I've just stumbled across this channel but from what I've seen so far I'll start at the beginning and stay until the end, excellent work on the history of this country through the prism of farming.
Paterson, like a lot of dairy farmers, did relatively well in the late thirties. This is because milk production was subsidised under the Milk Marketing Board. Dairy farming was the one bright spot in British Agriculture in the late thirties because it was the first, and at the time, the only sector where guaranteed prices were offered to farmers.
I returned to UK from an overland expedition to New Zealand where I trained and worked as a Government Dairy farm advisor with knowledge of the Turnstyle rotary milking parlour amongst other things. It was one of the first rotary systems to be introduced to UK. I lived on one of Rex Patterson's farms, Harewarren Farm, Whitchurch, Hampshire and later knew Geoffrey Patterson at Stockbridge who installed a rotary parlour. For Hosier Farming Systems with the help of a professional film crew, the old Pathe News team with Bob Danvers Walker, we made an historical film and mocked up the original bale system to compare to the new rotary parlour. The London professionals insisted for the film cows came in from left to right into the bale. They had been used to right to left and there was chaos and shit everywhere. It was entitled " Come into my Parlour", written on the parlour entrance door of the new rotary. Under the arc lights they couldn't get the cows within a country mile of the first stall. More shit. But since Hosiers has disappeared from the agricultural scene the film , a real gem, has been lost. Although I did try to contact one of the current Hosier farmers. The Rex Patterson farms were fascinating and relied on the free draining soils of the Hampshire downlands and the MMB.
Dad milked at two of Rex Patterson farms in West Wales during the sixties and I along my with my younger sister both born on the first one he worked on. Tipping buckracke, Taskers ferti spreader, paddock grazing, fertiliser & feed use along with man management, a short list of developments Patterson helped develop.
My father ran a milking bail on Salisbury Plain prior to WW2 only to have to leave when he got blood poisoning from an outbreak of contagious abortion in the herd, later when farming in his own right one of his first purchases was a front mounted hay sweep the precursor to the buckrake.
Hosier, a farmer from Wiltshire developed bails during the 1930's. He was well known in the industry and wrote extensively, including on his bail system. My father started his farming career in Wiltshire during WWII including milking in bails.
Another snippet from WW2, above the small town of Ramsbottom in East Lancashire stood two stone towers, one tower commemorated Robert Peel the founder of the UK’s police force and known as the Peelers the second tower on the opposite hill known as Grants tower commemorating the Grant brothers who basically founded Ramsbottom. During the war the authorities suspected that German bomber crews were using the towers to align their bombing run for Manchester. My two uncles who were ploughing for the WarAg were instructed to pull Grants toward down using Fordson N tractors, recently Grants Tower has been partially rebuilt.
Now that you're expanding your list of characters, will you be doing anything on Frank Newman Turner or Frank Fraser Darling? Or don't they fit in with the agenda?
Amazing. Narrow minded aristocrats. Just the kind of people you want in charge when you need flexible and sensible local government. We can blame the aristocracy in this. They lost all legitimacy and sense when they no longer made their fortunes or positions with risk to their own lives, whether overseas or in the military. Shame many of them still exist.
Men want to be under a leader....It IS Our human nature. The power struggles in the countryside comes down to Who Will the Yoeman show allegiance to....a Central State or an Aristocrat in his Castle on the top of the Hill? I for one would choose the later.
@@waeliscperhaps for a secularlized modern society. but ultimately God IS Our final arbiture. And Gods respresentative on earth IS the Church He founded. There IS a natural order to Society that modern man cannot come to understand
@@thelostcreole your first comment says the choice is between central state or aristocrat, but now you say God's representative is the church, so that's a 3rd option. You may also ignore intermediary, human authority and subordinate yourself directly to God, so that's a 4th. What's clear now is that your initial argument is a non sequitur, since you state men must be led, but the question is actually about who, from a choice of leaders, should you follow? The statement can't help answer the question.
@@waelisc medevial Hierarchy....peasants...Yoeman.... Aristocrat/Noble....King....Church. this IS "subsidiarity" with "rights and duties" . There are several layers of intermiaries and the idea was that an issue could be resolved at the lowest local level. The Church stood as a bulwark against tyranny for humanity. Once society took God ( the Church) out of the process.... The Reformation....society goes into chaos and falls into the hands of Enlightenment classic liberalism. Again....i would rather go to my local "Lord" with an issue than some anonymous beaurocrat. I am currently farming cacao in Ecuador. I was also a former real estate investor in the States and we had a saying " It IS better to control property than to own It". That was for tax reasons but the same philosophy was for the medieval Yoeman.
The system of government is not due to any preference or natural order but to how the successful militaries of the day are organised. When national armies beat feudal armies they also replaced the lord with the bureaucrat.
I've just stumbled across this channel but from what I've seen so far I'll start at the beginning and stay until the end, excellent work on the history of this country through the prism of farming.
Paterson, like a lot of dairy farmers, did relatively well in the late thirties. This is because milk production was subsidised under the Milk Marketing Board. Dairy farming was the one bright spot in British Agriculture in the late thirties because it was the first, and at the time, the only sector where guaranteed prices were offered to farmers.
This series is great. All the characters and the excitement. Thanks for putting it together.
I returned to UK from an overland expedition to New Zealand where I trained and worked as a Government Dairy farm advisor with knowledge of the Turnstyle rotary milking parlour amongst other things. It was one of the first rotary systems to be introduced to UK. I lived on one of Rex Patterson's farms, Harewarren Farm, Whitchurch, Hampshire and later knew Geoffrey Patterson at Stockbridge who installed a rotary parlour. For Hosier Farming Systems with the help of a professional film crew, the old Pathe News team with Bob Danvers Walker, we made an historical film and mocked up the original bale system to compare to the new rotary parlour. The London professionals insisted for the film cows came in from left to right into the bale. They had been used to right to left and there was chaos and shit everywhere.
It was entitled " Come into my Parlour", written on the parlour entrance door of the new rotary. Under the arc lights they couldn't get the cows within a country mile of the first stall. More shit.
But since Hosiers has disappeared from the agricultural scene the film , a real gem, has been lost. Although I did try to contact one of the current Hosier farmers.
The Rex Patterson farms were fascinating and relied on the free draining soils of the Hampshire downlands and the MMB.
Seems to me, that Walden was exactly the sort of farmer Lord Lymington-Hawhaw would have preferred- irony!
very informative, good job.
Thank-you!
I'm very glad that I have been led to your Channel.
Brilliant video it amazes me how lord Lymington got involved in so much yet was more or less an enemy of the state
Dad milked at two of Rex Patterson farms in West Wales during the sixties and I along my with my younger sister both born on the first one he worked on.
Tipping buckracke, Taskers ferti spreader, paddock grazing, fertiliser & feed use along with man management, a short list of developments Patterson helped develop.
We Irish use to be tennant farmers too until we drove the "Crown" out of our land. Now Irish farmers own their own land.
Are you sure? I'd imagine the Republic retains the land and just allows "lease holds" which farmers use with government monopoly.
My father ran a milking bail on Salisbury Plain prior to WW2 only to have to leave when he got blood poisoning from an outbreak of contagious abortion in the herd, later when farming in his own right one of his first purchases was a front mounted hay sweep the precursor to the buckrake.
Hosier, a farmer from Wiltshire developed bails during the 1930's. He was well known in the industry and wrote extensively, including on his bail system. My father started his farming career in Wiltshire during WWII including milking in bails.
We had buckrakes in the USA at least as far back as the 1880's to my knowledge.
Rex Patterson and arther hosier we’re big into bail milking cows outside hosiers book make some interesting reading on how he farmed during the war
Another snippet from WW2, above the small town of Ramsbottom in East Lancashire stood two stone towers, one tower commemorated Robert Peel the founder of the UK’s police force and known as the Peelers the second tower on the opposite hill known as Grants tower commemorating the Grant brothers who basically founded Ramsbottom. During the war the authorities suspected that German bomber crews were using the towers to align their bombing run for Manchester. My two uncles who were ploughing for the WarAg were instructed to pull Grants toward down using Fordson N tractors, recently Grants Tower has been partially rebuilt.
Based Lymington.
02:10 "He had been a Conservative M.P. ..." Now why doesn't THAT surprise me? 🤔😉
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Now that you're expanding your list of characters, will you be doing anything on Frank Newman Turner or Frank Fraser Darling? Or don't they fit in with the agenda?
When we cover foot and mouth I'll be sure to include them
Amazing. Narrow minded aristocrats. Just the kind of people you want in charge when you need flexible and sensible local government.
We can blame the aristocracy in this. They lost all legitimacy and sense when they no longer made their fortunes or positions with risk to their own lives, whether overseas or in the military.
Shame many of them still exist.
Milking
Men want to be under a leader....It IS Our human nature. The power struggles in the countryside comes down to Who Will the Yoeman show allegiance to....a Central State or an Aristocrat in his Castle on the top of the Hill? I for one would choose the later.
Who leads the leader? Your initial premise is flawed
@@waeliscperhaps for a secularlized modern society. but ultimately God IS Our final arbiture. And Gods respresentative on earth IS the Church He founded. There IS a natural order to Society that modern man cannot come to understand
@@thelostcreole your first comment says the choice is between central state or aristocrat, but now you say God's representative is the church, so that's a 3rd option. You may also ignore intermediary, human authority and subordinate yourself directly to God, so that's a 4th. What's clear now is that your initial argument is a non sequitur, since you state men must be led, but the question is actually about who, from a choice of leaders, should you follow? The statement can't help answer the question.
@@waelisc medevial Hierarchy....peasants...Yoeman.... Aristocrat/Noble....King....Church. this IS "subsidiarity" with "rights and duties" . There are several layers of intermiaries and the idea was that an issue could be resolved at the lowest local level. The Church stood as a bulwark against tyranny for humanity. Once society took God ( the Church) out of the process.... The Reformation....society goes into chaos and falls into the hands of Enlightenment classic liberalism. Again....i would rather go to my local "Lord" with an issue than some anonymous beaurocrat. I am currently farming cacao in Ecuador. I was also a former real estate investor in the States and we had a saying " It IS better to control property than to own It". That was for tax reasons but the same philosophy was for the medieval Yoeman.
The system of government is not due to any preference or natural order but to how the successful militaries of the day are organised.
When national armies beat feudal armies they also replaced the lord with the bureaucrat.