Classic Game Room - STREET FIGHTER ALPHA 3 for Dreamcast review

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  • @RonRose
    @RonRose 11 років тому +14

    The Alpha games are my fave Street Fighter titles of all time (even more than SF2: Hyper Fighting and SSF2 Turbo). SFA2 & 3 get regular play in both my Saturn and DC. I totally agree with u about the DC controller being awkward for fighting games. I use the Agetec stick for DC fighters and the Virtua Stick for Saturn brawlers. The Saturn has a nice pad (S Controller) which at least gives u some viable options for beat 'em ups, but when it comes to fighters the Dreamcast pad is as unwieldly to use as the Gamecube's.

  • @MrRinia
    @MrRinia 9 років тому +17

    Not just a fantastic fighting game but also one of the best games ever made(to me)!

  • @Blutroth
    @Blutroth 11 років тому +7

    oh and btw: The Dreamcast is not comparable to the PS1. Because the DC is one generation ahead. The Sega Saturn is the same generation as the Ps1

  • @Ironscimitar
    @Ironscimitar 14 років тому +4

    SFA3 was the pinnacle of my SF career.

  • @Medachod
    @Medachod 10 років тому +5

    Saturn really only suffers from the lack of transparency, but in return they took advantage of that and gave the port a more arcade-esque appearance since the original used faux transparency as well so it makes for the perfect arcade port especially given the extra animations it shares with it and the Saturn's fighting pad is far superior. Not only do they have an actual arcade stick peripheral available, but their own controller still has a six-button layout so it's unarguably more easier to play.
    Hell, their controller has two extra buttons so you can use taunts and fight with all the punches and kicks. Oh, the D-Pad; that is actually the most important part of the game. And again, the Saturn triumphs for using the classic SEGA D-Pad for the last time, and for a game like Street Fighter it is PERFECT for executing combos.
    Though my personal favorite is using the 3D pad due to it having buttons that are evenly convex, nicer triggers, comfortable grip and a flexible D-Pad. Their 3D pad is basically the Dreamcast's pad but with more buttons and comfort. Their joystick even feels nicer, for the games that did use it; mostly due to it being concave so your finger stays on it.
    Overall, despite the high price I would recommend buying the Saturn port. And I would hurry on that too, because prices might inflate again soon and within a few more years it could reach the range of Hyper Duel! So do not miss out on adding this to your collection, for it is probably the best Street Fighter in the whole franchise and it's arcade perfect.
    The only other system that did it just as well was the final port on the PSP, and you could hook that thing up to your TV with component so I guess it would look better too. However, the pad on that thing is weak and two-player is impossible unless someone else owns the game and a PSP themselves.

    • @mrdante361
      @mrdante361 9 років тому

      Well yeah the saturn controller is the best fight pad ever. They have a dream cast adapter for saturn to dreamcast you know. Also they had a PS2 version of the saturn pad and a PC version. The PC version works on the PS3 also.

    • @Medachod
      @Medachod 9 років тому

      mrdante361 1) Dreamcast Adapter is really expensive.
      2) Extremely rare, thus really expensive too.
      3) Probably not that good; RetroLink BUTCHERED the N64 D-Pad with its tightness and for fighting games it's impossible, I imagine the Saturn D-Pad suffered a similar fate.

    • @mrdante361
      @mrdante361 9 років тому

      What is retrolink? I have 4 saturn to dreamcast adapters and they were like 10 bucks back then.
      All the saturn usb pads I own are originals with Sega logo and are from SLS. They are perfect controllers I bought 20 of them a few years back in double packs off Ebay.
      I gave them to friends for street fighter IV and have back ups in case anything happens.

    • @Medachod
      @Medachod 9 років тому

      mrdante361 Well, they are pretty rare now.

  • @iPlaySEGA
    @iPlaySEGA 9 років тому +12

    The Dreamcast version was really good but i prefer the Saturn version.

    • @juancarlosnerv
      @juancarlosnerv 9 років тому +3

      there is no reason to choose the saturn version (not bad at all) if you can pick up this one, dreamcast was a perfect 1:1 arcade home machine, plus alpha 3 for dreamcast has lot more features.

    • @iPlaySEGA
      @iPlaySEGA 9 років тому +4

      JayClay Unfortunately the Dreamcast port was not arcade perfect (Saturn port had more animations) and there are a lot of players out there who prefer the Saturn D-Pad ;-) Check out Game Sacks comparison video.

    • @Tornado1994
      @Tornado1994 9 років тому +2

      iPLAY SEGA!! The DC version is excellent. It used only a small amount of Dreamcast's memory output. The Saturn was arcade perfect. But the port came at the end of its life in Japan with the 4MB cart.
      All PS1 2D Arcade ports are SHIT. And people are DUMB for playing them and preferring them over Dreamcast.
      Seriously, who the hell would prefer low end ports over co-op?

    • @KaiserChiefsPocketbombs
      @KaiserChiefsPocketbombs 9 років тому

      Tornado1994 Mexicans and all of Compton.

    • @Tornado1994
      @Tornado1994 8 років тому

      lightsouthaha The Dreamcast version has faster framespeeds,more colors,more balanced controls than the Saturn version. The Saturn version is 100X times superior to the crappy low quality PS1 version, it has better animation,faster speed,more colors,faster load times. Compared to the DC version, the Saturn version has slightly more animations(hence the required 4MB RAM Cart).

  • @EnforcerX71
    @EnforcerX71 9 років тому +21

    Still the best Street Fighter game IMO.

    • @UnrealTournament420
      @UnrealTournament420 6 років тому +1

      EnforcerX71 easy the best, and now can play on PS4 🙏

    • @FIXTREME
      @FIXTREME 5 років тому +1

      Obviously you've never played SF The Movie...

    • @Tampabruh
      @Tampabruh 5 років тому

      Yeah, the alpha series of games beats out any of the Street Fighter 2 games! Such an upgrade!

  • @Mitsuraga
    @Mitsuraga 7 років тому +10

    Probably still the best Street Fighter.

  • @Yoshinator
    @Yoshinator 14 років тому

    This game is also on the PSP. Has an added character. You can download it from the PSPstore thing for like 10 bucks or something.

  • @moviereviews4life
    @moviereviews4life 14 років тому +1

    Ken, Ryu, Fei Long and Chun-Li have always been my favorite characters

  • @matrixandraia
    @matrixandraia 14 років тому

    I used to own this for the DC and it was beautiful. Agree about the DC controller - half the time I'd try to walk back or forward I'd end up jumping in those directions.

  • @DTM-Books
    @DTM-Books 13 років тому

    I see there's an adapter that allows you to use your Saturn controllers on the Dreamcast. It's called Total Control 3, costs around $20. My hands cramp up at the thought of using a DC joypad for Capcom fighters, so this is a godsend. Good Lord, there are so many good fighting games on Saturn and DC.

  • @mrdante361
    @mrdante361 11 років тому +13

    The dreamcast version was so much better than the playstation version.

    • @retroboy-fh1ji
      @retroboy-fh1ji 8 років тому +2

      yes looks better than psx version but not compared to the sega saturn port which this looks amazing with the 4Mb ram cart

    • @caligoclarus
      @caligoclarus 7 років тому +3

      I have Max on the PSP, it's probably the best version.

    • @jediknightgeo
      @jediknightgeo 5 років тому +2

      @@caligoclarus Max is FANTASTIC. Content wise it's definitely the best version.

    • @caligoclarus
      @caligoclarus 5 років тому +1

      @@jediknightgeo I have it on PS Store now and can play it on TV with my PS TV console. It's pretty nice. Player 2 can use the PSP as a controller.

    • @ps-lover8380
      @ps-lover8380 5 років тому +2

      I had it on my PS2 it's like Arcade perfect

  • @Blutroth
    @Blutroth 11 років тому +1

    The Dreamcast is the same generation as the PS2. The Sega Saturn was way ahead of its time. It was not popular in europe and usa, but for me it has a lot of games that are outstanding. Checkout the videos here on youtube about the Sega Saturn. InecomCompany had made a whole week about Saturn games, check his videos too!

  • @collinsrv
    @collinsrv 14 років тому

    Impressive! every time i log in to youtube this guy has a new game review!!! How in the world does he do that????!!!

  • @bildo1977
    @bildo1977 14 років тому

    @Destroyificator I stand corrected. That being said, at least Capcom didn't re-release/upgrade any of the Alpha series in the arcade. Throughout most of the 1990's, Capcom kept rehashing the same six or seven games. So my inaccuracy is at least understandable. :)

  • @frankynakamoto2308
    @frankynakamoto2308 9 років тому +3

    What a cool game for the Dreamcast, Calvin should of continue delivering games for Dreamcast.

    • @frankynakamoto2308
      @frankynakamoto2308 9 років тому

      Capcom should of continue making games for the Dreamcast, it was a great system, but Sega gaved up the battle very soon, also it was expensive to make.

  • @reesercliff
    @reesercliff 12 років тому +1

    you can get an adaptor that allows you to use the sega saturn controller on the dreamcast, thats the best way to play fighters on the dreamcast :)

  • @Corzar29
    @Corzar29 12 років тому +1

    This is still one of my favorite fighting games (though I have the PS1 version). Mostly due to World Tour. They should put that in Super Ultra Street Fighter 4: Omega Edition

  • @dragoneater6771
    @dragoneater6771 8 років тому +4

    Since they may never release the Dreamcast again, it would be kosher to make the Dreamcast Classic Mini.

    • @wdcain1
      @wdcain1 8 років тому

      There were a lot of great DC games that sadly were never re-release (Power Stone 1-2, Plasma Sword, Project Justice, Cannon Spike, and Giga-Wing 1-2). Strange but most of them were Capcom games.

    • @JoeyJ0J0
      @JoeyJ0J0 7 років тому

      wdcain1 power stone 1 and 2 got a psp re release

    • @wdcain1
      @wdcain1 7 років тому +1

      That's fine but Power Stone 2 is one of those multi-players that's best when played with buddies in the same room instead of strangers online. You could play it online but that would rob it of the Arcade-like experience it offers.

  • @zedo0
    @zedo0 14 років тому

    This is the ultimate version of SFA3. I owned it yrs ago. I plan to get a Dreamcast system and games again. The only issue I had with this version was with the controller. I always wished I could use my Sega Saturn six button controller with it.

  • @LukeKraus360
    @LukeKraus360 14 років тому

    Its really amazing to see all the potential the Sega DreamCast had.

  • @sejembalm
    @sejembalm 11 років тому

    Street Fighter Alpha 3 was a terrific fighting game of cartoon-like sprites duking it out.
    This game ported well to the PSP handheld for fun mobile punch-outs.

  • @Blutroth
    @Blutroth 11 років тому +1

    You should buy a Dreamcast no matter what. I was in past also focused on Ps consoles, but because i don't know the big game library of the dreamcast and previous sega consoles. The Dreamcast is the best Console is its generation for me. Even better than the Gamcube

  • @WillSerenity
    @WillSerenity 14 років тому

    World Tour mode is awesome. This game made me fall in love with fighting games again. =D

  • @TobeyStarburst
    @TobeyStarburst 9 років тому +11

    Dreamcast ruled.

    • @capcom23
      @capcom23 8 років тому

      +Tobey Starburst nuff said

  • @RJTamm93
    @RJTamm93 14 років тому

    I want to know what Mark thinks. Saturn vs Dreamcast video please! I love them both but I'm more of a Saturn fan, both have great arcade games but the Saturns library just takes the cake for me. Not to mention the 2 best controllers on the planet, the Model 2 and 3D pads.

  • @astrobollo
    @astrobollo 13 років тому

    @BlayzedBlue I know this version of SFA3 doesn't have online versus mode but there is another version (Japan only) of this game with the legend "For Matching Service" that is playable online (or was). Same for the other Capcom fighting games with the "For Matching Service" label like Vampire Chronicle and SSFIIX. Of course, this was only in Japan.

  • @ujnhunter
    @ujnhunter 13 років тому

    SFA3 is my most favorite SF game! Love the World Tour mode and the Dreamcast version was the BEST! Especially with the Ascii Fighter Pad FT controllers! Sweet sweet SF goodness!

  • @HardyHeft
    @HardyHeft 14 років тому

    one of my favorite games on the DC.

  • @Shin-Hiryu
    @Shin-Hiryu 14 років тому

    This is my favorite Street Fighter game, damn the full roster of the final version is awesome, i miss R. Mika and some of the other characters in SF4.

  • @djklink20009
    @djklink20009 14 років тому

    everyone has got their own fav version of street fighter mine is this one on Sega Dreamcast. i liked the whole double character on screen thing it made for a good co-op system and multi player

  • @DraculaXHunter101
    @DraculaXHunter101 14 років тому

    A Game I still remeber fondly.Alpha 3 is awesome.

  • @young7yang
    @young7yang 14 років тому

    @Terramax
    ok i see your point.. but still.. this is the definet version of street fighter zero 3
    i think its worth it...
    in any case suppose i was willing to donate to you guys to review how long would it take to get it back???

  • @Rukunetsu
    @Rukunetsu 14 років тому

    @Theriot6592 You got it. Street fighter EX/EXplusAlpha.

  • @Ryoga2K
    @Ryoga2K 14 років тому

    To be honest Capcom always has made a great coding job, when Street Fighter came out, there was a huge difference between Arcade games and Home console games, like day and night, and they did such an awesome job porting it to a lot of 16 bit consoles.. you didn't miss that much while playing it at home.. obviously the controller and that stuff, but unlike other game ports of the era, that one actually felt like if you where playing the same game at home and in the arcades.

  • @Diggy22
    @Diggy22 11 років тому

    Cody joining the SF roster in this game drew me in. The fighting kept me in.

  • @EBCX
    @EBCX 13 років тому

    i remember playing this game on my playstation, it was my first street fighter, ooo memories

  • @blake_j_brown
    @blake_j_brown 13 років тому

    @Koops2245 I think its, (first to last in storyline) Street Fighter, Street Fighter Alpha Series, Street Fighter 2 Series, Street Fighter 4 Series, and Street Fighter 3: Third Strike

  • @DaGleese
    @DaGleese 12 років тому

    games like this, marvel vs capcom 2, power stone 1+2, tech romancer, giga wing 1+2, street fighter III: 3rd strike, gunbird 2, and a ton of others make it worthwhile investing in a pc with a little more 'whazzamm' for your mame cabinet, mame is great, but the dreamcast basically took what made arcade games awesome, and enhanced their visuals and audio beyond epic, and added tons of new modes and extra content

  • @FIXTREME
    @FIXTREME 5 років тому

    This and Smash Pack were the only games I ever managed to get working on my dreamcasts (I bought 3 of them during the 2000's)

  • @LeShark75
    @LeShark75 14 років тому

    This and MVC II are stunning games on the DC.

  • @djklink20009
    @djklink20009 14 років тому

    cool i was just playing this exact game on Dreamcast yesterday ! :)

  • @Snotnarok
    @Snotnarok 14 років тому

    This is also on the PSP and it rocks. I think it has seven more options oddly.

  • @Burkskurk
    @Burkskurk 14 років тому

    My favorite street fighter, had it for ps1 though, played it for hours upon hours when i was about 11 or 12, frickin awesome!

  • @djklink20009
    @djklink20009 14 років тому

    @Feilanna its not a remake actually alpha is set in a time before the first street fighter

  • @ColleqeKidJova
    @ColleqeKidJova 13 років тому

    @outsideredge im sure u can buy that some where
    have u looked on ebay ? or try gamestop .. they have alot of great ps2 games just getting dusty on the shelf ...

  • @zedo0
    @zedo0 14 років тому

    @Progearspec Cheers for the info. I will try that when I buy another DC and SFA3

  • @derBene
    @derBene 13 років тому

    It feels good to hear another opinion of the controller because it's that terrible. I rarely get frustrated with a PS3-controller because you actually do the moves you want. But with the Dreamcast I feel lucky when I get the moves out one time out of five. It's also an art to walk without jumping or switch Gen's fighting styles by pressing all three punchs or kicks. Maybe I get this on the PS1, sigh.

  • @nintyfan1991
    @nintyfan1991 14 років тому

    @HornetFellow Agreed, I'd pay to see Baraka vs Wolverine or Ghostrider vs Scorpion.

  • @Launchpad05
    @Launchpad05 14 років тому

    Now there's A game that NEEDS to be on XBox Live!

  • @Eyetrauma
    @Eyetrauma 11 років тому

    this and third strike are my favorite SF games of all. the third time's the charm...for the second time.

  • @baby13sc
    @baby13sc 12 років тому

    chun li was my favorite too, since i was a lil kid when II came out on genesis

  • @IronFury
    @IronFury 14 років тому

    It's a reupload because he fixed his mistake. He said Cody was from an SNK game yesterday, and corrected it.

  • @jamstrat
    @jamstrat 14 років тому

    I sure am glad I have a DC Agetec stick, modded by myself aswell.

  • @1shoryuken
    @1shoryuken 14 років тому

    @aerialdude the new SF games are fantastic, but l too miss the 'World Tour' mode, it just adds that extra challenge to the player, like for one match your not allowed to perform special moves, throws can only do damage, and your opponent has X2 power etc.

  • @radiak55
    @radiak55 11 років тому

    I love that they brought the Zero/Alpha series to the PSN, butt I have a hard time playing it because I have to use the d-pad. Does anyone know how to use the stick buttons or has the same problems?

  • @kyletm57
    @kyletm57 14 років тому

    this is such a good game, i just got the max version for psp and it kicks ass

  • @popo237
    @popo237 14 років тому

    That is awesome how, he had another version of this video, but he said Cody was from a SNK game, but he corrected it in this one, by saying he is a Final Fight character.

  • @BjarkiFridriks
    @BjarkiFridriks 14 років тому

    I'm amazed that you haven't run out of Street Fighter games yet o.O

  • @CoryRadical
    @CoryRadical 14 років тому

    I miss this game so much...

  • @lctb51
    @lctb51 14 років тому

    It would be cool if someone ported Gran Turismo 3 to the dreamcast. I bet it would work, maybe with an exception of slight lagging. The polygons are much bigger in GT3 compared to GT4!

  • @litoariel
    @litoariel 13 років тому

    im going to get this game!!! my question is what would u guys recommend? a ps1 copy and play it on my ps3 comfortly,wireless!, and of course nice controller for fighting games...or i got a dreamcast and can get it for it instead! i pros i see for dreamcast is better graphics compared to ps1 and better port i believe........what u guys think?

  • @socillizt4life
    @socillizt4life 11 років тому

    The SATURN version of this,which was only a Jap' release so was called 'ZERO 3 was my favourite 2d fighter on the SATURN which is saying something because all of CAPCOMS SATURN fighters were awesome.

  • @solidbeaver
    @solidbeaver 14 років тому

    No...he posted this yesterday...I'm not talking about Xmen vs SF. I saw the review yesterday, why did he reupload it?

  • @Socomstitch
    @Socomstitch 13 років тому

    I had this on the PSP... Never knew it was also on this system o.o.. cool

  • @KingJagan
    @KingJagan 12 років тому

    at 4:00 how did you pull up that menu that would help alot?

  • @xpluralx
    @xpluralx 14 років тому

    This was the first street fighter that I ever owned and ever since ive been dissapointed from the lack of more "world tour" modes.

  • @kikko4E
    @kikko4E 14 років тому

    Good Mark, but you should have reviewed the Street fighter Alpha Collection for PS2 !!! Way better value for money. Probably of my fave Sf series, yeah 3rd Strike rocks too. Oh random unrelated request: please review Shadow of Rome !

  • @Tempora158
    @Tempora158 14 років тому

    @bildo1977 "...at least Capcom didn't re-release/upgrade any of the Alpha series in the arcade."
    That's also wrong. In the arcade alone, there was "Street Fighter Zero 2 Dash" and "Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper".

  • @98kof98um2
    @98kof98um2 14 років тому

    I am wondering if CGR will ever review SF EX series.

  • @shonofwar
    @shonofwar 11 років тому

    Ill get this once I save up for the arcade stick

  • @Tempora158
    @Tempora158 14 років тому

    @orionpax55 This is the third version of the "Street Fighter Alpha" series. The original "Street Fighter" series is on "Street Fighter IV" (with its Super version now and the Super Arcade Edition upgrade later)

  • @kyletm57
    @kyletm57 14 років тому

    @MontHenryKnitly ur thinking of street fighter EX. all the alphas are in 2d, all the EX games are 3d

  • @TheStrangeN
    @TheStrangeN 13 років тому

    Second game I have ever played, One of the best Street Fighters ever made.

  • @raze667
    @raze667 14 років тому

    I actually think those are manacles, the chains for the hands. I think shackles are for your feet.

  • @Guernicaman
    @Guernicaman 14 років тому

    Because of the great roster, I always felt Capcom should port this game to XBLA/PSN & add online versus.

  • @JohnSTF72
    @JohnSTF72 11 років тому

    Ahhh,my first broken joypad.Memories,memories....

  • @socillizt4life
    @socillizt4life 13 років тому

    GR8 GAME!The SEGA Saturn version was better though,it was called ZERO 3 'cause it was only released in Japan.At the time it was the most arcade perfect game I'd ever played!The Dreamcast version was awesome to with the online mode!

  • @TheLowEndTheory
    @TheLowEndTheory 14 років тому

    @CabooseAzul it was supposed to be out last year but they released mvc 2 instead

  • @wdcain1
    @wdcain1 8 років тому

    Do you only get one chance at Bison in Arcade Mode? In the arcade version of SFA3, if you lost to Bison you automatically got Bison's ending and then a game over.

    • @Bloodreign1
      @Bloodreign1 7 років тому +1

      The only version to retain the arcade's 1 credit rule against Bison, was the PS2 version due to it being an emulation of the arcade game. All other ports allow infinite continues against Bison.

  • @branflakes11
    @branflakes11 14 років тому

    This game was the reason why I bought a PSP. Street Fighter ALPHA OWNS :D

  • @KiloGraham
    @KiloGraham 13 років тому

    Cyclops"Hey Chun-li I swah you at the tunement...I mean tournament, tournament- I saw you there and... I just noticed your incredible hands. Don't take this the wrong way but let's shake hands, sometime, anytime. Nothing complicated. We don't have to make this a thing but I really want to shake you hand! What do you say?"

  • @Tom60062
    @Tom60062 14 років тому

    Well thats all very nice, but will it blend?

  • @roningarrison
    @roningarrison 14 років тому

    I remember Shin Akuma being a beast in this game.

  • @Nilly-tube
    @Nilly-tube 14 років тому

    My favorite Street Fighter Game!

  • @PepeMetallero
    @PepeMetallero 13 років тому +1

    why capcom didnt made a remake of the first street fighter?

  • @EBCX
    @EBCX 13 років тому

    @SkyMaro no that scot pilgrim K.O is from this game, =)

  • @lordzeerus
    @lordzeerus 13 років тому

    didn't talk about the best part of the game, dramatic battle were p1 p2 vs. p3 p4 or p1 p2 vs. p3 was sooooo awesome

  • @michaelhulcy6680
    @michaelhulcy6680 7 років тому

    Lmao that ending tho!!!

  • @oil_moon
    @oil_moon 14 років тому

    I always wanted to get a Dreamcast just for this game because it's so much better than the PS1 port!

  • @KrazziJ24
    @KrazziJ24 14 років тому

    the reason why its called street fighter zero/alpha is because it is a prequel storywise of the events in sf2 hence the word alpha (beginning)
    p.s. however chronologically its in between 1 and 2 so 1.5 wouldve sounded smarter but zero/alpha sounds cooler :)

  • @Phalanx3891
    @Phalanx3891 12 років тому +1

    The soundtrack was the weakest part of this game.
    By the way, having played both the DC and the PS1 versions of SFA3 I have to say that they look fairly similar on both systems. If you're looking for a truly beautiful Street Fighter game on the DC that makes great use of the system's capabilities, it's Street Fighter 3: Third Strike all the way.

  • @TheCommentGuy8
    @TheCommentGuy8 14 років тому

    which one is better, the PS version or the DC version?

  • @Neutral1
    @Neutral1 13 років тому

    @jp299 I would but I found your response far more amusing.

  • @theduder1975
    @theduder1975 12 років тому

    @FOOLZSTUDIOS It is on psn as a psone classic

  • @Ssjravi
    @Ssjravi 14 років тому

    @solidbeaver I think you are talking about the Xmen Vs Street fighter video

  • @beefcurtainz69
    @beefcurtainz69 8 років тому

    Is this worth owning if you have third strike, fatal fury, MvsC, for Dreamcast

    • @Moni_G2E
      @Moni_G2E 8 років тому

      Of course and the dreamcast version is one of the best ports

  • @fuckjustinbiber
    @fuckjustinbiber 14 років тому

    another great review from a one game a day sort of reviewer

  • @dinored11
    @dinored11 13 років тому

    men dude think of this old game take me back of the days from the 90 when i was a kid oh men and im 17 right now wow