Fun fact: the biggest indicator that she isn't the real Penelope is that there's no viola in the song (the viola is Penelope's instrumen, you can hear it every time Odysseus sais her name in the other songs).
Exactly, there are no viola sounds, BUT if you listen closely, there are sounds similar to Polites' mallet, who's another person Odysseus cared about. The siren's song can't properly reach his ears (because of the beeswax) so she can't get everything right to lure him into the water e.g. the daughter. Jay said that's how he envisioned the sirens' powers to work, so it's pretty cool!
@@OnlyHuman_AfterDark My personal headcanon is that the siren was able to pick out that Odysseus has a “child”, but either guessed wrong or assumed “daughter” by default because she’s a siren.
@@Tioko You're really close! Jay explained that the siren's powers only work if their song reaches the human's ears and gain access to their memories. Because of the beeswax Odysseus and his crew had put in, the siren couldn't get all the information correct, for instance the fact that he had a son instead of a daughter or that he in fact wasn't at all afraid of the water. She also confused the people Odysseus cared about as during Penelope's song you can't hear the viola (her signature instrument) but rather you can hear a mallet (the signature instrument of Politest, because he was another person Odysseus cared about and died). That's actually a very nice touch. And sad.
The “He will chase you high and low” beat is a throw beat back to the lines in The Horse and the Infant- “He will burn your house and throne. He’ll find you wherever you go” when talking about the baby.
@@JenniferGlatzhoferYeah, and he also said something else which makes this even sadder. While there's no viola, there are mallet instruments, just like in Polites' song, because he was another person Odysseus cared about. The siren's song can't reach his ears properly to take effect so she's confusing stuff and people! Jay explained it in a video and it's so cool!
Here’s a fun detail I noticed while watching this. Whenever the siren sings, I don’t know what to call them, pulsations wavering screen around her. It starts at the very beginning, but keeps going. I didn’t catch it for a bit, but it’s a very cool addition.
Penelope siren is sung by the same singer for normal Penelope. I bet she had great fun and would be a good part to play in the show as she gets to be good and bad Penelope. (My dad wanted to call me Penelope but my surname started with a p and my mum vetoed the name.
According to Jay, The Sirens have the ability to somehow read the mind of their victims to pass as one of their love ones, but, since Oddy had counter measures.... she wasn't able to do so effectively that's why she said Daughter instead of Son.
8:48 Funnily enough this isn't a new motif as the siren is singing the same melodic line that Zeus does in the first song when talking about the baby "he will burn your house and throne/ he'll find you wherever you go". Not sure if there is any thematic reason Jorge reused the melody there but I guess both lines are about him getting chased 🤷
Jennifer, you should totally interview Jay about all the motives and his music writing after you're done reacting to the two last sagas ❤ It would be so fun I think!
You should watch jorge talk about how the siren’s powers work! Because there was actually a lot of different motifs that the sirens try to use to convince Odysseus! It was a tiktok but maybe you can find it on his UA-cam too
It never occurred to me until you compared it to whispers but now I’m wondering if [next song spoiler ahead]…… Maybe those vocals are meant to be what Odysseus is actually hearing through the beeswax. A little bit of their magic has to be reaching him since they have the insight into Penelope’s appearance and voice and the fact that there’s a child (even if they lack her instrument and say daughter instead of son) it’s just not enough to completely get him under the spell. So perhaps he is in fact hearing “whispers” of the siren song.
One of the things I like about Gigi's animation is that they focus a lot on Odysseus' eyes and the Siren's mouth. Something I noticed you didn't point out is that when Odysseus says, "No..." and the beat hits, Gigi drew the outline briefly of Scylla on the screen and it quickly fades out.
Because you have so much substance in what you talk about, meaning you are “reacting” but it’s actually analyzing the music is what has kept me coming back for your videos. You have compliments for actually making something that makes me want to watch your point of view instead of watching just the animatic. Well done. 💛
Hey jennifer, just to let you know, the next song is played imediatly after odysseus grabs his bows, so you might get a little surprised by the first notes :)
That 'hand on chest moment" is the same reaction i had from hearing "then jump in the water and kiss me" 🤣 Penelope's voice actress is amazing and im already obsessed with The Challenge.
12:00 not all the instruments. The piano plays and plays a motif we've heard from someone with a string instrument, but now on piano It's a fun little easter egg of a connection between Scylla and another previously met character
There are SO many animatics for Suffering, with a lot of fun small interpretations of artists. I definitely recommend searching and watching some if you feel like re-watching EPIC songs. I personally prefer the Suffering animatics that *don't* immediately betray what is happening, just like in No Longer You, but I can't deny how great they are either.
FUN FACT: When Scylla is mentioned, the piano that starts is playing the same melody as the strings in the Circe saga, illuding to the link between Scylla and circe
I've waited so long for you to hear that song!! It's one of my favorites!! ❤ i can't wait for you to listen to the Wizdom Saga after this great saga !!
7:36 hi hi! So jorge recently discussed this in a video before, and it happens quite frequently in 'suffering' and 'love in paradise'(Wisdom saga), im pretty sure! I just thought that was really cool that you noticed, not many people do :3
So for No Longer You, the lyric that you're thinking of wasn't 'suffering', it was Siren Song. Then there's Scylla Throat, Mutiny, and Lightning Bolt for the other three confirmed lyrics. The other ones Jay hasn't confirmed because he said it would be spoilers for upcoming songs. Also, he explained how the Siren magic works. Their song is a spell that lets them access a person's memories so they can use them in their deception. However, since Ody can't hear her song properly because of the wax, the Siren's spell doesn't really work that well. That's why she says daughter, since she can only tell Ody has a kid but not the gender. It's why she doesn't know he was lying about being afraid of the water. She also gets the context of other things wrong, getting happy things confused with negative ones and vice versa. It's why the "he will chase you high and low" cadence is so cheery, even tho that particular 'motive' is a negative one (it's used when Zeus is telling Ody about what will happen with the infant if Ody doesn't kill him, "he will burn your house and throne" and so on).
4:43 WAIT I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT! The voices have to be diegetic because Penelope (and the sirens) are not gods. Meaning that all the other sirens are just singing from under the water 😂 Edit: and also that would mean the sirens are down there whispering about what’s going on 😅
given that youve already listened to the other songs of this saga, here's what the choir lyrics in No Longer You say: Still tho, spoilers ahead choir is inside parentheses also Tiresias' lyrics contain foreshadowing too, but they're more cryptic I see a song of past romance I see the sacrifice of man I see portrayals of betrayals And a brother's final stand I see you on the brink of death (Siren song, Scylla throat) I see you draw your final breath (Mutiny, lightning bolt) I see a man who gets to make it home alive (Find Poseidon) (Kill all the suitors for love) But it's no longer You (O-DY-SE-US) (O-DY-SE-US)
@@junovzla He has, yeah. ua-cam.com/video/RGB-Yu2AoWs/v-deo.html My comment: "6:40 I just watched an easter egg video that Jorge made, and he confirmed that they in fact ARE singing his name 😅" Odysseus, not Tiresias.
honestly I will never forget the feelings I got listening to this song without the animatics, they make it so easy to tell what's going on and strips away the uneasiness and mystery of it all, even a 5 year old would figure it out
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Fun fact: the biggest indicator that she isn't the real Penelope is that there's no viola in the song (the viola is Penelope's instrumen, you can hear it every time Odysseus sais her name in the other songs).
Yeah. The background sounds that replace Penelope’s viola are from the other sirens. There are always so many cool details in these songs
Exactly, there are no viola sounds, BUT if you listen closely, there are sounds similar to Polites' mallet, who's another person Odysseus cared about. The siren's song can't properly reach his ears (because of the beeswax) so she can't get everything right to lure him into the water e.g. the daughter.
Jay said that's how he envisioned the sirens' powers to work, so it's pretty cool!
@@OnlyHuman_AfterDark My personal headcanon is that the siren was able to pick out that Odysseus has a “child”, but either guessed wrong or assumed “daughter” by default because she’s a siren.
@@Tioko You're really close! Jay explained that the siren's powers only work if their song reaches the human's ears and gain access to their memories. Because of the beeswax Odysseus and his crew had put in, the siren couldn't get all the information correct, for instance the fact that he had a son instead of a daughter or that he in fact wasn't at all afraid of the water. She also confused the people Odysseus cared about as during Penelope's song you can't hear the viola (her signature instrument) but rather you can hear a mallet (the signature instrument of Politest, because he was another person Odysseus cared about and died). That's actually a very nice touch. And sad.
The “He will chase you high and low” beat is a throw beat back to the lines in The Horse and the Infant- “He will burn your house and throne. He’ll find you wherever you go” when talking about the baby.
THAT'S WHY IT SOUNDED SOOO FAMILIAR!!
@@Furina5OOye! I love whenever there are callbacks. It’s such good writing 🩵… even when it hurts
And when she says Scylla we get another piano drop similar to the one Circe has when she sang « problem is that prophet is dead »
fun fact: that creepy piano sound is actually Circe's motif...
bc Scylla was turned into a monster due to a spell of Circe so yh🥲
Thats the I dont trust you pose
😂
"Penelope oh my goshhhh stawppp" - Odysseus the wifeguy of Ithaca
Fr, my mans was twirling his hair and giggling 😭
@@Wurmss kicking his feet and blushing and you know he's like that with the real Penelope too
@@Luan-st2gb he's the bottom LMFAOAO
THE WIFEGUY OF ITHACA IS SUCH A SENTENCE I LOVE IT
He caught the Autistic Siren, she's been waiting to talk about maps for so long. She's me coded😂😂
sirens just know every route
@@dari9873 and horizon
Ok this is hilarious
its a fun detail that jorge put a little easteregg in there , penelopes instrument isnt in there so people know its not rly her
Oh niiiceeee!!😁
@@JenniferGlatzhoferYeah, and he also said something else which makes this even sadder. While there's no viola, there are mallet instruments, just like in Polites' song, because he was another person Odysseus cared about. The siren's song can't reach his ears properly to take effect so she's confusing stuff and people!
Jay explained it in a video and it's so cool!
Here’s a fun detail I noticed while watching this. Whenever the siren sings, I don’t know what to call them, pulsations wavering screen around her. It starts at the very beginning, but keeps going. I didn’t catch it for a bit, but it’s a very cool addition.
I actually caught that during the premiere hahah! 😁
Penelope siren is sung by the same singer for normal Penelope. I bet she had great fun and would be a good part to play in the show as she gets to be good and bad Penelope.
(My dad wanted to call me Penelope but my surname started with a p and my mum vetoed the name.
Ah!! That would be so much fun!😁
According to Jay, The Sirens have the ability to somehow read the mind of their victims to pass as one of their love ones, but, since Oddy had counter measures.... she wasn't able to do so effectively that's why she said Daughter instead of Son.
8:48 Funnily enough this isn't a new motif as the siren is singing the same melodic line that Zeus does in the first song when talking about the baby "he will burn your house and throne/ he'll find you wherever you go". Not sure if there is any thematic reason Jorge reused the melody there but I guess both lines are about him getting chased 🤷
Also, after the lyric "THE LAIR OF SCYLLA!", we can here Circe theme but on piano instead because, well Circe got some history with Scylla.
Jennifer, you should totally interview Jay about all the motives and his music writing after you're done reacting to the two last sagas ❤ It would be so fun I think!
“I see a song of past romance” the prophecy is written
One of the lines of no longer you
i just noticed this when she says " he will chase you high and low" he is looking at her lips thats why it zooms out thats so cool
I COULD TAKE THE SKIBIDI FROM YOU
😂😂
CASPER NOOOO!
NO
Casper nooooo
so true Casper!
Okay now I need Jen and Casper to cover this.
😱
Yes
This is a fantastic idea ❤
Fun fact: When Scylla is mentioned, you can hear Circe's motif in the background because Circe is the one who turned Scylla into a monster.
"Is he dreaming?" That was my first thought during the livestream!
POV, Jennifer at 6:40: LET'S CUT THE CHARADE YOU ARE NO WIFE OF MINE!
😱😱
You should watch jorge talk about how the siren’s powers work! Because there was actually a lot of different motifs that the sirens try to use to convince Odysseus! It was a tiktok but maybe you can find it on his UA-cam too
Oh nice!!
It never occurred to me until you compared it to whispers but now I’m wondering if [next song spoiler ahead]……
Maybe those vocals are meant to be what Odysseus is actually hearing through the beeswax. A little bit of their magic has to be reaching him since they have the insight into Penelope’s appearance and voice and the fact that there’s a child (even if they lack her instrument and say daughter instead of son) it’s just not enough to completely get him under the spell. So perhaps he is in fact hearing “whispers” of the siren song.
One of the things I like about Gigi's animation is that they focus a lot on Odysseus' eyes and the Siren's mouth.
Something I noticed you didn't point out is that when Odysseus says, "No..." and the beat hits, Gigi drew the outline briefly of Scylla on the screen and it quickly fades out.
Yes, I noticed both soon after and while editing (after having seen the next songs coming up)☺️
Because you have so much substance in what you talk about, meaning you are “reacting” but it’s actually analyzing the music is what has kept me coming back for your videos. You have compliments for actually making something that makes me want to watch your point of view instead of watching just the animatic. Well done. 💛
Thanks so much!
Hey jennifer, just to let you know, the next song is played imediatly after odysseus grabs his bows, so you might get a little surprised by the first notes :)
The videos are all prerecorded so at this point she’s already listened to different beast, and probably the whole thunder saga
That 'hand on chest moment" is the same reaction i had from hearing "then jump in the water and kiss me" 🤣 Penelope's voice actress is amazing and im already obsessed with The Challenge.
I love how she swims straight up to the side of his boat and spins like "LOVE ME DANGIT"
12:00 not all the instruments.
The piano plays and plays a motif we've heard from someone with a string instrument, but now on piano
It's a fun little easter egg of a connection between Scylla and another previously met character
YESSSS MY FAVORITE SAGA IS HERE!!!
There are SO many animatics for Suffering, with a lot of fun small interpretations of artists. I definitely recommend searching and watching some if you feel like re-watching EPIC songs.
I personally prefer the Suffering animatics that *don't* immediately betray what is happening, just like in No Longer You, but I can't deny how great they are either.
FUN FACT: When Scylla is mentioned, the piano that starts is playing the same melody as the strings in the Circe saga, illuding to the link between Scylla and circe
I've waited so long for you to hear that song!! It's one of my favorites!! ❤ i can't wait for you to listen to the Wizdom Saga after this great saga !!
7:36 hi hi! So jorge recently discussed this in a video before, and it happens quite frequently in 'suffering' and 'love in paradise'(Wisdom saga), im pretty sure! I just thought that was really cool that you noticed, not many people do :3
That piano bit is actually circe's motif played on the piano instead of the strings as a nod that she was the one who turned Scylla into a monster!
I dont know if you know, but Jay also wrote a musical called "My Heart Says Go"
I high key have been waiting on all the Epic reaction videos feverantly!
14:05 im not sure if its what you're thinking of but that reminds me of the Kingdom Hearts Traverse Town theme, or some KH theme
Insightful perspective Jennifer admire your courage and enthusiasm! Cool music channel 🎶
Thank you!
that line: "I would take the suffering from you" is a little like "warrior of the mind", now that I think of it. Different end, but still.
can we talk about the fact during all of this he had been reading her lips to see what she was saying??? Like dude, talent
Have a great time at the Premiere. I’ll watch later - on the road traveling. ❤
Pretty awesome thing about this, is you hear something is wrong if you notice there's no strings, there's no Penelope's motif! :D
Can't wait for different beast now
I am happy for every one of your videos that drops, but then having to wait reminds me of having to wait for a new Epic the Musical album 🥲
So for No Longer You, the lyric that you're thinking of wasn't 'suffering', it was Siren Song. Then there's Scylla Throat, Mutiny, and Lightning Bolt for the other three confirmed lyrics. The other ones Jay hasn't confirmed because he said it would be spoilers for upcoming songs.
Also, he explained how the Siren magic works. Their song is a spell that lets them access a person's memories so they can use them in their deception. However, since Ody can't hear her song properly because of the wax, the Siren's spell doesn't really work that well.
That's why she says daughter, since she can only tell Ody has a kid but not the gender. It's why she doesn't know he was lying about being afraid of the water. She also gets the context of other things wrong, getting happy things confused with negative ones and vice versa. It's why the "he will chase you high and low" cadence is so cheery, even tho that particular 'motive' is a negative one (it's used when Zeus is telling Ody about what will happen with the infant if Ody doesn't kill him, "he will burn your house and throne" and so on).
The motif of the siren after Odysseus asks for directions is the same musical line as “he will burn your house” sung by Zeus in the first song.
Thx for the reaction
“Penelope doesn’t come from the water”
But ody will be “getting in the water” 😂
TUNDER SAGA TIME!!
Hi Jennifer hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤
When you eventually get to Thunder Bringer, you should absolutely react to the Neal Illustrator animatic! It’s incredibly well done!
12:12 the piano was circe's melody btw
4:43 WAIT I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT! The voices have to be diegetic because Penelope (and the sirens) are not gods. Meaning that all the other sirens are just singing from under the water 😂
Edit: and also that would mean the sirens are down there whispering about what’s going on 😅
3:22 the way her head turned 😂
I always worry about people having visuals with this song since i feel like removes a bit of the confusion meant for the song
YESS FINALLY
JUMP IN THE WATER
Welcome to act 2!!
Would love to see you react to poseidon (Steven Rodriguez) and Hermes (TROY), their solo work away from Epic the musical
Finally my favorite saga is here
given that youve already listened to the other songs of this saga, here's what the choir lyrics in No Longer You say:
Still tho, spoilers ahead
choir is inside parentheses
also Tiresias' lyrics contain foreshadowing too, but they're more cryptic
I see a song of past romance
I see the sacrifice of man
I see portrayals of betrayals
And a brother's final stand
I see you on the brink of death (Siren song, Scylla throat)
I see you draw your final breath (Mutiny, lightning bolt)
I see a man who gets to make it home alive (Find Poseidon)
(Kill all the suitors for love)
But it's no longer
You
(O-DY-SE-US)
(O-DY-SE-US)
I thought the very ending chants after the final “you” were chanting “o- dee- see- us”
@@anabsolnamednyx899 according to the EPIC wiki it says Tiresias, but you might be right, idk if Jorge has confirmed this either way
@@junovzla He has, yeah.
ua-cam.com/video/RGB-Yu2AoWs/v-deo.html
My comment:
"6:40 I just watched an easter egg video that Jorge made, and he confirmed that they in fact ARE singing his name 😅"
Odysseus, not Tiresias.
@@dylanperryman8003 ah alright, thank you
it actually makes more sense that they say Ody's name
honestly I will never forget the feelings I got listening to this song without the animatics, they make it so easy to tell what's going on and strips away the uneasiness and mystery of it all, even a 5 year old would figure it out
It's me again my last comment was in no longer you and now we're at suffering, the Scylla supporter, two more songs♥️♥️♥️✨✨✨😈😈😈
Jennifer I hope you see this comment
Scylla
One of my favorite things for this song is that Penelopes motif never plays
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