Some Winchester & Hodgdon reloading powders are the same propellant
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2013
- It is not commonly known in the reloading world, that some Winchester and Hodgdon powders are now the same. I found it a useful fact to know this when purchasing reloading powder/propellant. I will share it with you.
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I heard this several years ago too. Lately HP38 ($16.99) is a LOT cheaper than WIN231 ($31.99) at my local supplier. I know alot of people like that powder because it works well and the ball powder meters very nicely.
Thanks for stopping by trees... wanted to share this because it is not widely known.
Thank you SO much for having printed info to back it up!! I've wanted it to be true that W296 was the same as H110, after picking up a good amount of W296 and skipping on the H110 at the time. I was not going to put my personal safety at risk because of internet hearsay. I wish more people would do a little research to make their statements a little more trustworthy.
Good to know in these times of little choice. Thanks
Thank you Jon with no h, I never herd of this, thanks for the info, I to load alot of shells.
Thanks Tom, for stopping by.
Excellent information, thanks for share that information with us. Good to know.
Winchester 296 and H110 are identical in weight, appearance and in my Modern Reloading Manual (second edition) from Richard Lee, the powder charges are identical.
I have found 231, been stocking up. It seems to be getting better. Good luck in your search.
I'm pleased I am helping someone. Thanks for stopping by, and subbing too.
good info, thanks for sharing Jon!
Peace, David
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the info
I new about H110 be the same a W296 but I did not know about the others. Thank you.
Haven't used Varget yet, but have heard good stuff about it. Good luck in your search.
I do like having 3 or 4 powders work for EVERYTHING 4 moa or less. (Good enough for MOST hunters). Speciality powders do get you under 1 moa
Thanks for the info, I didn't that know that.
Sure thing ruiz...glad to help.
To anyone trying to remember which powder was the same as the other, just don't If you're watching this on you tube you have internet access so just go to the powder manufacturers web page and get the load data for the powder you are using. Keep your fingers/eyes and let the guy in the lane next to you keep theirs too. I wonder how many people remember seeing the H110 next to the 231 and loaded a 44 mag with 23 grains of 231?
Thank you very much sir. That is nice to know. I'm new to reloading and am learning the in and outs right now! :)))
Francis Murphy it's a fun and rewarding sub hobby of shooting. Lots to learn and explore. Stay safe and enjoy.
Just need to learn where I can get some powder now!
Francis Murphy yeh , good luck with that , I am lucky to have a local gun shop that caters to reloaders. They still have a limited supply also.
Unfortunately, both W231 and HP38 are very scarce. Most suppliers limit to 1lb, if they have it at all. Great for 9mm, low-mid range loads. Clean and soft shooting.
Do you know if Winchester 296 ball powder can be used for 12 gauge slugs?
Each one of those powders may look identically the same as far as grains and texture, but each may have a different burning rate of combustion. Beware for your own safety.
Thanks, I have not been able to locate H110 for sale recently, but know where I can purchase W296. You have been a great help.
FrostyNoobcicle glad I could help, good luck with your purchases.
Jon - I already knew about H110 and 296, but not the others - Thanks for the info - good to know...
FortuneCookie45LC ADI in Australia makes most powder for Hodgdon
A few years ago these Powder Companies keep changing hands, You do not know whats what any more as your reloading Manuals are printed for the original Powder Companies at the time the Manuals are made I use IMR or H Powders for years and still trust them for all my Rifle and Pistol Hunting Loads Perios Thanks for sharing
Hodgdon also owns IMR and is the importer for Vitavhouri.
Hodgdon dont manufacture powder, they distribute powder under their own brand... Most Hodgdon powder is made in Australia by ADI
FC45LC, glad I was able to help.
mklean1, Thanks for watching, and your comments
Thanks
Thank you for the input. Cause I have no powder at all for handgun-reloading. However, I have 2 pounds of H-110. I thought it was suppose to be for Magnum-revolvers only. I need some sort of load-data for the Winchester 296. Reloading for 9mm. Thanks again.
Jerry Wings. Went to Hodgdon data site and there is no suggested load for that powder in 9mm. I have good success with 231/HP38. Good luck in your search for powder, I have a local gun store that has a good supply of reloading components, as my source. Perhaps there is a GS near you that can help. I am including a link to Hodgdon data site for more info.www.hodgdonreloading.com/
296 or H 110 is too slow for the 9 mm , try unique or universal . These are the correct burning rate for the 9 mm . There are also many others !……
What powder do you use for your 7mm08
HS-6 is one of my favorites.
Never used HS-6 ,thanks for your input.
Jon with no h shootology channel I loaded some 10mm with HS-6 and fired it only yesterday, the first time I've ever used it.
Looks promising for a wide range of handguns, from .38 Special, to .357 Magnum, to 10mm, to ..44 Special, to .45 Colt.
Jon with no h shootology channel
H110 is a very good powder for the .357 mag. with s 158 gr JHP. W231 is better than Unique,IMO
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Are use the HS-6 For shotgun shells slugs and buckshot excellent choice
I've always heard that i use 231 and everyone says its the same as HP 38. The only problem i have is finding either one!!!!
Saying "is now the same" to me means they were ALWAYS the same, or one of them had to change, making load data change, or old data and old powder not something you can use.
They've been the same since 1979 when I started reloading.
With the scarcity of powder in today's world it would be great to have a complete list of all powders made with notations or groupings indicating application for each, such as rifle, pistol, caliber, etc. Maybe a complete burn rate chart would provide the same data, at least a place to start.
There are powder burn rate charts out there. It gives a relative burn rate. I have used them when I want to try a new powder. here is a link to Reloadersnest.com: www.reloadersnest.com/burnrates.asp
It's even harder to find than a brick of cheap .22 LR
don't reload but will pass it to my nephew he dose thanks tom
Sure thing David, hoping others find it helpful.
are all the rifle powder the same
have you noticed increased muzzle blast with Winchester 760 vs other powders?
760 is a ball powder, and I believe that is just a typical by product of ball powders.
Jon with no h thanks. I'm considering trying it and see if I like what I see.
This Vid is really just the tip of the Iceberg. There are many powders that share nearly identical performance parameters. It really boils down to grain size which, in the absence of enhancers & fillers, is what determines burn rate, which correlates to the pressure curve which is what makes projectiles fly. Most people (especially Today's Neophytes) don't know that there was a time when there was only 1 (ONE) smokeless powder. That was IMR's 4895, manufactured by Dupont until very recently. It was used to load pretty much everything and it still can be. There was a time not very long ago when you could buy surplus 4895 directly from the Government for about $3.00 a pound as long as you bought a keg of it. It is the Grandfather of all of today's smokeless powders and most of the modern powders share characteristics with it. Even today, a person that knows what's they're doing can take a manual table top grain mill and a pound of 4895 and make gun powder that will function just fine in anything from .22 rimfire all the way up Artillary....
Do you know if there is a powder that is same as the old Win WSL?
MPD526 I am unfamiliar with WSL, but I suggest a visit to the Winchester website. They may have a suitable powder that could be a good substitute. Good luck with your search.
Where is available this powder
wow good info, thanks
Thanks,...why I wanted to share it. Hope you can use it well.
if not, then it looks like i have a pound of powder sitting there going to waste
i have a pound of WIN 760 i bought to load 243 win. i no longer have the 243 rifle, anyone know if it can be used to load any thing else, like 223 rem perhaps?
try the Hodgdon website for reloading info. Search calibers you want to load for, and specify 760, and any loads will be shown. Here is a link. Good luck.
live-hodgdonreloading.pantheonsite.io/data/rifle
Don't you have a load manual? Just look at cartridges you're interested in and see if the powder falls under it. Some slower burning powders that work great in 270, may not work at all in 223 or even 308.
I believe 760 was the original 5.56 powder
@Baja Dan that powder caused all the bad reputation of the m16. It was a dirty powder. Once they cleared the stocks of it, the complaints about the rifle all but stopped
@Baja Dan accurate 5744 and Unique will suffice in any rifle or pistol. Also remember that lead is effective. They didn’t use it because it was a poor mans round. We all bicker about stopping power and conclude it must be high pressure and velocity.
Cant get any reloading hand gun powder in Norfolk Virginia
TheFirefox8192 It still is in short supply here too. I buy when I find it, and have money too. Good luck in your search.
Good info, thanks for sharing. Now if I could just find some Varget. sigh
FoodFolksandGuns try ADI's AR -2208
I've been handload ing for over 45 years and to suggest you could use these powders in place of another is fine but don't be confused. You can not use the reloading data for one powder to charge your cases with another.
Yes you can, If it is clearly the same powder sold under different brands. It is best to use relatively recent data and account for lot to lot variability, starting low and working up, and use routine reloading safety practices though.
Also, the reloader must understand that he or she is responsible for his or her reloading practices, not someone else. You are after all dealing with a very powerful explosive substance that can at times behave erratically and unpredictably when outside of carefully measured conditions. One must understand that when things go wrong explosives tend not to give second chances. I once witnessed an accidental dynamite explosion. The single victim was sheltered from shot rock, but simple rock dust peeled the skin off his face and blinded him in both eyes. A single rock chip the size of a half dollar was driven into his scull exactly between his eyebrows. He lived but it was a bloody mess and there was a lot of screaming. I bring up my work with a blasting crew only because with smokeless powder you're really dealing with the same stuff, just less of it, and closer to your face generally speaking. The same safety rules apply. The only thing is many people seem to think it'll never happen to them. Not true. No second chances is a good thing to remember.
I just remembered a good example of unpredictable behavior, sorry but I don't recall the reference. It was a commercial load test, full test equipment and high speed photography. The pressure curve looked normal at first. You could see the pressure curve drop, then dive down at the millisecond that photos showed the bullet left the barrel. Then, amazingly, pressure spiked to 100,000 psi. The testers insisted it was an accurate reading and I agree. What they think happened is with that particular load the powder burned inefficiently, and for some reason the unburned powder in the barrel detonated the instant the bullet left the barrel. Peak pressure occurred with the bullet about 4 " in front of the crown. I think perhaps the bullet leaving produced a shockwave and conditions were just right for detonation at that instant. This sort of thing cannot be predicted and must be found by careful load testing, with the correct equipment. This is why we have load manuals and why we must take them very seriously. Reloading requires grown-up responsibility, it just does.
Sure thing mckwilly.
If 110 was the same as 296, as an example, why are the load data references so different? Sierra for example drops FPS data for 110 long before 296 and at the same FPS rating they use Vastly different grain weights
Check the date of your Sierra info. My older RCBS book shows subtle different charge recipes. Originally the two powders were similar burn rates, but slightly different when made by separate companies. Current online info from Winchester and Hodgdon are identical now.
Jon with no h I'm going off the Hornady 10th edition and the sierra reloading app on my phone. 10th edition "might" be outdated though not likely but the app gotta be pretty accurate.
+tobore8thman your info confirms my video. Thanks for watching.
been that way for years..you just now figuring that out?? LOL LOL
Not everyone seems to know this, that is the reason I wanted to share it. Thanks for watching.
any powder can be difused for lower burn rate or a kicker added for a faster burn rate..tus any powder for pistol or rifle.
What the equivalent of Hornady Superformance
+Joaquin Rodriguez sorry , I do not know of an equivalent for that powder.
Thanks
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ALL reloading powders are mostly the same-all made in Sweden USA manufactures no powder.its all imported and bottled here in the US. all you have to know is which is which.load data dosent tell this because of selling different brands.most spherical are the same as well as stick powders.includes flake as well.only difference is the bases-which is cellulose or nitro.
I think I will stick to published data and particular loads for specific powder. Good luck with your system.
You need to unless you know wat your doing.i been using certain powders with what is called a kicker to boot burn rate up.im sure you know nouthing about such.only an EXPERIENCED reloader can attempt such without getting killed..LOL LOL I been reloading for over 45 years..can use any powder I wish for what I wish,im not limited to certain brands.so your handicapped during a powder shortage,its like a gold mine to me LMAO
usaisalwaysnumber1 I belive you sir are mistaken. St. Marks Powder manufactures powder for Hodgden very close to my home, in the Florida panhandle, St. Marks Florida, USA.
Ya your totally wrong about Swedish powders . Lake city Florida makes most all powders used in usa and by the us military hodgdon Winchester Imr these are all American. U need to look at a burn rate chart. I’m pretty loosy goosy but your going to laugh yourself straight to a gold mine of dr fees once u “see the light” I hope all your guns are made of good modern steel.