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I have been a Mission Specialist on many aviation adventures. My role involved staying seated while the seatbelt light is illuminated and returning my tray table to an upright & locked position.
The contrast of a CEO of a submersible company that obviously has a conscience and cares about his clients and doesn't view people dying on one of his subs as an acceptable risk is really not a good look for Oceangate. Kudos to Mr. Lahey for doing things the right way.
When the first witness said he was upset with USCG’s response to the search and rescue- that was the last straw for me! What did he expect them to do?? The only two remote submersibles that could dive to the depth they were at were in the North Pacific, and south Atlantic by Antarctica! It took them almost 4 days to just get to the site! How on earth is that USCG fault??
Yah it's crazy. OceanGate MacGyver'd a submersible and ignored all warning signs and advice to make it safer. A bunch of bozo thrillseekers paid big money to risk their lives riding in the thing. On the day of the fateful dive OceanGate waited 8-1/2 hours after they lost contact with the sub to call the USCG for help. USCG and others risked their lives trying to rescue the bozos. Yet somehow the USCG is to be blamed.
Around 1:37.00 "I was told to tell [the Canadian immigration] that I was participating in the mission and was a member of the team that was going down on the submersible which was correct, I mean I was also a mission specialist or as you say a tourist. I did not use the word tourist to the Canadians because I did not think it would be conducive to them allowing me to enter the country" Mr Lockridge was threatened by Oceangate to be sued for visa fraud and reported to immigration services, and then they instructed their passengers to lie to immigration services to avoid a visa I assume. Rich. Not completely sure but I think that's a crime, wonder if he's confident in admitting because he's be rich enough to pay the fines
"we were adrenaline junkies diving in an experimental submarine. Anyone who thought this sub was safe is delusional". Meanwhile Oceangate sold tickets to passengers with "safety approved by Boeing & NASA" stickers.
@@guitarista67 that the panel of professionals from the Coast Guard and NTSB didn’t audibly gasp at this ridiculousness is a testament to their integrity.
"If you designed a pressure boundary appropriately, there is no reason to have instrumentation in it to monitor its health. The expectation is that you designed something where the health of the pressure boundary is an inherent part of the design." - Mr Lahey, implosion-averse.
I'm sure the term "Safety Theater" is open for the taking, as long as you credit Antonella Wilby. Methinks the description is apt when the navigation team is using Excel and a hand drawn map of the Titanic's bow to guide the Titan to the site of the wreck.
I think what is striking among everyone associated with OG - Rush, the "mission specialists," engineering - is the lack of understanding of the difference between RISK and SAFETY. Sure, heading to the moon or the Titanic, or jumping out of a plane, or bungee jumping, or climbing Everest, all of these are RISKY. However that does not mean that you don't try to make them as SAFE as you can. You don't jump out of a plane without training and without being damn sure there's a parachute in your backpack. You don't climb Everest without understanding when to turn back, and if you ignore that you are being unsafe, and increasing your risk in a way that is no longer inherent in the activity. And you don't dive to some of the most remote and harsh environments on Earth without making sure you are doing it as safely as possible. Deep sea submersible diving has always been risky, but until OG it has also been incredibly SAFE because people took it seriously.
YES!!! THANK YOU!!!! Obviously people know diving down to the Titanic carries with it risk. That’s a world of difference between knowing you’re going into a ticking time bomb that’s not being held to safety standards and was built cheaply to save money.
42:45 "... a decision was made to install only 4 of the 18 bolts..." [that were supposed to secure the end-cap with the viewing port to the sub body]. It is inconceivable to me that "bolt installers" didn't stand up and say something to the effect of "We're doing all of the bolts or none of the bolts. The choice is yours."
I would get myself, my employer and my workmates kicked off a mine site instantly if I only installed a quarter of the bolts required for a job while claiming the task was complete. We even have rules in which way bolts are orientated, torque specs and sequences they are to be tightened to.
It weighed 3900 lbs and they secured it with 4 bolts to save time. The first witness said there was a culture of safety … ok, that could have killed a few people on its own when it fell off
This was so illuminating, the last two speakers especially. I had no idea there was a whole submersible industry. The ceo is right that safety standards should be mandated. And i feel so badly for the employee, i really don’t know what could have been done differently. Especially seeing she was correct in fearing she would be sued if she spoke up, as the other whistleblower was. Imagine being threatened with firing just for suggesting using a software.
I feel bad for Antonella Wilby, the last witness of the day. She's clearly a very smart person, had some good relevant experience (unlike some of the others working for OceanGate), and she cared about safety and improving the processes. But nobody at OceanGate wanted to listen to her. It was a reckless work environment with prima donnas in charge who didn't want to be told what they could or should do. I'm in a different field but have experienced similar, with similar results (except in my experiences, thankfully, nobody died).
I was very impressed by Ms Wilby: both her real-world technical experience and her powers of analysis, even of engineering and software issues not covered by her prior training. She is clearly very bright and proved too hard to bamboozle for Oceangate to risk keeping her on. She instinctively asked the right questions, yet was bullied and dismissed as a result. I hope one of the operators of the properly constructed and classed Triton submarines offers to give her the crewed piloting training that she sought and so amply deserves.
It doesn't matter if Antonella voiced her concerns. She didn't have an "Explorer Mindset", wasn't "solution oriented", and didn't play along with OceanGate's "Safety Theater". Three strikes and you're out.
Second guy is really showing that Nissen isn’t as innocent as he tried to make himself out to be, that his own ego is very much to blame, just as Rush’s.
They were explorers. "It was supposed to be risky." But when the 'ship' hit the fan, they called the Coast Guard, and the search operations were paid from our taxes 🤔
First passenger is another rich person who thinks taxpayers should pay for his idiocy. If these rich people want to unalive themselves they are free to do so. But don't ask me to pay for it.
Right? If private enterprise is so much better at accomplishing sea exploration shouldn’t they also be better at making rescue gear? These people were/are delusional
That was wild: it was unsafe, I knew it was unsafe, I knew that unsafe meant I'd be human jam within a couple of milliseconds, I scorn the agencies trying to establish safety standards. And I blame the Coastguard for not throwing everything at an impossible rescue; everything wasn't available because we didn't arrange for available assistance beforehand
Or risk others to come save them. Look at Mount Everest … if you get stuck at the top why should everyone else put their resources and lives to save you?
Re the first guy’s closing statements: how about we use this as a lesson on the importance of safety measures, checks, and regulations and how rich people shouldn’t just get to do crazy shit the way they want to because they ca. if these “explorers” really cared about the pursuit and passion of exploring the ocean and pushing boundaries and limited then they would want things to be done safely and correctly. They have big egos and don’t care about the overall missions as much as they care about them getting to say they are pioneers. Congrats on being so rich and not giving a shit
“Mobilize all your resources putting others lives at risk to try to come maybe save 5 rich people who put themselves there knowing the risk”… Everest is littered with the dead bodies of the rich…
Its interesting how dodgy both "mission specialists" ie passengers, have been in these hearings. Renata Rojas was also frequently vague, or even flat out coy with her responses to questions that implicated OceanGate of anything approaching wrongdoing. What's also interesting is their closing remarks are similar in their pleas that this incident not result in regulations that negatively impact their ability as paying passengers (or in this case, thrill seekers) to continue these grand adventures as deep pocketed laymen/paying passengers in the latest and greatest of deep sea exploration technology.
I think a venture like oceangate requires a lot of both financial and psychological buy-in, and especially to get the psychological buy-in required from prospective “mission specialists” you’d have to employ tactics that are pretty close to what cult leaders or groomers use. So I imagine a lot of this dodgy behavior and intentional vagueness (both of their testimonies reminded me a lot of like, CEOs testifying in front of congress but if the CEO actually knew very little about their industry or specific business) is from a misled sense of loyalty to a company that no longer exists led by a man who manipulated others so hard it killed both himself and others. Maybe a sense of internal shame or embarrassment that they spent so much time and money on this thing that a part of them probably knew was wrong and dangerous and ill-advised, but I also don’t know what it’s like to be rich enough to just pay to fulfill a dream, so I’m guessing, because when you’re that wealthy who knows if you actually ever regret spending money on things. I also got this vibe of like “I watch a lot of greys anatomy so I’m basically a doctor” from both of their testimonies, more Renata’s than this first guy. So maybe there’s some insecurity because they both know that the only reason they got to do something like this is because they paid for it and they don’t actually possess any qualities that would help them gain this opportunity based on merit.
The hubris of claiming that jumping out of a plain isn’t safe is infuriating, skydiving has risks but people don’t sell tickets to use experimental parachutes. Equating diving on the Titan to skydiving is like comparing the risks of seeing a lion in the zoo to going up to a lion in wild.
Most of these people, especially the 'mission specialists', are in denial about what this really was. You don't experiment with humans on board. Stockton fooled them all.
Make no mistakes, they may have been fooled regarding the safety aspects, but they definitely knew and were on board with the "mission specialist" scam. As such much of their testimony is borderline criminal and I have zero sympathy for them.
Cripes this first guy is a joke. I can’t take someone seriously if they are using a platform like this to air their covid grievances. Like read the room my guy. He’s probably a joy to be around daily
You clocked that too?! Haha, I know everything I need to know about that first dude based off his side comments. I bet him and Rush are once in the same.😂
the last witness was nervous & scared. She was warned by another crew member to disregard safety concerns. "Be careful, Oceangate is a very litigious company" (aka, she could get sued for voicing concerns)
Antonella wasn't hip to OceanGate's "Safety Theater". Therefore she wasn't "solution oriented", and was subsequently booted from the Navigation team. Go figure.
This man and Renata Rojas are utterly blind. “We hope this doesn’t stifle innovation going forward and people see it for what it was.. an unfortunate accident” If it means that there are mandatory safety checks performed on all submersible companies, then so be it. The fact they were both so cavalier about it suggest to me they know more than they pledged an oath to tell.
I see parallels between Stockton Rush and Elizabeth Holmes. Both trying to wish their ideas into existence. Two areas where you don’t fake it ‘til you make it.
However, Stockton did in fact put his very own life on the line during the dives more often than anyone else. He wasn't suicidal but delusionally optimistic and paid the ultimate price.
@@stephanrosos4957 he was also more than willing to put others lives on the line with the false reassurance that he was on the dive, knowing full well he himself was happy to die on a dive.
Calling all owners of triton vessels! One of you needs to sponsor a holiday for Antonella and organize some pilot training sessions for her on your sub. I understand if you can't employ her afterwards if you already have pilots employed - that's ok. But this needs to be done before Christmas.
The first guy made my skin crawl. Titan was never supposed to be safe..... just wow especially when there have been so many people say this can be done safely and without incident.
@@metal--babble346 There were like a dozen totally ridiculous things he said. For example, when asked whether anyone ever approached him about safety problems, he answered (I’m paraphrasing)… “Well, no one ever told me there were real life-threatening issues here, so to answer your question, your answer is no.” Well, Einstein. That’s NOT what you were asked! Plus, half of the questions, it took him 10 seconds to respond. He needed time to figure out the lie and deception. Couldn’t give a straight answer half the time. Not to mention his MANY instances of “I can’t recall,” blaming it on his age. Yet he recalled very well that the dome weighed 3,500 pounds! (Did I get that right? 3,500?) I mean seriously, this guy was so full of shit that I smelled it all the way to here in South Florida.
@@Ira88881 These "mission specialists" were just glorified passengers that provided funding for the opportunity. What would be their motivation to lie about anything or cover anything up?
@@Ira88881 That's a given, but there are no legalities surrounding ego to lie about or avoid. Who would passengers have to cover for? The CEO responsible for all of it is dead.
The first witness, I don't want to be disrespectful but his cavalier approach to 'well if I die, at least I knew the risks' doesn't apply to everyone, especially that young boy who probably didn't share his sense of 'adventure'. And did he not start of by saying once he heard they were going to the Titanic, he wanted to go. So essentially a tourist. Not science, as he wanted to sugarcoat it at the end. The only science we got from this was what not to do in the future. There is a sad irony that the Coast Guard has to hold a hearing for a submarine called the Titan and it's implosion on its way to gawk at the graveyard of the Titanic. The very reason for the coast guards existence today. How many more men, and young men, have to die for this vessel. Leave this graveyard be. Also, the analogy of yesterday's witness of all planes are checked, yet some still fail, doesn't hold soap. People die in cars not always because of a catastrophic failure but because of hubris. Not every plane that crashes, crashes because of critical failure alone. Its when things are ignored that catastrophe happens. Had the Titanic heeded the Iceberg warnings, there may have been no sinking. Stockton Rush ignored more warnings than Captain Smith did in the end. And all planes, cars, and even ships of today all go through testing. If your car is not roadworthy, you can't drive. He took advantage of the fact that it was international waters and he took the money of and ultimately the lives of so many.
Do you have any idea how many wooden ships were lost between 3000 BC and 2000 AD? People don't advance without taking risks. It sounds like that man was aware of the risk and appreciated them. Preston Rush was not hones about the risks.
@@kaiserwilhelm1938 I have no problem with being innovative. Rush was not however reinventing anything. If you have tried and tested subs, why not use those to fund your expeditions whilst working out all the kinks of your new design. Because he wanted to do everything his way and likely the cheap way, cutting corners, etc. Then risk your own life, not those who put their trust in you. Also all those who lost their lives on boats over centuries, didn't do so because they wanted to go on a cruise. It was the only way to travel from one continent to another at the time. A means to an end.
Imagine hiring a brilliant engineer like this last witness of the day and giving her jobs to do that could have easily been done by a computer and ignoring, even chastising her, for coming up with solutions for so many of the problems they were having in a variety of areas! Even more unimaginable is that they had the audacity to tell her that SHE wasn't being solution-oriented! Imagine how different things probably would have been if they had listened to her as the competent and brilliant engineer who she seems to be! Perhaps five people would still be alive today. Any company would be lucky to have her on their team because she's someone who knows how to think. As much as this company branded itself as being innovative and being able to think on their feet, they failed to even recognize it when they had someone on their team who is clearly excellent at doing both of those things.
Now I see her name. Well done, Antonella Wilby! I hope someone with a company who needs a good engineer hires her and pays her an upper middle class salary at a bare minimum because this woman and her talents will be the best investment your company has ever made since she knows how to think. So few people know how to think anymore so do not take her for granted!
Antonella Wilby seems like good people. Very quick and smart, and offering potentially helpful solutions. Don't know if she could have saved OceanGate from the inevitable, though.
As someone who would never EVER go into a deep sea submersible, even before the Oceangate tragedy, Mr. Lahey has convinced me to be open to considering going into a Triton submersible. Maybe not to the deep sea, but somewhere a little less deep.
Its both hearting and disheartening the ampunt of passionate people who were caring and trying to alert others, make things safer and talk some wisdom into the people that had the controls and wouldnt listen.
The few crazy risk taking mission specialists act like no one ever said it was safe....meanwhile oceangate advertised it as safe and tested. Those adrenaline junkies just want to go to titanic again at all cost...
The computer scientist seemed really bright. Nightmare boss, having you job threatened for raising reasonable concerns, threatened with legal action, etc. I hope their career and studies go far more smoothly from now on.
I'd hardly consider classing a vessel something which would "inhibit" innovation. If anything it's a great enabler - gives you the confidence to proceed without worrying that you might cease to be biology and suddenly become physics part way into your dive.
I actually enjoy listening to Triton submarine CEO. He runs a successful business venture for deepsea exploration without cutting corners. I think the core here is that they built several subs for shallow depth to create enough revenue to invest in deepsea diving. So one part is tourism and another is more bleeding edge deepsea diving. As another witness testimony stated "Triton submarines are the Ferarri of submarines" , referring to the exotic handmade Italian sports cars that most consider to be a childhood dream to be able to drive.
He doesn't run a 'successful venture for deep sea exploration'. That's equally absurd as calling what Oceangate did 'deepsea research'. He builds literal toys for billionaires. He does it great and all power to him, but it's kind of ironic how he's everyone's favorite while Rush is the evil capitalist only interested in profit. The reason why he can throw everything he has on the problem is exactly that he can charge premium. Oceangate, however in a flawed way, actually tried to bring that cost down.
The first witness....yes, maybe there should have been rescue vehicles and personnel on standby! Maybe it was OceanGate's responsibility to set that up. Maybe if you had let the Coast Guard know BEFORE the dive rather than mid-emergency they would have responded with the appropriate resources. And maybe the Canadian forces responded like that because there was a random ship in their waters launching random equipment into the ocean and that could be a national security concern. It's wild that he had any issues with the Coast Guard at all after his comment about how if there was an issue at depth they were basically dead.
"we ALL knew there were limited assets available for rescue and recovery. So we ALL knew we would probably die if something went wrong"... was this knowledge stipulated on the waiver Titan passengers had to sign ??
Yeah… he says that, then wraps up with something to the effect that all the agencies that were not notified ahead of time about the dive should have pulled out all the stops and immediately rushed all assets possible to the rescue; and at the same time he hopes there are no regulations coming out from these same agencies that would prevent reckless beha…. errr… I mean innovation. Individualized reckless behavior …. Socialized save me from the consequences of my reckless behavior
I believe it's common knowledge that because of the depth and conditions, the only options are "you're fine, you're entangled, or you're instantly dead."
In aviation there’s no mission specialist. There will be crew and passengers, period. And paying passengers/commercial ops are not allowed if an aircraft is not certified, experimental or in test flight.
The whole "listening for fibres popping"... That's in no way a reliable metric of anything other than "Your hull is now weaker than it was a moment ago". Its first dive is as strong as it will ever be. If you're popping fibres at all, EVER, then it's not strong enough. End of.
@@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819 Not in any of the loaded parts I can assure you. F1 car bodies are built from the stuff though. As is a bunch of the substructure. Basically anything that can be made to work with the limitations of CFRP. Anything to keep mass down.
He's right, design by analysis is a really powerful tool when used right. The company I work for has managed to reduce the prototyping stage to a final validation run for almost all new products & product updates since implementing modern modelling techniques. To be clear, we still do extensive validation on everything that's sold. It's just that there's very rarely a need to make design changes during validation any more.
@@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819 Ehh... In that industry prices are market-driven and ours presents itself as a premium brand, so I'd guess it probably doesn't, but it does make many products viable at all. I can't be too specific, but a few of our latest projects are close enough to break-even that if we didn't deliver a superior product for validation within a couple of months (actual design cycle is as short as a few weeks, but commercial need to do their bits) we wouldn't make a penny selling it. We've been able to deliver a product with just one prototype in the past, but it's not a hard goal. Often times you miss things in design & CAE, and only see the obvious issue once you're holding a production sample in your hands. For example a widget might perform perfectly well in service, but if it feels "flimsy" in the hand because we never bothered checking torsional stiffness in that one direction you'd notice it in when handling, then it'll feel like a cheap POS and make us look bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What I can say though is that finite element methods are indeed capable of incredible feats of accuracy (for lack of a better term), like the Triton dude said. What he didn't say is that you need a TONNE of good, reliable source data (essentially a map of the material's behaviour for your particular design region) and a huge dollop of good engineer's judgement to get that result. That last bit is really important. The code is just an implementation of "dumb" mathematics (actually very clever, but not in an AI kind of way). It takes a bunch of numbers (neatly abstracted away by the UI), puts them through a 3-stage meat grinder, sprinkles in a proprietary blend of 11 herbs & spices, bakes and serves you a pretty picture in the end that supposedly means something. It has no opinion on that matter, that's for the engineer to decide. Sometimes, if your fuqq-up is really obvious, it'll flag it for you.
If anything, this should teach us to never allow anyone to put anything in the water that isn't certified and tested to the highest standard. Only experts should be building subs for incredible depths. To think that if I had money I'd be able to build a tin can, fill it with people willing to pay and send it down to the titanic is insane. It should be illegal to do what Stockton rush and oceangate did.
That's one of the reasons he operated in international waters... I think the global sea faring community needs to come together to create new rules for this kind of thing along the lines of the current SOLAS and other internationally recognised maritime conventions.
They did not have realtime data from the sensors because it would have frightened everyone. So they decided ... we'll download data after the fact. Think I'm wrong ?
The company wanted technicians on the "team" that didn't speak against the vision of the CEO. The company didn't want factual evidence of the equipment's limitations but only wanted you to get "on board" with their vision, regardless of the safety concerns addressed. Absolutely disgusting on the part of Ocean Gate and a slap in the face to actual professional mariners who take safety seriously. Now, the regulations will eventually be in place, and all in the industry will be shocked by the required list of items they will need to operate and continue operating. The knee-jerk reaction to regulations due to incidents like this are caused by companies like Ocean Gate. "Cowboys" in the ocean die and kill others in the name of "innovation" and "exploration".
Regulations were already in place, are followed by seemingly all other companies, and have been practically 100% safe since they were implemented. Oceangate simply didn't comply, and weren't strictly required to. There's no reason to change the regulations, but they will perhaps force compliance where possible (would be difficult to stop them simply relocating to another country without regulations).
First witness: we shouldn't have to follow safety rules, they stifle innovation, First witness also: the coast guard should jave spent infinite money searching for my friends
I know right! Your friends were dead in an instant, there was no rescue. He also showed such disregard for the protection and respect of the titanic. Can't believe they were so brazen to approach the stairwell in that thing.
In a sense, Antonella's testimony though brief, carries as much weight as other principal witnesses, simply because she was in the trenches and being subjected to gaslighting and undue pressure from above.
I guarantee her lawyer told her do not speak one word to anybody under any circumstances. And she is too wealthy to ignore that advice. She is going to be sued into oblivion and she knows it. It's hard to predict how many millions a jury is going to be willing to award to a couple of billionaire families. But we are likely going to find out right along with Wendy Rush.
To consistently having had conversations about the possibility of death is awful and ridiculous. All rhis for paying a lot of money for a tourist trip..
What Rush was doing is not what Musk is doing. First guy was a paying tourist to the Titanic and probably wanted to see the stern to see if said Olympic on it.
Although I am well adverse to for profit sub development for millionaires/ billionaires, I think having the 3rd witness speak here is essential. Oceangate isn't the only person doing this, and there are companies that can (at least on paper) work with the coast guard, test as much as necessary, class their submersibles, train their pilots, upkeep their class, etc etc. Oceangates defence relies on the lie that there was nothing that can be done and their accident was an inherent risk that couldn't be eliminated, and that any standard or regulation would 'squash innovation or prevent any submersible made in the future, or that without these cuts, a submersible company for private passangers will never be available.' here is a company that does just this and keeps people safe.
He asks what could be done to prevent this type of disaster in the future. Perhaps if OSHA and the Coast Guard had done their jobs at any point after being alerted to the countless violations then perhaps that would help.
Certification, inspections, rigorous testing is the scientific peer review. Those people who want to circumvent the system are going against science not promoting it.
I can't believe that Ocean Gate convinced people that there was no existing way to test it's pressure hulls and it was ok to take it down to depth with any living thing on board was a good idea and that taking it only to depth was enough when 1.5 times it's operating depth is the standard for testing for a safety factor. Stockton just didn't want to pay for it plain and simple.
092124 - I just began listening to this testimony from Friday, Sept 20, 2024. The title, "Mission Specialist" means NOTHING. This is quite disappointing to me. I heard from Thursday's testimony near the end that a Mission Specialist can be ANY age. This truly surprises me to my core. I heard how the "Mission Specialist" were "racing" to see how fast they could compete to install and remove the dome bolts. I could not do this. My ties to the military profoundly push for structure, timeliness and proper procedures. The Mission Specialists paid hand over fist to do "Grunt" work. (Shaking my head) 🤔
Four bolts out of 18? How insane. To test a theory? There was a commercial airline where the pilots decided to "test a theory" about the RPM controls and control loop of a jetliner and they pulled the fuses for the RPM indicator for an engine. The engine went into overspeed, had an uncontained failure, a fan blade penetrated a window an a passenger was pulled out and fell to his death over Soccoro NM where his body was found much later by a farmer.
So because he had the money to pay to be a mission specialist, he felt it appropriate to circumvent Canadian Covid protocols and lie. Meanwhile Canadians were having zoom funerals.
I'm genuinely baffled trying to think of who could've boarded the first witness's ship armed that heavily. Automatic rifles (like AR-15s) are illegal in Canada so he must've gotten that wrong, unless it was pirates or something (which I doubt, the harbourfront is gated off, and entry to the harbour itself is very well controlled). Like, I live in St. John's, there is not a heavy military presence here, although there is a base on the harbour, so I guess it could be that?
4:58:16 Same was in Titan to. You did not need any battery power for air or coming up to the surface. Even if anyone in Titan was unconscious the sub would come up. Titat was also redundant in such a situation. If the skids got stuck or the ballast couln'd be thrown off, you could throw off the entire frame and still surface. Titan had also an air blatter outside the hull for rendundancy. You could do all this without battery power btw. So this was also considered at Ocean Gate.
Wearing headphones help! When I was listening through just my phone speakers, I had the volume the whole up the whole time, but I do have an auditory processing disorder and I’m invested in this so I really want to hear it over all the other noises I pick up on 🥲
@@davidshelton1898 ... oh well, having watched a number of trials, there are basically 2 breaks. one mid morning, the other mid afternoon ... besides lunch. And that's it. Not one every 20 minutes. :)
Here from watching trials regularly and I am in full agreement. It’s not a trial and obviously they can do as they please, but it is absolutely jarring when compared to how trials are run.
CNN: Transparent tourist submarine launches at Vietnam resort 😲😲😱😱 I don't know. Triton guy sounds like he has his stuff together but this still looks scary. lol. On the other hand, acrylic domes have gone very deep but I'll need to think about it. How does this compare to transparent aluminum btw?
Thank you to USCG for understanding the importance of unbiased public access to all the information you and other involved parties are bringing to light in this investigation. Uncut videos of testimonies and hearings like this are really the only way we can ensure lack of rumors and false information, both of which directly negatively impact the present and future of necessary safety regulations for projects like Titan.
I went to the commentsection to post exactly this 👆🏻
100%! Watching many hearings and legal cases it is immensely informative and the only real way to be completely transparent!
When it comes to government meetings, everything that can be streamed live and uploaded, should be.
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Well said it’s fascinating
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You're a godsend
Thank you
All timestamp guys deserve eternal and everlasting riches
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I have been a Mission Specialist on many aviation adventures. My role involved staying seated while the seatbelt light is illuminated and returning my tray table to an upright & locked position.
Thank you for your service and contributions to the field of aviation exploration 🙏
the worst part about the position is waiting in line with the many other Mission Specialists for the Lavatory 😶🌫
Bonus points if you've sat in the emergency exit row and were trained how to save everyone on the plane!
I research and map local terrain while sampling various Starbucks.
@@DaveTube775 emergency exit row pax are important!
The contrast of a CEO of a submersible company that obviously has a conscience and cares about his clients and doesn't view people dying on one of his subs as an acceptable risk is really not a good look for Oceangate. Kudos to Mr. Lahey for doing things the right way.
😂😂 As a board member, I'd instantly dismiss the CEO if I heard that an NDA prevented an employee from speaking to me.
Rush probably controlled the board too. Oceangate seems like a very unhealthy company.
When the first witness said he was upset with USCG’s response to the search and rescue- that was the last straw for me! What did he expect them to do?? The only two remote submersibles that could dive to the depth they were at were in the North Pacific, and south Atlantic by Antarctica! It took them almost 4 days to just get to the site! How on earth is that USCG fault??
Yah it's crazy. OceanGate MacGyver'd a submersible and ignored all warning signs and advice to make it safer. A bunch of bozo thrillseekers paid big money to risk their lives riding in the thing. On the day of the fateful dive OceanGate waited 8-1/2 hours after they lost contact with the sub to call the USCG for help. USCG and others risked their lives trying to rescue the bozos. Yet somehow the USCG is to be blamed.
He's a rich idiot, through and through.
That guy is everything that is wrong with rich people
Don't take risks in safety averse vehicles...
Around 1:37.00
"I was told to tell [the Canadian immigration] that I was participating in the mission and was a member of the team that was going down on the submersible which was correct, I mean I was also a mission specialist or as you say a tourist. I did not use the word tourist to the Canadians because I did not think it would be conducive to them allowing me to enter the country"
Mr Lockridge was threatened by Oceangate to be sued for visa fraud and reported to immigration services, and then they instructed their passengers to lie to immigration services to avoid a visa I assume. Rich. Not completely sure but I think that's a crime, wonder if he's confident in admitting because he's be rich enough to pay the fines
"we were adrenaline junkies diving in an experimental submarine. Anyone who thought this sub was safe is delusional". Meanwhile Oceangate sold tickets to passengers with "safety approved by Boeing & NASA" stickers.
“It wasn’t meant to be safe.” Oh, bad move.
@@guitarista67 That was wild.
Boeing has a strong Safety culture!
Sarcasm
@@guitarista67 that the panel of professionals from the Coast Guard and NTSB didn’t audibly gasp at this ridiculousness is a testament to their integrity.
"If you designed a pressure boundary appropriately, there is no reason to have instrumentation in it to monitor its health. The expectation is that you designed something where the health of the pressure boundary is an inherent part of the design." - Mr Lahey, implosion-averse.
Being implosion averse is one of his finest qualities
This is one of the most compelling quotes of the last few days.
Like a Boss.
"Safety theater"...A very appropriate term given what I've been seeing over the past few days of testimony.
I'm sure the term "Safety Theater" is open for the taking, as long as you credit Antonella Wilby.
Methinks the description is apt when the navigation team is using Excel and a hand drawn map of the Titanic's bow to guide the Titan to the site of the wreck.
Is a "culture of safety" include leaving it sit exposed to the elements in a parking lot for 6 months? I have a few doubts about that belief.
I think what is striking among everyone associated with OG - Rush, the "mission specialists," engineering - is the lack of understanding of the difference between RISK and SAFETY. Sure, heading to the moon or the Titanic, or jumping out of a plane, or bungee jumping, or climbing Everest, all of these are RISKY. However that does not mean that you don't try to make them as SAFE as you can. You don't jump out of a plane without training and without being damn sure there's a parachute in your backpack. You don't climb Everest without understanding when to turn back, and if you ignore that you are being unsafe, and increasing your risk in a way that is no longer inherent in the activity. And you don't dive to some of the most remote and harsh environments on Earth without making sure you are doing it as safely as possible. Deep sea submersible diving has always been risky, but until OG it has also been incredibly SAFE because people took it seriously.
YES!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Obviously people know diving down to the Titanic carries with it risk. That’s a world of difference between knowing you’re going into a ticking time bomb that’s not being held to safety standards and was built cheaply to save money.
Day 4 approx. times:
30:30 Hagen starts
1:25:15 break
1:36:45 reconvene
1:51: Hagen ends
2:06:00 Dave Dyer (UWash APL)
2:54:00 break
3:06:15 reconvene
3:21:00 Dyer concludes
4:45:00 Patrick Lougheed (Triton Submarines)
6:31:00 Lougheed ends
6:45:30 Antonella Wilby
7:39:40 break
7:49:30 reconvene
7:55:00 Wilby concludes
Very helpful 🙏
Thanks king
42:45 "... a decision was made to install only 4 of the 18 bolts..." [that were supposed to secure the end-cap with the viewing port to the sub body]. It is inconceivable to me that "bolt installers" didn't stand up and say something to the effect of "We're doing all of the bolts or none of the bolts. The choice is yours."
I would get myself, my employer and my workmates kicked off a mine site instantly if I only installed a quarter of the bolts required for a job while claiming the task was complete. We even have rules in which way bolts are orientated, torque specs and sequences they are to be tightened to.
When the 2nd guy said that the hatch was leaking so they decided to keep going so it could pressure seal itself?!?!!!!! I felt my soul leave my body
It weighed 3900 lbs and they secured it with 4 bolts to save time. The first witness said there was a culture of safety … ok, that could have killed a few people on its own when it fell off
This was so illuminating, the last two speakers especially. I had no idea there was a whole submersible industry. The ceo is right that safety standards should be mandated. And i feel so badly for the employee, i really don’t know what could have been done differently. Especially seeing she was correct in fearing she would be sued if she spoke up, as the other whistleblower was. Imagine being threatened with firing just for suggesting using a software.
@@davidshelton1898
If you're gonna survive the Wild West, you gotta learn to be a Cowboy.
I feel bad for Antonella Wilby, the last witness of the day. She's clearly a very smart person, had some good relevant experience (unlike some of the others working for OceanGate), and she cared about safety and improving the processes. But nobody at OceanGate wanted to listen to her. It was a reckless work environment with prima donnas in charge who didn't want to be told what they could or should do. I'm in a different field but have experienced similar, with similar results (except in my experiences, thankfully, nobody died).
I was very impressed by Ms Wilby: both her real-world technical experience and her powers of analysis, even of engineering and software issues not covered by her prior training. She is clearly very bright and proved too hard to bamboozle for Oceangate to risk keeping her on. She instinctively asked the right questions, yet was bullied and dismissed as a result. I hope one of the operators of the properly constructed and classed Triton submarines offers to give her the crewed piloting training that she sought and so amply deserves.
It doesn't matter if Antonella voiced her concerns.
She didn't have an "Explorer Mindset", wasn't "solution oriented", and didn't play along with OceanGate's "Safety Theater".
Three strikes and you're out.
@@DocZedMoto Safety Theater is such a great term for the Stockton Rush clown show.
@@DocZedMotoit was more like one strike and you’re out with her
1:00:00 “there’s no test for this shape” BECAUSE THE SHAPE DOESNT WORK AT THAT DEPTH!!!!!!
Second guy is really showing that Nissen isn’t as innocent as he tried to make himself out to be, that his own ego is very much to blame, just as Rush’s.
They were explorers. "It was supposed to be risky." But when the 'ship' hit the fan, they called the Coast Guard, and the search operations were paid from our taxes 🤔
Exactly
First passenger is another rich person who thinks taxpayers should pay for his idiocy. If these rich people want to unalive themselves they are free to do so. But don't ask me to pay for it.
Right? If private enterprise is so much better at accomplishing sea exploration shouldn’t they also be better at making rescue gear? These people were/are delusional
That was wild: it was unsafe, I knew it was unsafe, I knew that unsafe meant I'd be human jam within a couple of milliseconds, I scorn the agencies trying to establish safety standards. And I blame the Coastguard for not throwing everything at an impossible rescue; everything wasn't available because we didn't arrange for available assistance beforehand
@@kueblerwolf Rescue gear is made by private companies.
Or risk others to come save them. Look at Mount Everest … if you get stuck at the top why should everyone else put their resources and lives to save you?
@@royalal I agree, we shouldn't finance rescue services from taxes.
Re the first guy’s closing statements: how about we use this as a lesson on the importance of safety measures, checks, and regulations and how rich people shouldn’t just get to do crazy shit the way they want to because they ca. if these “explorers” really cared about the pursuit and passion of exploring the ocean and pushing boundaries and limited then they would want things to be done safely and correctly. They have big egos and don’t care about the overall missions as much as they care about them getting to say they are pioneers. Congrats on being so rich and not giving a shit
“Mobilize all your resources putting others lives at risk to try to come maybe save 5 rich people who put themselves there knowing the risk”… Everest is littered with the dead bodies of the rich…
Its interesting how dodgy both "mission specialists" ie passengers, have been in these hearings. Renata Rojas was also frequently vague, or even flat out coy with her responses to questions that implicated OceanGate of anything approaching wrongdoing.
What's also interesting is their closing remarks are similar in their pleas that this incident not result in regulations that negatively impact their ability as paying passengers (or in this case, thrill seekers) to continue these grand adventures as deep pocketed laymen/paying passengers in the latest and greatest of deep sea exploration technology.
I think a venture like oceangate requires a lot of both financial and psychological buy-in, and especially to get the psychological buy-in required from prospective “mission specialists” you’d have to employ tactics that are pretty close to what cult leaders or groomers use. So I imagine a lot of this dodgy behavior and intentional vagueness (both of their testimonies reminded me a lot of like, CEOs testifying in front of congress but if the CEO actually knew very little about their industry or specific business) is from a misled sense of loyalty to a company that no longer exists led by a man who manipulated others so hard it killed both himself and others. Maybe a sense of internal shame or embarrassment that they spent so much time and money on this thing that a part of them probably knew was wrong and dangerous and ill-advised, but I also don’t know what it’s like to be rich enough to just pay to fulfill a dream, so I’m guessing, because when you’re that wealthy who knows if you actually ever regret spending money on things.
I also got this vibe of like “I watch a lot of greys anatomy so I’m basically a doctor” from both of their testimonies, more Renata’s than this first guy. So maybe there’s some insecurity because they both know that the only reason they got to do something like this is because they paid for it and they don’t actually possess any qualities that would help them gain this opportunity based on merit.
Antonella Wilby: some people heard a loud bang upon ascent
Amber Bay: you don't have an explorer mind set... 😳
Amber Bay: "You don't have an explorer mindset, and we are in Stockton's Safety Theater!"
I really felt for that lady you can see how it’s affected her.
The hubris of claiming that jumping out of a plain isn’t safe is infuriating, skydiving has risks but people don’t sell tickets to use experimental parachutes. Equating diving on the Titan to skydiving is like comparing the risks of seeing a lion in the zoo to going up to a lion in wild.
Most of these people, especially the 'mission specialists', are in denial about what this really was. You don't experiment with humans on board. Stockton fooled them all.
YES!!! THANK YOU!!! Fooled by a grifter!!!!!!!!! And they’re STILL in denial about it!!!!!!
Make no mistakes, they may have been fooled regarding the safety aspects, but they definitely knew and were on board with the "mission specialist" scam. As such much of their testimony is borderline criminal and I have zero sympathy for them.
Wendy Rush, refusing help. This whole thing was a nightmare ascent of Mount Stupid.
More like descent
@@nuwnjaydescent into Trench Stupid
I’ve gotta find someone ride or die like that
I hope she will testify!
Cripes this first guy is a joke. I can’t take someone seriously if they are using a platform like this to air their covid grievances. Like read the room my guy. He’s probably a joy to be around daily
You clocked that too?! Haha, I know everything I need to know about that first dude based off his side comments. I bet him and Rush are once in the same.😂
the last witness was nervous & scared. She was warned by another crew member to disregard safety concerns. "Be careful, Oceangate is a very litigious company" (aka, she could get sued for voicing concerns)
Scottish dude's experience kind of validates that concern 🤔
Antonella wasn't hip to OceanGate's "Safety Theater".
Therefore she wasn't "solution oriented", and was subsequently booted from the Navigation team.
Go figure.
1:47:42 this guy literally just said the quiet part out loud; “the bigger tragedy than the loss of life would be regulation from the gub’ment”
This man and Renata Rojas are utterly blind. “We hope this doesn’t stifle innovation going forward and people see it for what it was.. an unfortunate accident”
If it means that there are mandatory safety checks performed on all submersible companies, then so be it. The fact they were both so cavalier about it suggest to me they know more than they pledged an oath to tell.
I see parallels between Stockton Rush and Elizabeth Holmes. Both trying to wish their ideas into existence. Two areas where you don’t fake it ‘til you make it.
Spot on!! You don't play with peoples lives!
complete sociopaths, they just can't comprehend that people's lives that you are not necessarily know matter...
However, Stockton did in fact put his very own life on the line during the dives more often than anyone else. He wasn't suicidal but delusionally optimistic and paid the ultimate price.
@@stephanrosos4957 he was also more than willing to put others lives on the line with the false reassurance that he was on the dive, knowing full well he himself was happy to die on a dive.
Don't forget Electric Jesus!
Calling all owners of triton vessels! One of you needs to sponsor a holiday for Antonella and organize some pilot training sessions for her on your sub. I understand if you can't employ her afterwards if you already have pilots employed - that's ok. But this needs to be done before Christmas.
The girl at the end bless her. Sounds like thier safety culture was “All the gear with no idea”
The first guy made my skin crawl. Titan was never supposed to be safe..... just wow especially when there have been so many people say this can be done safely and without incident.
“I am very badass” vibes from that guy.
Hello people from the previous streams 👋🏻
They return from lunch at 4:45:03
I wonder how the Canadian government will feel about someone lying to get through immigration during a pandemic just to take a ride in a boat.
💀💀💀
Yeah hopefully he gets a phone call. That guy was a dbag
At the very least he should be banned from entry to our beautiful country for a few years.
This first guy is a total jerk.
"I got 2 dives for the price of one." .... how does that help the Coast Guard investigate this tragedy ??
@@metal--babble346 There were like a dozen totally ridiculous things he said. For example, when asked whether anyone ever approached him about safety problems, he answered (I’m paraphrasing)…
“Well, no one ever told me there were real life-threatening issues here, so to answer your question, your answer is no.”
Well, Einstein. That’s NOT what you were asked!
Plus, half of the questions, it took him 10 seconds to respond. He needed time to figure out the lie and deception. Couldn’t give a straight answer half the time.
Not to mention his MANY instances of “I can’t recall,” blaming it on his age. Yet he recalled very well that the dome weighed 3,500 pounds! (Did I get that right? 3,500?)
I mean seriously, this guy was so full of shit that I smelled it all the way to here in South Florida.
@@Ira88881 These "mission specialists" were just glorified passengers that provided funding for the opportunity. What would be their motivation to lie about anything or cover anything up?
@@clintwilliams3818 Ego.
They look like idiots for agreeing to go.
@@Ira88881 That's a given, but there are no legalities surrounding ego to lie about or avoid. Who would passengers have to cover for? The CEO responsible for all of it is dead.
The first witness, I don't want to be disrespectful but his cavalier approach to 'well if I die, at least I knew the risks' doesn't apply to everyone, especially that young boy who probably didn't share his sense of 'adventure'. And did he not start of by saying once he heard they were going to the Titanic, he wanted to go. So essentially a tourist. Not science, as he wanted to sugarcoat it at the end. The only science we got from this was what not to do in the future. There is a sad irony that the Coast Guard has to hold a hearing for a submarine called the Titan and it's implosion on its way to gawk at the graveyard of the Titanic. The very reason for the coast guards existence today. How many more men, and young men, have to die for this vessel. Leave this graveyard be. Also, the analogy of yesterday's witness of all planes are checked, yet some still fail, doesn't hold soap. People die in cars not always because of a catastrophic failure but because of hubris. Not every plane that crashes, crashes because of critical failure alone. Its when things are ignored that catastrophe happens. Had the Titanic heeded the Iceberg warnings, there may have been no sinking. Stockton Rush ignored more warnings than Captain Smith did in the end. And all planes, cars, and even ships of today all go through testing. If your car is not roadworthy, you can't drive. He took advantage of the fact that it was international waters and he took the money of and ultimately the lives of so many.
Agree. I bet that 19 yo. would have really liked to have gone back home from this trip.
He comes across like a mafia boss or something.
@@germansnowman What a perfect description.
Do you have any idea how many wooden ships were lost between 3000 BC and 2000 AD? People don't advance without taking risks. It sounds like that man was aware of the risk and appreciated them. Preston Rush was not hones about the risks.
@@kaiserwilhelm1938 I have no problem with being innovative. Rush was not however reinventing anything. If you have tried and tested subs, why not use those to fund your expeditions whilst working out all the kinks of your new design. Because he wanted to do everything his way and likely the cheap way, cutting corners, etc. Then risk your own life, not those who put their trust in you. Also all those who lost their lives on boats over centuries, didn't do so because they wanted to go on a cruise. It was the only way to travel from one continent to another at the time. A means to an end.
The panel legit called in the owner of Triton Subs just so he could dunk on Stockton Rush and Oceangate for a couple hours.
They’re looking for industry standard, but assuming you’re correct: good for them.
With good reasons.
He cooked from beginning to end.
Imagine hiring a brilliant engineer like this last witness of the day and giving her jobs to do that could have easily been done by a computer and ignoring, even chastising her, for coming up with solutions for so many of the problems they were having in a variety of areas! Even more unimaginable is that they had the audacity to tell her that SHE wasn't being solution-oriented! Imagine how different things probably would have been if they had listened to her as the competent and brilliant engineer who she seems to be! Perhaps five people would still be alive today. Any company would be lucky to have her on their team because she's someone who knows how to think. As much as this company branded itself as being innovative and being able to think on their feet, they failed to even recognize it when they had someone on their team who is clearly excellent at doing both of those things.
Now I see her name. Well done, Antonella Wilby! I hope someone with a company who needs a good engineer hires her and pays her an upper middle class salary at a bare minimum because this woman and her talents will be the best investment your company has ever made since she knows how to think. So few people know how to think anymore so do not take her for granted!
Wilby is who Nissen thinks he is 🥲
Antonella Wilby seems like good people.
Very quick and smart, and offering potentially helpful solutions.
Don't know if she could have saved OceanGate from the inevitable, though.
As someone who would never EVER go into a deep sea submersible, even before the Oceangate tragedy, Mr. Lahey has convinced me to be open to considering going into a Triton submersible. Maybe not to the deep sea, but somewhere a little less deep.
Its both hearting and disheartening the ampunt of passionate people who were caring and trying to alert others, make things safer and talk some wisdom into the people that had the controls and wouldnt listen.
The few crazy risk taking mission specialists act like no one ever said it was safe....meanwhile oceangate advertised it as safe and tested. Those adrenaline junkies just want to go to titanic again at all cost...
The computer scientist seemed really bright. Nightmare boss, having you job threatened for raising reasonable concerns, threatened with legal action, etc. I hope their career and studies go far more smoothly from now on.
I'd hardly consider classing a vessel something which would "inhibit" innovation. If anything it's a great enabler - gives you the confidence to proceed without worrying that you might cease to be biology and suddenly become physics part way into your dive.
Yup.
Patrick Lahey and Triton Submarines are the real deal.
Safety Theatre would be a great name for a progressive rock band.
"Mission Specialist", what a joke.
Legal loophole term for high funding passenger.
I actually enjoy listening to Triton submarine CEO. He runs a successful business venture for deepsea exploration without cutting corners. I think the core here is that they built several subs for shallow depth to create enough revenue to invest in deepsea diving. So one part is tourism and another is more bleeding edge deepsea diving. As another witness testimony stated "Triton submarines are the Ferarri of submarines" , referring to the exotic handmade Italian sports cars that most consider to be a childhood dream to be able to drive.
More like the Lamborghini, since they actual work. 😂
Only that their subs are far more reliable than a Ferrari.
Doesn’t matter whether you’re talking about a production Lamborghini or Ferrari. Supercars are not reliable by their very nature.
Thanks for letting me know what a Ferrari is.
He doesn't run a 'successful venture for deep sea exploration'. That's equally absurd as calling what Oceangate did 'deepsea research'. He builds literal toys for billionaires. He does it great and all power to him, but it's kind of ironic how he's everyone's favorite while Rush is the evil capitalist only interested in profit. The reason why he can throw everything he has on the problem is exactly that he can charge premium. Oceangate, however in a flawed way, actually tried to bring that cost down.
The first witness....yes, maybe there should have been rescue vehicles and personnel on standby! Maybe it was OceanGate's responsibility to set that up. Maybe if you had let the Coast Guard know BEFORE the dive rather than mid-emergency they would have responded with the appropriate resources. And maybe the Canadian forces responded like that because there was a random ship in their waters launching random equipment into the ocean and that could be a national security concern. It's wild that he had any issues with the Coast Guard at all after his comment about how if there was an issue at depth they were basically dead.
"we ALL knew there were limited assets available for rescue and recovery. So we ALL knew we would probably die if something went wrong"... was this knowledge stipulated on the waiver Titan passengers had to sign ??
Yeah… he says that, then wraps up with something to the effect that all the agencies that were not notified ahead of time about the dive should have pulled out all the stops and immediately rushed all assets possible to the rescue; and at the same time he hopes there are no regulations coming out from these same agencies that would prevent reckless beha…. errr… I mean innovation.
Individualized reckless behavior ….
Socialized save me from the consequences of my reckless behavior
I believe it's common knowledge that because of the depth and conditions, the only options are "you're fine, you're entangled, or you're instantly dead."
In aviation there’s no mission specialist.
There will be crew and passengers, period.
And paying passengers/commercial ops are not allowed if an aircraft is not certified, experimental or in test flight.
Imagine if we regular airplane passengers got to come and hand bolts and wrenches to the technicians while they were working on the airplanes. 😂
“It’s not supposed to be safe.” Well Oceangate knocked it out of the park then
The whole "listening for fibres popping"... That's in no way a reliable metric of anything other than "Your hull is now weaker than it was a moment ago".
Its first dive is as strong as it will ever be. If you're popping fibres at all, EVER, then it's not strong enough. End of.
In a video that isn’t the hearing, I heard someone say that carbon fiber is used in racing vehicle motors, which are constantly being rebuilt. 🥲
@@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819 Not in any of the loaded parts I can assure you. F1 car bodies are built from the stuff though. As is a bunch of the substructure. Basically anything that can be made to work with the limitations of CFRP. Anything to keep mass down.
Listen to enough fibers pop and you're gonna end up Stuckt N Crushed.
(OK, I'll stop now.)
@@DocZedMoto We don't call him Stockton Mush for no reason...
He's right, design by analysis is a really powerful tool when used right. The company I work for has managed to reduce the prototyping stage to a final validation run for almost all new products & product updates since implementing modern modelling techniques.
To be clear, we still do extensive validation on everything that's sold. It's just that there's very rarely a need to make design changes during validation any more.
Nice!! Does that ultimately make the final product cheaper??
@@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819 Ehh... In that industry prices are market-driven and ours presents itself as a premium brand, so I'd guess it probably doesn't, but it does make many products viable at all.
I can't be too specific, but a few of our latest projects are close enough to break-even that if we didn't deliver a superior product for validation within a couple of months (actual design cycle is as short as a few weeks, but commercial need to do their bits) we wouldn't make a penny selling it. We've been able to deliver a product with just one prototype in the past, but it's not a hard goal. Often times you miss things in design & CAE, and only see the obvious issue once you're holding a production sample in your hands. For example a widget might perform perfectly well in service, but if it feels "flimsy" in the hand because we never bothered checking torsional stiffness in that one direction you'd notice it in when handling, then it'll feel like a cheap POS and make us look bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What I can say though is that finite element methods are indeed capable of incredible feats of accuracy (for lack of a better term), like the Triton dude said. What he didn't say is that you need a TONNE of good, reliable source data (essentially a map of the material's behaviour for your particular design region) and a huge dollop of good engineer's judgement to get that result. That last bit is really important. The code is just an implementation of "dumb" mathematics (actually very clever, but not in an AI kind of way). It takes a bunch of numbers (neatly abstracted away by the UI), puts them through a 3-stage meat grinder, sprinkles in a proprietary blend of 11 herbs & spices, bakes and serves you a pretty picture in the end that supposedly means something. It has no opinion on that matter, that's for the engineer to decide. Sometimes, if your fuqq-up is really obvious, it'll flag it for you.
If anything, this should teach us to never allow anyone to put anything in the water that isn't certified and tested to the highest standard. Only experts should be building subs for incredible depths. To think that if I had money I'd be able to build a tin can, fill it with people willing to pay and send it down to the titanic is insane. It should be illegal to do what Stockton rush and oceangate did.
That's one of the reasons he operated in international waters... I think the global sea faring community needs to come together to create new rules for this kind of thing along the lines of the current SOLAS and other internationally recognised maritime conventions.
@@petermartin8579
Would you please define SOLAS for us?
They did not have realtime data from the sensors because it would have frightened everyone. So they decided ... we'll download data after the fact.
Think I'm wrong ?
The company wanted technicians on the "team" that didn't speak against the vision of the CEO. The company didn't want factual evidence of the equipment's limitations but only wanted you to get "on board" with their vision, regardless of the safety concerns addressed. Absolutely disgusting on the part of Ocean Gate and a slap in the face to actual professional mariners who take safety seriously. Now, the regulations will eventually be in place, and all in the industry will be shocked by the required list of items they will need to operate and continue operating. The knee-jerk reaction to regulations due to incidents like this are caused by companies like Ocean Gate. "Cowboys" in the ocean die and kill others in the name of "innovation" and "exploration".
Regulations were already in place, are followed by seemingly all other companies, and have been practically 100% safe since they were implemented. Oceangate simply didn't comply, and weren't strictly required to.
There's no reason to change the regulations, but they will perhaps force compliance where possible (would be difficult to stop them simply relocating to another country without regulations).
They were tracking the sub by hand.
Nuh uhh.
They were using Excel! That's a computer program.
Computers good.
First witness: we shouldn't have to follow safety rules, they stifle innovation, First witness also: the coast guard should jave spent infinite money searching for my friends
I know right! Your friends were dead in an instant, there was no rescue. He also showed such disregard for the protection and respect of the titanic. Can't believe they were so brazen to approach the stairwell in that thing.
I am a mission specialist as a car passenger....operating my radio, opening windows, and monitoring the fuel gauge.......
So the first guy paid $250,000 to spiral down into total oblivion in a completely dark tin can? For that experience he should've tried a k-hole.
for some reason that is the one thats illegal
The way the SR groupies talk so cavalierly about safety is shocking.
WHAT!? They werent going to ask what rules he broke on the support ship? 😂 sounds juicy lol
7:20:00 OMG. And they just reused this thing over and over.
With these "mission specialists" how do you protect such willing victims. 😣
im sorry, did she say they were navigating by EXCEL???????????? 6:44:19
In a sense, Antonella's testimony though brief, carries as much weight as other principal witnesses, simply because she was in the trenches and being subjected to gaslighting and undue pressure from above.
When is Wendy rush going to be questioned?! Is she to scared to face the music?!
I guarantee her lawyer told her do not speak one word to anybody under any circumstances. And she is too wealthy to ignore that advice. She is going to be sued into oblivion and she knows it. It's hard to predict how many millions a jury is going to be willing to award to a couple of billionaire families. But we are likely going to find out right along with Wendy Rush.
I saw someone say her and several other big wigs are taking the fifth.
Yup.
My guess is smart lawyer instructing Wendy to plead the Fifth.
America, Fweck Yeah!
To consistently having had conversations about the possibility of death is awful and ridiculous. All rhis for paying a lot of money for a tourist trip..
Not possibility. Probability of a catastrophic event.
What Rush was doing is not what Musk is doing. First guy was a paying tourist to the Titanic and probably wanted to see the stern to see if said Olympic on it.
Although I am well adverse to for profit sub development for millionaires/ billionaires, I think having the 3rd witness speak here is essential. Oceangate isn't the only person doing this, and there are companies that can (at least on paper) work with the coast guard, test as much as necessary, class their submersibles, train their pilots, upkeep their class, etc etc.
Oceangates defence relies on the lie that there was nothing that can be done and their accident was an inherent risk that couldn't be eliminated, and that any standard or regulation would 'squash innovation or prevent any submersible made in the future, or that without these cuts, a submersible company for private passangers will never be available.' here is a company that does just this and keeps people safe.
He asks what could be done to prevent this type of disaster in the future.
Perhaps if OSHA and the Coast Guard had done their jobs at any point after being alerted to the countless violations then perhaps that would help.
Darn sad...and preventable.
That’s the greatest tragedy about this whole mess. :(
Certification, inspections, rigorous testing is the scientific peer review. Those people who want to circumvent the system are going against science not promoting it.
YES 👏👏👏
And you have to stop and ask yourself “why”!! Why are they wanting to circumvent a tried-and-true method????? 🤨
Anyone with any sense would feel pride in the fact that their submersible could be classed and certified.
I can't believe that Ocean Gate convinced people that there was no existing way to test it's pressure hulls and it was ok to take it down to depth with any living thing on board was a good idea and that taking it only to depth was enough when 1.5 times it's operating depth is the standard for testing for a safety factor. Stockton just didn't want to pay for it plain and simple.
Culture of safety he says.. Is not the making the hull from 5 inch instead of 7-10 a clear rulebraking, Ocean Gate spat on Cltire of safety-
092124 - I just began listening to this testimony from Friday, Sept 20, 2024. The title, "Mission Specialist" means NOTHING. This is quite disappointing to me. I heard from Thursday's testimony near the end that a Mission Specialist can be ANY age. This truly surprises me to my core. I heard how the "Mission Specialist" were "racing" to see how fast they could compete to install and remove the dome bolts. I could not do this. My ties to the military profoundly push for structure, timeliness and proper procedures. The Mission Specialists paid hand over fist to do "Grunt" work. (Shaking my head) 🤔
Four bolts out of 18? How insane. To test a theory? There was a commercial airline where the pilots decided to "test a theory" about the RPM controls and control loop of a jetliner and they pulled the fuses for the RPM indicator for an engine. The engine went into overspeed, had an uncontained failure, a fan blade penetrated a window an a passenger was pulled out and fell to his death over Soccoro NM where his body was found much later by a farmer.
Whaaa...?
When was that? What airline and what aircraft? Also, were those two pilots prosecuted and sentenced?
“Prevailed upon” Hmmm…I would have explored the intent behind that phrase.
I know Mr Lahey is blowing his own trumpet but he deserves to as Stockton has damaged the whole industry. I like this dude actually.
The way the APL guy talks about his FEA work doesn't inspire much confidence, ngl.
😂 got em @1:22:14, the Canadian Maritime Masking Enforcers, they know 😮
So because he had the money to pay to be a mission specialist, he felt it appropriate to circumvent Canadian Covid protocols and lie. Meanwhile Canadians were having zoom funerals.
Brilliant witness at 40 mins
Ok, what condition did the witness arrive in that prompted the recess?
I'm genuinely baffled trying to think of who could've boarded the first witness's ship armed that heavily. Automatic rifles (like AR-15s) are illegal in Canada so he must've gotten that wrong, unless it was pirates or something (which I doubt, the harbourfront is gated off, and entry to the harbour itself is very well controlled). Like, I live in St. John's, there is not a heavy military presence here, although there is a base on the harbour, so I guess it could be that?
Cartel likes to use small underwater submersibles to transport drugs. Wouldn’t be surprised if they thought they were transporting drugs around
Could it have been DFO? They carry guns.
@@denatured_protein ohhh yeah, that's totally plausible; I've never seen their officers so I didn't consider that
The Coast Guard is going to be paid whether there is a hearing or not. Also, the rescue attempt was a prime recruiting moment.
0:00:00 starts at 0:29:20
Our navigation system, Microsoft excel
4:58:16 Same was in Titan to. You did not need any battery power for air or coming up to the surface. Even if anyone in Titan was unconscious the sub would come up. Titat was also redundant in such a situation. If the skids got stuck or the ballast couln'd be thrown off, you could throw off the entire frame and still surface. Titan had also an air blatter outside the hull for rendundancy. You could do all this without battery power btw. So this was also considered at Ocean Gate.
Thank you, Ocean Gate.
Well.. Russian roulette can also be exhiliarating but high risk. Maybe he start a new exploration industry.
1:25:20 - 1:36:45
GO!....Antonella Wilby!!!!!!!She's very good!,,,,,I would trust her in my company. David Attenborough 'Mariana Trench... goto 5 minutes'
591 Dach Port
Wait. Did the first guy said ... they where STUCK in the Titanic?
Donenme para la expedición al naufragio del Titanic como le regalaron a Alan Estrada
Way too quiet on these recordings.
Wearing headphones help! When I was listening through just my phone speakers, I had the volume the whole up the whole time, but I do have an auditory processing disorder and I’m invested in this so I really want to hear it over all the other noises I pick up on 🥲
2:54:10 - 3:06:14
the numbers of breaks in these hearings is staggering ...
@@davidshelton1898 ... oh well, having watched a number of trials, there are basically 2 breaks. one mid morning, the other mid afternoon ... besides lunch. And that's it.
Not one every 20 minutes.
:)
Here from watching trials regularly and I am in full agreement. It’s not a trial and obviously they can do as they please, but it is absolutely jarring when compared to how trials are run.
CNN: Transparent tourist submarine launches at Vietnam resort
😲😲😱😱 I don't know. Triton guy sounds like he has his stuff together but this still looks scary. lol. On the other hand, acrylic domes have gone very deep but I'll need to think about it. How does this compare to transparent aluminum btw?
Ask Scotty
I don't know, but I bet transparent acrylic is much better than transparent carbon fiber.