just realized my voice is quieter after 10:10 sorry abt that. editing mistake. I asked youtube to help me fix the audio (they can do that) but they said no.
Your kinda lowballing 10s sukuna mahoraga literally was the one who created the world cutting slash sukuna said it himself and also sukuna can use shrine in that form just not at the same time he used shrine against yuji and maki and even gojo with the domain he just has to switch back and forth I don’t think he can use both at once
I wonder how you think mahoraga having access to the world cutting cleave would affect the fight because if we take into account mahoraga was the originator of the technique he should be able to improve upon it and he doesn't need to chant or use hand signs for it which makes him terrifyingly powerful
true form + weapons + domain amp was enough to destroy gojo lets not talk about the first 2 domains which sukuna could fire arrow spam gojo which 15f fire arrow one tapped maho and jogo so 20f is fire arrow is much stronger too Sukuna only used 10S to learn to cut infinity and used maho as a model and in chap 238 it was stated that nothing is a bigger advantage than 2 extra arms and an extra mouth true form is out of the jjk world in power and strength
@@Lawa0-0and Gojo was confident that he could one tap 20 finger Meguna’s Mahoraga with Red, yet Red wasn’t enough to even knock Sukuna out. Your point? Fire arrow + domain doesn’t solo Gojo just because it soloed Megumi’s Mahoraga
@@theodorable1425 wtf are you talking about bud? You compare gojo who never achieved anything he wanted to Sukuna who achieved everything he wanted 💀 Never said it kills gojo But it reduces gojo’s RCT alot and weakens him Multiple Fire arrows of 20F is way lethal 15F fire arrow one tapped maho 20F fire arrow is muchhhhh Stronger due to Sukuna’s higher CE And True form with 4 Arms + Weapons + Domain amp destroys gojo 🤷🏻♂️ But Sukuna didnt want to beat gojo without learning to cut infinity Thats why he used maho He didnt know 10S had maho until shibuya But he wanted megumi back in s1 since he had the potential to hold him and become a Vessel and not a cage like yuji
This video made me realize that a 20F Yujikuna or Heian Era (pre-world slash) vs Gojo would’ve been a much more interesting fight. It wouldn’t have made sense for Sukuna to lose to Gojo with 10S. He was given the entire playbook, an adaption method that took most of the damage for him, experiencing UV for himself within Yuji’s body, being able to hide in the shadows, a Shikigami that can adapt to anything, that he can learn from, and a 1000 year old sorcerer telling him exactly how Gojo’s abilities work. He had plenty prep and all the counters needed to win.
Finally someone mentions it. People really seem to forget sukuna had a massive info advantage on gojo. Hence, sukuna had a game plan and gojo was just winging it.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg that's redundant bc it's just agreeing with the fact that gojo was outmatched in experience and intelligence. And then people whine about the fight being unfair when really what else was sukuna supposed to do? There was only one way to bypass infinity and sukuna took advantage of it like anyone else would
@@JohnDoe-si4egthing is gojo would have lost in the domain battle if he didn’t go into the prison realm so you could argue if both had no prep time sukuna would have won
It's a very easy question to answer. The narrator literally said the 4 arms form gives him an advantage over ANY sorcerer and then told us why - He is able to beat the breaks out of you, and also perform any of his techniques that are already powerful enough to one-shot you at the same damn time. Mahoraga isn't adapting from the shadows if his Sukuna gets slashed in half in the real world.
Issue with that is the Madoka deer has endless rct. Also domain amplification would still work on the world slash. So DA makes it a 3v1 against heian Sukuna, with agito, except Maho can't adapt for the brief instants DA is disabled. So if Meguna times Kamutoke and lets Mahoraga adapt right as it hits, this means Heian Sukuna has no win cons left. The world slash is deadly, but its not a be all end all Edit: I have come to new evidence. The world slash definitely would kill Mahoraga since Sukuna's domain amplification can't overcome strong CT's like even a normal blue from Gojo. And the world slash is definitely above that. But yeah heian era Sukuna (no world slash) vs Meguna still goes to Meguma
@@AnonTDegenerate it was stated in the recent chapters that they can't use DA to defend against a world cutting slash. It literally would one shot anyone in the verse.
We forget that if Sukuna fought Gojo without 10 shadows Gojo would have never got the opportunities to use black flash, infinite void, and other techniques. Sukuna would’ve never been injured trying to adapt Mahoraga and Gojo… as he did would’ve still lost his Domain and Sukuna would’ve kept his since he was never on the defensive. Gojo would’ve died to a domain expansion.
@@darkallex88please elaborate as for the majority of their fight he was on defensive and he beat Gojo in the domain battles meaning with 1+ Domain Sukuna would’ve won without the 10shadows he would’ve had no need to ever go be the defensive Sukuna could’ve factually kept spamming domains. The RCT moment that gave Gojo .01 seconds would not have occurred.
@jamestaylor2039 Illogical, the domain battles might have been a bit harder but that's all. Gojo would still lose the clashes but beat Sukuna enough to shut MS down. Gojo wouldn't die to the domain expansions which would be Heian Era Sukuna's and any version Sukuna besides the current one's win condition. That's crappy odds against the same guy that stated he needed Mahoraga to be the role model to bypass infinity and even that was near impossible to do. You guys need to think more. Also don't bring up what Gojo said in the afterlife to Geto because that's just how he feels. Sukuna acknowledges what he can and can't do Gojo speculates what he can and can't do Big difference
You do realized heian era Sukuna would've had his two weapons. we've seen what lighting does to a person like Hakari, Kamtoke had an even bigger lighting strike and the only reason Kashimo didn't die was due to his electricity resistance. If Sukuna broke Gojos domain and used Kamotoke on Gojo he would've died instantly due to infinity not working inside of domains.@@levbiggs
I like to think Meguna is the utility build while the Heian era is the berserker build. against opponents that can't be brought down with brute force alone Meguna is superior, but Heian era can overwhelm his opponents with his strength and additional limbs.
@@Hanzo701 yujikuna is overlooked because true form sukuna is does what he does better, im not even sure if yujikuna is physically superior to meguna in the shinjuku showdown
I think by the time Sukuna got Megumi's body, even tho its not stated, he had Nue inherit great snake, contributing to its massive size, the fact its tail turns into a snake, and Sukuna's Nue's eyes were similar to how Agito's were. Also, with him wearing the wheel, it was implied he can see through Yorozu's technique through the adaptation
He’s probably “stronger” per se in terms of power. But with ten shadows Sukuna is able to fight however he wants. He play defensive and stall you out like he did with Gojo and he can go fully on offense. He’s just way more tactical w ten shadow. Compared to Sukuna w full fingers that just gonna over power anyone. So in terms of would win I think it’d be 52/48 with a slight edge to ten shadows
Nah...while using 10s sukuna can't use his own technique...and from my prospective cleave and dismantle with black box>>>> any of 10s animal & current sukuna with world cleave is a unstoppable force...so current sukuna over maguna anytime...oh and current sukuna is also physically stronger than maguna and with constant chanting goodness maguna have no change 😂
What I love about jjk is that you can have a pre-final form version of a character who beats the strongest person in the verse and he’d unironically have better odds beating said strongest person then than if he were in his final form, it’s so complex and just cool, it opens the door for SOOO much discussion
Meguna is the best for fighting someone like Gojo or Takaba, who have very niche Cursed Techniques that can't be traditionally overwhelmed. But Heian is overall the best option. He's just overwhelmingly faster and offensively stronger in this form. Being able to do hand signs while chanting to strengthen his attacks WHILE he's beating the shit out of you is just way too strong. He hits harder with his bare hands than Mahoraga can (15F Sukuna was blocking punches with his fingers at some points in Shibuya)
Yeah heian sukuna too currently used 2-3 ce enhanced fingers as sword against yuta's sword. Meguna is better only if he chooses to adapt and overcome a pesky ability
@@Czurcodmdude, yuta parried sukunas attack with his sword. Read the chapter again, it shows sukuna charging up an attack for yuta and he slashes his finger tip to deflect it.
I can see why this is a debate but the manga has made it pretty clear than True form is superior or more like given statements and feats that shows why og form is superior. U got the narrator saying that the extra arms and mouth are the BIGGEST advantage a sorcerer can have and its makes sense. Got better raw strength and a signifcant speed boost. While it may seem like Meguna is superior due to its versatility in abilities I feel like og form Sukuna just wins cause of the edge the above mentioned stuff gives him. I feel like I'm forgetting something might edit this later if I remember it. The strongest of an era called it perfection before getting manhandled and waffled.
Sukuna the strongest sorcerer in history has access to one of the two strongest abilities in history but the casting and extra arms are stronger okay, and he doesn’t get a speed boost he just recovered from Gojos attack
Yeah it's THE biggest advantage as we saw gojo and utahime were able to amp their ct's to 120% when they didn't skip any hand sign and incantations. Meaning in his true form all his ct's are amped up to 120%. It's no brainer why Kashimo called him "perfection"
@@maxdavis7722 yeah, but that's the weird part. It's unexplained by megumi's (*yuji's 10 times stronger than him) has the same physical stats as heian sukuna. Maybe the ce is less after fighting Gojo, Kashimo, higuruma in succession who knows. Gege mostly leaves stuff unexplained
I'm gonna hold of on that decision until we see what "the shrine/ open ■" is fully capable of. Dunno just feels like a gigantic checkovs gun since Gege is holding it back *this* long.
Yeah, it's the climax and he's getting more power ups instead of showing his true ct as if to amp him for fighting something even more stron- (*sorry almost leaked the plot)
@@Czurcodm my headcanon is that the final battle will be Sukuna vs Yuji and Megumi and since both of them have been teased to be eventually able to reach Gojos level its gotta be something pretty broken cause 10S Sukuna had trouble with "one Gojo" so to speak... Thats just me tho
Yeah but i dont think you should use this as an argument to define what Sukuna forma is stronger. Remember, Meguna stills sukuna. He still can use all his techniches include fuga.
@@Czurcodm Yes, but do you know how much it will increase? I personally don't know, and I don't believe anyone knows because it hasn't been revealed. But if I had to guess, it would be between 120%-130%. Which is a very good buff. But the ten shadows technique alone has already been established as being on the same level as unlimited, considering that Gojo himself said that Megumi could surpass him, and even gave the example of the two clan leaders who killed themselves in the past. So think, it's Sukuna, with all his skills, all his knowledge, cuts, domain expansion, fuga, and everything he hasn't yet shown + a technique that has already been established as being at an unlimited level of Gojo, being used with mastery by Sukuna. So no bro, it's not obvious which of the two versions is stronger, if it were there wouldn't be so much discussion.
Sukuna also can adapt to everything he sees himself he’s done it before in the series obviously not on the same level as mahoraga but sukuna is genuinely just that good
Sukunas adaptation prob just him learning the opponents CT and plan the most effective way to counter it, just like he took the long way and steal mahoraga to counter gojo. He doesn't become immune to their attack like mahoraga does
In defense of Gojo and the "Nah, I'd win" meme. Gojo said it before Sukuna took control of Megumi and the 10 Shadows. Without the adaptation hack, I don't clearly see how even 20 fingers Sukuna could pass through Gojo's infinity. Heian era Sukuna may perform better, but without Mahoraga being part of the fight, I think Gojo would have won at the end.
I swear you bitches don't read lol like Gojo was hit by Meguna's sure hit 2 times and he had to use New Shadow Style and Blossom to survive and if he didn't damage Sukuna enough the other 2 times their domains clashed Gojo WOULD have died. Heian form almost doubles Sukuna's incantation speed making it even more likely that the sure hit will land, AND gives Sukuna better physicallity so it's harder for Gojo to damage Sukuna both inside and outside his domain. Literally Gojo's only win condition against Heian form is purple since Infinite Void is not landing naymore if Gojo barely landed it against Meguna he is not landing it against Heian form.
I don't really think we can say. Since we don't even know the extent of Sukuna's technique, we don't even really know what it is, other than the Arrow and Dismantle/Cleave. But considering Gojo said during his fight with Sukuna that he was holding back, then I'd assume that the Shrine Form is stronger, because it seemed like Gojo considered Sukuna's domain expansions to be a bigger threat than Mahoraga.
Yea 10 shadows is very specific to fighting Gojo and he doesn’t really need it for anyone else. Yea like you said don’t know what Sukuna actual technique as well.
I think Mahoraga was the only threat to Gojo, he was tanking Sukuna's shrine and thinking to himself how his own technique is far superior, Mahoraga's wheel was the only thing that was a threat to Gojo
@@Rujewitbloodany other sorcerer would have died before reaching Mahoraga's adaptation, Mahoraga was only a danger to Gojo thanks to Sukuna, no one in jjk can tank Gojo's techniques except Sukuna
That’s not what gojo meant by “holding back”. He was upset because sukuna didn’t use his whole arsenal but because of infinity anything else in his arsenal besides DE and 10’s (specifically mahoraga) couldn’t bypass infinity so sukuna had no choice but to hold back.
@@traplaygames7274gojo never said he was holding back because of infinity and if that was the case gojo wouldn’t have said he doesn’t know if he could beat him without ts
Heian form Sukuna clears, unless it’s about developing new techniques. Then Mahoraga is invaluable. Heian Form Sukuna > Meguna for strength/power Meguna > Heian Form Sukuna for growth Also it’s crazy that 10S allows you to hide in the shadows yet that usage is so incredibly underutilized by both Megumi and Sukuna.
Not really, sukuna has much more versatility with ten shadows. Hien Sukuna may have technical advantages but that is nowhere close to having one of the best CT of series. Only reason sukuna didn't instantly win against gojo was because limitless is a very complex technique so requires multiple spin. He can use the wheel to gain unfair advantages like completely removing any case of domain and can spam domain expansion. Again gojo managed to equalize that just because his domain was almost guaranteed victory, but mahoraga had already adapted and megumi's soul took the burden of uv. I think meguna easily wins , because how unfair mahoraga is
Yeah, but no high speed, less ability in hand to hand, and no extra mouth. Gojo was winning hand to hand mostly because of speed, so this Sukuna would be at least as fast, if not faster than Gojo
@@vs-tm1chtrue this. And people forget sukuna only got hit with infinite void because he was .01 seconds too slow on his domain. A hein era sukuna would’ve never been pushed that far and gojo most likely would’ve died in the next domain clash
12:00 he told kashimo to dodge it even with that he arm was cut off so it's not like he shot and kashimo dodged it just like that and mahoraga was able to take gojo black flashes because it already adapted to blue(gojo enhances his punches with blue)
The one issue I have with this is that Megkuna can freely switch between Shrine and 10 Shadows. Sure, he can't use both at the same time, but that is a massive advantage.
And thats the reason Gojo survived domain clashes. When he lost first two domain clashes his Limitless was temporarily down and he was using all his output for RCT to survive MS. Sukuna would've killed him with one high output Cleave but he wanted adaptation for calibrqtion of his CT. And in order to not cancel adaptation he didn't used his innate techniques other than whats granted to domain.
@@dedr0dedr029 bro ms already uses cleave, every cleave is meant to one shot the opponent , gojo survived because he kept restiching his body with rct, and how can he use his ct while using his domain anyway??
@@sohamchitkara2643 It is already explained how MS works. Attacks of MS is like small blades raining on you while Sukuna can adjust the dimensions and strength of the blade. And if the attacks of MS powerful as your statement than why Gojo got one shotted when he increased his CE output to %120 for final hollow purple.
@@dedr0dedr029 ?? first of all it literally says in the manga that ms uses cleave to cut up living beings and cleave automatically adjusts its power to the durability of the opponent. And there is no mention of 120 percent output cleave where are you getting this info. Sukuna just used the world slash
@@sohamchitkara2643 In the manga it says Dismantle attacks things without cursed energy and Cleave attacks things with cursed energy. It doesn't say Cleave calibrates itself to oneshot the opponent. And also it is true that in manga it doesn't say %120 about Gojo's output. It says Gojo's output rises because of the two black flashes and incantations. And we know that a sorcerer can increase his/her output up to %120 with black flashes. So %120 was just a estimate and it may be muh more than that.
He is definitely more rawly more like powerful in his normal form, but he is able to use his intelligence and play with his opponents with the ten shadows
The "no greater advantage" thing shouldnt be taken literally. What about 1000 hands? Surely better than 4. The point is that it allows a passive buff on top of your regular abilities instead of being two separate actions. 1000 hands still can't cut "space", maharaga was needed for that. But the on the other hand maharaga can't passively buff and attack at the same time. One is more specialized the other is more generally applicable
Sukuna in Megumi's body kind of has an unfair advantage with ten shadows because it can sacrifice Megumi's soul for Mahoraga's adaptation, under normal circumstances it's much harder to use Mahoraga. If it wasn't for that gojo could have one shot it.
I think in this video we all forget that Sukuna can still use 10 Shadows. The reason he doesn’t imo is because the bond between the divine dogs and Sukuna may be soul related due to the amount of time the divine dogs were with Megumi. Now if this statement is false the final divine dog now has the power of all the other destroyed shikigami including mahoraga. Sukuna still has 10 Shadows and if needed he could still choose to sink into the shadows the only reason he doesn’t is because he is fully aware that he has no need to go on the defensive. Should he need to vs Yuta or anyone in the upcoming gauntlet we will see 10 shadows again. Assuming he chooses to use it over other techniques in his shrine.
He has used the divine dogs before, but decides that a partial summon is better since it makes them more sturdy. I just don't think he can, he's fully incarnated. And if he could have had 4 arms 2 mouths with 10S I think he would have. 10S wins already, and Heian sukuna could win. So combining the 2 makes it a 4v1 against Gojo.
10S was just a way to learn to cut infinity just as he said that he used maho as a model to cut infinity, And in chap 238 it was stated that 2 extra arms + extra mouth is the greatest advantage a sorcerer can have so basically its even better than 6 eyes ad with his weapons he is unmatched without a doubt heian era sukuna destroys Meguna(without space slash) and yujikuna current Sukuna is the strongest tho
In my eyes They have the same stats, With True Form having more advantages in basic jujutsu with the Additional Arms and Mouth, like the narrator had said. True Form is hyped up as Having a one up over any other sorcerer because of such. True Form >~ MegumiKuna > Yujikuna
Definitely not the same stats as heian sukuna's body is a Lot Lot superior to megumi's (*even yujikuna has quite better physical stats than meguna tbh but he makes up for it by jumping his opponents imao)
6:30, the thing is the nue he had was Nue with the serpents power, like it has a giant tail and its face doesn't match the one of Nue. Meaning we don't know how much of a power boost sukuna gave it or if the new Nue would just always be that strong. because we see that the dogs combined are many times stronger then them being separate. You might say "MAhoraga was obviously stronger" and that's true, but the three times mahoraga was summoned he was mid adapting to a persons stats aswell. Like when he was summoned against Yorusu he was definitely stronger then Megumi's, but he also took multiple attacks by Yoruzu meaning his stats would have been increased because of him adapting to take the blows. Also they are shikigame, not Cursed spirits. Like nowhere has it been said that more cursed energy means stronger Shikigame, they are living things that get summoned by a user, they are the same always, the elephant Megumi summoned in the school fighting arc is the same as in culling game. 12:00, Sukuna actually says "Look out" before even starting his cut, meaning Kashimo definitely had more time then what normally would be provided. 13:35, we actually don't know if its needed, we have seen it 3 times, only once has he shown to use incantations, while once he had 1 arm and saying incantations would spark suspicion in gojo. So saying it as true is not right.
@@user_named_alan True however in this case it is the narrator Who talked. Gege outright said that true form Sukuna is perfection and there is no greater advantage for a sorcerer to have this type of body.
It’s just obvious original form is better since it’s what he is used to. More hands, more tools, more chants, more ways output ct. it’s just hands down an upgrade.
i thought that the general sentiment was, sukuna only used meguna as a means to kill gojo tactically and that that was the only edge meguna had over heian. Meguna is just a tactical matchup to kill gojo efficiently and nothing more. Overall heian is just so overwhelmingly powerful that the tactical advantages meguna provides are negligible
meguna has a literal 2nd curse technique. Are we honestly saying that heian era sukuna can make up for a 2nd curse technique. Meguna can do everything he can do + plus more
@@pyroflamekid7412 Heien would win easily in hand to hand combat, due to extra arms and ability to use cleave/dismantle while fighting. Plus he can do chants to buff the strength and range of his attacks, making his slices way stronger than Meguna. Not to mention Kamutoke, which would one shot any shikigami except for Mahoraga. Plus fire arrow, which has one shotted mahoraga before and would do it again. Then the speed and strength different in favor of Heien Sukuna. Only thing Meguna has is versatility, but all that versatility is lost when all the attacks are easily stopped.
@@pyroflamekid7412 except in order to use his arsenal fully, meguna has to limit himself. Meguna couldn't use shrine or his other cts while adapting etc. Sure he has a literal 2nd curse technique, but you're ignoring the nuance of using it to its full potential. It's not an unconditional second power boost, it has its limitations which is why i think general heian sukuna's raw power is just better overall.
It was the only way to win for Sukuna. Plot device to deveat Gojo, just like every single thing in JJK that counters Gojo. ISOH, Prison Realm, even Mahoraga. All those were immediately discarded seconds after they achieved their plot purpose. Gege is honestly shitty writer because of that, he shouldn't create Gojo and put him in JJK verse and those elements I mentioned are the reason why
@@UcffrUyfdxx Uhh are we forgetting 15 Sukuna violated Mahoraga. depends if Gojo can keep up the infinity gaurd while using 10s which I imagine not. If infinity gaurd isn't up bro is not having a good fight. We haven't even seen og form Sukuna go all out. Bro is just playing around rn
@@rand12389 no.but we then see good fighting mahoogra and Sukana shrine. And it stated Susan couldn't threw limitless with shrink but copied a model from mahgora. Susana admitted that. And if Susana and gojo have the same level of CR RCE and Domain. I m pretty sure gojo six eyes allow him to use bare minimum ce. So yes GOJO + maghorage > Suskana +, mahogroage
@@yazouruaim694 I doubt it, he's way better in a fight against gojo specifically cuz he a better matchup. Against a random enemy or each other its way closer. just my opinion tho
@@godlyomen10 Current Sukuna has brain damage, he can't use Domain expansion. By that exact reason Meguna low/diffs. But if we let him have one then it can go either way.
Great Video as always 👍🏽 I would personally give a slight edge to Meguna over Heian era sukuna because Meguna also has a one time use health replenishment other than RCT. We know that in the beginning of his fight with Kashimo, Sukuna resumed his incarnation into his prime body to heal himself without rct. That was a Meguna feat because prime sukuna does not have that ability in his bag
While i agree shrine sukuna > megkuna, i have to say i like 10 shadows, specifically Mahoraga, a lot for a completely crazy reason. It basically shows how broken Orihime could have been with Shun Shun Rikka with it being debatable if SSR is better. Mahoraga adapts to all phenomena whole SSR rejects all phenomena. We see it's so damn busted, it can fully resurrect someone, to being able to withstand Yhwach's attacks. What kept its offensive capabilities so low was Origime's lack of killing intent. All of her will and power came from her desire to protect people (also a great way to keep an otherwise broken ability from being well....broken lol). But Mahoraga kind of shows what someone with the ability to literally reject ANYTHING from happening could be like. Completely random ik lol. Love the content as always ❤
6:45 is incorrect, if you see at it's tail it's the combination (totality) of nue and great serpent since if you saw the anime/manga in the sukuna vs megumi fight sukuna killed great serpent which made the totality activate and give nue a part of gs ability
It’s not logical to just assume sukana gains power from his body coming back, it’s not like his CE increases and the pure physical strikes aren’t shown to be stronger
I would say he a little stronger. Gojo might be the only person doesn’t physically matter as much. For everyone else it makes fighting much easier for him especially if it’s multiple people. There are benefits say he wasn’t trying to learn from Mahoraga and had this form he drop a domain with hand signs and chants, that could have ended Gojo right there, he could add 80%-100% on 120% domain buff.
Well, his CTs become stronger because he can constantly do hand signs and chants. So maybe his domain would be stronger than gojos domain, and he probably wouldn't win his clashes so gojo would lose maybe.
@@terencebarnes7393like he said chants don’t work for domains, if you have trouble understanding why, then you haven’t been paying attention to the story and using a lot of head cannon theories to interpret events
at 6:40, that wasn't Nue, it was Nue + the great serpent totality, which is why its size is soo large. I'm not actually sure the size of Sukuna's summons are larger than that of Megumi's. The rabbits were the same size, and so was the elephant. Mahoraga seems to be larger, but i'd personally attribute that to inconsistent art from Gege.
i mean "meguna "exists literary to only combat gojo,the reason he even took megumi's body is so that he can beat gojo,sukuna knew he would get cooked by gojo in his own form,also he survived gojo's domain only because he had megumi's soul to otherwise he was cooked then and there
@@bna919 No he couldn't sense mahoraga, he litterally discovered his existence in shibuya df you're smoking ? He was interested in megumi because he wanted to try his cursed technique and because he deemed megumi's body as a good vessel, better than itadori that he couldn't overtakr
I have often seen this misconception in the fandom that "Sukuna made Nue Huge"... No he didn't that's not Nue, that's a Totality between Nue and The Great Serpent. You can CLEARLY see the massive serpent tail here(6:44)
Sukuna didnt need 10s for Gojo. It wa confirmed by Gojo that Sukuna was fighting riskier just so Mahoraga could adapt. Sukuna already cut Gojo up in the domain and was going hand to hand with him with domain amplification. Sukuna also tanked 2 amped purples where Mahoraga couldnt survive one. And then sukuna said he only needed Maharoga for a model to improve cleave. Even Gojo almost taking out Sukunas heart, lungs and liver didnt do anything and Sukuna was still alive. It seems like Sukuna couldve killd Gojo any time in the domain clash including when he touched Gojo in his own domain.
Great Argument but it was a 3 v 1 the entire fight sukuna can only beat Gojo if mahoraga there to explain how to cut through Gojo infinity without Mahoraga sukuna loses you also have to take in account Gojo can't use hollow Purple at full power cause he risk killing everyone around him
@@cumsees But there was no one around him. Are you saying hollow purple amped at 200% isnt full power? Plus maybe you missed the point. Sukuna didnt need to cut through infinity to beat Gojo. After Sukuna cut up Gojo in the domain clash, all Sukuna needed to do was add fire arrow in the mix. Gojo cant heal with rct and prevent fire arrow with infinity at the same time. Even if he could, that would create enough of a distraction for Sukuna to easily blitz Gojo and rip out his heart with domain amplification. You also cant complain about being a 3v1 when it's all part of the 10s technique and Sukuna is in a 5v1 now against Jujutsu high students
@@cumseesnope, Sukuna used Mahoraga because he wanted a Power up, he could have won anyway, after chapter 230 he could have been reincarnated by healing his wounds and Gojo would have died, but he wanted to keep the reincarnation because he knew he would have to fight the other sorcerers, and in any case the excuses of 3 vs 1 no longer count, considering that Sukuna is fighting literally all the sorcerers, and he knew he would have to fight the other sorcerers after Gojo, if it was really a 1 vs 1 from the beginning I would have agreed with you, but it was never a 1 vs 1 on both sides
Correct sukuna don't just wanted to kill gojo but to also evolve his cleave technique....if he want to kill gojo, gojo would be long die in like 5 chapter or in the 1st domain clash
@@enma8441 not understanding what makes you think there weren't people in almost every building Gojo said he's Gojo blame sukuna for the destruction he going cause we saw at the beginning of the series where todo and yuji fight and gojo throws a hollow Purple no where near full power the same would be said with Gojo hollow Purple not at full power and the 10 shadows technique wouldn't have enough power or curse energy to go against gojo Mahoraga went toe toe with 15s sukuna and couldn't mahoraga the a hollow Purple 5s sukuna couldn't touch gojo sukuna needed to adapt to infinity could barely touch gojo at 5s and gojo was proven to beat sukuna in combat multiple times and couldn't be truly killed without world cutting slash and wouldnt need to use limitless and rt at the same time he could use either then again you could always use the counter claim of domain amp but my point would till stand
So in Yu-gi-oh terms, Gojo had an effect that made him untargetable but Sukuna essentially turned himself into a Mirror-jade and gave himself a non-targeting monster banish... Dope
In my opinion sukina was just using ten shadow because he wants to learn amd improve his technique Sukuna cant use domain amplification and adapatation at the same time, Gojo was having advantage in hand gi hand vecause he is using blue to make his punch harder Domain amplification can decrease the effect of blue, When sukuna uses DA we see that he constantly keep up pretty well against gojo When he is adapting and turn of DA we see he consistently gets beaten up by gojo Gojo only hits sukuna with UNLIMITED VOID because he is too injured that it takes 0.01 second slower for him to use his domain expansion, However sukuna who consistently uses DA may be able survive the domain clash and not be damaged so much that he gets injured that his injury slowed his adaptation And gojo would run out of DE and sukuna would the clash "But if sukuna can just win with DA and hand to hand,why did he let himself get beat up adapting to it?" Here is the thing i never said that sukuna would always win in h2h with DA against gojo,i said MAY its basucally its 50/50 there is a possibility where sukuna with DA completely survive the clash long enough that UV gets destroyed before gojo damage him enough and he doesnt get the domain slowing injury, there is a possibility it whete sukuna doesnt, Meanwhile adapting with mahoraga to UV is 100 confirmed way of surviving unlimited void So which one is better,(using hand 2 hand combat and your full capability to try your best to win a 50/50 survival chance in battle,or get yourself get beaten up for a while and gain 100 percent survival after the adaptation is done
He can't use adaptation and DA at the same time is pauses which is why he held back from using DA in the tied clashes and reduced his own durability to speed up the adaptation process
@@dopekingziihe was giving the bare minimum effort though. We gojo says - "it brings me joy To see you trying so hard" sukuna says - "not as hard as you" plus he mostly played defence as his entire gameplan was to tank all of gojo's attacks and adapt to them.
16:36 one thing i think is interesting and another reason why i think 10 shadows sukuna is the strongest fighter we have ever seen is that people forget sukuna didnt even create the world cutting cleave. It was mahoraga. Mahoraga can use the technique and that was just the begining of its adaptation. He didnt need hand signs or any sorta chant he just sent it out. Imagine what it could do given more time it could probably even do the waffle iron (the attack that killed kashimo)
Ten Shadows are effectively equal to the Limitless, and Gojo himself outright stated his technique is superior to Sukuna's shrine techniques while tanking its barrage of slashes: ergo, Meguna beats Heian Era Sukuna, as Gojo would have. Only through Maharaga's example on how to bypass Infinity did Sukuna gain the world-cutting slash (stating himself he COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT without the wonderful model provided by Maharaga), thus elevating current four-armed Sukuna. World-cutting slash is the only thing actually putting Sukuna in ANY form above Limitless, so... yea; whatever version has the space-cutting slash wins, plain and simple.
The Gojo gobblers are back. 🤦🏿♂️ Go read chapter 236 again. Gojo himself knew he couldn’t reach Sukuna and that Sukuna didn’t give the fight his all. His exact words. Please give it a rest.
@@CertainlyCynical It’s absolutely sad seeing them grasp at straws. The man is called, “The King Of Curses” for Christ sakes. He’s a walking calamity and his understanding of jujutsu runs deep. Now this fight with Rika, King Vs Queen, this fight will be crazy as hell and in my opinion will be a lot closer. He might even push my boy Okkotsu, to a different level of understanding and power. I’m so hyped. 😭😭😭
I think the best way to explain dimensional slash is like ripping the paper when two stick characters are fighting one with a circle drawn around them.
If they were up against each other Megkuna would actually wreck Shrine Kuna for a few reasons. Mahaorga would be resistant to the slashes because he's made from Sukuna curse energy. He could see the slashes and adapt easily because of how simple the attack is. So Megkuna would have the advantage.
@@pestydesperado8771 because this Mahoraga is far more stronger than the one he faught for three reasons. It's Sukuna summoning him so he's amped by Sukuna's curse energy, he's resistant to Sukuna's cursed energy being summoned by him, and he's protected by Sukuna.
@@diamantemrobinson that's an assumption, and not a bad one, but the manga never tells us that, and he seems to work so differently from the other shikigami.
@@pestydesperado8771 you can actually see the difference in Mahaorga's power from when Megumi summoned him and Sukuna. The shikigami of the ten shadows reflect their summoner which is why Sukuna tells Mahaorga he's his shadow not Megumi's. So on top of the buff in power granted by Sukuna he's more durable from attacks dished out by Sukuna as well since he has his curse energy. Remember Mahaorga even used Sukuna's own ability on Gojo.
@@diamantemrobinson Shine Form would body regardless. Malevolent Shrine from that form is so much stronger thanks to the chantings Sukuna can perform. And if they were to face eachother, Mahoraga would be literally confused asf and probably not fighting at all, both are sukuna afterall and have control over Mahoraga. Shrine Form Flame Arrow + Malevolent Shrine would end Mahoraga completetly again
Pretty sure hein era is just blatantly stated stronger. Meguna is simply more versatile especially against extreme gg hax abilities where his opponent allows him to adapt. And even then gojo still won against meguna and only lost to sukuna’s world slash AFTER beating ten shadows
7:25 is also wrong it's not piercing blood it's max elephant's water being used in pressure, like the ones used to cut throught metal in the real world
I mean while Gojo dod say sukuna was holding back even with 10 shadows, he literally needed mahoraga as a model to bypass infinity as even stated BY HIMSELF
Depends, if true form sukuna can't use 10s as the ct is etched onto megumi's brain which is gone with his body and replaced with sukuna's heian brain. Then he'd just use the domain after gojo's brain fried by reincarnation and kill gojo
Before i finish the video,id probably go for megumi sukuna.This feels like yujikuna vs meguna but amplified.While true form sukuna outstats in h2h,the sheer volume of hax gives meguna the advantage. Like theres a reason sukuna took megumis body even though yuji was stronger.Instead of trying to outbox gojo in domain clash or while using amplification,10 shadows was a better pick
@@Steez224 The statement was in reference to the efficiency of combat and jujutsu. If you take this statement at face value,sukuna with extra mouth and arms>sukuna with ten shadows+every CT in the verse.Its not a literal statement
I'd say meguna is better for countering certain techniques like the infinity but sukunas true form is the best overall when it comes to overpowering opponents quickly
@@amogus1415 Except no sorcerer has Ten Shadows plus every other CT and I'm pretty sure the narrator would tell us they are now the strongest sorcerer in the verse. It's a very literal statement until we are told otherwise.
@@Steez224 That's not what the statement says."For a sorcerer,there is no greater advantage than having twice the number of mouths and hands"So it's talking in hypotheticals.Its saying there's nothing you can do better than having 2 mouths and 4 hands.
Not really. Megumi at best was grade 1. He wasn't able to fully master the ten shadow. Gojo before his awakening didn't even have a domain and reverse cursed technique. At the end of the day if you don't have a proper mindset you'll never amount to anything as sorcerer. Someone like that would at best be geto level.
Its simple really the best way to put it is that Meguna is better at fighting complex enemies while Heian era Sukuna is better at dealing with more enemies attacking him at once can't even imagine him with shrine too
I don't think its fair to give world cutting slash to true form sukuna because 10 shadow sukuna can also use world cutting slash, infact he needed moharaga to learn it in the first place. Also , I don't know why your referring his true form as 'shrine' as 10 s sukuna can still use menavlent shrine
Before the video I was quite sure about megumi sekuna being stronger. I think he still didn't reach his heights. I think it might be possible to combine Maharagoa with other shicugami. I think it might be possible to use abilities of 10sh yourself (insane positive energy, weel adaptations, elecricity) I think Shadows could be utilized to higher extend - to hide weapons, to jump oponentt (ofc), to dodge attacks or even to hide I didn't think megumi sucuma is restricted in his schrine mode at all, besides his effiency, speed - number of slashes casted at once (due to his extra hands and mouths) but that he restriced himself, because he found out his slashes cannot cut thought infinity and so that he could trick gojo into beliving he need to use hand sights to cast them - like he did for fist time. Now I think in his prime form his slashes can propably also be more devastating + casting speed and efficienty. Which still leads me to believe that meg.sukuna is suprerior. But I admit it would be fair to add weapons to prime sukuna, unfortunately we dont know much about them. Sukuna also seems to hide his abilities.
Bro completely forgot to mention that Meguna can still use shrine dis/cleave and the world cutting GG slash it’s not as effective as his original form by any means and I think in verse his original form is superior but anything we saw 15f yujikuna do is possible for meguna
Facts 😂 gojo and sukuna had about no less than 3 domain clashes and gojo was getting cut up lol the fact he wasn’t even transformed yet when he gave gojo his last words after the spacial slash 😂
I may have missed this but how is agito a mix of the snake when sukuna ripped it apart. Is there a regeneration period for "dead" shikigami where the user has to do the taming ritual again?
The thing about JJK fights is that skill sets compatibility in fights is very important. Someone fighting Ten shadows form might be better off fighting the Heian form and vice versa. For instance, Yuji can punch and kick Sukuna all he indefinitely, how would that go against Mahoraga though🧐see what I mean? Also, I think the fire arrow was something out of Yuji’s arsenal. That said I suspect Yuji’s cursed technique is Free Manipulation of cursed energy. This explains why he hasn’t used the fire or anything similar since, as well as explaining why Sukuna said that Kenjaku was ‘nasty’ when fighting Yuji and Megumi. Because the amount of skill it would take to master such a limitless ability is far beyond Yuji’s capabilities. We also know that Sukuna can make the most of whatever host body he is in while still being able to use his own technique. Idk I think I’m spittin🫣
Meguna(19fingers)+10 shadows(all of them) vs Heian sukuna(fp) Strengh:Heian sukuna Speed:Heian sukuna Durability:Meguna+10 shadows Endurance:Meguna+10 shadows Iq:both B/iq:both Ce reserves:Heian sukuan Ct:Meguna+10 shadows(shrine and 10 shadows are close tecniques but meguna got both but just slightly weaker shrine) Ce control:heian sukuna Ct control:heian sukuna Hax:meguna+10 shadows Body(height,weight and anormalities like 4 arms):heian sukuna Domain:heian sukuna Rct:heian sukuna Black flashes:heian sukuna Attack:Meguna+10 shadows(its close) Defense:Meguna+10 shadows Heian sukuna wins mid-high diff
Also. Keep in mind sukuna literally warned kashimo of the attack before he dodged making it more of a sukuna feat as kashimo, fully on guard and expecting and attack to come, could only barely dodge it
just saying… sukuna would have stayed as megumis body if gojo didn’t fry it. he’s been excited for having megumis since the start of the series for a reason lol
I see it as Meguna > Haien Sukuna for Gojo specifically Sukuna knew how Gojo’s abilities worked from Kenjaku and created a game plan based off of it, hence Mahoraga, who showed him how to do it I think people misinterpreted Gojo’s doubt in the afterlife, in Gojo’s PoV, his death was instant and unexpected with seemingly no build up in advance. I see it as Gojo thinking that could have happened at any time at anytime. Sukuna even sorta debunks Gojo’s claims immediately in the panels afterwards. Though either one of them beats Gojo Post-World Cutting slashes I do love this fight alot though since there is so many ways to interpret so many moments in it
Sukuna said he needed maho to bypass infinity, that doesn't debunk anything tbh as true form doesn't skip anything from hand signs to incantations (*we already saw how gojo and utahime amped their ct to 120% when they didn't skip anything) Meaning heian sukuna has all his ct's amped up to 120% and Gojo's sure hit tied with Meguna's alone, heian sukuna would've outright won all the domain battles. (*Plus if the reincarnation replaced megumi's brain with his body too which it technically should then sukuna could've reincarnated and used DE to kill gojo anytime after the 5th clash)
Correct me if I’m wrong, sukuna didn’t have the world cutting slash in his heian era form, it was with the help of Mahoraga and gojo that he awakened the world cutting slash. Obviously the final sukuna we see is the best of his heian era form due to the wcs.
Meguna basically because he has two techniques he can flip flop between the 10 Shadow or his technique whatever that is. He can basically hide in the shadows lets his minions do the work and learn from it If it wasn't for Gojo being so insanely powerful entire cast will be done for Maho alone solos the majority of cast
I feel Meguna is a lot more stronger because of the shadow style summons. The more utilities a Jujutsu sorcerer has, the deadlier they become. While his actual form is more damage oriented. Being able to use chants and hand signs increasing the output of his “Shrine” curse technique
just realized my voice is quieter after 10:10 sorry abt that. editing mistake. I asked youtube to help me fix the audio (they can do that) but they said no.
Your kinda lowballing 10s sukuna mahoraga literally was the one who created the world cutting slash sukuna said it himself and also sukuna can use shrine in that form just not at the same time he used shrine against yuji and maki and even gojo with the domain he just has to switch back and forth I don’t think he can use both at once
Pretty sure the nue sukuna summoned was the great serpent mixed with nue hence the tail
@indianpokedude6867 bro is Mahoraga
I wonder how you think mahoraga having access to the world cutting cleave would affect the fight because if we take into account mahoraga was the originator of the technique he should be able to improve upon it and he doesn't need to chant or use hand signs for it which makes him terrifyingly powerful
What are you using to record your audio? And do you have like a compact mixer or anything or are you just using software for editing?
Imagine being so OP in your verse they gotta scale you against yourself
It's crazy because sukunas finger levels can be used to scale other characters in the manga ☠️
What's even crazier is 3 finger Sukuna, probably solos a LOT of the verse. Lmao
@@BobbyCroseBewler1 finger in itself’s already special grade
@@baccupacci1 finger contains the CE of a special grade tool, not sorcerer. Yuta’s a SG sorcerer and has the CE of 10 fingers.
And likely the weakest SG
I think of it this way: for fighting Gojo it's Meguma. For fighting anyone else it's heian Sukuna.
Considering how people typically gang up on Sukuna, Meguna is most effective for both
@@da5863nah not really because sukuna has way more experience fighting in his normal form, also he has double arms and mouth
true form + weapons + domain amp was enough to destroy gojo
lets not talk about the first 2 domains which sukuna could fire arrow spam gojo which 15f fire arrow one tapped maho and jogo so 20f is fire arrow is much stronger too
Sukuna only used 10S to learn to cut infinity and used maho as a model
and in chap 238 it was stated that nothing is a bigger advantage than 2 extra arms and an extra mouth
true form is out of the jjk world in power and strength
@@Lawa0-0and Gojo was confident that he could one tap 20 finger Meguna’s Mahoraga with Red, yet Red wasn’t enough to even knock Sukuna out. Your point? Fire arrow + domain doesn’t solo Gojo just because it soloed Megumi’s Mahoraga
@@theodorable1425 wtf are you talking about bud? You compare gojo who never achieved anything he wanted to Sukuna who achieved everything he wanted 💀
Never said it kills gojo But it reduces gojo’s RCT alot and weakens him
Multiple Fire arrows of 20F is way lethal
15F fire arrow one tapped maho
20F fire arrow is muchhhhh Stronger due to Sukuna’s higher CE
And True form with 4 Arms + Weapons + Domain amp destroys gojo 🤷🏻♂️
But Sukuna didnt want to beat gojo without learning to cut infinity
Thats why he used maho
He didnt know 10S had maho until shibuya
But he wanted megumi back in s1 since he had the potential to hold him and become a Vessel and not a cage like yuji
This video made me realize that a 20F Yujikuna or Heian Era (pre-world slash) vs Gojo would’ve been a much more interesting fight. It wouldn’t have made sense for Sukuna to lose to Gojo with 10S. He was given the entire playbook, an adaption method that took most of the damage for him, experiencing UV for himself within Yuji’s body, being able to hide in the shadows, a Shikigami that can adapt to anything, that he can learn from, and a 1000 year old sorcerer telling him exactly how Gojo’s abilities work. He had plenty prep and all the counters needed to win.
Finally someone mentions it. People really seem to forget sukuna had a massive info advantage on gojo. Hence, sukuna had a game plan and gojo was just winging it.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg that's redundant bc it's just agreeing with the fact that gojo was outmatched in experience and intelligence. And then people whine about the fight being unfair when really what else was sukuna supposed to do? There was only one way to bypass infinity and sukuna took advantage of it like anyone else would
@@JohnDoe-si4eg exactly, honestly after fully understanding the context, Sukuna beating Gojo isn’t nearly as impressive as people make it out to be
@@JohnDoe-si4egthing is gojo would have lost in the domain battle if he didn’t go into the prison realm so you could argue if both had no prep time sukuna would have won
Hein era sukuna vs gojo would end mad quick, sukuna doesnt lose any of domain clashes and just violates him with his extra arms
Regardless of which form is the strongest, Itadori Sukana will always have the most aura
Facts. I wish sukuna would still act that mentally unstable and psychotic
I really liked Itadori Sukuna design way more than the other two, idk if that’s a hot take or not
Tf that mean
@@dragondeeznuttsu slow
megkuna was literally the most rawest jjk character 😭
It's a very easy question to answer. The narrator literally said the 4 arms form gives him an advantage over ANY sorcerer and then told us why - He is able to beat the breaks out of you, and also perform any of his techniques that are already powerful enough to one-shot you at the same damn time. Mahoraga isn't adapting from the shadows if his Sukuna gets slashed in half in the real world.
Issue with that is the Madoka deer has endless rct.
Also domain amplification would still work on the world slash.
So DA makes it a 3v1 against heian Sukuna, with agito, except Maho can't adapt for the brief instants DA is disabled.
So if Meguna times Kamutoke and lets Mahoraga adapt right as it hits, this means Heian Sukuna has no win cons left.
The world slash is deadly, but its not a be all end all
Edit:
I have come to new evidence. The world slash definitely would kill Mahoraga since Sukuna's domain amplification can't overcome strong CT's like even a normal blue from Gojo.
And the world slash is definitely above that.
But yeah heian era Sukuna (no world slash) vs Meguna still goes to Meguma
@@AnonTDegenerate it was stated in the recent chapters that they can't use DA to defend against a world cutting slash. It literally would one shot anyone in the verse.
The deer is not a counter to most things else it would've been used against Gojo in the fight. Instead it was fused into Agito.
@@AnonTDegenerate no one can tank world slash, u have to dodge
@@AnonTDegenerate The deer is already mix with agito
When you realize that current sukuna has world slash only because meguna was able to create it using ten shadows.
We forget that if Sukuna fought Gojo without 10 shadows Gojo would have never got the opportunities to use black flash, infinite void, and other techniques. Sukuna would’ve never been injured trying to adapt Mahoraga and Gojo… as he did would’ve still lost his Domain and Sukuna would’ve kept his since he was never on the defensive. Gojo would’ve died to a domain expansion.
@@jamestaylor2039if sukuna fought gojo without the 10 shadows, I don’t think he he would have been as successful.
@@darkallex88please elaborate as for the majority of their fight he was on defensive and he beat Gojo in the domain battles meaning with 1+ Domain Sukuna would’ve won without the 10shadows he would’ve had no need to ever go be the defensive Sukuna could’ve factually kept spamming domains. The RCT moment that gave Gojo .01 seconds would not have occurred.
@jamestaylor2039
Illogical, the domain battles might have been a bit harder but that's all. Gojo would still lose the clashes but beat Sukuna enough to shut MS down. Gojo wouldn't die to the domain expansions which would be Heian Era Sukuna's and any version Sukuna besides the current one's win condition. That's crappy odds against the same guy that stated he needed Mahoraga to be the role model to bypass infinity and even that was near impossible to do. You guys need to think more. Also don't bring up what Gojo said in the afterlife to Geto because that's just how he feels.
Sukuna acknowledges what he can and can't do
Gojo speculates what he can and can't do
Big difference
You do realized heian era Sukuna would've had his two weapons. we've seen what lighting does to a person like Hakari, Kamtoke had an even bigger lighting strike and the only reason Kashimo didn't die was due to his electricity resistance. If Sukuna broke Gojos domain and used Kamotoke on Gojo he would've died instantly due to infinity not working inside of domains.@@levbiggs
I like to think Meguna is the utility build while the Heian era is the berserker build. against opponents that can't be brought down with brute force alone Meguna is superior, but Heian era can overwhelm his opponents with his strength and additional limbs.
The thing about ten shadows is you gotta kill him quick because the longer the battle goes on the stronger he gets
TLDR sukuna is a pro while megumi is a noob
Yujikuna is way too overlooked ngl
Yujikuna >> Meguna (Physical wise)
Hax wise just goes to Meguna (via 10S)
@@Hanzo701 yujikuna is overlooked because true form sukuna is does what he does better, im not even sure if yujikuna is physically superior to meguna in the shinjuku showdown
@@carndela7032 Megumi's body is weaker than Yuji's, so a 15 finger yujikuna >> 15 finger meguna but I'd say shinjuku showdown meguna maybe higher
I think by the time Sukuna got Megumi's body, even tho its not stated, he had Nue inherit great snake, contributing to its massive size, the fact its tail turns into a snake, and Sukuna's Nue's eyes were similar to how Agito's were. Also, with him wearing the wheel, it was implied he can see through Yorozu's technique through the adaptation
Sukuna in Megumi’s body is like creator mode in a video game lmao
This is the best way to describe this 😂😂💀
Kashimo beat the shi outta em
You're my favorite JJK analyzer. Always look forward to your videos.
Thank you so much
He’s probably “stronger” per se in terms of power. But with ten shadows Sukuna is able to fight however he wants. He play defensive and stall you out like he did with Gojo and he can go fully on offense. He’s just way more tactical w ten shadow. Compared to Sukuna w full fingers that just gonna over power anyone. So in terms of would win I think it’d be 52/48 with a slight edge to ten shadows
beautiful analysis MrRedbull901
Nah...while using 10s sukuna can't use his own technique...and from my prospective cleave and dismantle with black box>>>> any of 10s animal & current sukuna with world cleave is a unstoppable force...so current sukuna over maguna anytime...oh and current sukuna is also physically stronger than maguna and with constant chanting goodness maguna have no change 😂
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 but maho can still world cleave? Not as freely but he definitely has some good offense
@@thatokpersonso????
Tf he gonna do 15 finger sukuna was dog walking maho
Plus he can still switch to using cleave or the shrine or even his domain whenever he needs too no?
What I love about jjk is that you can have a pre-final form version of a character who beats the strongest person in the verse and he’d unironically have better odds beating said strongest person then than if he were in his final form, it’s so complex and just cool, it opens the door for SOOO much discussion
Meguna is the best for fighting someone like Gojo or Takaba, who have very niche Cursed Techniques that can't be traditionally overwhelmed. But Heian is overall the best option. He's just overwhelmingly faster and offensively stronger in this form. Being able to do hand signs while chanting to strengthen his attacks WHILE he's beating the shit out of you is just way too strong. He hits harder with his bare hands than Mahoraga can (15F Sukuna was blocking punches with his fingers at some points in Shibuya)
Yeah heian sukuna too currently used 2-3 ce enhanced fingers as sword against yuta's sword.
Meguna is better only if he chooses to adapt and overcome a pesky ability
@@Czurcodmdude, yuta parried sukunas attack with his sword. Read the chapter again, it shows sukuna charging up an attack for yuta and he slashes his finger tip to deflect it.
Against takaba only kenjaku is useful
Bro heian era's irony that it repeats the thing manga keeps repeating: "Heian era is very powerful against everyone...BUT SATORU GOJO😭"
I can see why this is a debate but the manga has made it pretty clear than True form is superior or more like given statements and feats that shows why og form is superior. U got the narrator saying that the extra arms and mouth are the BIGGEST advantage a sorcerer can have and its makes sense. Got better raw strength and a signifcant speed boost. While it may seem like Meguna is superior due to its versatility in abilities I feel like og form Sukuna just wins cause of the edge the above mentioned stuff gives him. I feel like I'm forgetting something might edit this later if I remember it. The strongest of an era called it perfection before getting manhandled and waffled.
Sukuna the strongest sorcerer in history has access to one of the two strongest abilities in history but the casting and extra arms are stronger okay, and he doesn’t get a speed boost he just recovered from Gojos attack
Yeah it's THE biggest advantage as we saw gojo and utahime were able to amp their ct's to 120% when they didn't skip any hand sign and incantations. Meaning in his true form all his ct's are amped up to 120%. It's no brainer why Kashimo called him "perfection"
@@iaw0kened442he actually canonically gets a speed amp unless you think megumi's body = heian sukuna's body in physical stats
Physical stats doesnt mean much for speed from what we know. There isnt that much difference between megumis body and sukunas.@@Czurcodm
@@maxdavis7722 yeah, but that's the weird part. It's unexplained by megumi's (*yuji's 10 times stronger than him) has the same physical stats as heian sukuna. Maybe the ce is less after fighting Gojo, Kashimo, higuruma in succession who knows. Gege mostly leaves stuff unexplained
I'm gonna hold of on that decision until we see what "the shrine/ open ■" is fully capable of.
Dunno just feels like a gigantic checkovs gun since Gege is holding it back *this* long.
Yeah, it's the climax and he's getting more power ups instead of showing his true ct as if to amp him for fighting something even more stron-
(*sorry almost leaked the plot)
@@Czurcodm my headcanon is that the final battle will be Sukuna vs Yuji and Megumi and since both of them have been teased to be eventually able to reach Gojos level its gotta be something pretty broken cause 10S Sukuna had trouble with "one Gojo" so to speak...
Thats just me tho
Yeah but i dont think you should use this as an argument to define what Sukuna forma is stronger. Remember, Meguna stills sukuna. He still can use all his techniches include fuga.
@@nandes159 all of true form's ct's will be amped with incantations including the sure hit of his domain. Isn't it obvious which form is stronger?
@@Czurcodm Yes, but do you know how much it will increase? I personally don't know, and I don't believe anyone knows because it hasn't been revealed. But if I had to guess, it would be between 120%-130%. Which is a very good buff. But the ten shadows technique alone has already been established as being on the same level as unlimited, considering that Gojo himself said that Megumi could surpass him, and even gave the example of the two clan leaders who killed themselves in the past. So think, it's Sukuna, with all his skills, all his knowledge, cuts, domain expansion, fuga, and everything he hasn't yet shown + a technique that has already been established as being at an unlimited level of Gojo, being used with mastery by Sukuna. So no bro, it's not obvious which of the two versions is stronger, if it were there wouldn't be so much discussion.
Sukuna also can adapt to everything he sees himself he’s done it before in the series obviously not on the same level as mahoraga but sukuna is genuinely just that good
Sukunas adaptation prob just him learning the opponents CT and plan the most effective way to counter it, just like he took the long way and steal mahoraga to counter gojo. He doesn't become immune to their attack like mahoraga does
Super head cannon . Hes just a good fighter not a adaptation creature
He does adapt but that's not maho like adaptation where it gets fcking immune to the attack itself 😂
He adapts because of skill though, he can see how things work and break it down. Mahoraga can just become impervious to whatever hit him lol
Mahoraga is on a different level though, he can almost do anything, anyway.
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It's worth keeping in mind meguna can technically still use the world slash via mahoraga (as it's literally who he learned it from).
That's true lol😂
In defense of Gojo and the "Nah, I'd win" meme. Gojo said it before Sukuna took control of Megumi and the 10 Shadows. Without the adaptation hack, I don't clearly see how even 20 fingers Sukuna could pass through Gojo's infinity. Heian era Sukuna may perform better, but without Mahoraga being part of the fight, I think Gojo would have won at the end.
Domain expansion: Malevolent kitchen.
Gojo fries
I swear you bitches don't read lol like Gojo was hit by Meguna's sure hit 2 times and he had to use New Shadow Style and Blossom to survive and if he didn't damage Sukuna enough the other 2 times their domains clashed Gojo WOULD have died. Heian form almost doubles Sukuna's incantation speed making it even more likely that the sure hit will land, AND gives Sukuna better physicallity so it's harder for Gojo to damage Sukuna both inside and outside his domain. Literally Gojo's only win condition against Heian form is purple since Infinite Void is not landing naymore if Gojo barely landed it against Meguna he is not landing it against Heian form.
I don't really think we can say. Since we don't even know the extent of Sukuna's technique, we don't even really know what it is, other than the Arrow and Dismantle/Cleave. But considering Gojo said during his fight with Sukuna that he was holding back, then I'd assume that the Shrine Form is stronger, because it seemed like Gojo considered Sukuna's domain expansions to be a bigger threat than Mahoraga.
Yea 10 shadows is very specific to fighting Gojo and he doesn’t really need it for anyone else.
Yea like you said don’t know what Sukuna actual technique as well.
I think Mahoraga was the only threat to Gojo, he was tanking Sukuna's shrine and thinking to himself how his own technique is far superior, Mahoraga's wheel was the only thing that was a threat to Gojo
@@Rujewitbloodany other sorcerer would have died before reaching Mahoraga's adaptation, Mahoraga was only a danger to Gojo thanks to Sukuna, no one in jjk can tank Gojo's techniques except Sukuna
That’s not what gojo meant by “holding back”. He was upset because sukuna didn’t use his whole arsenal but because of infinity anything else in his arsenal besides DE and 10’s (specifically mahoraga) couldn’t bypass infinity so sukuna had no choice but to hold back.
@@traplaygames7274gojo never said he was holding back because of infinity and if that was the case gojo wouldn’t have said he doesn’t know if he could beat him without ts
Heian form Sukuna clears, unless it’s about developing new techniques. Then Mahoraga is invaluable.
Heian Form Sukuna > Meguna for strength/power
Meguna > Heian Form Sukuna for growth
Also it’s crazy that 10S allows you to hide in the shadows yet that usage is so incredibly underutilized by both Megumi and Sukuna.
Well when meguki fought that receipt dude it was stated there was no oxygen in the shadows, so that could be risky
Megumi*
I hate autocorrect
@@lazybones107 we not dying because of rct with this one
Not really, sukuna has much more versatility with ten shadows.
Hien Sukuna may have technical advantages but that is nowhere close to having one of the best CT of series.
Only reason sukuna didn't instantly win against gojo was because limitless is a very complex technique so requires multiple spin.
He can use the wheel to gain unfair advantages like completely removing any case of domain and can spam domain expansion.
Again gojo managed to equalize that just because his domain was almost guaranteed victory, but mahoraga had already adapted and megumi's soul took the burden of uv.
I think meguna easily wins , because how unfair mahoraga is
meguna is NOT physically stronger
I think people forget Meguna can also use shrine and the world cutting slash. And can switch to 10 shadows when needed. So I’ll pick Meguna overall.
Yeah, but no high speed, less ability in hand to hand, and no extra mouth. Gojo was winning hand to hand mostly because of speed, so this Sukuna would be at least as fast, if not faster than Gojo
@@vs-tm1ch No he was winning h2h cause hes more skilled not cause hes faster. Sukuna and gojo showed complete relativity in speed
at the point where meguna gets world cutting slash the 10 shadows is effectively dead.
@@ap_dreezy3019skill was there but speed did play role cause Gojo kinda has a little mini teleportation on his punches.
@@vs-tm1chtrue this. And people forget sukuna only got hit with infinite void because he was .01 seconds too slow on his domain. A hein era sukuna would’ve never been pushed that far and gojo most likely would’ve died in the next domain clash
12:00 he told kashimo to dodge it even with that he arm was cut off so it's not like he shot and kashimo dodged it just like that and mahoraga was able to take gojo black flashes because it already adapted to blue(gojo enhances his punches with blue)
The one issue I have with this is that Megkuna can freely switch between Shrine and 10 Shadows. Sure, he can't use both at the same time, but that is a massive advantage.
And thats the reason Gojo survived domain clashes. When he lost first two domain clashes his Limitless was temporarily down and he was using all his output for RCT to survive MS. Sukuna would've killed him with one high output Cleave but he wanted adaptation for calibrqtion of his CT. And in order to not cancel adaptation he didn't used his innate techniques other than whats granted to domain.
@@dedr0dedr029 bro ms already uses cleave, every cleave is meant to one shot the opponent , gojo survived because he kept restiching his body with rct, and how can he use his ct while using his domain anyway??
@@sohamchitkara2643 It is already explained how MS works. Attacks of MS is like small blades raining on you while Sukuna can adjust the dimensions and strength of the blade. And if the attacks of MS powerful as your statement than why Gojo got one shotted when he increased his CE output to %120 for final hollow purple.
@@dedr0dedr029 ?? first of all it literally says in the manga that ms uses cleave to cut up living beings and cleave automatically adjusts its power to the durability of the opponent. And there is no mention of 120 percent output cleave where are you getting this info. Sukuna just used the world slash
@@sohamchitkara2643 In the manga it says Dismantle attacks things without cursed energy and Cleave attacks things with cursed energy. It doesn't say Cleave calibrates itself to oneshot the opponent. And also it is true that in manga it doesn't say %120 about Gojo's output. It says Gojo's output rises because of the two black flashes and incantations. And we know that a sorcerer can increase his/her output up to %120 with black flashes. So %120 was just a estimate and it may be muh more than that.
Great video as always mere.
Ty brotha
He is definitely more rawly more like powerful in his normal form, but he is able to use his intelligence and play with his opponents with the ten shadows
The "no greater advantage" thing shouldnt be taken literally. What about 1000 hands? Surely better than 4. The point is that it allows a passive buff on top of your regular abilities instead of being two separate actions.
1000 hands still can't cut "space", maharaga was needed for that. But the on the other hand maharaga can't passively buff and attack at the same time. One is more specialized the other is more generally applicable
Sukuna in Megumi's body kind of has an unfair advantage with ten shadows because it can sacrifice Megumi's soul for Mahoraga's adaptation, under normal circumstances it's much harder to use Mahoraga. If it wasn't for that gojo could have one shot it.
7:00 literally had multiple domain clashes with sukanas domain breaking gojo domain from the out during their first clash with malevolent shrine.
We can’t really determine this until we see his actual curse technique. Which is still unknown.
Heian Sukuna absolutely clears Meguna in every category
I think in this video we all forget that Sukuna can still use 10 Shadows. The reason he doesn’t imo is because the bond between the divine dogs and Sukuna may be soul related due to the amount of time the divine dogs were with Megumi. Now if this statement is false the final divine dog now has the power of all the other destroyed shikigami including mahoraga. Sukuna still has 10 Shadows and if needed he could still choose to sink into the shadows the only reason he doesn’t is because he is fully aware that he has no need to go on the defensive. Should he need to vs Yuta or anyone in the upcoming gauntlet we will see 10 shadows again. Assuming he chooses to use it over other techniques in his shrine.
Most rational jjk fan ^
Totality with rabbit escape would be op
@@Hamzurgersadly rabbit escape can't inherit abilities since its infinite
He has used the divine dogs before, but decides that a partial summon is better since it makes them more sturdy.
I just don't think he can, he's fully incarnated. And if he could have had 4 arms 2 mouths with 10S I think he would have.
10S wins already, and Heian sukuna could win.
So combining the 2 makes it a 4v1 against Gojo.
No he can't use 10 shadows anymore
Bro took "the only one who can compete with me is myself" To a whole another level
10S was just a way to learn to cut infinity just as he said that he used maho as a model to cut infinity, And in chap 238 it was stated that 2 extra arms + extra mouth is the greatest advantage a sorcerer can have
so basically its even better than 6 eyes ad with his weapons he is unmatched
without a doubt
heian era sukuna destroys Meguna(without space slash) and yujikuna
current Sukuna is the strongest tho
Still that 4 arms is said to be unwanted and not talent is ridiculous
great video bro
In my eyes They have the same stats, With True Form having more advantages in basic jujutsu with the Additional Arms and Mouth, like the narrator had said.
True Form is hyped up as Having a one up over any other sorcerer because of such.
True Form >~ MegumiKuna > Yujikuna
yup. That statement from the narrator made it clear that this isn't even a question.
It’s likely they don’t have the same stats
Same stats? I'll have what you're smoking!
Definitely not the same stats as heian sukuna's body is a Lot Lot superior to megumi's (*even yujikuna has quite better physical stats than meguna tbh but he makes up for it by jumping his opponents imao)
6:30, the thing is the nue he had was Nue with the serpents power, like it has a giant tail and its face doesn't match the one of Nue. Meaning we don't know how much of a power boost sukuna gave it or if the new Nue would just always be that strong. because we see that the dogs combined are many times stronger then them being separate. You might say "MAhoraga was obviously stronger" and that's true, but the three times mahoraga was summoned he was mid adapting to a persons stats aswell. Like when he was summoned against Yorusu he was definitely stronger then Megumi's, but he also took multiple attacks by Yoruzu meaning his stats would have been increased because of him adapting to take the blows. Also they are shikigame, not Cursed spirits. Like nowhere has it been said that more cursed energy means stronger Shikigame, they are living things that get summoned by a user, they are the same always, the elephant Megumi summoned in the school fighting arc is the same as in culling game.
12:00, Sukuna actually says "Look out" before even starting his cut, meaning Kashimo definitely had more time then what normally would be provided.
13:35, we actually don't know if its needed, we have seen it 3 times, only once has he shown to use incantations, while once he had 1 arm and saying incantations would spark suspicion in gojo. So saying it as true is not right.
The manga already answer that Sukuna true form is the perfection.
If you go with the manga the manga also said that meguna form was more suited and was better for fighting sorcerors
Right. That’s what I’m saying. I’m prettt sure hein era has already been blatantly stated stronger even if meguna is better in specific matchups.
@@user_named_alan True however in this case it is the narrator Who talked. Gege outright said that true form Sukuna is perfection and there is no greater advantage for a sorcerer to have this type of body.
It’s just obvious original form is better since it’s what he is used to. More hands, more tools, more chants, more ways output ct. it’s just hands down an upgrade.
@@user_named_alan hein era sukuna is blatantly the best version of sukuna he's already no diffing sorcerers in this form
For those who wonder at what minute the answer lies, its at 17:52
i thought that the general sentiment was, sukuna only used meguna as a means to kill gojo tactically and that that was the only edge meguna had over heian. Meguna is just a tactical matchup to kill gojo efficiently and nothing more. Overall heian is just so overwhelmingly powerful that the tactical advantages meguna provides are negligible
meguna has a literal 2nd curse technique. Are we honestly saying that heian era sukuna can make up for a 2nd curse technique. Meguna can do everything he can do + plus more
@@pyroflamekid7412 Heien would win easily in hand to hand combat, due to extra arms and ability to use cleave/dismantle while fighting. Plus he can do chants to buff the strength and range of his attacks, making his slices way stronger than Meguna. Not to mention Kamutoke, which would one shot any shikigami except for Mahoraga. Plus fire arrow, which has one shotted mahoraga before and would do it again. Then the speed and strength different in favor of Heien Sukuna. Only thing Meguna has is versatility, but all that versatility is lost when all the attacks are easily stopped.
cant megumi sukuna also use the form with extra arms and stuff?@@atomict7138
@@pyroflamekid7412 except in order to use his arsenal fully, meguna has to limit himself. Meguna couldn't use shrine or his other cts while adapting etc. Sure he has a literal 2nd curse technique, but you're ignoring the nuance of using it to its full potential. It's not an unconditional second power boost, it has its limitations which is why i think general heian sukuna's raw power is just better overall.
It was the only way to win for Sukuna. Plot device to deveat Gojo, just like every single thing in JJK that counters Gojo. ISOH, Prison Realm, even Mahoraga. All those were immediately discarded seconds after they achieved their plot purpose.
Gege is honestly shitty writer because of that, he shouldn't create Gojo and put him in JJK verse and those elements I mentioned are the reason why
You just gained a sub (from me) This video was amazing
🤔 10 Shadows was 10 toes down so I'm going with him
facts
The sound quality changed or lowered in volume around 10:10
Just a heads up
Tbh Sukuna true form >>>
Cap. Mahogora would of adapted plus image if gojo limitless+ ten shadows vs true form
@@UcffrUyfdxx How is he adapting if his Sukuna immediately gets his hands grapped and his head slashed in half with the second set of arms and mouth?
@@UcffrUyfdxx Uhh are we forgetting 15 Sukuna violated Mahoraga. depends if Gojo can keep up the infinity gaurd while using 10s which I imagine not. If infinity gaurd isn't up bro is not having a good fight. We haven't even seen og form Sukuna go all out. Bro is just playing around rn
yea but with other sukuna there it wouldn not happen plus mahorage can adapt even if hes dies@@rand12389
@@rand12389 no.but we then see good fighting mahoogra and Sukana shrine. And it stated Susan couldn't threw limitless with shrink but copied a model from mahgora. Susana admitted that. And if Susana and gojo have the same level of CR RCE and Domain. I m pretty sure gojo six eyes allow him to use bare minimum ce. So yes GOJO + maghorage > Suskana +, mahogroage
I feel like current sukuna is just too op, its obviously the better one in my opinion. Heian era sukuna vs meguna is a more fair matchup. W vid
Meguna would low diff Heian era
@@yazouruaim694 I doubt it, he's way better in a fight against gojo specifically cuz he a better matchup. Against a random enemy or each other its way closer. just my opinion tho
@@godlyomen10 Current Sukuna has brain damage, he can't use Domain expansion. By that exact reason Meguna low/diffs. But if we let him have one then it can go either way.
The answer is: Ten shadows (Gojo Fans)
The answer is: Shrine/Heian (intellectuals)
Agreed
Real.
😂😂😂 exactly
They are still crying
Nice analysis
Great Video as always 👍🏽
I would personally give a slight edge to Meguna over Heian era sukuna because Meguna also has a one time use health replenishment other than RCT. We know that in the beginning of his fight with Kashimo, Sukuna resumed his incarnation into his prime body to heal himself without rct. That was a Meguna feat because prime sukuna does not have that ability in his bag
So you're making it Heian Sukuna vs Heian Sukuna...
Haha I guess
Video was great. Keep up the good work👍
While i agree shrine sukuna > megkuna, i have to say i like 10 shadows, specifically Mahoraga, a lot for a completely crazy reason.
It basically shows how broken Orihime could have been with Shun Shun Rikka with it being debatable if SSR is better. Mahoraga adapts to all phenomena whole SSR rejects all phenomena. We see it's so damn busted, it can fully resurrect someone, to being able to withstand Yhwach's attacks. What kept its offensive capabilities so low was Origime's lack of killing intent. All of her will and power came from her desire to protect people (also a great way to keep an otherwise broken ability from being well....broken lol).
But Mahoraga kind of shows what someone with the ability to literally reject ANYTHING from happening could be like.
Completely random ik lol. Love the content as always ❤
6:45 is incorrect, if you see at it's tail it's the combination (totality) of nue and great serpent since if you saw the anime/manga in the sukuna vs megumi fight sukuna killed great serpent which made the totality activate and give nue a part of gs ability
Sukuna: nah I’d win.
Megkuna: nah i’d win.
2:19 You can Yuta & Kenjaku both do, but he had his domain amplification going on, so that's why he couldn't use both
It’s not logical to just assume sukana gains power from his body coming back, it’s not like his CE increases and the pure physical strikes aren’t shown to be stronger
I would say he a little stronger. Gojo might be the only person doesn’t physically matter as much. For everyone else it makes fighting much easier for him especially if it’s multiple people. There are benefits say he wasn’t trying to learn from Mahoraga and had this form he drop a domain with hand signs and chants, that could have ended Gojo right there, he could add 80%-100% on 120% domain buff.
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Chants don't work for domains LMAO
Well, his CTs become stronger because he can constantly do hand signs and chants. So maybe his domain would be stronger than gojos domain, and he probably wouldn't win his clashes so gojo would lose maybe.
@@marcioamaral7511 Why would they not never seen anything saying they don’t
@@terencebarnes7393like he said chants don’t work for domains, if you have trouble understanding why, then you haven’t been paying attention to the story and using a lot of head cannon theories to interpret events
at 6:40, that wasn't Nue, it was Nue + the great serpent totality, which is why its size is soo large. I'm not actually sure the size of Sukuna's summons are larger than that of Megumi's. The rabbits were the same size, and so was the elephant. Mahoraga seems to be larger, but i'd personally attribute that to inconsistent art from Gege.
i mean "meguna "exists literary to only combat gojo,the reason he even took megumi's body is so that he can beat gojo,sukuna knew he would get cooked by gojo in his own form,also he survived gojo's domain only because he had megumi's soul to otherwise he was cooked then and there
False sukuna already wanted megumi body in first season so mahoraga wasn't in the equation.
Plus if he was fighting without 10 shadow he wouldn' have cancelled the sure hit effect of his domain on himself
@@jasonmagnes4467 Sukuna wanted Megumi body BECAUSE he could sense Mahoraga and the potential of 10 shadows
@@bna919 No he couldn't sense mahoraga, he litterally discovered his existence in shibuya df you're smoking ? He was interested in megumi because he wanted to try his cursed technique and because he deemed megumi's body as a good vessel, better than itadori that he couldn't overtakr
@@jasonmagnes4467 he didn't know about Mahoraga but he could sense him like oh there's something really powerful in this random sorcerer
I have often seen this misconception in the fandom that "Sukuna made Nue Huge"... No he didn't that's not Nue, that's a Totality between Nue and The Great Serpent. You can CLEARLY see the massive serpent tail here(6:44)
Sukuna didnt need 10s for Gojo.
It wa confirmed by Gojo that Sukuna was fighting riskier just so Mahoraga could adapt.
Sukuna already cut Gojo up in the domain and was going hand to hand with him with domain amplification. Sukuna also tanked 2 amped purples where Mahoraga couldnt survive one. And then sukuna said he only needed Maharoga for a model to improve cleave. Even Gojo almost taking out Sukunas heart, lungs and liver didnt do anything and Sukuna was still alive.
It seems like Sukuna couldve killd Gojo any time in the domain clash including when he touched Gojo in his own domain.
Great Argument but it was a 3 v 1 the entire fight sukuna can only beat Gojo if mahoraga there to explain how to cut through Gojo infinity without Mahoraga sukuna loses you also have to take in account Gojo can't use hollow Purple at full power cause he risk killing everyone around him
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But there was no one around him. Are you saying hollow purple amped at 200% isnt full power?
Plus maybe you missed the point. Sukuna didnt need to cut through infinity to beat Gojo. After Sukuna cut up Gojo in the domain clash, all Sukuna needed to do was add fire arrow in the mix. Gojo cant heal with rct and prevent fire arrow with infinity at the same time. Even if he could, that would create enough of a distraction for Sukuna to easily blitz Gojo and rip out his heart with domain amplification.
You also cant complain about being a 3v1 when it's all part of the 10s technique and Sukuna is in a 5v1 now against Jujutsu high students
@@cumseesnope, Sukuna used Mahoraga because he wanted a Power up, he could have won anyway, after chapter 230 he could have been reincarnated by healing his wounds and Gojo would have died, but he wanted to keep the reincarnation because he knew he would have to fight the other sorcerers, and in any case the excuses of 3 vs 1 no longer count, considering that Sukuna is fighting literally all the sorcerers, and he knew he would have to fight the other sorcerers after Gojo, if it was really a 1 vs 1 from the beginning I would have agreed with you, but it was never a 1 vs 1 on both sides
Correct sukuna don't just wanted to kill gojo but to also evolve his cleave technique....if he want to kill gojo, gojo would be long die in like 5 chapter or in the 1st domain clash
@@enma8441 not understanding what makes you think there weren't people in almost every building Gojo said he's Gojo blame sukuna for the destruction he going cause we saw at the beginning of the series where todo and yuji fight and gojo throws a hollow Purple no where near full power the same would be said with Gojo hollow Purple not at full power and the 10 shadows technique wouldn't have enough power or curse energy to go against gojo Mahoraga went toe toe with 15s sukuna and couldn't mahoraga the a hollow Purple 5s sukuna couldn't touch gojo sukuna needed to adapt to infinity could barely touch gojo at 5s and gojo was proven to beat sukuna in combat multiple times and couldn't be truly killed without world cutting slash and wouldnt need to use limitless and rt at the same time he could use either then again you could always use the counter claim of domain amp but my point would till stand
So in Yu-gi-oh terms, Gojo had an effect that made him untargetable but Sukuna essentially turned himself into a Mirror-jade and gave himself a non-targeting monster banish... Dope
In my opinion sukina was just using ten shadow because he wants to learn amd improve his technique
Sukuna cant use domain amplification and adapatation at the same time,
Gojo was having advantage in hand gi hand vecause he is using blue to make his punch harder
Domain amplification can decrease the effect of blue,
When sukuna uses DA we see that he constantly keep up pretty well against gojo
When he is adapting and turn of DA we see he consistently gets beaten up by gojo
Gojo only hits sukuna with UNLIMITED VOID because he is too injured that it takes 0.01 second slower for him to use his domain expansion,
However sukuna who consistently uses DA may be able survive the domain clash and not be damaged so much that he gets injured that his injury slowed his adaptation
And gojo would run out of DE and sukuna would the clash
"But if sukuna can just win with DA and hand to hand,why did he let himself get beat up adapting to it?"
Here is the thing i never said that sukuna would always win in h2h with DA against gojo,i said MAY its basucally its 50/50 there is a possibility where sukuna with DA completely survive the clash long enough that UV gets destroyed before gojo damage him enough and he doesnt get the domain slowing injury, there is a possibility it whete sukuna doesnt,
Meanwhile adapting with mahoraga to UV is 100 confirmed way of surviving unlimited void
So which one is better,(using hand 2 hand combat and your full capability to try your best to win a 50/50 survival chance in battle,or get yourself get beaten up for a while and gain 100 percent survival after the adaptation is done
That wouldn’t make sense, Sukuna tried to kill Gojo the moment he thought he had the advantage of him with the domain.
He can't use adaptation and DA at the same time is pauses which is why he held back from using DA in the tied clashes and reduced his own durability to speed up the adaptation process
@@dopekingziihe was giving the bare minimum effort though. We gojo says - "it brings me joy To see you trying so hard" sukuna says - "not as hard as you" plus he mostly played defence as his entire gameplan was to tank all of gojo's attacks and adapt to them.
16:36 one thing i think is interesting and another reason why i think 10 shadows sukuna is the strongest fighter we have ever seen is that people forget sukuna didnt even create the world cutting cleave. It was mahoraga. Mahoraga can use the technique and that was just the begining of its adaptation. He didnt need hand signs or any sorta chant he just sent it out. Imagine what it could do given more time it could probably even do the waffle iron (the attack that killed kashimo)
Ten Shadows are effectively equal to the Limitless, and Gojo himself outright stated his technique is superior to Sukuna's shrine techniques while tanking its barrage of slashes: ergo, Meguna beats Heian Era Sukuna, as Gojo would have. Only through Maharaga's example on how to bypass Infinity did Sukuna gain the world-cutting slash (stating himself he COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT without the wonderful model provided by Maharaga), thus elevating current four-armed Sukuna. World-cutting slash is the only thing actually putting Sukuna in ANY form above Limitless, so... yea; whatever version has the space-cutting slash wins, plain and simple.
Imagine if Prime Heian era Sukuna had Shrine (Including World-cutting slash) and the Ten Shadows technique: 🤯
The Gojo gobblers are back. 🤦🏿♂️
Go read chapter 236 again.
Gojo himself knew he couldn’t reach Sukuna and that Sukuna didn’t give the fight his all. His exact words.
Please give it a rest.
Gojo fans will forever cope and cry😂
@@CertainlyCynical
It’s absolutely sad seeing them grasp at straws. The man is called, “The King Of Curses” for Christ sakes. He’s a walking calamity and his understanding of jujutsu runs deep.
Now this fight with Rika, King Vs Queen, this fight will be crazy as hell and in my opinion will be a lot closer.
He might even push my boy Okkotsu, to a different level of understanding and power.
I’m so hyped. 😭😭😭
I think the best way to explain dimensional slash is like ripping the paper when two stick characters are fighting one with a circle drawn around them.
If they were up against each other Megkuna would actually wreck Shrine Kuna for a few reasons. Mahaorga would be resistant to the slashes because he's made from Sukuna curse energy. He could see the slashes and adapt easily because of how simple the attack is. So Megkuna would have the advantage.
why wouldn't he just kill mahoraga the same way he did before? high enough output that there's no chance of adaptation
@@pestydesperado8771 because this Mahoraga is far more stronger than the one he faught for three reasons. It's Sukuna summoning him so he's amped by Sukuna's curse energy, he's resistant to Sukuna's cursed energy being summoned by him, and he's protected by Sukuna.
@@diamantemrobinson that's an assumption, and not a bad one, but the manga never tells us that, and he seems to work so differently from the other shikigami.
@@pestydesperado8771 you can actually see the difference in Mahaorga's power from when Megumi summoned him and Sukuna. The shikigami of the ten shadows reflect their summoner which is why Sukuna tells Mahaorga he's his shadow not Megumi's. So on top of the buff in power granted by Sukuna he's more durable from attacks dished out by Sukuna as well since he has his curse energy. Remember Mahaorga even used Sukuna's own ability on Gojo.
@@diamantemrobinson Shine Form would body regardless.
Malevolent Shrine from that form is so much stronger thanks to the chantings Sukuna can perform. And if they were to face eachother, Mahoraga would be literally confused asf and probably not fighting at all, both are sukuna afterall and have control over Mahoraga.
Shrine Form Flame Arrow + Malevolent Shrine would end Mahoraga completetly again
@8:38 this is a real long winded way to say he was knocked out lmao 😂😂😂
Pretty sure hein era is just blatantly stated stronger. Meguna is simply more versatile especially against extreme gg hax abilities where his opponent allows him to adapt. And even then gojo still won against meguna and only lost to sukuna’s world slash AFTER beating ten shadows
7:25 is also wrong it's not piercing blood it's max elephant's water being used in pressure, like the ones used to cut throught metal in the real world
I mean while Gojo dod say sukuna was holding back even with 10 shadows, he literally needed mahoraga as a model to bypass infinity as even stated BY HIMSELF
Depends, if true form sukuna can't use 10s as the ct is etched onto megumi's brain which is gone with his body and replaced with sukuna's heian brain. Then he'd just use the domain after gojo's brain fried by reincarnation and kill gojo
Didn’t the shrine sukuna get his world slash from the use of the adaption from mahoraga??
Before i finish the video,id probably go for megumi sukuna.This feels like yujikuna vs meguna but amplified.While true form sukuna outstats in h2h,the sheer volume of hax gives meguna the advantage.
Like theres a reason sukuna took megumis body even though yuji was stronger.Instead of trying to outbox gojo in domain clash or while using amplification,10 shadows was a better pick
Do you guys even read the same show? Narrator literally said heian era Sukuna has an advantage over any sorcerer.
@@Steez224 The statement was in reference to the efficiency of combat and jujutsu.
If you take this statement at face value,sukuna with extra mouth and arms>sukuna with ten shadows+every CT in the verse.Its not a literal statement
I'd say meguna is better for countering certain techniques like the infinity but sukunas true form is the best overall when it comes to overpowering opponents quickly
@@amogus1415 Except no sorcerer has Ten Shadows plus every other CT and I'm pretty sure the narrator would tell us they are now the strongest sorcerer in the verse. It's a very literal statement until we are told otherwise.
@@Steez224 That's not what the statement says."For a sorcerer,there is no greater advantage than having twice the number of mouths and hands"So it's talking in hypotheticals.Its saying there's nothing you can do better than having 2 mouths and 4 hands.
Great video
Someone with six eyes limitless and 10 shadows would be unstoppable
You don’t need all that you just need to be Sukuna
Not really. Megumi at best was grade 1. He wasn't able to fully master the ten shadow. Gojo before his awakening didn't even have a domain and reverse cursed technique. At the end of the day if you don't have a proper mindset you'll never amount to anything as sorcerer. Someone like that would at best be geto level.
@abel9888 No shit. We're not talking about a random fodder who doesn't know what they're doing
2 ct's ? Like a cross breed or something? What are the odds for such a guy to be born? (*Once every 10000 yrs or smth)
@@abel9888bro was suicidal, talk about mindset 😑
Its simple really the best way to put it is that Meguna is better at fighting complex enemies while Heian era Sukuna is better at dealing with more enemies attacking him at once can't even imagine him with shrine too
If meguna was stronger, sukuna wouldn't have switched to his original body
He couldn't use 10 shadow at this time and leader to heal
Great video ❤
Thank you bro!
You did NOT watch the video that fast
@@sixfromtokyo😂😂
I don't think its fair to give world cutting slash to true form sukuna because 10 shadow sukuna can also use world cutting slash, infact he needed moharaga to learn it in the first place.
Also , I don't know why your referring his true form as 'shrine' as 10 s sukuna can still use menavlent shrine
btw the wheel above sukunas head was adapting for MAHARAGA not sukuna
It's like the old saying, "The best defense is a good offense."
Before the video I was quite sure about megumi sekuna being stronger. I think he still didn't reach his heights.
I think it might be possible to combine Maharagoa with other shicugami.
I think it might be possible to use abilities of 10sh yourself (insane positive energy, weel adaptations, elecricity)
I think Shadows could be utilized to higher extend - to hide weapons, to jump oponentt (ofc), to dodge attacks or even to hide
I didn't think megumi sucuma is restricted in his schrine mode at all, besides his effiency, speed - number of slashes casted at once (due to his extra hands and mouths) but that he restriced himself, because he found out his slashes cannot cut thought infinity and so that he could trick gojo into beliving he need to use hand sights to cast them - like he did for fist time.
Now I think in his prime form his slashes can propably also be more devastating + casting speed and efficienty. Which still leads me to believe that meg.sukuna is suprerior. But I admit it would be fair to add weapons to prime sukuna, unfortunately we dont know much about them. Sukuna also seems to hide his abilities.
Bro completely forgot to mention that Meguna can still use shrine dis/cleave and the world cutting GG slash it’s not as effective as his original form by any means and I think in verse his original form is superior but anything we saw 15f yujikuna do is possible for meguna
Facts 😂 gojo and sukuna had about no less than 3 domain clashes and gojo was getting cut up lol the fact he wasn’t even transformed yet when he gave gojo his last words after the spacial slash 😂
finally a non member only video.
whyd the audio get quiet as hell at 10:10
I may have missed this but how is agito a mix of the snake when sukuna ripped it apart. Is there a regeneration period for "dead" shikigami where the user has to do the taming ritual again?
The thing about JJK fights is that skill sets compatibility in fights is very important. Someone fighting Ten shadows form might be better off fighting the Heian form and vice versa. For instance, Yuji can punch and kick Sukuna all he indefinitely, how would that go against Mahoraga though🧐see what I mean?
Also, I think the fire arrow was something out of Yuji’s arsenal. That said I suspect Yuji’s cursed technique is Free Manipulation of cursed energy. This explains why he hasn’t used the fire or anything similar since, as well as explaining why Sukuna said that Kenjaku was ‘nasty’ when fighting Yuji and Megumi. Because the amount of skill it would take to master such a limitless ability is far beyond Yuji’s capabilities. We also know that Sukuna can make the most of whatever host body he is in while still being able to use his own technique. Idk I think I’m spittin🫣
You're overthinking it my friend 😊
@@Czurcodm damn you think so?🥲
it should be quite obvious his true form is physically superior on top of already being nonstop amped to 180% by hand seals and incantations.
Meguna(19fingers)+10 shadows(all of them) vs Heian sukuna(fp)
Strengh:Heian sukuna
Speed:Heian sukuna
Durability:Meguna+10 shadows
Endurance:Meguna+10 shadows
Iq:both
B/iq:both
Ce reserves:Heian sukuan
Ct:Meguna+10 shadows(shrine and 10 shadows are close tecniques but meguna got both but just slightly weaker shrine)
Ce control:heian sukuna
Ct control:heian sukuna
Hax:meguna+10 shadows
Body(height,weight and anormalities like 4 arms):heian sukuna
Domain:heian sukuna
Rct:heian sukuna
Black flashes:heian sukuna
Attack:Meguna+10 shadows(its close)
Defense:Meguna+10 shadows
Heian sukuna wins mid-high diff
Sound issue around 10:08, your voice gets much quieter.
Good video though!
Also. Keep in mind sukuna literally warned kashimo of the attack before he dodged making it more of a sukuna feat as kashimo, fully on guard and expecting and attack to come, could only barely dodge it
Love your content Mere, background music was too loud. Had to focus to hear your voice.
The wheel on sukuna's head still just makes Mahoraga adapt to The thing nto sukuna btw.
just saying… sukuna would have stayed as megumis body if gojo didn’t fry it. he’s been excited for having megumis since the start of the series for a reason lol
Heian Era hasn’t been pushed yet so we don’t know yet. We’re probably going to see him do some heinous stuff gains the rest of the cast
I see it as Meguna > Haien Sukuna for Gojo specifically
Sukuna knew how Gojo’s abilities worked from Kenjaku and created a game plan based off of it, hence Mahoraga, who showed him how to do it
I think people misinterpreted Gojo’s doubt in the afterlife, in Gojo’s PoV, his death was instant and unexpected with seemingly no build up in advance. I see it as Gojo thinking that could have happened at any time at anytime. Sukuna even sorta debunks Gojo’s claims immediately in the panels afterwards.
Though either one of them beats Gojo Post-World Cutting slashes
I do love this fight alot though since there is so many ways to interpret so many moments in it
Sukuna said he needed maho to bypass infinity, that doesn't debunk anything tbh as true form doesn't skip anything from hand signs to incantations (*we already saw how gojo and utahime amped their ct to 120% when they didn't skip anything)
Meaning heian sukuna has all his ct's amped up to 120% and Gojo's sure hit tied with Meguna's alone, heian sukuna would've outright won all the domain battles.
(*Plus if the reincarnation replaced megumi's brain with his body too which it technically should then sukuna could've reincarnated and used DE to kill gojo anytime after the 5th clash)
Correct me if I’m wrong, sukuna didn’t have the world cutting slash in his heian era form, it was with the help of Mahoraga and gojo that he awakened the world cutting slash. Obviously the final sukuna we see is the best of his heian era form due to the wcs.
Meguna basically because he has two techniques he can flip flop between the 10 Shadow or his technique whatever that is.
He can basically hide in the shadows lets his minions do the work and learn from it
If it wasn't for Gojo being so insanely powerful entire cast will be done for
Maho alone solos the majority of cast
I feel Meguna is a lot more stronger because of the shadow style summons. The more utilities a Jujutsu sorcerer has, the deadlier they become. While his actual form is more damage oriented. Being able to use chants and hand signs increasing the output of his “Shrine” curse technique
I think narratively heian is stronger with lore but feats wise 10 shadows wasn’t even used to it’s limits yet and surpasses the limitless and six eyes