Henry Chester the Lazer sword is Not only weak but ineffective and inefficient against Star Trek. Also your tie fighters and Millennium Falcons has no Chance against the USS. Enterpise NCC-1701-D because it’s phasers can easily penetrate Star Wars shields, literally any Star Wars shield has no match for Star treks shields. Star Wars is a joke, all it is, is stupid battle ships that look like they took out of the u.s navy and made a space version of it. Also Star Wars is joke because they run around with swords like it’s the medieval days. Everyone is Star Wars are Barbaric and uncivilized. Star Trek is actually realistic unlike Star Wars. Not only that but Star Wars ships can’t activate their hyperdrive when ever they want while Star Trek ships can enter warp speed at any time they want. Star Trek is a 53 year old series of movies and shows and still to this day making more and more trek while Star Wars is a 42 year old series of movies and shows but Star Wars is beginning to fade away. Without Star Trek there would be no Star Wars because Star Wars was inspired by Star Trek. So your argument is mute.
I think it could work. It would be a comedy / slapstick themes film. It would be a film made purely for fun and wouldn't be canonical obviously. Maybe they could do it in a animated form? It seems highly, highly unlikely it will happen. At least for now. In future maybe, as studios become less fragmented. Who knows, maybe Disney will buy Star Trek one day?
They should make 2 movies about the same event just from different perspectives, one could be "Star Trek XIV: Star Wars" and the other could be "Star Wars episode IX: Crossover"
Hands down, this is the best Star Trek vs. Star Wars video in terms of respecting both sides. You can debate the exact balancing (for instance, I highly doubt the Enterprise could take out a Super Star Destroyer), but the video clearly didn't mock either side.
Actually, both vessels in their universes are reported of being capable of similar feats (scotching planet surface - e.g. Starfleet General Order 24) - but they are just vastly different. Federation and most of ST ships more flexible shielding and I'd say superior ship to ship weapon, maneuverability and are capable of all aspect firing. Star Destroyers are bigger, slower but in addition to strong if inflexible shielding carry substantial armour, but have firepower focused forward. TIE fighters - no match for Federation capital ship. Sensors - comparable. However, Imperial Fleet obviously has advantage in strategic mobility but tactially - well creative use of transporters.... and overall, Starfleet has more competent commanders than typical imperial run-of-the-mill captain.
the enterprise should have shrugged everything till the death star hit her and that should have been what collapsed her shields because 8472's bioship weapons could blow up a planet and since the enterprises shield are stronger then voyagers and voyagers shield could take an 8472 hit before collapsing the enterprise should be able to at least take one death start hit before hers failed as well and then they should use the death star run from star trek Picard season 3 episode 10 to have the enterprise go for the death stars reactor
What I like about this video is that it doesn't disrespect either franchise, in fact in my eyes is probably the most accurate scenario that could happen if the Empire collided with the Enterprise. It's also not tongue in cheek as so many other videos seem to be. I don't really care for those.
Who's watching this in 2019? This is still so funny and it even has a end credit scene! Kinda.... the PC specs were so awesome, such a laff and the past hehe
I remember this video back in 2006. Unemployed, no life, no school, no car, no girlfriend, no nothing. Just me, my internet friends, all night gaming in Starcraft Broodwar with MSN voice chat.
I remember when I first saw this video, I only knew the Star Wars things and knew nothing about Star Trek. Now I have watched all of the Star Trek movies, Voyager, TNG, DS9 and Enterprise.
+Ooty Outram Remastered Making a movie like this would be *dangerous*. If word gets out that the Empire committed an act of aggression against the United Federation of Planets, they could sympathize and join forces with the Rebellion.
Windurster I know, it is interesting though to see what each side come up with next. hell maybe battlestar glactica fans will intrude for god knows what
Just from a numbers perspective, Star Trek would defeat any Star Wars ship handily. For one thing, Star Trek impulse speed is hundreds of times faster than Star Wars sub-light speed, two Star Trek phasers outrange Star Wars lasers by a couple orders of magnitude, AND are capable of pinpoint accuracy down to a single meter, at ranges of hundreds of thousands of kilometers. And on top of that, the energy output is way higher too So what this means is that any Star Trek ship could stay well outside Star Wars weapons range, easily remain out of range with zero effort, while just leisurely sniping away. Most TIEs aren't even shielded. Even if you had a fleet of Star Destroyers with every TIE fighter, bomber, and interceptor deployed, a SINGLE Federation ship could wipe the floor with them and wouldn't even need to go to red alert. Not to mention the Empire is bound to Hyperspace lanes, while Star Trek ships have full freedom of movement thanks to Warp drive. Now granted, Hyperspace travel is WAY faster, which is the only advantage SW has... But it's like comparing a bullet train to a car. Sure the bullet train will get you to a specific destination faster, but you're limited to whatever is on a lane. This means the Imperial tactic of blockading Hyperspace lanes would be fundamentally ineffective, like putting a lock on your fence to try and keep out birds.
EmpiricalPragmatist Star Wars ships always, and I repeat *always* fight at visual range. Transporters have a range of tens of thousands of kilometers. Star Wars ships would never even know what hit them.
drksideofthewal "Star Wars ships always, and I repeat always fight at visual range." Uh, and Star Trek ships don't? I can only think of one exception, and that was when firing at a stationary target, which today's missiles can do... "Star Wars ships would never even know what hit them" Yes, because nothing _would_ hit them. Transporters can be blocked/rendered thoroughly inoperable by anything from shields and super-dense materials to ambient radiation. SW ships have all three of those things, plus high levels of jamming interference, so you're smoking your socks if you think it's reasonable to assume transporters would just work on them. Seriously, why is it so hard for Trekkies to think these things through?
EmpiricalPragmatist "Uh, and Star Trek ships don't? I can only think of one exception, and that was when firing at a stationary target, which today's missiles can do..." Most of the time, Star Trek ships don't fight at visual range. That's just clever editing. Sometimes they do, but unlike Star Wars, they have the option not to. For example, In the TNG episode "The Wounded" the USS Phoenix engaged Cardasian warships at 300,000 kilometers. I repeat, Star Wars ships have *never* engaged at beyond visual range. They're incapable of it. "Yes, because nothing would hit them. Transporters can be blocked/rendered thoroughly inoperable by anything from shields and super-dense materials to ambient radiation." Shields? Star Wars ships don't run with their shields up all the time, only when they sense danger. Radiation? Star Wars ships don't emit massive amounts of radiation. Certainly not enough to disrupt a transporter signal. Super dense material? A Star Destroyer's hull isn't any thinker, or denser, than the hull of a Borg Cube, which transporters can beam through. Take those excuses, and throw them out the window. "Seriously, why is it so hard for Trekkies to think these things through?" This made me LOL. Hypocritical humor is the best. ;)
drksideofthewal "Star Trek ships don't fight at visual range. That's just clever editing" Please tell me that was a joke. You see the ships face to face *all the time*. Just about touching noses. Your example of TNG: _The Wounded_ is the ONLY exception. Trying to pretend it's just one of many cases is disingenuous. "but unlike Star Wars, they have the option not to" That's also rubbish. If they could engage at longer range, why on Earth wouldn't they? Because they suffer from a lack of firepower, accuracy, or more likely both, at any greater ranges than the 1-2 kms we see them engage at all the time. "Shields? Star Wars ships don't run with their shields up all the time, only when they sense danger." An enemy ship on an intercept course _is_ danger. Besides, some shields run full time, such as the one covering the Endor moon. "Radiation? Star Wars ships don't emit massive amounts of radiation. Certainly not enough to disrupt a transporter signal. " And what do you base that claim on, pray? Sucking your thumb? Actually, in Star Wars broad-spectrum signal jamming is commonplace. Jamming is never even mentioned in Trek, and on the rare occasion that some alien of the week blocks their transporter signal, they act as if it's some weird unconventional tactic. This child-like innocence and naiveté makes them totally unused to dealing with the kind of jamming that makes the Rebellion unable to get a shield reading on the DS II in Episode VI. "Super dense material? A Star Destroyer's hull isn't any thinker, or denser, than the hull of a Borg Cube, which transporters can beam through." Again, complete thumb-suck. An ISD's hull is neutronium impregnated. You don't get anything denser than that outside a black hole. Got anything besides made-up nonsense to add?
My real issue isn't Star Trek vs Star Wars, it's the fight between the fans. First, let's accept that they are both completely different shows. Star Wars is a Fairy tale, written by George Lucas who admits he had no idea how large the Galaxy really was or even how fast light would travel in a year. His focus wasn't the technical side, but was completely story driven. It was a story of good versus evil and he told it in a way that so many people, including me, could relate to and enjoy. George had no idea HOW the Millennium Falcon could go so fast, or even what .10 past the speed of light translated to. He Wrote a story that was larger than a single world and therefor has to have space ships in it to fully tell his story. That said, the story of Star Wars, the First three released being the ones I love most and the ones I reference for this comment, is one that is timeless, as I was there on day one, when it hit theaters and am still here to see the story finally "end". Now, Star Trek is almost completely opposite. Star Trek: The Original Series Creator Gene Roddenberry spent years talking to NASA about Lasers, phasers, Warp Drives and every other theoretical space ship design and components to make the show stand up to the scrutiny he knew it was going to face. Even today, Top scientists in space travel and even Quantum Physics cannot find fault with Gene's original ship design. Even his explanation of how the ships travels far faster than the speed of light holds up against scrutiny. The Story falls to the ship and the hope of the Human Race actually coming together and exploring this Galaxy. The Story, even down to the personal ones, spent much of the time showing what could be, and little else. There wasn't a set of story lines like in Star Wars, no good versus evil, no Knights (Jedi Knights) and no strong story to rest on. Yes, there are stories, but they last about what, 40 minutes each? So, Star Wars and Star Trek are only the same type of show if you count them both being in space. If you go by Technology, Star Trek wins only by the facts. The Show is bases completely on technological facts or Probabilities. He developed "Warp Drive" that, in Theory, would allow a ship to travel at speeds well above the speed of light without traveling backwards in time. The Voyage Home accented this theory quite well. So, in closing, they are two completely different shows with two completely different agendas. Star Wars was story driven, and driven beautifully as I still go to it at least twice a year, and Star Trek, which is Tech. Driven, and driven well enough that Gene's Ideas still hold up since the 1960s when the show first aired.
@@gokulkrishm51 star trek does it both for me. I roll my eyes whenever they start babbling about the force in star wars... Am I the only one who wants to know how the fighters and starships actually work in star wars?
''Star Trek Federation power generation technology is extremely limited. None of their battlestations are mobile, their starship power generation systems are extremely inefficient, and even the most optimistic quantifications of their power generation systems indicate that their power output is less than 1% of a Star Destroyer's power output. Even a heavily-armed space station like DS9 is limited to terawatt-range power generation, based on deuterium fusion. Starships are limited to mere gigawatt-range power output! They have been unable to produce planetary shields or move planets as we have, and their crewmembers appear to have very poor scientific knowledge (based on their repeated mistakes).''
I remember back in 2010- 2012 there were bunch of Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans that would argue over specs all day and all night like they didn’t have a life and that they would spam or dislike each other’s comments so that their point wouldn’t show. It was wild 😂
Commander1991NOR Data would just shut it down and move the ship out of range and then blast the destroyer since they can't maneuver worth a damn..\ #SittingDucks
You can outmaneuver a star destroyer perhaps but you cannot outmaneuver the force. s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c4/51/ea/c451eaf8fd9fb37c1b1b9b0fd2ff66d0.jpg
Kåre Helgesen I know you are a trekkie but let me explain it to you.Rocks and metal does not have midi-chlorians in them yet they can still be manipulated by the force. The midi-chlorian count just allows you to use the force(when in high concentration).Eventhough the star trek universe don't have midi-chlorians does not mean that the force won't work. As long as darth vader has midi-chlorians in his body he can tap into the force and manipulate all things being organic or non-organic.
Commander1991NOR I don't mind using Kare's logic for the debate, but by the same token there is no Q Continuum in the SW galaxy therefore no Q can exert any influence either. This basically means trekkies are *&#_@ed anyway.
l watched this as a kid, my step dad was a star trek geek, l was like did you ever see the episode where they fight ppl in star wars, he looked at me all crazy 😂😂
+The Ninth Doctor war has changed, its no longer fought on battle zones, but now in youtube comment sections, and thru fanboys with bullshit instead of soldiers and weapons
This is one of the first videos I remember watching online. I absolutely love Picard's face at 4:27. He's just like..."who the fuck is this guy?" I also like to think that the music actually blasts through the speakers while the Emperor talks, and it's not just bad editing. Also, 6:40. Cmd. *Ricker*? *Vador*? *Sithious*? Okay that last one is kinda cool...
Very cool! Such a neat way you mixed it, I am impressed. It looks like it came right out of the 1980's! [Haha, I know it's poor quality, but it made it better to me.]
Darth Vader could just kill Picard and everyone on the bridge just by seeing them on the view screen and using his force choke, or possibly mind trick Worf into going on a killing spree.
star wars fighters are powered by power cells and can output 64 000 gw for their main guns while star trek ships are powered by antimatter and their shields fail at 400 gw. That example alone shows how star wars reactors are much more advanced than anything seen in star trek. star wars engineers can take any power source and make it much more powerful than anything star trek enginners can come up with antimatter. Thats impressive.
clearly idazmi fails to realize antimatter would generate insufficient energy for what the death star did to alderaan. Hypermatter makes sense where fusion and antimatter do not.
what failed argument? I don't see star trek blowing apart shielded planets in an instant while sending roughly 1/3rd of its mass thousands of kilometers backwards. Bolth thierry and I have stated on numerous occasions that turbolasers are not simply lasers. Guess you forgot that along the course of this debate and now all of a sudden you think it's relevent, no shit sherlock it's not a laser.
Correction: The Defiant class is far smaller than the ~625m Galaxy Class, (not sure of the dimensions exactly), so not quite. What IS fun, though, is that they can't dodge one that's moving at a measly +-12m/s! :) Also fun to compare the manoeuvering abilities of the photon torpedoes with Luke's ANH one, which made a 72,000g, 90 degree turn. :)
It should have ended at 1:01 - vader just reaches out his hand, sqeezes it and captain whatever his name is just chokes and dies. Both series are awesome but i prefer the geeky coolness of star wars. Both awesome though
regaurdless of the facts about SW or ST, this movie while choppy(completely fair considering all the splicing that went on) was masterfully done, and very fun to watch, thank you. and keep up with it
Gramps ford torpedoes in star trek never had the need to make a 72,000g turn. Think of the logistics of what it took for Luke's torpedo to go into the exhaust port and not touch anything on the way down. the torpedo entering the exhaust port with its nose point down at 90 degrees parallel to the walls of the port would be crucial. The torpedo in star trek VI would not have been blocked by anything. All they had to do was hit a roughly 400m ship so they can lock on to it with other torpedoes. Luke had to send a perfectly aligned torpedo through a 2m wide exhaust port all the way to the reactor. There was also a giant neutronium tower directly above the port. Furthermore, wedge stated that his equipment could see the tower but not the port. This was probably do to powerful jamming or some method the tower could use to hide a heat signature. Luke's torpedo had very little space to maneuver into the correct angle. This is the entire reason for the trench run in the first place. I don't know how I can make this any more simple for you. If you still don't like the fact that luke's torpedo did something seemingly impossible the force is "broken". Luke used no targeting computer to pull off the feat either. it was a deus ex machine plot device in every sense of the definition.
The Federation has the techknowledgy to disassemble atoms and reassemble atoms to the exact same form and transport those atoms across space at the same time,once the shields were down which wouldn't be a problem as Han Solo hot wired the freaking shield generator doors open,after he got there to the planetary surface with no problem the Feds could take out the shield generator with a phaser strike from outer space ,the Feds could beam a photon torpedo to the exact same spot Lukes torpedo …or they could use the same tech they used in the beaming process to guide the torpedoes
Operator it wasn't a shielded planet Han Solo got in there,and they could beam a torpedo along the same route Lukes shot were fired beam it through the exhaust port and along the route ,if a transporter can dissemble atoms and reassemble them it can disassemble a live torpedo and beam it to or along what ever coordinates it were programed ,the Feds have shown the ability to think outside the box
MadnessIncTV It had to be a shielded planet otherwise the rebel capital ships would have done this static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060824051144/starwars-exodus/images/6/6f/Base-Delta-Zero.jpg rather than using imperial codes to bypass the shield and take it out on the inside. Also what makes you think they can bypass something they have never been shown to bypass onscreen. Even granite gives them trouble.
Operator 1, Han Solo got onto the planet and 2 Han Solo got right up to the shield generator,what powerful sensors around the shield generator doorway around the shield generator period, anybody getting with in miles of such an important piece of equipment means the security is severely lacking just on a basic level, never mind the fact a saboteur and a whole band of Ewoks could be swarming around it, all your claims make no sense
Han Solo needed a stolen shuttle with imperial codes to even get on the planet and Vader gave the order to lower the shield. They wouldn't have even been on the planet if that didn't happen. Why even bother with the ordeal if the endor moon did not have a shield that could prevent any bombardment? Given your lack of a coherent answer to this question I'd say your point makes no sense, as usual. "anybody getting with in miles of such an important piece of equipment means the security is severely lacking just on a basic level" -the moon of endor was actually part of a protected planet treaty and considered a lot like a national park. There were natives walking around everywhere, a bunch of sensor pings would have probably turned out to be animals or native hunting parties. As a result, sensor grids were probably never installed and instead the imperials relied on the orbital defense grid to stop a direct attack. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Planetary_shield Star trek weapons would never pierce that since star wars shields do not fail at a low 400GW
The good memories watching this on an ol crappy vista dell desktop with its aesthetic and then my first videos I see is this.. well made, and nostalgic too. Dang it’s been so long
Conclusion Federation shield technology is clearly in the low megaton range for resistance. The evidence for this is simply overwhelming, regardless of whether you employ the TM or not, and since Imperial shields are rated at a much higher level, there is really no contest at all. The high-megaton and gigaton-class missile weapons of a patrol craft like Slave-1 could effortlessly destroy any Federation warship with a direct hit, to say nothing of the much heavier weapons on an Imperial capital ship.
Man. I love Star Trek, and Star Wars. I've never identified as either. But that shit is crazy. Sure, I can see the Enterprise maybe taking down an Imperial Star Destroyer.. but the Death Star? The motherfuckin' Death Star!? Nah man. If Picard hadn't ordered the Enterprise to leave, they'd have been deader than fried chicken.
To quote a Star Trek TNG episode: "Captain, they are now locking lasers on us." "Lasers?" "Yes, sir." "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields"
MadnessIncTV it does not matter if the EU is canon or not. All the screen evidences already suggest that star wars ships are indeed way superior to star trek ships. After all star wars shields fail at 70 trillon gw while star trek shit shields fail at a low 400 gw according to Worf. Photon torps are limited to 64 megatons while a star destroyer can fire 200 gigaton per shot. And list goes on and on just using screen evidences. Using the EU is just overkill.
I would have to agree that it would be over kill if you use the EU, but I also have to agree with Idazmi7. The shield strength is never mentioned in the movies, but that is because Star Destroyers were well known for being powerful. Now with the Tie Fighter....well...yeah they are cheep, but Tie Bombers pact a major punch with or without the EU.
Thierry Saint-Jour using on screen evidence both ST and SW weapons are sub Kiloton at best (Except for the scene when the ISD destroyed Asteroids in ESB)
If the Enterprise D was to be up against Star Wars powerhouses, it can be during the time Amanda Rogers - a Q shown as being in love with Riker - is aboard the ship. She's a Federation citizen, accepted to Starfleet Academy, serving internship at the time of the True Q episode. She can easily make the ship invulnerable to attack of any sort, since she'd have the incentive AND the means to do it.
Here an example of how powerful star wars ships are using screen evideces. ''A Star Destroyer used its light trench-mounted guns to vaporize 40 metre wide asteroids in TESB with 1/15-second bursts, resulting in a lower limit of 22,500 TW for light turbolaser output. Note that this only applies to light turbolasers. If the ratio of light to heavy turbolaser output is proportional to the size difference, then heavy turbolasers must therefore output roughly 2.8 million TW.'' Meanwhile in star trek, Riker cleary mentioned that his ship needed at least 125 photon torps to destroy an hollow asteroid. What a sad joke.
@@richardched6085 Yes, they needed at least 125 photon torpedoes to _collapse_ a hollow asteroid a few miles in diameter. The light point-defense systems on ISDs are _vapourizing_ 40m wide solid asteroids. Do you have any idea how much more energy that takes???
@@EmpiricalPragmatist those asteroids looked alot less than 40 Meters wide. Plus they weren't Vaporized (There was plenty of white hot debris fragments left over).
@@richardched6085 There is nothing visible left in less than half a second except gas. Also how exactly are you calculating the size of those asteroids? You do realize the ships in the background are 1.6 kms long right? (That's the small ones!)
@@EmpiricalPragmatist you are correct (just rewatched it lol). I wonder why the Empire never used such Megaton scale power when attacking ground targets.....
EmpiricalPragmatist LOL This is the extent of the damage you're capable of? And I thought I'd need to come slap you around a bit. Nevermind... go ahead about your business, slick.
Mr48GOAT Damage? Huh? I completely refuted his only point. What more do you want, a lecture on intellectual rigour? If you want to see damage, check out my thread with waveforceful. :)
Keep in mind, the Empire seems to need thousands, if not millions of ships while during the TOS era the Federation maintained all of federation space with 12 constitution class ships, that should tell anyone the kind of power they have... as the Texas Rangers say... "One riot, One ranger ".
Regarding Slave-1 weapons ''Krupx Munitions' Void-7 seismic charge comprised a large, rounded canister containing a mix of unstable liquid baradium and volatile collapsium gas. This mix became supercharged by two electromagnetic exciter disks on either end of the weapon's core. Once released into space, these disks would infuse the core with energized impulses to excite the blended explosives. The Void-7's explosion was characterized by a powerful implosion followed by an expanding energy wave of massive power roughly equivalent to 12 gigatons of TNT, enough to decimate large asteroids in the rings surrounding Geonosis. Only the Shields on a capital ship could protect against a Void-7 shock wave. The explosive mix within a Void-7 could be altered to produce a shock wave that caused less collateral damage than the baradium-collapsium mix.'' 12 gigatons while star trek photon are limited to 64 megatons. star trek weapons = sad joke. Oh and Kyle stop denying screen evidences. Everybody can see that these ''rocks'' were asteroids dense guys so yeah thats a proof. And where are your evidences to defeat my points ? Hum. oh wait you have none since you cannot even back up a single of your points with evidences. I bet you are going to say that star trek shields dont fail at 400gw when Worf cleary stated so right ? Tourist ...
***** Lol Idazmi, lets say we all concede the Enterprise has enough firepower to destroy the entire planets surface "multiple times over"... thats *still* orders of magnitude less energy than the DS's superlaser, which is enough to destroy a planet a "million times over", as evidenced by the violence of Alderaans destruction: 250 sextillion megatons ... the firepower of the Death Star
Firmus Piett I remember in that episode Spock cleary said that the Planet Killer was still consuming the planet when it fired on the enterprise suggesting that the Planet Killer was not even at full power when it attacked the enterprise.
The reason why Idazmi7 and myself would say 'The Death Star' wouldn't kill a Star Trek starship is simple. It is inefficient and clearly wouldn't work forever in Star Treks' universe. Apparently, none of these fools cared to watch the 'Star Trek Enterprise' series. A Xindi probe sphere does the same thing. See! Escalation works completely different in Star Trek. Star Wars uses it as a symbol of status and such. Star Trek uses it to show differences, to become the better person, and to expand their knowledge. Thus ending the debate!
Thierry Saint-Jour Indeed, Spock even said that it came from outside the galaxy. It's systems may have been malfunctioning from being in the void for a while. Is it clear how long Decker's ship was floating about before Kirk found him? The doomsday machine probably used a chain reaction which wasn't as effective on star ship materials.
Sign I've been watching too many "Fair Use Parody Recuts": immediately after Palpatine orders "fire at Will Commander!" I want Picard to say "Now!" and Riker to be beamed out into space, to absorb the shot from the Death Star
I love this debate, but honestly Star Wars Fanboys with no regard for Federation tech irritate me. Not to mention most of the biased group against Star Trek usually don't even know their EU history nor do they realize the numerous flaws the Empire contains
I know right? Like reactor cores with no dead man's switch devices, that routinely blow up their own ships, and elite bridge crews who don't know the difference between joules and watts. Oh, wait, that's all Star Trek...
EmpiricalPragmatist At least Star Trek TRIES to support their weaponry. Star Wars gives us ridiculous power outputs for millennia old weapons that somehow still surpass the modern day imperial tech. Seriously, that's why i don't buy into the whole x-wing vs enterprise argument its freaking BS the rebel proton torpedo (which is outfitted with a nuclear warhead) is claimed to be more powerful than the Photon torpedo (powered by antimatter) there's no contest here
Bob Jeankins The photon torpedo is stated to have a maximum payload of 1.5 kgs of matter and the same amount of anti-matter, giving a theoretical maximum yield of roughly 64 megatons. This is only about 10% larger than the yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest *real* thermonuclear warhead detonated to date. (Though possibly not the largest _constructed_). It is hardly unrealistic to think that a society as advanced as the Alliance could significantly improve on our 1960s technology. Also, where did you read that the proton torpedo was a nuclear weapon? Also, most Imperial firepower figures are based on generously pessimistic scaling of the firepower demonstrated by the Death Star and in the TESB asteroid vapourization scenes.
EmpiricalPragmatist In a Star Wars vehicle encyclopedia. Great book, had tech from the EU as well. You see that's what I mean, There's always methods to improve nuclear weaponry, but there is absolutely no contest when it comes to nuclear vs antimatter. Starfleet vessels operate under the source and scan destroy planets singlehandedly without the need for a huge super weapon. Don't forget the Genesis torpedo's available for mass production. And those aside, it has been implied many times throughout the series Starfleet posses the power to destroy or eradicate life on planets. The reason they do not is because they are rarely involved in total war and the ethical and moral transgression this would infringe upon in the prime directive. Starfleet also has the ability of time travel, increased speed, manverability and versatility, and pretty much every other 'strategic' advantage. Just from reading the "Art of War" by Sun Tzu, its easy to derive there is really no contest. in a full scale war the logistics and strategy of Starfleet would decimate the Empire.
Bob Jeankins "but there is absolutely no contest when it comes to nuclear vs antimatter" Firstly, I should point out that it's not the _method_ that will have the greatest impact on your power generation, but rather the _efficiency_. The idea that all or even most of your payload matter will actually undergo fission/fusion/annihilation is only theoretical, and getting that to be practical is what would really count, since most of the matter is scattered before it can be used. Thus advances in efficiency could easily outweigh whether you're using thermo-nuclear of M/AM reaction warheads. Secondly, if you want to compare power generation methods, you have to remember that the Death Stars employed a hypermatter reactor, pulling reactor fuel directly into the reactor from anywhere in space. That's always going to beat both the methods mentioned above. "Starfleet vessels operate under the source and scan destroy planets singlehandedly without the need for a huge super weapon" They can not. There is one episode where they worry that they could wipe out _all life_ on the planet (and that only due to a highly volatile atmosphere that they might set off), but never any mention of destroying the planet itself. "Don't forget the Genesis torpedo's available for mass production" Forget it? Where is that mentioned? How come they never used them? Don't say ethics, because Section 31 would've used them during the Dominion and Borg wars anyway *if they could*. "this would infringe upon in the prime directive" The prime directive only even applies to pre-warp civilizations... "Starfleet also has the ability of time travel, increased speed, manverability and versatility, and pretty much every other 'strategic' advantage" Nonsense. Time travel is so risky that it's done more often by accident than on purpose, it has a very short time range, and it is never used to solve problems like wars _ever_. Clearly of limited use. As for speed, SW ships travel between their galactic core and the outer rim in less than a day usually, whereas Voyager (one of the fastest Fed ships of its time) took _75 years_ and an entire series to crawl across *one quadrant of the galaxy*, even with the aid of wormholes, experimental techs, and the occasional shove from a god-like being! SW ships MASSIVELY outpace ST ships, and could bypass Fed ships without even fighting them, and bombard their pitifully defended home-worlds (all 150 of them) into submission before their defense fleets could even catch up, effectively winning the war before it's even started. Now *that* is more like Sun Tzu's Art of War!
Regarding TNG : Pegasus "Since the Devolin asteroid field is proto-planetary matter rather than a pulverized planet (like the Hoth asteroid field) and its asteroids are obviously not well-consolidated (since the asteroid in question was hollow), there is a
That's not really proof, but if it makes you happy go ahead and believe it. And I wouldn't really call the rocks that Slave 1's seismic charge destroyed asteroids. Each one of them was about 1/1000 of the asteroid in "The Pegasus".
Come close to what? Weapons that make photon torpedoes look like children's toys? Been there, done that....... Tell ya what, play KOTOR for the PC. I hear its only $20 now. Pick up a copy, and you'll see how off the bat, the Sith Empire that fights the Republic has cruises whose shots cause large explosions that can be seen from orbit. Dialogue from the characters indicates that it's a typical power of the nations at the time. One character on your party, the Mandalorian Canderous Ordo, wiped out a whole city riding on the back of a war droid. A terrorist named Lorgal you meet in a special quest talks about how Republic war heroes butcher millions with a mighty warship. In the second game, you have a clan of Ubese fighters who hate the Jedi because the Republic bombed their home world into a radioactive ball, the Republic did nothing. The only reason the Imps didn't do that left and right in the movies is because they OWN the civilized planets in the galaxy, and rebel strongholds have planetary shields.
The star destroyers could have caught up with the Enterprise in seconds and finished the job. Remember, the Galactic Empire stretched across an entire Galaxy, meaning travel from one side to the other was relatively fast. In Star Trek, the federation has only explored a small percentage of the galaxy, with the Delta, Gamma and other quadrants of the galaxy unexplored due to speed and distance issues, decades or even centuries to reach the rest of the galaxy.
Star wars fighters can do the job just fine bro. Star destroyers are overkill for these weak and pathetic star trek ships. Here some numbers proving how star wars fighters are superior to star trek capital ships : Star Wars: Slave-1 Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output) Star Trek: Enterprise-D Main phasers: 3.6 GW Star Wars: Slave-1 Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons) Star Trek: Enterprise-D Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical Star Wars: Slave-1 Sublight acceleration: 2500G Star Trek: Enterprise-D Sublight acceleration: 1000G Star Wars: Slave-1 Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar). Star Trek: Enterprise-D Operational range: 2750 light-years Star Wars: Slave-1 Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar) Star Trek: Enterprise-D Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peak Star Wars: Slave-1 Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar) Star Trek: Enterprise-D Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6 Star Wars: Slave-1 Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c) Star Trek: Enterprise-D Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6)
They could not attack in hyperspace, they would only drop out of it and see the enterprise outrun them with warp. The enterprise could flee to the fleet and engage with them. Now, since both factions live in diferent galaxies and the enterprise has found the death star, we can asume the federation found a means of intergalactic travel. What happens afterwards? Yay for meaningles discussions!
panstriato2 ''As seen in Dark Empire, it is possible for a Star Destroyer to change course in hyperspace. The Emancipator did exactly this, by tracking an Imperial starship's communications transmissions and altering course so that it would be heading on a collision course. The Emancipator dropped out of hyperspace only a few kilometres away from the target vessel, and opened fire with all forward weapons. This is a devastating method of attack, facilitated by the Federation's tendency to continually broadcast active subspace scanning signals. The Federation has some prior experience with enemies that suddenly appear without warning: the Romulans and Klingons employ their cloaking devices to achieve similar effects, and they have both been highly effective.'' And cloaking tech does exist in the star wars galaxy.
''Transporters present vulnerabilities of their own. We learned in "When the Bough Breaks" and "Realm of Fear" that they are better at insertion than extraction, hence the common practice of sending men from one ship's transporter pad to another ship's transporter pad, hence tying the two systems together. We learned in "Skin of Evil" and "Tin Man" that telekinetic forcefields can block transporters completely. We learned in "Symbiosis", "Suspicions", and "Quality of Life" that they are erratic, unreliable, and sometimes completely useless in the presence of ionizing electromagnetic radiation. We learned in "Royale" that an environmental containment forcefield can block transporters even when it permits communications to pass through. We learned in "Ensigns of Command" that transporters don't function in entire star clusters where "hyperonic radiation" is present (although no one knows what hyperonic radiation is) and that they can be rendered useless by the mere presence of certain unusual subatomic particles. We learned in "The Enemy" and "Power Play" that transporters don't work through naturally occurring atmospheric electrical storms. We learned in "The Hunted" that a sudden movement can disrupt a transporter beam. We learned in "The High Ground" that transporter locks are more difficult than simple visual acquisition, ie- it's possible for something to be visible to the naked eye but impossible to acquire with a transporter sensor system. We learned in "The Most Toys" that certain substances can't be transported at all. We learned in "Legacy" that the electromagnetic fields generated by an ordinary electrical transformer can prevent transport locks, and that they can't transport through 2 km of solid granite under any circumstances. We learned in "Second Chances" and "Final Mission" that the natural fields emanating from certain inhabitable planets or moons can prevent transporter use completely. We learned in "The Host" that transporters put stress on the transported subject, and that it may therefore be dangerous to transport wounded personnel. We learned in "Darmok" that an energetic ionosphere can block transporters. We learned in "Hero Worship" that they can't transport through "victurium alloy" bulkheads, thus leading to the obvious question of what other materials are opaque to transporters at that thickness. We learned in "Schisms" that transporters don't work in the presence of nucleonic radiation. We learned in "True Q" and "Lessons" that atmospheric ionization can prevent transporter use entirely. We learned in "Descent Part 2" that all of the transporters on the entire USS Enterprise can only transport people at an average rate of 1 person per second. We learned in "Pegasus" that there are dangers associated with transport through large amounts of solid matter. We learned in "The Chase" that tractor beams interfere with transporters, and worse yet, we learned in "Attached" that a cunning enemy can use tractor beams to redirect a transporter beam to an arbitrary spot of their choosing!'' Star wars dense armors, powerful shields and jammers would render transporters useless. Hell star wars engines emit ion particles and that would render transporters useless too. And star wars ships could use their tractor beams to send any star trek torps back to these fucking idiots star trek officers. ^^
Another example using screen evidences. ''TESB asteroid field. The TESB novelization described a "steady rain" of asteroids, and Anakin Skywalker: The Story of Darth Vader said that "turbolaser gunners blasted the largest rocks; those they missed impacted against the bow shields like multi-megaton compression bombs." We can see from the film that the ships were taking impacts at the rate of at least 1 asteroid per second if not more, and we know from the above quote that the asteroids were striking with several megatons of energy each. Furthermore, the bombardment must have continued for at least 1 or 2 days because Vader had time to contact bounty hunters, who travelled from their various homebases to the Outer Rim while the fleet stayed in the field. Therefore, each ISD might have absorbed as much as 3E20 joules of kinetic energy while in the asteroid field.'' Meanwhile in star trek, star trek shields fail at a low 400 gw according to Worf. Tech superioty = star wars.
MadnessincTV R2D2 had plot shielding as well as the X-wings deflector shields to protect him at the battle of yavin. Luke even had R2 increase the power before he was hit by the glancing blow. Your point is invalid and useless much like the manual overrides on board a federation ship with computer systems that are infected with cheese.
Gramps Ford R2D2 was also protected by the X-wing's defenses. That's why he wasn't completely vaporized. In fact that is why he took less damage then C3P0 did from a hand blaster. Luke even had R2D2 increase the power and the force was also with them. It is also important to remember that star wars shields do not fail at a low 400GW.
When I was a kid, this was the first UA-cam video I ever seen.
+Dutch_Atlantic_13 jesus christ im old
+Charles Dodgson lol
+Charles Dodgson im not that old and it makes me feel old too
Sane here now I'm 24 ^_^
Lol...I'm so old...🙁
This is about the most diplomatic handling of Star Wars vs. Star Trek I've seen yet.
who is better now when it comes down to making money moviewise star wars or star trek
But yet Star Trek is better and it always will be better.
@@seankrueger3848 I mean, Kirk was using a flip phone in the sixties.
Star Wars; *LAZER SWORD*
Henry Chester the Lazer sword is Not only weak but ineffective and inefficient against Star Trek. Also your tie fighters and Millennium Falcons has no Chance against the USS. Enterpise NCC-1701-D because it’s phasers can easily penetrate Star Wars shields, literally any Star Wars shield has no match for Star treks shields. Star Wars is a joke, all it is, is stupid battle ships that look like they took out of the u.s navy and made a space version of it. Also Star Wars is joke because they run around with swords like it’s the medieval days. Everyone is Star Wars are Barbaric and uncivilized. Star Trek is actually realistic unlike Star Wars. Not only that but Star Wars ships can’t activate their hyperdrive when ever they want while Star Trek ships can enter warp speed at any time they want. Star Trek is a 53 year old series of movies and shows and still to this day making more and more trek while Star Wars is a 42 year old series of movies and shows but Star Wars is beginning to fade away. Without Star Trek there would be no Star Wars because Star Wars was inspired by Star Trek. So your argument is mute.
@@seankrueger3848 I wasn't arguing against you sorry if it came across that way. I'm a fan of trek.
I am Captain Jean-
GOOOOOD
Awesome
Your hate has made you powerful.
Darth Sidious; "I sense Patrick Stewart in the force"
@@henrychester1116 I would love to seen partirck stewart as a jedi
3:27 *you would think that guy standing there would knot to braise for impact if he heard them say they were firing.*
Can't believe this video 10 years old... I remember seeing it new
+Richard Noel Hedditch nah I was actually 9.
This was the first SW vs ST vid I ever watched and I saw it in the days it came out too! So grateful it wasn't taken down. :))
Me too. I was like, 14 or so.
Joseph Watson I saw the Lego version like 7 years ago
Joseph Watson I know!
3:33 Just once, when Picard told Worf to, "Fire at will." I wanted to see Worf say, "Aw, yes sir." then pull out his phaser and shoot Riker.
Steve Talon
But he never said "Fire at Wesley"
That Guy...Brian
Nothing wrong with Wil Wheaton. He's a great guy as far as I know.
That Guy...Brian
I see. But see then that would be Patrick telling Mike to shoot at Wil, not Picard telling Worf to shoot at Wil.
In the Harry Turtledove book The Guns of the South,when one Confederate says Fire at will, someone replied which one's Will?😁
Zulu (1964)... Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead : Fire at will! Pvt. Owen : That's very nice of him.
Every time the emperor interrupts Picard's intro with "GOOOOOD! Your hate has made you powerful!" I just start cracking up.
To be fair, Vader DID attack in an unprovoked manner.
I used to watch this over and over again.
"I am Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the U.S.S. Enter--"
"GOOOOOOOOD."
the Emperor has been expecting you🤣
This was really well put together, especially if you consider the fact it was done in 2006.
Oh man! Talk about an ultimate crossover movie. A real one would just kill at the box office!
You kidding? Both Wars and Trek fans will pay out the nose for such a film.
depends on who directs it. just sayin
I think it could work. It would be a comedy / slapstick themes film. It would be a film made purely for fun and wouldn't be canonical obviously. Maybe they could do it in a animated form?
It seems highly, highly unlikely it will happen. At least for now. In future maybe, as studios become less fragmented. Who knows, maybe Disney will buy Star Trek one day?
They should make 2 movies about the same event just from different perspectives, one could be "Star Trek XIV: Star Wars" and the other could be "Star Wars episode IX: Crossover"
I guess we have to wait until Disney buys Star Trek too
Coming Soon: Red Shirts vs. Stormtroopers
+Mindd Kidzag The stormtroopers will miss every shot, but the red shirts will die anyway
Phonixrmf "One stormtrooper will hit somebody, one red shirt will survive."
+Phonixrmf You win the internet for today, sir.
+Mindd Kidzag LOL
Mindd Kidzag you mean red coats
Hands down, this is the best Star Trek vs. Star Wars video in terms of respecting both sides. You can debate the exact balancing (for instance, I highly doubt the Enterprise could take out a Super Star Destroyer), but the video clearly didn't mock either side.
Now that I think about it; it actually does give both sides a fair chance
That's exactly why I love this video. There's no clear victor. It respects both sides.
Lennard Church I think we can both agree that Star Wars is way better!
Emperor Palpatine And then there's you
Actually, both vessels in their universes are reported of being capable of similar feats (scotching planet surface - e.g. Starfleet General Order 24) - but they are just vastly different. Federation and most of ST ships more flexible shielding and I'd say superior ship to ship weapon, maneuverability and are capable of all aspect firing. Star Destroyers are bigger, slower but in addition to strong if inflexible shielding carry substantial armour, but have firepower focused forward. TIE fighters - no match for Federation capital ship. Sensors - comparable. However, Imperial Fleet obviously has advantage in strategic mobility but tactially - well creative use of transporters.... and overall, Starfleet has more competent commanders than typical imperial run-of-the-mill captain.
What a brillant piece of art. I come back every now and then just to rewatch the whole thing, and I enjoy it alot.
Someone should make a remaster of this.
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the enterprise should have shrugged everything till the death star hit her and that should have been what collapsed her shields because 8472's bioship weapons could blow up a planet and since the enterprises shield are stronger then voyagers and voyagers shield could take an 8472 hit before collapsing the enterprise should be able to at least take one death start hit before hers failed as well and then they should use the death star run from star trek Picard season 3 episode 10 to have the enterprise go for the death stars reactor
I like the way the Enterprise shields go down three times in a row! Hehe
She's tougher than u think
Forget about the video, the real battle is in the comments!
😂
Star Trek: Battlefront
This is very well-made, and I think this should actually become an extra Star Trek episode.
What I like about this video is that it doesn't disrespect either franchise, in fact in my eyes is probably the most accurate scenario that could happen if the Empire collided with the Enterprise. It's also not tongue in cheek as so many other videos seem to be. I don't really care for those.
Travis Linton I like Star trek more but I agree.
Ootytwo Outram yeah I'm more of a Trek fan as well. Star Wars hasn't evolved as a franchise as Trek has.
Travis Linton I like both franchises but star trek is better not only for being a good thing itself but you get to know what chracters more.
Travis Linton Actually it's not being very accurate at all.
+Inimbrium why isn't it?
I literally remember watching this when I was just a kid. I can’t believe it’s still on UA-cam !!
notice how it takes almost an entire armada to fight with a science vessel
I noticed that, it was one star destroyer then the fleet at endor and then the Executor SSD
I would love to see a real Star Wars vs Star Trek movie. That would be badass.
+john tracy You'd think that at *one* point, there would have been some form of contact...
Now that JJ Abrams has directed a Star Trek and a Star Wars movie, it seems we're one step closer to that being a reality..
+CalicoSkies Very true. I had a dream that a star destroyer exploded from the USS Enterprise
Redshirted would die, by storm trooper hands. Makes perfect sense...
no because star wars takes place in the past well star trek takes place in the future
Surprisingly solid and balanced mashup
Who's watching this in 2019?
This is still so funny and it even has a end credit scene! Kinda....
the PC specs were so awesome, such a laff and the past hehe
I remember when this came out. Hard to imagine it's been like 13 years or w/e
I remember this, but the College Humor one is better
2022
The battle is so intense that Wesley had to change uniforms, and Worf's hair got longer then shorter then longer.
I remember this video back in 2006. Unemployed, no life, no school, no car, no girlfriend, no nothing. Just me, my internet friends, all night gaming in Starcraft Broodwar with MSN voice chat.
16 years ago. I think it’s time for an HD remake of this classic.
I remember seeing this video when it first came out.
It's aged like a fine wine.
18 years ago yet I'm impressed by the editing
This video has aged very well. Remember watching this when I was 21. (I'm 36 now.)
Yup I was 11 when this video came out now im 27 😂
2024 - 2025 Anyone???
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I remember when I first saw this video, I only knew the Star Wars things and knew nothing about Star Trek. Now I have watched all of the Star Trek movies, Voyager, TNG, DS9 and Enterprise.
Omg 10 years! I remember watching this when this just uploaded!
This would make a great movie if this actually happened.
Ooty Outram Remastered I agree.
+Ooty Outram Remastered Making a movie like this would be *dangerous*. If word gets out that the Empire committed an act of aggression against the United Federation of Planets, they could sympathize and join forces with the Rebellion.
@@Agent1W And the Rebellion will have a legit government backing them,and the Fed at least will get some "Force-Blessing".
It would be pretty one-sided. I mean the Enterprise is a research science vessel. The empire is all brilliant officers and battle-hardened Warriors.
Star Trek wins. Forever.
I don't think I've seen a UA-cam video that's still up after 17 years. And it's decent quality, especially for the time. Nice job.
Despite how old this video is, and the hardware limitations that had to be dealt with, this is still the best edited ST vs SW video I've seen to date.
Lol, the only real fight happens in the comments section, for two science-fiction movies rofl
Windurster I know, it is interesting though to see what each side come up with next. hell maybe battlestar glactica fans will intrude for god knows what
TheBoagboy Rimmer is the best officer on any ship ever!
I'm passionate about both franchises. Lol.
Just from a numbers perspective, Star Trek would defeat any Star Wars ship handily. For one thing, Star Trek impulse speed is hundreds of times faster than Star Wars sub-light speed, two Star Trek phasers outrange Star Wars lasers by a couple orders of magnitude, AND are capable of pinpoint accuracy down to a single meter, at ranges of hundreds of thousands of kilometers. And on top of that, the energy output is way higher too So what this means is that any Star Trek ship could stay well outside Star Wars weapons range, easily remain out of range with zero effort, while just leisurely sniping away. Most TIEs aren't even shielded. Even if you had a fleet of Star Destroyers with every TIE fighter, bomber, and interceptor deployed, a SINGLE Federation ship could wipe the floor with them and wouldn't even need to go to red alert. Not to mention the Empire is bound to Hyperspace lanes, while Star Trek ships have full freedom of movement thanks to Warp drive. Now granted, Hyperspace travel is WAY faster, which is the only advantage SW has... But it's like comparing a bullet train to a car. Sure the bullet train will get you to a specific destination faster, but you're limited to whatever is on a lane. This means the Imperial tactic of blockading Hyperspace lanes would be fundamentally ineffective, like putting a lock on your fence to try and keep out birds.
I always believed that Star Trek technology could mop the floor with Star Wars technology!
The Enterprise would just beam a photon Torpedo directly onto the bridge of the Empire's ship, lol.
William Stockhecker Such and old argument, and so easily refuted. Not sure it's worth the bother...
EmpiricalPragmatist Star Wars ships always, and I repeat *always* fight at visual range. Transporters have a range of tens of thousands of kilometers. Star Wars ships would never even know what hit them.
drksideofthewal "Star Wars ships always, and I repeat always fight at visual range."
Uh, and Star Trek ships don't? I can only think of one exception, and that was when firing at a stationary target, which today's missiles can do...
"Star Wars ships would never even know what hit them"
Yes, because nothing _would_ hit them. Transporters can be blocked/rendered thoroughly inoperable by anything from shields and super-dense materials to ambient radiation. SW ships have all three of those things, plus high levels of jamming interference, so you're smoking your socks if you think it's reasonable to assume transporters would just work on them.
Seriously, why is it so hard for Trekkies to think these things through?
EmpiricalPragmatist
"Uh, and Star Trek ships don't? I can only think of one exception, and that was when firing at a stationary target, which today's missiles can do..."
Most of the time, Star Trek ships don't fight at visual range. That's just clever editing. Sometimes they do, but unlike Star Wars, they have the option not to.
For example, In the TNG episode "The Wounded" the USS Phoenix engaged Cardasian warships at 300,000 kilometers.
I repeat, Star Wars ships have *never* engaged at beyond visual range. They're incapable of it.
"Yes, because nothing would hit them. Transporters can be blocked/rendered thoroughly inoperable by anything from shields and super-dense materials to ambient radiation."
Shields? Star Wars ships don't run with their shields up all the time, only when they sense danger.
Radiation? Star Wars ships don't emit massive amounts of radiation. Certainly not enough to disrupt a transporter signal.
Super dense material? A Star Destroyer's hull isn't any thinker, or denser, than the hull of a Borg Cube, which transporters can beam through.
Take those excuses, and throw them out the window.
"Seriously, why is it so hard for Trekkies to think these things through?"
This made me LOL. Hypocritical humor is the best. ;)
drksideofthewal "Star Trek ships don't fight at visual range. That's just clever editing"
Please tell me that was a joke. You see the ships face to face *all the time*. Just about touching noses. Your example of TNG: _The Wounded_ is the ONLY exception. Trying to pretend it's just one of many cases is disingenuous.
"but unlike Star Wars, they have the option not to"
That's also rubbish. If they could engage at longer range, why on Earth wouldn't they? Because they suffer from a lack of firepower, accuracy, or more likely both, at any greater ranges than the 1-2 kms we see them engage at all the time.
"Shields? Star Wars ships don't run with their shields up all the time, only when they sense danger."
An enemy ship on an intercept course _is_ danger. Besides, some shields run full time, such as the one covering the Endor moon.
"Radiation? Star Wars ships don't emit massive amounts of radiation. Certainly not enough to disrupt a transporter signal. "
And what do you base that claim on, pray? Sucking your thumb? Actually, in Star Wars broad-spectrum signal jamming is commonplace. Jamming is never even mentioned in Trek, and on the rare occasion that some alien of the week blocks their transporter signal, they act as if it's some weird unconventional tactic. This child-like innocence and naiveté makes them totally unused to dealing with the kind of jamming that makes the Rebellion unable to get a shield reading on the DS II in Episode VI.
"Super dense material? A Star Destroyer's hull isn't any thinker, or denser, than the hull of a Borg Cube, which transporters can beam through."
Again, complete thumb-suck. An ISD's hull is neutronium impregnated. You don't get anything denser than that outside a black hole.
Got anything besides made-up nonsense to add?
My real issue isn't Star Trek vs Star Wars, it's the fight between the fans. First, let's accept that they are both completely different shows. Star Wars is a Fairy tale, written by George Lucas who admits he had no idea how large the Galaxy really was or even how fast light would travel in a year. His focus wasn't the technical side, but was completely story driven. It was a story of good versus evil and he told it in a way that so many people, including me, could relate to and enjoy. George had no idea HOW the Millennium Falcon could go so fast, or even what .10 past the speed of light translated to. He Wrote a story that was larger than a single world and therefor has to have space ships in it to fully tell his story. That said, the story of Star Wars, the First three released being the ones I love most and the ones I reference for this comment, is one that is timeless, as I was there on day one, when it hit theaters and am still here to see the story finally "end". Now, Star Trek is almost completely opposite.
Star Trek: The Original Series Creator
Gene Roddenberry spent years talking to NASA about Lasers, phasers, Warp Drives and every other theoretical space ship design and components to make the show stand up to the scrutiny he knew it was going to face. Even today, Top scientists in space travel and even Quantum Physics cannot find fault with Gene's original ship design. Even his explanation of how the ships travels far faster than the speed of light holds up against scrutiny. The Story falls to the ship and the hope of the Human Race actually coming together and exploring this Galaxy. The Story, even down to the personal ones, spent much of the time showing what could be, and little else. There wasn't a set of story lines like in Star Wars, no good versus evil, no Knights (Jedi Knights) and no strong story to rest on. Yes, there are stories, but they last about what, 40 minutes each? So, Star Wars and Star Trek are only the same type of show if you count them both being in space. If you go by Technology, Star Trek wins only by the facts. The Show is bases completely on technological facts or Probabilities. He developed "Warp Drive" that, in Theory, would allow a ship to travel at speeds well above the speed of light without traveling backwards in time. The Voyage Home accented this theory quite well. So, in closing, they are two completely different shows with two completely different agendas. Star Wars was story driven, and driven beautifully as I still go to it at least twice a year, and Star Trek, which is Tech. Driven, and driven well enough that Gene's Ideas still hold up since the 1960s when the show first aired.
One impacted me emotionally and the other intellectually.
@@gokulkrishm51 star trek does it both for me. I roll my eyes whenever they start babbling about the force in star wars... Am I the only one who wants to know how the fighters and starships actually work in star wars?
@@MrLinkkid Not alone. I want to know too :D I get your point.
Which is exactly why i like.....
Stargate the best ;))
You're not helping by writing a giant cope paragraph
''Star Trek Federation power generation technology is extremely limited. None of their battlestations are mobile, their starship power generation systems are extremely inefficient, and even the most optimistic quantifications of their power generation systems indicate that their power output is less than 1% of a Star Destroyer's power output. Even a heavily-armed space station like DS9 is limited to terawatt-range power generation, based on deuterium fusion. Starships are limited to mere gigawatt-range power output! They have been unable to produce planetary shields or move planets as we have, and their crewmembers appear to have very poor scientific knowledge (based on their repeated mistakes).''
I absolutely love this video, but all the people arguing over the effectiveness of either's universe is fucking cringe lmao
I remember back in 2010- 2012 there were bunch of Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans that would argue over specs all day and all night like they didn’t have a life and that they would spam or dislike each other’s comments so that their point wouldn’t show. It was wild 😂
Ikr why couldn't they enjoy it for what it is instead of just squabbling over pointless shit 🤣
Damn. I was hoping for mutual annihilation.
There was lots of mutual annihilation in that video. Didn't you see the antimatter warheads and antimatter reactors? ;)
Darth Vader would force choke Captain Picard over the intercom end of story
Commander1991NOR Data would just shut it down and move the ship out of range and then blast the destroyer since they can't maneuver worth a damn..\ #SittingDucks
You can outmaneuver a star destroyer perhaps but you cannot outmaneuver the force.
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Kåre Helgesen I know you are a trekkie but let me explain it to you.Rocks and metal does not have midi-chlorians in them yet they can still be manipulated by the force. The midi-chlorian count just allows you to use the force(when in high concentration).Eventhough the star trek universe don't have midi-chlorians does not mean that the force won't work. As long as darth vader has midi-chlorians in his body he can tap into the force and manipulate all things being organic or non-organic.
Commander1991NOR I don't mind using Kare's logic for the debate, but by the same token there is no Q Continuum in the SW galaxy therefore no Q can exert any influence either. This basically means trekkies are *&#_@ed anyway.
Kåre Helgesen lol was that you who geeked out on whats probably the least important overly-used argument? Really - you actually typed all that?
No mather whose fan you are this video is incredibly fun.
I still keep coming back to this. One of the best amateur clips!
VERY GOOD EDITING!
This was made in 2006?! The edits hold up so well!
l watched this as a kid, my step dad was a star trek geek, l was like did you ever see the episode where they fight ppl in star wars, he looked at me all crazy 😂😂
I remember seeing this about 8 years ago (at most) and it has aged incredibly.👍
Can't believe this is 15 years old now.
This was the first video I'd ever watched on youtube. My dad showed it to me. I remember I would watch it all the time in second grade.
Captain Picard: Fire at Will!
Me: (Shoots Commander Riker)
Captain Picard: *I am not amused, Ensign.*
This comment section is hell...
+The Ninth Doctor war has changed, its no longer fought on battle zones, but now in youtube comment sections, and thru fanboys with bullshit instead of soldiers and weapons
They usually are.
Obi-Wan: That's why I'm here....
This is one of the first videos I remember watching online. I absolutely love Picard's face at 4:27. He's just like..."who the fuck is this guy?"
I also like to think that the music actually blasts through the speakers while the Emperor talks, and it's not just bad editing.
Also, 6:40. Cmd. *Ricker*? *Vador*? *Sithious*? Okay that last one is kinda cool...
My god... this was made 17 years ago.
He says “our first catch of the day” like running into ships from another Universe is a Regular occurrence
Teacher: "define chaos"
*student plays video, class erupts into a brawl*
Very cool! Such a neat way you mixed it, I am impressed. It looks like it came right out of the 1980's! [Haha, I know it's poor quality, but it made it better to me.]
Would love to see this remastered with the Blurays!
Darth Vader could just kill Picard and everyone on the bridge just by seeing them on the view screen and using his force choke, or possibly mind trick Worf into going on a killing spree.
***** then he slices them fool
What's a Klingon
***** bord the ship with 700 stormtroopers and slice em simple
Is a vasor a pistol
Can they cut through a lightsaber
All these years later this is still the best mashup edit of these two franchises
Q joins in, clicks his fingers and turns the entire empire into cheese
star wars fighters are powered by power cells and can output 64 000 gw for their main guns while star trek ships are powered by antimatter and their shields fail at 400 gw. That example alone shows how star wars reactors are much more advanced than anything seen in star trek. star wars engineers can take any power source and make it much more powerful than anything star trek enginners can come up with antimatter. Thats impressive.
clearly idazmi fails to realize antimatter would generate insufficient energy for what the death star did to alderaan. Hypermatter makes sense where fusion and antimatter do not.
what website did you get your info
what failed argument? I don't see star trek blowing apart shielded planets in an instant while sending roughly 1/3rd of its mass thousands of kilometers backwards. Bolth thierry and I have stated on numerous occasions that turbolasers are not simply lasers. Guess you forgot that along the course of this debate and now all of a sudden you think it's relevent, no shit sherlock it's not a laser.
ok
you do know that a lazer is a pop gun to the trekkies?
Correction: The Defiant class is far smaller than the ~625m Galaxy Class, (not sure of the dimensions exactly), so not quite. What IS fun, though, is that they can't dodge one that's moving at a measly +-12m/s! :)
Also fun to compare the manoeuvering abilities of the photon torpedoes with Luke's ANH one, which made a 72,000g, 90 degree turn. :)
Fantastic cuts. I would like to see more!!!!!!!
Still better than anything Disney has put out in the last 10 years.
It should have ended at 1:01 - vader just reaches out his hand, sqeezes it and captain whatever his name is just chokes and dies.
Both series are awesome but i prefer the geeky coolness of star wars. Both awesome though
But Diana could block it.
@@aa2339 Yeah
Man, this video can vote now
regaurdless of the facts about SW or ST, this movie while choppy(completely fair considering all the splicing that went on) was masterfully done, and very fun to watch, thank you. and keep up with it
This is an amazing montage for a 16 years old video
Best video on UA-cam forever and ever.
Gramps ford torpedoes in star trek never had the need to make a 72,000g turn. Think of the logistics of what it took for Luke's torpedo to go into the exhaust port and not touch anything on the way down. the torpedo entering the exhaust port with its nose point down at 90 degrees parallel to the walls of the port would be crucial. The torpedo in star trek VI would not have been blocked by anything. All they had to do was hit a roughly 400m ship so they can lock on to it with other torpedoes. Luke had to send a perfectly aligned torpedo through a 2m wide exhaust port all the way to the reactor. There was also a giant neutronium tower directly above the port. Furthermore, wedge stated that his equipment could see the tower but not the port. This was probably do to powerful jamming or some method the tower could use to hide a heat signature. Luke's torpedo had very little space to maneuver into the correct angle. This is the entire reason for the trench run in the first place. I don't know how I can make this any more simple for you. If you still don't like the fact that luke's torpedo did something seemingly impossible the force is "broken". Luke used no targeting computer to pull off the feat either. it was a deus ex machine plot device in every sense of the definition.
The Federation has the techknowledgy to disassemble atoms and reassemble atoms to the exact same form and transport those atoms across space at the same time,once the shields were down which wouldn't be a problem as Han Solo hot wired the freaking shield generator doors open,after he got there to the planetary surface with no problem the Feds could take out the shield generator with a phaser strike from outer space ,the Feds could beam a photon torpedo to the exact same spot Lukes torpedo …or they could use the same tech they used in the beaming process to guide the torpedoes
Operator it wasn't a shielded planet Han Solo got in there,and they could beam a torpedo along the same route Lukes shot were fired beam it through the exhaust port and along the route ,if a transporter can dissemble atoms and reassemble them it can disassemble a live torpedo and beam it to or along what ever coordinates it were programed ,the Feds have shown the ability to think outside the box
MadnessIncTV It had to be a shielded planet otherwise the rebel capital ships would have done this static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060824051144/starwars-exodus/images/6/6f/Base-Delta-Zero.jpg rather than using imperial codes to bypass the shield and take it out on the inside. Also what makes you think they can bypass something they have never been shown to bypass onscreen. Even granite gives them trouble.
Operator 1, Han Solo got onto the planet and 2 Han Solo got right up to the shield generator,what powerful sensors around the shield generator doorway around the shield generator period, anybody getting with in miles of such an important piece of equipment means the security is severely lacking just on a basic level, never mind the fact a saboteur and a whole band of Ewoks could be swarming around it, all your claims make no sense
Han Solo needed a stolen shuttle with imperial codes to even get on the planet and Vader gave the order to lower the shield. They wouldn't have even been on the planet if that didn't happen. Why even bother with the ordeal if the endor moon did not have a shield that could prevent any bombardment? Given your lack of a coherent answer to this question I'd say your point makes no sense, as usual.
"anybody getting with in miles of such an important piece of equipment means the security is severely lacking just on a basic level"
-the moon of endor was actually part of a protected planet treaty and considered a lot like a national park. There were natives walking around everywhere, a bunch of sensor pings would have probably turned out to be animals or native hunting parties. As a result, sensor grids were probably never installed and instead the imperials relied on the orbital defense grid to stop a direct attack. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Planetary_shield Star trek weapons would never pierce that since star wars shields do not fail at a low 400GW
The good memories watching this on an ol crappy vista dell desktop with its aesthetic and then my first videos I see is this.. well made, and nostalgic too. Dang it’s been so long
Conclusion
Federation shield technology is clearly in the low megaton range for resistance. The evidence for this is simply overwhelming, regardless of whether you employ the TM or not, and since Imperial shields are rated at a much higher level, there is really no contest at all. The high-megaton and gigaton-class missile weapons of a patrol craft like Slave-1 could effortlessly destroy any Federation warship with a direct hit, to say nothing of the much heavier weapons on an Imperial capital ship.
Still wrong almost a decade later Thierry
@@MDE_never_dies I’m still alive.
@@JamesBond77That is good.
Man. I love Star Trek, and Star Wars. I've never identified as either. But that shit is crazy. Sure, I can see the Enterprise maybe taking down an Imperial Star Destroyer.. but the Death Star? The motherfuckin' Death Star!? Nah man. If Picard hadn't ordered the Enterprise to leave, they'd have been deader than fried chicken.
The comments below are better than the video... Vader would force choke...blah blah, Trek's shields are....blah blah... hahahahahahahaha
To quote a Star Trek TNG episode: "Captain, they are now locking lasers on us."
"Lasers?"
"Yes, sir."
"Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields"
Star Wars just calls them lasers, they're plasma bolts that function pretty much the same as Romulan plasma. 😂
The Sith have nothing on the Q
For 2006 this really good
MadnessIncTV it does not matter if the EU is canon or not. All the screen evidences already suggest that star wars ships are indeed way superior to star trek ships. After all star wars shields fail at 70 trillon gw while star trek shit shields fail at a low 400 gw according to Worf. Photon torps are limited to 64 megatons while a star destroyer can fire 200 gigaton per shot. And list goes on and on just using screen evidences. Using the EU is just overkill.
I would have to agree that it would be over kill if you use the EU, but I also have to agree with Idazmi7. The shield strength is never mentioned in the movies, but that is because Star Destroyers were well known for being powerful. Now with the Tie Fighter....well...yeah they are cheep, but Tie Bombers pact a major punch with or without the EU.
Thierry Saint-Jour using on screen evidence both ST and SW weapons are sub Kiloton at best (Except for the scene when the ISD destroyed Asteroids in ESB)
This right here is an underappreciated masterpiece
A crossover would be awesome!
If the Enterprise D was to be up against Star Wars powerhouses, it can be during the time Amanda Rogers - a Q shown as being in love with Riker - is aboard the ship. She's a Federation citizen, accepted to Starfleet Academy, serving internship at the time of the True Q episode. She can easily make the ship invulnerable to attack of any sort, since she'd have the incentive AND the means to do it.
Thank Q
This over anything Disney gives us
This was the first UA-cam video I ever saw. I was like 12 or something and I thought it was the best video ever at the time 🤣🤣🤣
Here an example of how powerful star wars ships are using screen evideces.
''A Star Destroyer used its light trench-mounted guns to vaporize 40 metre wide asteroids in TESB with 1/15-second bursts, resulting in a lower limit of 22,500 TW for light turbolaser output. Note that this only applies to light turbolasers. If the ratio of light to heavy turbolaser output is proportional to the size difference, then heavy turbolasers must therefore output roughly 2.8 million TW.''
Meanwhile in star trek, Riker cleary mentioned that his ship needed at least 125 photon torps to destroy an hollow asteroid. What a sad joke.
That asteroid Riker mentioned was large enough to swallow up the 642 Meters long Enterprise-D several times over. It was likely a few miles wide.
@@richardched6085 Yes, they needed at least 125 photon torpedoes to _collapse_ a hollow asteroid a few miles in diameter. The light point-defense systems on ISDs are _vapourizing_ 40m wide solid asteroids. Do you have any idea how much more energy that takes???
@@EmpiricalPragmatist those asteroids looked alot less than 40 Meters wide. Plus they weren't Vaporized (There was plenty of white hot debris fragments left over).
@@richardched6085 There is nothing visible left in less than half a second except gas. Also how exactly are you calculating the size of those asteroids? You do realize the ships in the background are 1.6 kms long right? (That's the small ones!)
@@EmpiricalPragmatist you are correct (just rewatched it lol). I wonder why the Empire never used such Megaton scale power when attacking ground targets.....
The Death Star is targeting us. Oh, move slightly to the left. Oh, they missed.
zeroryoko1974 You did notice the Death Star can fire its main weapon off-axis, right? I guess not...
EmpiricalPragmatist LOL This is the extent of the damage you're capable of? And I thought I'd need to come slap you around a bit. Nevermind... go ahead about your business, slick.
Mr48GOAT Damage? Huh? I completely refuted his only point. What more do you want, a lecture on intellectual rigour? If you want to see damage, check out my thread with waveforceful. :)
Judging by the background, it looks like Enterprise-D was fighting a dozen or so Star destroyers (and other imperial ships).
Keep in mind, the Empire seems to need thousands, if not millions of ships while during the TOS era the Federation maintained all of federation space with 12 constitution class ships, that should tell anyone the kind of power they have... as the Texas Rangers say... "One riot, One ranger ".
@@saberiandream316 Not nearly as bad as kurtzman and company.
Wow. I was only 36 when this came out!
Regarding Slave-1 weapons
''Krupx Munitions' Void-7 seismic charge comprised a large, rounded canister containing a mix of unstable liquid baradium and volatile collapsium gas. This mix became supercharged by two electromagnetic exciter disks on either end of the weapon's core. Once released into space, these disks would infuse the core with energized impulses to excite the blended explosives. The Void-7's explosion was characterized by a powerful implosion followed by an expanding energy wave of massive power roughly equivalent to 12 gigatons of TNT, enough to decimate large asteroids in the rings surrounding Geonosis. Only the Shields on a capital ship could protect against a Void-7 shock wave. The explosive mix within a Void-7 could be altered to produce a shock wave that caused less collateral damage than the baradium-collapsium mix.''
12 gigatons while star trek photon are limited to 64 megatons. star trek weapons = sad joke. Oh and Kyle stop denying screen evidences. Everybody can see that these ''rocks'' were asteroids dense guys so yeah thats a proof. And where are your evidences to defeat my points ? Hum. oh wait you have none since you cannot even back up a single of your points with evidences. I bet you are going to say that star trek shields dont fail at 400gw when Worf cleary stated so right ? Tourist ...
I have no idea why or how Idazmi and Tomcat think the starship Enterise can withstand Death Stars superlaser?
You said so on your power of the Enterprise video, Idazmi....
***** Lol Idazmi, lets say we all concede the Enterprise has enough firepower to destroy the entire planets surface "multiple times over"... thats *still* orders of magnitude less energy than the DS's superlaser, which is enough to destroy a planet a "million times over", as evidenced by the violence of Alderaans destruction:
250 sextillion megatons ... the firepower of the Death Star
Firmus Piett I remember in that episode Spock cleary said that the Planet Killer was still consuming the planet when it fired on the enterprise suggesting that the Planet Killer was not even at full power when it attacked the enterprise.
The reason why Idazmi7 and myself would say 'The Death Star' wouldn't kill a Star Trek starship is simple. It is inefficient and clearly wouldn't work forever in Star Treks' universe. Apparently, none of these fools cared to watch the 'Star Trek Enterprise' series. A Xindi probe sphere does the same thing.
See! Escalation works completely different in Star Trek. Star Wars uses it as a symbol of status and such. Star Trek uses it to show differences, to become the better person, and to expand their knowledge. Thus ending the debate!
Thierry Saint-Jour Indeed, Spock even said that it came from outside the galaxy. It's systems may have been malfunctioning from being in the void for a while. Is it clear how long Decker's ship was floating about before Kirk found him? The doomsday machine probably used a chain reaction which wasn't as effective on star ship materials.
Sign I've been watching too many "Fair Use Parody Recuts": immediately after Palpatine orders "fire at Will Commander!" I want Picard to say "Now!" and Riker to be beamed out into space, to absorb the shot from the Death Star
glad this is still hanging around youtube. one of the original videos i ever saw
I love this debate, but honestly Star Wars Fanboys with no regard for Federation tech irritate me. Not to mention most of the biased group against Star Trek usually don't even know their EU history nor do they realize the numerous flaws the Empire contains
I know right? Like reactor cores with no dead man's switch devices, that routinely blow up their own ships, and elite bridge crews who don't know the difference between joules and watts. Oh, wait, that's all Star Trek...
EmpiricalPragmatist
At least Star Trek TRIES to support their weaponry. Star Wars gives us ridiculous power outputs for millennia old weapons that somehow still surpass the modern day imperial tech. Seriously, that's why i don't buy into the whole x-wing vs enterprise argument its freaking BS the rebel proton torpedo (which is outfitted with a nuclear warhead) is claimed to be more powerful than the Photon torpedo (powered by antimatter) there's no contest here
Bob Jeankins The photon torpedo is stated to have a maximum payload of 1.5 kgs of matter and the same amount of anti-matter, giving a theoretical maximum yield of roughly 64 megatons. This is only about 10% larger than the yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest *real* thermonuclear warhead detonated to date. (Though possibly not the largest _constructed_). It is hardly unrealistic to think that a society as advanced as the Alliance could significantly improve on our 1960s technology. Also, where did you read that the proton torpedo was a nuclear weapon?
Also, most Imperial firepower figures are based on generously pessimistic scaling of the firepower demonstrated by the Death Star and in the TESB asteroid vapourization scenes.
EmpiricalPragmatist In a Star Wars vehicle encyclopedia. Great book, had tech from the EU as well.
You see that's what I mean, There's always methods to improve nuclear weaponry, but there is absolutely no contest when it comes to nuclear vs antimatter. Starfleet vessels operate under the source and scan destroy planets singlehandedly without the need for a huge super weapon. Don't forget the Genesis torpedo's available for mass production. And those aside, it has been implied many times throughout the series Starfleet posses the power to destroy or eradicate life on planets. The reason they do not is because they are rarely involved in total war and the ethical and moral transgression this would infringe upon in the prime directive.
Starfleet also has the ability of time travel, increased speed, manverability and versatility, and pretty much every other 'strategic' advantage. Just from reading the "Art of War" by Sun Tzu, its easy to derive there is really no contest. in a full scale war the logistics and strategy of Starfleet would decimate the Empire.
Bob Jeankins "but there is absolutely no contest when it comes to nuclear vs antimatter"
Firstly, I should point out that it's not the _method_ that will have the greatest impact on your power generation, but rather the _efficiency_. The idea that all or even most of your payload matter will actually undergo fission/fusion/annihilation is only theoretical, and getting that to be practical is what would really count, since most of the matter is scattered before it can be used. Thus advances in efficiency could easily outweigh whether you're using thermo-nuclear of M/AM reaction warheads. Secondly, if you want to compare power generation methods, you have to remember that the Death Stars employed a hypermatter reactor, pulling reactor fuel directly into the reactor from anywhere in space. That's always going to beat both the methods mentioned above.
"Starfleet vessels operate under the source and scan destroy planets singlehandedly without the need for a huge super weapon"
They can not. There is one episode where they worry that they could wipe out _all life_ on the planet (and that only due to a highly volatile atmosphere that they might set off), but never any mention of destroying the planet itself.
"Don't forget the Genesis torpedo's available for mass production"
Forget it? Where is that mentioned? How come they never used them? Don't say ethics, because Section 31 would've used them during the Dominion and Borg wars anyway *if they could*.
"this would infringe upon in the prime directive"
The prime directive only even applies to pre-warp civilizations...
"Starfleet also has the ability of time travel, increased speed, manverability and versatility, and pretty much every other 'strategic' advantage"
Nonsense. Time travel is so risky that it's done more often by accident than on purpose, it has a very short time range, and it is never used to solve problems like wars _ever_. Clearly of limited use. As for speed, SW ships travel between their galactic core and the outer rim in less than a day usually, whereas Voyager (one of the fastest Fed ships of its time) took _75 years_ and an entire series to crawl across *one quadrant of the galaxy*, even with the aid of wormholes, experimental techs, and the occasional shove from a god-like being!
SW ships MASSIVELY outpace ST ships, and could bypass Fed ships without even fighting them, and bombard their pitifully defended home-worlds (all 150 of them) into submission before their defense fleets could even catch up, effectively winning the war before it's even started. Now *that* is more like Sun Tzu's Art of War!
Regarding TNG : Pegasus
"Since the Devolin asteroid field is proto-planetary matter rather than a pulverized planet (like the Hoth asteroid field) and its asteroids are obviously not well-consolidated (since the asteroid in question was hollow), there is a
That's not really proof, but if it makes you happy go ahead and believe it. And I wouldn't really call the rocks that Slave 1's seismic charge destroyed asteroids. Each one of them was about 1/1000 of the asteroid in "The Pegasus".
In voyager episode RISE they destroyed an asteroid with a photon torpedo with a yield estimated at 100 megatons
***** Indeed. We can cleary see the asteroid ring when Slave I landed on Geonosis. these star trek fanboys are blind.
Doesn't really change anything......
Come close to what? Weapons that make photon torpedoes look like children's toys? Been there, done that.......
Tell ya what, play KOTOR for the PC. I hear its only $20 now. Pick up a copy, and you'll see how off the bat, the Sith Empire that fights the Republic has cruises whose shots cause large explosions that can be seen from orbit. Dialogue from the characters indicates that it's a typical power of the nations at the time. One character on your party, the Mandalorian Canderous Ordo, wiped out a whole city riding on the back of a war droid. A terrorist named Lorgal you meet in a special quest talks about how Republic war heroes butcher millions with a mighty warship. In the second game, you have a clan of Ubese fighters who hate the Jedi because the Republic bombed their home world into a radioactive ball, the Republic did nothing. The only reason the Imps didn't do that left and right in the movies is because they OWN the civilized planets in the galaxy, and rebel strongholds have planetary shields.
The star destroyers could have caught up with the Enterprise in seconds and finished the job. Remember, the Galactic Empire stretched across an entire Galaxy, meaning travel from one side to the other was relatively fast. In Star Trek, the federation has only explored a small percentage of the galaxy, with the Delta, Gamma and other quadrants of the galaxy unexplored due to speed and distance issues, decades or even centuries to reach the rest of the galaxy.
Star wars fighters can do the job just fine bro. Star destroyers are overkill for these weak and pathetic star trek ships.
Here some numbers proving how star wars fighters are superior to star trek capital ships :
Star Wars: Slave-1 Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Main phasers: 3.6 GW
Star Wars: Slave-1 Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical
Star Wars: Slave-1 Sublight acceleration: 2500G
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Sublight acceleration: 1000G
Star Wars: Slave-1 Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Operational range: 2750 light-years
Star Wars: Slave-1 Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peak
Star Wars: Slave-1 Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6
Star Wars: Slave-1 Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6)
Thierry Saint-Jour where did you got the numbers?
***** From official tech manuals.
They could not attack in hyperspace, they would only drop out of it and see the enterprise outrun them with warp. The enterprise could flee to the fleet and engage with them. Now, since both factions live in diferent galaxies and the enterprise has found the death star, we can asume the federation found a means of intergalactic travel. What happens afterwards? Yay for meaningles discussions!
panstriato2
''As seen in Dark Empire, it is possible for a Star Destroyer to change course in hyperspace. The Emancipator did exactly this, by tracking an Imperial starship's communications transmissions and altering course so that it would be heading on a collision course. The Emancipator dropped out of hyperspace only a few kilometres away from the target vessel, and opened fire with all forward weapons. This is a devastating method of attack, facilitated by the Federation's tendency to continually broadcast active subspace scanning signals. The Federation has some prior experience with enemies that suddenly appear without warning: the Romulans and Klingons employ their cloaking devices to achieve similar effects, and they have both been highly effective.''
And cloaking tech does exist in the star wars galaxy.
I remember this when it came out, held up as good as i remembered.
''Transporters present vulnerabilities of their own. We learned in "When the Bough Breaks" and "Realm of Fear" that they are better at insertion than extraction, hence the common practice of sending men from one ship's transporter pad to another ship's transporter pad, hence tying the two systems together. We learned in "Skin of Evil" and "Tin Man" that telekinetic forcefields can block transporters completely. We learned in "Symbiosis", "Suspicions", and "Quality of Life" that they are erratic, unreliable, and sometimes completely useless in the presence of ionizing electromagnetic radiation. We learned in "Royale" that an environmental containment forcefield can block transporters even when it permits communications to pass through. We learned in "Ensigns of Command" that transporters don't function in entire star clusters where "hyperonic radiation" is present (although no one knows what hyperonic radiation is) and that they can be rendered useless by the mere presence of certain unusual subatomic particles. We learned in "The Enemy" and "Power Play" that transporters don't work through naturally occurring atmospheric electrical storms. We learned in "The Hunted" that a sudden movement can disrupt a transporter beam. We learned in "The High Ground" that transporter locks are more difficult than simple visual acquisition, ie- it's possible for something to be visible to the naked eye but impossible to acquire with a transporter sensor system. We learned in "The Most Toys" that certain substances can't be transported at all. We learned in "Legacy" that the electromagnetic fields generated by an ordinary electrical transformer can prevent transport locks, and that they can't transport through 2 km of solid granite under any circumstances. We learned in "Second Chances" and "Final Mission" that the natural fields emanating from certain inhabitable planets or moons can prevent transporter use completely. We learned in "The Host" that transporters put stress on the transported subject, and that it may therefore be dangerous to transport wounded personnel. We learned in "Darmok" that an energetic ionosphere can block transporters. We learned in "Hero Worship" that they can't transport through "victurium alloy" bulkheads, thus leading to the obvious question of what other materials are opaque to transporters at that thickness. We learned in "Schisms" that transporters don't work in the presence of nucleonic radiation. We learned in "True Q" and "Lessons" that atmospheric ionization can prevent transporter use entirely. We learned in "Descent Part 2" that all of the transporters on the entire USS Enterprise can only transport people at an average rate of 1 person per second. We learned in "Pegasus" that there are dangers associated with transport through large amounts of solid matter. We learned in "The Chase" that tractor beams interfere with transporters, and worse yet, we learned in "Attached" that a cunning enemy can use tractor beams to redirect a transporter beam to an arbitrary spot of their choosing!''
Star wars dense armors, powerful shields and jammers would render transporters useless. Hell star wars engines emit ion particles and that would render transporters useless too. And star wars ships could use their tractor beams to send any star trek torps back to these fucking idiots star trek officers. ^^
Another example using screen evidences.
''TESB asteroid field. The TESB novelization described a "steady rain" of asteroids, and Anakin Skywalker: The Story of Darth Vader said that "turbolaser gunners blasted the largest rocks; those they missed impacted against the bow shields like multi-megaton compression bombs." We can see from the film that the ships were taking impacts at the rate of at least 1 asteroid per second if not more, and we know from the above quote that the asteroids were striking with several megatons of energy each. Furthermore, the bombardment must have continued for at least 1 or 2 days because Vader had time to contact bounty hunters, who travelled from their various homebases to the Outer Rim while the fleet stayed in the field. Therefore, each ISD might have absorbed as much as 3E20 joules of kinetic energy while in the asteroid field.''
Meanwhile in star trek, star trek shields fail at a low 400 gw according to Worf. Tech superioty = star wars.
MadnessincTV R2D2 had plot shielding as well as the X-wings deflector shields to protect him at the battle of yavin. Luke even had R2 increase the power before he was hit by the glancing blow. Your point is invalid and useless much like the manual overrides on board a federation ship with computer systems that are infected with cheese.
"R2D2 had plot shielding" That's not a valid claim when C3PO has been blasted to pieces. Apparently, droids can be restored to working order.
Gramps Ford R2D2 was also protected by the X-wing's defenses. That's why he wasn't completely vaporized. In fact that is why he took less damage then C3P0 did from a hand blaster. Luke even had R2D2 increase the power and the force was also with them. It is also important to remember that star wars shields do not fail at a low 400GW.
Hard to believe this is almost 20 years old. It feels weird seeing UA-cam videos being this old.