Wembanyama or Chet Holmgren: Who will win the NBA Rookie of the Year?! 🏆 | First Take
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2024
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe are joined by Kendrick Perkins to discuss whether Victor Wembanyama or Chet Holmgren will be the 2024 NBA Rookie of the Year winner.
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Throwback to when Stephen A said Scoot was going to win ROY 😂. WEMBY Hater from the start!
Foreign hater since he was born
why the scoot hate he a future all star
@@junebugloco6874like it or not scoot has been underperforming
It’s not hate. Chet literally has performed just as well while playing more games and being more efficient while shooting less shots. He’s also top 10 win shares. He’s made a team that was in the play-in and are a top 2 seed.
@@ANTBEZAI thought he was gone be a beast or top 3 how they over did him before the season started I didn’t see nun yet in the nba only against summer league games n preseason
I cannot respect the opinion of a "journalist" that constantly mispronounce a player's name. At this point, he's doing it on purpose.
I have been wondering some time now. I mean he is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed and has trouble speaking, but this is starting to get wild
Absolutely outrageous to do this. So full of himself refuses to admit he's wrong.
for real, how does a producer not saying something in his ear after the 15th time...
Oh we talk about Steven A :D:D oh yeah he is doing it out of frustration that Europeans took over the game, he is not that stupid@dailydoseofanimals4657
Relax guys he does it on purpose it’s literally one of the things they utilize in media for this exact reaction. The players don’t feel disrespected or anything like that so neither should you it’s only entertainment
Vic is a number one option seeing doubles and tripplle teams while bro getting 20 and 10 and his team wasent even passing em the ball
On a minutes restriction
It’s very impressive. In that same breath, it is much harder to put up comparable stats when you’re the 3rd option or 2nd some nights
He is not seing doubles and triple, teams... Nobody cares for Wembanyama and his offense. And had 70 dropped on his head.
@@nikolayjerev9285you a generational hater you d*ck eating in every comment relax
@@nikolayjerev9285 Most embiid's points weren't on wemby 🤦♂
Is this seriously a question??
It should be a unanimous VOTE for Wemby!!!
Facts
How when okc was a 10th seed last year they finished 40-42 without Chet with him they 2bd on the west
Not unanimous. It can't be unanimous when you have a worse record. When Steph got unanimous, he had a better record and history. Unanimous shouldn't happen unless you're so far and away better in virtually everything
Chillll, chet deserve some votes at least lmaooo. Media persuasion at its finest. Dont hate on one and love the other like the Lebron/KD, plz acc analyze and watch both of them b4 deciding who better. Currently it is Wemby, but Chet ain't far behind.
@@bigdripbobz1072 no player with a losing record should have a unanimous award. Logically, that just doesn't make sense
This shouldn’t even be a conversation… I won’t elaborate
i feel the same not a debate
Faxx👽
That’s because you can’t bozo. Chet is efficient while wembrickyama isn’t
@@BestShootermanUbzyou're a funny dude
@@BestShootermanUbzmy man Wemby gets all star coverage all night with double and triple teams. He still has the most points, rebs, blocks, and steals of any rookie rn. Chet Holmgren is arguably the third option and has an MVP candidate in his team. That boy got all the leverage and no pressure
The disrespect Wemby gets from the US sports media is astonishing. If this guy was American-born, ESPN would give him his own channel. Stephen A., for the thousandth time, it's W-E-M-B-A-N-Y-A-M-A!!!!
Foreigners always sensitive af 😂
thanks...
Literally every major sports network glazed Wemby so much so that the Spurs get national tv games because of him. Don’t make it seem like the small minority who downplay him such as Stephen A represents the majority of
Wemby been a pro this whole time from overseas…
@nothingspecial8114 sadly, the global audience doesn't have such easy access to other sports networks. ESPN and TNT are the only major networks that reach international fans and are therefore representative of the US sports media. An increase in Spurs games on network TV isn't fueled by an acknowledgment of his skills or potential. It's just greed because they know the international viewership is a fast-growing cash cow.
Victor will be the ROY. He's been getting better and better. Leads the league in blocks and is averaging 20 pts and 10 rebounds!
I am a spurs fan and i am ashamed at the team, vic is the only guy who gets 20 each game. These other guys might get 25 one game then get 3 points the next…
@@akui88what did you expect? Did you think wemby alone was gonna turn the team around? This year was all about ROTY and that’s it
This year was Pops and execs looking at what Wemby can do, experimenting and seeing what type of players they need to surround him with for future success. They've been close in a lot of games, just loser teammates sabotaging all the excellent work Wemby's putting in. Watch them win 30+ next year after Wemby gets some more talent surrounding him (if he doesn't get injured).
Victor is something special I mean having more blocks this month then 6 other teams is crazy
Victor Wembanyama -38
Bulls - 36
Kings - 36
Clippers - 36
Knicks - 35
Blazers - 30
Heat - 23
11 wins....
@@nikolayjerev9285his team is historically bad……
@@nikolayjerev9285 So. KD rookie year he won 20 games total... And won the ROY award.
@@swaggyardiganthe spurs are not historically bad they’re just in a rebuild lets not forget 18 straight seasons with 50+wins and 5 championships in that period. We’re young and building a dynasty so we can repeat that and the spurs will be very competitive in the next 3 years
@swaggyardigan and Wemby makes them bad, they are worse then last year.
When’s winning ever mattered for rookie of the year Stephen a hates any player that isn’t American
They did Ben simmons dirty in this segment
Lebron, mj, shaq, etc
He is planting a seed like Kendrick Perkins did with jokic last season.
Wemby is the rookie of the year by a long shot.
@@bigboner23what this means?
Are you dumb? He clearly stated he knows it has never mattered. He was simply trying to make an argument so the segment is more interesting, rather than everyone simply agreeing. You do realize they often either say things they don't mean or exaggerate it to make it entertaining, right? This isn't anything new, at all. lol
In any normal year, Chet would probably win it, But Wemby is an actual alien bro. It's his first year and I'm already scared when my team faces him.
Chet is a bit soft imho
aint no one scared of the spurs yet
@@lookypeterrread his comment, he said when his team faces HIM(wemby) not the spurs
Whose your team?
@@LonestarpxpiWhy be scared? Wemby is having all these great games and his team is still worse this year with him than without him last year.
It’s nice to see 2 young centers that play like guards but still have elite skill in the post on defense . Changing the game for the future
Not really. Not everyone is as tall as them. They are just anomalies
Wemby.
The real question is "How is this a debate"?
I guess they need it for content
Award for worst place is crazy, he CN have 700 blocks a game, but he is still loosing...
@@nikolayjerev9285 the spurs are losing, he isn't. the thunder had a pick from a trade, thus they got Chet (who's really in his second season) on a good team with another allstars and crucial role players. you're not a ball-knower.
@@nikolayjerev9285bron won it over Carmelo Anthony with a better record and there stats were closer than Chet’s are to wembys
@@nikolayjerev9285now compare both rosters, ydkb.
@@nikolayjerev9285 it's a rookie of the year award. you literally have to be a bad team to get the pick in the first place, so how can you factor wins into it at all???
Perk made a good point. There are benefits of Chet starting his rookie season in his second year. Not only he have access of all the scouting reports of other teams and accessibility of the NBA training program, he came into the team in which his teammates have already had one extra year of development under their belts. What would Chet look like if he was healthy and played last year next to the rookie Jaylen Williams and the not-MVP SGA?
So? The rules allow it. He counts for the award. Why are people holding it against him?
@@boochtron We don't blame him but he allowed him to adapt better unlike Wemby who had to learn everything and despite that he remains better than Chet
@@Andy-lo4oj I don't know if he's better than Chet this season. It's debatable.
@@boochtron Wemby is better than Chet in everything except shooting 3s. This is not my opinion. It's statistical facts.
@@natekong3596 How's that record for Wemby?
Chet isn't a full rookie imo. Also, keep in mind that Wemby got injured and played with minute restriction, still is able to put out better numbers than Chet. They're trying to make it more interesting by putting Chet in the conversation but its a done deal for Wemby.
He is a rookie.
He never played a game in the NBA before this year. That makes him a rookie. Weird right.
@@larrylindgren9484summer league..
@@larrylindgren9484was drafted and signed an nba contract in 2022
@@larrylindgren9484spent an entire season training and being coached in the NBA while Wemby was playing in the french league.
It says a lot that there is a player that can be in consideration with the most hyped prospect ever. Just shows how much talent we have to look forward to in the next decade.
It’s easily Wemby. Imagine if Wemby had SGA. He would average 21-22 on better than 50%
Chet was training with nba level trainers so no he shouldn’t be in the race at all
Ngl if wemby had Chet’s team they might even be better
@@nathanosaka3977wemby would be number 1 option not 3rd or 4th Plus you're right theyd be in championship conversation
@@TAPATIOPLEASEno he wouldn’t Wemby is outstanding but he will not be the number one option on the Thunder
@@pb7even yes he would sga isn't better 🤣
@@nathanosaka3977you guys think everything will be as seamless as a switch as that? Not everyone especially with the hype Wemby has can just be mature enough to take a backseat to other players. SGA is the main man but him, Chet and J Dub all play unselfish basketball which is rare for young players.
Def wemby bro been on minute restriction and putting up crazy numbers.
he has a way higher usage rate than chet, so this argument is useless
@@swish1457No one cares about usage rate in these discussions. And the minutes restriction already offsets that
Actually, Chet is also playing same minutes but he has low usage rate than Wemby. That said, block and rebound numbers are higher for Wemby
@@swarajthapa5798 he plays nearly 2 minutes more and wemby is like on a 5-7 minute less minute restriction. If he played starter minutes like 33 he would average way higher numbers. And if wemby played with shai they would be a top 3 favorite to win the chip.
@@swish1457 Chet also plays with an MVP candidate. Wemby is all alone trying to will his team to the win
As a Thunder Fan its wemby
The fact that there’s even a debate at this point is laughable
The real question is if we put Victor Wembenyama in the situation of Chet Holmgren what is Victor doing in his second season gaining all the NBA knowledge. If he is this good in his rookie season without any NBA knowledge and all he keeps saying is he wants to learn more and more and any chance he gets he’s attempting to learn more and every game he is getting better and better, how would he be in Chet Holmgren‘s situation. Having a full year to sit out and gain NBA knowledge then come out the next year with a MVP caliber point guard. He’s averaging almost a triple double I guarantee it. You build chemistry you build NBA knowledge and then you have an entire off-season to practice with your guys. Let’s stop acting like Chet Holmgren is as good as victor. Holmgren is an incredible player and he will be an amazing player he stays healthy, he’s just not Victor
They’re about even in all honesty. Say all that about victor you want, fact is he doesn’t impact winning, obviously. Now, I will say that if you switch the two, the thunder are probably still just as good and the spurs are probably just as bad. Both good players with high ceilings, but vic is not just head n shoulders better than Chet. If he was, the spurs would have more than 11 wins and one of the worst records in the league.
@@Wop06other than efficiency please tell me 1 thing that Chet than Victor at?
@@XIIGRIM I think he’s a more talented, natural shooter. Other than that nothing, but that was never my point. I never said that Chet was better than wemby, I said that there isn’t much of a gap between the two, tomato/tomato.
No, they are not equal at all. You are in denial brother. Wemby is light years from Chet
@@Wop06 I respect your point but you just atmitted that other than shooting efficiency Wemby is better than Chet on all other levels. If Wemby had a point guard like Shai what do you think he’ll be doing? Wemby is breaking NBA records in a minute restriction. He’s already one of the very best defenders in the league, he guards and attacks the best players in the league and they guard him too, he’s always double and triple teamed, he went toe to toe against Chet when they played although he lost, Chet was chasing mismatches while Wemby was actively going at him averaging 20.7ppg, 10r 3.3 b while your teammates don’t really make good plays for you as a 20 year old rookie is unheard of and he is only playing 28 minutes. I think Chet has a high ceiling but there’s no way you can look at both players and go tomato/tomato. Wemby is 1of1
Wemby is the primary option and double teamed nightly while also having his own team work against him.
Chet is looking very privileged on his team
😂
Sucks Spurs are incompetent and building a team. Wemby gonna leave like Lebron cause he can’t win 😂
@@808bboarderthe spurs haven't started building their team yet. This is the team they actively constructed to be as bad as possible to get Wemby. And they still want to be bad to get the best draft picks for probably another year
this is literally NOT a debate lmfao
5:50 The media: "They don't like each other....they hate each other!" Meanwhile Wemby seeing Chet in the hall wall smile, and introduce Chet to his mom.
The same media BS that want us to think Bill and Wilt hated each other, while in reality they're friends who likes to have dinner together after a game.
Be here when Chet gets ROTY. You all guys who supports Victor dumb. You don't know anything about not only basketball but life.
not a debate Vic easily
Wemby and I don't think it's that close. It was close and Chet was even leading the charge for a little while before new year's, but then Wemby took off.
They did Ben simmons dirty in this segment
Yes and Spurs are now with 11 wins 😂😂😂. It is absolutely crazy to give aawrd for last place.
@@nikolayjerev9285It's an individual award for the best rookie which is Wemby so you can get under everybody's comment & repeat the same thing about the Spurs record but Wemby is gonna win it so you can cry in your pillow about it as loud as you want nobody will hear you 💀
@meezysquad ofc I will comment
. Coz if he wins it will be pathetic. 🗑️
@@nikolayjerev9285Yeah I'm sure you will & it won't change anything but have fun with that
Wemby being ROY takes NOTHING away from how well Chet is playing.
It does. It puts him in the back burner for the king of rookies
@itter2727No it's AS clear Chet is the second best rookie as it is Victor being the FIRST
@itter2727"Real Spitter" huh.
I take top flight. I'm an eagle.
Black people don't like me
because I'm not suppose to be
liking white people.
But now that the cat is out of the bag
and way more important;
Bird didn't have to fly
to be a better
player than air Jordan.
This is the difference between
brother and kin;
If I'm not this body
I most certainly cannot be
the color of this skin.
The Sochan disrespect has to stop. Kid is also 20 having to defend the best player on every team pretty much. Sochan will be a star in 2 years
😂😂😂
💀 troll comment
just say YDKB and keep it moving@@Slayer1106411
- Doesnt know ball@@meezysquad
I watch every game hes the worst defender ever even trae young would do better job
Wemby came from France with all the pressure and he delivered
I agree with Unc. You’re not a rookie anymore if you get to spend a year around the NBA game even if you’re not playing
That could not be helped when you're injured in a pro-am game for your rookie season and not even sniff a preseason game.
Bruh this shouldn’t even be a debate🤦🏿♂️
If Chet was doing this last year he would have won rookie of the year no doubt... This year it's Wemby
Facts
No he wouldn't have did you forget Paolo Banchero exists? The guy who was the actual #1 pick over Chet & is so good he made the all-star team in his sophomore year? That guy? Stop it 😂
@@meezysquadwho?
If if if 😅 he’s not ROY
nah Chet should won roty plus Wemby wasn't around last season
Chet had the perks of being around OKC even though he didn't play. He was watching film and learning what its like in the league.
Wemby should win because this is Chet’s 2nd season with OKC.
He didn't play last year. It's happened to a lot of players that got injured before their rookie year
He never played an NBA game, he got injured in that summer game with LeBron. He's by the rules still a rookie. Don't be salty.
Players should not be rewarded for getting injured. Imagine the uproar and tears if Embiid wins MVP this year.
He didn't play
Chet ain't a rookie!
San Antonio may not be all that entertaining to watch as a team right now, but as soon as the Spurs put the right pieces around Wembanyama, we're going to start to see his full arsenal.
We're already seeing it now. The only question is whether he'll recognize that he should retire some of his arsenal (taking and missing outside shots) in favor of playing more to his strength (inside shots and dunks).
@@richatlarge462 🤡
That Wembanyama vs Chet rivalry is gonna be something insane to see as they both get older and better
Sochan catching strays is hilarious and deserving😂😂😂
Man, I like Sochan in the right role too.... :(
Sochan just does too much
Sochan isn't even one of the millions of problems on this team. Nobody can name a single player on the spurs besides Wemby and Sochan so of course Sochan becomes the scapegoat while Sochan is one of the Spurs best players defensively. Malaki Branham and Zach Collins cost the spurs to lose games all the time and are way worse than Sochan and it's not even close.
@@Austin2SexyI can name every spurs player since 1994. I absolutely love my spurs. Sochan as a player is a decent player in a vacuum. As a spurs fan I can’t stand him and it isn’t entirely his fault, the move to try to make him a point guard made him unwatchable for me. I knew the spurs were gonna lose a lot this year and I was okay with that. What I’m not okay with is players completely hindering our new franchise player
At this point it ain't even no debate anymore.
He’s also playing with an all star starter where Wemby is playing with dudes who should be in their fourth year of college. It’s Wemby and that’s it. Holmgren is really good. But nothing wrong with coming in second if you get to be in the playoffs. He doesn’t have to carry the Thunder
The actual rookie should win the award the kid who has never been through a nba season or had nba coaches to help him out all year and off season
2:18 “good wind come along… ain’t no tellin where he goin end up” 💀
Wemby is averaging 20/10 and leading blocks in a season where he only plays 28min. His per 48min stats must be miles ahead of other rookies
The way this question should always be framed for ROTY is, "If there was another NBA draft today, who would be the first pick?" No GM in the NBA would ever pick Chet over Wemby. Not now, not 10 years from now. Wemby is like if you were making an NBA2k MyPlayer that was overpowered.
Her face at the end of that was so funny
Chet has also been in the league a whole year. Yes, he was injured, but he was around the team, he was practicing with the team longer, he got to acclimate before Wemby even got to the league. He's a quasi-rookie. He's a redshirt freshman.
No offense but why is “ who is gonna be ROTY “ still a question? Its pretty clear cut already who is ROTY.
It was close when Wemby was shooting like Scoot Henderson from the field early on, but now its Wemby by a mile. Chet is the better more efficient scorer, but Wemby does everything else better, hes a better rebounder, better defender, better playmaker.
Wembanyama doing that playing less minutes than chet
I respect and cheer for both players, YET there are very valid points being mentionned that should be considered:
1 - If we go for the cheer INDIVIDUAL numbers, then Victor takes it, man he is LEADING THE NBA in Blocks as a Rookie ... is that even a debate?
2 - If we go from the Rookie or not standpoint, even if he didn't play, Holmgrem has had NBA level training, coaches, and insights even by just sitting on the bench and this has a lot of value, Wembanyama didn"t and you could see it by jut watching first half and second half of the season, numbers ain't the same.
3 - If we go for the 'TEAM THEY IN' perspective, debate is quite large, some might argue Victor shines because he is the only real threat in the spurs while others would argue Chet is fulfilling a role thus sacrificing some numbers of his own. From my point of view Victor takes it simply because opposite teams are on him and would double if not triple defense on him because of what and who he is, this doesn't happen with Chet who's got greater teamates standing by his side.
4 - Let us subjectively measure the progression margin on both these players, let's face it, both improved quite a lot throughout this season and yet, once again, Victor is quite definitely the one you can see the biggest improvement on ... his game and numbers speak for themselves.
So in conclusion, whether you like it or not, deny it or not, Both are unicorns and both are deserving of the award, yet Id give it to Victor hands down, man has been a wrecking ball all over the league, hes given you so many unbelievable highlights and already shown hes stading his ground against the very finest (Giannis, Davis, etc), that is in itself the very definition of a ROTY ain't it?
This cant be a serious debate...
I mean it was close in the beginning, but then the Spurs and Pop changed the scheme after the new year, and Wemby has separated himself since
If the Spurs had a better record or if Wemby was on OKC, he'd also be in the conversation for DPOY.
It’s crazy that this comment section acting like it isn’t a debate. Like how many spurs and thunder games have y’all really watched
Not even a debate 💯
As much as I’ve been raving since preseason to win the rookie award!!! Victor has proven to be the runaway favorite with his fanbase along with his performance!!!
I think Wemby gone take a huge step next year he’s already getting comfortable imagine how u feel after not even winning 20 games out of an 82 game season he got that drive
Weather he a rookie or not it’s clearly Victor. He’s so good no one cares his team only has 10 wins
I do care.
@@nikolayjerev9285never mattered for roty
@@nikolayjerev9285 never matterd for rookie of the year u been hating in every comment like a clown seek help
This is not a debate
Shannon preach it! 🙌🏼
still debating chet vs wemby ROTY in 2024 is so crazy
Chet is great and is playing on a contender team. That said, I would vote Wemby. I have been very impressed with his game. He will be dominant in years to come.
“If he’s anywhere in the area he’s going to block it”😂
crazy to think chets a rookie
He's not😂
Stop trollin bro 😂
Chet a 1 year vet.
chet is really a sophmore he has been around NBA trainers, vets and equipement
He's 21. He just looks like Abe Lincoln
@@thund3r682And Wenby is no amateur. He played in professional leagues and had a whole team of trainers prepping for the NBA.
My respect increased for Stephen A. Good thoughts and dialogue.
Shannon wrapped that up just right. Overall, a pretty good discussion. People see Wemby as the Spurs only guy and Chet in a supporting role. But Chet is over 31 minutes a game and Wemby is around 28. Wemby's stat line is even more impressive when you realize he is not getting full minutes. The Spurs are developing Wemby and he is developing fast as the season continues.
Put it this way.
If Victor WembanyaMA was never born, a lot of these rookies wud have been talked about more including chet.
How is this still a question?
Chet Holmgren just made NBA history. "The most recent proof of the Oklahoma City Thunder big man’s dominant ability on both ends of the floor came in the form of some unique NBA history. Holmgren became the first player to total 150 blocks, 150 assists and 100 three-pointers in a single season, as Daily Thunder’s Brandon Rahbar detailed."
As seen above, this came just days after San Antonio Spurs rookie Victor Wembanyama hit the mark of 75 three-pointers in a season and currently sits with 81 on the year. Holmgren and Wembanyama remain in an interesting battle for the NBA’s Rookie of the Year award, and it’s a race that’s expected to come down to the wire.
Holmgren is averaging 17.1 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 2.6 blocks per game while Wembanyama is averaging 20.7 points, 10.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 3.3 blocks per game.
Sports Illustrated
I can already see a lot people saying "Chet got robbed" in May. lol
Keep that same energy the NBA had for cade Cunningham he was leading all rooks in scoring and assists and the roty still went to Scottie Barnes because he was on a winning team
OKC fans are happy going to the playoffs and Spurs fans are happy Wemby got ROTY. We all happy👏🏼
You just answered your own question , It's an individual awarded on how that individual is playing , not the team.
The best arguments you can make for chet is that OKC has the same roster from last year with the only difference being chet. You can credit OKC being a top 3 seed with chet being on the court.
Or maybe the guy having an MVP season
Shannon: We just talking cause we supposed to😂
Big Perk! U ok, u iight? 😂
OKC has a top 3 MVP candidate on their squad. Wemby is playing with G-league guys, the 2 are not the same.
Shai is only an MVP candidate bc Chet joined 😂
@@dannylin2786Shai was all nba first team last year stop acting like you know a lick about basketball 😂😂
@@dannylin2786bro you sound desperate
@@F1derful. Spurs got worst with Wembt tho, it's true
@@dannylin2786 not his fault though when he was on minutes restriction the whole season and pop was experimenting with rotations by have either no point guards or letting PF Jeremy sochan play point. Keldon Johnson’s drop in production compared to last season doesn’t help either. On top of that the west has been stronger this season so it’s a combo of factors. Wemby a ninety year old rookie alone can’t fix the team overnight
Early on it was Chet, but Its clearly Wemby now. Wemby is gonna get DPOY votes, his shooting has been improved too. Chet given more shots may be able to put up more ppg but you cant vote on what might have been.
Huge difference when you have SGA on your team. That is why he started with its an individual award.
So y was okc a play in team last year without Chet n top 2 with him? Chet more important than that ppl think
SGA is up for MVP discussions, case closed. Chet is playing with one of the best in the league right now.
You also forget okc has so much talent. Jalen Williams is a future all star and the rest of the cast is all unselfish and pass the ball.
@@wpdmir2155 Chet is very important no one is denying it but you guys that glaze Chet just blatantly forget that okc was a young team that made the play in and where improving much faster later in the season last year Chet is the perfect piece at the right place at the right time
Victor will be the ROY. Leads the league in blocks and is averaging 20pts and 10 rebounds. Chet has played well, but he's playing with an MVP candidate in SGA who gets him looks. Jalen is great for OKC as well. Victor is playing by himself.
I agree with Shannon I don’t like second year players who have a whole offseason with their team win rookie of the year
Difficulty: Impossible:
Argue Chet is better than Wemby without bringing up team record
Chet 40% from 3 as a second or third option on a winning team. Wemby as teh first option of a bottom feeder but with crazy stats across the board. Tough decision. Wemby has more opportunity than Chet who's playing with an MVP and still able to shine. But Wemby has had many crazy games. a 5x5 as a rookie? I'd have to say Wemby.
Two 5x5 in a row
Tough decision 😂
Wemby is the winner no doubt, he could even win DPOY. Also agree with Shannon we gotta stop letting 2nd year players be up for ROY, they were around the team for a whole year soaking in the knowledge.
Chet is not a rookie, he is efficient because he got SGA and jdub drawing out the defense while Wemby being the primary focus of defense still produce those insane stats.
Team success doesn't and shouldn't matter in ROTY race
Thank you, Stephane B, for your comments on Victor 🎉
Imagine Wemby on okc Steven A… he’ll be dominating and winning
if youre a rookie and you lead the NBA in any stat, then you have a strong case for ROY. Vic will get it
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Ranking each of the new Clippers logos -
1. Global: 8.5/10
Must have the entire name Los Angeles Clippers on it as the N represents North. Love the red outline for the 80-10s Clippers colors with the baby blue outline around the C(ompass/ship) to represent our San Diego colors. This is our best logo since our San Diego one which showed three triangles as sails and with a sun behind it that can also represent a basketball.
2. Secondary A: 8/10
Prior to this newly scripted “LA” font in cursive, I was not a fan of the LA we had with the A on top of the L. It tried to look too much like the Dodgers but looked uglier. But this new LA font is distinctive enough thanks to being cursive from the iconic Dodgers’ LA one. Gillian Zucker is excited for this one. I will definitely be buying a hat for this new LA font. Think of the Yankees’ NY. There is a distinct way it’s written to know it’s a Yankees hat.
3. Primary: 7.5/10
This looks like the global one but without Los Angeles Clippers written for it. I figure this is the one networks and Yahoo Sports will use because the LAC inside a ball is being used more and that’s also our primary one. I prefer if the networks and ESPN webpage use the global one.
4. Secondary B: 7.5/10
This is the one with Clippers scripted in cursive. A throwback to the 1984-2015 one written on our jerseys prior to our NBA Live 2006 logo and all the LAC stuff. I actually think this one is better with the more straight lines. As Gillian Zucker said, the previous one we used for 31 years did look more cartoony and not for us to be taken seriously which was the case when we were owned by Donald Duck Sterling.
5. Secondary C: 7/10
It just says Clips in cursive. I prefer seeing it as Clippers. I know it’s a stupid name and some wanted a name change but I find it enjoyable saying Clippers more than Lakers. For the perverts out there, it’s like saying nipples. 🫢 With Clips, it rhymes with nips and I think of paper clips 🖇️ that Jason McIntyre enjoys calling us. But I guess Steve Ballmer likes calling us Clips for short. Our new Clips jersey this season looks too much like the Wizards jerseys from 20 years ago that MJ wore.
6. Partial: 6/10
This one will likely be seldom used. It’s the C but without the ship inside. It does look like a silhouette of a basketball but I don’t see this one being used for merch very much. I predict networks like ESPN using the global logo for us. This one will likely get scrapped after a season similar to the red LAC jerseys. Even our global logo with the NBA Live 2006 script was scrapped in favor for the LAC inside the basketball. You rarely see the original one from 2015 on networks or on merch.
Best Clippers Logos Ever
1. 2024-????
2. 1978-1982
3. 2015-2024
4. 1982-1984/LA: 1984-2015
That first San Diego Clippers logo has really held up after 46 years. I don’t know why they changed it by 1982 to the one that would be used for the next 33 years with the difference saying Los Angeles above Clippers instead of San Diego by the time the team moved to LA in 1984.
The only thing I don’t like from the San Diego one were their colors. I’m not the biggest fan of baby blue mixed with a darker orange. I prefer the red, white, and blue scheme by the 1982-2015 ones. Then I liked the 2015-2024 ones when it added more black with their previous colors.
This new one is already the new GOAT for Clipper logos. I do prefer more of the navy blue these days. I own a lot of red shirts and hoodies. I own the Jordan 13 Bred. But one thing I’m learning is blue especially navy hides dirt and flaws better. And why not NAVY blue? A tribute to a fleet of clipper ships.
Ranking the new jerseys
1. Navy blue with Clippers: 8/10
I would’ve preferred if Clippers was in black along with the number. Not Clippers in red and the number in white. I try to avoid most things in white as they get dirty too easily like owning a white car or white sneakers. But I think this is the best of the three to represent the new logo and new rebranding in our new arena. This is the one I’ll get for Kawhi’s jersey.
2. White with Clippers: 7.5/10
This basically looks like the home white jerseys we had for about 30 years. Check Danny Manning wearing a white home Clippers jersey circa 1992-1993. The only difference is the Clippers is in navy blue this time instead of red and the strip on the sides kept evolving since the 00s. I actually think this one does look better because I prefer how Clippers is written. I prefer the straighter lines over the cartoony one. This is the one that will likely be used when we retire Kawhi’s number.
3. Red with Los Angeles: 6/10
Like the red LAC jersey from 9 years ago, I believe this one will hardly be used and be scrapped after a season like our new partial logo with just a C on it. Clippers already removed their blue in place of baby and navy blues. I believe they’ll start distancing themselves from red and will gravitate towards more to navy blue. Hence, why their City Edition Clips jerseys was used as a test drive to embrace more of that navy blue and the word: Clips.
Clippers finally put a logo out with some thought into it. Minimalistic. Tribute to our past. Great job, Clips. But even a new logo and new unis won’t change our future if we never win a championship. Job isn’t finished. Is job finished? We’re now 4th and have lost 4 of our last 7 games. We haven’t played great since winning in Boston.
I’m not sure we have the size to stop Denver, Minny, NOLA, and Lakers if we meet up in the playoffs and if we can’t even handle scrawny af Chet Holmgren. Ty Lue will keep using smaller players and making us shoot tons of threes. Then when we miss, we’ll get murdered in the paint. We can’t rebound or defend the rim.
I sense a First Round upset is coming for us. If we meet Sacramento or Dallas early, I’m not sure we can beat them either. Clippers are just an annual regular season tease like my San Francisco 49ers. But at least my Niners are making Super Bowls even though we’re losing in them. Clippers have never made a Finals yet.
New logo but same old Clippers. Same old heartbreaks and bad luck. A new rebranding isn’t changing any of that.
Just give it to both of them. They are both amazing
"Sochan is terrible" in my guy from boondocks voice 😂😂😂
They both generational players. In the long run, Wemby has more upside and more highlights. But right now, Chet is the ROY for me. People get it twisted, no one is rewarding Chet for being on a winning team. In fact, he is gets fewer touches because of it. He is the ROY because he has a bigger impact on winning after controlling for who else is on the court, by every advanced stats. Both in defense and in offense. Consider this. The Thunder roster is identical as last year except for...adding Chet. SGA was performing at a similar level last year. The difference is Chet and some maturation by Jalen W.
The fact Stephen a sat up there and had the audacity to stay that when wemby and Chet faces off it was basically a back and forth or that it was close is crazy wemby absolutely bullied Chet the last time they faced off it wasn’t even close
This doesn't need to be discussed, we all know Wemby will win it, Chet isn't even close
Steven come ON BRO it’s YAMA!!!!
Needs to be a rule that second year players can’t compete for ROY if they are injured in first year. Doesn’t make sense.
Chet is not a rookie guys stop this nonsense. He had a full year on wemby to get acclimated to the NBA system, NBA training, NBA daily life. Vic is a true rookie doing things we've never seen people do not just rookie's but ANYONE. It's not close.
Literally the ONLY thing running for Chet is his efficiency which is truly remarkable. But that’s because he has other threats on his team including a potential MVP so of course he’d be more open. Wemby IS the Spurs. The fact that Wemby is doing all of that on the spurs, playing less than 30 mins a game and leading the league in blocks and all rookies on almost every statistical category. Stephen A. The award is called Rookie of the Year not Rookie on the best team of the year.
If you play this at .75 speed Molly is literally talking at her normal pace 😂