super super cool video. i really love it when jay pulls motors down and explains exactly whats happening. the hks cam, head trauma and nitrous vs turbo vs crank angle force is that secret sauce that i love the most!
Jay's closing advice is so true. You take risks for glory. You got greedy for power. You knew the risks. Nothing like speaking the truth. I really like Jay's train of thought. Truth.
Jay, thank you for producing these videos. Your ability to understand what you see and translate the visuals for the rest of us is very appreciated. Your videos always educate so “Thank you” for that.
Jay is an intelligent guy. I always enjoy watching his tech videos. I know most of what he teaches already but I still learn something from time to time. he is probably in my top 5 automotive pros I would like to sit down and have a conversation with.
Jay Meagher hats down you are an absolute master not only in engines building but also you gave the owner of this broken engine a good lesson about greediness and power limits of the stock internals that he used ! Thank you Jay it is an honor to be living in this very moment and seeing such a valuable lesson which I can use to teach my self and to teach my kid at some point. Sometimes people are not realizing that it requires not only to be deadly precise in all the things which are happening in that engine, but also, people just don’t realize that they need to build the engine in their own way in the manner of try/fail method and then to be able to spot by 6th sensing on their own an eventual failure because of greediness for more and more !
Proves that 2jz engine really has big balls.The thing was running at a level of 800-900hp with no problems from 2009 until the owner push it even more in 2017 at 1100hp with 46 psi of boost and then it blowed up, otherwise will still running fine.
@@jz-qy9hb I can only find that a vg30dett can reliability hold 700whp to wear as a 2jz can handle 900whp. So where is this 1000whp vg30dett holding that power? I can't find it. The 2jz is the only engine that came from Japan is the late 90s early 2000s that can handle lots of power in stock form.
@@2JZLS AFAIK they helped design the cylinder head portion of the engine to re refine verything (where all the power is made) and then toyota did all the bottom end bits.
@@hendrahendraSTOP TELLING THAT LIE!!! The 2JZ engine was ALL Toyota. Yamaha help design the heads for the 2ZZ, and 1jz. They had a bigger involvement in the V10 in the LFA... This is public knowledge that was debunked almost 2 decades ago.
Pasting my comment from 2 days ago, THC Post of this video. "I love this video, thanks so much for making this content here. Really appreciate the knowledge that Jay shared here and the time of the video editors to put it altogether and show us. Kudos to the owner for having an engine Stock (Bottom End Internals) that lasted so long, you really can't be mad at that. time to build and come back even stronger. 10x Thumbs Up"
If i was the owner i would see this as an oportunity to make serious -reliable- power from an experienced builder like Jay seeking the result to make me happy. Jay's knowledge and investigation is on another level. Thumps up!
I would love to just sit in this guys shop unpaid, learn and listen to him talk all day. Please! More videos like this! I know you guys take apart tons of motors. Make videos on all of em.
@@realstreetperformance No problem! I can't wait for you guys to release a video explaining the new software/controls concepts of the B58 engine in the Mk5 Supras. Given this engine has variable valve lift, an electronic throttle body and electronic wastegates, air management is much different than a cable throttle body 2JZ engine where fuel and spark are outputted based on air/load and RPM. Now the ECU has control of air/load via valve lift (and timing) and electronic throttle body/wastegate; so I know engine calibrators/tuners are dealing w/ a new learning curve... Basically, the amount of air entering the cylinders can vary at the same manifold pressure, simply because of variable valve lift....so multiple fueling/spark map filters need to be put in place to account for this. In addition, fueling is more efficient in a DI engine than a PFI engine; but the air entering the cylinders has to be modeled from the ECU since there are no pressure sensor in the cylinder... Someone needs to break down the new controls strategy for the B58 engines; it should be RealStreetPerformance.
Thanks Jay for these videos. I've recently discovered them and find it super fascinating to see what makes a 2jz tick. I really enjoy your articulate explanations and detailed analysis. Your passion for this stuff comes out in these videos and it's easy to see why you keep getting customers.
Idea for thought here ... Maybe have a 1/2 mile strip, once you go past the 1/4 mile mark, instead of letting the throttle go and forcing the engine into full vacuum, which is what caused his rod to snap, you let off slowly, ease off the throttle until you don't have that stress anymore, then let go. This may remove that stress on the rod and allow it to continue to run.
Its insane how tough those motors are. Trying to source a stock 2J these days is like digging for gold. I have a hard time finding one within budget and everyone wants them so you have to get in quick.
I’m not aware of what type of induced stress is identifiable as the cause a rod failure by unloading (engaging the clutch). I understand why failures occur from shock loading (gear shift events, etc ), but not upon unloading
Mentioned in the video that Nitrous has a small window of high-pressure and turbo has a longer window of high-pressure. Do you happen to know what the window is for Nitromethane?
Jay has a drawer of impacts but leaves them in the drawer for engine work. He prefers to feel how each bolt comes out and geos in. You can learn a lot about the health of a bolt by the way it breaks free and tightens back down. Especially bolts in engines that get torn down for inspection frequently. Jay has a tech tip on this channel about bolt health and how to know when its time to replace a bolt instead of reusing it. Using impact guns on important hardware causes you to lose a feel for the bolt. It also tends to tempt people into making mistakes like running a cap bolt/nut all the way down on one side before moving to the other side, instead of slowly working them down on both sides evenly. There is a time and a place for impacts, but we will continue to leave them in the tool box when doing engine work.
@Chaminda Thushara Ruwan Kasturi ua-cam.com/video/GYDhdonrWuw/v-deo.html Lol, I like the 2JZ but, yeah, sometimes people elevate an engine to godhood status and that's a hard reputation to live up to. LS guys are almost as bad about that. These things are machines. They all have their limits.
all engines have their limits. 2JZ has a HIGH limit because it was over engineered. What other motor from FACTORY condition can TRIPLE its crank hp without a single internal mod to the block and do it day in and out ?? NONE that i know of. Most can double with a good tune. But triple its crank hp and hold there all day long ..?? Nope
That's why I just want all stock I had my fun with the 7M now I have something better than that and I'm only running it at 30%-40% with no work just stock
Pretty cool shit. So was the fretting on the damper and flywheel a failure of the fasteners to create sufficient friction to hold those parts in place? Or was it that once the damper started moving, the flywheel just couldn't hang on?
@3UZ-GS 764/742 at 34psi on a mustang dyno. Swapped wastegates and the gate didn't open so it was probably upwards of 40psi when it blew. The cast manifold made tons of torque, pretty sure that's what did it
Its almost sad, I feel like its so proven what stock can do before blowing up, all to have to buy another engine, that one looked like it was in good condition all it needed was a build :(
Goes to show you how well engineered the 2JZ and the 1JZ are. I mean your talking about 700 HP over its original Stock OEM configuration. Toyota because no body comes better in reliability then Toyota, or even ACURA and Porsches probably the best machinery money can buy!!!
Stock block is good for 500-600hp ive been told multiple times. Why go further without building the motor? You are just going to destroy it... bloody stupid
super super cool video. i really love it when jay pulls motors down and explains exactly whats happening. the hks cam, head trauma and nitrous vs turbo vs crank angle force is that secret sauce that i love the most!
Thank you!
They break at high RPM on decel, because that's when the rods are stretched the hardest. No cushion of air above the piston on the exhaust stroke.
Bingo!
100% 👍
Interesting and makes sense.
So the damage was done due to high rpm vacuum, not boost pressure?
Jay's closing advice is so true. You take risks for glory. You got greedy for power. You knew the risks. Nothing like speaking the truth. I really like Jay's train of thought. Truth.
Thanks for watching Jonny
Jay, thank you for producing these videos. Your ability to understand what you see and translate the visuals for the rest of us is very appreciated. Your videos always educate so “Thank you” for that.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for the comment Scott
I've built a bunch of engines over the years and I still learned from listening to this guy. What a great engine builder.
Jay is an intelligent guy. I always enjoy watching his tech videos. I know most of what he teaches already but I still learn something from time to time. he is probably in my top 5 automotive pros I would like to sit down and have a conversation with.
Thanks billy. I appreciate it
Jay seems like one of the chillest guys who knows his shit. He is effin awesome at explaining the "why" as he works. Good stuff
Thanks Ralph. I appreciate the support
Jay Meagher hats down you are an absolute master not only in engines building but also you gave the owner of this broken engine a good lesson about greediness and power limits of the stock internals that he used ! Thank you Jay it is an honor to be living in this very moment and seeing such a valuable lesson which I can use to teach my self and to teach my kid at some point. Sometimes people are not realizing that it requires not only to be deadly precise in all the things which are happening in that engine, but also, people just don’t realize that they need to build the engine in their own way in the manner of try/fail method and then to be able to spot by 6th sensing on their own an eventual failure because of greediness for more and more !
Proves that 2jz engine really has big balls.The thing was running at a level of 800-900hp with no problems from 2009 until the owner push it even more in 2017 at 1100hp with 46 psi of boost and then it blowed up, otherwise will still running fine.
You should look up Dean Moslow pushed his stock block vg30dett harder than this drag racing constantly
@@jz-qy9hb no he didn’t. He’s replaced motors constantly.
@@Lolya11slow he ran the same stock block for at least a season he recently put in his built block he was building while running the stock one
@@Lolya11slow the 2jz isn't anymore bullet proof than a vg the vg could be considered more bullet proof because they tend to make more torque
@@jz-qy9hb I can only find that a vg30dett can reliability hold 700whp to wear as a 2jz can handle 900whp. So where is this 1000whp vg30dett holding that power? I can't find it. The 2jz is the only engine that came from Japan is the late 90s early 2000s that can handle lots of power in stock form.
Proves time and time again why the engineers at Toyota are a notch above the rest.
Yamaha and Toyota*
@@hendrahendra what did yanaha do?
@@2JZLS AFAIK they helped design the cylinder head portion of the engine to re refine verything (where all the power is made) and then toyota did all the bottom end bits.
@@hendrahendraSTOP TELLING THAT LIE!!! The 2JZ engine was ALL Toyota. Yamaha help design the heads for the 2ZZ, and 1jz. They had a bigger involvement in the V10 in the LFA... This is public knowledge that was debunked almost 2 decades ago.
This is what I like about Jay's character, he talks to you a like a Man that is planted on reality, objectivity and truth.
Thanks Michael
great episode; like the candid conversation. A lot of nuances being discussed here which is invaluable
Thanks for the kind words guys
Pasting my comment from 2 days ago, THC Post of this video.
"I love this video, thanks so much for making this content here. Really appreciate the knowledge that Jay shared here and the time of the video editors to put it altogether and show us. Kudos to the owner for having an engine Stock (Bottom End Internals) that lasted so long, you really can't be mad at that. time to build and come back even stronger.
10x Thumbs Up"
Thanks Bjorn! I appreciate you commenting here
Rewatches video 2 years later... I'm currently doing Forged internals in My Self-Built, Self-Tuned 2JZ MKIV 😁@@realstreetperformance
If i was the owner i would see this as an oportunity to make serious -reliable- power from an experienced builder like Jay seeking the result to make me happy.
Jay's knowledge and investigation is on another level. Thumps up!
Thank you for watching and subscribing
RealStreetPerformance is always a good watch !!! LIKE !!
It sounds like he was able to make over 1K off of “old” and “outdated” internals and bolt ons. Lol I love it!
The amount of knowledge I’ve gained from watching this is unbelievable! Thanks jay! ♥️
Thanks for letting me know!
Jay sounds like a true engineer when it comes this stuff.
thats amazing how 2jz take such a monster of a beating. im sure that block could have been saved if a seasonal inspection was done
Seasonal inspection wasn’t the problem the parts was pushed way past their limits, it handled the abuse very well for what’s done to it
they pushed too much boost and consequently too much hp and torque for a stock 2jz
Always a party when uncle rodney stops by!
Great video, love all the in depth information!
Thanks for watching!
I would love to just sit in this guys shop unpaid, learn and listen to him talk all day.
Please! More videos like this! I know you guys take apart tons of motors. Make videos on all of em.
Will do! More to come!
Jay is an awesome dude! He's skilled at both engine building and tuning; and uses engineering terms/language to explain technical concepts.
Thanks man! I appreciate it
@@realstreetperformance No problem! I can't wait for you guys to release a video explaining the new software/controls concepts of the B58 engine in the Mk5 Supras. Given this engine has variable valve lift, an electronic throttle body and electronic wastegates, air management is much different than a cable throttle body 2JZ engine where fuel and spark are outputted based on air/load and RPM. Now the ECU has control of air/load via valve lift (and timing) and electronic throttle body/wastegate; so I know engine calibrators/tuners are dealing w/ a new learning curve...
Basically, the amount of air entering the cylinders can vary at the same manifold pressure, simply because of variable valve lift....so multiple fueling/spark map filters need to be put in place to account for this. In addition, fueling is more efficient in a DI engine than a PFI engine; but the air entering the cylinders has to be modeled from the ECU since there are no pressure sensor in the cylinder...
Someone needs to break down the new controls strategy for the B58 engines; it should be RealStreetPerformance.
Jay is so educational and real with their customers. Good to know there are good builders on the otherside of the world
I always leave Jays videos with more knowledge. I would love to just be a fly on the wall whenever he talks about anything
Thanks for watching josh. I appreciate the kind words
Thanks Jay for these videos. I've recently discovered them and find it super fascinating to see what makes a 2jz tick. I really enjoy your articulate explanations and detailed analysis. Your passion for this stuff comes out in these videos and it's easy to see why you keep getting customers.
Most interesting thing ive watched in probably all of 2020!
Man thats so great to hear. Thank you!
Idea for thought here ...
Maybe have a 1/2 mile strip, once you go past the 1/4 mile mark, instead of letting the throttle go and forcing the engine into full vacuum, which is what caused his rod to snap, you let off slowly, ease off the throttle until you don't have that stress anymore, then let go. This may remove that stress on the rod and allow it to continue to run.
Great video and great information as always. Keep them coming!👌
You got it! Thank you for the support
Jay is a legend. Invaluable info here
Thanks man. I appreciate the comment
Right but at 2:08, what gapped the 1000+hp Supra?
Never stop being technical 🙂
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Its insane how tough those motors are. Trying to source a stock 2J these days is like digging for gold. I have a hard time finding one within budget and everyone wants them so you have to get in quick.
$8000 lol
dang! the most i made on stock internals was like 38psi on a 76mm.
Did you spray too
Diff compression uh believe aristo jz is NA
Those are bands numbers lol jk
I wouldn't even put a 76 mm to a stock 2jz
@@YouAreWhatYouLove88 aristo jz is 2jz gte vvti 2nd gen non vvti 1st gen. The lexus gs is NA
Thanks Jay!!!
Thanks Chad
Awsome as always!
Thank you!
Wonderful.
Learned a lot.
Thank you.
Hope your next engine does better.
👍👍
Thanks Adam. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Its amazing it took that much power for that long
Legit watching Jay all I see is Jessie.
"Was that fun!!?"
Master class with professor Jay. Could we see a tear down of an another engine other than a JZ 😁 . A 4efte, 4agze perhaps
Sure! I’ll see if I can get my hands on one
Extremely impressive
Thank you Marshall
Jay is a genius!!!!
I’m not aware of what type of induced stress is identifiable as the cause a rod failure by unloading (engaging the clutch).
I understand why failures occur from shock loading (gear shift events, etc ), but not upon unloading
Flat edge ? Before machine shop ?
O snap look at that MR2 walkin by ya
Mentioned in the video that Nitrous has a small window of high-pressure and turbo has a longer window of high-pressure. Do you happen to know what the window is for Nitromethane?
Can you explain about the damper part again and how can that be repaired ?
Cool Video tho.
Greetings
Whose the mr2 that he was racing
Looks like the guy with the wide body K20 recently featured on TRC
K20 turbo MR2....
18:24-19:10 Well said Jay....well said.
Thank you
I blew up a jet ski coming off power so the information was interesting 😎
God I wish we had your shop in LA want to send my 97 in
I thought stock internals 2jz is good to 600 to 700hp? What did they do so it could survive to 1000hp+?
You need to get an impact for those little bolts it makes it faster
Jay has a drawer of impacts but leaves them in the drawer for engine work. He prefers to feel how each bolt comes out and geos in. You can learn a lot about the health of a bolt by the way it breaks free and tightens back down. Especially bolts in engines that get torn down for inspection frequently. Jay has a tech tip on this channel about bolt health and how to know when its time to replace a bolt instead of reusing it. Using impact guns on important hardware causes you to lose a feel for the bolt. It also tends to tempt people into making mistakes like running a cap bolt/nut all the way down on one side before moving to the other side, instead of slowly working them down on both sides evenly. There is a time and a place for impacts, but we will continue to leave them in the tool box when doing engine work.
But...but...according to the internet the 2JZ never breaks!
Seriously, though, these are tough engines and it takes a lot to break them, clearly.
@Chaminda Thushara Ruwan Kasturi
ua-cam.com/video/GYDhdonrWuw/v-deo.html
Lol, I like the 2JZ but, yeah, sometimes people elevate an engine to godhood status and that's a hard reputation to live up to. LS guys are almost as bad about that. These things are machines. They all have their limits.
all engines have their limits. 2JZ has a HIGH limit because it was over engineered. What other motor from FACTORY condition can TRIPLE its crank hp without a single internal mod to the block and do it day in and out ?? NONE that i know of. Most can double with a good tune. But triple its crank hp and hold there all day long ..?? Nope
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam
One of my old 350's lived forever at triple the factory hp...
...which was 140...
Well said, sir.
Dude! You was getting it but that MR2 was just cruising 😂
Man... Wish I could get you to tune my 2JZ GTE swapped Lexus IS200 here in Mauritius
That's why I just want all stock I had my fun with the 7M now I have something better than that and I'm only running it at 30%-40% with no work just stock
Great video
Thanks!
Pretty cool shit. So was the fretting on the damper and flywheel a failure of the fasteners to create sufficient friction to hold those parts in place? Or was it that once the damper started moving, the flywheel just couldn't hang on?
I was working on my car. And noticed voice sounded familiar.. then I said, I know that voice. And sure enough it was the Zupra! 😂
I laughed at 2:10 💪👍🤘
#gapped
Mr2 wins! 😂
Manifold vacuum sucks the tops of the pistons off the rods
Was this a vvti engine?
Jay's not mad, he's just disappointed.
He seems more analytical/amazed at what happened to that engine. It WAS beat to death...make no mistake.
Dude I almost had you
You almost had your car....🏁
Who'd have expected 46psi on stock internals would explode like that?
So 45 is the limit
what a great video this one was
Nothing like a little bit of JB Weld can't fix!
him explaining to jay what happened felt like me explaining to the wife why i was out all night with the boys hahaha
New too channel hope to get a 2jz built by you
Wow that's literally my engine 😂 same hole, same broken rod, same broken piston
@3UZ-GS 764/742 at 34psi on a mustang dyno. Swapped wastegates and the gate didn't open so it was probably upwards of 40psi when it blew. The cast manifold made tons of torque, pretty sure that's what did it
@3UZ-GS cast wheel s366, .88ar open t4
Wonder how long a stock 2J will last at its rated 327hp?
Forever
All I wanted for Christmas was a 600 HP 2JZ in my 3rd gen 4runner...
well maybe next year or the year after.
That sounds like fun. Link us when you pull the trigger
Let’s talk about that civic giving the gap sauce
yup he gave me the gap alright that car is really fast and well put together I give josh all the credit on his build
Its almost sad, I feel like its so proven what stock can do before blowing up, all to have to buy another engine, that one looked like it was in good condition all it needed was a build :(
I guess my 550whp GTE might live forever? I have had those greedy thoughts though.
I love how he tells you 20 different things caused it but what ACUALLY caused it .tuning
I mean now we know the limit to stock gte rods are 1000 hp
Can’t believe how quiet these guys are I’d be responding with questions and everything
There were a lot of questions, video editing requires a lot of footage get cut out or the video ends up being 4 hours long
Jay was low key mad lol
Lol him using slow hand tools is triggering my ocd lol. Where’s the compact impact ???
Juan, he wont use impact guns on engine work.
Only IDIOTS would use an impact gun on an engine. And trust me there are a LOT OF IDIOTS out there and one of them is famous on UA-cam ...
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam
do you not see the giant hole in the block???
@@juanc5149 what does that have anything to do with an impact gun ?
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam
So, there’s 0 reason not to use an impact wrench on that block, to remove components. Everything on that block is trashed.
Jay and Papadakis when?
So no one is gonna talk about how he making over 1000 horsepower with no cage...
who cares ....
Last time I did this the camshaft bent and the crankshaft watch out.
Goes to show you how well engineered the 2JZ and the 1JZ are. I mean your talking about 700 HP over its original Stock OEM configuration. Toyota because no body comes better in reliability then Toyota, or even ACURA and Porsches probably the best machinery money can buy!!!
And I would like to keep my six speed transmission
When he used trauma on the engine, I gave up.. 😂😂😂😂
All these guys blowing up supras... Are there many left?
Stock block is good for 500-600hp ive been told multiple times.
Why go further without building the motor? You are just going to destroy it... bloody stupid
No nitrous for me! 😬 💥
lol is that a mr2 catching up to him?
i want a real st sticker just so people would think my car is fast.
Blast a 2jz to one puzzle,all things have some limits
Rod bolts are a weak point on any high hp engine.
Somebody get this guy an impact wrench for his birthday FFS
Haha he never uses an impact wrench on engine work. Cant feel how the bolt comes out and goes back in.
Dr. Meagher
at your service.
This video made me super sad
That’s not shit I saw someone running 62 on later model 2jz stock
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