NIGHTWISH: Ghost Love Score original studio release first time reaction and analysis | Episode 748
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2024
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In this edition of #thedailydoug, I'm returning to the first song that I ever heard from Nightwish, Ghost Love Score. Back in early 2021, I was just starting my channel, and the Nightwish fans found me and encouraged me to hear the band's music. I've been a fan ever since, but I've only heard Floor Jansen singing this classic symphonic metal & proggy song. Today, I'm hearing original vocalist Taria Turunen sing the piece...and my love of the tune was reinvigorated. I hope you enjoy!
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It's the song that got me into Nightwish, and I've been a fan ever since. Tuomas is just a genius composer.
I wholly agree on your comment about Tomas, a genius! And sorely under recognized for his composing and arranging skills.
For me Endlessness and Greatest Show On Earth are probably peak.
For me the hook that got me into Nightwish was a chance meeting with "Sleeping Sun". And it's been holding since 2009 ♥
@@Kubrzesz yes Sleeping Sun is one of my favorites too! I think Sleeping sun works it magic with the current mood that your in. It's very dark, Tuomas says its about an eclipse and it could also be an eclipse of the heart as well! Tuomas is a genius and every band member a master of their craft and they work together like clockwork.The band very much unknown in the states and it takes the magic of reaction videos to wake up the masses to the genius of this Band.My Highest Nightwish moment was seeing them last year in Kitee,Finland, a long way from Long Island,NY.
The orchestra behind the songs sounds astonishing 😍
I'm such a simple dude. When I see the words 'Ghost Love Score', I instantly press like
To this day I love the studio version a lot! There's just something about really being able to focus on the orchestra and hearing every single instrument and shifts in the music❣The song really takes you on a journey and Tarja's dark, melodic voice makes it feel so fantastical. Very Tolkien-esque, which is even better when you learn that the orchestra is the same one that did the score for the LotR movies! And I like that Tarja's singing doesn't stand out, it's part of the whole piece of music, one part of the story, it creates such a full tapestry this way.
I would never want to exchange this version for anything, it's very very dear to my heart and makes me feel a kind of particular magic that nothing else can replicate❣
Also the lyrics... poetry :)
even the orchestra only version is great.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo the instrumental versions of Nightwish songs in general are fantastic! They really show how much the quality of the compositions carry the music and give them so much atmosphere and depth. But I also do enjoy Tarja's vocals a lot, they fit this kind of music so beautifully :)
I love the end of an era concert performance with the epic ending from the band. And to me it seems, like every time I hear Tarja`s live vocals, they tend to be even better than recorded. Her vocals during that concert were phenomenal. And with that amazing choir in the back ground, so intense. Thank you for the analysis.
I remember the first Nightwish live show I went to. 18th February 2005 in Manchester, England, when I was 15. My friend who I went with and I were arguing about this song. I was insisting that the line was "if you be the one to cut me, then I'll bleed forever", and he was insisting the line was "you were the one to cut me, so now I'll bleed forever". Turns out we were both right, the line changes between the start and the end of the song.
Floor addressed the ending in her reaction to GLS at Wacken. Prior to her joining the band, when Tarja sang the song live (have a look at her performance of the song at End of an Era), she simply walked off stage, and let the band play out, which they played and ended it how you hear it now. With Floor, she had stated that she had always loved the song, but also tended to ad lib off of it every time she heard it. One day at rehearsal on that tour (Please Learn the Setlist in 48 Hours), she just went for it and started crooning to the ending. The band loved it, so they wanted to try it in the show, which worked out well. From there, she worked on it to where it is now. There is a video out there called "The Evolution of Ghost Love Score", which focuses on the ending of the song from Floor's beginnings to where it is at now. It's definitely worth a look at.
The Floor’s performance is more powerful, but that’s not the meaning of this song. Is more significant by Tarja’s voice cause this song and dead gardens were specially expressed the conflicted Tuomas feelings that he has on her on that time. Is a love poem for Tarja instead of a long piece with head banging and scream belting that Floor signed up.
Nightwish is epic and new album coming out later this year. Cheers🤘
In my opinion, Tarja's voice melts perfectly with Nightwish's music ❤
Yes
You did not have to mention that this album is nearly 20 years old. I remember getting it & listening to it for the first time, already a Nightwish fan, and getting blown away by this track. Its still one of my favourite songs. And when I heard you say that you'd only heard Floor's live performance I thought you'd be surprised by how many million times better the studio version with Tarja is. Floor has a fantastic voice, but Tuomas wrote this album with Tarja's voice and range in mind and in my opinion the tracks written since Floor joined have been a way better fit for her voice. Tuomas really is an excellent composer and writer. I love his work both for Nightwish and his own solo projects.
The studio version of this song is, perhaps, my favourite song of all time. I don't listen to it too often because I afraid getting used to it, but every time I do - I got such strong emotions inside of me, I can't even explain
Recently discovered this band!....No words !
If you haven't already, you may want to check out Tarja's solo career as well. Also Marko just released a single with Tarja called Left in Mars
Glad you found them. They were founded back in 1996. The guitarist Empu, Keyboards & composer Tuomas were looking for a singer.
Tarja was a classmate back in Kitee, Finland.
Tarja learned to sing German Lied singing. Close cousin of opera. She extends her vowels vertically, adds vibrato through her notes. She knows how to project and cut through the orchestra in a theatre.
But personal issues led to tension. Personal dynamics caused them to fire Tarja the following Autumn after the world tour.
Warning the fan base was split.
The band put out a lot of things saying negative things and blaming her.
Now some 10 years on they started mending fences.
Everybody agrees they handled things badly.
But one thing I tell everyone is though fans want to create drama in chat, Both Tarja and Floor are good friends to this day.
Floor met Nightwish in 2002 when her then band opened for them (After Forever) in Europe, summer 2002.
Anette Olzon took over lead singing after a year long search.
She was with them 5 years and in 2 albums. Her style was pop/rock/metal
Her departure was due to her being pregnant. The plan was to stop touring in the spring once North America was done. Then Floor was asked to fill in as a guest.
Anette got sick and had to quit earlier. Now wether she quit the band or was fired is a matter of debate.
After the tour the Band asked Floor to become a full time member. She too has classical training but sings a more traditional rock/metal style but lacks nothing for power and does justice to the old NW library that Tarja sang. Or lots of it anyways.
Lots of tracks she has not sung in concert.
She asked for and got Tarja's blessing to join, so she did. That was 2013.
Tarja started her solo career in 2006 and has some 20 different releases between concert DVDS/CDs full albums, an auto biography, etc.
Now Marko was the full time male vocalist and Bass player from 2001 to 2021.
He and Tarja renewed their friendship in 2017. Now they are on tour together with him as Tarja's guest. Europe this summer is the plan.
NW will be putting out a new album when Floor is back. Time off to have a 2nd child and released a solo album.
Tarja has put out 5 albums in 18 months the last being Dark Christmas. There is a new rock/metal album promised as well.
The band members and Tarja have settled their issues and that is the story in a nutshell.
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 *left on mars
@@Boa_Omega thanks for the correction
@@Boa_Omegagracias por explicarlo en secuencia real solo los fans crean disturbios ya Tarja y Marco arreglaron sus diferencias igual como con sus ex bandas Nightwish también
I know Floor sings it great live but the haunting sound of Traja voice suits the song better. You really feel her give her blood, life, and soul up for a loved one. It just tears your heart out like no other musical piece does.
Hi from the home of Nightwish. End Of An Era konsert Helsinki Finland.
Yeah! Floor is more belting and Tarja more opera!
Both devine!
And song is great on its own.
Well said.
The Wacken version is legendary and my favorite version but I do really appreciate the original recording since you can hear certain instrumentation and choral vocals much more clearly than the live version. Floor was the one who decided to add the big note at the end and it was an amazing choice as it really puts the punctuation on this epic song.
I was going to write exactly that!
the end of an era version with Tarja is THE definitive version and quite possibly the definitive Nightwish song IMHO
@@gregoryprodanas7295 it is an excellent version. There’s something about their live performances that elevate all their songs to the next level.
@@gregoryprodanas7295 No way, personally I prefer the version shot in South America to that of Wacken. It's been a long time since I heard the original (studio) and I don't think Tarja's voice was forward enough in the mix tbh. Everyone has their own favourite vocalist, some prefer Anette even. (I do for at least 4 tracks over Floor.)
Stop saying that Floor's versions of Tarja songs is better. Floor is just a pop singer, nothing more.
I don't know why it makes me so happy/emotional to watch you dissect my favourite song. But it just DOES. I
It's hard to believe its been almost 20 years, I bought this album the day of release. This song blew my mind, its by, far the best one. Lol, yeah Tarja has some interesting pronunciations. You should hear her pronounce swords in Elvenpath, she really accents the "W" and its really cute.
Thanks a lot for the reaction. This studio version is my absolute favorite. When I discovered it, I listened to it over and over again, mesmerized by the music, choir and Tarja's voice. I didn't know anything about Nightwish at that time. I didn't even know the faces or names of the individual members. In the live version with Tarja, at the End of an Era concert, the chorus is just as strong. It was pushed into the background later, in the post Tarja era.
The verses sung by the choir are beautiful and it's nice what you say about it, but even though Tarja sings this song, Tuomas wrote it, so those verses about bleeding heart would rather refer to him.
The production on Emppu's guitar solo in this recording reminds me of the guitar sound Mike Oldfield used for his Tubular Bells albums.
One of the many cool things about this song is that the choruses are all in Bb, but the last one goes to F and gives such a mood to end the song. It's really a masterpiece, and to me Tarja really owns it. I'd like to see your reactions to the live version from the End Of An Era concert, it's such an emotional performance from the band. Cheers from Brazil!
So pumped to see Doug reacting to older Nightwish stuff! I'd love to see him react to their older ballads like Walking in the air, Sleeping sun (end of an era) or the Riddler.
Since you got to Once, I think you would like Creek Mary's Blood
Kudos to Legendary Producer Pip Williams for arranging the Orchestral and Choral Parts. He did previously produce Status Quo and The Moody Blues.
Great reaction, Doug! I've only heard the studio version this one time. I am impressed with how clear the symphonics come through. Thank you!
In the live performance from End of an Era each band member shines. Tarja's vocals were not mixed and muted like in the studio version, they are rich and dark and sorrowful. When she comes to the end of her part, she does not feel the need to belt and make it all about her, she simply and quietly leaves the stage so that the focus is on the band. The music builds and the choir is clearly heard. Sorry but for me THAT is the best version of this song!!!
I am totally with you on this. My favorite version too
Yay! Now you will listen better the music and the orchestra especially at the ending which is my favorite part!
I've been NW fan for more than 20 years, and for me this is the Best composition of Tuomas. I feel that this is the Best NW song. When i heard it for the first time blews my mind. I love Tarja.
I saw them live with Tarja. Unforgettable, still a favourite memory
It's a great song! Without exaggeration it's a masterpiece.
Please listen to Creek Mary's Blood from this album. The most beautiful Nightwish song ever in my opinion
I remember when I heard this song for the first time.
My friend gave me whole Nightwish discography with bootlegs. Like 4 CDs full of mp3.
So I'm deep into the night, lying on my bed, skipping songs looking for stuff that I like, but slowly falling asleep.
And then I heard this, at first I didn't like it but 4 minutes later I was crying.
It was just a waterfall of pure beauty that I didn't expect.
And here I am 20 years later - and whenever I hear this song I have to shed a tear. It's just... something.
And there's only one thing better than this song - it's the same sound but in DTS surround sound.
It's also something else...
That and Judas Priest's Painkiller album is just something that will always be in my heart.
The interesting part about Wacken 2013 version with Floor is that Floor pretty much sang all the choir parts, too, plus the extra singing at the end.
GLS is absolutely the centrepiece track, but that entire album is utterly sublime. Make sure you hear the whole thing. There is not a weak track, not even a weak moment, on the entire thing.
I was in my late teens when this came out, and I remember hammering that CD, and this being my favorite song for easily 5 years. And then later on when I saw the Wacken version, it reignited my love for this piece. Incredible!
Maybe (some day) this song live "End Of An Era" -version? Or some other songs? Nightwish always much better in live! That last Nightwish concert with Tarja is really amazing! And every song has such an emotion! Thank you very much!
You were thinking exactly my thoughts. I have heard this song many times but it's always been the live version, the studio version Tarja's voice seems muted compared to the live version.
Just listen to the whole album!!
I just did again. The remastered 2001 version.
Happy to see you checked the original version. I definitely recommend you to check live version of this song with Tarja from End of an Era DVD. Thats by far the best live version of this song ever. Its simply magical.
Esta canción con la voz de Tarja es mágico se destaca la banda entera nadie es mejor que nadie en esta era dorada todos eran uno solo hasta Emmpu no salía a exagerar con la guitarra todo era lineal en la era de Tarja todos tenían su momento de gloria que en las siguientes eras desapareció solo la prioridad de le dio a Tuomas y a Floor el resto parece decorado más después de la salida de Marco se volvió tan comercial tan básico se apagó la magia si hasta por eso Tuomas pauso a la banda por 3 años 🤷🏻♀️ se volvieron una banda aburrida más del montón perdió el encanto aunque siga siendo una banda leyenda perdió su brillo
I absolutely LOVE Jukka's outro drumming in this song! I miss him in the band. ...one of my favorite drummers.
Jukka was super energetic. Unstoppable power in every move.
Ghost Love Score is the most beautiful song I have ever heard :D
I bought this cd when it was realeased and put it in cd player of my car - and drove couple of hours mesmerized listening it. Saw the live 2007 and it was a unforgettable gig. Thanks for the reaction!
With Tarja Turunen is a best version on a last concert End of an Era.
You keep reviewing all my favorite bands, I love it!
I like this version more than the one with the belting and growling, this style of singing makes more sense with the symphonic elements. More symphonic, less metal, I prefer that
Loved seeing you experience the same kind of joy and amazement I associated with this version of the song.
Like with Disturbed - kudos for going back. 😊
Although I love the Wacken version, I have never heard the original studio version. After listening to it, I really appreciate the orchestration and choir which are more prominent in this one. I love it! Thanks Doug.
Same here.
It's one of hose songs where you loved it with Tarja, before listening to Floor thinking that's better and then ends going back to Tarja because her singing suits the songs theme best.
I would love to watch a Doug's reaction on "For the heart I once had" with Anette, that fits perfectly on that song and it's piano based. 🙏🏻🎹
Floor's ability to bring different styles and power to the different parts takes an already great song to another level...
First time listen.Stunning.🎉
Your going to love this soooo much
I looove this song! And I love live version from End of An Era with Tarja even more!
Thanks for the reaction! Waiting for more!
Oh yeah, Floor does that belting at the end and it sounds amazing. However, when I hear this version with the choir behind it's just better without belting so that we can hear the choir and words.
You have to check the original live version from the concert *Nightwish - Ghost Love Score from End of an Era concert* Tarja is very powerful live.
Gracias por reaccionar a Ghost Love Score en su versión original con Tarja Turunen primera vocal mujer de la banda y también es Cofundadora de la banda de Nightwish recomendado reaccionar a Nightwish con su vieja escuela la era dorada la era de Tarja Turunen 1996 desde la creación de Nightwish hasta el final de una era 2005🤘🏻
Te recomiendo al en vivo de Ghost Love Score en su versión original en el concierto de Helsinki Finlandia Final de una era 2005 con Tarja Turunen
Oh my goodness, Mr. Helvering! I, for whatever reason, have not been seeing your analysis videos. Must say, I thoroughly enjoy your breakdowns and appreciation and explanations❣️ Thank you so much ❤ Nightwish is very new to me but have fallen "head over heels" for the brilliance that is Nightwish!!
If Tarja came up with the beautiful vocal melodies, that deserves massive credit. Floor is unreal and she can add on the foundations of an already great melody.
But she didn't
Great work as always and a powerful song 🦦🇸🇪
We need you to do an interview with Tuomas - a long one, talking about song writing, orchestral arrangements, lyrical themes, etc. 🙏
Another very impressive number would be how much it cost to produce the album. IIRC it cost around 250k $ to produce it, with well over 100k spend on the orchestral recordings. But this is also an album where I'd say that every single penny was a great investment, as this is one hell of an album.
One of my favorite songs. I love the theatricality and the lead vocalists have been incredible. I get chills as their voices glide over the choral background.
My youngest son said I might like this band, I had never heard of them, he tends more towards metal, me rock. He was a fan during the days of Tarja, I came on in 2020, and I favor Floor 100%. It's amazing the difference between this and the 2013 Wacken, in this the choir is more pronounced, IMO the 2013 Wacken recording is perhaps the best live performance EVER.
Same here, my son gave me three songs, this Ever Dream and Bless the Child.....I was sold after GLS. Fan forever.
I’ve been into a lot of Prog Rock/Metal over the years. Symphonic Metal has always been a hit or miss for me. Nightwish/Tarja are definitely bands I absolutely love.
Ghost Love Score is a must for anyone who wants to hear a top notch Prog Metal Epic. Like many here I agree some of the live versions are better even though the studio version is already perfect. Tarja is my favorite singer. She really took Operatic Metal to its peak.
I love this version.The dark and melancolic Tarja s voice, the dramatic Choir in the end. A melody Tarja made a masterpiece ❤
Thank you! This was very interesting! I love how loud the instruments are on this studio version. Though, vocally I prefer the live version from End of an Era with Tarja (and the one from Wacken 2013).
I love Tarja's dark tone. It intriques me. Her voice is very unique. Nowadays, Tarja's voice has matured a lot. She has even more darker side to her voice and she use a lot more of her chest voice. Right now, she is touring South-America with Marko (the ex-bassist of Nightwish). They are friends again and they released a song together last week called Left On Mars. I would love to hear your thoughts about it. I think it's a great song!
About Tarja's pronounciation: Back when this was recorded, she sometimes still had a quite a thick Finnish accent.
I always thought Ghost Love Score was about unrequited love or a failed relationship. Tuomas wrote this and there has been a ruomour going around for years that he wrote songs about Tarja and this was one of them. That he wrote about his love for her.... who knows
I love these lyrics. In the first choruses they are:
"My fall will be for you
My love will be in you
If you are the one to cut me
Then I'll bleed forever"
Then for the last part it changes to:
"My fall will be for you
My love will be in you
You were the one to cut me
So I'll bleed forever"
Simply, a masterpiece.
The versions are different in a good way. The more symphonic original version has the orchestra and choir more prominent. Tarja’s voice floats above the rest at the end. Floor’s version is scaled back some and they adjusted it for her voice. All great stuff.
You have plenty of material to go since 1996 -> and so many different songs....and line-ups. Check how they really started ...the most original ones too to get perspective. They changed this a bit later in gig shows specially the fading ending into scream ending. This is about love and here they want to bring up this feeling. Tuomas wrote this masterpiece in 2003 or so...being some 25 years young. Soon you find out where from Tuomas gets his inspiration and how it has changed by time.
I’ve literally heard this song 100+ times, however this is the first time hearing the original with Tarja. Not going to get into who does it better as that is a personal choice. What I will say is that it’s still has that same impact. Floor has said that she was fooling around with that ending and the band heard it and said to include that into the song. So she makes this her version, instead of an exact copy of original. Still a great song regardless who’s singing it. ❤️🤘🎸🎻🦘
ALL hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, the very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😀👍👍🤘
There's a male vocal cover by contra-tenor power metal singer Yiannis Papadopoulos. I think you should check it out too. He also did the siren by nightwish and the band actually performed it live with him when they were on tour last year.
By the way, have you done Wishmaster? Really love Tarja's voice on that one.
I recommend you listen to solo Tarja too, she has some killer tracks! I'd go with "Undertaker" for the symphonic sound or "Falling Awake" for the heavy metal vibes.
Started to listen NW when first album did come and it was one of my favorite bands for long but i had to stop listening new stuff after Tarja got fired. Tried to listen new stuff with Anette and Floor but it just wasnt the same so all i can fo is listen their old stuff. But im glad Tarja got back to sing NW stuff live with Marco, they sound so great together 😊
Holy crap, that means Ive been here for almost 700 Episodes! Amazing
My go-to's of Ghost Love Score are Wacken Open Air (of course) and Buenos Aires 2012. It was great to have Doug pointing out features of this version -- and this singer -- that I'm not all that familiar with.
13:03 rhythmic chorus: It's very O Fortuna, isn't it? (Probably other places in the Carmina Burana too, but that's the one that comes to mind.)
13:46 Doug's disappointment at the fadeout: What @athlonen said!
You should listen to Stratovarius, another epic band from Finland ⚜️ !!
Together with Sonata Arctica. Their first albums are pure gold.
My favorite version is the end of an era version!! 🫶🏽🔥
This Album is a Masterpiece!!! i highly recommend u Creek Mary's Blood, from this album too, such a beautiful song!
Beautiful ,being both a fan of Nightwish and the Moody Blues I can't but help see the similarities between Ghost love Score and Days of Future Past orchetral parts! Bravo!
Great reaction! You should to listen to orchestral version ob this song. Its amazing too!
Thanks Doug, I know may people love Floor live version, which I love too, but the studio version is just impeccable!
Master Helvering, listen to them from "Endless Forms Most Beautiful", with Floor singing .... totally another "Story" 😉
This version is wonderfull, I hope you react to the End of an era version❤
hell yeah
Tuomas gave arranger/Orchestrator Pip Williams a fair bit of freedom to add his own contributions to the arrangement.
Please please try Epica! Look for Cry for the moon!! They do it so great as well!! You will enjoy for sure!
My friends. Let us all do an Epic Maneuver in celebration.
As amazing as the live version with Floor at Wacken is, it really isn't to the amazing production value of the studio version. I honestly believe Tarja's voice is more tailored to this song. That fact plus the mix and production makes it the superior version.
Tarja's too one note for the track. Her "adoring beast" part sounds comical after Floor's version where she actually pays attention to the lyrics. And the live ending with Floor elevated the song to a whole new level. I do like the access to the orchestrations and choirs on the album, though.
@@tuomaspuumalainen3018 That's one of the most beautiful things about music... it speaks to people in different ways. While you see Tarja as "too one note", I see her voice as perfect for the track as it blends seamlessly with the rest of the score. Floor's rendition, for my ears, is over-sung, as is a lot of her renditions. Some songs call for you to belt things out. To me, this is not one of them. And, luckily, we both have versions of this song that we fell is superior.
This is really good for our last few lessons, eh!!
You said that Tarja 'made the most' of her tone in this song. While Tarja was in the band, the songs were specifically written for her voice. I wish you had your keyboard for this one, the music theory and arrangement insights you give are the most interesting parts for me. Some of my favourite videos of yours are when you are in the church playing along to Opeth, the musical theory and analysis lessons in those are ace. Thanks for your videos.
Whenever NW does this song audience is singing that choral parts, especially in the end.
One other thing that's different in the live version is the way Emppu ends his solo.
I always imagine that discordant end he puts into the live performance as 'the cut' referenced in the lyrics.
I never checked but I do believe the lyrics change from future tense to past tense regarding the cut on that point.
Heavy Metal was never a boring Music , i got this Album at home
Greetings, you have just reacted to the SONG that has the most music reaction videos in the history of music reaction videos! From the Band that has the most music reaction videos in the history of music reaction videos! For example, including yours, there have been 14 new Nw music reaction videos posted in the last 24 hours!
We Finnish people many tend to love prog and heavy rock.
If you "grew up" with Tarja as the singer of Nightwish, there won't be a chance for anyone else. Floor is absolutely amazing, no doubt... but these old songs to me only fit with Tarja. They were composed for her opera voice. And it was an amazing combination... pure love!!!
Thanks, Doug. You caught the 6/8 & 5/8 pattern in the intro, but you didn't mention the 4/4 & 3/4 pattern that followed.
Intro time signatures, per bar: (6/8, 6/8, 5/8, 6/8) 6x, then (4/4, 4/4, 3/4, 4/4) 4x, then steady 4/4 for vocal entry
I wish you could set up another session with Annie Haslam of Renaissance and get her impressions of Nightwish. Nightwish is a modern Renaissance.
would love to see you do some Running Wild Conquistadores please
Live for when you want to rock and album for when you want to chill with headphones.
I really love when you do this reactions, and I have asuggestion. Maybe you must to react to "The Poet and the Pendulum", but the orchestral version. Thank you for your NW reactions!