11:00 - Love that you picked up on Athena's motif being played for Ares. It is indeed because they're both war gods (and siblings), but his is played on an erhu, a Chinese instrument, as a reference to Sun Tzu's 'Art of War'.
The small detail that I absolutely love in Neal's animatic is that all the damage that Athena does to the gigantic cloud form of Zeus actually reflects on his real body. At the end of the animatic with the hug, you can see that he has scars on his left arm and his face.
@sleepyalexa they can be. Several gods died in the mythology; you can look Pan for example. Plus, Zeus is said to be able to remove a god's immunity as he like
@projetpolaris6648 Oh, I figured after what Calypso said, that it's Jorge-Canon that they can't die in the rules of this musical. But anyway, Athena still has a part to play, so I highly doubt it. Unless Jay changed that too.
@@projetpolaris6648 its likely she has just been beaten into a coma and will return when Ody comes back to Ithica, a workaround how Zeus beat up Athena for making the war happen in the first place.
I actually find Ares' section really interesting! Athena pulls Aphrodite into her quick-thought, but because both Athena AND Ares are gods of war, they share similar abilities. Which is why Ares said "Really, Athena? These old tricks?" Ares has his own version of quick-though that induces rage instead of Athena's strategic thinking. So when Ares is introduced he's actually breaking through Athena's quick-thought and bringing them into his. That's also why you hear Athena's musical motif, but slowed down. Then after Ares insults Telemachus, she brings them back into hers.
One of my favorite little details in this is the statue of Zeus holding baby Athena at the beginning and its how he holds her at the end of the song as well. Top tier animatic.
And in the beginning, as pointed out by Airier in his reaction, the background statues and sculptures are of Zeus. Hairier goes into more in-depth analyses of the animatics and source material.
The fact that you seemingly LOOK AWAY every time the pillar showing Zeus holding baby Athena in his arms appears on screen in the beginning PHYSICALLY HURTS ME!😂 Side note, I love how Neal makes Zeus and Athena have the same hair style. It's such a cute detail.😊
I would like to say that in the official livestream animatics, Athena is lying on the ground, heavily wounded, and the light in her eyes goes out. Take from that as you will. Note: Calypso does say goddesses can’t die, but this feels official. And this *is* Zeus we’re talking about, the God King. So she could very well be dead. We can’t be sure how powerful Jorge’s Zeus is.
yes, this animatic was made to help us not feel like she's gone, but we are ALL on pins and needles waiting for confirmation. Jennifer when you see the live stream animatic maybe share that reaction?
@@togucvinw7 so it's weird... to my knowledge only one god dies... and its debated if he is dead (the story originates after several stories that say the Gods, this includes titans, can NOT die). But the gods are more than capable of being 'permanently' disabled. I quotation that because if you remove them from the thing that is being used to disable them they will get better. So in the case of Themis/mys that's probably Zeus's stomach, so yeah she is in a state akin to death but not actually dead as the gods "can not experience death". Based on my understandings that is. I could be wrong...
@@kennethmorgan8795 So she is kinda stuck in limbo inside Zeus’s stomach like Cronos and the other titans ? Damn, wonder why Athena never did anything about that 😅
"I think gods don't really have emotions." Well, Athena is a goddess too and the amount of guilt she felt for leaving Odysseus, her anger and hurt during "My Goodbye", and her desperation during this song proof that the gods do have emotions
A couple of gods' emotions: Zeus has so much pride and horny Poseidon is anger boy Aphrodite is jealous of any kind of pretty Ares is somehow angrier than Poseidon???
@@feldfosI mean, to be fair, Ares is the god of war. He is all about killing and violence so it makes sense that he’s angrier. Poseidon is overall a chill God, but he’s easily set off, like how unpredictable the ocean is :)
Y'know, Zeus *might* have just ended the game with Hera (since he said OR me), had Athena not used his infidelity to win over Hera's vote and embarrassed him.
In the official livestream animatic, when the piano softly plays Athena's motif after Zeus strikes her, there's a flashback from twenty years prior when Odysseus and Penelope brought newborn Telemachus to meet her and she held him for the first time that makes me tear up every time I watch it. I absolutely love Luke Holt's vocals for Zeus at the end; he really makes you feel how intimidating the god king can be. Also, on an unrelated note, Aphrodite being mad about Odysseus being gone when his mom died is kind of rich given that she's the entire reason the Trojan War even happened lol
In Homer's Odyssey, when Athena ask Zeus to help Odyssey get off the island, he complies because Zeus doesn't imprison Odyssey. It's just a unfortunate situation and Zeus is even like, 'it's not his destiny...'
@@littchimy4756 Jorge's Zeus: You're asking me to save that pipsqueak? After his men killed that holy cow? The man who doxed himself? That loser? The guy my brother has beef with? You're dying on the wrong hill.
@@sundalosketch4769i personally perceive it as Zeus being very prideful. He is the type of God who wouldn’t like to admit defeat, and he doesn’t view ody that high of a character to begin with so he doesn’t really care yknow?
Another reason Aphrodite would especially be against Ody is she is the reason we have the Trojan War. Hera, Athena and Aphrodite wanted to see who was "the fairest", so Eris (goddess of chaos) gave them an apple that was inscribed to the fairest and chose Paris, prince of Troy, to choose. To add to his choice, Hera offered Power with a kingdom, Athena offered Wisdom in that he'd never lose a battle he commanded, and Aphrodite offered him Love in the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris of course chose the girl, who happened to already be married to Mendalaeus who then brought all of Greece to get her back. And simultaneously Paris pissed off the goddesses of Wisdom in battle and the goddess of Marriage so this can only go well for Paris (looks at the Horse and the Infant). Aphrodite loves setting people up to an unhealthy level so the fact her prince of Troy who picked her was undone by Ody's plan of the Horse, she's probably gonna be mad at him forever. Also think she's who Zeus references when Ody wants to spare the infant in the line Send him far away from home, the gods will make him know
If I understand correctly, all the gods Athena needs to convince were on the Trojan side of the war. So it's an extra layer of meaning to convince them that Odysseus (who was the one who really won the Trojan war for the Greek side with the horse) should get mercy.
@ Hera and Hephaestus backed the Greeks, Hera for the scorn of Paris choosing Aphrodite and Hephaestus forged Achilles armor (though he did save a Trojan priests son from death). Could also see him wanting to spite Aphrodite for her constant cheating on him with Ares. Apollo helps the Trojans once Zeus, who favors the Trojans, orders him to do so, also he doesn't like Achilles for killing one of his sons. And Ares was loyal to Aphrodite and aided the Trojan forces. So a bit of a mixed bag in that regard
I like how easy it is to ultimately convince the gods, showing both how the Goddess of Wisdom is able to tune her arguments for each one, but also how its really only Zeus that cares. Nobody else actually cares to begin with.
Funny that you say that you believe gods don't have emotions, because they DO! Very strong ones in fact; - Athena is one of the few gods who is more monotone than anything. So for her breaking that because she FEELS this anguish for her friend is telling the other gods, her siblings essentially who know her best that she truly cares about this mortal. - Ares, Aphrodite and Apollo were all sided with Troy in the Trojan war, but Apollo's strife wasn't with Odysseus, but rather with Achilles and Agamemnon. Apollo during the entirety of the Trojan war, as Troy's patron god, was the embodiment of rage, rage that fueled Ares and Aphrodite, both war gods (Aphrodite in her own right). Funny enough, Zeus basically benched Ares and Aphrodite from the war, while Artemis was essentially beaten up by Hera, leaving Apollo to himself. With his siblings essentially out of the running, there was this rage that no god or human can quell until Achilles was dead. - Aphrodite is a war god in her own right because love is such a bloody thing sometimes. But here, she's catering to the fact that Anticlea (Odysseus's mother) died without knowing if her son was even alive. She would've very much seen him had he been able to make it home, but of course circumstances of story telling. Athena finds it harder to confront Aphrodite because they are polar opposites; Athena is a virgin goddess who finds no meaning in love and Aphrodite is a very passionate goddess whose whole thing IS love. It wasn't until Athena's passion showed in her fight with Ares that Aphrodite gave her approval. - Ares and Athena are both war gods. Athena is Zeus's favorite child while Ares is his least favorite. While Athena is embodiment of war strategy, using time as a tool to plan out certain events, Ares is the embodiment of the brutality of war. He is the bloodshed. He is the one that charges head on. I believe Jorge alluded that Ares has his own kind of 'Quick Thought' ability that he gives to very fed up soldiers when they want nothing more than to shed the blood of their enemies. But they are two sides of the same coin; war. - Gonna go back to Apollo for this; his problem never lied with Odysseus. In fact, Apollo saw Odysseus as the only redeemable Aechean in the entire war because of his use of wit. The argument of the sirens is a little silly to me because Apollo could've easily gone for the jugular and point out that Odysseus killed Astyanax, the infant son of Apollo's chosen champion, Hector. Losing Hector, Troilus (argued to be his son), and Astyanax was such a gut punch to Apollo that he very well could've chosen THAT argument, had he been one to hold a grudge (cough cough Poseidon). But Apollo can sometimes be very forgiving and understood that it was Zeus's call on the infant and not Odysseus's decision. So he chose not to hold a grudge on that (can't say the same for Zephyrus. Apollo is still very upset about Hyacinthus's death)
Ares was definitely playing with Athena's mind. As we've seen, Athena has the power to entire peoples (and gods) minds and affect how they view time for the purposes of strategy and planning. It's kind of like her own domain. Ares, being her brother (half-brother technically) would have a similar ability though more geared towards the brutality of war as opposed to the strategy that Athena embodies.
Jorge confirmed that they have the same “god power”, but Ares is the like dark version. So they can both control time inside of people’s heads, but Ares is more pushing the “kill them, kill them aspect” more than the “strategize and do this that’ll help you get the lead” aspect
Fun fact; Zues is the God of Judgement. Which is why he showed up in Thunderbringer instead of the God of the Sun, Helios. Basically Helios went to Zues and was like: I've been slighted. Deal with these mortals.
There's a cute little music Easter egg at the end part of the song right before the "let him go" bit. It's the warrior of the mind motif but it transitions into legendary right at the end. So it shows her bond to both Ody and Tele.
Honestly, the one thing I like about this particular animatic is that each back-and-forth is a fight scene. It adds just a little extra oomf to the atmosphere, and the epic fight at the end is just *chef's kiss* seeing your reaction to it, especially when you gasped at Ares' "Is she dead?!" made me grin; it's always a treat seeing your unfiltered responses to the story as it progresses.
With Hephaestus, you mentioned the metal strikes. Those are tubular bells, or called simply chimes. I loved playing them when I filled in the percussion section with my concert band! At first, they are played with the sustain pedal upright, which dampens the strikes. Usually, they are played with the pedal pressed down, allowing them to ring out like church bells (in fact, they are sometimes used in churches that can't get massive bells. We can hear those ringing tones when Athena sings. I absolutely loved the metal sound and the clever use of dampened the strikes for the god of blacksmiths and letting them ring for out champion.
9:30 Neal actually added the metal thud at the beginning and the at the end but fun fact the hammers when athena is speaking are going “Penelope” “Penelope” “Penelope”
Someone also said in a comment elsewhere an Ares idea that I liked. Where Athena is a warrior of the mind, Ares would be a warrior of the heart. His domain was less about strategy and more about fighting your hardest because you mean it. With that said, Telemachus would be a model citizen in Ares eyes. He fights even though he has no chance to win. The fights for the honor of his family. He fights to protect his mother. These are all ideals that Ares exemplifies, which means that him dispraging Telemachus isn't a personal attack, he's doing what brothers do best and pissing his sister off, but he is doing it to force her into his domain, fighting with your heart, not fighting with your mind
I find it very cool that as Athena fights against each God (in terms of the arguments) by playing towards their egos and wants. But as she gets closer and closer to free Ody she slowly loses that and is more emotional in her arguments. Probably leading to her mistake of DEMANDING that Zeus sets Ody free at the end there. Which a more clear headed Athena would have never made that mistake. But then she remembers how to get through to Zeus and that is to just drop the pride and beg. Feels like her time with Telemachus has her acting more human, which almost cost her here.
I’m not sure if someone mentioned this but interesting myth factoid, Athena and Ares being both war gods people depict them as essentially brain vs brawn. In more recent history a lot of people make them feel like twins despite not being born anywhere near each other.
the canon version of this fight, when Athena is first struck with the lightning. She has a memory of baby Telemachus which gives her the resolve to keep fighting.
Athena and Ares are gods of war but two very very different aspects of war. Athena is about the discipline, the tactics, the strategy the ability to plan and win the outcome of war. Ares however is the harsh reality of war. He is the death, the bloodshed, the brutality of war. And it plays out how they move in this and other animatics.
A good way to think of Athena vs Ares when it comes to being god/goddess of war, is Athena is more the goddess of STRATEGIC war, while Ares can be thought of as more tactical. He's for the guy out on the battlefield slashing, while Athena would be moreso the general commanding all the troops where to go. (Hence why he disliked the Trojan horse so much, he thinks it's cowardly even though it was a brilliant strategic move). I think this is my first time commenting, but I've really enjoyed your reactions so far! Looking forward to seeing you react to the next arc )))))
13:46 not only could that be taken as a dig at Zeus being famously unfaithful to Hera in, well, ALL of Greek mythology, it also is very likely a reference to what she is the goddess of! Hera is the goddess of family, childbirth, women, and *marriage*. So the fact that Athena told her in the 20 YEARS that Odysseus had been parted from Penelope, he'd stayed faithful? Would be a fairly good argument for the goddess who oversaw marriages!
So, good news is she lived. She wont forget the beating though. Love that the artist does add in the very beginning a statue of Zeus holding a baby Athena showcasing their closeness for this, which adds to the weight of the ending panel of her being held by him. Great details.
11:56 Ares is the God of War, mainly because he represents the traditional aspect of war: Blood and Glory. Little known fact, (and this will be hilarious) Ares is almost always wrongly depicted in modern media; According to the ancient poems and mythology, Ares is a handsome YOUNG god with a pristine face, even with scars around his body. He is also known to be quick to retreat to Zeus whenever he loses or is starting to lose a battle. (So there's hypocrisy in his argument about Scylla) Both these animators did a great job not putting a beard on Ares because THAT'S WHAT "CANON" Ares is.
ALSO: I pointed out the beard thing because Ares is voiced by Earl Gresham Jr., A.k.a. MocaMedia. Most animators will draw Ares with dreadlocks because Moca has dreadlocks, but the thing is: he also has a beard. Ares doesn't have a beard in these animatics..the attention to detail is insane
not only does Zeus know what happened to Odysseus after thunder bringer, it was part of the god's plan to send Odysseus to Calypso, so he literally sent him there
I like to think zeus was mad since he gave athena 2 options , convince the 5 other gods OR only convince him , if athena would try to convince zeus only he could be like ''oh i'll be a generous ruler and eventually give in'' making him look like a good guy but since she went against his thinking and convinced the other gods she pretty much made a fool of zeus
The reason why Hera was so quick to release him after she said “never once has he cheated on his wife” is because she’s the Goddess of marriage. Any man who is loyal to their wife has her praise.
Neal's artwork really does Hera *JUSTICE!!* Edit : Don't worry Jen, she is a goddess, she can't exactly die. Tho in one part of the original Odyssey zeus tells hera and athena that if he hit them with his thunderbolt it would take 10 YEARS for them to fully recover, so she definitely wasn't having a good time either.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the thunder bolt of Zeus is one of the few weapons that could kill Gods. The whole thing was that he used it to win against his forefathers, namely the titans. Maybe I'm wrong and he just beat them and then sealed them away but I could of sworn the bolt could kill Gods.
@Logicalleaping You are right about the part he did use it to win against the titans but it can't exactly "Kill" Them, it just can hurt them enough to bring it close, none of the titans are dead, just in tartarus, and kronos their leader has his body cut in pieces but is still technically alive
@@Logicalleaping God's and Titans are not "mortal", so they can't be killed, not even by Zeus. They can be hurt, harmed, dismembered, tortured, but they will live. Kronos, the father of the Olympians, ate his children, and Zeus was still able to free them upon defeating his father. But even chopping up Kronos's body couldn't kill him, and he persists.
11:48 Ares is the god of war, and Athena is the goddess of war, but I think Ares is about the more brutality side of the bloodshed, and Athena is the more strategic battle wise, hence Warrior of the Mind
I like Athena but in my honest opinion her come backs fall short, like Ody being betrayed it was Eury as far as we know he's the only one to open the wind bag, and when the crew stabbed ody they only did it after he sacrificed six men, for all he knew he could of talked about it to his crew but he didn't trust them enough to think there would be a few who would sacrifice to help the rest. also, with Aphrodite she basically says womp womp to the broken heart part lol. The only part I can agree with after rewatching again and again is her come back to Apollo, and Ares, other than the Scylla part oh and Heras lol but that's self explanatory.
aphrodite is married to hephaestus, but she and ares are lovers. it makes sense he would interject on her behalf. but if you pay attention, athena uses her technique "quick thought" on aphrodite, which leads ares to use it on her, and then her to use it on ares after that. the clock in the back of the music gets slower and slower each time, which is really cool.
Depending on which myth you read: Athena was born by parthenogenesis and emerges from Zeus’s forehead or she is the daughter of Zeus and Metis and because of a prophesy that his first born would steal his throne so he Swallows Metis but Athena is still born and emerges from Zeus’ head in full armour.
Well in the official cinematic she "dies" (We actually dont know if she's really dead cuz like Calipso says "Last i checked goddesses can't die") and when start the warrior of the mind motif she saw her memories of ody showing her Telemachus, and after this, she fall over Zeus saying "Let him go please" and her eyes lost the "soul" in it, its a freaking sad animatic...
What's interesting is that in the Odyssey, this is where the story actually begins, with the gods discussing the fates of those returning home from the Trojan War and Athena uses it as an opportunity to plead with Zeus on Odysseus' behalf. It amuses me because it makes me think about someone listening to God Games as their first exposure to EPIC and going "Wait, what's going on?" 😆
Apollo gets associated with the sun a lot in modern times but that only started because of the Romans, whose own Sun God overlapped with Poetry and Prophecy, which were Apollo's domains.
omg I didn't know that Hephestaus was Jorge's father, that's so fucking cool of him getting the whole family involved in, potentially, his biggest proejct.
also its super big that she referred to Telemachus as her friend in this story. As she doesn't have many other people she is close with, ala vow of Virginity which I think is carried on in this story in that she only ever reveals herself to her champion. That is, before the loss of her champion affected her of course.
If you watch the animatics from the vengeance saga stream you should watch the bit at the end of god games as well because it’s so good and there’s a really nice moment during the music
Apollo: god of light, music (he was made a sun god in rome) likes sirens for their singing. Hephaestus: god of fire and craftsmanship (trust isn't given it's forged as he sings) so mad that he broke that trust Aphrodite: goddess of passion s*x and desire (love was spilt into different things which all had gods) mad he let someone die of a broken heart Ares: God of war, power and brutality (the reason he's able to shatter Athena's power is because he's the opposite to her more thoughtful warfare, he and Aphrodite are lovers thus why they fight together as all is fair between love and war) Mad he didn't fight or kill the monsters Hera: goddess of family, childbirth, heroes and marriage (that's why she's moved by that argument, although he does with Circe in the Odyssey but we'll leave that here) Zues: god of storms, hospitality and oaths, (was told by the fates if he had a son by Athena's mother Metis, that said son would be more powerful and overthrow him, so he tricked her to transform into a fly and then ate her, 9 months later Athena spawned from his head)
Fun facts: Athena is close to Zeus’ power. Her and ares represent the two sides of war, Athena the more strategic side and Ares represents the more ruthless and violent side.
So something’s I think you should know in this song that makes it so much heartbreaking and cool is: - Ares and Athena are brothers, but often fight each other or disagree in their ways to deals with some situations that require fighting. As you know, Ares is more of the blood war, aggressive and destructive. Athena is more of strategic war and try to not use the force unless is really needed. Adding to this, Ares was in the side of the Trojans while Athena with the Greeks during the Trojan War, so pretty much Ares argument/verse in this song is really just bringing how “coward” he thinks Odysseus is (and hating in general). That’s why also in this animatic is so moving how Neal shows their relationship more “nicer”, even in the part when Zeus attacks Athena with a thunder, he is the one asking: “is she dead?”. - Second, bringing back the Trojan War, there were many gods involved. Not only Ares, but also Aphrodite, Apollo, Hera, etc. So maybe it makes sense that they bring this gods to try to convince them for Odysseus release. (In this EPIC version, in the original Odyssey it’s quite of more simple xD) - Ares and Aphrodite are lovers, so that’s why like their verse and visually are so next to each other. In Neal’s version, I love how she completes Ares sword is such a nice detail! *Now Musically*. - In the last minute where the piano starts playing, in the livestream, we got a flashback of 20 years before, where Odysseus with Penelope show her baby Telemachus. So that's why the melody first goes with warrior of the mind motif: First with Athena verse: "Maybe one day they’ll follow me and we’ll make a greater tomorrow, then they’ll see… " Then Odysseus/Athena verse: "I know we’ll change the world cause we will be…" And then you can hear Legendary motif: "We will be Legendary". The flashbacks ends and after that we see how Athena is “fighting” or just going forward to Zeus with Warrior of the mind orchestra, cause she’s not only fighting for Ody, also for Telemachus, for her friends ❤ Sorry if this was a lot, but I just love how Jorge just displays a lot of music layers and all of them are sort of storytelling
Actually Apollo is only associated with the sun in the Roman pantheon, in the Greek one he's still the music and whatnot guy, and since the Odysey is Greek he has no domain over the sun (yet)
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11:50 ares is the god of war, bloodshed and courage, he's mad because odysseus lacks courage and was always a coward and not really because of bloodshed.
I really hate Zeus but he is not without moments of compassion in myth, albeit VERY rare. For instance protecting his demigod children from Hera's wrath by hiding them away and the like.
There's also the story of Typhon, a big monster sent by Gaia to kill Zeus and take Olympus. Zeus ensured that his children, his DIVINE children (Artemis, Apollo, Hermes, Ares, Athena and Dionysus), made it to Egypt safely before turning around and trying to fight Typhon himself (he fails, so the kids come back)
Fun facts: just like Ares and Athena, both representing a side of war, Aphrodite is also considered a goddess of war and had cults worship her in Sparta, Thebes, and Cyprus! That’s why she proves herself to be difficult to convince and why she has more lines than one would expect, unlike Apollo and Hephaestus. She and Ares both know about war at a deeper level that Athena also gets which makes it harder for her to quickly get them to appeal for Odysseus’s release. Another one is that in the livestream when the Wisdom Saga came out is that instead of fighting Zeus, we see a memory of Athan where Odysseus and Penelope go to her and present Telemachus to Athena. That’s why the melody of Warrior of the Mind changes for a moment into Legendary; that was the moment Athena saw and held Telemachus!
Ares is the god of war but specially the brutality of war. Athena is the aspect of war of strategy. Strategy gonna take the day more often than brute strength (example the Trojan War where Ares sided with Troy and Athena the Greeks). Also love her response saying hold your tongue now, his son's my friend. Brings it full circle from when Athena told Odysseus You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend.
9:08 It's kinda poetic, that the man who built the recording booth for EPIC voices the god of craftsmanship
Father jalepeno is a man of many talents.
Didn't know he made the recording booth, neat.
@@kennethmorgan8795 they made a few tiktok vlogs about it.
In a way, that was Jorge's teaser for Hefefuf
@@kennethmorgan8795 Jorge has a series of him and his dad building the booth
11:00 - Love that you picked up on Athena's motif being played for Ares. It is indeed because they're both war gods (and siblings), but his is played on an erhu, a Chinese instrument, as a reference to Sun Tzu's 'Art of War'.
Yeees! So cool!!
@@JenniferGlatzhofer I have been trying to remember the name of that instrument for a week now. Thank you so much.
The small detail that I absolutely love in Neal's animatic is that all the damage that Athena does to the gigantic cloud form of Zeus actually reflects on his real body. At the end of the animatic with the hug, you can see that he has scars on his left arm and his face.
Ooh yeah nice spot!
His scars now matches the scars he put on Athena. Another thing they can share.
"I'm glad she didn't die''
Stops 0.001sec before her arm fall
I mean, Gods can't die
@sleepyalexa they can be. Several gods died in the mythology; you can look Pan for example. Plus, Zeus is said to be able to remove a god's immunity as he like
@projetpolaris6648 Oh, I figured after what Calypso said, that it's Jorge-Canon that they can't die in the rules of this musical. But anyway, Athena still has a part to play, so I highly doubt it. Unless Jay changed that too.
@@projetpolaris6648 I think they meant in reference to Calypso in the last song
"'Cause last I've checked, goddesses can't die"
@@projetpolaris6648 its likely she has just been beaten into a coma and will return when Ody comes back to Ithica, a workaround how Zeus beat up Athena for making the war happen in the first place.
I actually find Ares' section really interesting! Athena pulls Aphrodite into her quick-thought, but because both Athena AND Ares are gods of war, they share similar abilities. Which is why Ares said "Really, Athena? These old tricks?" Ares has his own version of quick-though that induces rage instead of Athena's strategic thinking. So when Ares is introduced he's actually breaking through Athena's quick-thought and bringing them into his. That's also why you hear Athena's musical motif, but slowed down. Then after Ares insults Telemachus, she brings them back into hers.
Jorge has also mentioned that they stack, which is why the clock sound changes speed each time one of them uses it.
One of my favorite little details in this is the statue of Zeus holding baby Athena at the beginning and its how he holds her at the end of the song as well. Top tier animatic.
And in the beginning, as pointed out by Airier in his reaction, the background statues and sculptures are of Zeus. Hairier goes into more in-depth analyses of the animatics and source material.
Athena is truly favored by Zeus of all the Gods. She is the only one given any recognition in his gallery besides himself.
It is weird that there is a statue of her as a baby tho, since she was born as an adult in full armor when she hatched from Zues' head
The fact that you seemingly LOOK AWAY every time the pillar showing Zeus holding baby Athena in his arms appears on screen in the beginning PHYSICALLY HURTS ME!😂
Side note, I love how Neal makes Zeus and Athena have the same hair style. It's such a cute detail.😊
I would like to say that in the official livestream animatics, Athena is lying on the ground, heavily wounded, and the light in her eyes goes out. Take from that as you will.
Note: Calypso does say goddesses can’t die, but this feels official. And this *is* Zeus we’re talking about, the God King. So she could very well be dead. We can’t be sure how powerful Jorge’s Zeus is.
yes, this animatic was made to help us not feel like she's gone, but we are ALL on pins and needles waiting for confirmation. Jennifer when you see the live stream animatic maybe share that reaction?
In the OG she doesn't die, but she is left outta commission recovering for like... 10 years.
I mean didn’t Zeus ate Themys(mother of Athena) ? Isn’t she dead too(or is she living still inside him?) ?
@@togucvinw7 so it's weird... to my knowledge only one god dies... and its debated if he is dead (the story originates after several stories that say the Gods, this includes titans, can NOT die). But the gods are more than capable of being 'permanently' disabled. I quotation that because if you remove them from the thing that is being used to disable them they will get better. So in the case of Themis/mys that's probably Zeus's stomach, so yeah she is in a state akin to death but not actually dead as the gods "can not experience death". Based on my understandings that is. I could be wrong...
@@kennethmorgan8795 So she is kinda stuck in limbo inside Zeus’s stomach like Cronos and the other titans ? Damn, wonder why Athena never did anything about that 😅
Gal... You are NOT prepered for the vengence saga. None of us were. Im still numm from that expirience... 😭😭😭
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Im talking especially for the last song.
"I think gods don't really have emotions." Well, Athena is a goddess too and the amount of guilt she felt for leaving Odysseus, her anger and hurt during "My Goodbye", and her desperation during this song proof that the gods do have emotions
Oh so true!!!
@JenniferGlatzhofer Just to say it, it wasn't meant as criticism, just wanted to mention it. Love your Epic reactions, keep going xD
A couple of gods' emotions:
Zeus has so much pride and horny
Poseidon is anger boy
Aphrodite is jealous of any kind of pretty
Ares is somehow angrier than Poseidon???
@@feldfosI mean, to be fair, Ares is the god of war. He is all about killing and violence so it makes sense that he’s angrier. Poseidon is overall a chill God, but he’s easily set off, like how unpredictable the ocean is :)
The gods are overly emotionaly imo. They are quick to anger at least. Lol
Y'know, Zeus *might* have just ended the game with Hera (since he said OR me), had Athena not used his infidelity to win over Hera's vote and embarrassed him.
In the official livestream animatic, when the piano softly plays Athena's motif after Zeus strikes her, there's a flashback from twenty years prior when Odysseus and Penelope brought newborn Telemachus to meet her and she held him for the first time that makes me tear up every time I watch it. I absolutely love Luke Holt's vocals for Zeus at the end; he really makes you feel how intimidating the god king can be. Also, on an unrelated note, Aphrodite being mad about Odysseus being gone when his mom died is kind of rich given that she's the entire reason the Trojan War even happened lol
In Homer's Odyssey, when Athena ask Zeus to help Odyssey get off the island, he complies because Zeus doesn't imprison Odyssey. It's just a unfortunate situation and Zeus is even like, 'it's not his destiny...'
And then there is Jorge's version
@@littchimy4756 Jorge's Zeus: You're asking me to save that pipsqueak? After his men killed that holy cow? The man who doxed himself? That loser? The guy my brother has beef with? You're dying on the wrong hill.
@@sundalosketch4769i personally perceive it as Zeus being very prideful. He is the type of God who wouldn’t like to admit defeat, and he doesn’t view ody that high of a character to begin with so he doesn’t really care yknow?
@@gabby.watson Yeah, that's another good interpretation. /gen
Another reason Aphrodite would especially be against Ody is she is the reason we have the Trojan War. Hera, Athena and Aphrodite wanted to see who was "the fairest", so Eris (goddess of chaos) gave them an apple that was inscribed to the fairest and chose Paris, prince of Troy, to choose. To add to his choice, Hera offered Power with a kingdom, Athena offered Wisdom in that he'd never lose a battle he commanded, and Aphrodite offered him Love in the most beautiful woman in the world. Paris of course chose the girl, who happened to already be married to Mendalaeus who then brought all of Greece to get her back. And simultaneously Paris pissed off the goddesses of Wisdom in battle and the goddess of Marriage so this can only go well for Paris (looks at the Horse and the Infant).
Aphrodite loves setting people up to an unhealthy level so the fact her prince of Troy who picked her was undone by Ody's plan of the Horse, she's probably gonna be mad at him forever. Also think she's who Zeus references when Ody wants to spare the infant in the line Send him far away from home, the gods will make him know
If I understand correctly, all the gods Athena needs to convince were on the Trojan side of the war. So it's an extra layer of meaning to convince them that Odysseus (who was the one who really won the Trojan war for the Greek side with the horse) should get mercy.
@ Hera and Hephaestus backed the Greeks, Hera for the scorn of Paris choosing Aphrodite and Hephaestus forged Achilles armor (though he did save a Trojan priests son from death). Could also see him wanting to spite Aphrodite for her constant cheating on him with Ares. Apollo helps the Trojans once Zeus, who favors the Trojans, orders him to do so, also he doesn't like Achilles for killing one of his sons. And Ares was loyal to Aphrodite and aided the Trojan forces. So a bit of a mixed bag in that regard
In that little soft piano moment, you first here warrior of the mind but the last few notes were from legendary
I like how easy it is to ultimately convince the gods, showing both how the Goddess of Wisdom is able to tune her arguments for each one, but also how its really only Zeus that cares. Nobody else actually cares to begin with.
Funny that you say that you believe gods don't have emotions, because they DO! Very strong ones in fact;
- Athena is one of the few gods who is more monotone than anything. So for her breaking that because she FEELS this anguish for her friend is telling the other gods, her siblings essentially who know her best that she truly cares about this mortal.
- Ares, Aphrodite and Apollo were all sided with Troy in the Trojan war, but Apollo's strife wasn't with Odysseus, but rather with Achilles and Agamemnon. Apollo during the entirety of the Trojan war, as Troy's patron god, was the embodiment of rage, rage that fueled Ares and Aphrodite, both war gods (Aphrodite in her own right). Funny enough, Zeus basically benched Ares and Aphrodite from the war, while Artemis was essentially beaten up by Hera, leaving Apollo to himself. With his siblings essentially out of the running, there was this rage that no god or human can quell until Achilles was dead.
- Aphrodite is a war god in her own right because love is such a bloody thing sometimes. But here, she's catering to the fact that Anticlea (Odysseus's mother) died without knowing if her son was even alive. She would've very much seen him had he been able to make it home, but of course circumstances of story telling. Athena finds it harder to confront Aphrodite because they are polar opposites; Athena is a virgin goddess who finds no meaning in love and Aphrodite is a very passionate goddess whose whole thing IS love. It wasn't until Athena's passion showed in her fight with Ares that Aphrodite gave her approval.
- Ares and Athena are both war gods. Athena is Zeus's favorite child while Ares is his least favorite. While Athena is embodiment of war strategy, using time as a tool to plan out certain events, Ares is the embodiment of the brutality of war. He is the bloodshed. He is the one that charges head on. I believe Jorge alluded that Ares has his own kind of 'Quick Thought' ability that he gives to very fed up soldiers when they want nothing more than to shed the blood of their enemies. But they are two sides of the same coin; war.
- Gonna go back to Apollo for this; his problem never lied with Odysseus. In fact, Apollo saw Odysseus as the only redeemable Aechean in the entire war because of his use of wit. The argument of the sirens is a little silly to me because Apollo could've easily gone for the jugular and point out that Odysseus killed Astyanax, the infant son of Apollo's chosen champion, Hector. Losing Hector, Troilus (argued to be his son), and Astyanax was such a gut punch to Apollo that he very well could've chosen THAT argument, had he been one to hold a grudge (cough cough Poseidon). But Apollo can sometimes be very forgiving and understood that it was Zeus's call on the infant and not Odysseus's decision. So he chose not to hold a grudge on that (can't say the same for Zephyrus. Apollo is still very upset about Hyacinthus's death)
Wow, reading that payed off, thanks for sharing!
Ares was definitely playing with Athena's mind. As we've seen, Athena has the power to entire peoples (and gods) minds and affect how they view time for the purposes of strategy and planning. It's kind of like her own domain. Ares, being her brother (half-brother technically) would have a similar ability though more geared towards the brutality of war as opposed to the strategy that Athena embodies.
Jorge confirmed that they have the same “god power”, but Ares is the like dark version. So they can both control time inside of people’s heads, but Ares is more pushing the “kill them, kill them aspect” more than the “strategize and do this that’ll help you get the lead” aspect
Fun fact; Zues is the God of Judgement. Which is why he showed up in Thunderbringer instead of the God of the Sun, Helios. Basically Helios went to Zues and was like: I've been slighted. Deal with these mortals.
The gods do have emotions. They just have the self regulation skills of bratty 5 year olds who haven't been told "no" nearly enough.
There's a cute little music Easter egg at the end part of the song right before the "let him go" bit. It's the warrior of the mind motif but it transitions into legendary right at the end. So it shows her bond to both Ody and Tele.
Honestly, the one thing I like about this particular animatic is that each back-and-forth is a fight scene. It adds just a little extra oomf to the atmosphere, and the epic fight at the end is just *chef's kiss* seeing your reaction to it, especially when you gasped at Ares' "Is she dead?!" made me grin; it's always a treat seeing your unfiltered responses to the story as it progresses.
11:00 Ares is also a god of war and has the same power as Athena. So the clock slowing down is him using his power in hers making it Quick Thought X2
With Hephaestus, you mentioned the metal strikes. Those are tubular bells, or called simply chimes. I loved playing them when I filled in the percussion section with my concert band! At first, they are played with the sustain pedal upright, which dampens the strikes. Usually, they are played with the pedal pressed down, allowing them to ring out like church bells (in fact, they are sometimes used in churches that can't get massive bells. We can hear those ringing tones when Athena sings. I absolutely loved the metal sound and the clever use of dampened the strikes for the god of blacksmiths and letting them ring for out champion.
9:30 Neal actually added the metal thud at the beginning and the at the end but fun fact the hammers when athena is speaking are going “Penelope” “Penelope” “Penelope”
Something most people miss is that at the end, before the Warrior of the Mind theme kicks, we get also a hint of "Legendary"
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Someone also said in a comment elsewhere an Ares idea that I liked. Where Athena is a warrior of the mind, Ares would be a warrior of the heart. His domain was less about strategy and more about fighting your hardest because you mean it. With that said, Telemachus would be a model citizen in Ares eyes. He fights even though he has no chance to win. The fights for the honor of his family. He fights to protect his mother. These are all ideals that Ares exemplifies, which means that him dispraging Telemachus isn't a personal attack, he's doing what brothers do best and pissing his sister off, but he is doing it to force her into his domain, fighting with your heart, not fighting with your mind
I find it very cool that as Athena fights against each God (in terms of the arguments) by playing towards their egos and wants. But as she gets closer and closer to free Ody she slowly loses that and is more emotional in her arguments. Probably leading to her mistake of DEMANDING that Zeus sets Ody free at the end there. Which a more clear headed Athena would have never made that mistake. But then she remembers how to get through to Zeus and that is to just drop the pride and beg.
Feels like her time with Telemachus has her acting more human, which almost cost her here.
I’m not sure if someone mentioned this but interesting myth factoid, Athena and Ares being both war gods people depict them as essentially brain vs brawn. In more recent history a lot of people make them feel like twins despite not being born anywhere near each other.
I love the moment just before Athena opens her eyes where warrior of the mind turns into legendary for a moment
the canon version of this fight, when Athena is first struck with the lightning. She has a memory of baby Telemachus which gives her the resolve to keep fighting.
Athena and Ares are gods of war but two very very different aspects of war. Athena is about the discipline, the tactics, the strategy the ability to plan and win the outcome of war.
Ares however is the harsh reality of war. He is the death, the bloodshed, the brutality of war. And it plays out how they move in this and other animatics.
A good way to think of Athena vs Ares when it comes to being god/goddess of war, is Athena is more the goddess of STRATEGIC war, while Ares can be thought of as more tactical. He's for the guy out on the battlefield slashing, while Athena would be moreso the general commanding all the troops where to go. (Hence why he disliked the Trojan horse so much, he thinks it's cowardly even though it was a brilliant strategic move). I think this is my first time commenting, but I've really enjoyed your reactions so far! Looking forward to seeing you react to the next arc )))))
13:46 not only could that be taken as a dig at Zeus being famously unfaithful to Hera in, well, ALL of Greek mythology, it also is very likely a reference to what she is the goddess of!
Hera is the goddess of family, childbirth, women, and *marriage*. So the fact that Athena told her in the 20 YEARS that Odysseus had been parted from Penelope, he'd stayed faithful? Would be a fairly good argument for the goddess who oversaw marriages!
So, good news is she lived. She wont forget the beating though.
Love that the artist does add in the very beginning a statue of Zeus holding a baby Athena showcasing their closeness for this, which adds to the weight of the ending panel of her being held by him. Great details.
17:13 One more detail in that fight in the end is that Odysseus' Warrior of the Mind tune plays and then morphs into Telemechus' Legendary
I’m Beyond excited to see your reaction to the next saga, it’s so good but no one was prepared for it
“This Animatic is so good” Well fun fact: this Animator has also done Ruthlessness and Thunder Bringer…if you need some Patreon content
"girl??? why did your arm just fold???" LMAOOO the way you said that just made me laugh for some reason XD
11:56 Ares is the God of War, mainly because he represents the traditional aspect of war: Blood and Glory. Little known fact, (and this will be hilarious)
Ares is almost always wrongly depicted in modern media;
According to the ancient poems and mythology, Ares is a handsome YOUNG god with a pristine face, even with scars around his body.
He is also known to be quick to retreat to Zeus whenever he loses or is starting to lose a battle. (So there's hypocrisy in his argument about Scylla)
Both these animators did a great job not putting a beard on Ares because THAT'S WHAT "CANON" Ares is.
ALSO: I pointed out the beard thing because Ares is voiced by Earl Gresham Jr., A.k.a. MocaMedia. Most animators will draw Ares with dreadlocks because Moca has dreadlocks, but the thing is: he also has a beard. Ares doesn't have a beard in these animatics..the attention to detail is insane
not only does Zeus know what happened to Odysseus after thunder bringer, it was part of the god's plan to send Odysseus to Calypso, so he literally sent him there
If you don’t know already, Hephaestus is voiced by Jay’s dad
I like to think zeus was mad since he gave athena 2 options , convince the 5 other gods OR only convince him , if athena would try to convince zeus only he could be like ''oh i'll be a generous ruler and eventually give in'' making him look like a good guy but since she went against his thinking and convinced the other gods she pretty much made a fool of zeus
And throwing in that line about his cheating on Hera probably didn’t help with his mood too. His shame
I have caught up to all of your reactions I need the next ones like *now* lol You're lovely!
"Oh Odysseus is gonna be mad."
That's an understatement, just you wait 😂
I got to experience this beautiful animatic for the first time all over again with you that's lovely.
The reason why Hera was so quick to release him after she said “never once has he cheated on his wife” is because she’s the Goddess of marriage. Any man who is loyal to their wife has her praise.
13:29 Fun fact, Teagan did the placeholder vocals for Hera and affectionately nicknamed her Shera. 😂
Neal's artwork really does Hera *JUSTICE!!*
Edit : Don't worry Jen, she is a goddess, she can't exactly die. Tho in one part of the original Odyssey zeus tells hera and athena that if he hit them with his thunderbolt it would take 10 YEARS for them to fully recover, so she definitely wasn't having a good time either.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the thunder bolt of Zeus is one of the few weapons that could kill Gods. The whole thing was that he used it to win against his forefathers, namely the titans. Maybe I'm wrong and he just beat them and then sealed them away but I could of sworn the bolt could kill Gods.
@Logicalleaping You are right about the part he did use it to win against the titans but it can't exactly "Kill" Them, it just can hurt them enough to bring it close, none of the titans are dead, just in tartarus, and kronos their leader has his body cut in pieces but is still technically alive
@@Logicalleaping God's and Titans are not "mortal", so they can't be killed, not even by Zeus. They can be hurt, harmed, dismembered, tortured, but they will live. Kronos, the father of the Olympians, ate his children, and Zeus was still able to free them upon defeating his father. But even chopping up Kronos's body couldn't kill him, and he persists.
HELL YEAH! NEAL'S ANIMATIC BABY, I'M SO EXCITED
father god king / thunder bringer ( letting you know if you didn't know!)
11:48 Ares is the god of war, and Athena is the goddess of war, but I think Ares is about the more brutality side of the bloodshed, and Athena is the more strategic battle wise, hence Warrior of the Mind
I like Athena but in my honest opinion her come backs fall short, like Ody being betrayed it was Eury as far as we know he's the only one to open the wind bag, and when the crew stabbed ody they only did it after he sacrificed six men, for all he knew he could of talked about it to his crew but he didn't trust them enough to think there would be a few who would sacrifice to help the rest. also, with Aphrodite she basically says womp womp to the broken heart part lol. The only part I can agree with after rewatching again and again is her come back to Apollo, and Ares, other than the Scylla part oh and Heras lol but that's self explanatory.
Your reactions are such a delight 😂😂
Thank you!
Vengeance is next and I can’t wait to see your reaction to the whole saga
aphrodite is married to hephaestus, but she and ares are lovers. it makes sense he would interject on her behalf. but if you pay attention, athena uses her technique "quick thought" on aphrodite, which leads ares to use it on her, and then her to use it on ares after that. the clock in the back of the music gets slower and slower each time, which is really cool.
Depending on which myth you read: Athena was born by parthenogenesis and emerges from Zeus’s forehead or she is the daughter of Zeus and Metis and because of a prophesy that his first born would steal his throne so he Swallows Metis but Athena is still born and emerges from Zeus’ head in full armour.
Well in the official cinematic she "dies" (We actually dont know if she's really dead cuz like Calipso says "Last i checked goddesses can't die") and when start the warrior of the mind motif she saw her memories of ody showing her Telemachus, and after this, she fall over Zeus saying "Let him go please" and her eyes lost the "soul" in it, its a freaking sad animatic...
What's interesting is that in the Odyssey, this is where the story actually begins, with the gods discussing the fates of those returning home from the Trojan War and Athena uses it as an opportunity to plead with Zeus on Odysseus' behalf. It amuses me because it makes me think about someone listening to God Games as their first exposure to EPIC and going "Wait, what's going on?" 😆
Apollo gets associated with the sun a lot in modern times but that only started because of the Romans, whose own Sun God overlapped with Poetry and Prophecy, which were Apollo's domains.
LETS GOOOO NEAL ILLUSTRATOR IS PEAK
omg I didn't know that Hephestaus was Jorge's father, that's so fucking cool of him getting the whole family involved in, potentially, his biggest proejct.
also its super big that she referred to Telemachus as her friend in this story. As she doesn't have many other people she is close with, ala vow of Virginity which I think is carried on in this story in that she only ever reveals herself to her champion. That is, before the loss of her champion affected her of course.
It hurts to think that Telemachus will be wondering why Athena just stopped visiting him
If you watch the animatics from the vengeance saga stream you should watch the bit at the end of god games as well because it’s so good and there’s a really nice moment during the music
Apollo: god of light, music (he was made a sun god in rome) likes sirens for their singing.
Hephaestus: god of fire and craftsmanship (trust isn't given it's forged as he sings) so mad that he broke that trust
Aphrodite: goddess of passion s*x and desire (love was spilt into different things which all had gods) mad he let someone die of a broken heart
Ares: God of war, power and brutality (the reason he's able to shatter Athena's power is because he's the opposite to her more thoughtful warfare, he and Aphrodite are lovers thus why they fight together as all is fair between love and war) Mad he didn't fight or kill the monsters
Hera: goddess of family, childbirth, heroes and marriage (that's why she's moved by that argument, although he does with Circe in the Odyssey but we'll leave that here)
Zues: god of storms, hospitality and oaths, (was told by the fates if he had a son by Athena's mother Metis, that said son would be more powerful and overthrow him, so he tricked her to transform into a fly and then ate her, 9 months later Athena spawned from his head)
When Hera says “groovy~”…AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HEARS “ curvy~”
The clinks in Hephestus' section are because he's the god of the forge!
i took her arm falling that shes exhausted from fighting the god king
Fun facts: Athena is close to Zeus’ power. Her and ares represent the two sides of war, Athena the more strategic side and Ares represents the more ruthless and violent side.
So something’s I think you should know in this song that makes it so much heartbreaking and cool is:
- Ares and Athena are brothers, but often fight each other or disagree in their ways to deals with some situations that require fighting. As you know, Ares is more of the blood war, aggressive and destructive. Athena is more of strategic war and try to not use the force unless is really needed.
Adding to this, Ares was in the side of the Trojans while Athena with the Greeks during the Trojan War, so pretty much Ares argument/verse in this song is really just bringing how “coward” he thinks Odysseus is (and hating in general). That’s why also in this animatic is so moving how Neal shows their relationship more “nicer”, even in the part when Zeus attacks Athena with a thunder, he is the one asking: “is she dead?”.
- Second, bringing back the Trojan War, there were many gods involved. Not only Ares, but also Aphrodite, Apollo, Hera, etc. So maybe it makes sense that they bring this gods to try to convince them for Odysseus release. (In this EPIC version, in the original Odyssey it’s quite of more simple xD)
- Ares and Aphrodite are lovers, so that’s why like their verse and visually are so next to each other. In Neal’s version, I love how she completes Ares sword is such a nice detail!
*Now Musically*.
- In the last minute where the piano starts playing, in the livestream, we got a flashback of 20 years before, where Odysseus with Penelope show her baby Telemachus.
So that's why the melody first goes with warrior of the mind motif:
First with Athena verse: "Maybe one day they’ll follow me and we’ll make a greater tomorrow, then they’ll see… "
Then Odysseus/Athena verse: "I know we’ll change the world cause we will be…"
And then you can hear Legendary motif: "We will be Legendary".
The flashbacks ends and after that we see how Athena is “fighting” or just going forward to Zeus with Warrior of the mind orchestra, cause she’s not only fighting for Ody, also for Telemachus, for her friends ❤
Sorry if this was a lot, but I just love how Jorge just displays a lot of music layers and all of them are sort of storytelling
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Ares and Athena are siblings, might explain the similarities in tune 😮
Actually Apollo is only associated with the sun in the Roman pantheon, in the Greek one he's still the music and whatnot guy, and since the Odysey is Greek he has no domain over the sun (yet)
'Never has he cheated on his wife'
:Reclines chair in shock
I think its funny that Aphrodite and Ares do a Miquella and Radahn
The first time I heard that part of Zeus getting mad holy shit my jaw dropped
If you liked this I recommend listening to the cover of god games by Lunaeria, it’s amazing. Literally my favorite cover I’ve ever heard!!
Oh this was fun
I like there animatic but you should watch the animation from the live stream to get an idea about what Jay want ed it to look like
Please react to NEMRA ft. SERJ TANKIAN - I'm Afraid of Stars next! 🌟 They released it yesterday, and it’s such an emotional and powerful song. I’d love to see your thoughts on it!
This one is amazing cause Neal well she use to be a Professional Animator
I find it funny when people don’t know that Luke (the voice of Zeus) isn’t a bass😂 I believe he’s a tenor? (I can’t remember)
Please please please react to the live stream of the vengeance saga - it will help so Much with context and not get confused like so many others ❤
Thx for the reaction
Hell yeah! Neal God Games is the best!
11:50 ares is the god of war, bloodshed and courage, he's mad because odysseus lacks courage and was always a coward and not really because of bloodshed.
Zeus; the guy, the dude, the god 😂
Please tell me you're starting the Vengeance Saga ASAP?? 👀
You should really watch the live stream if you really want to understand what Jorge is wanting to portray
Don’t doubt your selfffff 2:22
I really hate Zeus but he is not without moments of compassion in myth, albeit VERY rare. For instance protecting his demigod children from Hera's wrath by hiding them away and the like.
There's also the story of Typhon, a big monster sent by Gaia to kill Zeus and take Olympus. Zeus ensured that his children, his DIVINE children (Artemis, Apollo, Hermes, Ares, Athena and Dionysus), made it to Egypt safely before turning around and trying to fight Typhon himself (he fails, so the kids come back)
Athena: wins fair and square
Zeus: the AUDACITY
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"Did Athena die?" You know, it was very unclear 🤷🏻♂️
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My guess is fighting against the king of the gods too a lot out of her
Fun facts: just like Ares and Athena, both representing a side of war, Aphrodite is also considered a goddess of war and had cults worship her in Sparta, Thebes, and Cyprus! That’s why she proves herself to be difficult to convince and why she has more lines than one would expect, unlike Apollo and Hephaestus. She and Ares both know about war at a deeper level that Athena also gets which makes it harder for her to quickly get them to appeal for Odysseus’s release.
Another one is that in the livestream when the Wisdom Saga came out is that instead of fighting Zeus, we see a memory of Athan where Odysseus and Penelope go to her and present Telemachus to Athena. That’s why the melody of Warrior of the Mind changes for a moment into Legendary; that was the moment Athena saw and held Telemachus!
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Ares is the god of war but specially the brutality of war. Athena is the aspect of war of strategy. Strategy gonna take the day more often than brute strength (example the Trojan War where Ares sided with Troy and Athena the Greeks).
Also love her response saying hold your tongue now, his son's my friend. Brings it full circle from when Athena told Odysseus You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend.