The problem is with assuming "how we understand homosexuality today" - as if any traditional understanding is anachronistic. This implicitly takes for granted that we are making real progress in understanding homosexuality. I wholeheartedly disagree that we have somehow gotten better at understanding this sinful behavior.
There is also this bizarre conflation going on between same-sex acts and "progress" as if giving into base physical desires without thinking is somehow the modern thing to do. It's a weird rejection of the reality that controlling one's body is the modern concept and simply giving into whatever feels good without thinking of the consequences or logical reasons not to is what humans were much more likely to do in ancient times.
Great video! "People will argue, “we know more about homosexuality now than we did then” maybe so. But are you then suggesting God knew less than we do now? For either all Scripture is God-breathed, or it isn’t. Either we believe Christ, or we don’t." -Fr. Calvin Robinson
Fr Casey is the prime example of post councillor mish mash of belief ....confusion and error has been the norm for 50 years and the clear unequivocal teaching of the previous 1700 years has been trumped by 'pastorally sensitive guidance '.....
@@littlerock5256 While I blame the "Spirit of the Council" for this it is important to remember Pope Paul VI did very good job in combating heresies in morality. I also think it is notworthy the "Spirit of the Council" is very similar to the "Spirit" of mainline liberal protestant denominations, although the Doctrines remained very different the Zeitgeist is worryingly similar.
As a Catholic who struggles, and battles, and wrestles with my homosexuality, my sin and my shame, its hard sometimes to hear the harshness of some of these words. But i must remember, it is not harshness, but the word of God. Thank you for your videos... i hope one day i can find the peace i so desperately crave
The best way I have heard it. In the context of the red text argument, “But Jesus never said that.” “The messiah had more important issues to address rather than rehash an already settled issue that was not in dispute in the antique near east.”
My response to the "Jesus never said that" argument would be to ask that person to read the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:4-9, and Mark 10:3-12. Then I would ask them if they could gleam anything from those words in favor of anything outside of marriage between a man and a woman.
well first destroy any pretext of red text argument using the red text "It is right for us to meet all the Law's demands - let it be so now" "The scripture says" "I assure you that, while Heaven and earth last, the Law will not lose a single dot or comma until its purpose is complete." and then use Matthew 19:4-6 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,' and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.""
Sure, that would be an argument. But someone could simply say “but He was talking about divorce, not homossexual acts!” This is why I’d strengthen this argument with the passages quoted above *after* having already discussed Leviticus and Romans in that order. Old Testament, then New so we establish that the moral Law hasn’t changed. Then discuss the Greek terms for men-bedders and effeminates, THEN finish with the Gospel of Mark and Matthew.
Yep, just like the issue of being allowed to beat one's slaves as long as they don't die in a day or two in Exodus 21:20-21 it was settled and Jesus agreed with it.
Some will argue if God condemns homosexuality then why did he make it pleasurable, meaning why is it pleasurable for both partners. Horrible argument! The same argument could be made for drugs and a host of other sins. "Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God." Pleasure becomes idolatrous.
He built a following teaching solid doctrine first, but in topics that weren't important or didn't contradict (in a superficial level) the views of his progressive agenda. Now that he's amassed a good enough following he's showing his true rainbow colors and leading as many people astray as he can. And I'm sure he thinks wholeheartedly that he's doing good by modernizing the Church, not as some evil plan, but it's still evil.
Casey follows the same strategy as Fernandez with regard to traditional Catholicism: (1) state agreement with the teaching; (2) undermine and hollow out the teaching of any practical meaning. If someone criticizes (2), just point to (1).
Trent Horn's rebuttals always personify 1 Peter 3:15 which says, "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect".
@@majkomira he’s not praying the rosary doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe in it… he just have other preference on how to pray… do you pray the rosary everyday?
I’ve seen a few videos recently of UA-camrs covering other people. You are among the few that don’t mock and ridicule the other person in the video. Keep up the quality and respectfulness!
Even though I am an evangelical Protestant I enjoyed listening to Michael Voris on Church Militant. He had no use for people like me but his condemnation of liberals was good. It is sad that he fell into sin.
Everyone does clickbait to some degree. Pope Francis, God bless him, got it in spades in the past on many conservative videos. It's shameful but they want the "clicks" and views
G.K. Chesterton wrote an excellent essay called _About Shamelessness._ In the essay Chesterton describes what he believes to be the real underlying problem with modern-day hedonism. The issue is not just the sexual perversions themselves, but the complete lack of shame and disgust regarding them. People in the past did these things, but they never wanted people to know about it. They understood it was wrong. The last thing on earth they would do is take pride in their perversion; or proudly proclaim it as some kind of "identity". Chesterton (correctly I believe) links this degradation of shame and disgust to moral relativism. I strongly recommend this essay.
So people are less homophobic and ur mad about it? U can intellectualize it all u want but ur just trying to justify ur base prejudices. Should wr also return to the days where we looked at black ppl and race mixing with disgust? The author u mention was also deeply antisemitic. Seems like theres a pattern here of trying to intellectually justify bigotry. And btw, there’s nothing inherently hedonistic about homosexuality. Its not as if all homosexuals are primarily straight but have gay sex when they are bored with straight sex . Lmao
@@RationalistMH "Its not as if all homosexuals are primarily straight but have gay sex when they are bored with straight sex." Kleptomaniacs and Pyromaniacs may indeed be "born that way". That doesn't make what they do correct. And, no, I'm not making a comparison. I'm simply saying that being born with a desire to do something does not automatically make it right. If that were the case, "I was born this way" could be used to justify anything. There may be a genetic influence on all our behaviors. Race mixing was considered immoral. I'm not sure if it was considered disgusting. It was not unusual to find white women having affairs with black men. Our sense of disgust is very different. People feel disgust when somebody does something bizarre or irrational. For example, if I'm walking down the street and a guy grabs a woman's purse, I would get angry because it's an immoral act. But suppose that guy, instead of grabbing the purse, picked a large spider off the ground and started to eat it. That may not actually be immoral per se. Maybe the guy is starving. I wouldn't feel anger towards that person, but it would trigger my sense of disgust. I should have made this distinction in my original post.
root of woke movement is secular humanism, and root of secular humanism is gnostics. and gnostics are sworn enemy to catholic church . this is satanic mind, he mix 99% truth with 1% deadly poison.
@@TheCounselofTrentThe mystery is why more people can't see that it is calling a sin an identity is the central blasphemy here and double bind. The consequence being you can't criticise an identity in an identitarian age, it's a "secular blasphemy" Until 100+ years ago it was universally either a dominance ritual or a fetish for the rich jaded semi potent. This is true for most of the world, still, All the 53 African countries, not bowing under inhuman pressure, are doing all our work, again, and paying a financial price for their integrity.
Satan tempted Jesus by quoting scripture. Even demons are compelled to acknowledge the authority of God. *Not necessarily saying these people are under demonic influence.
@@veronica_._._._ The church used to have a problem with left-handed children. To the extent that they were punished and forced to used their right hands. They got over that. Forcing homosexual people to either: try and live a heterosexual lifestyle, or force them to be celibate is akin to this.
@@littlerock5256 There have always been bad priests and there always will be. Only you can decide if you will let that disturb your peace. Judas disrupted the unity of the Apostles, and which Apostle left Christ because of Judas?
@@aretrograde7745 A bad priest is one who is personally sinful; distorting the faith is a whole other level of evil. Cole has had a channel for some time now. Other commenters expressed concern over other things he has said. This isn't a one off. Laymen correcting priests publicly is a bad look, at the very least. Cole's bishop should be dealing with this. As Cole's comments were public, the bishop's correction could and should also be public.
True, how could God be love if those sodomites don't have to run around on burning sand with fire raining down on them from the sky for eternity (a la Dante). Where is God's justice if their skin is not seared off for a quadrillion years.
I have subscribed to Fr. Casey for a long time. I have found the way he covers some topics as not biblical. I noticed Fr. Casey turned comments off on his video. You left your comments on. Bravo. You gave a lot of clarity.
I believed he left his comments on in one of his videos covering homosexuality in the Bible. He had replied to someone in the comments to help them understand his conclusion which was "Homosexuality isn't sinful. But homosexual acts are." He's practically admitting homosexuality is sinful but he doesn't want to bring any harming feeling against homosexuals.
I think a certain amount of blame here needs to be placed not simply on Father Casey, but on his Franciscan formators and superiors for peddling these arguments. Father Casey isn’t some self-taught pseudo-scholar; at some point, his Franciscan seminary instructors and formators solidified these positions and supporting arguments in Father Casey, which of course get turned into these videos. It’s like when he did that ridiculous “prison workers are actually chattel slaves” video, I was thinking to myself “this is absolutely a stereotypical modern Franciscan/Jesuit take, someone in the order had to lay this out at one point and Casey gravitated to it.”
Yes but Father Casey is not a mere puppet, he has a brain of his own. If he can't wrap his head around the fact that the bible is unambiguous on its views of homosexuality then he is not bright enough to do his job.
definitely agree with these thoughts. Someone needs to reform that seminary for "educating" this young man with such non-orthodox ideas. He is really a master at sowing seeds of confusion.
@@timcooper1321 Seminaries are closing. I think Ireland is down to 1. Suggestion is for the US to have 5. Cardinal Dolan: The Catholic Church has too many seminaries. "Some thoughtful observers have proposed we consider regional major seminaries, one for each of four or five geographic areas in the U.S. church."
@@rl7012 It's true that he's not a puppet, whenever he talks about his influences outside of Catholicism he always mentions far left atheists and he has defended liberation theology which is heresy. People gravitate to what they like.
Um.. yes? We have an entire field of science from biology to genetics to psychology to sexology that has made tremendous progress in the understanding of human sexuality. Similarly, we also know a lot more about sex differences whereas up until some centuries ago women were understood to be mentally inferior to men and thus unsuitable for public life, hence the Bible's pronouncements on women having to 'submit' to their husbands and all that.
The problem my friend, is that Paul is not only condemning the men and women who participate in acts of homosexuality, but he also explains why these people have fallen into this sin: In his opinion, homosexuality is the consequence of idolatry. "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." (Romans 1:22) It is a path downwards: Idolatry leads to homosexuality, homosexuality to deprivation of the mind, and deprivation of the mind to malice of every kind. This is expressed in Romans 1. Is there any person in the Catholic Church today, from the Pope down to the last Catholic who really believes that homosexuality is born out of idolatry? Do you? Can any of you find any other reference in the Bible to the contrary? You all know that Paul's understanding is extremely limited, yet you have to defend his views since you believe the Bible to be inerrant (at least in the New Testament). Yet, a homosexual may be born even in the most pious Catholic family and you can't address this problem with Paul's cannonades
No one is born a homosexual. People are being infected with chemicals and by being abused, and brainwashed by judaeo-media (movies, tv, etc.) - it's a sin, it's not a personality, but people are accepting it, which is also a sin. No one is saying they identify as a fornicator, but don't fornicate so it's acceptable - because we'll all know the identifying as the sin and partaking in the action of the sin are both morally wrong.
@@littlerock5256 Lord please have mercy i'm not sure about Pope Francis, but somebody in the Vatican clearly likes fr James Martin, the spiritual, pervert
Remember when Fr Casey Cole stacked his ordination mass with women because his sister told him the Catholic Church was sexist? Just putting that out there.
Homosexuality is not a sin because it is NOT a choice. We were born that way. It's acting upon the urges that is sinful. And that makes us the LGB no different from everyone who struggles with lust. Fr. Casey did made that distinction. Stop picking on us!
Father Casey's video style is very similar to Buzzfeed and other left-wing outlets that try to promote deconstructionism and give it a positive feel by creating ambiguity.
That's what it reminds me of! Buzzfeed and that ilk! I couldn't put my finger on it but they always gave me that sense of familiarity but I couldn't quite pin it down.
He claims Johnny Harris is one of his favorite UA-camrs, I'm not surprised he would emulate the style and content. Harris is a former mormon turned Marxist atheist
Especially since the Catechism makes it pretty clear what th teaching of the Church is. This and the fact is that homosexuality has proved to be such a bad thing for the Church, Yet they have the likes of Father Martin running around minimizing the sinfulness of it, and how it undermines Christian morality as a whole.
Same here! I stopped watching him like 3 years ago, he started acting weird and putting out "gotcha" videos and saying weird stuff. And I sensed this dude is off his tracks! I didn't have time for his antics.
@@marcokite I don’t think he hates the church. I think he’s lost his way. We must pray for all priests especially the ones that have lost their way. I think he has a good heart just bad theology.
I've watched a bit of Fr Casey's content and always get the distinct impression he years to promote strong progressive ideals (which conflict with Catholicism). His video "Abortion isn't THAT big of a deal" comes to mind.
That take on the passage in Romans is very confusing. So some beleive that God is against straight people having homosexual encounters, but as long as you are a true homosexual then it is okay? It has to be the funniest argument I have ever heard. Great video!
And what's funnier is that this doesn't support their argument at all. Like if God is mad when a man leaves his woman for another man then wouldn't he also be mad if a man and man were together I don't get it😂
I'm an Orthodox Christian and I have to say Trent did a great job defending our common faith ground here. Give credit where credit is due. I believe Fr. Cole knows perfectly well what he's doing and is subverting Scripture by poking holes in its interpretation by the Church and getting a foot in the door for future "developments" (the plan B mentioned). We are all in a spiritual battle and must defend the true faith.
I'm with you on Fr. Cole knowing exactly what he's doing, yeah. If it's one thing I wish, its that my fellow Catholics would get on the ball about this because too many of them seem to have trouble wrapping their brains around the whole subversion thing calling those of us who talk about it, "rad trads". And I get it, its beyond a lot of people to grasp just why anyone would do this, never mind how. Because we're all genuinely good people who'd never consider deconstructing anything out of spite or some sadistic desire to cause pain. Its hard to think that there are a bunch of people out there who vow to do exactly that - it still comes hard to me and I've been engaging in this culture war for over a decade, it still breaks my heart to think about this stuff. I wish I didn't know half of what I know. But yeah, people need to wise up, although to be fair I think a lot of them are beginning to come around now. Thank you brother (or sister), and God bless you. 🙏
Exactly sir. Fr Cole knows what he is doing and it clearly goes hand in hand with the very sly and beat around the bushy way the Catholic higher ups are leading people into believing doctrines of devils.
At the end of the video, Fr. Casey says: "Casting out people simply for how they were CREATED... (dramatic pause)... couldn't be further from the teaching of the Bible" He obviously scripted the video and put emphasis on that part on purpose. He probably does have an agenda, but not the courage to be sincere about it.
@@justsomevids4541 The subversion of the Church for the purpose of coercing the masses to live contrary to the teachings of Christ the Savior is malicious acta non verba, and Trent Horn lays out the evidence in his videos quite succinctly. Pax vobiscum.
This is why Tradition exists. It prevents us from falling into the trap of thinking we “know better than those who came before” or that “this time is different”.
@@DavGre It seems as if many conflicting traditions and laws have that as their stated purpose, though - e.g. when and how to observe the Sabbath, what kinds of food/drinks are acceptable, or when and how it’s appropriate to end a marriage.
Agreed. Let’s return to the tradition of slavery. It was good enough for the Old Testament, it was good enough for the New Testament, it had the approval of the Popes and Church Fathers and stood for thousands of years. Stick with tradition!
I think you unknowingly make a good point, the real authority is tradition, the bible is just there to justify it. Few hundred years ago, the bible was used to justify slavery, because that was tradition, until it stopped, so people are now reinterpreting the bible as anti-slavery.
@@blindflames227No, it has what seem to be contradictions. But, when reading scripture fairly we can see how it is cohesive not contradictory. God bless.
@@blindflames227 The Bible is infallible in terms of morals and faith, but not on terms of historical records. However, most people say the guiding on morals and faith are contradictory, but they are not. You need to read it as a whole and understanding how they connect and clarify each other. There is only one Truth!
@@TheCounselofTrent That's pretty sad when goodwill protestants like Pastor Gavin Ortlund is willing to have a civil sit down discussion (plus do really civil debates), but a fellow Catholic friar is not. It seems you're more in line w/ a lot of protestant Christians in this this matter of the homosexual agenda. Catholic unity isn't as simple as being united under a pope. God bless, you have my continued prayers and support.
@@TheCounselofTrent: On quite another note, I think it’s useful to listen to Fr. Chad Ripperger, a psychologist and exorcist who talks in his online seminaries about the sources of the vice in question and even mentions the names of the demon who tempts men (men have one such) and two separate demons who tempt women (women have two). His conferences are available on youtube. So much for the “natural” provenance of this vice. God bless you and your family🕊️
Sadly...and I really, really don't like saying this, but I find Father Casey wrong about more and more. I don't know what's happening there, but I am genuinely concerned for him. He could be doing quite a lot of damage to people's spiritual life and Soul.
We have to pray for him, he probably genuinely thinks he's doing good by "updating" God's teaching. Still, he knows exactly what he's doing by undermining little by little the eternal right doctrine. He's pushing heresies in small doses so he doesn't lose viewers in great numbers.
I'm unsure why Fr. Casey keeps creating content that's purposely ambiguous and against patristics and Catholic teaching. He wants to play both sides. It's not possible. Cite the teachings of the Catholic Church, and stop citing "modern scholars". If it was up to these "scholars", the entire New Testament would be anonymous and the 2000 years of Christ's Church would collapse.
Yeah as soon as I watched a video of him comparing people who don’t want myocarditis to people who are for baby unalive I realized there’s something off too
yeah and i know a lot of friends that simply wrote off the OFMs when discerning religious life because of these two, they aren't doing their communities any favors
It's worth noting that the basis for condemnation of Sodom and Gomorrah was not mutually exclusive; to reason that because it was about oppression that it therefore wasn't about sexual immorality is to engage dishonestly with the text of Scripture.
“Greed and injustice” when they literally were trying to sodomize angels because they were so sexually depraved. This is like saying the problem with strip clubs is that they have profits.
Jesus said that if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Sin is not only in the act but from within us!
I think of this Bible verse regarding "Well, actually's"...where I think the first envious deconstructionist was the devil with his first words: Genesis 3:1 "Now the snake was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the Lord God had made. He asked the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden?”"
@@EpoRose1 Well AkShUeLLy, *squirts saliva everywhere while unintentionally playing the "Do you like Seafood joke* I was making a distinct point about...lol Thanks!
A talking snake? And the snake is "the devil"? What?! A snake that is a "deconstructionist"? And what does a deconstructionist need to be "envious" about? What do you even mean? You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE. You're WRONG THEOLOGICALLY AND HISTORICALLY! And you call yourself a christian??? Lol!
There was ALWAYS a power differential between ancient homosexual partners? Scripture actually has an answer to this claim too: "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 1:9
Marxists see everything in terms of power. However this vice is about emotionsl erotic pleasure and narcissism and simply trade offs of I will give you this if you give me that etc. Ultimately its the means to get the ends but the ends is a perverse approximation of what nature, healthy instinct emotions and attachment are ordered to which is family and procreation. Heterosexuality is the norm or we would not exist.
I had to look up the definition of "power differential", I thought that was a mechanical part on a car axle. 😆 These modernist types are a weird bunch of people.
And a generational difference (Bearded/beardless) It was was never a category identity either, the victim would carry all the shame (catamite, ingle...) and the aggressors would feel hypermasculine, having divided up the world of carnal opportunity into 1) adult bearded male 2) "objects" that can be used as if female. Anthropology 101.
I saw Fr.Casey's video right after I had watched your video on the homosexuality documentary. Honestly, I felt upset and confused about what Fr.Casey told. I knew that he was wrong, but I also knew that you will make a video on that so I kept silent. Thank God I was not wrong.
Why dont you go to a protestant website? I am sick of protestants putting their two cents into catholic matters. Read Hillaire Bellocs book, The "Great Heresies". You are a Heretic of the catholic church. When I was a kid we were not even allowed to talk to protestants. And until around 60 years ago the churches official teaching on protestants is that you will not be saved. I think that may be true, because protestants mock the Blessed Mother, (Jesus' Mother) and Dont believe in the Holy Eucharist. How is thinking like that going to get you saved? First you tell Jesus you hate His mother, and then you tell Him (Jesus) that He is a liar by not believing that His Body Soul and Divinity is the Holy Eucharist. Read John 6:53 again. He never said it was a symbol.
I am a Protestant who has done volunteer work at two missions. We give food and clothing to poor and homeless people. Of course, we preach the gospel. Many of the people we help are Roman Catholics. Sometimes we win a person to Christ. I do not think that Roman Catholics have to worry about our mission work. Any "Roman Catholic" we win to Christ was not much of a Catholic anyways. They may have been born into a Catholic family and baptised Catholic but they have not been practicing Catholics for years. You know what Catholics say. Poor Catholics become Protestants and good Protestants become Catholic.
You have a plank in your eye if you are protestant and reject the Holy Eucharist. Jesus never said it was a symbol. You dont know what you are talking about. Reread St Johns gospel 6:53, or read it for the first time.
People are not rejecting the Bible's teaching. People are being honest about what is there and the bad interpretation of the church. The church has taught many things and had many doctrines that are flat out wrong. You talk about bias translation and you are full of it!
Keep up the great work, Trent! I am an Anglican and regularly come to your videos to receive a strong, thoughtful Catholic take on issues. Even where we disagree, I appreciate the steelman to challenge my viewpoints rather than just trying to find Catholic strawmen that do not align with the historical church's teaching. May God bless you and your ministry in finding true faith in Him.
Homosexuality is a natural healthy born sexual orientation with an evolutiionary meaning. How shall homosexuals still take Christians for serious when they follow a man-made claim in the Bible and call it an abomination or a seduction of their satan?
I'm the same, it's fascinating to watch this huge boom of catholic thought and a kind of revival happening. Given that so little theology is seriously debated in our church today or even by parishioners it's healthy to have exposure to both sides of the debates in an intellectually honest way with integrity and civility.
First point, at 1:30, the catechism also refers to homosexual acts, making Father Casey right. There is no disagreement, just a lack of defining the term "homosexuality." Fr. Casey seems to use it as a characteristic intrinsic to the person. And yes, we do need someone to remind us the difference between condemning acts and condemning people apart from their acts. To use alcohoism properly, as anyone in AA can tell you, a person with alcoholism may never touch another drink, yet still have alcoholism. FYI, another way to see homosexuality a part of society, as in, "homosexuality in America." This is a third issue.
@littlerock5256 Assuming his Bishop knows? The channel never goes full-on heresy, at least from what I've seen. And there may have been private corrections that we don't know about. Remember, the principle here is that going public is the last step in correcting a brother.
@@aaronvt9980 A public error needs to be publicly corrected. Horn is stepping in to do it when it is really the job of the bishop. Are you suggesting that Horn contacted Cole directly, as well as Cole's bishop, and that was not sufficient, necessitating Horn going public?
@@littlerock5256 Two different things. Trent is rebutting an argument. A bishop would be chastising the brother, which should be done privately, at least the first time. Far more likely, the bishop has no idea the brother even has a UA-cam channel.
The good news is that God can free all homosexuals from a life of perversion. They just have to have humble hearts, and want to allow the Holy Spirit to redirect their lives.
Oh, I imagine many folks enjoy their life of perversion. I live with a married women who is gorgeous and kind. Don't knock perversion. And I am as loved by God as yourself.
@@stevensonrf I assume you you realise that heterosexual sex is also sinful: except in narrow confines of married couple having sex for procreation. That includes having sex using contraception device is sinful.
if anyone believes that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is correct and yet makes ANY argument that might lead people to believe otherwise, that person is committing a grave evil by leading souls astray. so the question is, what is Fr. Casey's motivation and goal here?
he claims to be playing devil's advocate, in the hope that people will stop using weak arguments and switch to stronger ones. That would be a very good thing to do, if he were doing it. The problem is that he is doing the opposite, as Trent points out. Not sure if he is doing this intentionally and using "devils advocate" as cover for actually undermining the traditional teaching.
It is not the first time Fr Casey has done this. He's had other not-so-shining moments such as when he quoted Marx in a positive light or when he taught universalism. This is not one slip-up, it's a pattern of behaviour. He does seem to be intentionally subversive to the faith and it is dangerous because his channel is made to appeal to younger Catholics.
@@john_from_eastcoast. Funny how a lot of Christians here think they are the ones on the narrow path, and no one else is, that they tell everyone else how to think.
Thank you for this response. It saddens me that Fr. Casey could be so effective at reaching younger Catholics, but instead seems to be (hopefully inadvertently) sowing more confusion at a time clarity is desperately needed.
He and his other channel, upon Friar Review are also good at building bridges w/ protestant Christians, and I even see a lot of comments from atheists that like that channel too. I'm a non Catholic Christian that was enjoying the channel, but I'm really disappointed w/ this softness and subversive teaching towards homosexuality and sexual sin in general. There are many of us wanting to raise a holy standard against all manner of sin. The subversion is in all the churches, and tragically, those w/ large public platforms and ordinations can peddle their subversive wares to the weak in faith, and those thinking of coming into Christianity.
I have enjoyed Fr Casey's content but after a while I realized what he is doing. He says he follows Chirch teaching but then will subtly undermine the faith once for all delivered to the saints yet not in a way where he can be caught out
Dear Fr. Casey Cole, OFM. I watched your video entitled “What The Bible Says (and doesn’t say) About Homosexuality.” Please allow me to make a number of observations. Firstly, I believe your remarks unfortunately are erroneous with respect to the topic of homosexuality, as Holy Scripture, Church Teaching, and the Early Fathers are all in agreement against your arguments. Since you have blocked comments on the video in question (due to perceived “sinful” behavior), I thought this forum would be the best place to interact with you. HOLY SCRIPTURE: As to the pertinent Scriptural references we can easily consider the following: I Corinthians 6:9: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND,” In Greek the text is: “ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν; μὴ πλανᾶσθε· οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται - Reference to ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoítēs, ar-sen-ok-oy’-tace; a sodomite:-abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. ἀρσενοκοίτης, -ου, ὁ, (ἄρσην a male; κοίτη a bed), one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite: 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10. (Anthol. 9, 686, 5; ecclesiastical writings.) … EFFEMINATE/Of A Male Who Submits His Body To Unnatural Lewdness/Homosexual, (μαλακοὶ/μαλακός/malakos). Malakoi, root malakos, nominative plural masculine, English-Effeminate. {see also Gen 19:5; Lev 18:22; Lev 20:13; Deu 22:5; Deu 23:17; Jdg 19:22; Rom 1:26,27; 1Ti 1:10}. For an in-depth analysis of these texts, along with other issues please consult: The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics, by Robert A. J. Gagnon CHURCH TEACHING: *Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357-2359 & Glossary, page 882 *Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination: Guidelines for Pastoral Care *TEACHING OF THE CHURCH FATHERS: As for the teaching of the fathers please refer to: Encyclopedia of Early Christianity, edited by Everett Ferguson, Michael P. McHugh, & Frederick W. Norris, American Society of Church History and The North American Patristic Society: Pages 434-436 - “The Church Fathers universally condemned male homosexual behavior. In a standard triad of sexual sins that includes adultery and fornication, arsenokoitia (same root as Paul’s term) appears interchangeably with paidophthoria (“perversion of boys”; e.g., Did. 2.2; Theophilus, Autol. 1.2, 14; Origen, Comm in Mt 14.10). Although the Levitical prohibition was not frequently cited (but cf. Tertullian, Marc. 1.29.4; Origen, Comm in Rom. 4.4; Eusebius, D.E., 1.6.67; 4.10.6; P.E 13.20.7; Const. app. 6.28.; 7.2), no evidence suggests that it was felt to be no longer binding or to condemn only ceremonial uncleanness. Many fathers emphasized the homosexual lust of the Sodomites (e.g., Methodius, Synp. 5.5; John Chrysostom, Hom. In Gen 43.4; Macarius, Hom. 4.22; Augustine, Conf. 3.8.15; Gregory the Great, Moral, 14.19). Some criticized other aspects of their depravity, but no patristic source excludes a homosexual interpretation of their conduct. Stoic influence reinforced Paul’s portrayal of homosexuality as unnatural, and early Christian writers regularly characterized it in these terms (Tertullian, Coron. 6; Clement of Alexandria, Paed. 2.8ff; Lactanitus, Div. Inst, 6.23; Ambrose, De Ambrahamo 1.6.52; Cyril of Alexandria, Ador 1). The Inevitable Apostasy and the Promised Restoration, Deseret Books, 2006, by Tad R. Callister, Page 212: “From the earliest of times homosexuality has been condemned of the Lord. One of the reasons Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by fire was because homosexuality was so prevalent among its citizens (Gen. 19:5‑9; Jude 1:7). [page 213] “ …The command against homosexuality was clearly continued in the New Testament church (Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10 …” Page 214: “There is no suggestion, no intimation, no crack in the door that would offer any possibility, any proof that homosexuality was ever approved by the Lord. The evidence of its condemnation, as voiced by the early Church leaders, is staggering. Page 215: … “With uniformity the early Church leaders condemned homosexuality and any conduct associated with it … page 283: “Abortion and homosexuality were common practices in the Roman culture, but were strictly abhorred by the early Church.”
We need a full investigation at how these men are taught in seminaries today. Clearly there is a disconnect between the magisterium and the curriculum taught to candidates for priesthood.
The easier way to bypass this entire argument is to simply argue that adultery is immoral. 1. Marriage is between one man and one woman, and open to procreation. (Mark 10:5-9) 2. Adultery is any sexual act outside of the context of a marriage. (Hebrews 13:4) 3. Homosexual acts are adultery. (1 Corinthians 7:2) 4. Adultery is immoral. (Exodus 20:14) 5. Therefore, homosexual acts are immoral. An addendum would also include: A1: Lust, a thought which leads to adultery, is immoral. (Matthew 5:28) A2: Homosexual lust leads to adultery. (1 Corinthians 7:2) A2: Therefore, homosexual lust is immoral. Also the all-white background makes it look like you are recording this video from Heaven. 🤣
Good. Now i hope you realize no gay person gives a f. They know damn well you use your fictional book to hate them so thankfully they know to stay away from your cult. So your condemnations are falling into the void. And with society increasingly not giving a f either, your words will have less and less impact
To me it's very simple: Being a homosexual (attracted to the same sex) is not sinful but the act of homosexuality (the act of having relations with the same sex) is sinful.
Are our thoughts sinful❓ 🕊️“No thought escapes him, and not one word is hidden from him.” Sirach 42:20 🕊️“The Lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.” Genesis 6:5 🕊️“For perverse thoughts separate men from God, and when his power is tested, it convicts the foolish.” Wisdom of Solomon 1:3 🕊️“This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.” Colossians 1:21 🕊️“But I will be merciful only if you stop your evil thoughts and deeds and start treating each other with justice;” Jeremiah 7:5 🕊️“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive your evil thoughts,” Acts of the Apostles 8:22 🕊️“For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.” Hebrews 4:12 🕊️“As a result, the deepest thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your very soul.” Luke 2:35 🕊️“As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.” 1 Corinthians 14:25 🕊️“They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.” Romans 2:15 🕊️“For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.” Mark 7:21-23 🕊️“Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.” Isaiah 55:7 🕊️“Since you have heard about Jesus and have learned the truth that comes from him, throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes.” Ephesians 4:21-23 🕊️“And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.” Philippians 4:8 Not only is the thought of that attraction sinful but so is the act. This is why prayer and repentance is important.
🚨Ten reasons why matrimony itself proves that being a homosexual is in fact a sin⬇️ 1️⃣What did our Father say in reference to matrimony❓ 🕊️”Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24 2️⃣Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on matrimony❓ 🕊️”He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Matthew 19:4-5 3️⃣Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on matrimony❓ 🕊️“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” Ephesians 5:31 4️⃣Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s immorality❓ 🔥”And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5️⃣Do the works of the flesh pertain to immorality❓ 🔥“Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness,” Galatians 5:19 6️⃣How does immorality pertain to sex specifically❓ 🕊️“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathens who do not know God;” 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 7️⃣Why should we avoid immorality❓ 🔥”Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 8️⃣Under what condition is immorality permitted❓ 🕊️”But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 9️⃣Is immorality outside of matrimony idolatry❓ 🔥”Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.” Colossians 3:5 🔟Were we warned about certain people who would gain admission to our Father’s church and pervert the grace of our Father into licentiousness❓ 🔥“Beloved, being very eager to write to you of our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the deepest darkness until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.” Jude 1:3-8‼️ In conclusion to homosexuality, not only can we conclude that our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles clarify matrimony between heterosexuals but further stated that immorality was only permitted through heterosexual matrimony. If immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, immorality & matrimony between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. This is why the wolves focus so much on either the word homosexual or the act itself instead of matrimony‼️ Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less⁉️ The wolves within the church are flourishing because people refuse to read our Father’s words for themselves❗️ 🕊️”Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?” Mark 12:24‼️ If this “priest” was truly one of our Father’s shepherds then he would have focused on matrimony alone and on his words instead of creating doubt & speculation‼️ 🕊️”Listen to me, my son, and acquire knowledge, and pay close attention to my words.” Sirach 16:24❗️ 🕊️”All the words of my mouth are righteous; there is nothing twisted or crooked in them. They are all straight to him who understands and right to those who find knowledge.” Proverbs 8:8-9❗️ 🕊️”Reflect on the statutes of the Lord, and meditate at all times on his commandments. It is he who will give insight to your mind, and your desire for wisdom will be granted.” Sirach 6:37❗️ 🕊️”My son, be attentive to my wisdom, incline your ear to my understanding; that you may keep discretion, and your lips may guard knowledge.” Proverbs 5:1-2❗️ 🕊️”Listen, my son, and accept my judgment; do not reject my counsel.” Sirach 6:23❗️ 🔥“But if they had stood in my council, then they would have proclaimed my words to my people, and they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.” Jeremiah 23:22❗️ 🔥”My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. The more they increased, the more they sinned against me; I will change their glory into shame. They feed on the sin of my people; they are greedy for their iniquity.” Hosea 4:6-8❗️ We are all created in God’s image but we are not all God’s children as stated directly by Jesus⬇️ 🔥”He answered, “He who sows the good seed is the Son of man; the field is the world, and the good seed means the sons of the kingdom; the weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels.” Matthew 13:37-39❗️ And even though Jesus welcomed everyone, he did not accept everyone as stated in⬇️ 🔥“Woe to you, Chorazin! woe to you, Beth-saida! for if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable in the judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. And you, Caperna-um, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades. - Luke 10:13-15❗️ Christian must learn to distinguish between judging someone and rebuking them, to distinguish between welcoming them and accepting them because the example we are called to follow is Jesus❗️
I was following Fr. Casey until he came out with his video stating that Abortion is not that important, ceased following him and his heretical views immediately. He is a master of confusion and "new theology". He appears to have been poorly educated and is willing to share his unusual thoughts.
@@Darkforest138 Slavery > death I'd elaborate, but youtube doesn't like comments to be for argumentation and actual commenting, it's for marketing, now.
@@Darkforest138 losing freedom is better than losing your life. I can't even properly argue with you, despite how wrong you are, because the terms are shadowbanned. So much for an "open forum." When is this fat company going to be sued into oblivion already, so they can stop acting like the anointed lords of the universe already.
@@Darkforest138no 🙃 slavery in the Bible is not the same as slavery we understand it to be today. The slaves were of the same race and *willingly* entered into servitude typically to have assistance paying off debts. They would be freed after an agreed amount time.
I was with you tll the end where you agreed with Fr. Casey. Christianity makes it clear that yes our actions can be sinful but so can our thoughts. The idea that homosexual thoughts are okay as long as you don't act upon them is just incorrect for the same reason that lusting after a woman other than your wife is not okay either.
I think one of our main issues as Christians is that we have accepted homosexuality as a legitimate category of being. It isn’t. There is no such thing as a homosexual, as in someone who was made to be attracted to the same sex. Yes, we have people given over to that type of unnatural lust, but the answer is not to accept the person as homosexual, the answer is to call them to repent.
No no no no no and no! Protestants, Anglicans and some Modernist Catholics did. We orthodox Christians don't. We know that it's among what the Old Testament lists as abominations. And We have a clear spiritual understanding of what abomination is : Something that defiles, profane or desecrate. One is to put an idol in the holy place. Another is the desolation (desertification) of the holy place. It's not just another sin. So the blessing of an abomination is not a pastoral issue of economy but a sacrilege practice. Yet another one one may say. How many others before they piled up to heaven, and God remembers those crimes. Lord have mercy on us sinners IC XC NI KA
People that are same sex attracted have always been around. This particular sin has always been around. I don't think we can deny the reality of that. It wouldn't be mentioned in the bible if it wasn't always a problem. I think the newer problem you were trying to articulate is that they've taken it on as an identity. That's the paradigm shift and the lie. It's like saying, I'm a fornicator or an adulterer, that's just who I am. If you tell me to change that, you're attacking my very identity. That's the gay agenda stance now. It's not a reality though, we can still be called to repentance, because what we really are is children of God, called to live a life as holy as we can, for love of God and the good of society, and for the best chance at raising healthy children.
@@Hope_Boat How is it different from any other sin? Tōʻēḇā is used in Christian Old Testament scriptures to refer to: idolatry or idols (Deuteronomy 7:25, Deuteronomy 13:14, Isaiah 44:19) illicit sex (e.g. prostitution, adultery, incest) (Ezekiel 16:22,58, Ezekiel 22:11, Ezekiel 33:26) illicit marriage (Deuteronomy 24:2-4) a man "lying with a man as with a woman" (see Homosexuality in the Hebrew Bible) (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 18:27-30, Leviticus 20:13) temple prostitution (1Kings 14:24) offerings from the above (Deuteronomy 23:18) child sacrifice to Molech (Jeremiah 32:35) cross-dressing (Deuteronomy 22:5) cheating in the market by using rigged weights (Deuteronomy 25:16, Proverbs 11:1) dishonesty (Proverbs 12:22) pride (Proverbs 16:5) unclean animals (Deuteronomy 14:3) stealing, murder, and adultery, breaking covenants (Jeremiah 7:9,10) usury, making unethical or immoral monetary loans that unfairly enrich the lender, oppressing the poor and needy, etc. (Ezekiel 18:10-13)
I think one of our main issues is that we accept "Christian" as a legitimate category of being. It isnt. There is no such thing as a christian, as in someone who follows christ. Yes we have people who are delusional and talk to imaginary friends to cope with trauma and anxiety, but the answer is not to just accept these people and their delusions, but to provide them with adequate psychiatric care. Fkn bellend😒
There's something wrong with this guy (fr. casey) and when you call him out on his UA-cam page as I have, he releases a sad video on how people are picking on him. He doesn't understand that when you enter the public arena, you are opened up to criticism.
I appreciate the worldly nature of the Franciscans and their attempt to compromise with modernity but Fr Casey needs to afirm that a Catholic cannot compromise with sin!
Cole is just a product of secular influence on the faith. He's getting wrapped up in UA-cam Popularity and watering down opinions to prevent upsetting people
The more I hear Catholics speak biblical truth, the more I like Catholicism. Feelings/tradition are good, but nothing stops a man dead in his tracks like the Word.
@@Qwerty-jy9mj thanks for the invite, but no. I prefer sola scriptura. I don't think there's good evidence for the Catholic teachings on purgatory, the perpetual virginity of Mary, praying to anyone but God, and transubstantiation. But, if we can agree on the simple gospel of Jesus Christ, then that's enough for me.
@@dantheman909 That's a heresy from Martin Luther, who abandoned the true Catholic and singular Church Jesus Christ left us, and later committed suicide, which means he's in hell. I wouldn't want to follow his false teachings if you want to attain eternal salvation.
Thank you for this video. The first 80% of Fr. Cole's video, I was like, "Fr. Cole is a heretic". The ending of the video doesn't justify the beginning.
Fr. Casey seems to barely keep his feet on this side of the "technically doesn't constitute heresy" line. It's like he feels the need to be apologetic for maintaining church teaching
Father Casey is a problem in the Catholic Church. He leaves everything in a gray areas and doesn’t give clarity about the teachings of Christ. He almost seems to encourage sinful lifestyles in attempt to reach as many people as he can. At some point you have to be clear and make a stand, it’s up to people to make a decision on what they will follow.
Thank you Trent. I pretty much gave up on Fr. Casey when he basically said prisons should be eleminated since some current prisons are bad/evil. I watched his homosexual just to see how he could mess up that topic, kinda like watching a car wreak. I Pray his Bishop counsels Fr. Casey to get off social media.
Some prisons are for profit which means they’re run to make a private owner Profit while mandated contracts by the government, those should be illegal, as well as reformed but that’s got nothing to do with this.. well, besides the whole “being bubbas boytoy” in prison kinda thing.. shouldn’t laugh but it’s amusing slightly.
Spot on Trent! Fr. Casey has been in need of being called out on numerous occasions now. One of his videos on abortion was way off the Churches teaching. I personally think he enjoys confrontation.
Yeah Casey is off the tracks I stopped watching him like 3 -4 years ago when he made some weird statements and getting into trendy "gotcha" ambiguous videos. I said to myself...I don't have time for this childish nonsense. I just need the Truth.
Father Casey is gracious for comments and humble if he needs to correct himself and interacts at times. No one on this site or others is perfect. Our egos and need to do well with the platform sometimes creep in I'm sure being human. He still preaches though and I'm glad he isn't swayed by hatred or condemnation. I say try to get to know someone well as much as you can. I've watched many videos of priests and some I click with, some are too gruff or dry. I don't write someone off on a video or two. I've never heard Fr Casey say anything wrong. Compassion is needed in our world. You don't have to sacrifice your belief to be empathetic.
@@workinprogress-ye5or: Well, the closing of the comments’ section under Fr. Cole’s video speaks volumes and not to his credit, unfortunately. We need to pray for the clergy, from the very top to the very bottom of the hierarchy, the demands for the chosen sons are higher than for anybody else.
@@user-rz7cm2we3xIt was available when he released the video. What a pity that the comments are blocked. In the comments there were people recommending Trent videos, so that they could be better informed.
@@workinprogress-ye5orThe argument is criticized, not the people. The Father is a good person with good intentions, but perhaps the theological training by his order is not the best.
The problem with this video is it takes snippets from Fr. Casey and offers criticism without the full context. It is better to reach out and request to have an actual discussion/debate on the topic if you think his position is “WRONG”. Your caption comes off as clickbait.
This is a weak argument, he dismissed all good arguments to make us rely on a weak one. He knows that if we relied on his argument it wouldn't take much time for people to accept homosexual unions more in more in Catholic circles. That's his idea.
But then he also said that 'normal' homosexual relationships didn't exist in those times. Thereby giving a good reason not to expect this kind of relationship to be shown. And therefore defeating the one argument against homosexuality he gave in his video. And he used most of the video to tear down any other biblically based argument against the topic. While his counterarguments, as Trent has shown, are very weak. So no, there's nothing orthodox about this video of Fr Casey.
@@CezzyHaag It's the usual attempt to weaken the church's and biblical stance against homosexuality. Trying to cast doubt that the new testament ever speaks clearly against it. It does.
@@CezzyHaag The bible is like a written history of the world. It not being in the bible and not being common at the time point to the fact that it was never normal. Obviously it's abnormal for two people of the same sex to be in union because the parts don't fit. The fact that the bible doesn't give it the go ahead is enough, people get the rest...
The biggest passage for me is not one that says "homosexuality is wrong" but the one in wich Jesus said that a man and a woman will be united to form one flesh. It shows what God wants and has created for the union of two people in marriage to form a family
The problem is with assuming "how we understand homosexuality today" - as if any traditional understanding is anachronistic. This implicitly takes for granted that we are making real progress in understanding homosexuality. I wholeheartedly disagree that we have somehow gotten better at understanding this sinful behavior.
it's a really bad argument, ancient peoples put there pants on one leg at a time same as us
It's not sinful. That's really the point.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu Do you believe in sin at all? If so, what makes something a sin?
There is also this bizarre conflation going on between same-sex acts and "progress" as if giving into base physical desires without thinking is somehow the modern thing to do. It's a weird rejection of the reality that controlling one's body is the modern concept and simply giving into whatever feels good without thinking of the consequences or logical reasons not to is what humans were much more likely to do in ancient times.
You give me hope for your order. If only the vocal ones were as good as you.
Great video!
"People will argue, “we know more about homosexuality now than we did then” maybe so. But are you then suggesting God knew less than we do now? For either all Scripture is God-breathed, or it isn’t. Either we believe Christ, or we don’t."
-Fr. Calvin Robinson
What a great speech by Calvin!
God-breathed means it has the power to give life, it doesn't mean that God wrote it
Isn't that what Christians have done with slavery?
God breathed, but fallible men wrote.
Though I'm a Protestant pastor, I love your channel Trent! Well done. Important conversation to be having, especially today.
What in the world???😮 Good grief! Thank you, Trent Horn!🙏🏽
>father Casey cole
>Look inside
>Coal
Fr Casey is the prime example of post councillor mish mash of belief ....confusion and error has been the norm for 50 years and the clear unequivocal teaching of the previous 1700 years has been trumped by 'pastorally sensitive guidance '.....
Noooo... ambiguity good... pastorality of doctrine...
This is not a description of the Catholic Church.
@@littlerock5256 Confusion and error about moral doctrine is literally what describes a large portion of laymen and clergy since the sexual revolution
@@igorlopes7589 Confusion and error about moral doctrine is literally what describes a large portion of laymen and clergy since Vatican II.
@@littlerock5256 While I blame the "Spirit of the Council" for this it is important to remember Pope Paul VI did very good job in combating heresies in morality. I also think it is notworthy the "Spirit of the Council" is very similar to the "Spirit" of mainline liberal protestant denominations, although the Doctrines remained very different the Zeitgeist is worryingly similar.
I'm 2 mos sober yall! By the great mercy & grace of Jesus thru our Blessed Lady & His given 12 steps based largely on Sermon on the Mount.
Congratulations on a huge accomplishment! God bless and never give up.
i stumbled on your comment just now - i hope you're still doing well! my prayers are with you.
As a Catholic who struggles, and battles, and wrestles with my homosexuality, my sin and my shame, its hard sometimes to hear the harshness of some of these words. But i must remember, it is not harshness, but the word of God.
Thank you for your videos... i hope one day i can find the peace i so desperately crave
Praying for you ❤️
@@bethanyann1060 Thank you, sister
Hopefully you can embrace yourself. Otherwise it's needless pain.
Please go see a therapist. You’re dealing with religious trauma. The gay community is ready to accept you with open arms when you are.
@@bethanyann1060Stop doing that. Your religious bigotry literally leads gay kids to off themselves every single year. Your ‘love’ is poison.
Glad to see you did this response, Trent. I'd like to give Fr. Casey the benefit of the doubt, but I often have concerns when I watch his content.
I am sure he means well, but I definitely have concerns with some of his content, based on the admittedly little I have seen.
@@marinanguish9928 - Cole CLEARLY does not mean well, his vids are very disturbing
It's not possible do watch more than 2 or 3 of his anti-Catholic videos and give Cole the benefit of the doubt.
@@marcokitepoor fella has swallowed modernism.
Brian, are you familiar with the channel "Scholastic Answers"?
The best way I have heard it. In the context of the red text argument, “But Jesus never said that.”
“The messiah had more important issues to address rather than rehash an already settled issue that was not in dispute in the antique near east.”
My response to the "Jesus never said that" argument would be to ask that person to read the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:4-9, and Mark 10:3-12. Then I would ask them if they could gleam anything from those words in favor of anything outside of marriage between a man and a woman.
well first destroy any pretext of red text argument using the red text "It is right for us to meet all the Law's demands - let it be so now" "The scripture says" "I assure you that, while Heaven and earth last, the Law will not lose a single dot or comma until its purpose is complete." and then use Matthew 19:4-6 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,' and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.""
Sure, that would be an argument. But someone could simply say “but He was talking about divorce, not homossexual acts!”
This is why I’d strengthen this argument with the passages quoted above *after* having already discussed Leviticus and Romans in that order. Old Testament, then New so we establish that the moral Law hasn’t changed. Then discuss the Greek terms for men-bedders and effeminates, THEN finish with the Gospel of Mark and Matthew.
Yep, just like the issue of being allowed to beat one's slaves as long as they don't die in a day or two in Exodus 21:20-21 it was settled and Jesus agreed with it.
Our Lord never condemned Cock Fighting. I’m starting a new hobby.
Some will argue if God condemns homosexuality then why did he make it pleasurable, meaning why is it pleasurable for both partners. Horrible argument! The same argument could be made for drugs and a host of other sins. "Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God." Pleasure becomes idolatrous.
fr casey is very strange sometimes he says good stuff and sometimes im wishing his superior had not let him have a youtube channel
Maybe people needs to write his superior in order to that.
@@DanyTV79I’m pretty sure his superior knows what he’s doing.
maybe he gay himself
He built a following teaching solid doctrine first, but in topics that weren't important or didn't contradict (in a superficial level) the views of his progressive agenda. Now that he's amassed a good enough following he's showing his true rainbow colors and leading as many people astray as he can.
And I'm sure he thinks wholeheartedly that he's doing good by modernizing the Church, not as some evil plan, but it's still evil.
Casey follows the same strategy as Fernandez with regard to traditional Catholicism: (1) state agreement with the teaching; (2) undermine and hollow out the teaching of any practical meaning. If someone criticizes (2), just point to (1).
Trent Horn's rebuttals always personify 1 Peter 3:15 which says, "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect".
^agreed, all too many videos these days are just mockeries and slanderous towards the other they refer to.
I have stopped watching Fr Casey’s videos. Maybe it is my personal reaction to a priest who says, no! He does not pray the rosary! 😱😳
@@majkomira he’s not praying the rosary doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe in it… he just have other preference on how to pray… do you pray the rosary everyday?
@@majkomira has he publically said he does not say the rosary ...oh dear....when and where can I see evidence of this
Stupidity remains stupidity however dished
I’ve seen a few videos recently of UA-camrs covering other people. You are among the few that don’t mock and ridicule the other person in the video. Keep up the quality and respectfulness!
Even though I am an evangelical Protestant I enjoyed listening to Michael Voris on Church Militant. He had no use for people like me but his condemnation of liberals was good. It is sad that he fell into sin.
@@roberteaston6413 yep Amen.
It's not mocking if it's the truth. Some people are much better at saying the same thing but in a nicer way
Confusion is not of God. Fr. Casey needs to clarify and take a break from the click-bait, scandal causing videos
the clickbait titles make it all so much worse
Everyone does clickbait to some degree. Pope Francis, God bless him, got it in spades in the past on many conservative videos. It's shameful but they want the "clicks" and views
he doesn't control the titles, has said so many times. He is only with content.
Maybe he is homosexual himself
@@DarkAngel-cj6sx And if anyone was on this video or him or whomever, is that a sin?
0:04 ACKCHYUALLY made me laugh. That's all I'm gonna say.
I usually find Fr. Cole very interesting but it's great to see you correct him, Trent. He seems to be too soft on LGBT agenda.
The agenda of equality. You guys are psycho
What's the agenda?
@@Darkforest138 equality
@@MRdaBakkle all citizens are equal in the eyes of the law. There you go.
@@Darkforest138 the agenda that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexual acts
Trent, thank you so much for your good work. Keep it up. You are a shinning example of charity and clarity.
G.K. Chesterton wrote an excellent essay called _About Shamelessness._ In the essay Chesterton describes what he believes to be the real underlying problem with modern-day hedonism. The issue is not just the sexual perversions themselves, but the complete lack of shame and disgust regarding them.
People in the past did these things, but they never wanted people to know about it. They understood it was wrong. The last thing on earth they would do is take pride in their perversion; or proudly proclaim it as some kind of "identity".
Chesterton (correctly I believe) links this degradation of shame and disgust to moral relativism. I strongly recommend this essay.
So people are less homophobic and ur mad about it? U can intellectualize it all u want but ur just trying to justify ur base prejudices. Should wr also return to the days where we looked at black ppl and race mixing with disgust? The author u mention was also deeply antisemitic. Seems like theres a pattern here of trying to intellectually justify bigotry. And btw, there’s nothing inherently hedonistic about homosexuality. Its not as if all homosexuals are primarily straight but have gay sex when they are bored with straight sex . Lmao
@@RationalistMH
"Its not as if all homosexuals are primarily straight but have gay sex when they are bored with straight sex."
Kleptomaniacs and Pyromaniacs may indeed be "born that way". That doesn't make what they do correct. And, no, I'm not making a comparison. I'm simply saying that being born with a desire to do something does not automatically make it right. If that were the case, "I was born this way" could be used to justify anything. There may be a genetic influence on all our behaviors.
Race mixing was considered immoral. I'm not sure if it was considered disgusting. It was not unusual to find white women having affairs with black men. Our sense of disgust is very different. People feel disgust when somebody does something bizarre or irrational.
For example, if I'm walking down the street and a guy grabs a woman's purse, I would get angry because it's an immoral act. But suppose that guy, instead of grabbing the purse, picked a large spider off the ground and started to eat it. That may not actually be immoral per se. Maybe the guy is starving. I wouldn't feel anger towards that person, but it would trigger my sense of disgust.
I should have made this distinction in my original post.
Interesting how People who hate the bible ,
Are seeking it's validation day by day by misinterpreting it
The glass half-full view of this is that they still desire God's blessing. -Kyle
root of woke movement is secular humanism, and root of secular humanism is gnostics. and gnostics are sworn enemy to catholic church .
this is satanic mind, he mix 99% truth with 1% deadly poison.
@@TheCounselofTrentThe mystery is why more people can't see that it is calling a sin an identity is the central blasphemy here and double bind.
The consequence being you can't criticise an identity in an identitarian age, it's a "secular blasphemy"
Until 100+ years ago it was universally either a dominance ritual
or a fetish for the rich jaded semi potent.
This is true for most of the world, still, All the 53 African countries, not bowing under inhuman pressure, are doing all our work, again, and paying a financial price for their integrity.
Satan tempted Jesus by quoting scripture. Even demons are compelled to acknowledge the authority of God. *Not necessarily saying these people are under demonic influence.
@@veronica_._._._ The church used to have a problem with left-handed children. To the extent that they were punished and forced to used their right hands. They got over that. Forcing homosexual people to either: try and live a heterosexual lifestyle, or force them to be celibate is akin to this.
Trent defending the faith firmly once again!!!❤
A layman has to defend the faith against a priest? So much for unity.
@@littlerock5256 There have always been bad priests and there always will be. Only you can decide if you will let that disturb your peace. Judas disrupted the unity of the Apostles, and which Apostle left Christ because of Judas?
@@aretrograde7745 A bad priest is one who is personally sinful; distorting the faith is a whole other level of evil.
Cole has had a channel for some time now. Other commenters expressed concern over other things he has said. This isn't a one off.
Laymen correcting priests publicly is a bad look, at the very least. Cole's bishop should be dealing with this. As Cole's comments were public, the bishop's correction could and should also be public.
@@littlerock5256 Absolutely! Spot on!
True, how could God be love if those sodomites don't have to run around on burning sand with fire raining down on them from the sky for eternity (a la Dante). Where is God's justice if their skin is not seared off for a quadrillion years.
I have subscribed to Fr. Casey for a long time. I have found the way he covers some topics as not biblical.
I noticed Fr. Casey turned comments off on his video. You left your comments on. Bravo.
You gave a lot of clarity.
Yeah I used to watch Casey almost every day but now I’m having to step back and reassess his message
I believed he left his comments on in one of his videos covering homosexuality in the Bible. He had replied to someone in the comments to help them understand his conclusion which was "Homosexuality isn't sinful. But homosexual acts are." He's practically admitting homosexuality is sinful but he doesn't want to bring any harming feeling against homosexuals.
@@rudyisabot homosexuality is sinful and so are the acts but to be born that is not wrong if you are completely chaste in your life
@@JoeBuchanan1346 Yeah I know.
Used to watch him alot but these days avoid him. He's suspect
I think a certain amount of blame here needs to be placed not simply on Father Casey, but on his Franciscan formators and superiors for peddling these arguments. Father Casey isn’t some self-taught pseudo-scholar; at some point, his Franciscan seminary instructors and formators solidified these positions and supporting arguments in Father Casey, which of course get turned into these videos. It’s like when he did that ridiculous “prison workers are actually chattel slaves” video, I was thinking to myself “this is absolutely a stereotypical modern Franciscan/Jesuit take, someone in the order had to lay this out at one point and Casey gravitated to it.”
Yes but Father Casey is not a mere puppet, he has a brain of his own. If he can't wrap his head around the fact that the bible is unambiguous on its views of homosexuality then he is not bright enough to do his job.
definitely agree with these thoughts. Someone needs to reform that seminary for "educating" this young man with such non-orthodox ideas. He is really a master at sowing seeds of confusion.
@@timcooper1321 Seminaries are closing. I think Ireland is down to 1. Suggestion is for the US to have 5.
Cardinal Dolan: The Catholic Church has too many seminaries.
"Some thoughtful observers have proposed we consider regional major seminaries, one for each of four or five geographic areas in the U.S. church."
He has 3,5kg of brain tissue perhaps he should start using it instead of repeating the lies of his convent
@@rl7012
It's true that he's not a puppet, whenever he talks about his influences outside of Catholicism he always mentions far left atheists and he has defended liberation theology which is heresy.
People gravitate to what they like.
In the words of Calvin Robinson "are we saying that we know more about (sexuality) now than God knew back then".
Calvin would make a great Catholic
@@jaqian He is: Anglican 🙂
Casey Cole does!
spot on
Um.. yes? We have an entire field of science from biology to genetics to psychology to sexology that has made tremendous progress in the understanding of human sexuality. Similarly, we also know a lot more about sex differences whereas up until some centuries ago women were understood to be mentally inferior to men and thus unsuitable for public life, hence the Bible's pronouncements on women having to 'submit' to their husbands and all that.
The problem my friend, is that Paul is not only condemning the men and women who participate in acts of homosexuality, but he also explains why these people have fallen into this sin: In his opinion, homosexuality is the consequence of idolatry. "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." (Romans 1:22) It is a path downwards: Idolatry leads to homosexuality, homosexuality to deprivation of the mind, and deprivation of the mind to malice of every kind. This is expressed in Romans 1.
Is there any person in the Catholic Church today, from the Pope down to the last Catholic who really believes that homosexuality is born out of idolatry? Do you? Can any of you find any other reference in the Bible to the contrary? You all know that Paul's understanding is extremely limited, yet you have to defend his views since you believe the Bible to be inerrant (at least in the New Testament). Yet, a homosexual may be born even in the most pious Catholic family and you can't address this problem with Paul's cannonades
No one is born a homosexual. People are being infected with chemicals and by being abused, and brainwashed by judaeo-media (movies, tv, etc.) - it's a sin, it's not a personality, but people are accepting it, which is also a sin. No one is saying they identify as a fornicator, but don't fornicate so it's acceptable - because we'll all know the identifying as the sin and partaking in the action of the sin are both morally wrong.
Charitable and necessary. Great job, Trent!
Please stay on top of this channel, Trent. Thanks.
I am glad someone finally called him out for his explicit ideological biases.
That's all we needed was one more Fr James, Martin
@@tomgjokaj Francis supports James Martin so he's likely support Cole as well.
@@littlerock5256 Lord please have mercy i'm not sure about Pope Francis, but somebody in the Vatican clearly likes fr James Martin, the spiritual, pervert
Remember when Fr Casey Cole stacked his ordination mass with women because his sister told him the Catholic Church was sexist? Just putting that out there.
@@tomgjokaj Francis has written personal letters to James Martin in support of him.
That priest spoke just like the serpent in the garden with Eve. Downplaying, questioning and normalizing disobedience to God's word and divine order.
Homosexuality is not a sin because it is NOT a choice. We were born that way.
It's acting upon the urges that is sinful. And that makes us the LGB no different from everyone who struggles with lust.
Fr. Casey did made that distinction. Stop picking on us!
Trent is literally the Cavalry
Father Casey's video style is very similar to Buzzfeed and other left-wing outlets that try to promote deconstructionism and give it a positive feel by creating ambiguity.
That's what it reminds me of! Buzzfeed and that ilk! I couldn't put my finger on it but they always gave me that sense of familiarity but I couldn't quite pin it down.
Yes, he seems like an infiltrate/agent of the progressive left.
Well put.
He claims Johnny Harris is one of his favorite UA-camrs, I'm not surprised he would emulate the style and content.
Harris is a former mormon turned Marxist atheist
That's right! 👍👍 I stopped watching him like 3 years ago, he's offbeat.
I find it wild for a priest to imply that the bible is outdated, as though the word of God could ever be "behind the times".
Especially since the Catechism makes it pretty clear what th teaching of the Church is. This and the fact is that homosexuality has proved to be such a bad thing for the Church, Yet they have the likes of Father Martin running around minimizing the sinfulness of it, and how it undermines Christian morality as a whole.
@@johnschuh8616 Thankfully the Church withstands these outliers but still, it's shocking.
I used to love Fr Casey’s channel but it seems every video he shows his true modernist understanding more and more.
Same here. He's been saying similar things about woman priests.
Same here! I stopped watching him like 3 years ago, he started acting weird and putting out "gotcha" videos and saying weird stuff. And I sensed this dude is off his tracks! I didn't have time for his antics.
Yes, does he hate the Church? He always sounds like a very liberal Anglican.
@@marcokite I don’t think he hates the church. I think he’s lost his way. We must pray for all priests especially the ones that have lost their way. I think he has a good heart just bad theology.
Me too!
Stopped watching Fr Casey a long time ago!
I've watched a bit of Fr Casey's content and always get the distinct impression he years to promote strong progressive ideals (which conflict with Catholicism). His video "Abortion isn't THAT big of a deal" comes to mind.
Really? He actually did that video? Wow. Says it all really.
I always feel that he hates the Catholic Faith
@@lepterfirefall he did a follow up video in response to the STRONG reaction it got, clarifying his point, but it didn't help...
That take on the passage in Romans is very confusing. So some beleive that God is against straight people having homosexual encounters, but as long as you are a true homosexual then it is okay? It has to be the funniest argument I have ever heard. Great video!
And what's funnier is that this doesn't support their argument at all. Like if God is mad when a man leaves his woman for another man then wouldn't he also be mad if a man and man were together I don't get it😂
Mental gymnastics are required when trying to rationalize our sins
I'm an Orthodox Christian and I have to say Trent did a great job defending our common faith ground here. Give credit where credit is due. I believe Fr. Cole knows perfectly well what he's doing and is subverting Scripture by poking holes in its interpretation by the Church and getting a foot in the door for future "developments" (the plan B mentioned). We are all in a spiritual battle and must defend the true faith.
I'm with you on Fr. Cole knowing exactly what he's doing, yeah. If it's one thing I wish, its that my fellow Catholics would get on the ball about this because too many of them seem to have trouble wrapping their brains around the whole subversion thing calling those of us who talk about it, "rad trads".
And I get it, its beyond a lot of people to grasp just why anyone would do this, never mind how. Because we're all genuinely good people who'd never consider deconstructing anything out of spite or some sadistic desire to cause pain. Its hard to think that there are a bunch of people out there who vow to do exactly that - it still comes hard to me and I've been engaging in this culture war for over a decade, it still breaks my heart to think about this stuff. I wish I didn't know half of what I know.
But yeah, people need to wise up, although to be fair I think a lot of them are beginning to come around now. Thank you brother (or sister), and God bless you. 🙏
@@katydidd6321the issue here is that u guys are assuming without evidence that Fr Casey Cole has these malicious intentions, this is sinful to do
Exactly sir. Fr Cole knows what he is doing and it clearly goes hand in hand with the very sly and beat around the bushy way the Catholic higher ups are leading people into believing doctrines of devils.
At the end of the video, Fr. Casey says:
"Casting out people simply for how they were CREATED... (dramatic pause)... couldn't be further from the teaching of the Bible"
He obviously scripted the video and put emphasis on that part on purpose. He probably does have an agenda, but not the courage to be sincere about it.
@@justsomevids4541 The subversion of the Church for the purpose of coercing the masses to live contrary to the teachings of Christ the Savior is malicious acta non verba, and Trent Horn lays out the evidence in his videos quite succinctly.
Pax vobiscum.
This is why Tradition exists. It prevents us from falling into the trap of thinking we “know better than those who came before” or that “this time is different”.
Would you say though that all traditions serve a good purpose?
@@BardicLiving Any Tradition built on serving God and His Truth, first and foremost, is the highest good that can be achieved.
@@DavGre It seems as if many conflicting traditions and laws have that as their stated purpose, though - e.g. when and how to observe the Sabbath, what kinds of food/drinks are acceptable, or when and how it’s appropriate to end a marriage.
Agreed. Let’s return to the tradition of slavery. It was good enough for the Old Testament, it was good enough for the New Testament, it had the approval of the Popes and Church Fathers and stood for thousands of years. Stick with tradition!
I think you unknowingly make a good point, the real authority is tradition, the bible is just there to justify it.
Few hundred years ago, the bible was used to justify slavery, because that was tradition, until it stopped, so people are now reinterpreting the bible as anti-slavery.
My first ever interaction with Fr Casey was a tweet where he said that the Bible was full of contradictions
He's a liberal heretic.
Isn't it, though?
@@blindflames227 no. No it's not
@@blindflames227No, it has what seem to be contradictions. But, when reading scripture fairly we can see how it is cohesive not contradictory. God bless.
@@blindflames227 The Bible is infallible in terms of morals and faith, but not on terms of historical records.
However, most people say the guiding on morals and faith are contradictory, but they are not. You need to read it as a whole and understanding how they connect and clarify each other. There is only one Truth!
Trent, perhaps it’s a good time to have a dialogue with Fr. Casey Cole.
Fr. Casey has refused each time Trent has offered in the past.
I am open to it but he has consistently declined.
I appreciate the replies.
@@TheCounselofTrent That's pretty sad when goodwill protestants like Pastor Gavin Ortlund is willing to have a civil sit down discussion (plus do really civil debates), but a fellow Catholic friar is not. It seems you're more in line w/ a lot of protestant Christians in this this matter of the homosexual agenda. Catholic unity isn't as simple as being united under a pope. God bless, you have my continued prayers and support.
@@TheCounselofTrent: On quite another note, I think it’s useful to listen to Fr. Chad Ripperger, a psychologist and exorcist who talks in his online seminaries about the sources of the vice in question and even mentions the names of the demon who tempts men (men have one such) and two separate demons who tempt women (women have two).
His conferences are available on youtube.
So much for the “natural” provenance of this vice.
God bless you and your family🕊️
PLEASURE seeking is the problem.... people have ALWAYS sought personal pleasure b4 all else.
Sadly...and I really, really don't like saying this, but I find Father Casey wrong about more and more. I don't know what's happening there, but I am genuinely concerned for him. He could be doing quite a lot of damage to people's spiritual life and Soul.
I stopped following him and unsubscribed from him long ago. He's chop full of nonsense like this.
@@waybogus I concur completely, my blood pressure couldn't take listening to him anymore.
@waybogus I did too. I could tell where it was headed from the beginning, though I had hoped I would be wrong.
@@timcooper1321 Can't say that I blame you.
We have to pray for him, he probably genuinely thinks he's doing good by "updating" God's teaching. Still, he knows exactly what he's doing by undermining little by little the eternal right doctrine.
He's pushing heresies in small doses so he doesn't lose viewers in great numbers.
I'm unsure why Fr. Casey keeps creating content that's purposely ambiguous and against patristics and Catholic teaching. He wants to play both sides. It's not possible. Cite the teachings of the Catholic Church, and stop citing "modern scholars". If it was up to these "scholars", the entire New Testament would be anonymous and the 2000 years of Christ's Church would collapse.
He's not playing both sides, silly, he's _allowed_ on both sides. There is a difference.
I always got a weird feeling about that little dude. Something off about him for sure
Yeah as soon as I watched a video of him comparing people who don’t want myocarditis to people who are for baby unalive I realized there’s something off too
Fr. Casey is this generation's Richard Rohr, only a hundred times more sneaky.
yeah and i know a lot of friends that simply wrote off the OFMs when discerning religious life because of these two, they aren't doing their communities any favors
Let's be more charitable, he surely and beyond any doubt deserves criticisms on his views, but let's not be hostile
It's worth noting that the basis for condemnation of Sodom and Gomorrah was not mutually exclusive; to reason that because it was about oppression that it therefore wasn't about sexual immorality is to engage dishonestly with the text of Scripture.
“Greed and injustice” when they literally were trying to sodomize angels because they were so sexually depraved.
This is like saying the problem with strip clubs is that they have profits.
Jesus said that if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Sin is not only in the act but from within us!
I think of this Bible verse regarding "Well, actually's"...where I think the first envious deconstructionist was the devil with his first words:
Genesis 3:1 "Now the snake was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the Lord God had made. He asked the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden?”"
Great Point, it seems to be the root of the argument of every Bible verse. Truly, there seems to be a effort to completely revise the word of God.
@@thenewrenaissance4180 Thank you for your reply. Hope you and yours are having a nice week!
I believe you mean “AkShUeLLy”
@@EpoRose1 Well AkShUeLLy, *squirts saliva everywhere while unintentionally playing the "Do you like Seafood joke* I was making a distinct point about...lol Thanks!
A talking snake? And the snake is "the devil"? What?! A snake that is a "deconstructionist"? And what does a deconstructionist need to be "envious" about? What do you even mean? You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE. You're WRONG THEOLOGICALLY AND HISTORICALLY! And you call yourself a christian??? Lol!
There was ALWAYS a power differential between ancient homosexual partners? Scripture actually has an answer to this claim too:
"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 1:9
Marxists see everything in terms of power. However this vice is about emotionsl erotic pleasure and narcissism and simply trade offs of I will give you this if you give me that etc. Ultimately its the means to get the ends but the ends is a perverse approximation of what nature, healthy instinct emotions and attachment are ordered to which is family and procreation. Heterosexuality is the norm or we would not exist.
I had to look up the definition of "power differential", I thought that was a mechanical part on a car axle. 😆
These modernist types are a weird bunch of people.
And a generational difference (Bearded/beardless)
It was was never a category identity either, the victim would carry all the shame (catamite, ingle...) and the aggressors would feel hypermasculine, having divided up the world of carnal opportunity into
1) adult bearded male
2) "objects" that can be used as if female.
Anthropology 101.
Father Casey is force fitting worldly ideology into Catholic truth. I stopped watching him ages ago. Thx for the sound rebuttal, Trent.
I saw Fr.Casey's video right after I had watched your video on the homosexuality documentary. Honestly, I felt upset and confused about what Fr.Casey told. I knew that he was wrong, but I also knew that you will make a video on that so I kept silent. Thank God I was not wrong.
Fr Casey is off the tracks.
Huge respect from a Protestant for not looking outwards but first taking the plank out of your own camps eye we need more of this going around
Why dont you go to a protestant website? I am sick of protestants putting their two cents into catholic matters. Read Hillaire Bellocs book, The "Great Heresies". You are a Heretic of the catholic church. When I was a kid we were not even allowed to talk to protestants. And until around 60 years ago the churches official teaching on protestants is that you will not be saved. I think that may be true, because protestants mock the Blessed Mother, (Jesus' Mother) and Dont believe in the Holy Eucharist. How is thinking like that going to get you saved? First you tell Jesus you hate His mother, and then you tell Him (Jesus) that He is a liar by not believing that His Body Soul and Divinity is the Holy Eucharist. Read John 6:53 again. He never said it was a symbol.
I am a Protestant who has done volunteer work at two missions. We give food and clothing to poor and homeless people. Of course, we preach the gospel. Many of the people we help are Roman Catholics. Sometimes we win a person to Christ. I do not think that Roman Catholics have to worry about our mission work. Any "Roman Catholic" we win to Christ was not much of a Catholic anyways. They may have been born into a Catholic family and baptised Catholic but they have not been practicing Catholics for years. You know what Catholics say. Poor Catholics become Protestants and good Protestants become Catholic.
@@roberteaston6413 So why are you still Protestant?
You have a plank in your eye if you are protestant and reject the Holy Eucharist. Jesus never said it was a symbol. You dont know what you are talking about. Reread St Johns gospel 6:53, or read it for the first time.
People are not rejecting the Bible's teaching. People are being honest about what is there and the bad interpretation of the church. The church has taught many things and had many doctrines that are flat out wrong. You talk about bias translation and you are full of it!
BASED response video
Keep up the great work, Trent! I am an Anglican and regularly come to your videos to receive a strong, thoughtful Catholic take on issues.
Even where we disagree, I appreciate the steelman to challenge my viewpoints rather than just trying to find Catholic strawmen that do not align with the historical church's teaching.
May God bless you and your ministry in finding true faith in Him.
You can be LGBT and Catholic 👨❤️👨
@ddrse no it's a contradiction
Homosexuality is a natural healthy born sexual orientation with an evolutiionary meaning.
How shall homosexuals still take Christians for serious when they follow a man-made claim in the Bible and call it an abomination or a seduction of their satan?
Hell, I'm an agnostic, and I'm subscribed.
I'm the same, it's fascinating to watch this huge boom of catholic thought and a kind of revival happening. Given that so little theology is seriously debated in our church today or even by parishioners it's healthy to have exposure to both sides of the debates in an intellectually honest way with integrity and civility.
First point, at 1:30, the catechism also refers to homosexual acts, making Father Casey right. There is no disagreement, just a lack of defining the term "homosexuality." Fr. Casey seems to use it as a characteristic intrinsic to the person. And yes, we do need someone to remind us the difference between condemning acts and condemning people apart from their acts. To use alcohoism properly, as anyone in AA can tell you, a person with alcoholism may never touch another drink, yet still have alcoholism. FYI, another way to see homosexuality a part of society, as in, "homosexuality in America." This is a third issue.
Thanks for the correction video! Breaking the Habit is a channel that concerns me and has for years.
Why isn't Cole's bishop correcting him?
@littlerock5256 Assuming his Bishop knows? The channel never goes full-on heresy, at least from what I've seen. And there may have been private corrections that we don't know about. Remember, the principle here is that going public is the last step in correcting a brother.
@@aaronvt9980 A public error needs to be publicly corrected. Horn is stepping in to do it when it is really the job of the bishop.
Are you suggesting that Horn contacted Cole directly, as well as Cole's bishop, and that was not sufficient, necessitating Horn going public?
Same here
@@littlerock5256 Two different things. Trent is rebutting an argument. A bishop would be chastising the brother, which should be done privately, at least the first time. Far more likely, the bishop has no idea the brother even has a UA-cam channel.
He also turned off his comments on that video
The good news is that God can free all homosexuals from a life of perversion. They just have to have humble hearts, and want to allow the Holy Spirit to redirect their lives.
Amen.
Oh, I imagine many folks enjoy their life of perversion. I live with a married women who is gorgeous and kind. Don't knock perversion. And I am as loved by God as yourself.
Do you not believe homosexuals also experience love?
@@Ryenrein Homosexuals experience lust!
@@stevensonrf I assume you you realise that heterosexual sex is also sinful: except in narrow confines of married couple having sex for procreation. That includes having sex using contraception device is sinful.
I've noticed Father Casey is often vague in his videos.
TFW your favorite right-leaning Catholic challenges your favorite left-leaning Catholic to spar with him…
Noah, you're my favorite leaning Catholic. -Kyle
@@TheCounselofTrent
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Cha-cha, real smooth
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@@TheCounselofTrentWho is Kyle?
if anyone believes that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is correct and yet makes ANY argument that might lead people to believe otherwise, that person is committing a grave evil by leading souls astray. so the question is, what is Fr. Casey's motivation and goal here?
His goal is to be acceptable to the World, while still trying to be Catholic
@@stevedoetschVery Charitable.
he claims to be playing devil's advocate, in the hope that people will stop using weak arguments and switch to stronger ones. That would be a very good thing to do, if he were doing it. The problem is that he is doing the opposite, as Trent points out. Not sure if he is doing this intentionally and using "devils advocate" as cover for actually undermining the traditional teaching.
It is not the first time Fr Casey has done this. He's had other not-so-shining moments such as when he quoted Marx in a positive light or when he taught universalism. This is not one slip-up, it's a pattern of behaviour. He does seem to be intentionally subversive to the faith and it is dangerous because his channel is made to appeal to younger Catholics.
@@adrianmizen5070 Thomas Aquinas, he isn't
The roads to heresy are many, the roads to hell wide, the road to salvation straight and narrow
And only a few find the narrow path!
FEW!!!
@@john_from_eastcoast. Funny how a lot of Christians here think they are the ones on the narrow path, and no one else is, that they tell everyone else how to think.
Amen.
@@john_from_eastcoast. You better pray that you are one of them.
Unfortunately, I have to conclude that Fr. Casey is not very bright.
Fr. Casey should stick to reviewing movies, which by the way he is very good at.
half the church has just gone off the rails on this subject...
Hey, St Athanasius would have loved those odds back in his day dealing with the Arian crisis! -Kyle
@@TheCounselofTrent I'm stealing this reply
St John chrysostom had some words for the people in this topic as well in his homily on Romans 1.
Thank you for this response. It saddens me that Fr. Casey could be so effective at reaching younger Catholics, but instead seems to be (hopefully inadvertently) sowing more confusion at a time clarity is desperately needed.
He and his other channel, upon Friar Review are also good at building bridges w/ protestant Christians, and I even see a lot of comments from atheists that like that channel too. I'm a non Catholic Christian that was enjoying the channel, but I'm really disappointed w/ this softness and subversive teaching towards homosexuality and sexual sin in general. There are many of us wanting to raise a holy standard against all manner of sin. The subversion is in all the churches, and tragically, those w/ large public platforms and ordinations can peddle their subversive wares to the weak in faith, and those thinking of coming into Christianity.
I really fear that it is VERY 'adverdent' - I regret he knows what he's doing.
I have enjoyed Fr Casey's content but after a while I realized what he is doing. He says he follows Chirch teaching but then will subtly undermine the faith once for all delivered to the saints yet not in a way where he can be caught out
He seeks popularity in the modern world, not the truth.
Can not stand that guy. I’ve seen his reaction videos. Total modernist/liberal Catholic
Since I was born, I was prepared for this world to be evil, but I wasn't prepared for it to be this gay and stupid too...
Dear Fr. Casey Cole, OFM. I watched your video entitled “What The Bible Says (and doesn’t say) About Homosexuality.” Please allow me to make a number of observations. Firstly, I believe your remarks unfortunately are erroneous with respect to the topic of homosexuality, as Holy Scripture, Church Teaching, and the Early Fathers are all in agreement against your arguments. Since you have blocked comments on the video in question (due to perceived “sinful” behavior), I thought this forum would be the best place to interact with you.
HOLY SCRIPTURE:
As to the pertinent Scriptural references we can easily consider the following: I Corinthians 6:9: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND,” In Greek the text is: “ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν; μὴ πλανᾶσθε· οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται - Reference to ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoítēs, ar-sen-ok-oy’-tace; a sodomite:-abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. ἀρσενοκοίτης, -ου, ὁ, (ἄρσην a male; κοίτη a bed), one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite: 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10. (Anthol. 9, 686, 5; ecclesiastical writings.) … EFFEMINATE/Of A Male Who Submits His Body To Unnatural Lewdness/Homosexual, (μαλακοὶ/μαλακός/malakos). Malakoi, root malakos, nominative plural masculine, English-Effeminate. {see also Gen 19:5; Lev 18:22; Lev 20:13; Deu 22:5; Deu 23:17; Jdg 19:22; Rom 1:26,27; 1Ti 1:10}. For an in-depth analysis of these texts, along with other issues please consult: The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics, by Robert A. J. Gagnon
CHURCH TEACHING:
*Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357-2359 & Glossary, page 882
*Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination: Guidelines for Pastoral Care
*TEACHING OF THE CHURCH FATHERS:
As for the teaching of the fathers please refer to: Encyclopedia of Early Christianity, edited by Everett Ferguson, Michael P. McHugh, & Frederick W. Norris, American Society of Church History and The North American Patristic Society: Pages 434-436 - “The Church Fathers universally condemned male homosexual behavior. In a standard triad of sexual sins that includes adultery and fornication, arsenokoitia (same root as Paul’s term) appears interchangeably with paidophthoria (“perversion of boys”; e.g., Did. 2.2; Theophilus, Autol. 1.2, 14; Origen, Comm in Mt 14.10). Although the Levitical prohibition was not frequently cited (but cf. Tertullian, Marc. 1.29.4; Origen, Comm in Rom. 4.4; Eusebius, D.E., 1.6.67; 4.10.6; P.E 13.20.7; Const. app. 6.28.; 7.2), no evidence suggests that it was felt to be no longer binding or to condemn only ceremonial uncleanness. Many fathers emphasized the homosexual lust of the Sodomites (e.g., Methodius, Synp. 5.5; John Chrysostom, Hom. In Gen 43.4; Macarius, Hom. 4.22; Augustine, Conf. 3.8.15; Gregory the Great, Moral, 14.19). Some criticized other aspects of their depravity, but no patristic source excludes a homosexual interpretation of their conduct. Stoic influence reinforced Paul’s portrayal of homosexuality as unnatural, and early Christian writers regularly characterized it in these terms (Tertullian, Coron. 6; Clement of Alexandria, Paed. 2.8ff; Lactanitus, Div. Inst, 6.23; Ambrose, De Ambrahamo 1.6.52; Cyril of Alexandria, Ador 1).
The Inevitable Apostasy and the Promised Restoration, Deseret Books, 2006, by Tad R. Callister, Page 212: “From the earliest of times homosexuality has been condemned of the Lord. One of the reasons Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by fire was because homosexuality was so prevalent among its citizens (Gen. 19:5‑9; Jude 1:7). [page 213] “ …The command against homosexuality was clearly continued in the New Testament church (Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10 …” Page 214: “There is no suggestion, no intimation, no crack in the door that would offer any possibility, any proof that homosexuality was ever approved by the Lord. The evidence of its condemnation, as voiced by the early Church leaders, is staggering. Page 215: … “With uniformity the early Church leaders condemned homosexuality and any conduct associated with it … page 283: “Abortion and homosexuality were common practices in the Roman culture, but were strictly abhorred by the early Church.”
The church simply has this wrong.
We need a full investigation at how these men are taught in seminaries today.
Clearly there is a disconnect between the magisterium and the curriculum taught to candidates for priesthood.
Seminaries have been poisoned by homosexuals and Modernism for decades.
If only
oh yeah 10 uears of understanding theology and how to celebrate a mass so goodluck with that
For starters they ognore the science that contradicts the bible and start with the assumption it is divinely inspired without evidence
They are taught Modernism which deconstructs everything that is supernatural. Such naturalism is antithetical to Faith.
The easier way to bypass this entire argument is to simply argue that adultery is immoral.
1. Marriage is between one man and one woman, and open to procreation. (Mark 10:5-9)
2. Adultery is any sexual act outside of the context of a marriage. (Hebrews 13:4)
3. Homosexual acts are adultery. (1 Corinthians 7:2)
4. Adultery is immoral. (Exodus 20:14)
5. Therefore, homosexual acts are immoral.
An addendum would also include:
A1: Lust, a thought which leads to adultery, is immoral. (Matthew 5:28)
A2: Homosexual lust leads to adultery. (1 Corinthians 7:2)
A2: Therefore, homosexual lust is immoral.
Also the all-white background makes it look like you are recording this video from Heaven. 🤣
Good. Now i hope you realize no gay person gives a f. They know damn well you use your fictional book to hate them so thankfully they know to stay away from your cult. So your condemnations are falling into the void. And with society increasingly not giving a f either, your words will have less and less impact
Thank you for calling out false teachers
The question is, will the bishop of this false teacher rein him in or will he continue?
@@littlerock5256he'll probably continue. His higher ups are probably just as corrupt.
@@christmascat8076 I suspect the same as well.
It's a shame, I learned a lot from him as I went thru RCIA, didn't realize he was in error on such a crucial topic
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Red flags should go up when you hear “scholars argue”. In contrast, notice how trent actually cites his references.
Very good point.
To me it's very simple: Being a homosexual (attracted to the same sex) is not sinful but the act of homosexuality (the act of having relations with the same sex) is sinful.
Are our thoughts sinful❓
🕊️“No thought escapes him, and not one word is hidden from him.” Sirach 42:20
🕊️“The Lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.” Genesis 6:5
🕊️“For perverse thoughts separate men from God, and when his power is tested, it convicts the foolish.” Wisdom of Solomon 1:3
🕊️“This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions.” Colossians 1:21
🕊️“But I will be merciful only if you stop your evil thoughts and deeds and start treating each other with justice;” Jeremiah 7:5
🕊️“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive your evil thoughts,” Acts of the Apostles 8:22
🕊️“For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.” Hebrews 4:12
🕊️“As a result, the deepest thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your very soul.” Luke 2:35
🕊️“As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.” 1 Corinthians 14:25
🕊️“They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.” Romans 2:15
🕊️“For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.” Mark 7:21-23
🕊️“Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.” Isaiah 55:7
🕊️“Since you have heard about Jesus and have learned the truth that comes from him, throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes.” Ephesians 4:21-23
🕊️“And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.” Philippians 4:8
Not only is the thought of that attraction sinful but so is the act. This is why prayer and repentance is important.
🚨Ten reasons why matrimony itself proves that being a homosexual is in fact a sin⬇️
1️⃣What did our Father say in reference to matrimony❓
🕊️”Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24
2️⃣Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on matrimony❓
🕊️”He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Matthew 19:4-5
3️⃣Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on matrimony❓
🕊️“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” Ephesians 5:31
4️⃣Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s immorality❓
🔥”And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5️⃣Do the works of the flesh pertain to immorality❓
🔥“Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness,” Galatians 5:19
6️⃣How does immorality pertain to sex specifically❓
🕊️“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathens who do not know God;” 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
7️⃣Why should we avoid immorality❓
🔥”Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
8️⃣Under what condition is immorality permitted❓
🕊️”But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
9️⃣Is immorality outside of matrimony idolatry❓
🔥”Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.” Colossians 3:5
🔟Were we warned about certain people who would gain admission to our Father’s church and pervert the grace of our Father into licentiousness❓
🔥“Beloved, being very eager to write to you of our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the deepest darkness until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.” Jude 1:3-8‼️
In conclusion to homosexuality, not only can we conclude that our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles clarify matrimony between heterosexuals but further stated that immorality was only permitted through heterosexual matrimony. If immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, immorality & matrimony between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. This is why the wolves focus so much on either the word homosexual or the act itself instead of matrimony‼️
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less⁉️
The wolves within the church are flourishing because people refuse to read our Father’s words for themselves❗️
🕊️”Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?” Mark 12:24‼️
If this “priest” was truly one of our Father’s shepherds then he would have focused on matrimony alone and on his words instead of creating doubt & speculation‼️
🕊️”Listen to me, my son, and acquire knowledge, and pay close attention to my words.” Sirach 16:24❗️
🕊️”All the words of my mouth are righteous; there is nothing twisted or crooked in them. They are all straight to him who understands and right to those who find knowledge.” Proverbs 8:8-9❗️
🕊️”Reflect on the statutes of the Lord, and meditate at all times on his commandments. It is he who will give insight to your mind, and your desire for wisdom will be granted.” Sirach 6:37❗️
🕊️”My son, be attentive to my wisdom, incline your ear to my understanding; that you may keep discretion, and your lips may guard knowledge.” Proverbs 5:1-2❗️
🕊️”Listen, my son, and accept my judgment; do not reject my counsel.” Sirach 6:23❗️
🔥“But if they had stood in my council, then they would have proclaimed my words to my people, and they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.” Jeremiah 23:22❗️
🔥”My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. The more they increased, the more they sinned against me; I will change their glory into shame. They feed on the sin of my people; they are greedy for their iniquity.” Hosea 4:6-8❗️
We are all created in God’s image but we are not all God’s children as stated directly by Jesus⬇️
🔥”He answered, “He who sows the good seed is the Son of man; the field is the world, and the good seed means the sons of the kingdom; the weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels.” Matthew 13:37-39❗️
And even though Jesus welcomed everyone, he did not accept everyone as stated in⬇️
🔥“Woe to you, Chorazin! woe to you, Beth-saida! for if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable in the judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. And you, Caperna-um, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades. - Luke 10:13-15❗️
Christian must learn to distinguish between judging someone and rebuking them, to distinguish between welcoming them and accepting them because the example we are called to follow is Jesus❗️
False. They are both sinful. They are choosing to identify themselves as a sin. Clearly that's not moral.
I was following Fr. Casey until he came out with his video stating that Abortion is not that important, ceased following him and his heretical views immediately. He is a master of confusion and "new theology". He appears to have been poorly educated and is willing to share his unusual thoughts.
He definitely knows what he's doing
Don’t be fooled he isn’t poorly educated and knows exactly what he is doing.
Calling sinful behaviors “modern realities” that can be excused away “because the Bible is an old book” is all I need to know about Fr Casey.
People like Father James Martin and Father Casey are reasons people have a bad taste about Franciscans and Jesuits.
You make the same argument with slavery in the Bible
@@Darkforest138 Slavery > death
I'd elaborate, but youtube doesn't like comments to be for argumentation and actual commenting, it's for marketing, now.
@@Darkforest138 losing freedom is better than losing your life. I can't even properly argue with you, despite how wrong you are, because the terms are shadowbanned. So much for an "open forum." When is this fat company going to be sued into oblivion already, so they can stop acting like the anointed lords of the universe already.
@@Darkforest138no 🙃 slavery in the Bible is not the same as slavery we understand it to be today. The slaves were of the same race and *willingly* entered into servitude typically to have assistance paying off debts. They would be freed after an agreed amount time.
I was with you tll the end where you agreed with Fr. Casey. Christianity makes it clear that yes our actions can be sinful but so can our thoughts. The idea that homosexual thoughts are okay as long as you don't act upon them is just incorrect for the same reason that lusting after a woman other than your wife is not okay either.
I think one of our main issues as Christians is that we have accepted homosexuality as a legitimate category of being. It isn’t. There is no such thing as a homosexual, as in someone who was made to be attracted to the same sex. Yes, we have people given over to that type of unnatural lust, but the answer is not to accept the person as homosexual, the answer is to call them to repent.
No no no no no and no! Protestants, Anglicans and some Modernist Catholics did. We orthodox Christians don't. We know that it's among what the Old Testament lists as abominations. And We have a clear spiritual understanding of what abomination is : Something that defiles, profane or desecrate. One is to put an idol in the holy place. Another is the desolation (desertification) of the holy place. It's not just another sin. So the blessing of an abomination is not a pastoral issue of economy but a sacrilege practice. Yet another one one may say. How many others before they piled up to heaven, and God remembers those crimes.
Lord have mercy on us sinners
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People that are same sex attracted have always been around. This particular sin has always been around. I don't think we can deny the reality of that. It wouldn't be mentioned in the bible if it wasn't always a problem. I think the newer problem you were trying to articulate is that they've taken it on as an identity. That's the paradigm shift and the lie. It's like saying, I'm a fornicator or an adulterer, that's just who I am. If you tell me to change that, you're attacking my very identity. That's the gay agenda stance now. It's not a reality though, we can still be called to repentance, because what we really are is children of God, called to live a life as holy as we can, for love of God and the good of society, and for the best chance at raising healthy children.
@@Hope_Boat How is it different from any other sin? Tōʻēḇā is used in Christian Old Testament scriptures to refer to:
idolatry or idols (Deuteronomy 7:25, Deuteronomy 13:14, Isaiah 44:19)
illicit sex (e.g. prostitution, adultery, incest) (Ezekiel 16:22,58, Ezekiel 22:11, Ezekiel 33:26)
illicit marriage (Deuteronomy 24:2-4)
a man "lying with a man as with a woman" (see Homosexuality in the Hebrew Bible) (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 18:27-30, Leviticus 20:13)
temple prostitution (1Kings 14:24)
offerings from the above (Deuteronomy 23:18)
child sacrifice to Molech (Jeremiah 32:35)
cross-dressing (Deuteronomy 22:5)
cheating in the market by using rigged weights (Deuteronomy 25:16, Proverbs 11:1)
dishonesty (Proverbs 12:22)
pride (Proverbs 16:5)
unclean animals (Deuteronomy 14:3)
stealing, murder, and adultery, breaking covenants (Jeremiah 7:9,10)
usury, making unethical or immoral monetary loans that unfairly enrich the lender, oppressing the poor and needy, etc. (Ezekiel 18:10-13)
I think one of our main issues is that we accept "Christian" as a legitimate category of being. It isnt. There is no such thing as a christian, as in someone who follows christ. Yes we have people who are delusional and talk to imaginary friends to cope with trauma and anxiety, but the answer is not to just accept these people and their delusions, but to provide them with adequate psychiatric care.
Fkn bellend😒
There's something wrong with this guy (fr. casey) and when you call him out on his UA-cam page as I have, he releases a sad video on how people are picking on him. He doesn't understand that when you enter the public arena, you are opened up to criticism.
Many such cases. Unfortunately, you have to be strong to defend the faith and sometimes that means upsetting people when lines are crossed.
@@wungabunga For sure! This isn't the first time this priest has caused scandal, either.
I was already losing respect for Father Casey. With this I have lost it all
Not Father Casey “The Modernist” Cole again… 🙄
I appreciate the worldly nature of the Franciscans and their attempt to compromise with modernity but Fr Casey needs to afirm that a Catholic cannot compromise with sin!
Cole is just a product of secular influence on the faith. He's getting wrapped up in UA-cam Popularity and watering down opinions to prevent upsetting people
I totally agree! Full of himself and you tube popularity...well said!
The more I hear Catholics speak biblical truth, the more I like Catholicism. Feelings/tradition are good, but nothing stops a man dead in his tracks like the Word.
You should be Catholic 👍
@@Qwerty-jy9mj thanks for the invite, but no. I prefer sola scriptura. I don't think there's good evidence for the Catholic teachings on purgatory, the perpetual virginity of Mary, praying to anyone but God, and transubstantiation. But, if we can agree on the simple gospel of Jesus Christ, then that's enough for me.
@@dantheman909
The simple gospel implies obedience
@@dantheman909 That's a heresy from Martin Luther, who abandoned the true Catholic and singular Church Jesus Christ left us, and later committed suicide, which means he's in hell. I wouldn't want to follow his false teachings if you want to attain eternal salvation.
This is why I unsubscribed to father Casey's channel.
Yup
Father casey should repent and apologize publicly for leading people astray and causing scandal
Thank you for this video. The first 80% of Fr. Cole's video, I was like, "Fr. Cole is a heretic". The ending of the video doesn't justify the beginning.
I think that about SO many of Cole's videos, a very disturbing young man.
Cool to see you here! I'm a Catholic, but I watch your content from time to time. Interesting discussions
Fr. Casey seems to barely keep his feet on this side of the "technically doesn't constitute heresy" line. It's like he feels the need to be apologetic for maintaining church teaching
Father Casey is a problem in the Catholic Church. He leaves everything in a gray areas and doesn’t give clarity about the teachings of Christ. He almost seems to encourage sinful lifestyles in attempt to reach as many people as he can. At some point you have to be clear and make a stand, it’s up to people to make a decision on what they will follow.
Thank you Trent. I pretty much gave up on Fr. Casey when he basically said prisons should be eleminated since some current prisons are bad/evil. I watched his homosexual just to see how he could mess up that topic, kinda like watching a car wreak. I Pray his Bishop counsels Fr. Casey to get off social media.
Some prisons are for profit which means they’re run to make a private owner Profit while mandated contracts by the government, those should be illegal, as well as reformed but that’s got nothing to do with this.. well, besides the whole “being bubbas boytoy” in prison kinda thing.. shouldn’t laugh but it’s amusing slightly.
I think you're being a bit optimistic by assuming the bishop doesn't support him already. 😬😬😬
Casey is probably good friends with James Martin. That's my guess.
Spot on Trent! Fr. Casey has been in need of being called out on numerous occasions now. One of his videos on abortion was way off the Churches teaching. I personally think he enjoys confrontation.
Yeah Casey is off the tracks I stopped watching him like 3 -4 years ago when he made some weird statements and getting into trendy "gotcha" ambiguous videos.
I said to myself...I don't have time for this childish nonsense. I just need the Truth.
I think he enjoys attacking the Faith
So, Catholics do disagree on important issues like protestants do.
The story is always more complicated than portrayed. More disunity in Catholicism, more unity across protestant denominations than is often told of
In the comments of the Father's video I made the same criticism that you do in this video. It's great that you are making this video.
Father Casey is gracious for comments and humble if he needs to correct himself and interacts at times. No one on this site or others is perfect. Our egos and need to do well with the platform sometimes creep in I'm sure being human. He still preaches though and I'm glad he isn't swayed by hatred or condemnation. I say try to get to know someone well as much as you can. I've watched many videos of priests and some I click with, some are too gruff or dry. I don't write someone off on a video or two. I've never heard Fr Casey say anything wrong. Compassion is needed in our world. You don't have to sacrifice your belief to be empathetic.
I wonder how did you do it, the comment section under Fr. Casey’s video is “unavailable”😅
@@workinprogress-ye5or: Well, the closing of the comments’ section under Fr. Cole’s video speaks volumes and not to his credit, unfortunately.
We need to pray for the clergy, from the very top to the very bottom of the hierarchy, the demands for the chosen sons are higher than for anybody else.
@@user-rz7cm2we3xIt was available when he released the video. What a pity that the comments are blocked. In the comments there were people recommending Trent videos, so that they could be better informed.
@@workinprogress-ye5orThe argument is criticized, not the people. The Father is a good person with good intentions, but perhaps the theological training by his order is not the best.
Normal men have never been in favor of the LBGQt+ and still don’t. Birds of a feather flock together.
Since when is being celibate normal?
Fr Casey should just become an Episcopal priest at this point
The catholic faith is a beautiful faith
And yet Rome will do nothing to allow this heresy to run around unfettered.
@@JorgeMakesFilmsyes but Fr Casey would be .... free to be his true and _fabulous_ self as an Episcopalian 🌈🏳️🌈
I swear I always was skeptical about Fr. Casey. Just gave me too many woke vibes. Glad to say my instincts were vindicated.
Reminds me of the pastor whose congregation complained he was too “woke” after preaching on the Sermon on the Mount.
@@OldMotherLogo Press x to doubt. No way a whole congregation does not know one of the most famous passages in Christianity.
The problem with this video is it takes snippets from Fr. Casey and offers criticism without the full context. It is better to reach out and request to have an actual discussion/debate on the topic if you think his position is “WRONG”. Your caption comes off as clickbait.
I think he very clearly articulated his point. The Bible is clear about homosexuality being abnormal because it never mentions it in a normal context.
This is a weak argument, he dismissed all good arguments to make us rely on a weak one. He knows that if we relied on his argument it wouldn't take much time for people to accept homosexual unions more in more in Catholic circles. That's his idea.
But then he also said that 'normal' homosexual relationships didn't exist in those times. Thereby giving a good reason not to expect this kind of relationship to be shown. And therefore defeating the one argument against homosexuality he gave in his video. And he used most of the video to tear down any other biblically based argument against the topic. While his counterarguments, as Trent has shown, are very weak.
So no, there's nothing orthodox about this video of Fr Casey.
@@CezzyHaag It's the usual attempt to weaken the church's and biblical stance against homosexuality. Trying to cast doubt that the new testament ever speaks clearly against it. It does.
@@CezzyHaag The bible is like a written history of the world. It not being in the bible and not being common at the time point to the fact that it was never normal. Obviously it's abnormal for two people of the same sex to be in union because the parts don't fit. The fact that the bible doesn't give it the go ahead is enough, people get the rest...
@@CooperIrving-z5f "The parts don't fit"
So sex is exclusive to conceiving children then?
I watched a different video of Fr Casey’s and knew he was not going to be my cup of tea. I’m not surprised to see this video at all.
The biggest passage for me is not one that says "homosexuality is wrong" but the one in wich Jesus said that a man and a woman will be united to form one flesh.
It shows what God wants and has created for the union of two people in marriage to form a family
Then obviously a celibate priesthood is unnatural and against God’s law. I agree.