Firmware 7.0 got released, Fixes "Hand detection" PART 2 : ua-cam.com/video/mcyiDzgnsnQ/v-deo.htmlsi=PzkZ9qvnkYpP_WFB Old videos about fujifilm autofocus issues : Jared z - Autofocus problems XT5 XH2 video - ua-cam.com/video/tnaKQDMM4lk/v-deo.htmlsi=TuPcj_70aWAnxx_3 Eddy Summers - XH2s autofocus video - ua-cam.com/video/-K3j6djuetg/v-deo.htmlsi=h-fzJiMHfVGvPwKq Tom Wright - XH2S autofocus issues - ua-cam.com/video/v17yNkLqtMQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U8k34xuaxBCoB01U * ua-cam.com/video/gaYjAO4LhlI/v-deo.htmlsi=tdclatLi_ecUOSO4 One more XH2s user tested it and got the same results, My camera wasn't "defective" * ua-cam.com/video/losiVoKUZLI/v-deo.html XS20 fw 1.11 vs xh2s 6.0 23mm f2 * ua-cam.com/video/EyGymn2aDqU/v-deo.htmlsi=n0KdROIbW32Dmv4Y I uploaded a short update on this channel to show you that I am right about false positive focus :
@@Powerland56 could be, but I was a bit tired of searching for perfect settings all the time. I kept my xt3 and love it so much, but went for something much easier for setting and much more effective when it comes to af for fast moving subjects.
@@Powerland56Why would anyone want to spend eons of time setting up AF?! I certainly don’t have to on my Sony platforms. I actually want to switch to Fuji, but Fuji keeps encouraging me not to. AF is the key criminal consistently on a multitude of forums. I was so tired of trying to massage the AF out of the Z6ii that I ditched Nikon… had used them for decades, looks like they finally have their 3D figured out again. Truly hoping Fuji figures it out, it’s certainly costing them sales.
thank you for this I’ve been searching for an honest video. I’m currently shooting with an a7iv and the Fuji system has been tempting me. Love the colors of the Fuji and the film sims seem interesting for when you don’t want to shoot raw but I’ll stick with my Sony till this is ironed out.
@derJackistweg My Z6II had better AF. So no, you don't have to spend more. You can spend quite a bit less and get better AF. Sonys 10yr old cameras have better AF. Cheap used. For $2500 the XH2s should've had amazing AF out of the box. You know, like Fuji claimed. They were wrong. And they've made it worse with firmware upgraded. It's the processor. It's not good enough. Nikon didn't have amazing AF until they developed the 7th Gen chip.
@@withoutpassid No and of course it does NOT. Just because of business reasons! WHY would any company build the "perfect product"? Because they don´t want to sell any new one? A6700, is a nice one to make fotos. IF it would be better I could have saved a lot of money, but sadly it isn`t. For Video it is far behind my X-H2s, because: - very bad rolling shutter - NO 10 bit ! - X-H2s makes 14 (!!!) stop of dynamic range in F-Log2 - no 4K 120 - no 4K 60 W/O crop - no video RAW - overheating ! - 2 card slots and one CF express B - Full size HDMI - way better viewfinder And of course the X-H2s makes hell of a lot more frames / s, if one needs that. But: If you are happy with a A6700, go for it.
I shoot portraits with the X-T5, and basically half of my shots are focused somewhere totally different than the green box was locked on. Even if it focuses on the eye, it would not focus on the iris, but the eye lashes, so if I come close to the model with an F/1.4 then don't expect the AF to do what you want it to do. Zoom lenses are the worse (16-55 in particular) and I get it that the camera decides where to focus, but it sends back signal to the lens that processes the information, and also it's different with every lens how much and what kind of (focal plane) light hits the sensor, so some lenses are still gonna be better at AF than others. I have Fuji's top portrait lens, the XF90, and it's still just meh. I prefer to just focus myself with one small focus point, but that's hard to do when your model is actually moving :P so well... you guys wanted vintage film photography feel? You got it! :D Anyway, I still love the colours and the film-like texture of the photos, so I'm trying to learn shooting like if I was in the 90's, but maybe one day I might give up.
@@Disruptor23 the X-T5 has it's pros, you'll love the colour grading and the nature of the photos, menu system is easy to use, quite light... but the focus is not up to 2024 standards.
@@dandanu2526 cause I couldn't find anything else that have good enough colour science, so I cannot get the results I want with a Sony/Canon/Nikon/etc... I'm left with no choice but over-shooting, so I get the good shots. Every 30-40th shots are faulty tho, and it's after a body swap under warranty. The official Fuji service could not explain the random blurry shots, cause it wasn't motion blur, looked more like if the IBIS was jerking the sensor randomly.. (even at 1/8000) that was not a problem with my X-E4... so idk... gave up thinking about it, just trying to go around the problem
ya all want details? I use the x-h2s with the 23mm 1.4 LM lens, and even at f /4 I have the same performance after the 6.0 update so put down your pitchforks.. Tracking was extremely dissapointing endeavour for me as well, and while I was happy with the AF before the update (mostly), I find it worse right now. For the sake of argument, even if only our cameras got worse after the update (which is not the case, I see people in X-H2s groups every day with the same complaint), it's still a fujifilm software issue, so stop defending them, maybe? I get it, I love my X-H2s as well, but a shitty behaviour is a shitty behaviour!
And a shitty brand is a shitty brand. Giving them money just enforces their awful behavior. Hoping they get bought out since nothing good will ever come out anyway
I switched from Canon DSLR 60D to Fujifilm X-T1 & X-T3 at the time but very dissapointed experiences on autofocus! I sshot my friends while motobike trips (touring)… the focus almost 90% failed… I have already heavily invest on prime fujifilm native lens… finally in this year 2024 I switch to Sony APSC camera A6600
Hey Man, I appreciate you doing this video. I hear everyone comments but you show your test, not sure how that is user error with a detail explanation if they do not have this issue. I have a LUMIX S5 IIX and looking at this Camera for my next purchase. I will have to rent this and try it for myself. Thanks again.
Thank you for having the courage to post the reality of the Fuji cameras. I have the GFX100 II and XT5 and they both do exactly what you’ve shown. It’s incredibly frustrating. I bought a Sony A7R5 out of frustration and it’s miles ahead of Fujifilm for AF.
i am listning a lot of complaints about fuji autofucus, on youtube, but how some prefessional photographers able to take sharp photos and they even shot a perfect wedding videos. how come.?
Dang, But Sonys colors are horrible and its like a auto machine without soul. I get what yall saying but its about you learning to walk around it and handle it and a bit more of an effort and become one with the camera. Sony is amazing, but its soulless, but for sports yes, no doubt.
@@isaacxvasquez Sony colors aren't bad, that's just a myth if you actually compare it directly with other camera brands. Soulless is just another typical cliched and ignorant criticism of Sony without actual direct comparisons. Every camera processes colors differently by software design and you have the freedom to change it to whatever you want
Thanks for making the effort to show this. I called Fujifilm with this issue about a year ago and there was no explanation. It drove me nuts. I went back to Canon.
I was mad at you for claiming that before watching the video, but then i tried what you did at 07:00 with my xh2s with a 16mm and yeah, you're right. They messed up big time on this update. Hope the latest firmware with reala ace can fix this. Do you know if there's a way to downgrade the firmware? I think you should email this video to Fujifilm, they've got to do something.
Hello, As you can see I am mad too haha because I really liked the camera and wanted to be "ok" in af, not the best. But it is not ok , false focus in photos , Not one single transition in video is smooth, everytime jittery or stopping in the middle of transition without any reason. No you cannot downgrade.
I’ve just got round to testing the update. I used it with the 18mm f1.4 and Viltrox 27mm 1.2. Took my kids to play football and then the park. It tracked both photos and video very very well, fast paced running and swinging on swings. Looking at your test, you seem to be moving the camera back and forth very quickly, too quickly and especially too quick for 250 shutter speed if it’s photos. I have an fx3 and the focus is better but not night and day.
Yeah I get that. It does do some weird things occasionally and I think a a tweak with a firmware update will stop that. I hope so because Fuji are getting very close to canon and the latest Nikons. Sony always win in regards to continuous AF of course. Fingers crossed for another tweak with the firmware.
What's most unfortunate about all of this is just how far behind Fujifilm really is with its autofocus and its users are somehow convinced that it's just as good if not better than Sony/Canon. This will be the second time I sold an X-H2S camera body and it will be the last. I'm done believing that Fujifilm will ever overcome this limitation and get back to using Fujifilm for what they truly excel at; travel and recreational photography. For that task, the X-T series has always been my preference so I realize now that there is no real reason for me to keep the X-H2S.
i am listning a lot of complaints about fuji autofucus, on youtube, but how some prefessional photographers able to take sharp photos and they even shot a perfect wedding videos. how come.?
Alien technology! LOL. You made my day today, man! I own an X-H2. And I have the same focusing issues. But I had no idea it was extraterrestrial technology :)
face detect box does mean that camera tells "we know there is face" it is not "we focused there". face detect focus is just useful for photo only. when eye detect focus on for video, focus wobbles a lot. so i didnt use eye decect af for video with xh2s your video is very helpful and fun kkk
Facts. I have an X-T3 but my next camera won't be from Fujifilm, they're just not improving. It's also funny to see commenters blaming the lens for being too slow while it actually loses focus very fast when hand covers the face.
Thank you for your courage. I was hesitating to buy an XH2-S soon (I currently have an X-T3) to take wildlife photos (birds in flight among other things). The number of blurred photos with the X-T3 is significant. I was hoping to solve this problem with the XH2-S but it doesn't seem to work any better. The large number of XH2-S owners who, like you, have reported this problem means that there can be no doubt about the veracity of the problem. I hope that Fuji will take users' complaints seriously, otherwise many, like me, may turn to other brands when reliable AF is a must! For my part, I'm putting on hold any idea of buying the XH2-S until I see whether FUJI reacts or not... Thanks again for your work
At the beggining when I've posted this video everyone was telling me I am an idiot and dont know how to use the camera, And look what is happening now.
It doesn't do this anymore, the "hand detection" , they fixed it with f 7.0 but video af and the overall af is still bad. Was better on fw 1. Check my videos
I find it pretty dubious you’re not willing to share any lens info, most of these comments are folks asking about your lenses and your only response is “it’s not the lenses”. I see you also said a number of times “firmware will not make a lens focus incorrectly” or something similar which is objectively not true. Look at Rokinon/Samyang lenses, you can download a tool to adjust fine AF focus distance which is exactly what you’re claiming doesn’t exist. The fact you’ve even posted an “update” video and still won’t talk about lenses I think says everything here.
Generally I have to agree false autofocus in Fuji still exists, we can have a box in the eyes of face showing that the autofocus working, but it actually does not when we view it from the final screen. But not thinking to jump ship as I am still positive that Fuji will fix it.
Sharing my experience here. 2yrs ago, I tested the XT-4 on a model / fashion shoot and the single point AF feels ok but... AF-C without subject tracking was completely whack. I thought my technique was bad after all, I only ever shot Canon for the last 12yrs, never a Fujifilm. A couple of months later, I tried the XH-2 (non-S) but the results were nearly the same, subject tracking back then was completely whack... it couldn't stay on a subject even with minor movement in the scene. Non-subject tracking AF-C was the same as the XT-4. That surprised me since on most UA-cam videos, they say the AF on Fujifilm cameras are fine... fortunately, I took it to myself to test all the major brands before deciding to switch to Sony. If I just watched UA-cam videos, I really might have gone to Fujifilm and got stuck with a system that I could barely use.
Can you do I Nikon Z8 / Z9 review? I wanna sell all my fuji gear and switch to nikon, this shit is unaccaptable. Had the XH2s since release, and it only gets worse.
I can assure you, the Z8 is WAY better with AF than the XH2s, XH2 or XT5. I owned all three along with most of the newest Fuji lenses. I use the Z8 with a host of old F lenses adapted with the FTZII and a few Z lenses. The AF is astonishing compered to the Fuji cameras. Also better low light and IQ INMHO.
@@christianschug8044 very reliable. Ironically it's extremely good with video. Especially after the 2.0 update. I use it for photography and the subject tracking is way more reliable than Fujis.
does fujifilm people ever listen to customers feedback or look at reviews like this? or they just dont care. Im sure this is not the only bad review out there. I hope they see this and for sure they know what they are lacking. I was planning on buying a fujifilm cam for my GF mainly because of the film simulations, but this an absolute deal breaker for me. No excuses. I currently have a sony A7Cii, and to think i was considering switching to an xh2 so that me and my GF have the same gear. Nevermind then, lol.
thank you, I finally find what the problem is...I am a new learner and thought that was my fault.....after shooting thousands pics and nearly all blurred...
I have a Fuji xt-3, I love it. The dials, the image quality, the colors, its manageability. But you are 100% right, autofocus is garbage. It has the same autofocus as a blackmagic, but with worse colors and one stop less dynamic range. As soon as I can I will change the system. I don't like Sony, colors, video settings, etc., but there is no alternative, if you don't have a focus assist. Thank you very much for telling the truth
As a Fuji user myself you did make some valid points and some points, attempted, made for questionable credibility from not considering all the variables. If you need cutting edge focus for complex run and gun situations everyone should know by now Fuji is 1-2 generations behind Sony.
The main purpose of the video was to start a wakeup call and maybe they will fix it ( but I have 0 expectiations ) because overall I really liked the camera. I posted a video comparing it with an xs20 with almost original firmware ua-cam.com/video/losiVoKUZLI/v-deo.html .
Thanks man, I was about to buy this over the Sony a6700 becuase of the dual card slots on the X-H2, but maybe it is better to take the risk on a card failure which is very unlikely - rather than take the risk of having out of focus images and video written to 2 cards, which seems very likely!
Hi, I tried it on my xh2s with the fuji 33mm and I had your same issues (less than yours), then I switched to "single point" mode and from 117 to 425 and it works fine. Can you try please?
I have an X-h2 and got some bad results doing DR400 and ISO500 on a XF 16-55 zoom, also got some really bad autofocus behavior after shooting for 3h, at the end of the session i noticed my autofocus wasn't the same. It got to a point where i had to stop and consider shooting manually. Since day one that i had an X-e4, and now that i use the X-h2 for work, updating the camera for better autofocus felt like placebo to me, it makes no sense that a camera this expensive with a smaller sensor can be so bad at times. But I'll keep it anyway, i love the colors, agree with you that most reviews here on YT are useless.
My opinion is that the mount is made badly (old technology) and can't really be fixed. Same 3rd party lens with the same motors (you can hear them) behaves very very very different on a sony than on a fuji, Example on fuji in video (max speed) sound like this (-- - -- ----- - -- -- ----- ) and on the sony (-----------------------------------------------------) when getting closer to a subject.
@@edvard2942 Yeah, i would probably try the new 1.4 lenses from Fuji; those are on the 40mp compatibility list and have linear motors, as they advertise, i think it might be a better experience.
From my experience, my x-t3 would have better auto focus than my newer x-h2 i still love it but needs improvement, i also found that some lenses work better than others. Viltrox 75mm works great for photos. Whilst my tamron 150-500 kind of sucks for 1100 usd.
I think Fuji has a problem with PDAF. I think it reverts to Contrast Detect AF a majority of the time. The funny thing is, a lot of Fuji fanboys have made fun of Panasonic's CDAF system (before they added PDAF recently) when Fuji isn't much better at all. They fooled me once, never again. All I ever asked of them was to tell the truth about their limitations. Fuji lied when they said the XH2s was as good as Sony and Canon AF. Thank goodness Nikon caught up with the Z9/Z8 so I didn't have to go back to Sony or Canon.
Actually the camera uses only 117 af points (besides the small box "area" in photo mode,wich is the best check at 11:20) and I think those 117 are not even close to enough to track something in a 6K resolution image sensor.And The camera uses CDAF most of the time. That's why it sucks.
I made this video hoping that something will change , I am a hybrid shooter, mostly videos, and Its unusable if you want to track something , or do a focus pull , Only way to film something is to set speed between 0 and -1 or 2 and sensitivity to +3 or 4. If not the af will lose its mind in every very easy scenario , even a static talking head.
@@edvard2942 I'm a hybrid shooter too, ver5.0 was near perfect for the birds in flight and I loved it and now 6.0 is almost unusable, I did try shooting an Egret yesterday and focus was jumping all around and mostly focussed on the background.
@@sr.rekula I kinda warned you with this video that the new "MAJOR FIRMWARE" is not ok. And yes, forgot to mention in video , same thing happends with animals eyes, if a branch for example is covering a part of the animals body/face. (It does this harder than with human faces, but the point is that its not trustworthy)
Question, Edvard: If you go for a ride with two different cars, a Porsche 911 and a Trabant, the car is just a car, it's your brain in absolute control. Do you believe that speed, acceleration, safety, steering, sound, feeling are the same just because the driver is the same? 😉
Interesting. I definitely wouldn't call its autofocus amazing but this is wildly different than my experience so far (and I've put it through some difficult situations!). Funny enough it would be much better for my use case if my camera did this, ie consistently focus on the element closer to the lens.
@@edvard2942 I seldom use face / eye detection though.. i do mostly manual shots but do use continious in some situations. Didnt experience any problems during my wedding jobs with my x-t5
It's possible that you received a bad unit. It happens. Automobiles, electronics, etc. manufacturing or assembly faults. No manufacturing is 100% perfect 100% of the time.
I know how to set up any camera for every scenario, In every settings possible it behaves like this, no matter the speed/tracking sensitivity value , no matter the lens . I think those are bugs from the newest firmwares since 3.0.
@@edvard2942 I think you misunderstood me ... Sometimes the firmware download gets currupt and you need to reload the firmware... The issue is that when this happens most people don't know how to revert to the previous firmware and therefore they keep getting the same problem
@@CharlezRichard I'm sorry to say but if the firmware gets "corrupt" as you say you have a potato, camera will not turn on. Also you can't revert to previous firmware on fujifilm cameras or any modern cameras. Do you even own a camera like this ? Or you just comment on my video that I dont know to set up my camera for fun ?
You are the second youtuber who says the new firmware sucks. It's a shame. I will not update the firmware...it's so sad because the potential of that camera should be very high. Shame on fuji.
It's a bug, moreover it concerns a very particular situation. On other cameras, from other brands, how does it work? Are there any videos that do the same thing, the same test?
So all new fujifilm from here on are shit. Just as I thought. At least we know that those youtubers still making fuji content, aka advertisements, are utter shills now.
All the comments are proving yet again that there is no such thing as set it and forget it in Fuji land. The user who has problems is the problem. No, Fujifilm AF is still behind.
Wow! A brutal, but honest and thorough, take down! And the best part is that you did all the troubleshooting that Fuji should be doing, in order to find the root of the problem for them. If I were running that company I would hire you and make you the lead quality engineer on the AF development team. If you continue to make videos like this, your channel will grow quickly. Thanks, man....I just subscribed.
Other issue that I will probably make a video about is the way camera communicates with the lens, It does that in steps, in a very low frequency. Thats why the steps are always seen and looking awful. Thanks
The lens truly impacts the AF speed. Just as you said, the camera determines it is focused, but in real world, only move the optical elements to adjust the focus, that mean if the lens focussing is slow (move the optical elements front/back slowly ) even the camera tracking the subject successfully (camera guess the correct focus length ) but the lens is moving slowly, and you moving again, finally you also can’t aim the object. Why I know that, because when I use my xt3 + xf 100-400 for bird photography, it clearly let me know the focusing between the camera and lens is not at the same time (not synchronized), I feel the lens is slower than the camera detection.
I agree that some lenses are faster than others but please explain the performance at 11:13 with 425 af points. It did a very good job. I purposely moved fast in all my test to show you how bad it is. The test with with fixed "area mode" worked like a charm , So the lens was fast enough. After that with the subject tracking mode or tracking box was very bad.
@@edvard2942425 points mean whole screen…in the green box, sorry😢 And tracking is a little bit tricky, my xt3 it only track the white box (when you move the green box you can see some white box) that mean if nine white box in the green box, the system only tracking that nine white box…if the eye’s between the white box, it can’t aim them😂I haven’t new model, I don’t know new model is changed or not.
I was quite happy with the autofocus system on my X-S20. Since the 2.01 firmware update, many of my photos are out of focus. THAT WASN'T THE CASE BEFORE. Like you, green autofocus boxe on the eye, but when I review the photo on my computer, it's not pin sharp on the eye (when it's not blurry). Worse still, it now finds 'eyes' in the ears, in the middle of the hair on the head, or in the background even if there's no-one there. This could happen occasionally before, but it was rare. One more time it wasn't the case with firmware 1.20. I was expecting top-of-the-line autofocus with this so-called "major update". I'm very disappointed and even upset. HOW CAN I GO BACK TO THE OLD FIRMWARE? WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD VERSION 1.20? Thanks in advance for your help!
@@edvard2942 The X-H2s and the X-S20 have the same processor (X-Processor 5) and the details of the firmware update are exactly the same for the autofocus part. Your camera's autofocus system worked better before the update, didn't it?
@@Filmin1235 I bought the camera with 5.01 or something like that, I tought that it will be very usable autofocus after all "youtube reviews". It was bad even on 5.0 firmware. But I bought it exactly when the 6.0 was announced in february. Hear me out , The tracking still sucked , video af still sucked. People with 5.0 firmware are telling me that the eye-hand issues is not present so this "bug" that could be fixed is in the 6.0 but yet still, tracking af in both stills and especially video is the horrendous. In video you can't have one single smooth transition (focus pull) , it works in steps and its slow. The best video AF tracking is actually the 40fps burst in photo with the "AREA" 425points at 10:45 , the af in that mode it is really like "SONY"
Absolute f*cking legend! I own the X-H2s and 6 lenses 3 red badge and my experience is exactly this! I just got an a7Rv and an a9 III for testing and I can tell you, I completely agree with you. Shot 10.000 images yesterday at a football match (120fps a few times) and around 10 of them was missed focus…food for thought
@@therealjimmy5411 ok… the A7IV would also run AF circles around the X-H2 lineup… but I’d rather have the X-H2’s EVF & LCD any day over the A7IV”s (and at $500 less). My point is that you don’t always get what you pay for. A7IV is at price parity with the X-H2S.
Same, but inverse. I owned used and sold 3 sony cameras that I use in parallel with my xh2s and xs20. They all were disappointing. The color science, lack of cf express type b, no 6k, no open gate, no 4k120 was just too much of a hassle compared to my beloved xh2s that was a beast. Autofocus was good, but that's only what Sony cameras have, and I'm pulling my own focus most of the time anyway. So let's not try to act like autofocus is the greatest feature a camera can have, it's not. Learn to use the camera first, abuse its strength, cope with its weaknesses, if you can't get the results you want and you are sure that everything you could, then you sell them and you make a video. Not before, and not for autofocus.
@@tuzuharurakutu allow me to help you, my issue is not autofocus, my issue is seeing 1 piece of info such as eye is in focus and then going home and finding out that 4 out of 10 shots are actually focussed somewhere else. It’s slow lenses, bad data flow and lack of acknowledgement for weeks now is the real issue.
@@cohoonatube I don't give a shit what the image looks like in the EVF, I care about what the shot looks like on the on the card. People complain that the Sony EVF's are 1 billion pixels in resolution, but Sony's AF is near perfect, and the images are razor sharp. That's what really counts, not the the bloody EVF.
All i experience is that no matter what your focus area is small or zone, the face tracking/recognition always jumps outside the focus area box. Its sucks
Thank you so much for this video. I shoot with Fuji X-T200 with XC 15-45mm and Sigma 56mm 1.4....and this exact same issue exists in my camera too...for some time I thought it's because I'm using a cheaper Fuji camera or maybe because of the third party lens but looking at your tests and some other videos... I'm now convinced that this issue exists across all Fuji cameras. I've now decided to slowly shift towards Sony.
Nah, wholeheartedly disagree. Im really starting to believe these are user error with the settings not set correctly. I am a videographer for a channel with 4.34 million subscribers and take photos for commercial websites & motorsport, and i ONLY use the Fujifilm XH2S. I also only use Viltrox lenses, which focus speed is incredible with. Alot of these videos i film are fast paced movements. I came from a canon R6 and the Fujifilm hit rate is now around 95% as good as the canon.
I took the effort, watched the video more than once and read all the comments below until today. To say it in advance, I'm a photo hobbyist with some semi professional tasks sometimes. The reason why I'm interested in your video is because I'm thinking about switching from Sony to Fuji because of the 'fun factor' as well as the 'famous Fuji colors'. Thus, your findings are important for my decision, so thank you for the effort you took with all your experiments. And that is what brings to my perspective, which I would like to add to all the discussions. What you did is an experiment. And to be recognized with the results of an experiment the experimentalist has to make the conditions, under which the experiment had been done, official. Why ? To enable other experimentalist to reproduce the findings in their own laboratory/environment. This is the (perhaps directly after the first rule, which is to be honest) the second important rule in experimental science. In order to be recognized by the community, you have to open up the details of your experimental setup. In cases where the author refuses to do so, there will be no serious journal willing to publish any article about what you were doing. So the question arising to me is, is it your intention to get seriously recognized by others with your findings or not ? If yes, you won't get around telling your specific camera settings as well as the exact lense types you used. End of comment at that point. But I will also comment on the question, whether or not a lens is one of the decisive components for AF performance. As far as I understand AF technology, the general layout of such an AF system is a control loop, in which both, the camara processor with its software as well as the lens are taking part. The lens is not only the component, which reacts on what is coming as a steering signal from the processor. There is also a feedback from the lens, because the processor gets its informations through the lens. In such a system (and I constructed some of these feedback loops in my professional life) the most important parameters are the time constants of the different components. If these doesn't much in some certain range, the feedback loop isn't working properly. The usual symptoms in this case is either that the system starts to oscillate or that it reacts much to slow. That doesn't mean necessarily that this is the reason for the bad Af performance in your experiment. Frankly I even don't think so, because it can't explain the fact that the camera notoriously focuses on things outside of the 'green' eye-af-box. But what it means is that the lens with its own time constant (AF speed) is an important ingredient within the AF feedback loop and must not be disregarded. Finally I very much hope that you are willing to share your experimental setup (all the parameters) with the community, in order to enable the reproduction of your results. In this case one can even think about making the results available to the Fuji R&D department to help improving their AF-systems.
You took a time to watch the video and also you're saying that the lenses are the problem or settings, Lens or lens speed is not decisive in a person staying still and the camera focusing on other things that it shows you will focus. I dont care if any "journal" recognize me or post my stuff, I did already 4 videos on this topic , latest one with the best fuji lens. And also compared it with a cheap chinese lens. Results were the same, People who are not seeing that the lens in not the issue, and the settings is not the issue, dont understand how a camera AF system works. And with your comment you showed that too.
@@edvard2942Ok, it was an attempt to bring the discussion back to a common sense. But it was my guess anyway that you will react in your usual way. As far as my above question is concerned, I've now learned that your intention is not to bring the community any further. As you prefer, you won't get any counter-talk from my side. Have a nice day !
I have an XH2s and I love it, but I see exactly this on wildlife photography/videography all the time. Focus box over the bird but something else in focus. I've even seen this even on Fuji's own videos. It also loses focus if a bird in flight flies in front of a tree or something else in the background. If the box knows what to focus on, why doesn't the camera focus on it? I feel like there's something fundamentally wrong with Fuji's AF. Luckily I quite enjoy using mf...
Thanks a million for exposing Fuji camera focus deficiencies. I was thinking about purchasing Fuji, but decided to wait and see if there is any significant improvement.
thanks alot for shareing this... i posted your video yesterday on a big fuji facebook group... it had alot feedback, but was deleted today. there are so much fuji fanboys out there. and yes, im also one. i love fuji since the XT1, XT2, XT3, XH1... bought a whole lenslineup during all the years... but the AF performance was always a big issue for my work at events, where i like to rely on eyeAF tracking. i take fuji just on my private time, with my daughter... but would love to use the expensive lens lineup we have for my daily work as a video and photographer... personally i work with my 15sony bodys... but for a new teammember in our company i thought to invest in the xh2s... she isnt very technical orientated... so to change the AF for every shoot or every lens is not practicable... so we go for a canon R6ii with adapted old EF lenses... we also own alot EF lenses... and are waiting another year for a new fuji where i would love to use also on events. thanks to your video, ... i love your conclusion... fuji should fix it with a complete re-design... focus is the most important stuff. and yes we also worked before with canon und nikon FF without all these goodies... but the sony a9 changed my way to work, i can rely on EYE AF tracking and spend more energy in frameing the shoot, catch the right moment, be aware of the backlight and scenerey in the back... rather then check if its focusing right... and for video with my a7s3... how cool is to have the cam in a gimbal... without a heavy ext display and followfocus system...
You made me laugh @3:00 but you are 100% right on that. I have watched bunch of youtubers that do that. I noticed that they test the AF tracking with a stepped down aperture and wide lenses. However, I still love fujifilm because of the colors.. I hope they will revamp their AF soon..
Pictures of kids on a swing is also a test for an autofocus system that can be repeated easily in any playground, but also in any lab. It is a very repetitive movement. It has a stable curve describing the speed of movement. The movement follows a regular curve. So something that can be detected and can be predicted. And: it is something which many parents and grand parents want to take pictures of. Give it a try. I did so. Getting a sharp picture with my Fuji x-t5 is just luck. Frustrating.
Fuji has agressive marketing and all the reviewers ar well paid. I never seen anyone, who earns mony with photography, using Fuji cameras. And the FUJIFILM X100 series are total joke. Dumb people fall for this marketing and buy a camera that can't even do what phone could.
I only do photography, but still wish I would have seen this video before investing in Fuji again. For the most part it works fine for what I do, but this late in the game I would have liked much better autofocus. Even Panasonic has caught up quickly to the competition. As have all other brands. Fuji is the one slacking the most in AF
If you look closely on my whole talking head (very easy scenario) you will see that 40-50% of the time my face is out of focus , I was using using face-eye detection 0 sens 2 speed Multi.
You should post this video on an official Fujifilm forum if they have it or just send it to their support. There is a bigger chance they will fix the problem if they see it. I shoot on Canon R6 but I'm actually planing to replace it with Fujifilm x-s20 (don't laugh). I need something small for travel and Fujifilm is the only brand I've never owned. I was actually aware about the AF issues but it seems the problem is bigger than I thought.
it was at least more or less possible to use (naturally it could not compare with the autofocus of canon, sony, nikon, etc.). But now with fw 6.00 they broke what was not the best, completely. I don't have enough anger. I have been using Fujifilm cameras for 7 years and I have never encountered such a shame. I bought the H2s in the hope that this camera would finally work as Fujifilm marketers said it would. But no, now, perhaps, this flagship has become a disgrace to the brand. This is very, very, frustrating.
I can also say that you are 100% correct X-H2S autofocus is nowhere as good as Canon or new Lumix S5II and S5IIX cameras. It's even worse than the old Lumix S5 using contract detect. I say this because I photograph kids running around, which is a combination of portrait, wildlife and sports, and I would be lucky if I get 50% of the shot in focus with X-H2S or X-H2. Out of the systems that I have, Canon still goes first, then Lumix then Fujiflim.
Yes i can confirm it, firmware 6.0 broke my xh2s, it can't focus with 33 1.4, it can't focus with fringer adapter and sigma 18 - 35.... I'm very disappointed
I still use single point af for bird photo, birders will think I’m crazy. It’s what I’m used to but I know Fuji tracking isn’t great so I don’t even bother. For birders many use canon and they are top notch esp for small twitchy birds which is really the gold standard test for tracking.
I don't think single point is crazy for birding, it's the only thing that works for me too. I just took my X-H2 to Costa Rica and bird detect would indicate it was focused on the eye but when I reviewed the images it was rarely actually focused on the eye. So I eventually went back to using single point just like I do with my X-T3.
Really great video, agree with you on all of this and on Gerald Undone and Camera Conspiracies, maybe Tony Northrup too, the rest don't seem to go very in depth. Maybe Christopher Frost for lenses but he misses things and doesn't test for very long.
I agree, The ones that dont go very in depth just make the videos for "views" and youtube ad revenue. They just dont test the gear in a real world situations , they do few videos/pictures, tell you their experience after couple of hours with the camera. They dont even search for issues.
And this is their flagship camera, absolute trash. I wouldn’t even touch a Fuji with a 10 foot pole. You saved me money man, I am going to try lumix or Nikon
TLDW: OP reveals at 14:18 that fujifilm uses 104 very spaced out focus points in continuous subject/box/area tracking autofocus tracking instead of 425 (available on single autofocus and small single set point continuous focus) which causes major subject tracking issues as the camera jumps drastically from one of the 104 points to the next despite displaying "tracking" confirmation.
The only very reliable and modern feeling AFC is in that "AREA" with 425 af points, I can shoot bursts of 30fps (video) and it will look almost like a sony autofocus footage asa you can see on 11:20 , THe only mode that uses 425 af points looks very good. The question is, This XH2S has the same 425 and uses only 117 mosty just like the XT3 from 2022.
I would love a video about Panasonic S5II autofocus for photography. I'm leaning towards Panasonic but if the autofocus is on the same level of Fuji then the change would have no sense at all. Thank you! Excellent video! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
It is impossible for the panasonic AF to be like the state of the fuji nou. From what I saw on other reviewers, the autofocus system on S5II (smoothness, accuracy, lack of stepping, lack of hunting) I can 100% be sure that is good. Maybe has some minor quircks but nothing like the fuji. Fujifilm now is not usable unless you shoot at f4 or higher.
Lens does have an effect on AF. STM vs LM. It’s not 100% dependent but it does play a factor. I too have a the 16-55mm LM lens and it seems to be no different than prior firmware for me. I’ll have to test it more on birds and animals jumping around.
I'm finding that when I have a subject's eye locked and there are other people in the background, the camera will sometimes shift focus to someone in the background. This is for still, I don't do video. AF on my X-H2S is significantly worse than before the update. AF problems on firmware 6.00 are being reported widely. People can have different experiences with the same hardware and firmware. Fujifilm have advised me to initialise the camera, which is pretty much their advice for any behaviour that they don't recognise, via their archaic email support.
Fuji eye af is just garbage. Its 10 years behind competitors. I love their colors and have the xt5 but i am really disappointed with the unreliability of the AF.
Buy the stills photography 40mp, 60mp, or 100mp Fujifilm camera over the 'video' centered 20mp xh2s version. Test that one. My xt5 is spot on every time with wr lenses. R3 is the only Canon I would move on to at this point. Color science on Sony cameras is useless for professional photography.
Some commenters 🤓 don't have this issue, so you're wrong even if you showed 10+ examples! You clearly can see how terrible Fuji's autofocus is, but nah, some users are too obsessed. Why doesn't Sony have the same issues? There should not be any excuse for such stupid autofocus. Not even talking about aperture jumps. On Sony even the cheapest $80 pancake zoom has a smooth aperture while zooming if you stop down to a constant f/5.6. Meanwhile Fuji's $400+ XF 16-80 can't do smooth aperture change bruh.
Either they use only single AF (wich works good in stills) , either they didnt update, Either they have f4 lenses and when they take a picture everything in is focus lol , Anyway this new firmwares destroyed the camera, Will make another video today part2
@@edvard2942 okay so 10 years later after the X-T1 release we should still use single AF point, nice. That ten year old camera also has phase detection, so what's even the point of newer cameras.
Firmware 7.0 got released, Fixes "Hand detection"
PART 2 : ua-cam.com/video/mcyiDzgnsnQ/v-deo.htmlsi=PzkZ9qvnkYpP_WFB
Old videos about fujifilm autofocus issues :
Jared z - Autofocus problems XT5 XH2 video - ua-cam.com/video/tnaKQDMM4lk/v-deo.htmlsi=TuPcj_70aWAnxx_3
Eddy Summers - XH2s autofocus video - ua-cam.com/video/-K3j6djuetg/v-deo.htmlsi=h-fzJiMHfVGvPwKq
Tom Wright - XH2S autofocus issues - ua-cam.com/video/v17yNkLqtMQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U8k34xuaxBCoB01U
* ua-cam.com/video/gaYjAO4LhlI/v-deo.htmlsi=tdclatLi_ecUOSO4 One more XH2s user tested it and got the same results, My camera wasn't "defective"
* ua-cam.com/video/losiVoKUZLI/v-deo.html XS20 fw 1.11 vs xh2s 6.0 23mm f2
* ua-cam.com/video/EyGymn2aDqU/v-deo.htmlsi=n0KdROIbW32Dmv4Y I uploaded a short update on this channel to show you that I am right about false positive focus :
Amazing analysis to sum up this everlasting problem.
Amazing analysis for users, who can not set their camera correctly.
@@Powerland56 could be, but I was a bit tired of searching for perfect settings all the time. I kept my xt3 and love it so much, but went for something much easier for setting and much more effective when it comes to af for fast moving subjects.
@@Powerland56Why would anyone want to spend eons of time setting up AF?! I certainly don’t have to on my Sony platforms. I actually want to switch to Fuji, but Fuji keeps encouraging me not to. AF is the key criminal consistently on a multitude of forums. I was so tired of trying to massage the AF out of the Z6ii that I ditched Nikon… had used them for decades, looks like they finally have their 3D figured out again. Truly hoping Fuji figures it out, it’s certainly costing them sales.
thank you for this I’ve been searching for an honest video. I’m currently shooting with an a7iv and the Fuji system has been tempting me. Love the colors of the Fuji and the film sims seem interesting for when you don’t want to shoot raw but I’ll stick with my Sony till this is ironed out.
I fixed all my Fuji AF problems by selling it all and buying a Nikon Z8. Problem solved and near perfect AF achieved.
😂😂 good decision 😂😂
I can't afford to sell my Fuji as I brought it recently n brought 150-500 lens also.. so will try it till eternity 😂
When you step up 1500€ - you get better gear. Is that what you are saying?
@derJackistweg My Z6II had better AF. So no, you don't have to spend more. You can spend quite a bit less and get better AF. Sonys 10yr old cameras have better AF. Cheap used. For $2500 the XH2s should've had amazing AF out of the box. You know, like Fuji claimed. They were wrong. And they've made it worse with firmware upgraded. It's the processor. It's not good enough. Nikon didn't have amazing AF until they developed the 7th Gen chip.
@@derJackistweg Sony a6700 blow any Fuji camera out of water
@@withoutpassid No and of course it does NOT.
Just because of business reasons! WHY would any company build the "perfect product"? Because they don´t want to sell any new one?
A6700, is a nice one to make fotos.
IF it would be better I could have saved a lot of money, but sadly it isn`t.
For Video it is far behind my X-H2s, because:
- very bad rolling shutter
- NO 10 bit !
- X-H2s makes 14 (!!!) stop of dynamic range in F-Log2
- no 4K 120
- no 4K 60 W/O crop
- no video RAW
- overheating !
- 2 card slots and one CF express B
- Full size HDMI
- way better viewfinder
And of course the X-H2s makes hell of a lot more frames / s, if one needs that.
But: If you are happy with a A6700, go for it.
I shoot portraits with the X-T5, and basically half of my shots are focused somewhere totally different than the green box was locked on. Even if it focuses on the eye, it would not focus on the iris, but the eye lashes, so if I come close to the model with an F/1.4 then don't expect the AF to do what you want it to do. Zoom lenses are the worse (16-55 in particular) and I get it that the camera decides where to focus, but it sends back signal to the lens that processes the information, and also it's different with every lens how much and what kind of (focal plane) light hits the sensor, so some lenses are still gonna be better at AF than others. I have Fuji's top portrait lens, the XF90, and it's still just meh. I prefer to just focus myself with one small focus point, but that's hard to do when your model is actually moving :P so well... you guys wanted vintage film photography feel? You got it! :D
Anyway, I still love the colours and the film-like texture of the photos, so I'm trying to learn shooting like if I was in the 90's, but maybe one day I might give up.
Oh no. I'm about to buy that camera.
@@Disruptor23 the X-T5 has it's pros, you'll love the colour grading and the nature of the photos, menu system is easy to use, quite light... but the focus is not up to 2024 standards.
For this exact reason, I now only use Fujifilm for travel and street photography, and I use my Sony A73 for professional portrait work
Why are you still buying these cameras if you know you won't be satisfied with their quality?
@@dandanu2526 cause I couldn't find anything else that have good enough colour science, so I cannot get the results I want with a Sony/Canon/Nikon/etc... I'm left with no choice but over-shooting, so I get the good shots. Every 30-40th shots are faulty tho, and it's after a body swap under warranty. The official Fuji service could not explain the random blurry shots, cause it wasn't motion blur, looked more like if the IBIS was jerking the sensor randomly.. (even at 1/8000) that was not a problem with my X-E4... so idk... gave up thinking about it, just trying to go around the problem
ya all want details? I use the x-h2s with the 23mm 1.4 LM lens, and even at f /4 I have the same performance after the 6.0 update so put down your pitchforks.. Tracking was extremely dissapointing endeavour for me as well, and while I was happy with the AF before the update (mostly), I find it worse right now.
For the sake of argument, even if only our cameras got worse after the update (which is not the case, I see people in X-H2s groups every day with the same complaint), it's still a fujifilm software issue, so stop defending them, maybe?
I get it, I love my X-H2s as well, but a shitty behaviour is a shitty behaviour!
I agree. After this update the camera wont almost never focus perfecty on what you want in afc.
And a shitty brand is a shitty brand. Giving them money just enforces their awful behavior. Hoping they get bought out since nothing good will ever come out anyway
I switched from Canon DSLR 60D to Fujifilm X-T1 & X-T3 at the time but very dissapointed experiences on autofocus! I sshot my friends while motobike trips (touring)… the focus almost 90% failed… I have already heavily invest on prime fujifilm native lens… finally in this year 2024 I switch to Sony APSC camera A6600
this review has gained you a new follower. keep up the great work
Hey Man, I appreciate you doing this video. I hear everyone comments but you show your test, not sure how that is user error with a detail explanation if they do not have this issue. I have a LUMIX S5 IIX and looking at this Camera for my next purchase. I will have to rent this and try it for myself. Thanks again.
Thank you for having the courage to post the reality of the Fuji cameras. I have the GFX100 II and XT5 and they both do exactly what you’ve shown. It’s incredibly frustrating. I bought a Sony A7R5 out of frustration and it’s miles ahead of Fujifilm for AF.
Courage? Yes, you have to have courage to post your own faults and then make Fujifilm responsible for that 😂🤦🏼♂️.
i am listning a lot of complaints about fuji autofucus, on youtube, but how some prefessional photographers able to take sharp photos and they even shot a perfect wedding videos. how come.?
Dang, But Sonys colors are horrible and its like a auto machine without soul. I get what yall saying but its about you learning to walk around it and handle it and a bit more of an effort and become one with the camera. Sony is amazing, but its soulless, but for sports yes, no doubt.
@@isaacxvasquez i agree with you
@@isaacxvasquez Sony colors aren't bad, that's just a myth if you actually compare it directly with other camera brands. Soulless is just another typical cliched and ignorant criticism of Sony without actual direct comparisons. Every camera processes colors differently by software design and you have the freedom to change it to whatever you want
Thanks for making the effort to show this. I called Fujifilm with this issue about a year ago and there was no explanation. It drove me nuts. I went back to Canon.
I was mad at you for claiming that before watching the video, but then i tried what you did at 07:00 with my xh2s with a 16mm and yeah, you're right.
They messed up big time on this update. Hope the latest firmware with reala ace can fix this. Do you know if there's a way to downgrade the firmware?
I think you should email this video to Fujifilm, they've got to do something.
Hello, As you can see I am mad too haha because I really liked the camera and wanted to be "ok" in af, not the best. But it is not ok , false focus in photos , Not one single transition in video is smooth, everytime jittery or stopping in the middle of transition without any reason. No you cannot downgrade.
Just sell them off now and switch to real brands
I’ve just got round to testing the update. I used it with the 18mm f1.4 and Viltrox 27mm 1.2. Took my kids to play football and then the park. It tracked both photos and video very very well, fast paced running and swinging on swings. Looking at your test, you seem to be moving the camera back and forth very quickly, too quickly and especially too quick for 250 shutter speed if it’s photos. I have an fx3 and the focus is better but not night and day.
I’d like to add, all video and photos were shot wide open
I am not saying that the camera can't ever deliver good pictures or pictures in focus , I was analizing its behaviour about false positive focus.
Yeah I get that. It does do some weird things occasionally and I think a a tweak with a firmware update will stop that. I hope so because Fuji are getting very close to canon and the latest Nikons. Sony always win in regards to continuous AF of course. Fingers crossed for another tweak with the firmware.
They are not close to anything. Stop coping, sell them off and get a real brand
What's most unfortunate about all of this is just how far behind Fujifilm really is with its autofocus and its users are somehow convinced that it's just as good if not better than Sony/Canon.
This will be the second time I sold an X-H2S camera body and it will be the last. I'm done believing that Fujifilm will ever overcome this limitation and get back to using Fujifilm for what they truly excel at; travel and recreational photography. For that task, the X-T series has always been my preference so I realize now that there is no real reason for me to keep the X-H2S.
Autofocus should not be the reason why you get or sell a camera. Learn to use it first, show us the results, and then rant.
i am listning a lot of complaints about fuji autofucus, on youtube, but how some prefessional photographers able to take sharp photos and they even shot a perfect wedding videos. how come.?
@@nageshj-v9w Stop copy pasting that same comment. Autofocus is borked on this camera. Period.
I was all set to order the XT-5, and now all of a sudden I'm not....
Alien technology! LOL. You made my day today, man! I own an X-H2. And I have the same focusing issues. But I had no idea it was extraterrestrial technology :)
face detect box does mean that camera tells "we know there is face" it is not "we focused there". face detect focus is just useful for photo only. when eye detect focus on for video, focus wobbles a lot. so i didnt use eye decect af for video with xh2s
your video is very helpful and fun kkk
Facts. I have an X-T3 but my next camera won't be from Fujifilm, they're just not improving. It's also funny to see commenters blaming the lens for being too slow while it actually loses focus very fast when hand covers the face.
haha you made my day
Thank you for your courage.
I was hesitating to buy an XH2-S soon (I currently have an X-T3) to take wildlife photos (birds in flight among other things).
The number of blurred photos with the X-T3 is significant. I was hoping to solve this problem with the XH2-S but it doesn't seem to work any better.
The large number of XH2-S owners who, like you, have reported this problem means that there can be no doubt about the veracity of the problem.
I hope that Fuji will take users' complaints seriously, otherwise many, like me, may turn to other brands when reliable AF is a must!
For my part, I'm putting on hold any idea of buying the XH2-S until I see whether FUJI reacts or not...
Thanks again for your work
At the beggining when I've posted this video everyone was telling me I am an idiot and dont know how to use the camera, And look what is happening now.
What if you disable hand eye detect and manually select eye ? Does it do same ?
It doesn't do this anymore, the "hand detection" , they fixed it with f 7.0 but video af and the overall af is still bad. Was better on fw 1. Check my videos
I find it pretty dubious you’re not willing to share any lens info, most of these comments are folks asking about your lenses and your only response is “it’s not the lenses”.
I see you also said a number of times “firmware will not make a lens focus incorrectly” or something similar which is objectively not true. Look at Rokinon/Samyang lenses, you can download a tool to adjust fine AF focus distance which is exactly what you’re claiming doesn’t exist.
The fact you’ve even posted an “update” video and still won’t talk about lenses I think says everything here.
I posted another unlisted video comparing xs20 1.11 with xh2s 6.0 with 23mm f2. Check my pinned comment.
@@edvard2942 23 f2 is very slow autofocus, did you try latest 23 f1.4 and 33 f1.4
exactly
Generally I have to agree false autofocus in Fuji still exists, we can have a box in the eyes of face showing that the autofocus working, but it actually does not when we view it from the final screen. But not thinking to jump ship as I am still positive that Fuji will fix it.
Sharing my experience here.
2yrs ago, I tested the XT-4 on a model / fashion shoot and the single point AF feels ok but... AF-C without subject tracking was completely whack. I thought my technique was bad after all, I only ever shot Canon for the last 12yrs, never a Fujifilm.
A couple of months later, I tried the XH-2 (non-S) but the results were nearly the same, subject tracking back then was completely whack... it couldn't stay on a subject even with minor movement in the scene. Non-subject tracking AF-C was the same as the XT-4.
That surprised me since on most UA-cam videos, they say the AF on Fujifilm cameras are fine... fortunately, I took it to myself to test all the major brands before deciding to switch to Sony. If I just watched UA-cam videos, I really might have gone to Fujifilm and got stuck with a system that I could barely use.
Can you do I Nikon Z8 / Z9 review? I wanna sell all my fuji gear and switch to nikon, this shit is unaccaptable. Had the XH2s since release, and it only gets worse.
I can assure you, the Z8 is WAY better with AF than the XH2s, XH2 or XT5. I owned all three along with most of the newest Fuji lenses. I use the Z8 with a host of old F lenses adapted with the FTZII and a few Z lenses. The AF is astonishing compered to the Fuji cameras. Also better low light and IQ INMHO.
@@JET-Photo does it work reliably in foto and video?
@@christianschug8044 very reliable. Ironically it's extremely good with video. Especially after the 2.0 update. I use it for photography and the subject tracking is way more reliable than Fujis.
does fujifilm people ever listen to customers feedback or look at reviews like this? or they just dont care. Im sure this is not the only bad review out there. I hope they see this and for sure they know what they are lacking. I was planning on buying a fujifilm cam for my GF mainly because of the film simulations, but this an absolute deal breaker for me. No excuses. I currently have a sony A7Cii, and to think i was considering switching to an xh2 so that me and my GF have the same gear. Nevermind then, lol.
thank you, I finally find what the problem is...I am a new learner and thought that was my fault.....after shooting thousands pics and nearly all blurred...
I have a Fuji xt-3, I love it. The dials, the image quality, the colors, its manageability. But you are 100% right, autofocus is garbage. It has the same autofocus as a blackmagic, but with worse colors and one stop less dynamic range. As soon as I can I will change the system. I don't like Sony, colors, video settings, etc., but there is no alternative, if you don't have a focus assist. Thank you very much for telling the truth
As a Fuji user myself you did make some valid points and some points, attempted, made for questionable credibility from not considering all the variables. If you need cutting edge focus for complex run and gun situations everyone should know by now Fuji is 1-2 generations behind Sony.
The main purpose of the video was to start a wakeup call and maybe they will fix it ( but I have 0 expectiations ) because overall I really liked the camera. I posted a video comparing it with an xs20 with almost original firmware ua-cam.com/video/losiVoKUZLI/v-deo.html .
Thanks man, I was about to buy this over the Sony a6700 becuase of the dual card slots on the X-H2, but maybe it is better to take the risk on a card failure which is very unlikely - rather than take the risk of having out of focus images and video written to 2 cards, which seems very likely!
Never in my 5 years of shooting video have I encountered an sd card failure, and all my cars were cheap ones.
Hi, I tried it on my xh2s with the fuji 33mm and I had your same issues (less than yours), then I switched to "single point" mode and from 117 to 425 and it works fine. Can you try please?
thanks imma try this
Are you able to move around and it keeps track?
Coping fuji shill
I have an X-h2 and got some bad results doing DR400 and ISO500 on a XF 16-55 zoom, also got some really bad autofocus behavior after shooting for 3h, at the end of the session i noticed my autofocus wasn't the same. It got to a point where i had to stop and consider shooting manually. Since day one that i had an X-e4, and now that i use the X-h2 for work, updating the camera for better autofocus felt like placebo to me, it makes no sense that a camera this expensive with a smaller sensor can be so bad at times. But I'll keep it anyway, i love the colors, agree with you that most reviews here on YT are useless.
My opinion is that the mount is made badly (old technology) and can't really be fixed. Same 3rd party lens with the same motors (you can hear them) behaves very very very different on a sony than on a fuji, Example on fuji in video (max speed) sound like this (-- - -- ----- - -- -- ----- ) and on the sony (-----------------------------------------------------) when getting closer to a subject.
@@edvard2942 Yeah, i would probably try the new 1.4 lenses from Fuji; those are on the 40mp compatibility list and have linear motors, as they advertise, i think it might be a better experience.
I have the same problem as you, hope Fuji official will solve it as soon as possible
Fuji green box means what we aim, not what we achieve
what is your (AFC) Speed and sensitivity setting??? (sensitivity +0 )( speed +5 ) ?
Tried every combination, Issue is still present
I just updated my camera yesterday but it’s only the 4.0 so what I’m I missing out here
XH2s firmware 6.0 / XH2 4.0
Love it.
Thank YOU ! You nailed it ! right to the point
From my experience, my x-t3 would have better auto focus than my newer x-h2 i still love it but needs improvement, i also found that some lenses work better than others. Viltrox 75mm works great for photos. Whilst my tamron 150-500 kind of sucks for 1100 usd.
I think Fuji has a problem with PDAF. I think it reverts to Contrast Detect AF a majority of the time. The funny thing is, a lot of Fuji fanboys have made fun of Panasonic's CDAF system (before they added PDAF recently) when Fuji isn't much better at all. They fooled me once, never again. All I ever asked of them was to tell the truth about their limitations. Fuji lied when they said the XH2s was as good as Sony and Canon AF. Thank goodness Nikon caught up with the Z9/Z8 so I didn't have to go back to Sony or Canon.
I thought about this many times about contrast detect. In video camera feels like its only using contrast detect
Actually the camera uses only 117 af points (besides the small box "area" in photo mode,wich is the best check at 11:20) and I think those 117 are not even close to enough to track something in a 6K resolution image sensor.And The camera uses CDAF most of the time. That's why it sucks.
Well, on the other hand, slap a vintage Nikon lens on a Fuji camera, and the colors and look are delicious.
The best autofocus on fuji is your hand !
9:31
lol! you killed me!!!! "touch focus" feature... I do that with farts!
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post v6.0 Stills autofocus is spot on, but the video autofocus is like a squirrel on caffeine, bouncing on trampoline.
I made this video hoping that something will change , I am a hybrid shooter, mostly videos, and Its unusable if you want to track something , or do a focus pull , Only way to film something is to set speed between 0 and -1 or 2 and sensitivity to +3 or 4. If not the af will lose its mind in every very easy scenario , even a static talking head.
@@edvard2942 I'm a hybrid shooter too, ver5.0 was near perfect for the birds in flight and I loved it and now 6.0 is almost unusable, I did try shooting an Egret yesterday and focus was jumping all around and mostly focussed on the background.
@@sr.rekula I kinda warned you with this video that the new "MAJOR FIRMWARE" is not ok. And yes, forgot to mention in video , same thing happends with animals eyes, if a branch for example is covering a part of the animals body/face. (It does this harder than with human faces, but the point is that its not trustworthy)
Subscribe! mans talking about the camera review matrix I love it!
Question, Edvard: If you go for a ride with two different cars, a Porsche 911 and a Trabant, the car is just a car, it's your brain in absolute control.
Do you believe that speed, acceleration, safety, steering, sound, feeling are the same just because the driver is the same? 😉
wtf
@@edvard2942 - So a swear word is your answer to a simple question?
Interesting. I definitely wouldn't call its autofocus amazing but this is wildly different than my experience so far (and I've put it through some difficult situations!). Funny enough it would be much better for my use case if my camera did this, ie consistently focus on the element closer to the lens.
There is a setting right that can make the camera ignore everything that comes in front of the focused subject. I use that setting during weddings.
No, if you have face/eye on it overrides any other settings
Oh ok, I see. Thank you
@@edvard2942 I seldom use face / eye detection though.. i do mostly manual shots but do use continious in some situations. Didnt experience any problems during my wedding jobs with my x-t5
@@kalifighter79 if your subject is half body in the shot you will not be affected as the eye/face will be in focus
Hahahah 😅 You may my day with this video 😁
I wish Fujifilm CO watch this!
It's possible that you received a bad unit. It happens. Automobiles, electronics, etc. manufacturing or assembly faults. No manufacturing is 100% perfect 100% of the time.
A lot if people have the same issue , it is a software bug
I have no issues with it. The biggest issue you may have is that you don't understand how to set it up.
I know how to set up any camera for every scenario, In every settings possible it behaves like this, no matter the speed/tracking sensitivity value , no matter the lens . I think those are bugs from the newest firmwares since 3.0.
@@edvard2942 I have the same camera and have no issues... You might have a damaged camera or your download was currupt
@@CharlezRichard This behaviour its not one that a defective camera will do , its more a “bug/error” behaviour
@@edvard2942 I think you misunderstood me ... Sometimes the firmware download gets currupt and you need to reload the firmware... The issue is that when this happens most people don't know how to revert to the previous firmware and therefore they keep getting the same problem
@@CharlezRichard I'm sorry to say but if the firmware gets "corrupt" as you say you have a potato, camera will not turn on. Also you can't revert to previous firmware on fujifilm cameras or any modern cameras. Do you even own a camera like this ? Or you just comment on my video that I dont know to set up my camera for fun ?
You are the second youtuber who says the new firmware sucks. It's a shame. I will not update the firmware...it's so sad because the potential of that camera should be very high. Shame on fuji.
I'm not a youtuber , I did this because I was mad.
It's a bug, moreover it concerns a very particular situation. On other cameras, from other brands, how does it work? Are there any videos that do the same thing, the same test?
On other last gen cameras camera sticks to the eye , and every focus transitions is better and smoother.
So all new fujifilm from here on are shit. Just as I thought. At least we know that those youtubers still making fuji content, aka advertisements, are utter shills now.
Finally a Fuji AF video that reflects reality
09:40 idk if i get mad or just laugh 🤣🤣
June 27 2024. New firmware update for Fujifilm... Lets hope things got better now!
bro you can feel it in your hand...BOOM! cat detection. had me dying! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌
I'am literally laughing alone at home watching this section
All the comments are proving yet again that there is no such thing as set it and forget it in Fuji land. The user who has problems is the problem. No, Fujifilm AF is still behind.
The magic hand held focusing was brilliant! LOL Great video. Subscribed!
Wow! A brutal, but honest and thorough, take down! And the best part is that you did all the troubleshooting that Fuji should be doing, in order to find the root of the problem for them. If I were running that company I would hire you and make you the lead quality engineer on the AF development team. If you continue to make videos like this, your channel will grow quickly. Thanks, man....I just subscribed.
Other issue that I will probably make a video about is the way camera communicates with the lens, It does that in steps, in a very low frequency. Thats why the steps are always seen and looking awful. Thanks
The lens truly impacts the AF speed. Just as you said, the camera determines it is focused, but in real world, only move the optical elements to adjust the focus, that mean if the lens focussing is slow (move the optical elements front/back slowly ) even the camera tracking the subject successfully (camera guess the correct focus length ) but the lens is moving slowly, and you moving again, finally you also can’t aim the object. Why I know that, because when I use my xt3 + xf 100-400 for bird photography, it clearly let me know the focusing between the camera and lens is not at the same time (not synchronized), I feel the lens is slower than the camera detection.
I agree that some lenses are faster than others but please explain the performance at 11:13 with 425 af points. It did a very good job. I purposely moved fast in all my test to show you how bad it is. The test with with fixed "area mode" worked like a charm , So the lens was fast enough. After that with the subject tracking mode or tracking box was very bad.
@@edvard2942425 points mean whole screen…in the green box, sorry😢 And tracking is a little bit tricky, my xt3 it only track the white box (when you move the green box you can see some white box) that mean if nine white box in the green box, the system only tracking that nine white box…if the eye’s between the white box, it can’t aim them😂I haven’t new model, I don’t know new model is changed or not.
A great AF system is able to incorporate the lens speed into its calculations
However, speed does not equate to wrong focus.
Fuji is just generally bad and even fuji shills know it
I was quite happy with the autofocus system on my X-S20. Since the 2.01 firmware update, many of my photos are out of focus. THAT WASN'T THE CASE BEFORE.
Like you, green autofocus boxe on the eye, but when I review the photo on my computer, it's not pin sharp on the eye (when it's not blurry).
Worse still, it now finds 'eyes' in the ears, in the middle of the hair on the head, or in the background even if there's no-one there. This could happen occasionally before, but it was rare.
One more time it wasn't the case with firmware 1.20.
I was expecting top-of-the-line autofocus with this so-called "major update". I'm very disappointed and even upset.
HOW CAN I GO BACK TO THE OLD FIRMWARE? WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD VERSION 1.20?
Thanks in advance for your help!
You can't go back, I dont know if this affects XS20 with latest firmware.
@@edvard2942 The X-H2s and the X-S20 have the same processor (X-Processor 5) and the details of the firmware update are exactly the same for the autofocus part.
Your camera's autofocus system worked better before the update, didn't it?
@@Filmin1235 I bought the camera with 5.01 or something like that, I tought that it will be very usable autofocus after all "youtube reviews". It was bad even on 5.0 firmware. But I bought it exactly when the 6.0 was announced in february. Hear me out , The tracking still sucked , video af still sucked. People with 5.0 firmware are telling me that the eye-hand issues is not present so this "bug" that could be fixed is in the 6.0 but yet still, tracking af in both stills and especially video is the horrendous. In video you can't have one single smooth transition (focus pull) , it works in steps and its slow. The best video AF tracking is actually the 40fps burst in photo with the "AREA" 425points at 10:45 , the af in that mode it is really like "SONY"
Absolute f*cking legend! I own the X-H2s and 6 lenses 3 red badge and my experience is exactly this! I just got an a7Rv and an a9 III for testing and I can tell you, I completely agree with you. Shot 10.000 images yesterday at a football match (120fps a few times) and around 10 of them was missed focus…food for thought
You also get what you pay for, your a7Rv is $3900, this Fuji is $2500
@@therealjimmy5411 ok… the A7IV would also run AF circles around the X-H2 lineup… but I’d rather have the X-H2’s EVF & LCD any day over the A7IV”s (and at $500 less).
My point is that you don’t always get what you pay for. A7IV is at price parity with the X-H2S.
Same, but inverse. I owned used and sold 3 sony cameras that I use in parallel with my xh2s and xs20. They all were disappointing. The color science, lack of cf express type b, no 6k, no open gate, no 4k120 was just too much of a hassle compared to my beloved xh2s that was a beast. Autofocus was good, but that's only what Sony cameras have, and I'm pulling my own focus most of the time anyway. So let's not try to act like autofocus is the greatest feature a camera can have, it's not. Learn to use the camera first, abuse its strength, cope with its weaknesses, if you can't get the results you want and you are sure that everything you could, then you sell them and you make a video. Not before, and not for autofocus.
@@tuzuharurakutu allow me to help you, my issue is not autofocus, my issue is seeing 1 piece of info such as eye is in focus and then going home and finding out that 4 out of 10 shots are actually focussed somewhere else. It’s slow lenses, bad data flow and lack of acknowledgement for weeks now is the real issue.
@@cohoonatube I don't give a shit what the image looks like in the EVF, I care about what the shot looks like on the on the card. People complain that the Sony EVF's are 1 billion pixels in resolution, but Sony's AF is near perfect, and the images are razor sharp. That's what really counts, not the the bloody EVF.
Now that's a review. Entertaining and shows the problems of the camera in detail :D
Now please one for the Sony A7 IV.
All i experience is that no matter what your focus area is small or zone, the face tracking/recognition always jumps outside the focus area box. Its sucks
Microsoft has the blue screen of death.
Fuji has the green square of death. 😂😂😂
Thank you so much for this video. I shoot with Fuji X-T200 with XC 15-45mm and Sigma 56mm 1.4....and this exact same issue exists in my camera too...for some time I thought it's because I'm using a cheaper Fuji camera or maybe because of the third party lens but looking at your tests and some other videos... I'm now convinced that this issue exists across all Fuji cameras. I've now decided to slowly shift towards Sony.
Nah, wholeheartedly disagree. Im really starting to believe these are user error with the settings not set correctly.
I am a videographer for a channel with 4.34 million subscribers and take photos for commercial websites & motorsport, and i ONLY use the Fujifilm XH2S. I also only use Viltrox lenses, which focus speed is incredible with. Alot of these videos i film are fast paced movements.
I came from a canon R6 and the Fujifilm hit rate is now around 95% as good as the canon.
@@Haggettco ok 😂
I took the effort, watched the video more than once and read all the comments below until today. To say it in advance, I'm a photo hobbyist with some semi professional tasks sometimes. The reason why I'm interested in your video is because I'm thinking about switching from Sony to Fuji because of the 'fun factor' as well as the 'famous Fuji colors'. Thus, your findings are important for my decision, so thank you for the effort you took with all your experiments. And that is what brings to my perspective, which I would like to add to all the discussions. What you did is an experiment. And to be recognized with the results of an experiment the experimentalist has to make the conditions, under which the experiment had been done, official. Why ? To enable other experimentalist to reproduce the findings in their own laboratory/environment. This is the (perhaps directly after the first rule, which is to be honest) the second important rule in experimental science. In order to be recognized by the community, you have to open up the details of your experimental setup. In cases where the author refuses to do so, there will be no serious journal willing to publish any article about what you were doing. So the question arising to me is, is it your intention to get seriously recognized by others with your findings or not ? If yes, you won't get around telling your specific camera settings as well as the exact lense types you used. End of comment at that point.
But I will also comment on the question, whether or not a lens is one of the decisive components for AF performance. As far as I understand AF technology, the general layout of such an AF system is a control loop, in which both, the camara processor with its software as well as the lens are taking part. The lens is not only the component, which reacts on what is coming as a steering signal from the processor. There is also a feedback from the lens, because the processor gets its informations through the lens. In such a system (and I constructed some of these feedback loops in my professional life) the most important parameters are the time constants of the different components. If these doesn't much in some certain range, the feedback loop isn't working properly. The usual symptoms in this case is either that the system starts to oscillate or that it reacts much to slow. That doesn't mean necessarily that this is the reason for the bad Af performance in your experiment. Frankly I even don't think so, because it can't explain the fact that the camera notoriously focuses on things outside of the 'green' eye-af-box. But what it means is that the lens with its own time constant (AF speed) is an important ingredient within the AF feedback loop and must not be disregarded.
Finally I very much hope that you are willing to share your experimental setup (all the parameters) with the community, in order to enable the reproduction of your results. In this case one can even think about making the results available to the Fuji R&D department to help improving their AF-systems.
You took a time to watch the video and also you're saying that the lenses are the problem or settings, Lens or lens speed is not decisive in a person staying still and the camera focusing on other things that it shows you will focus. I dont care if any "journal" recognize me or post my stuff, I did already 4 videos on this topic , latest one with the best fuji lens. And also compared it with a cheap chinese lens. Results were the same, People who are not seeing that the lens in not the issue, and the settings is not the issue, dont understand how a camera AF system works. And with your comment you showed that too.
@@edvard2942Ok, it was an attempt to bring the discussion back to a common sense. But it was my guess anyway that you will react in your usual way. As far as my above question is concerned, I've now learned that your intention is not to bring the community any further. As you prefer, you won't get any counter-talk from my side. Have a nice day !
@@stefangoertz9494lol good.
This is an eye opener test.
Give us the settings and lens details.
The lenses or settings are not the ones deciding on what to focus.
@@edvard2942 dont argue with your subscribers , please share settings
@@AlexeyEronko You can also ask nicely man ;)
@@edvard2942 the lenses absolutely do influence the focus calculations. Unfortunately.
The lens has nothing to do with it. Watch viltrox 75mm f1.2 review for sony e mount. They even shoot fast action and sports. At fuji it is unusuable 😂
You are the most honest guy talking about cameras!!!
I have an XH2s and I love it, but I see exactly this on wildlife photography/videography all the time. Focus box over the bird but something else in focus. I've even seen this even on Fuji's own videos. It also loses focus if a bird in flight flies in front of a tree or something else in the background. If the box knows what to focus on, why doesn't the camera focus on it? I feel like there's something fundamentally wrong with Fuji's AF. Luckily I quite enjoy using mf...
Thanks a million for exposing Fuji camera focus deficiencies. I was thinking about purchasing Fuji, but decided to wait and see if there is any significant improvement.
thanks alot for shareing this... i posted your video yesterday on a big fuji facebook group... it had alot feedback, but was deleted today.
there are so much fuji fanboys out there.
and yes, im also one. i love fuji since the XT1, XT2, XT3, XH1... bought a whole lenslineup during all the years... but the AF performance was always a big issue for my work at events, where i like to rely on eyeAF tracking.
i take fuji just on my private time, with my daughter... but would love to use the expensive lens lineup we have for my daily work as a video and photographer...
personally i work with my 15sony bodys... but for a new teammember in our company i thought to invest in the xh2s... she isnt very technical orientated... so to change the AF for every shoot or every lens is not practicable... so we go for a canon R6ii with adapted old EF lenses... we also own alot EF lenses... and are waiting another year for a new fuji where i would love to use also on events.
thanks to your video, ... i love your conclusion... fuji should fix it with a complete re-design... focus is the most important stuff. and yes we also worked before with canon und nikon FF without all these goodies... but the sony a9 changed my way to work, i can rely on EYE AF tracking and spend more energy in frameing the shoot, catch the right moment, be aware of the backlight and scenerey in the back... rather then check if its focusing right...
and for video with my a7s3... how cool is to have the cam in a gimbal... without a heavy ext display and followfocus system...
I am a fanboy of the colours/screen quality/evf/noise pattern, quality but I am very mad about the af performance.
What have we learned today?
Hands are faces.
TM reference
You made me laugh @3:00 but you are 100% right on that. I have watched bunch of youtubers that do that. I noticed that they test the AF tracking with a stepped down aperture and wide lenses. However, I still love fujifilm because of the colors.. I hope they will revamp their AF soon..
I subscribed you! You are different 🙏🙏🙏
Pictures of kids on a swing is also a test for an autofocus system that can be repeated easily in any playground, but also in any lab.
It is a very repetitive movement. It has a stable curve describing the speed of movement. The movement follows a regular curve. So something that can be detected and can be predicted.
And: it is something which many parents and grand parents want to take pictures of.
Give it a try. I did so. Getting a sharp picture with my Fuji x-t5 is just luck.
Frustrating.
Yes, I sold my xt4. Loved the color and system but the autofocus is a deal breaker.
Kept all my lenses as I wait. Using Nikon and Sony until then
Fuji has agressive marketing and all the reviewers ar well paid. I never seen anyone, who earns mony with photography, using Fuji cameras. And the FUJIFILM X100 series are total joke. Dumb people fall for this marketing and buy a camera that can't even do what phone could.
I only do photography, but still wish I would have seen this video before investing in Fuji again. For the most part it works fine for what I do, but this late in the game I would have liked much better autofocus. Even Panasonic has caught up quickly to the competition. As have all other brands. Fuji is the one slacking the most in AF
If you look closely on my whole talking head (very easy scenario) you will see that 40-50% of the time my face is out of focus , I was using using face-eye detection 0 sens 2 speed Multi.
😂 don't listen to this guy, definitely a fujifilm hater. It's all in the settings if you know how to use it correctly. 😂
You should post this video on an official Fujifilm forum if they have it or just send it to their support. There is a bigger chance they will fix the problem if they see it. I shoot on Canon R6 but I'm actually planing to replace it with Fujifilm x-s20 (don't laugh). I need something small for travel and Fujifilm is the only brand I've never owned. I was actually aware about the AF issues but it seems the problem is bigger than I thought.
I honestly think Fuji makes AF worse with their FW updates. They ruined the XPro1 on me like 10 years ago, with one of the last FW updates.
Best get a sony then, with photography I never have a problem but then again I use face detection rather than eye detection.
Seems to me the AI detection is working but the integration with the hardware fails quite badly.
😂 many times I thought he said I told my mother, I was like 🤔 where is your mother!!!
it was at least more or less possible to use (naturally it could not compare with the autofocus of canon, sony, nikon, etc.). But now with fw 6.00 they broke what was not the best, completely. I don't have enough anger. I have been using Fujifilm cameras for 7 years and I have never encountered such a shame. I bought the H2s in the hope that this camera would finally work as Fujifilm marketers said it would. But no, now, perhaps, this flagship has become a disgrace to the brand. This is very, very, frustrating.
I can also say that you are 100% correct X-H2S autofocus is nowhere as good as Canon or new Lumix S5II and S5IIX cameras. It's even worse than the old Lumix S5 using contract detect. I say this because I photograph kids running around, which is a combination of portrait, wildlife and sports, and I would be lucky if I get 50% of the shot in focus with X-H2S or X-H2. Out of the systems that I have, Canon still goes first, then Lumix then Fujiflim.
I agree. They "improve" the algorithm that detects faces but not the camera-lens communication and way of focusing.
Can you please do comparison of fuji and Panasonic S5II(x) newest autofocus???
Yes i can confirm it, firmware 6.0 broke my xh2s, it can't focus with 33 1.4, it can't focus with fringer adapter and sigma 18 - 35.... I'm very disappointed
I still use single point af for bird photo, birders will think I’m crazy. It’s what I’m used to but I know Fuji tracking isn’t great so I don’t even bother. For birders many use canon and they are top notch esp for small twitchy birds which is really the gold standard test for tracking.
I don't think single point is crazy for birding, it's the only thing that works for me too. I just took my X-H2 to Costa Rica and bird detect would indicate it was focused on the eye but when I reviewed the images it was rarely actually focused on the eye. So I eventually went back to using single point just like I do with my X-T3.
Really great video, agree with you on all of this and on Gerald Undone and Camera Conspiracies, maybe Tony Northrup too, the rest don't seem to go very in depth. Maybe Christopher Frost for lenses but he misses things and doesn't test for very long.
I agree, The ones that dont go very in depth just make the videos for "views" and youtube ad revenue. They just dont test the gear in a real world situations , they do few videos/pictures, tell you their experience after couple of hours with the camera. They dont even search for issues.
@@edvard2942 Totally! I subscribed to your channel and looking forward to more quality content :) - appreciate what you're doing.
And this is their flagship camera, absolute trash. I wouldn’t even touch a Fuji with a 10 foot pole. You saved me money man, I am going to try lumix or Nikon
Same experience here . Love Fuji. But Fuji AF is not good enough.
I will never buy a Fuji for AF. I’m about to buy an XH2 S but will be ONLY Manual focusing.
If you dont need AF I think its one of the best cameras to buy now.
TLDW: OP reveals at 14:18 that fujifilm uses 104 very spaced out focus points in continuous subject/box/area tracking autofocus tracking instead of 425 (available on single autofocus and small single set point continuous focus) which causes major subject tracking issues as the camera jumps drastically from one of the 104 points to the next despite displaying "tracking" confirmation.
The only very reliable and modern feeling AFC is in that "AREA" with 425 af points, I can shoot bursts of 30fps (video) and it will look almost like a sony autofocus footage asa you can see on 11:20 , THe only mode that uses 425 af points looks very good. The question is, This XH2S has the same 425 and uses only 117 mosty just like the XT3 from 2022.
Came here from Camera Conspiracies!
I would love a video about Panasonic S5II autofocus for photography. I'm leaning towards Panasonic but if the autofocus is on the same level of Fuji then the change would have no sense at all.
Thank you! Excellent video!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
It is impossible for the panasonic AF to be like the state of the fuji nou. From what I saw on other reviewers, the autofocus system on S5II (smoothness, accuracy, lack of stepping, lack of hunting) I can 100% be sure that is good. Maybe has some minor quircks but nothing like the fuji. Fujifilm now is not usable unless you shoot at f4 or higher.
With AF-C and a 16-55, on video and photos mods, i don't have your problem....
The lens is not deciding what is in focus, The camera does.
@@edvard2942 each lens has firmware and some lenses behave better than others with auto focus as a result.
Lens does have an effect on AF. STM vs LM. It’s not 100% dependent but it does play a factor. I too have a the 16-55mm LM lens and it seems to be no different than prior firmware for me. I’ll have to test it more on birds and animals jumping around.
I'm finding that when I have a subject's eye locked and there are other people in the background, the camera will sometimes shift focus to someone in the background. This is for still, I don't do video. AF on my X-H2S is significantly worse than before the update. AF problems on firmware 6.00 are being reported widely. People can have different experiences with the same hardware and firmware. Fujifilm have advised me to initialise the camera, which is pretty much their advice for any behaviour that they don't recognise, via their archaic email support.
Bro, i am sorry, i have problems with the firmware.... hope Fuji make something before weeding season...@@edvard2942
Fuji eye af is just garbage. Its 10 years behind competitors. I love their colors and have the xt5 but i am really disappointed with the unreliability of the AF.
11:07 , face eye on, multi , focus is on the microphone
8:37
I decided to change to ONE eye, long ago. Works way better.
I used the H2s extensively for Video calls.
on 6.0 still loses you without any reason no matter the settings
Buy the stills photography 40mp, 60mp, or 100mp Fujifilm camera over the 'video' centered 20mp xh2s version. Test that one. My xt5 is spot on every time with wr lenses. R3 is the only Canon I would move on to at this point. Color science on Sony cameras is useless for professional photography.
So the "video centered" X-H2s with stacked sensor cannot focus in video. Why should he test the 40mp version?
Some commenters 🤓 don't have this issue, so you're wrong even if you showed 10+ examples! You clearly can see how terrible Fuji's autofocus is, but nah, some users are too obsessed. Why doesn't Sony have the same issues? There should not be any excuse for such stupid autofocus. Not even talking about aperture jumps. On Sony even the cheapest $80 pancake zoom has a smooth aperture while zooming if you stop down to a constant f/5.6. Meanwhile Fuji's $400+ XF 16-80 can't do smooth aperture change bruh.
Either they use only single AF (wich works good in stills) , either they didnt update, Either they have f4 lenses and when they take a picture everything in is focus lol , Anyway this new firmwares destroyed the camera, Will make another video today part2
@@edvard2942 okay so 10 years later after the X-T1 release we should still use single AF point, nice. That ten year old camera also has phase detection, so what's even the point of newer cameras.