This channel is golden and that swar video I've linked like 100 times on space pool discord. But every time I watch sloth's hardware videos I'm made aware of all my bad choices and there is a lot of them xD
I feel really lucky that i have found you on youtube, i already joined the discord and hopefully i can get more info there as well and in the future be able to help others! thanks for you videos and the time you put on them, really apreciated them!
thank you so much for your videos, so much positivity from your explanations. Despite Chia being like 700 USD low, almost zero chance to get any chia rewards, hdd prices extremly high - you make me plot more and more. lol. 500 plots and no luck. 3000 USD in HDDs alone and this gamble is like addiction. Thank you again, keep up making such great content. / started Velociraptors route - like 9h per plot, not bad for 10k drive/.
Hey can you please make a video on farming how it works !? Do we have to keep increasing the storage every time a plot moves from temporary storage to a farming process !? And how much time it takes to farm 1 plot...or is it ever lasting process !? There is very little info on farming can you please explain it...
The prices have gone way up (like everything), but Fusion-IO PCIe SSDs are pretty good for plotting. I picked up a 1.2TB model for ~$120 and it has 20 PB of write endurance. The catch is it chugs power with its pile of NAND and dual FPGAs. 25 watts from PCIe slot and more if you connect its supplemental power cable. Works perfectly in Windows though.
As a side node the 1280 GB versions are just dual 640 GB flash drives (MLC), each 640 GB drive easily handles 2 plots (with a time offset). I picked up another 640 for $100 (damn price increase) so I can do 6 plots at once with my 6C/12T 8700k.
Dude, you are awesome! Please keep up the videos. I have been watching since you started making videos on chia, honestly I am jealous with your knowledge and motivation! Haha keep going mate 👍👍👍 love from Australia.
Hi Bro! I dig your chia videos. Your level of detail is awesome...Question - what's the best, & cheapest solution to keep my desktop PC that runs my chia farm up and running if the power goes out?
Impressed with how you research and find use in older hardware. This is the way to go! You must make a lot of money from your Amazon affiliate links, since every time I click on one of the links they are sold out! Regarding raid 0, since ssd and nmve drives are super fast and have literary no access time, there is no real use of doing raid on them. But for mechanical drives, surely a raid 0 setup (that stripes data over the drives) would make them (much?) faster than single drives?
Thanks for all the videos! I discovered chia a couple days back and have been going over your guides and learning a lot. I have wanted to build a home server for a long time so this was the push I needed. I picked up a refurbished rack mounted system today as well as some 10k drives similar to the ones you've mentioned. I'm looking forward to delivery so I can do some building! I can link you the specs if you are willing to take a brief look and tell me what you think? I'll use it for something fun, regardless.
I purchased a HPE H240 SAS-3 12Gbps HBA Host Bus Adapter but cant get through the Bios problem of them loading. I keep getting something about smart cache not working. But when i did boot it and saw my sas drives in the disk managment. I could not partition them because of an I\O error... Not sure how to fix it.
I got the same conclusion that you about SAS before you published your video and I can confirm that what you say about plotting on SAS disks is true and I have around one month plotting on mechanical HDDs.
I have a 5950x, 32GB 3600 RAM, one 3,8 TB SDD and some external HDD (and the Asus prime x570-pro). I'm doing around 16 plots per day... The problem is that I can't use the full ssd storage, because it gets way too slow. If I try to add more, id should work in theory, but I find my system crashed the next day. It never uses more than 80% RAM when I check, but if I add more (because of more plots for instance) something doesn't work right. Now I have great potential, but if I buy now just the nvme I need (970 1 TB * 4), I will be bankrupt lol. It would be more expensive than your recommendations. So what should I do from here on?
Thank you! Can you give us the configuration of T5810 with 2699? Many threads did you use? and How many jobs in phase 1? I can only reach 32 plots with 2T nvme ssd and 3.84T SAS ssd.
Yes, it would be extremely helpful. I've been using my old Dell t7910 2x e5-2680 v3 24 cores/48 threads, 128gb ram, 2tb SSD and 9x SAS drives. It can easily run 16 plots (7 on SSD, 9 on individual drives) at once but doing that many slows the total time from 11 hours to 19 hours so I'm still under 2TiB/day.
Would be ideal if you could make a video what would be the ideal setups for long term chia storing. Like small pc with low power consumption with multiple internal USB hubs + External 7-16 USB Hubs to USB drives each with its own 12V PSU (provided in the box), vs Server with lots of PCIe with HBA + Xpanders (that allow stagger power up the hdds).
I raided my 2 2tb nvmes off the bat and see my current bottleneck is the ssd IO. This video helps a lot , I'm going to try splitting my nvmes tomorrow . Thank you Sloth Tech TV! *sidenote, I'm in IT so messing with this Chia has improved my skills :P Fun stuff
@@Some1_No1 I'm using swar chia manager and having issues getting both working at the same time,splitting workloads evenly.Changing settings again. Ill try to update after
@@Some1_No1 I didn't notice much of a difference after the change. Now I'm pretty certain the bottle neck is that I purchased pcie 3.0 nvme instead of 4.0 T.T lol, it's like double the write/read speed of 3.0 when running x4. I'm running them through a pcie 3.0 x4 adapter, straight from the motherboard
@slothtechtv, Great video. You mention the PSU to Sata cables, were you saying not to use two strings of cables on a psu or not to daisy chain one string to another string and then to psu? Or were you also saying not to use two strings of sata connectors on a psu even if on different psu connections. I see why not to daisy chain because the full power amount won’t hit all drives on the chain. I did notice in my past years not to use all four splits on my drives, did not work so well, at times one of my drives would disappear. If I stayed with three drives then none of my drives disappeared. Have you had similar problem with four drives on one string?
The hba cards, does it make a difference plotting wise if its x8 or x16 and on pcie 2.0 or pcie 3.0? I mean 16 drives would take up alot of bandwidth, right? Wont it be a bottleneck?
I can personally tell you that RAID0ing two 2TB NVME m.2 SSD drives greatly enhanced my performance. I went from plotting 18 a day to 25 a day. I raided them with ubuntu linux mdadm. I will say since you're making 2 drives 1 this makes 1 job in swar instead of 2 jobs with 2 ssds. I think this also greatly enhanced the performance so it would not kick off two jobs at once so there was a better stagger as well. But if there's a way to stagger two jobs so they don't kick off at the same time that would be a good test to see if it was solely the RAID0
Is there a good HP dual processor system to look for? Also, did you say how many of the 10K SAS drives you used in your system? To get to 40 plots per day, does than mean you have roughly 12-18 of these drives?
In the same way you did Swar plot manager video, can you do a run down of all of the "config.yaml" settings and values. So that we may fully be competent with: *Chia CLI command line interface.* Running on an ubuntu server.
Great job, thanks. But there is one question. When I finish the plotting process, can I use any other PC (example, AMD Athlon X64 with DDR2 RAM) just for the mining process? Or my mining PC must be better? Is there any minimum hardware requirements just for mining with pre-created plots? Thanks
I already buy your HW (SAS card, kabel and 4x sas10k) i run on i78700k, 32GB Ram, and MSI B360 MB. its runing, one plot in 11,5 hour. But when i start 4 plot on this 4 drives together, always only finish one pcs :( another 3 was frozen :( you know why? :(
I'm really tempted to play around with SAS drives and HBA controllers because it sounds really fun and interesting but I don't actually plan to add more plotting power at the moment because I don't want to keep buying more HDDs weekly x(
This is something i startet thinking about also.. I dont plan on just expanding for ever, i have a limit. So buying expensive parts for plotting fast just isnt any point for me. Cause what should i do with the expensife equipment when i have filled my space? Then there is no use for it. I thought of getting a good pc and some nvme's, but not anymore. If im going to get something it will be cheap SAS drives to use with my existing farming pc (that i got for free), and some used storage.
I have a server 2 x LSI SAS9308-8e, 1 x SAS9308-8i all 12Gb/s . The external SAS9308 cards connect to my HDD storage via a SFF-8644 to SFF-8088 cable . The HDD storage uses SFF-8088 to SFF-8087 2 port adaptor cards, then a SAS SFF 8087 to 4 SATA 7Pin breakout cable to each HDD. This method allows for the HDD storage to be further away from the server and eliminates cables running through the slots to connect directly to the HDD's and for maintenance you only need to unplug the Sff-8088 and not unplug the cable from every HDD . This is a more costly method, but I think it's safer to protect my HDD's.
I think I asked this before, but for those of us who don't have a 3D printer or any experience with that kind of technology, where do you buy the HDD enclosure? Im still looking for a source for that.
HI thanks for your awesome videos and info! I have 15 plots at 20-40% stuck in phase 1, because i started with the GUI... how do i delete them and restart? Keeps saying file is in use. Also 1 more question, in the config, what do I put for the name of the drives? It has micron and inland automatically, do I need to change the name? in plotmanager it says job as: ?, and K: none
Thanks a lot !!!!!!! I am following the SAS 10k setup , I already ordered all the parts that you showed in the videos and I really hope that I would manage to connect them without problems😜👍 following...!
Thanks for the clarification! Have you tried using these SAS drives with the other suggested computer builds like T5610 or T5600 with 2 x 2690 cpu instead of T5810? If yes, how many plots per day were you able to get?
yes -- it depends on the drives you use. Some of the drives i've tested are absolutely capable of 11 hour plots.. 1 per drive... so 8 drives = 16 plots per day and so on..
Oh yeah I forgot this on my last comment. I don't see the video link about the dual processors. Could you add the link. I couldn't find it im your videos.
I dont think its a problem that the internet disconnects, as i had some internet problems a few days ago, not sure if it affected my farming computer tho. But powerloss will destroy the plots you are making, even just exiting the chia software will destroy the ongoing plots. If you live in a area with very unstable power (brownouts or waht its called, flashing lights etc) i would get a UPS to help prevent the pc from turning off. But just remember that a UPS also uses some extra power, to take that into calculations if consuption is key. :-)
Great videos. What about Dell Poweredge server with a SAS SSD for plotting and 15k SAS drives for storing plots? How big a SSD would I need for 40 plots a day and how much RAM? Thanks in advance
Ok I bought 22 drives the hba and the Dell precision. And pretty much everything except I can't 3d print the case. Do you have any other mounting solutions for that many drives? Sorry for asking this ive been trying to search for drive cases that I could buy on a budget. Is there a good diy build?
let me search for some options on this and come back to you. some of the SAS drives are a bit thicker than standard 2.5" sata ssds which is what makes it a bit difficult.
You mention no real world performance gain from Raid 0'ing your NVMe drives for plotting Chia, this runs opposite to the advice given by JM! appreciate you've other video ideas in mind but if you could do one that showcases this that would be great!
I know.... I saw that video and I just don't understand .. I mean I started out with raids but quickly realized it didn't help performance so it left me confused when he said that too
@@SlothTechTV roughly what gains did you make with 2 nvme in non raid? I have 2x Corsair MP600 2TB in raid 0 currently plotting. Wondering if it may be worth winding down my plots to then unraid them! Did you set one as temp 1 and temp 2 I assume?
The amount of farm size growth is enormous, solo farming became almost impossible for small farms. Pools may launch at the end of month but same thing might happen to it unless precautions taken. So spending too much money on this project might be a waste atm...
now that I have time to sit down and watch the video... I believe your approach of repurposing old hardware for Chia instead of rushing out to buy the newest components is what the creator expected. What do you think about approaching local companies and offering to buy their decommissioned servers for chia storage with large HDDs starting to become scarce?
@@CrazyStranger11 I know that my local school district auctions off equipment such as the workstations, so I might try to snag some workstations for plotting, but might see if they have server racks as well.
Local companies likely wouldn't want to do that directly to you. They likely go through recycling companies or they lease the servers and let the lenders take it back, and the lenders have large contracts to sell them used elsewhere (i.e. China, where they desoldered the chips from server board and make new xeon MB with them). Aliexpress would likely be the best place to buy them.
did you try put 2 sas drives at raid 0? how do you think 10 sas drives at 5 raid 0 and 5 plots at one time, or 10 sas with twice more cpu cores and twice more ram and 10 plots at one time? im only gesing, it is possible?
Hey man , so I picked up an old IBM X3650 with dual Xeon E5620 and 128gb of memory.. filled with 10k SAS drives. I have broken up the raid so im using each SAS to do a plot. however this machine takes forever to do plots i do about 10 per day. Any ideas why? perhaps the SAS limitation?
Bro please answer my question i have a the: ryzen 9 3900x 64gbRam how many plots can i make a day if i put together 20 - 36 SAS 10k 2.5'' drives? I'm currently plotting on 2x 2TB nvme.
I know JM just said there's a performance gain today... I have yet to see it. I have a lot of systems but I haven't seen much if any benefit to it. Test it out and come back and let me know what happens.
I'm going to combine 6 WD Black HDDs (220 MB/s write speed each) in RAID 0. Will it be good enough for plotting? (I'm hoping 70-80% compared to NVMe SSD's speed) I'm thinking about this because in my country it's pretty hard to get a SAS HDD, but I still want the longevity of HDDs, I don't want to burn out SSDs over time.
New sub, ( liked & subcribed ), thanks for the no nonsense, crystal clear & actionable content. Question: Any thoughts on using WD 10TB Purple drives? Supposed to be good for 24/7 operation of writing large files, otherwise I do not see much differnce between white, red or most other color labels. I just used spare parts I keep on hand for my gpu rigs; which is actually a quite large surplus of shelf stock to avoid single points of failure. At any rate, I used and old heavy metal monster of a cool master case that will take up to 10x 3.5" drives, slapped a i7-7700k in a Z270P mobo, 32gb of 3200 speed ram, wd blue 250gb ssd for OS only, wd blue 1TB ssd for plotting, and WD 10 TB red for "Final Destination" ... I have 3x more WD 10TB on the way because they keep bumping the price(s), just wanted to do the hands on testing so I run what I brought; no problems so far; only upto 24 plots for now; it's a process .. lol. Found these 2 core duo systems when I search for T5810 for $139.00 bucks, doesn't sound right; that could just be me .. I am Interested in the Dells mentioned in your vid; you have to keep an eye on them; they do some tricky things; use to work for them out of Nashville. Peace
@@ericfresh okay, I now have my homework assignment .. .. Not familar with those two acronyms; but I will see if I can sort it out. So far, I only have 20 plots; and only learned that 4TB and lower have a high failure rate; and how to shuck external drives. I figure we might have a pool by the time I get a batch of WD 10TB drives in; if not, I ran a P2P pool a few years back, and just recently built a small stratum server. but based on just Reading the FAQ, the Chia team seems willing to help with the complex parts of the code; I may contact them, been in it deep trying to help Tellor, (TRB), get a public pool backup since the previous op went another direction and now there is only non listed private pools; but still wading through the smart contract code. I once had a very bad experience with a Seagate Drive; so I stick with WD; ( and a few XPG M.2 drives ), and haven't had any issues since. Peace
In still don't understand wy we are spending so much time and money for plotting and farming free. There are some pools that that earn everything because they solve every block in pools. Can someone clarify me and show how much they earn?
Hello, thanks for lots of valuable experience you share with us for free. We do really appreciate your hard woks. i am struggling with: How to make Plots automatically moves from "10k SAS" drives to storage Server unit And how to connect Plotting machine to Storage unit (the storage unit gonna be 100TB SATA drivers that i still have no idea how to build) i already learned how to make Plotting Part (Thanks to your amazing Videos) but the storage part ... i am learning ) Thank your so much. YOU KNOW THAT WE LOVE YOU, RIGHT ? ........
Can you open a 20,30,40,50 DLLs Telephone consultation service? 10, 20 minutes? I already own 1950x ryzen, ssd1.6tb and 2tb nvm. I'm just thinking should I return the 90tb I bought? Or try to keep on ... I will eventually fill the TB with pooling plots, will I have to keep on buying forever to be able to keep up with growth? P4160 is not doing even 13plots per day with 1950x ryzen. I have to make a choice this week to refund for Hhds or not. I dunno... Growth is amazing , seems I'll be an ant in the jungle...
You can absolutely move your plots while the program is open, just make sure that the location you are moving to has been added to the program - you can do this in the top right of the farming screen. You may then get a message in the program stating that you have an invalid plot in the old location, you can ignore these messages and they will disappear next time you're able to reopen the program.
@@RocketLR Ok, you will still be fine, just ensure that the new node is signed in with the same wallet address as currently Chia plots are not portable from one wallet to another (the plots are built from the wallet ID). Hopefully soon we will get portable plots (they will come with or before pools)
@@SlothTechTV NVME drives have high enough throughput that doesn't need RAID, but RAID reduces each read write size and increase the number of IOPS vs splitting multiple workload to 2 separate drive for 1/2 the amount of IOPS vs RAID. So yes it actually would be worse to raid an SSD. The best way is to split up the workload to individual drives instead. Mechanical HDD has lower sequential bandwidth so raiding them make sense, but you still have the mechanical latency on seeking. I still think if you have enough bandwidth for at least 1 workload thread you should avoid raid and just split workload to different drives instead.
Hi. I've actually tried to replicate the SAS plotting machine you have with what was available in my local market. I've ended up in Chinese motherboard on C612 chipset(Huananzhi x99-F8) with a single 2680v3(12 cores, 3.3Ghz), 64Gb DDR4 RAM and 16 SAS 10k drives plugged into two HP H220 SAS 9205-8I(pci-e 8x 3.0, 2 ports 8087). And the main problem I got is that single plot on one HDD is produced in 9 hours, 4 plots with 1h stagger on 4 different HDDs is done 13h per each and with 16 HDD and 16 plots in parallel time grows to 28 hours. At this setup CPU is loaded at 40% max and HDDs are almost idle. Have you seen such behavior on your system? Does paralleling plots on different drives decrease performance for you?
i got a deal Z9PE-D8 WS 2 E5 2697v2 Processors 64gig G.SKILL Sniper Series ddr3 2400 what drive do i need nvm-e to not bottleneck and bigger hard drive reccommendations my local microcenter has 5 10tb seagate ironwolfs for 280 not sure if that is worth it thanks!!!
I love the knowledge you bring to the community, my respects! that has given me to build this: HP ProLiant DL380p Gen8 x2 ES2680v2 64GB RAM DDR3 ECC x25 HDD SAS 600GB 10K ( x12 SAS temp - x12 SAS storage for to avoid the bottleneck in the last phase and pass it manually to the final disk, and x1 SAS for windows ) calculate that I can make 20 plots in parallel in 12-13H, how about ?
hello .... I am very happy to follow all your videos from the last few months, very informative and very useful. there is 1 thing I want to ask about plotting I have built a computer unit using the specs according to your advise: AMD RYZEN THREADRIPPER 3990X MOTHERBOARD AMD ASROCK TRX40 TAICHI V-GEN SSD NVME 2TB X 4 PCS = 8TB DDR4 V-GEN RAM 32GB X 4 PCS = 128 TB I've been plotting 25 plots parallel, but I haven't been able to get 81 plots / day. until now my average plotting speed is only around 100 minutes / plot. do you think something is wrong with my computer ? is there anything else i should do ? Is it mandatory to use a plot manager ? if not using the plot manager can i get 81 plots / day? Thank you very much for your help
No The read/write speed is like 600mb/s for 15k rpm sas (something like that) so running lets say 6 plot at the same time one one drive Will give a performance of 100mb/s for each plot. Having only one plot on one drive let you use the full 600mb/s for each plot
Is someone plotting with SATA SSD and ddr3 RAM memory? I have old processor with 4 cores, 8GB ddr3 memory, and would purchase SATA SSD (my motherboard dont support M2) Wonder is someone doing similar and is it possible and for how long to do 2 plots in parallel ? Thanks
Mr. Sloth, or anyone much smarter than I when it comes to SAS HARD DRIVES; I screwed up and ordered Two, ( 2 ) WD 10TB SAS HARD DRIVES; Can anyone tell me a cheap way or PCIe SAS controllor Card and at least two cables; I just don't want to keep ordering the wrong gear; thanks, I bought them with crypto so I am kind of just stuck with them; thx. Alternatively, is there an affordable option to buy and external unit I can plug the drives into that connects to a stand SATA mother board; just so many options out there that I could just use some advice.
SaS drives are a headache you make it sound like plug and play. You need a controller which your links are sold out of and so i had to look for 2 or 3 days to figure out a solution
@@SlothTechTV any mobo any cpu any ram high tbw nvme for plotting and enterprise sata hdd for plots. Obviously fasyer the system woth more ram more plots can be done. No extra cards using pciebslots connectors cables tone of knowledge for a simple plotting proces.
@@SlothTechTV exactly. No matter what pc you have as long as plotting disk has high tbw and farming disk has high endurance you can do plots efficiently according to your budget and knowledge. I am sure there are lots of people out there who do not need to buy tons of extra stuff like cards and connectors etc. to plot and farm efficiently on the systems they currently have. Thats my point.
Yeah I think there's a steep learning curve for some folks who expect to just plug in a drive and be farming... I think it makes people mad when they realize they'll have to learn a few things before they can really enter this crypto and farm it.... Which is kind of disappointing imho...
@@SlothTechTV Agreed, Impulse shoppers who went online and ordered 30 hard drives without realizing you need power to plot them, and noticing the difficulty going up and price going down well they are just feeling buyers remorse I would assume. I am locked into chia for 1 year, its a thing I do, win or lose I stick with something for a year and see where it goes, it just sucks because it paints a bad light on the project but time will determine what the future holds.
@@xKevmachinex And then you have the "get rich fast" mentality many people has, they think its so easy.. But i will say im a bit hesitant on how much i will get paid on pools, as im not planning on having several hundreds of tb.. But im moving slow, and careful not to invest in expensive equipment to fast. But its really fun doing this tho! Finally get to use some of my old pc stuff for something!
I actually tried a software raid (mdadm) on 1tb nvmes when developing my setup a couple weeks ago and can confirm it is much slower. Has anyone compared plotting speeds on 2 1tb nvmes vs 1 2tb nvme?
yes I did. and I can compare it to plotting on a single ssd. I started with the samsung 980 pro 2TB. And I switched to 2 x 1 TB samsung 970 pro. with the same procesor i7 11700, hyperx 2x16gb 3200mhz memory, I was able to plot 19 plots usually, sometime also 20 plots per day. with 2 1TB 970pro I am able to plot always 25 plots, sometime also 26 plots. also, what is important is memory. I compared 2 memories: hyperx predator cl16 3200mhz with g.skill cl16 3200 mhz. on the same system, the former is around 4-5% faster than g.skill.
@@jozinzbazin8277 Wow interesting. Thanks for sharing. I wish I had more nvme/pcie slots 😆. Also the ram thing is interesting. I'm using gskill lol. Curious if it's the brand or just silicone lottery.
@@CrazyStranger11 not sure, if it is sillicon, I did not investigated further, have no time for that, but I tried the memory from the old system, and the new system was immediately so fast, like old one, therefore I bought predators again, and they perform identically to those on the old system.
@@cryptoknight7929 my ssd also died from overheating just be careful with the temps, i also i tried to format it but it doesn't show the volume anymore
Need help with optimization on a 3995wx paired with 512GB 3200mhz RAM, 6 AIC adapters stuffed with 24x 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4's on Swar. I donate ETH/BTC/ZIL.
@@SlothTechTV May be or may be not. With pools all small plotting rigs will start again. that will cause a massiv growth of netspace. AGAIN. its history repeating. and what do you get when pool is hitting a plot? 25 % for the winner and the rest for the pool, minus pool fee. chia will end for most ppl like GPU mining with a 1080 ti. 3 USD / day max minus energy cost. if they dont fix the reward system, chia is dead and only real big big players will still earn. Boys! We! Are! Too! Late! Send your hardware back or sell it but dont think, that Chia will be your passive income.
The way all of this is explained really helps users realize their place in all this. Well done!
This channel is golden and that swar video I've linked like 100 times on space pool discord.
But every time I watch sloth's hardware videos I'm made aware of all my bad choices and there is a lot of them xD
Is a no brainer when this guy explain this to you! Great work sloth and steady. Baby step.
Man you deserve have a book publisher about chia stuffs. So Nice explanation.
After your "Morpheus" video, I did a plot on my 18TB SATA HDD (to try), in 12h... So, big thanks to you and don't mind the Trolls. 🙏👍
Great video as usual. Thanks for the great content and links in the description makes things easy.
I feel really lucky that i have found you on youtube, i already joined the discord and hopefully i can get more info there as well and in the future be able to help others! thanks for you videos and the time you put on them, really apreciated them!
Perfectly timed video! I just picked up a bunch of SAS drives, and was beginning to ask myself these questions! Thanks mate!
thank you so much for your videos, so much positivity from your explanations. Despite Chia being like 700 USD low, almost zero chance to get any chia rewards, hdd prices extremly high - you make me plot more and more. lol. 500 plots and no luck. 3000 USD in HDDs alone and this gamble is like addiction. Thank you again, keep up making such great content. / started Velociraptors route - like 9h per plot, not bad for 10k drive/.
So you are thanking him for fueling your addiction? Just kidding, I'm in the same boat
you are the man my friend, thank you so much for your scientific approach!!
Thanks for the great info!
I would love a buildguide for using SAS drives!
Hey can you please make a video on farming how it works !?
Do we have to keep increasing the storage every time a plot moves from temporary storage to a farming process !?
And how much time it takes to farm 1 plot...or is it ever lasting process !?
There is very little info on farming can you please explain it...
The prices have gone way up (like everything), but Fusion-IO PCIe SSDs are pretty good for plotting. I picked up a 1.2TB model for ~$120 and it has 20 PB of write endurance. The catch is it chugs power with its pile of NAND and dual FPGAs. 25 watts from PCIe slot and more if you connect its supplemental power cable. Works perfectly in Windows though.
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@@Some1_No1 Just go on eBay and look for Fusion-IO.
@@PeterBrockie Yeah, I did, but don't see any 1.2TB models for anywhere close to $120. Guess I'm a day late and a $280 short :)
@@Some1_No1 Like I said, the prices have gone way up.
As a side node the 1280 GB versions are just dual 640 GB flash drives (MLC), each 640 GB drive easily handles 2 plots (with a time offset). I picked up another 640 for $100 (damn price increase) so I can do 6 plots at once with my 6C/12T 8700k.
Dude, you are awesome! Please keep up the videos. I have been watching since you started making videos on chia, honestly I am jealous with your knowledge and motivation! Haha keep going mate 👍👍👍 love from Australia.
Hi Bro! I dig your chia videos. Your level of detail is awesome...Question - what's the best, & cheapest solution to keep my desktop PC that runs my chia farm up and running if the power goes out?
Impressed with how you research and find use in older hardware. This is the way to go! You must make a lot of money from your Amazon affiliate links, since every time I click on one of the links they are sold out!
Regarding raid 0, since ssd and nmve drives are super fast and have literary no access time, there is no real use of doing raid on them. But for mechanical drives, surely a raid 0 setup (that stripes data over the drives) would make them (much?) faster than single drives?
Thanks for all the videos! I discovered chia a couple days back and have been going over your guides and learning a lot. I have wanted to build a home server for a long time so this was the push I needed. I picked up a refurbished rack mounted system today as well as some 10k drives similar to the ones you've mentioned. I'm looking forward to delivery so I can do some building! I can link you the specs if you are willing to take a brief look and tell me what you think? I'll use it for something fun, regardless.
I purchased a HPE H240 SAS-3 12Gbps HBA Host Bus Adapter but cant get through the Bios problem of them loading. I keep getting something about smart cache not working. But when i did boot it and saw my sas drives in the disk managment. I could not partition them because of an I\O error... Not sure how to fix it.
I got the same conclusion that you about SAS before you published your video and I can confirm that what you say about plotting on SAS disks is true and I have around one month plotting on mechanical HDDs.
I have a 5950x, 32GB 3600 RAM, one 3,8 TB SDD and some external HDD (and the Asus prime x570-pro). I'm doing around 16 plots per day...
The problem is that I can't use the full ssd storage, because it gets way too slow. If I try to add more, id should work in theory, but I find my system crashed the next day. It never uses more than 80% RAM when I check, but if I add more (because of more plots for instance) something doesn't work right.
Now I have great potential, but if I buy now just the nvme I need (970 1 TB * 4), I will be bankrupt lol. It would be more expensive than your recommendations. So what should I do from here on?
Thank you! Can you give us the configuration of T5810 with 2699? Many threads did you use? and How many jobs in phase 1?
I can only reach 32 plots with 2T nvme ssd and 3.84T SAS ssd.
Yes, it would be extremely helpful.
I've been using my old Dell t7910 2x e5-2680 v3 24 cores/48 threads, 128gb ram, 2tb SSD and 9x SAS drives. It can easily run 16 plots (7 on SSD, 9 on individual drives) at once but doing that many slows the total time from 11 hours to 19 hours so I'm still under 2TiB/day.
Would be ideal if you could make a video what would be the ideal setups for long term chia storing. Like small pc with low power consumption with multiple internal USB hubs + External 7-16 USB Hubs to USB drives each with its own 12V PSU (provided in the box), vs Server with lots of PCIe with HBA + Xpanders (that allow stagger power up the hdds).
You don't even need SAS drives for 11h plotting time. My buddy bought WD Reds and with a 12 year old Xeon he is doing 11h plots......
How ? I just bought 2 of 3tb
SAS drives can be cheap if you buy used, I think that's the point: highly available used for cheap.
@@maggiejetson7904 where ?
11h plots are not good 😐
so u set SAS drive to RAID 0 ? or let it be separatly drive?
I raided my 2 2tb nvmes off the bat and see my current bottleneck is the ssd IO. This video helps a lot , I'm going to try splitting my nvmes tomorrow . Thank you Sloth Tech TV! *sidenote, I'm in IT so messing with this Chia has improved my skills :P Fun stuff
Update?
@@Some1_No1 I'm using swar chia manager and having issues getting both working at the same time,splitting workloads evenly.Changing settings again. Ill try to update after
@@Some1_No1 I didn't notice much of a difference after the change. Now I'm pretty certain the bottle neck is that I purchased pcie 3.0 nvme instead of 4.0 T.T lol, it's like double the write/read speed of 3.0 when running x4. I'm running them through a pcie 3.0 x4 adapter, straight from the motherboard
Amazing content
Great content as always!
@slothtechtv, Great video. You mention the PSU to Sata cables, were you saying not to use two strings of cables on a psu or not to daisy chain one string to another string and then to psu? Or were you also saying not to use two strings of sata connectors on a psu even if on different psu connections. I see why not to daisy chain because the full power amount won’t hit all drives on the chain. I did notice in my past years not to use all four splits on my drives, did not work so well, at times one of my drives would disappear. If I stayed with three drives then none of my drives disappeared. Have you had similar problem with four drives on one string?
I have run the test on sas and there you go. Happy plotting everyone.
The hba cards, does it make a difference plotting wise if its x8 or x16 and on pcie 2.0 or pcie 3.0? I mean 16 drives would take up alot of bandwidth, right? Wont it be a bottleneck?
Test if we can use tape for long term storage
Espectacular! Te felicito por el canal y su contenido! Saludos!
I can personally tell you that RAID0ing two 2TB NVME m.2 SSD drives greatly enhanced my performance. I went from plotting 18 a day to 25 a day. I raided them with ubuntu linux mdadm. I will say since you're making 2 drives 1 this makes 1 job in swar instead of 2 jobs with 2 ssds. I think this also greatly enhanced the performance so it would not kick off two jobs at once so there was a better stagger as well. But if there's a way to stagger two jobs so they don't kick off at the same time that would be a good test to see if it was solely the RAID0
Is there a good HP dual processor system to look for? Also, did you say how many of the 10K SAS drives you used in your system? To get to 40 plots per day, does than mean you have roughly 12-18 of these drives?
In the same way you did Swar plot manager video, can you do a run down of all of the "config.yaml" settings and values.
So that we may fully be competent with: *Chia CLI command line interface.* Running on an ubuntu server.
Great job, thanks. But there is one question. When I finish the plotting process, can I use any other PC (example, AMD Athlon X64 with DDR2 RAM) just for the mining process? Or my mining PC must be better? Is there any minimum hardware requirements just for mining with pre-created plots? Thanks
I already buy your HW (SAS card, kabel and 4x sas10k) i run on i78700k, 32GB Ram, and MSI B360 MB. its runing, one plot in 11,5 hour. But when i start 4 plot on this 4 drives together, always only finish one pcs :( another 3 was frozen :( you know why? :(
I'm really tempted to play around with SAS drives and HBA controllers because it sounds really fun and interesting but I don't actually plan to add more plotting power at the moment because I don't want to keep buying more HDDs weekly x(
This is something i startet thinking about also.. I dont plan on just expanding for ever, i have a limit. So buying expensive parts for plotting fast just isnt any point for me.
Cause what should i do with the expensife equipment when i have filled my space? Then there is no use for it. I thought of getting a good pc and some nvme's, but not anymore.
If im going to get something it will be cheap SAS drives to use with my existing farming pc (that i got for free), and some used storage.
I have a server 2 x LSI SAS9308-8e, 1 x SAS9308-8i all 12Gb/s . The external SAS9308 cards connect to my HDD storage via a SFF-8644 to SFF-8088 cable . The HDD storage uses SFF-8088 to SFF-8087 2 port adaptor cards, then a SAS SFF 8087 to 4 SATA 7Pin breakout cable to each HDD. This method allows for the HDD storage to be further away from the server and eliminates cables running through the slots to connect directly to the HDD's and for maintenance you only need to unplug the Sff-8088 and not unplug the cable from every HDD . This is a more costly method, but I think it's safer to protect my HDD's.
Let’s plot baby!
I think I asked this before, but for those of us who don't have a 3D printer or any experience with that kind of technology, where do you buy the HDD enclosure? Im still looking for a source for that.
HI thanks for your awesome videos and info! I have 15 plots at 20-40% stuck in phase 1, because i started with the GUI... how do i delete them and restart? Keeps saying file is in use. Also 1 more question, in the config, what do I put for the name of the drives? It has micron and inland automatically, do I need to change the name? in plotmanager it says job as: ?, and K: none
Thanks a lot !!!!!!! I am following the SAS 10k setup , I already ordered all the parts that you showed in the videos and I really hope that I would manage to connect them without problems😜👍 following...!
Thanks for the clarification!
Have you tried using these SAS drives with the other suggested computer builds like T5610 or T5600 with 2 x 2690 cpu instead of T5810? If yes, how many plots per day were you able to get?
yes -- it depends on the drives you use. Some of the drives i've tested are absolutely capable of 11 hour plots.. 1 per drive... so 8 drives = 16 plots per day and so on..
Oh yeah I forgot this on my last comment. I don't see the video link about the dual processors. Could you add the link. I couldn't find it im your videos.
I want to ask, what happens when while plotting, power or internet disconnects and when to do after that?
I dont think its a problem that the internet disconnects, as i had some internet problems a few days ago, not sure if it affected my farming computer tho.
But powerloss will destroy the plots you are making, even just exiting the chia software will destroy the ongoing plots.
If you live in a area with very unstable power (brownouts or waht its called, flashing lights etc) i would get a UPS to help prevent the pc from turning off.
But just remember that a UPS also uses some extra power, to take that into calculations if consuption is key. :-)
Great videos. What about Dell Poweredge server with a SAS SSD for plotting and 15k SAS drives for storing plots? How big a SSD would I need for 40 plots a day and how much RAM? Thanks in advance
Ok I bought 22 drives the hba and the Dell precision. And pretty much everything except I can't 3d print the case. Do you have any other mounting solutions for that many drives? Sorry for asking this ive been trying to search for drive cases that I could buy on a budget.
Is there a good diy build?
let me search for some options on this and come back to you. some of the SAS drives are a bit thicker than standard 2.5" sata ssds which is what makes it a bit difficult.
A DIY way for HDD drives you can make at home ua-cam.com/video/arG9WD0Lsu4/v-deo.html
One of easy options would be just to find a 3D printer sharing service. A lot of ppl would print it for you - just need to find one with a good price.
The question would be, how many XCH have you received so far .... ?
I got from newegg cd duplicator + 8x2.5 to 2x3.5 bay hdd cage, still waiting for my hba card to put everything together
You mention no real world performance gain from Raid 0'ing your NVMe drives for plotting Chia, this runs opposite to the advice given by JM! appreciate you've other video ideas in mind but if you could do one that showcases this that would be great!
I know.... I saw that video and I just don't understand .. I mean I started out with raids but quickly realized it didn't help performance so it left me confused when he said that too
@@SlothTechTV roughly what gains did you make with 2 nvme in non raid? I have 2x Corsair MP600 2TB in raid 0 currently plotting. Wondering if it may be worth winding down my plots to then unraid them! Did you set one as temp 1 and temp 2 I assume?
Yeah i dont know about chia mining , doesnt seem to be worth it atm . But you my man you should continue making videos
The amount of farm size growth is enormous, solo farming became almost impossible for small farms. Pools may launch at the end of month but same thing might happen to it unless precautions taken. So spending too much money on this project might be a waste atm...
That's the most important piece of information that anybody that does follow this channel needs to find AT THE MOMENT.
@slothtechtv, did you watch the movies : Croods and Croods 2?
now that I have time to sit down and watch the video...
I believe your approach of repurposing old hardware for Chia instead of rushing out to buy the newest components is what the creator expected.
What do you think about approaching local companies and offering to buy their decommissioned servers for chia storage with large HDDs starting to become scarce?
let me know if you contact a local datacenter or something. I've wondered about that myself.
@@CrazyStranger11 I know that my local school district auctions off equipment such as the workstations, so I might try to snag some workstations for plotting, but might see if they have server racks as well.
Local companies likely wouldn't want to do that directly to you. They likely go through recycling companies or they lease the servers and let the lenders take it back, and the lenders have large contracts to sell them used elsewhere (i.e. China, where they desoldered the chips from server board and make new xeon MB with them). Aliexpress would likely be the best place to buy them.
did you try put 2 sas drives at raid 0? how do you think 10 sas drives at 5 raid 0 and 5 plots at one time, or 10 sas with twice more cpu cores and twice more ram and 10 plots at one time? im only gesing, it is possible?
Hi does the raid controller have to be in it mode ?
Hey man , so I picked up an old IBM X3650 with dual Xeon E5620 and 128gb of memory.. filled with 10k SAS drives.
I have broken up the raid so im using each SAS to do a plot. however this machine takes forever to do plots i do about 10 per day.
Any ideas why? perhaps the SAS limitation?
i can't wait to get them sasss
@Sloth Thech TV
LSI SAS 9300-16E Host Bus Adapter can this one work ?
Bro please answer my question
i have a the:
ryzen 9 3900x
64gbRam
how many plots can i make a day if i put together 20 - 36 SAS 10k 2.5'' drives?
I'm currently plotting on 2x 2TB nvme.
how much of a performance hit on RAID 0 NVME's if its say a PCIE card with 4x NVME's installed into it at raid zero?
I know JM just said there's a performance gain today... I have yet to see it. I have a lot of systems but I haven't seen much if any benefit to it.
Test it out and come back and let me know what happens.
How is it a green cryptocurrency compared to proof of stake?
My question is do I need 2 systems? 1 for plotting and another for farming?
20 SAS SSD x 4 TREADS EACH. RUNNING IT CONCURRENTLY WILL TAKE 80 TREADS.
2699V3 ONLY HAS 36 TREADS.
HOW DOES IT WORK?
Can you explain how to move your chia coin into new wallet?
awesome videos .. thank you so much !!!
Hey. Are you starting a pool?
been thinking about it..
I'm going to combine 6 WD Black HDDs (220 MB/s write speed each) in RAID 0. Will it be good enough for plotting? (I'm hoping 70-80% compared to NVMe SSD's speed) I'm thinking about this because in my country it's pretty hard to get a SAS HDD, but I still want the longevity of HDDs, I don't want to burn out SSDs over time.
New sub, ( liked & subcribed ), thanks for the no nonsense, crystal clear & actionable content.
Question: Any thoughts on using WD 10TB Purple drives?
Supposed to be good for 24/7 operation of writing large files, otherwise I do not see much differnce between white, red or most other color labels.
I just used spare parts I keep on hand for my gpu rigs; which is actually a quite large surplus of shelf stock to avoid single points of failure.
At any rate, I used and old heavy metal monster of a cool master case that will take up to 10x 3.5" drives, slapped a i7-7700k in a Z270P mobo, 32gb of 3200 speed ram, wd blue 250gb ssd for OS only, wd blue 1TB ssd for plotting, and WD 10 TB red for "Final Destination" ... I have 3x more WD 10TB on the way because they keep bumping the price(s), just wanted to do the hands on testing so I run what I brought; no problems so far; only upto 24 plots for now; it's a process .. lol.
Found these 2 core duo systems when I search for T5810 for $139.00 bucks, doesn't sound right; that could just be me ..
I am Interested in the Dells mentioned in your vid; you have to keep an eye on them; they do some tricky things; use to work for them out of Nashville.
Peace
I don't know about purple but I have had good luck with WD Red Plus drives just make sure whatever drive you get go CMR not SMR
@@ericfresh okay, I now have my homework assignment ..
.. Not familar with those two acronyms; but I will see if I can sort it out.
So far, I only have 20 plots; and only learned that 4TB and lower have a high failure rate; and how to shuck external drives.
I figure we might have a pool by the time I get a batch of WD 10TB drives in; if not, I ran a P2P pool a few years back, and just recently built a small stratum server.
but based on just Reading the FAQ, the Chia team seems willing to help with the complex parts of the code; I may contact them, been in it deep trying to help Tellor, (TRB), get a public pool backup since the previous op went another direction and now there is only non listed private pools; but still wading through the smart contract code.
I once had a very bad experience with a Seagate Drive; so I stick with WD; ( and a few XPG M.2 drives ), and haven't had any issues since.
Peace
Also, can you tell me if there is an official pool system right now I can join and mine chia??
Not yet... Supposed to be here at the end of the month
In still don't understand wy we are spending so much time and money for plotting and farming free. There are some pools that that earn everything because they solve every block in pools. Can someone clarify me and show how much they earn?
what about synology nas?
Hello, thanks for lots of valuable experience you share with us for free. We do really appreciate your hard woks.
i am struggling with:
How to make Plots automatically moves from "10k SAS" drives to storage Server unit
And how to connect Plotting machine to Storage unit (the storage unit gonna be 100TB SATA drivers that i still have no idea how to build)
i already learned how to make Plotting Part (Thanks to your amazing Videos) but the storage part ... i am learning )
Thank your so much.
YOU KNOW THAT WE LOVE YOU, RIGHT ? ........
Can you open a 20,30,40,50 DLLs
Telephone consultation service? 10, 20 minutes?
I already own 1950x ryzen, ssd1.6tb and 2tb nvm. I'm just thinking should I return the 90tb I bought? Or try to keep on ... I will eventually fill the TB with pooling plots, will I have to keep on buying forever to be able to keep up with growth?
P4160 is not doing even 13plots per day with 1950x ryzen.
I have to make a choice this week to refund for Hhds or not. I dunno... Growth is amazing , seems I'll be an ant in the jungle...
Bro, some of the plots are getting stuck and when I look into the notes it says "error: bad allocation" can you
Please help. Any ideas???
wccftech.com/how-to-fix-chia-runtime-error-bad-allocation-on-windows/
@@SlothTechTV hey thanks a lot for reply, sorry forgot to say I am running Ubuntu!!!!
sorry forgot to say I am running Ubuntu!!
I still don't see how your getting 40 plots with the single xeon e5 2699 v3. Can you please go in depth on this and go over your config for this rig
I have the same question, i dont know how many threads to run for phase 1
Can I move my plots while the chia program is active? or do I have to turn off the chia app?
You can absolutely move your plots while the program is open, just make sure that the location you are moving to has been added to the program - you can do this in the top right of the farming screen. You may then get a message in the program stating that you have an invalid plot in the old location, you can ignore these messages and they will disappear next time you're able to reopen the program.
@@warfish0r great thanks! im moving it to another node on another network.
@@RocketLR Ok, you will still be fine, just ensure that the new node is signed in with the same wallet address as currently Chia plots are not portable from one wallet to another (the plots are built from the wallet ID). Hopefully soon we will get portable plots (they will come with or before pools)
@@warfish0r nice. Thank you for the help man!
I'm I correct in understanding that it still makes sense to RAID 0 SAS 10k/15k drives though (That not being adviseable for NVMEs) ty
it (raid0 on nvme) doesn't seem to help performance.. at least from my testing.. I encourage others to test and report back though!
@@SlothTechTV NVME drives have high enough throughput that doesn't need RAID, but RAID reduces each read write size and increase the number of IOPS vs splitting multiple workload to 2 separate drive for 1/2 the amount of IOPS vs RAID. So yes it actually would be worse to raid an SSD. The best way is to split up the workload to individual drives instead. Mechanical HDD has lower sequential bandwidth so raiding them make sense, but you still have the mechanical latency on seeking. I still think if you have enough bandwidth for at least 1 workload thread you should avoid raid and just split workload to different drives instead.
Hi. I've actually tried to replicate the SAS plotting machine you have with what was available in my local market. I've ended up in Chinese motherboard on C612 chipset(Huananzhi x99-F8) with a single 2680v3(12 cores, 3.3Ghz), 64Gb DDR4 RAM and 16 SAS 10k drives plugged into two HP H220 SAS 9205-8I(pci-e 8x 3.0, 2 ports 8087). And the main problem I got is that single plot on one HDD is produced in 9 hours, 4 plots with 1h stagger on 4 different HDDs is done 13h per each and with 16 HDD and 16 plots in parallel time grows to 28 hours. At this setup CPU is loaded at 40% max and HDDs are almost idle. Have you seen such behavior on your system? Does paralleling plots on different drives decrease performance for you?
i got a deal Z9PE-D8 WS
2 E5 2697v2 Processors
64gig G.SKILL Sniper Series ddr3 2400
what drive do i need nvm-e to not bottleneck and bigger hard drive reccommendations my local microcenter has 5 10tb seagate ironwolfs for 280 not sure if that is worth it thanks!!!
BTW i tried to plot on HDD 7200 rpm RAID0 and i get over 8 hours for single plot, compared to 6 hours on SATA SSD
Great Videos.
Why my plot farming gone in aplication chia,,
I love the knowledge you bring to the community, my respects! that has given me to build this:
HP ProLiant DL380p Gen8
x2 ES2680v2
64GB RAM DDR3 ECC
x25 HDD SAS 600GB 10K ( x12 SAS temp - x12 SAS storage for to avoid the bottleneck in the last phase and pass it manually to the final disk, and x1 SAS for windows )
calculate that I can make 20 plots in parallel in 12-13H, how about ?
How can i sell my chia plots ?
hello ....
I am very happy to follow all your videos from the last few months, very informative and very useful.
there is 1 thing I want to ask about plotting
I have built a computer unit using the specs according to your advise:
AMD RYZEN THREADRIPPER 3990X
MOTHERBOARD AMD ASROCK TRX40 TAICHI
V-GEN SSD NVME 2TB X 4 PCS = 8TB
DDR4 V-GEN RAM 32GB X 4 PCS = 128 TB
I've been plotting 25 plots parallel, but I haven't been able to get 81 plots / day.
until now my average plotting speed is only around 100 minutes / plot.
do you think something is wrong with my computer ?
is there anything else i should do ?
Is it mandatory to use a plot manager ?
if not using the plot manager can i get 81 plots / day?
Thank you very much for your help
What about 4 tb sas 10k? It is equal to 12*300g sas but with less power.
No
The read/write speed is like 600mb/s for 15k rpm sas (something like that) so running lets say 6 plot at the same time one one drive Will give a performance of 100mb/s for each plot.
Having only one plot on one drive let you use the full 600mb/s for each plot
@@mon-credit3339
What about 4TB nvme? Not same issue?
It would be great if we can see your setup because the explanation is confusing
Is someone plotting with SATA SSD and ddr3 RAM memory?
I have old processor with 4 cores, 8GB ddr3 memory, and would purchase SATA SSD (my motherboard dont support M2)
Wonder is someone doing similar and is it possible and for how long to do 2 plots in parallel ?
Thanks
I remember you mentioned having your plot logs feed into elastic search. Are you using logstash config for that? If so, could you share it?
Yeah go in the discord I linked to the GitHub
Mr. Sloth, or anyone much smarter than I when it comes to SAS HARD DRIVES; I screwed up and ordered Two, ( 2 ) WD 10TB SAS HARD DRIVES; Can anyone tell me a cheap way or PCIe SAS controllor Card and at least two cables; I just don't want to keep ordering the wrong gear; thanks, I bought them with crypto so I am kind of just stuck with them; thx.
Alternatively, is there an affordable option to buy and external unit I can plug the drives into that connects to a stand SATA mother board; just so many options out there that I could just use some advice.
SaS drives are a headache you make it sound like plug and play. You need a controller which your links are sold out of and so i had to look for 2 or 3 days to figure out a solution
You really made it probably the most complicated way of building plotting system.
Care to elaborate?
@@SlothTechTV any mobo any cpu any ram high tbw nvme for plotting and enterprise sata hdd for plots. Obviously fasyer the system woth more ram more plots can be done. No extra cards using pciebslots connectors cables tone of knowledge for a simple plotting proces.
@@sebastianm3505 that response is the equivalent to me saying "get a fast car with gas in the gas tank to drive fast".....
@@SlothTechTV exactly. No matter what pc you have as long as plotting disk has high tbw and farming disk has high endurance you can do plots efficiently according to your budget and knowledge. I am sure there are lots of people out there who do not need to buy tons of extra stuff like cards and connectors etc. to plot and farm efficiently on the systems they currently have. Thats my point.
Great video, you noticing all the negativity the last few days around chia? lots of people warning everyone to get out now, and its all a scam.
Yeah I think there's a steep learning curve for some folks who expect to just plug in a drive and be farming... I think it makes people mad when they realize they'll have to learn a few things before they can really enter this crypto and farm it.... Which is kind of disappointing imho...
@@SlothTechTV Agreed, Impulse shoppers who went online and ordered 30 hard drives without realizing you need power to plot them, and noticing the difficulty going up and price going down well they are just feeling buyers remorse I would assume. I am locked into chia for 1 year, its a thing I do, win or lose I stick with something for a year and see where it goes, it just sucks because it paints a bad light on the project but time will determine what the future holds.
@@xKevmachinex And then you have the "get rich fast" mentality many people has, they think its so easy..
But i will say im a bit hesitant on how much i will get paid on pools, as im not planning on having several hundreds of tb.. But im moving slow, and careful not to invest in expensive equipment to fast. But its really fun doing this tho! Finally get to use some of my old pc stuff for something!
I actually tried a software raid (mdadm) on 1tb nvmes when developing my setup a couple weeks ago and can confirm it is much slower. Has anyone compared plotting speeds on 2 1tb nvmes vs 1 2tb nvme?
yes I did. and I can compare it to plotting on a single ssd. I started with the samsung 980 pro 2TB. And I switched to 2 x 1 TB samsung 970 pro. with the same procesor i7 11700, hyperx 2x16gb 3200mhz memory, I was able to plot 19 plots usually, sometime also 20 plots per day. with 2 1TB 970pro I am able to plot always 25 plots, sometime also 26 plots. also, what is important is memory. I compared 2 memories: hyperx predator cl16 3200mhz with g.skill cl16 3200 mhz. on the same system, the former is around 4-5% faster than g.skill.
@@jozinzbazin8277 Wow interesting. Thanks for sharing. I wish I had more nvme/pcie slots 😆. Also the ram thing is interesting. I'm using gskill lol. Curious if it's the brand or just silicone lottery.
@@jozinzbazin8277 Were the 970 pros in raid?
@@nandansarkar5374 no
@@CrazyStranger11 not sure, if it is sillicon, I did not investigated further, have no time for that, but I tried the memory from the old system, and the new system was immediately so fast, like old one, therefore I bought predators again, and they perform identically to those on the old system.
Plotting killed my new nvme in about 3 weeks!!
as in -- it totally died? I think a lot of the time its due to overheating.. what temp was it running at?
@@SlothTechTV i dont know the temps but i was just doin 1 plot at a time and its gone, no device recognizes the nvme anymore
@@cryptoknight7929 my ssd also died from overheating just be careful with the temps, i also i tried to format it but it doesn't show the volume anymore
@@negroconbazuca1621 that sucks, i think there was no heat, it was doin 1,5 plotts a day, how many plotts was yours doin?
Need help with optimization on a 3995wx paired with 512GB 3200mhz RAM, 6 AIC adapters stuffed with 24x 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4's on Swar. I donate ETH/BTC/ZIL.
This vid is so outdated. The network is so big you will earn nothing with your small chia rigs. dont believe the hype and save your money.
Exactly what I was thinking!
While its true netspace is growing rapidly... Pools will make for consistent chia earnings for small rigs.
@@SlothTechTV May be or may be not. With pools all small plotting rigs will start again. that will cause a massiv growth of netspace. AGAIN. its history repeating. and what do you get when pool is hitting a plot? 25 % for the winner and the rest for the pool, minus pool fee. chia will end for most ppl like GPU mining with a 1080 ti. 3 USD / day max minus energy cost. if they dont fix the reward system, chia is dead and only real big big players will still earn. Boys! We! Are! Too! Late! Send your hardware back or sell it but dont think, that Chia will be your passive income.
Haters gonna hate
Most SSDs are capable of writing a couple to a few petabytes before they're burnt out. Most people will never burn their ssd out.
I raid 0 my 2 nvme because they are only 1TB each.
So what's your gain? They become 3TB in raid0 ?
@@GP-qb9hi just faster performance and the hope to plot 20 on 1 2TB disk. (Copying his build for 2TB nvme.)