Introduction to the Adaptive Limiter
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2017
- The Adaptive Limiter is a professional look-ahead brickwall peak limiter that is designed for both mixing and mastering and is included in the Engineering Suite of SONAR Professional & SONAR Platinum. It features 4 different limiting “Character” types, Configurable Lookahead, Inter-sample Peak Detection, L.U.F.S. Loudness & K-Metering, as well MP3 codec preview, and real-time dithering. All these different features make it a great track limiter and perfect for mastering.
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Music: "Living For Now" by Sophia Jane / sophiajanemusic
The sound is all about the plugin. The video is all about the presenter. Thanks Scott. Another well done explanation in the manner I can understand. Nice speaking pace, voice tonality and clear understanding of the product.
Thanks for the comment! Really glad you enjoyed the video. Anything you want to see covered next?
How about a longer version of the 2017.07 updates. I find the updates come faster than I have time to study the literature.
Thanks a lot for the kind words, Nathan!
This thing is nothing short of "Spectacular!!!!!!!!"
Great job Cakewalk
I am one satisfied customer.
Sonar for Life!!!
I have never had so much excitement over a "Limiter"
But this so impressive, I am remastering all my old mixes because the Adaptive Limiter simply makes them.... better
Really glad you are enjoying it! We had a great time making it :)
Nice video man. Thanks for the demo. It is nice to have people like you showing how to use all of these wonderful plugins.
Thought I knew that voice from somewhere! LOL awesome video!
A great limiter. Love it.
Thank you for this! Great video. I would love to see more, in depth, real world use videos of Sonar Platinum and it's associated plugins. Why not bring a band in and record a song with step-by-step video of everything you do in Sonar? I think this would benefit many users. Keep up the great work Cakewalk!!
Thanks for the feedback!
Good, helpful video. I especially appreciate the nod to the artist for using her work--and for using something with nice dynamics in it in the first place. ;-)
Since you asked for what we'd "like", here's my list (in no particular order): A few tips on when to use each "Character" type (maybe based upon which type of music); Some tips on the MP3 codec preview; Some general tips on the real-time dithering options; And the computer used in the demo.
Oh, and maybe some tips on using it in "Mixing" instead of "Mastering" mode. But if I can only have one of these "wants", I'll take the computer.
Thanks again!
Thanks for the comment and the questions! The Character types can be used in many ways but here are a few suggestions. Adaptive with a low/medium lookahead, is great for mastering a song where you want the limiter to sound transparent. Adaptive with the Minimal lookahead and the soft knee is a smooth setting for mixing vocals that jump out a little too much at times. Aggressive is good on electric bass or guitars that need limiting and I've found it to work well on snares to sound like a clipping stage for rock music. Dynamic with a low/medium lookahead, is perfect for mastering when you want the transients to pop out. It can be used on drum overheads as well with a minimum lookahead & auto release while mixing to make the snare have a nice slap and come out of the overheads a little. The Pumping character is similar to Aggressive in that is adds a bit of color by bringing out subtle parts of the recorded audio. Use it on drum rooms while mixing to get more of the room vibe as well as a vocal double to make it sound more upfront. The Pumping character type can also be fun on some masters that sound a little to clean and need some energy added. I hope some of these suggestions help. I image once you get to using them, you'll find your own unique ways.
The MP3 Codec Preview is designed for listening back during the end of the mix or in the mastering stage. The exported MP3 will sound slightly different than your mix/master does because of the way the audio is compressed to reduce the file size. We call this a lossy format where the uncompressed wave file is a lossless format. Because the MP3 format does this it's a good idea to listen to what your MP3 is going to sound like after bouncing. With the Adaptive Limiter, you no longer need to "bounce" back and fourth :) from outside of SONAR listen to the MP3 and back into the project just to make a tweak the highs of the vocal or the snare.
Here is a bit about dither...
POWr #1 (Dithering): A special dithering curve is used to minimize quantization noise. (Think of this as a basic mode where you may loose some dynamics when converting from 24bit to 16bit. There is no noise shaping added to this so it will not affect any of the frequencies in the recording. Clean sound but less dynamics)
POWr #2 (Noise Shaping): Additional noise shaping is used over a wide frequency range, which can extend the dynamic range of the bounce file by 5-10 dB. (This is similar to #1 but has a thing called "noise shaping" added to help maintain the dynamic range when converting from 24bit to 16bit. Better dynamic range maintained from 24bit to 16bit conversion but the noise shaping may color the sound of the recording slightly)
POWr #3 (Noise Shaping): Additional, optimized noise shaping is used, which can extend the dynamic range by 20 dB within the 2-4 kHz range (the range in which human hearing is most sensitive). This is similar to #2 except the noise shaping is optimized so that it is less noticeably coloring the sound in the range of hearing humans are most sensitive to. Also has good dynamic range and the sound is treated in a way that is hopefully less noticeable but not evenly across the spectrum.)
What is Noise Shaping? Noise Shaping minimizes the side effects caused by bit reduction (downsampling), by moving the quantization noise spectrum to the frequency range above 10 kHz (the least sensitive part of the range of human hearing). This process is known as spectral displacement. (While this may sound confusing and it is a bit :) in general Noise Shaping is good! It helps preserve the quality of the audio when it is converted from higher bit depths to lower ones while also maintaining the audios dynamic range.)
Usually we recommend POWr #2 or #3 for mastering scenarios. These will almost sound exactly the same with the #3 option usually sounding "slightly more open" in the upper mid range. Depending on the material you may want to pick 1 or the other.
Computer used in the demo: Ryzen 7 1700x CPU with 16GB of Kingston 1666 Razer Black RAM
Very helpful tips on Adaptive Limiter and everything else. Thanks again!
Seems like a strong competitor for the Ozone's Maximizer, seems very nice! Feedback note: try to silence out the Mic input when you are only playing the music so you can avoid the interference of the static sound on the microphone.Cheers!
Hey there - not quite sure what you mean. I record the voice over separately in a quiet room. If you mean the static sound at the 4:10 mark where I cranked the threshold of the limiter, that is just due to the noise coming from the room microphones themselves in the source material. =)
Awesome. Great tool. Thanks for the excellent demo!
Glad you found it useful, this one took a few tries to get it quite right! Haha
I never think of all the work that goes into making demo videos.
Great! I didn't even know this was in my tool kit. I will give it a good go in the months ahead.
Thanks for checking out the video! We hope you enjoy using the Adaptive Limiter on your up coming productions.
Why these kinds of plugins are missing in cakewalk now. These are great plugins. So sad.
gotta try out this one. Great.
Heck yeah, it is an amazing plugin!
This is especially great if you have a track with speech, if you first have the LP64 multiband to have a saturated voice sound, and after that you place the adaptive limiter. Excellent results. Soon I'm gonna try this for other purposes, music, that is....
like+bookmark,excellent.
Thanks so much!
I've been assuming the green wave that fills the bottom of the screen is an RMS value, is this correct? The rise and fall is part of the adaptive characteristic?
Anyone know where I can find this since Gibson stopped working on Sonar and have most things to Bandlabs for all of us to have free?
I loose a lot of Kickdrum when using limiter for mastering. How do you go around that?
good. basic theory explanation very helpful
Glad you enjoyed it! We had a great time putting this video together. Thanks for the comment.
Thanks a lot, glad it was helpful!
I'm very hyped about this limiter, however when I tried it ( master bus- @ -8 Db ) I was getting some nasty pops. I replaced it with some others ( waves, Db limiter,etc) and the pops stopped. Is this thing latency sensitive?
Great video! I noticed the CPU performance module had low usage. What type of CPU are you using and how much RAM? Thanks, Jon.
Hey there Jon, I'm using a Ryzen 7 1700x CPU with 16GB of Kingston 1666 Razer Black RAM currently. Thanks for checking out the video!
Nice video on this, but I was wondering what to do with the Attack, Release and Link controls in a limiter or should I just leave it alone? I of course know what they do on a compressor.
The attack and release for the Adaptive Limiter are a little different than your normal compressor. The "Attack" decides how soon the release envelope starts and the release decided how soon the release envelope ends. Let me explain :) Shorter attack times mean that the release curve starts right away so you'll get less loudness but cleaner sounding limiting. Longer attack times means that the fast limiting envelope has to do more of the work and will give you more loudness but at very high settings you may hear artifacts. This results in more of a "Clipping" sound which is sometimes desired in small amounts. The "Release" setting is similar to a compressor release and operates in milliseconds. When the "Auto" button is turned ON, the release value determines the max time while in the auto mode.
Wow, Thanks so much, that explains it very well.
Would have been interesting to see what settings you had on the LP EQ and the LP MB.
Thanks for the feedback!
I hear you, though it being specifically about the Adaptive Limiter, didn't think to include a screen of those settings. My bad =(
As I use a similar mastering chain in Platinum myself I just thought it would be beneficial to see how these other two where used in conjunction. Perhaps a video of a mastering chain in Platinum would be a useful addition to this set of video's.
Best
Wooks
My furry pleasure Wooks
I do talk about building a master chain on my channel, but I didn't include the Adaptive Limiter on that one. We have a lot of ideas for videos, and talking more about mastering is definitely one of them!
Fail. Nice limiter, but you are the wrong guy to explain it. I'm at 5:35, Can't make heads or tails out of you, which tells me you don't know what your talking about.