Cloud & Aerith Church Scene Breakdown - High/Low Affinity | Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
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- Cloud & Aerith Church Scene Breakdown - High/Low Affinity | Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
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The devs want the player to experience the HA church scene with Cloud and Aerith for many reasons.
How they orchestrate the details of the game (trophy icons, credits, scenes, collectibles, sounds, storytelling, etc..) suggests the desired outcome.
The suggested outcome is the HA church scene in chapter 14, given how the SE team crafted this scene compared to the LA church scene, which is poorly presented based on the visual cinematography.
I focus specifically on the moment, whereas the difference between LA/HA is apparent.
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It's so obvious that they made HA first, and then quickly slapped LA later
The LA is so sloppy, legit doesn't make any sense.
talk about softening the blow lmao
Maybe because there were many whinings about Cloud x Tifa so they had to slap it in the game to please those kids... The same thing for Part 3 :(
@haihuynh8337 Definitely slapped it in there possibly along with other last minute things to keep the shipping neutral.
@@OGBabygurl Yeah. But the thing is that they've built up all the heat then at the end (part 3) they will make everything explode...
They mention it would be pleasant. And we know that the majority of kids out there want Cloud x Tifa so bad...
I swear. They made the Aerith route as the intended one. Then, the devs sort of accomodate dialogues and scenes to the others. e.g. this case, loveless play, gondola scene, etc. Not only that, unlike other characters, the game constantly reminds you of Aerith in dialogues that you have with the party. They can't make it more plain to see for obvious reasons.
It's so clear to us right? Unfortunately many choose to be ignorant to what's being shown to them.
@@mlwjrpg I'm immersed in the game since 2022, but I remember growing up believing the other character was the FMC for how people talked in the comment sections in various platforms. Videos of AC (that I watched just for curiosity of the game) filled with "Aerith and Zack together in the afterlife", "Aerith is dead, but it's ok, Cloud is now free of guilt for the death of his friends.". or "Tifa and Cloud were always the one". At that moment I thought "Well, so that's how it is. Poor Aerith". It was when I was in my 20's that I saw an AMV of Remake and then a Cloti video recopilation (thought it was so cool, but some comments made me doubt, specially the hate towards Aerith like "in that world she is ugly", etc). So, I gave it a try. First encounter was Jessi and it didn't click for me (at that moment me silly believed this was sort of a dating game and it all depended of the girl I choose). Then, a brief encounter with Aerith. Such a beautiful girl with green eyes and a cute interaction, but it was just a few minutes and I thought of her as a future friend, nothing has to happened. (because of the reasons above). Finally, Tifa's chapter. Everything was great, I liked her personality and how Cloud wanted to protect her. There were cute moments also. I thought to myself "That's it. I settled here." Ohh boy, how mistaken I was. Aerith part came and It was just magic. The world was bright, life was more than fight, the moments were on another level. If you're familiar with anime and j-drama, you totally get the intention of the devs. It was over for me. I was salty at me for how stupid I was to not realized something so clear. Then I research a little bit more and saw more clear signs. After finishing the game. I watch compilations (again Tifa and Aerith) and it was more painfully clear. Numerous streamers were also watched (like a lot, I gotta admit I'm a little proud and being scammed like that made me mad). Maybe I'm overextending this comment but my point is: "Whatever happened, They are gonna together". Maybe Aerith manage to live in a safe world with his soulmate or die at the end of the trilogy and the world became gray without her ray of light to Cloud. In any case, there shouldn't be a doubt that this was THEIR history. I can't help but to be sad for Cloud. Why can't a man be happy with the love of his life? Why people want to take his happiness? Why they want to ripped his dreams and be miserable just for the sake of their desires? It is that difficult to understand that? It is that difficult to understand the pain of guilt over failing to save the person or people you cherish with all your heart? (your parents, brothers, son, daughter, lover, etc)They want him to be in pain, in depression, constantly reliving the impotence of doing nothing. I don't understand the indifference towards his feelings. How many of us would do anything to have the slightly chance of changing just a second? And now he has the chance. I believe. He is going to find her. Thank you for letting me vent my feelings.
@@renzoalessandro6005 I've seen comments from various people whose first experience with FF7 was the Remake. They say they were encouraged because they learned that this is where the iconic characters Cloud and Tifa come from. However, as they started delving deeper into the game, they discovered the character of Aerith. From then on, she became their favorite character.
@@Nat_the_White_Mage It seems like there's two kinds of "new" fans coming to the Remake trilogy. 90% of the ones who are genuinely playing blind seem to fall in love with Aerith. And I mean. Of course. She's beautiful and so funny and her dynamic with Cloud and how she helps thaw him out is amazing! Then there's the new players that have been poisoned by the loud Western Cloti fans and come in knowing at least a little of the series, believing Cloti is canon. And then they "confirm" that bias by pursuing her. It's kind of funny seeing like compilation vids of old and new Cloti fans hit the last few hours of Rebirth. The newer fans are like "wait what I thought Cloti was canon what's all this." the old fans are just. Livid. Imagine being so loyal to your ship that you refuse to acknowledge the narrative and let it ruin your experience. Can't be me.
Like maybe part 3 will confirm Cloti and I'll be forced to eat my words. But I doubt it. Regardless I can accept whatever the game ultimately sells me. What I can't accept is fans of the other ship loudly (and often quite rudely) insisting we're wrong in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Either the game itself tells me I've been interpreting things wrong or I won't believe it, you know? And I trust the game enough to believe in AT LEAST a neutral (perhaps player-dependent) ending if not a full Clerith ending.
@@AlyssaJ14 For me, Clotis can be divided into two groups: the normal ones and the abnormal ones (toxic, stupid or both). I'll focus on the normal ones. It seems that many of them started their ship not from the moment they first met/saw Tifa in OG, but later in the game (disc 2). Back then, most players were resigned to the fact that there was only one person left alive that they would see Cloud with. And here was the moment when it clicked or not. Well, many future Clotis clicked, but not for me, even though I always liked the character of Tifa. It took me a while to realize that I just never saw any chemistry between the two of them. My suspicions were confirmed when I watched AC for the first time.
As for the new Clotis who started their adventure with FF7 from Remake, I must sadly say that indeed many of them seem to be manipulated, mainly by unhealthy Tifa lovers, or simply overwhelmed by Tifa's ubiquity in pop culture. Of course, there are also many Cloti shippers who became one naturally and on their own, because it suits them better. And that's completely OK, because if the game gives you this opportunity, you have every right to use it.
As for the part 3. It's entirely possible that it will focus more on Cloud's relationship with Tifa. However, this will be the devs' decision, not because some part of any fandom says so.
The seed of the “Zack Guy” narrative was planted when Aerith mentioned Zack’s name in Evergreen Park. Cloud felt jealous, imagining Aerith’s past date with someone else at the same location. This jealousy grew in Gongaga when Zack's presence resurfaced. Cloud's inquiry about Aerith's feelings for Zack wasn't supportive; it was driven by jealousy. Her ambiguous response troubled him, unsure of her feelings. This unease continued when Aerith patted the spot next to her on the tower in Nibelheim, a gesture that made Cloud uncomfortable because of his continued insecurities about Zack.
Cloud’s recollections of Zack, particularly at the inn, are tainted by his own insecurities about their past relationship as it's focused on Aerith, prompting him to reconstruct memories of Zack dying to clear the way for a potential romance with Aerith. These Jenova ability mental gymnastics also helps Cloud bury his genuine memories of Zack that contradict his self-crafted hero who returned to Nibelheim Soldier image. It's all to serve and protect his ego. As fucked up as it is, it’s important to note that Cloud’s inherited Jenova ability unconsciously responds to his wishes and feelings. For Jenova, that ability was something akin to a predatory camouflage used for self preservation. For Cloud and arguably Sephiroth, it's just being used to protect their egos as a magical cope button when faced with unfavorable circumstances.
During the Golden Saucer date with Aerith, Cloud again feels uneasy and confused when she pats the spot next to her. Despite Aerith expressing a desire to be with Cloud now, he still feels some confusion because he's unsure if her and Tifa had the talk about Zack being dead. He at least has some clarification for her feelings for him though and can move forward. The narrative thread is tied up in Chapter 14, where Marlene’s revelation and Aerith’s confession resolve the “Zack Guy” subplot. Since he has clarification about how she feels from their GS date, he can look at her and look forward to a next time.
If the player’s choices lead to a date with Tifa or a low-affection scenario, Cloud struggles to face Aerith, indicative of his ongoing uncertainty about her feelings since there was no clarification about how she feels on the Gondola. He's still willing to have a next time, but he's more reserved since he doesn't know where they stand. Nevertheless, Aerith’s confession occurs regardless and it plays out the same.
I personally think the "dream" date is what's being referenced in hollow:
Was it all a dream, will I ever know?
Foolish and blind to everything
Had I realized, had I thought it through?
Would you be here in my embrace?
This time I will never let you go
With your every smile hiding something more (Even the photographer saw that she was on the verge of tears.)
Dark mysteries lurking beneath
But I was consumed with this emptiness
This selfishness, this void to fill
Show me your smile
This time for sure
I'll see the truth hidden inside your tears
But I, I know
That you're long gone
But I, I will
Go on howling and hollow
To never know
Cloud’s kiss with Tifa is a reaction to his jealousy and uncertainty about Aerith's feelings, he seizes the moment to address his unresolved emotions. I think Cloud is pretty good at reading body language and is more socially aware than people give him credit for, he probably is aware that Tifa tried to kiss him in Gongaga, and how she feels about him. This act is self-indulgent, aligning with his character’s ego-protecting trajectory at this stage.
Thank goodness, I've finally found someone who really gets Cloud's story and his emotional depth. I was starting to think this fandom was only full of superficial fans
This is why I love this one in particular it has depth and a lot of nuance with what feels like genuine stakes. But lol some people twist the narrative to where theyre friendzoning each other or theyre not romantically interested when people dont know how being emotionally avoidant with your feelings work and Cloud is a walking example of that.
I know! Ppl don't give Cloud enough credit. He's fragile but emotionally intelligent. His VA did AMAZING with how few lines and such nuance. He's observant like most introverts. He's goofy too like patting chocobo chicks, interpreting chocobo warks, playing announcer with Aerith, playing along with Yuffie, shimmying dance on the boat, kupo-ing, the "loner line" w/Vincent, & always taking kids seriously in AC, etc.
I like your observations on the date. Also, I think Aerith pretended to not know Tifa told her Zack's dead because she wanted Cloud to know that she truly chose him over Zack, not cuz he's dead. Aerith didn't want to spoil their date either. And like most clever girls, maybe wanted to see his reaction too...gather more clues and body language about Cloud's feelings for her. Cloud wanted to tell her his feelings but wanted to wait till she knew about Zack. He showed he truly loves her by not telling her himself knowing how messed up it is hearing her ex is dead from her new bf. I think it said a lot about Cloud's character and also Tifa's ability to reground him to his real self that Aerith's been looking for.
He was nervous & didn't want to mess anything up cuz he loves Aerith. He didn't kiss her cuz he knew it wouldn't be right for her, so holding her hand was as much as he could do in the "situation" till Zack got resolved. And I'd like to think Aerith knew his loving actions looking out for her like this, said more than his words.🥰
This was my interpretation too. A lot of people get upset at the thought of Cloud doing something that looks selfish in a Tifa route and that’s why they try to frame Cloud bringing up Aerith and Zack as a platonic concern, but in my opinion there were better and more platonic lines the devs could’ve used if that was the case. Cloud could’ve said something more platonic like “Aerith would be sad if she found out about Zack” or “We need to support Aerith when she finds out”, but instead he’s specifically wondering their romantic connection with the line “Aerith must still have feelings for Zack”. And that this moment exists AT ALL is very telling to me, because had this moment not exist in the first place, Tifa’s date would be completely and irrefutably romantic. This dialogue did not need to exist, but because it does, there’s now an additional complicated layer that makes Cloud’s actions for the rest of the date up to interpretation.
@@gatorssbm They are attached to specific pairings, whether it’s Zack and Aerith or Cloud and Tifa. Preferences shape their interpretation of the story. Cognitive dissonance occurs when certain scenes challenge their existing beliefs. You can see them selectively focus on elements that align with their preferred pairings, ignoring nuances that don’t fit as you watch their playthroughs. Scenes involving Cloud and Aerith always evoke clear discomfort. To retain consistency, they always reinterpret scenes or downplay certain moments. It reflects their desire to protect their established narrative perception. Kind of similar to Cloud, I guess, haha.
Aerith’s line, ‘It’s not about me, though,’ defines her character. She prioritizes her love for Cloud, her friends, and her heavy burden of being the last Cetra over personal desires and feelings. It explains her struggle expressing her feelings and ties back to her Cosmo Canyon speech, where she acknowledges that she’ll never lead a normal life because something always pulls her back down to earth. It also connects to her dream scene in Remake, where she shifts between personal desire and burden. At one point, she downplays her own fate by saying, ‘Everyone dies eventually, so let’s just make the most of the time we have.’ But she knows what that will do to Cloud, so she can’t be selfish. Instead, she ‘puts her foot in her mouth’ by suggesting he not fall in love with her.
The zoom-in and focus on her feet, the overlapping heart-shaped petals, and Aerith crossing them during the hug-it’s a powerful, non-verbal unironic words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking moment that transcends the boundary of mere ‘liking’ and friendship. For some reason, no one pays attention to those petals though. It’s an intimate scene that provides clarity for both of them about their connection. It means a lot to Aerith, for obvious reasons. Cloud, well, I think he'll definitely reflect on these scenes in part three and have many regrets for not seeing the truth hidden inside her tears.
Just look at how disappointed and upset Aerith looks when Cloud says “Why not?”
I honestly can’t….why would you choose to hurt Aerith like that? Nah lol that ain’t me. I’m gonna embrace Aerith 100%.
Hey man theres always Zack.. didnt have an issue myself.
@@mikev8746 get outta here
Aerith looks 'upset' not because of Cloud's answer, but because of her knowing she's going to die. Cloud's 'yeah, next time.' means for Aerith, there isn't going to be a next time. Cloud's 'yeah, why not?' and her questioning 'Yeah, why not..' is because it's in a sense of 'because I'm no longer going to be here' - THAT'S why she looks so upset or unsure. Cloud's answer for HA and LA still indicate he would be willing to go on more dates, but.. that can't be done if she's gone.. and that's what's upsetting for her.
@@geminuri I mean I'm no shipper but even I have to give these shippers this one. She clearly is dissapointed he's so casual about it and doesn't understand what 'next time' means. Even though it's weird because a minute later she says she's confused as to what kind of liking she has for him. But that's Aerith for you. Tragic.
@@mikev8746 You are SO inconsistent that it's clear you actually only care about whichever interpretation helps YOUR ship. Literally I've lost count of the times I've seen you see a positive Clerith take and go "no that's not how it is somehow literally dozens/hundreds of you are wrong while *I* am right" but here you are saying "ACTUALLY this WAS a romantic moment... because it makes it look like Aerith got rejected, which is convenient to me." And yeah I'm "accusing" you of shipping Cloti because no one who HONESTLY doesn't care about ships spends THIS MUCH time haunting Clerith vids and putting down the people who like it. GET A LIFE ALREADY. You STILL haven't answered my question on that other vid. Don't think I'm going to let that go so long as you continue to be a nuisance in the spaces I enjoy. Let me give you an analogy - all these vids and comments supporting Clerith are like people showing off a house that they have lovingly decorated. YOU are then BARGING into their house to tell them how garbage you think their decor is. Sure, you're allowed to have your own opinion on the ideal interior of a house - especially YOUR house - but if you don't like THEIR house, then keep it to yourself you rude piece of s**t. Shipping is meant to be a FUN thing that people bond over or agree to disagree over when their views don't align. And for as unhappy as you make me with these stupid comments you best believe I (and most fans) won't stop enjoying my ship and believing it's canon. You're not convincing anyone so why are you even TRYING to argue?
I genuinely hope you don't act this way towards people in real life because otherwise you WILL end up friendless and alone. And speaking as a girl I CAN'T imagine a guy I'd want anything to do with LESS than you. You don't respect ANY woman's opinion and you only respect a guy who AGREES with you. Any guy who likes Clerith is invalid. For SOME REASON. At this point I'm convinced it's not that you don't understand that staying in your lane is the polite thing to do, it's just that you WANT to pick fights. Because you're insecure.
Also let me tell you right here - you've put yourself in an unwinnable, indefensible position. Either you AGREE that "as a guy" any MALE Clerith shippers are EQUALLY valid to you since that seems to matter SO MUCH to you when it comes to interpreting Cloud... OR you hold your position and deny them. In which case you're admitting two things. One that you're using the guys vs girls thing to be awful to women and TWO, something that everyone already knows, NOT ALL GUYS ARE THE SAME. YOUR EXPERIENCES AREN'T UNIVERSAL. You CANNOT claim to understand Cloud better "as a guy" whilst DENYING any male Clerith shippers that same right. You cannot claim that CLOUD feels the same as you, either. Cloud is NOT a blank-slate avatar meant for you to insert into. He's a very complex character, with depth. I know YOU don't see it this way, but I promise that regardless of YOUR feelings, CLOUD'S feelings (as depicted in the entire Compilation, including Advent Children wherein he is LIVING IN AERITH'S CHURCH AND NOT TAKING TIFA'S CALLS. You'd think if Tifa was his true love with the narrative clearly confirming that, he would be living with her instead of blatantly ignoring her. Oh, and he has a SEPARATE room for when he RARELY stays with her. Two years after they supposedly "got together" in one way or another under the Highwind and they CLEARLY aren't together) are not the same. Maybe you and Cloud align in some ways, but he's not literally you and you are not a mind reader who can perfectly understand a fictional character that I guess hundred if not thousands of people must "grossly" misunderstand. Let me be clear in that I'm not saying I'm entirely right and you're entirely wrong about Cloud. What I AM saying is that claiming to better understand him based solely on being a guy is completely bogus, and if I didn't already suspect initially, that I'd certainly know it once you showed your hand in your dismissal of male Clerith shippers.
Cloud isn't even 100% consistent in a single game or movie, much less across EVERYTHING. Ever heard of the concept of "depending on the writer"? A lot of people are responsible for shaping who he is and how he feels. and SOME of those people might be on your side. But definitely not all of them. I'd argue not even most of them. You can't convincingly argue that because YOU see things a certain way that Cloud does. MAYBE, depending on the writer, he MIGHT. But that is a huge maybe, and definitely doesn't work for every single sticking point you have.
Oh! ALSO, if we're sticking to the idea that whether you're a guy or girl matters so much in how you interpret a character, then I guess that gives ME the free right to say that everything you ever say about Aerith (or Tifa, for that matter) is completely wrong! You just don't understand them, you're not a girl. You can't possibly interpret a girl's feelings correctly.
You don't need me to tell you how stupid and untrue that is, right? Give it up already. Get out of my house. Get out of my FRIEND'S houses. And stay away. Because as long as you're coming into OUR spaces be play contrarian then I'll keep fighting you. And as long as you refuse to respond to me I'll be happy with the knowledge that I've clearly out-argued you and you're a pathetic loser with nothing better to do than hate-watch and hate-comment stuff. I'm here because I LIKE Clerith content. It makes me happy. Clearly it bothers you though, so why the heck do you want to spend your limited time on this earth engaging in content you don't like? Fighting in the comments despite claiming to be neutral and not caring about shipping? Either you're a huge liar or you have serious problems and should seek professional help. :)
i can’t believe this is being debated in twitter 😭😭
Oh Twitter...such a mystery why these things happen there.
Only idiots argue on twitter, especially about things like this
LA is a blooper.
100% is lol
The ya dun goofed scenario, haha.
It's not the only blooper.
they reward you with better looking scenes when you treat aerith nicely ❤
Even if the details didnt already make it obvious, logically speaking, what game creators would actually want any LA scene to be the intended scene?
We know a group of particular individuals would say that the devs would want the LA scene here to be "canon or intended" lol
@@mlwjrpgThat's why the affinity system bothers me a bit. So many amazing interactions can be written off because it's optional.
@@mlwjrpg Given that Cloud litteraly does not give her an answer as to what he himself feels, even having an LA scene here feels weird? The HA one can still be interpreted as him just viewing her as his friend. It has zero impact to the story, Aerith opens her heart and Cloud doesn't answer her, he only focuses on the fact that he notices that something is off about the situation. Just like he dismisses her request for him to not look at the sky, he just needs to be in control and has to look. And he notices that there is something else she isn't telling him.
@@Mukation What are you talking about? He says he wants to go on more dates with her. She already knows where they stand, Cloud respons was already an affirmitive answer
@@lieberte That's an interpretation of whst Cloud means with "next time".
If yoy're Clerith biased, you won't see the obvious ambiguity.
He litterally does not respond that he likes her back as she confesses to having romantic feelings for him.
Thanks for putting this together. It gives insight into differences that many players aren't going to see if they have only played one time through! Great job
Yeah the differences are huge! You can tell they worked so much more on the HA scene, then when they got to the LA scene they were like...eh whatever lol
The LA scene is such an afterthought lol
It does not matter, truly, since the outcome will always be the same!
Exactly! That's the funny thing, we know no matter LA/HA, the destination is the same. But unfortunately, that LA scene people love to take it and equate that to Cloud "friendzoning" Aerith...ugh lol
@@mlwjrpg if that's a "friendzone" then damn, the rest of the game tells totally different thing 😂
@@mlwjrpg Yet Aerith is not going to let it go so easily, isn't she!
@@CosplayLetsPlay Friendzoning was the act of the player, not Cloud. Poor guy, being under influence of 2 sinister forces...
i knew there was something odd about the LA version, but i couldn't pinpoint what it was. thank you so much for your analysis!! hearing this coming from the perspective of someone who understands these editing tricks makes it so clear.
No problem glad you enjoyed! It took me awhile to even see the LA scene haha, I knew right away it was botched.
Its lazy editing. Hardcuts and camera angles makes a huge difference.
Of course this date is canon tho because this heavily helps the main story with whats happening in the different worlds and whats sephiroth is doing.
Nailed it, we all know which scene is canon and intended!
@@mlwjrpgWhy you can skip this(Aerith Date with Cloud in Zack Timeline,All Zack Moments) in New game plus😮in all Moments/Scenes for Zack World i don’t understand it’s not important at all for Nojima Story 😢YOU CAN LITERALLY SKIP THIS
Cloud was having a good time on the date. Holding her hand, smiling at her, taking couples photos with her, bothered when they weren't the chosen couple, all non optionally. The Low Affinity scene does not make sense for or connect to all that at all.
And people saying Aerith was just rejecting Cloud by saying "there's a difference between liking and liking."
..... She went on and initiated a whole date with him... Just to reject him?
I swear, people really just throw all logic out the window for their ship. I can't believe people even have to explain all this.
But great video. Interesting little details further proving what I thought should've been obvious to everyone.
Media literacy is at all time low...but it could also just be those people choosing to be ignorant to what they are seeing, so they don't want to accept it smh.
@@mlwjrpgi mean same thing could be said for the inverse…..the scene where they almost kiss in gongaga i see many cloud x aerith fans saying “cLouD lOokS sO uNcomForTabLe” or say “iTs veRy oNe sIdEd oNly tiFa wAs initIatiNg iT” my point is all this shipping stuff is dumb it’s purely subjective unless the devs pick a side in part 3 (which i think they will since zack is going to have a big roll)
@@mohammadalhusaini810it is dumb, it’s very obvious that the remake team is making it a point to show cloud is 1 not only confused about who he is, but also very confused about his feelings, romantic and non-romantic, like they purposely have Aerith and Cloud in romantic situations, and it’s obvious that they are because people who don’t like that ship will literally pause the game and go “you know I don’t see that as romantic” like so then how could you tell that was even what it was supposed to be. And then yeah like how could you ignore that he also really likes tifa. In Remake they give you a scene where both girls are literally holding his arms in the train graveyard. Like that’s a visual of them going oh yeah these two girls? They like him a lot
@@mohammadalhusaini810 Yes I agree, it's all subjective and up to interpretation, that is exactly how SE wants it lol
At least in the original compilation, the love triangle between Cloud, Aerith, and Tifa was only a distraction until the whole Sephiroth storyline surfaces. Aerith learns what she must do to save the planet, and with that any chance of romance with Aerith went out the window. In Remake, this is even more true because this time Aerith knew her role since the very beginning (before the whispers took her memories away). She does what she must do to save Cloud out of self-sacrifice, not out of romance. She even warns Cloud that whatever happens, he CAN'T fall in love with her.
** POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW **
In part 3, Cloud and Tifa's relationship is going to grow exponentially with the pivotal scene where Tifa guides Cloud to discover his true past. This scene is just as critical to FFVII, if not more so, than Aerith's death. This is the true proof of how close Tifa and Cloud are. Before this, Cloud's head isn't straight and you can't trust anything he says. After this, Aerith is off doing her own thing and no longer interacts with Cloud. Only Tifa stays by Cloud's side through thick and thin.
Also one thing I’ll say, the dialogue and cutscenes of Rebirth consistently line up VERY WELL with the music. The score of each cutscene is always mapped out to fit the scene precisely. The swelling heartwarming music that you hear during the “Yeah. Next time”/“I mean, why not”. It fits the tone of the HA scene far better. If LA was what the devs wanted you to see, the music would be at least a bit different but it clearly is made to be in tune with the HA scene which is another thing that makes it obvious IMO that it is the intended route.
That's a great point, the music was specifically tailored to every second of this scene. It's too good.
@@mlwjrpgYeah the music direction is amazing! Great video by the way. Love to see more Clerith content. I’d recommend making a profile picture though. I don’t really care personally but it will most likely help you gain traction as a creator. You could just use your profile pic from the other app.
@@speedboom9392 Oh I plan on getting one uploaded soon, wasn't sure which I wanted to use just yet, same as my twitter or something else haha.
@@mlwjrpgGood to know! We need more Clerith ambassadors out here!
@@speedboom9392 Time for us to rise up!
Finally some good clerith fucking content
More coming! 😌
@@mlwjrpgwhen!! We need more please 😩😩 loved this!
4:05 thank God i am not the only one who sees that for real the low scene doesn't make sense he didn't turn then out of nowhere we see him facing her 😂😂
Haha it's so funny isn't it?
The fact there are people who believe SE dedicated the most important chapter in the game to Cloud and Aerith while giving them an emotional date just to "friendzone" each other is beyond me. Did these people ever watch any type of media, movies or series before? You even have a random scene with Marlene telling Zack that Aerith likes Cloud. I mean, they could not make it any more obvious. But the most funny part is if Cloud and Tifa had even the half amount of scenes and dates that Cloud and Aerith have they would scream that they're canon.
Except the emotional date is meant to be a final goodbye before Aerith dies. Did you think SE dedicated all that storytelling to set up a romantic relationship just to break it off abruptly? That is beyond unbelievable. Aerith literally said "there's liking and then there's _liking_", clearly meaning her relationship with Cloud isn't just a simple romance. The funny thing is, in the Tifa date she gets a real solid kiss. Aerith's date is a lot more spiritual, see "I'm searching for the real you". The difference couldn't be any more obvious.
@@letao12 I believe Tifa's date is pure fan service since it has zero relevance to the storyline and Aerith is the default Rosa anyway. Cloud and Aerith's romance is the main reason why her death is so iconic and memorable. SE created a romantic build up between two characters and then one of them dies unexpectedly. And it is hinted that they wil reunite in part 3 and that will be the payoff of this storyline. Otherwise there is no reason to create a narrative of "defying destiny" or for Cloud to dodge Sephiroth's sword at the Forgotten capital.
@@kwstas1290 So why didn't they do "fan service" for Aerith? If what you say is true, then making the romance with Aerith stronger will have an even better payoff in the end. But that's not what they did. In fact in Remake, Aerith has a scene where she explicitly tells Cloud that he can't fall in love with her. Why not?
In the grander scheme of things, Aerith was always meant to be a savior who sacrifices herself to save the planet. That role is fundamentally incompatible with having a romantic relationship. Only Tifa has ever been available for romance because Tifa wasn't destined to die.
To your other points, who plays Rosa is pretty irrelevant to the plot. There's no rule that says only the true love can play Rosa. The narrative of defying destiny is set up to allow the producers to introduce new story elements so that it's not a carbon copy of the original, so that it has the potential to surprise old fans. It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make Aerith live this time around.
@@letao12 They didn't do fan service for Aerith because Nomura said he wanted to keep Aerith's date as close to the OG as possible because it's the most important date plot-wise. Also Aerith does not need fan service because the entire plot after chapter 12 revolves around her and Cloud. Aerith being Rosa IS important because the Loveless storyline is a direct parallel of Cloud and Aerith's relationship plus they both met under the Loveless sign in Midgar. The place where in Remake Aerith gave a flower to Cloud saying it symbolizes reunion. Aerith was never meant to be a martyr. The message behind the OG was "life" so the devs wanted to kill a main character to better convey that message so they chose to kill the main heroine because it was something new at the time and because her death would have a bigger impact to both the players and the characters.
"The narrative of defying destiny is set up to allow the producers to introduce new story elements so that it's not a carbon copy of the original, so that it has the potential to surprise old fans. It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make Aerith live this time around."
True, and we will not have a definitive answer until part 3 comes out but i personally find it extremely stupid to create a "defying destiny" plot if everything remains the same.
@@kwstas1290 I think your interpretation is incomplete. Yes they killed a main character to convey the themes of life and loss, but they didn't stop there. It was because of her death that she was able to save the planet. The death was not optional for the ending to play out. By your interpretation, they could have just as well killed off Tifa for the same effect and have a living Aerith cast Holy, but clearly that wouldn't have worked as well for the overall plot. This is also the reason why Nomura doesn't want to change the date - because it was never about romance, but about her role as protector and savior. If they had changed it for fan service, then that would have destroyed her role. On the other hand, Tifa doesn't carry that burden. She's plainly a love interest and so fan service is exactly on point.
It's also interesting how much importance you place on the play in proving their relationship, but it's called... loveLESS. That would be some next-level irony in storytelling if something called loveLESS is a direct parallel of a love relationship.
The fact that this scene has an alternate version at all is kind of silly honestly. Regardless of how into it he comes across - an enthusiastic "yeah, next time" vs a more distant/aloof "sure, why not" - Cloud STILL basically agrees to the idea of more dates with Aerith in the future. And Cloud STILL happily goes on the date with Aerith leading up to this scene, even being the one to point out the opportunity to get a picture taken as a couple. And Cloud and Aerith will ALWAYS hold hands after fighting Sephiroth TOGETHER in the end. The last two chapters of this game are so heavily in favor of this ship I don't understand how people who prefer Tifa can deny it. At the end of the day you can ship whatever you want but it's infuriating how Cloti fans insist that this ship isn't canon or even go as far as saying it's not even romantic and the two are just friends.
It's odd too because I believe this is the only scene that isn't optional that can be "altered" by LA/HA. I feel in typical SE fashion trying to "please" everyone. They put together the half-assed LA for the fans that went for Tifa route. But again...that route has massive inconsistencies and makes Cloud look like a dick lol.
Tifa is completely in the friend zone!
Its not romantic because Aerith never get to see the "real" cloud ever during their relationship. Which has been implied in this church scene. The dream forest scene. and the dating scene. 3 times bruh.
@@daenerystargaryen6302I wouldn’t say all that
In the LA japanese version, Cloud calls Aerith 'nakama' which is comrade.
I look at it this way. Our journey with Aerith is about to end.This scene is a sum up of Cloud's (which is us, the players) feelings for Aerith. Is she just a friend or something more? If you see her romantically, then ok. So, having said that, the Cloti's are not wrong if they don't find this scene romantic.
It's so clear they love each other! For some reason I want Barret to escort Cloud to the church at the end of part 3 knowing she's there cuz Marlene told him but Cloud doesn't know.
Cloud: "Barret you were right, to tell her how I feel, I wish I did."
Barret: (takes off sunglasses, grabs Cloud by the arm & gets real serious)..."Walk through those doors, trust me."
(Barret closes the church doors behind Cloud with a big smile, wiping a tear.)
I pray to the lifestream that at the end of part 3, Aerith's standing in "their spot" waiting for Cloud... then Cloud tosses his sword aside, runs to her, & kisses her ❤
I hope and pray you're spoiling part 3 haha, that would be peak
@mlwjrpg Haha hope so. Great catch this scene. I'd love to see your HA/LA for Aerith's song performance. 🎵
Oh my god. And a grand, epic orchestral version of "No Promises To Keep" plays because this is the day they meet again and he takes her hand and never lets her go... great, now look what you did! Love you though, great idea and now i need someone to make a fanart video with this.
What I like about this whole situation is that all you need to explain Aeirth and Cloud is a 5 minute video. But to "debunk" it... I've seen how they go an write very lengthy posts or a very long video. They need to do that because it's hard to negate what we are shown explicitly, but truth is free.
I was a Tifa boy before rebirth but its so blatantly obvious where they're going with Aerith and cloud that I no longer support her. I've been called Clerith just because I point out things like the video, they're delusional. Plus, they made Aerith so adorable and made her character grow so much, Rebirth is her game. Maybe devs did that just to have us suffer the ending.
Rebirth is Aerith's game because that's the last chance we'll really be able to interact with her. She is obviously central to the story so it's natural to spend time on her before she's gone. However that doesn't prove anything about her relationship with Cloud vs. Tifa. If you know about the full FFVII story, you know that Re-Part 3 is going to focus even heavier on Tifa.
@@letao12 did you read my entire comment? That on itself doesn't prove anything, it's a personal preference of mine. See how people have to go around arguments?
And you can bet money on Aerith having a healthy amount of screentime in part 3.
@@slayer1156 Which part did you feel I didn't read? Words like "truth" and "blatantly obvious" are not just personal preferences.
Screen time for Aerith - sure. But it definitely won't be any kind of love relationship. More like acceptance and redemption.
@@letao12 You said that Rebirth being her game doesnt prove anything. That bit is about my personal preference. My original argument wasnt that one, its the first part of my original post.
Come on, read it. No need to twist my words.
@@slayer1156 How does saying "it doesn't prove anything" have to do with your preference? If anything it relates to facts that you claimed were "truth" and "blatantly obvious" which they were not. You can read my reply again. Take your own advice and don't twist my words.
His face is such a telling detail, his face lights up and then deflates a little when she elaborates on the 'liking' because she doesn't want him to hurt when she's gone... and she THANKS him as they embrace precisely because he did not reject her feelings and he's accepted them. P1 gave us a Cloud confession (optional), P2 gave us a canon confession from Aerith, and Cloud accepting it canonically. I wonder what is instore for us in part 3!
I know there are some out there that are worried about part 3, but I'm very confident in what is going to unfold. It's going to be peak without an doubt.
@@mlwjrpgBrothers! At the end of the game Cloud speaks about seeing Aerith in the promised land. That is literally his last words in game. It is followed in AC with his depression.
TLDR - We are good.
I might add, the thanking bit has a different connotation in Japanese culture. It's basically a love, as in romantic love, declaration. That's why she and Cloud get so awkward after she says it.
I agree on everything except Cloud's confession in Remake is not optional. No matter which scene you pick Cloud's resolution scene with Aerith is the only one seen in the ending credits. Which means it's the one that the devs intended for the player to see.
Yall are tripping out here ..p1 confession makes absolutely no sense given the fact that they just met and that it was Aerith prime telling that to cloud who has never "confessed his love to her" even if he does end up loving her later on this still makes no sense in part 1, this should have been an optional scene in P2.. part 2 she says that she likes him but immediately takes it back by saying that theres different types of liking, not really a confession if you ask me. Cloud doesn't need Aerith to protect him by confusing him. It makes no difference to him weather or not he knows that she likes him or not, the events of the game will still happen regardless. IMO they did Aerith dirty here and they should have been more direct with her feeling towards him and vise versa if that was the real intention.
I'm blinded by the fact I had no idea there were changes in that scene. I got the High Affinity scene in my playthrough and enjoyed it. Thanks for your coverage.
I got HA on my first playthrough as well!
Cloud and Aerith have the best chemistry. Period. I legit have not seen a big ass smile from him until the end where he believes Aerith didn't die. There are so many signs throughout both games. I can't stand that this is actually a debate. When I first played the game at 9 years old I liked Cloti but it transitioned to Clerith at some point after maybe a second playthrough or so (don't get me wrong I loved Aerith a lot and I cried like a baby when she died). I also love Zerith but after playing remake I realized Clerith is the strongest pairing. Hands down.
Yeah the ending of Rebirth shows two of the softest smiles you'll ever see from Cloud period. That's interesting making that transition from Cloti to Clerith. You for sure sound like someone that is fully onboard with story being told and enjoying it for what it is.
The issue with Tifa is that even though she shows to be a good childhood friend of Cloud, what she did and say and think made me feel like she was doing all that for herself. Cloud is the only person left for her. So she tried to keep him. Somehow like a property. She even begged Sephiroth in her vision not to take Cloud away.
Aerith - on the other hand - seeks to find the real Cloud. And all she did was to save the world + Cloud, even though this means she might not be with the world / him in person anymore.
Did tifa lied about his childhood?
@@itsbeyondme5560 She did, but not intentionally. I would go into detail about this but I don't want to spoil the story in case you haven't played the original game.
@@Guy9998 I already played it over years ago. I'm 35
Aerith loves Cloud selflessly while Tifa just likes Cloud for her own benefit 💀
@@itsbeyondme5560 Oh okay. Well then to elaborate Tifa and Cloud don't remember their childhood correctly because in the Lifestream sequence they realize that they never really knew each other since Tifa's friend group never let him play with them. Cloud's persona was given to him by Tifa when she finds him completely out of it at the train station slumped over with Zack's sword. Because Tifa remembers things incorrectly, the Jenova cells read Tifa's mind and give Cloud his Zack persona since Tifa thought that Cloud had actually become a member of soldier and she remembered Zack from Nibelheim. I assume Zack was the only Soldier she had witnessed in action hence why Cloud has his mannerisms and fighting style.
Adorable scenes with them
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Hi! This is a really nice break down of the High Affinity and Low Affinity between the characters and Cloud and Aerith are my favorite pair of characters in Final Fantasy VII! Keep up the great work!
Appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed the breakdown! More will be coming!
The LA version is just a quick slap, something to calm down clotis, change my mind.
The funny thing about the LA is, that it's actually still good for CAs. As the outcome is the same haha.
@@mlwjrpgI think it gives them the confirmation that he view Aerith as a friend, and that's enough ammo for their ship lol.
Wow I didn't know there were two scenes! I got High Affinity on my playthrough but I didn't even get Aerith date!
I got Tifa 1st half and Reds Skywheel 2nd, and I tried to be nice to Aerith but I guess I missed some side quests of her.
All that to say I still got the better HA scene so how bad do players have to bomb this game to get the LA scenes 😭🤣 its like a punishment.
It's the players that literally opt to ignore Aerith the entire game and/or intentionally be mean to her of course.
@@mlwjrpg Crazy, I can't imagine doing that unless for shits and giggles or trying to get Vincent/ Cids date
Kinda weird the devs even made the alternate scene when they clearly didn't care enough to finish it? Just seems lazy. They're like "yeah it doesn't fit the narrative and we're gonna half ass the animation but here you go?"
thanks for this spot-on analytics! i've been wondering myself which affinity is the one meant to be in the storyline. well this confirms it, my clerith heart is happy :')
No problem! Glad this helped out, big Clerith W
#AerithCanonRoute
You know it!
Apparently HA can still happen even if Aerith is never dated previously, at least from what I've seen, so this is pretty confirmed to be canon, just as all side missions in Remake are considered canon in Rebirth. As Aerith is the canon Rosa anyways, which invalidates Yuffie and Tifa's Skywheel dates.
What's pretty cool is on multiple playthroughs if someone is going for plat/100%, then that means all characters will get to max affinity. That means HA becomes the default for Aerith no matter what. HA church scene will always happen.
@mlwjrpg I'm actually not sure how the church LA/HA is chosen. I've seen quite a few streamers who had really high affinity with Aerith and still got LA.
I've heard someone say it's linked to both chapter 8 and 12 dates, and that you get LA if you didn't get Aerith in either of those.
@@fiprosha It's not 100% clear how it shakes out to be. But 100% you'll get the HA scene no matter what at max affinity which is 5 bars. 4 bars, well that's where it gets iffy.
En serio hay gente que se pelea por estas cosas? Lo primero quería agradecerte por enseñar esto, no sabía que hubiese diferencias en esta escena dependiendo de la afinidad. Dicho esto y volviendo a lo de antes, Aerith o Aeris como también es conocida le dice eso a Cloud por que ella sabe lo que va a pasar (hay muchos momentos en este juego y en remake que se da a entender) y no quiere hacerle daño. Además, aunque ella sigue teniendo sentimientos por Zack, a lo largo del juego termina queriendo a Cloud. Aunque Cloud no sea receptivo al principio, Aerith lo ayuda con sus problemas de timidez, baja autoestima y depresión. Estos transtornos los tiene Cloud y ella le ayuda de alguna forma a superarlos. Gran video
Nice, I was wondering what the differences were. Good details on how she’s not looking at anyone and the sound effects are missing.
I really wonder why they decided to do 2 versions of this scene. Like with gold saucer dates I understand it’s a chance to get a lot of different interactions, but this is an unavoidable part of the story. To have there be 2 versions makes it seem like whether or not Cloud likes Aerith romantically doesn’t matter. And I mean yea, from a plot perspective it doesn’t change anything, but still, I wish they would just pick HA or LA and stick with it.
My highest affinity was randomly with RedXVIII, and I got the LA scene. It’s not like I had low affinity with Aerith though, so the difference seems like it’s only if she has the highest affinity or not. Which feels weird, it makes it seem like the HA scene is only there for Aerith fans because everyone else gets the LA scene.
It just makes me feel like there’s no way they’ll go in a CloudxAerith direction in part 3. Even if she’s alive, most players will not have seen the HA version of this scene, so it might seem weird if Cloud suddenly is into her. But it’s really easy to ignore the people that saw the HA version of the scene because “well, she died so that’s that”.
In Part 3 I hope they let the Player decide the outcome; that way ALL the shippers can be equal parts satisfied AND pissed off.
I have no idea what they're going to do here. Personally I want them to commit to one route and go all in on it. But, SE is all about trying to "please" everyone, which is one of it's flaws that causes problems.
I didn’t even know there was two versions of this scene lol
Yeah it's pretty crazy right, which one did you get?
if you lip read the high afinity in english,in the close up you can see aerith doesnt say thank you cloud, she says i love you. they problably animated that first but then changed the english line to be less obvious.
the lip movement doesnt match the thank you syllables .but match i lo ve you perfectly
Oh is that true? I'll need to go back and watch the scene in slow motion at that part. You're referring to when they are hugging right?
@@mlwjrpg its easier to read with the summer costume ua-cam.com/video/jLcVypSN1rk/v-deo.html
Honestly I could believe it! Always remember that in Japanese, Yuna tells Tidus "thank you" (arigatou) at the end of FFX. And that was translated in English as "I love you." I don't really understand how/why that works in Japanese, but my research has shown this is considered a "good/correct" translation. Her thanking him in that moment WAS supposed to subtly connote a love confession, so of course in English we needed a direct translation. Otherwise a lot of people would have been confused why Tidus was SO shocked at a simple thank you. Personally I find the vibes of that scene and this one VERY similar. In both cases, the pair is about to be be split apart, the girl says "arigatou" by itself and the guy is notably surprised at a seemingly simple phrase, implying it means more. In other words we were ROBBED of an "I love you" from Aerith in English.
@@AlyssaJ14I agree with every word, I also think that Rebirth is inspired by FFX, Aerith dancing in the temple even at the stage of the trailer made me think about Yuna, and then this scene happened in the church. I would also note the final CGI, Aerith in the video turns away and leaves Cloud, and he looks at her back with a knowing and sad face, the composition itself and the overall mood of the scene is very similar to the scene when Tidus leaves, and Yuna just has to look after him.
For me who didn’t know much or being really fan of ff7 , even though I didn’t know much but as i watch the scene between them from both remake and rebirth.
I think Aerith and Cloud love each other because every time he around her , it’s like his true self. Not cold or indifferent but show to feel comfortable when he was with her , unlike when he with Tifa which obviously awkward and uncomfortable. I always wonder like why people think he love her or if she really love him because from the start of the story when they were in the same village , she asked him to be her hero which it seem like she asked him to be something that is not himself but Cloud tried because he was in his puppy love state (but puppy love didn’t mean it can consider as true love that reach to the point of love until death do them apart) also Tifa didn’t has amnesia so she can told him everything but she never did which for me it seem so weird…..like did you really try to help him or you afraid that cool him will lose so you didn’t try to really help him (and my eyebrow was super frowned when i knew that Tifa not even tried to told everyone that Cloud used to save her life because if she did that at least he won’t get any scold and yeah she didn’t do it which like the more i know her the more i think she is selfish person)
Also i heard that in original version , Cloud said he wanted to meet Aerith in the promised land but he didn’t mentioned to other (or at least Tifa because if he really consider her as love of his life he might said like i hope someday we will meet her (because she’s our important friend)) and I noticed that Cloud never refused to date with Aerith , i mean come on if they are really just friends then why he didn’t refuse it????? Because friends won’t date each other except they both have the feeling toward each other but just didn’t aware of it😂 While when he with Tifa , they both can do something together that can almost consider as date in canon but they didn’t. So i still confused like why someone still refuse about Aerith and Cloud, this is so obviously act , they are not just friends but it just that death took Aerith away from him……so they can’t be together anymore
Had no clue the scene was different cause of the affinity. Crazy.
Which scene did you get on your playthrough?
I didn't even notice there were different versions of this. I think I got the LA scene but I can't be 100% sure. And I was aiming to get Aerith on the date. Unfortunately got Barret (bro love too hard to dismiss haha).
I was aiming for Aerith too but instead I got Red XIII which actually ended being pretty good.
@@Guy9998 they were all really good scenes the devs definitely didn't let us down.
Really appreciate for your analysis. Wouldn’t have known this without your video, thank you
This video is now a bit outdated in terms of the beginning of it when I talk about how affinity effects this scene. Later we discovered it's about the dates, which I did a video on more recently. Make sure you check that out too.
Excellent analysis! 😇
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
good good love you a detective clerith Can I repost your vedio to china platform BillBill ? Some Chinese Clerith will like it .
Yes go for it
I need to know what the deciding factor is for HA and LA. I definitely had Aerith on all bars of friendship but I got tifa for the skywheel date instead of Aerith when I wanted it to be Aerith. I can’t remember from my playthrough exactly but I feel like I got the low affinity version which pisses me off. I need to know
As far as I know, after your first playthrough, you can check the current affinity levels in the options
It's based off the affinity choices from the conversations, who you use in battle the most, who you've used synergy abilities with the most and if you used all of them.
You must've used Tifa quite a bit, they gain affinity when you use them in your party, use synergy, etc.
It's a mixed bag, from what I've seen. The affinity system is kind of a mystery, as I've watched people have different dates in chapters 8 or 12 and get HA. It's also a lot harder to verify the cause as I think the only true way to test is to replay Rebirth fresh repeatedly under multiple scenarios to truly isolate the factors, and most people wouldn't have the time to do that.
@@geminuri the side quests and what u answer to them is the most important thing
Love this 😍❤️
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@@mlwjrpg I didn’t notice this when I played it the first time cause I got High Affinity with Aerith my first run , but this is a very interesting piece of secret dev info … hmmm interesting 🧐
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Do you only get the high affinity version if you get Aerith for the GS date, or can you get it if you get one of the others? I assume you will always get the low affinity if you got Tifa.
It's possible to still get HA with different date combinations, it depends on many factors such as synergy attacks, how often each is used in battle, chap 8 and/or chap 12 date. I believe someone got Tifa for ch 8 but Aerith for chap 12 and got HA in the church for example.
How? Can it be a version update?
nice
nice content
Thanks!
I got the High screen
The ideal scene
Cloud/Aerith is the true couple of FF7.
Every counterargument is invalid.
Too many out there try lmao
With it comes to aerith moment SE didn't even work hard for her just small detail is enough.
The entirety of chapter 13/14 was designed to mess with your head... Who's doing that to a certain character?
RDR2 this is not.
Bro I’m gonna be honest this is way too nit picky lmao. Get a life! Lmao jk, I appreciate the content
What a strange comment. A lot of people do composition and cinematography analysis just for fun -- it's a hobby and is for sharing things they noticed that others might not have.
Ha ha fair enough, that made me laugh at the start of your comment lol
You're not "my boy"
That's fine
Man this is some level of hope you have to maintain just to keep alive a ship 😂 What is even the point of trying to figure out what the devs ‘intended’ the player to see? Could just as well be they were just resourceful with their process and they had no canonical intentions.
They do unlike tifa
@@itsbeyondme5560 What are you talking about lol
@@mikev8746 read on a way of a child.
Cloud still thinking about aerith
@@itsbeyondme5560 1. So? Those we lose to death we think about the most sometimes. 2. That's a pre Remake book, direction has changed since
@@mikev8746 I know
It means cloud and aerith will meet together.
She doesn't look at Cloud because she is nervous, shy and unsure what Cloud going to respond in my opinion.
All the other times she was just running circles around him as he's hopelessly been dragged around by her with her confident stride and just played around having fun. Here she wants to know for real. She wants to know what _he_ really feels about her. And she doesn't know what his answer is going to be. She twists her arms, twirls, looks everywere except at Cloud.
Gone is the sassy, confident seductress that has been running circles around Cloud these past 2 games and infront of Cloud is now just a girl about to tell a boy how she feels,.... And who is unsure what the answer will be.
If she _just_ wanted to tell him she loves him before she dies, she would have done so. Her comment during the GS date about "just till the ride is over" indicates that she's ok if he doesn't like him back and it gave him an "out" to not react. If you have low enough affinity he doesn't do anything, and if High he initiates holding her hand..... but still says _nothing_ about what she just said about what she wants them to be.
And then she say's she really likes him, not that she loves him. And immediatly starts second guessing herself, starts mumbling about what "like" can means etc. Because again, she's is unsure of what Cloud will respond. Will he tell her he likes her too? Will he pull her close and kiss her? Will he reject her? Will he again try to avoid the conversation? She doesn't know.
And what DOES Cloud do in both HA and LA versions? He DOESN'T answer her. He senses that she just told him this because _something_ is going to happen and he confronts her about it instead of actually responding to the fact that she confessed her feelings for him.
Cloud is a bit socially aloof, but he isn't stupid, he knew that Aerith wanted an answer from him, but him being him, he needed to be in control, he sensed she was hiding something else and just like when she told him not to look up at the sky, he needed to look.
To me it seemed that she very much interpreted him avoiding the conversation as a rejection in both HA and LA. And that's why she reacts with such sadness aswell and even apologises before initiating physical contact (something she has never done all the other times she has hugged, held his hand, rested on his shoulders etc). Her apology makes sense if you think she just accepted a rejection, but still needed to hug him before kicking him out of that timeline.
My opinion has always been that SE intentionally never answered the question regarding Clouds feelings for the two women vying for his affection and do not think they will this time around either, honestly.
Both of them have confessed their feelings for him and in all canon events as of yet Cloud has never given a response that can't be interpreted as either just romantic or just platonic.
In Rebirth he stood dumbfounded when Tifa tried to kiss him in Gongaga and he didn't say anything as she left the room, nor did he run after her etc, it's only on the dates (whom the devs say is to be considered non canon) that he may kiss Tifa, which i think was simply because Rebirth was definatly Aeriths game, so the optional kiss "balances" the scale. Remake was balanced and pt3 will be Tifas game (Mideel, Lifestream and Highwind).
So i can honestly imagine that they will have an optional dream/alt timeline Aerith scene in pt 3 were Cloud will tell her that he forgot to give her an answer on their last date and initiate a kiss with her there.
Even if she is simply nervous, shy and insecure, her glancing during LA scene looks strange and unnatural in my opinion. I really don't think that was the devs' intention. An oversight, more like
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Yeah, in this case having an LA scene honestly feels redundant, since the HA scene doesn't actually make Cloud confirm his feelings for her and his responces are 99% exactly the same. We know Cloud likes and cares for Aerith, what been left "grey" is wheather he is in love with her. The same with Tifa (yeah he had a crush on her as a kid, but not neccesarily as an adult).
They could easily have kept the HA scene as the only scene, it doesn't change the status quo on the unresolved love triangle.
@@Mukation For me personally, the difference between HA and LA scene is not very significant to the main plot (although I prefer the HA one more), but it indicates a certain readiness of Cloud for a possible next step in the relationship
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Sure, but it's still just one line of him saying "nexr time", it's grey enough to be interpreted. And he again doesn't engage with the conversation Aerith was trying to have with him.
Which again can be seen as him either realising she is hiding something very important from him or as him deflecting because he doesn't feel the same way.
I think Cloud's response to Aerith and if he loves her will be saved in the 3rd game (same with his response to Tifa; player choice and all that). Square knows that's what Cloud and Aerith fans want so they're going to make us wait until the 3rd game to get an official reply from Cloud depending on the players actions of course.
They'll also have to hash out how Aerith and Zack feel about each other now. I personally think it's best for them to stay as friends because I didn't get much romantic scenes with Zack and Aerith in FF7 Remake and FF7 Rebirth and mind you the writers could've made them them more of a couple but didn't. I'm picturing Aerith for example recalling her date with Zack building the flower cart and mentioning it to everyone or mentioning that her hair ribbon was a gift from Zack and that she thinks about him often- but nothing occurred like that so I'm left to believe she's moved on from him. She might not be actively pursuing for his love anymore. If they want them (Zack and Aerith) to be a couple.. for me they have a lot of work to do because I don't really see it unfortunately.
It just feels like in this whole scene, she acts like she’s unhealthily obsessed over him. I’m like the only person who’s getting creepy vibes from the date. Especially when the date’s in an alternate universe that’s about to get perished.
The algorithm apparently works...
Not creepy, not "obsessed"... but the date/world def has an off vibe. Aerith is acting weird cause, you know, she's about to die, and Cloud realizes she's being strange.
She didn’t obsessed with him but she just did her best because her time almost out. If people know that their time on earth is about to the end , surely they will do the same as Aerith…to say farewell to the most important person.
You're missing the point of the scene and misreading if you think it's creepy.
@@midnightroom4632Ok, than explain why Aerith decided to take Cloud into an alternate universe that’s about to be destroyed then. Wouldn’t it be more reasonable if she said goodbye to Cloud in his memories, or (And I’m saying this hypothetically), say goodbye to him in a dream before she goes to the City of the Ancients similar to what she did before she leaves to the City of the Ancients in the original FF7?
I think either situation could be canon depending on how you look at it. Of course with this being Zack-Cloud, he would have a higher affinity towards Aerith. But on the same token, Cloud is still in there and Tifa is #1 in his true self, so in the low affinity version it could be argued that it's more of Cloud's true self presenting. People want to argue that Aerith is the canon love interest, when she really isn't if you boil it down to who Cloud is (pretending) to be for the majority of the game versus who he actually is. Sure, he cares for Aerith, but not in the same way he cares for Tifa at the end of the day.
Cloud is pretending to be a soldier from what he's seen of Zack and the stories he heard and the events he witnessed. His persona is a reflection of what he thinks his ideal self should be. If it's him copying Zack, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Zack's character because goofy, real Cloud acts much more similar to Zack than Cloud's aloof soldier persona.
Cloud carries himself and fights like Zack. He has NOTHING else of Zack. He knows where he is from, he knows Tifa from childhood, he knows his mom. He doesn't know Zack's parents, Aerith, doesn't think he's from gongaga. He doesn't think he's named Zack.
This take that he's Zack everytime he interacts with Aerith/does sth that doesn't fit CT/ZA agenda, and he's the "real Cloud" every other time is nonsensical.
So what you’re saying is no matter what the player does, Cloud will ignore Aerith’s confession and call her weird, which is a trigger word for her.
Makes sense considering he has zero romantic interest in her
If he doesn't have any romantic interest in her, that means he definitely doesn't have any romantic interest in anyone
Actually what I'm saying is you need to play the game without deciding to be willfully ignorant to the story.
Thank you for demonstrating that this part of the dream given is also due to affinity
What did the Clerith say? Optional
This didn't go well for you either 😂
- "I mean, why not?" - This would be your answer if you were in love with another girl even after exhausting your HA points during all the OPTIONAL choices? Incidentally, Cloud's response is the same both after his date with Tifa in HA and for the rest of the dates (except the one with Aerith)
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Could this be the proof?
You are in a really bad situation if you think that a person wanting to have other places is something comparable to being a couple
Here we forget one important thing the Nakama
I'm really sorry because you try and try again but it will always remain a dream of yours and a fanfiction
@@baldr8790 Are you really sorry? So much so that you decided to share your thoughts under a video that clearly disagrees with your views? You knew very well that there would be more Clerith shippers in the comments section. The only person you're really trying to convince here is yourself. So go one, try and try again. In any case, more comments are good for the video algorithm
@@baldr8790 He said Nakama only low affection scene. if high affection cloud said he want go for another date.
That fact in a canon book "On the Way to a Smile"
Cloud be stated by nojima as aerith lover(koibito)
That why HA more make sense but even not count HA LA answer Cloud will hug her back as it should
What he says in the church can be different. But them going on the date just before is not optional. They were holding hands and taking couples pictures. You don't do that with just a friend. The high affinity matches with the date.
Have your fun for now, in part 3 Cleriths will become extinct for good 😂😂
Are you sure about THAT😂
She still have at least a few clones lying around the timelines. And also, she's in the Lifestream, ready to send up smoke if anything is to happen. And guess what, Cloud would abandon anything and rush toward the smoke. Is it destiny? Or fate? Or chance?
part 3 never can do anything with clerith
This is exactly what I heard from Clotis after Remake: "You, Cleriths, will see what will happen in the second part and will finally see with your eyes." I just wonder what (or anything) you will say after the last part, or maybe someone will actually become extinct
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Cleriths will become an extinct species by the end of Part 3, mark my words. If you don't like the idea of Cloud x Tifa, you better start getting used to it!
Why Aerith so thirst of Cloud when she knows Cloud and Tifa are something...? 😂
If by "something" you mean friends, then the answer is obvious
That's crazy because everytime someone asks Tifa or Cloud if there's sth between them, they deny it. Tifa knowing Cloud from childhood doesn't give her "dibs".
@@Nat_the_White_Mage not friends.. Like romantic feelings
@@Gamze-ql7kr yeah they both shy to each other.. But we all know they have romantic feelings.
Why is it just Aerith "thirsting?" Clearly Cloud was enjoying every bit of that date.
Damn how is this still a debate its been 27 years cleariths give it up 😂 zack and aerith cloud and tifa that simple
Though i would hate to have a clearith as my friend in real life like i would be scared you guys would try to steal my girl after i die saving you and half the internst is saying omg its so cute lol oh god i already got them angry that was a joke its a joke calm down. no but seriously the clearith thing is just so wrong in so many ways aerith may have something for cloud but cloud clearly doesnt like aerith in the same way because cloud is a bro.
It also seems kinda dumb for aerith to try and go for cloud because she knows cloud and tifa like each other and tifa would have told aerith this and cloud and tifa always end up together in every timeline one way or another since sephiroth himself says the worlds are all connected along with the lifestream also she would have to know how much zack is fighting for her in the timelines that shes alive.
so really anything clearith i feel like its just a way for square to milk that side of the fan base until part 3 comes out because everyone knows what will happen in part 3 zack and aerith reunite help cloud save the planet go back into the lifestream then you got cloud and tifa finally expressing their romantic feelings all leading to the legendary highwind scene on the rocks😂 and by the end lead into ff7 advent children and its a good thing the devs said it will lead into ac by the end of the trilogy so yeah personally i cant wait for part 3 nojima is cooking its going to be so great.😊
Cleriths are deluding themselves and going to be coping hard once part 3 comes out.
Dang I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho, or sorry that happened. Stan Clerith for clear skin. 🩷
No matter how many paragraphs you write, the only person you are trying to convince here is yourself. If you were truly confident in your views, you wouldn't need to post them on a forum full of Cleriths. Unless you just want to put the cat among the pigeons
TBF since 1997, only Cloti made super long essay explaining about their ship, not Clerith. I guess it’s logical since you likely need to explain quantum physics to enjoy it. Never read them tho…
If I need to spend ridiculous energy to like Cloti, it’s tiresome so no thanks. Better enjoy romance between main couples of story.
You’re just delusional, the man made a whole video with proof that the scene has been altered for the sake of fans like you who flip the world upside down if the story doesn’t go with cloud and tifa. Even if I didn’t prefer Aerith I could still clearly see that Aerith and Cloud are the canon ship, would be together if she never died.
You wrote a whole essay to debunk what’s been clearly proved. To rub salt in the wound, Aerith is the one searching for the ‘real’ cloud while tifa likes the empty mixed memory soldier cloud. It doesn’t take rocket science to see that tifa is 2nd choice storywise. But each to their own to cope, we’ll see what part 3 says
I think more care was put into the HA scene because it was meant to be a reward for the player’s hard work
It's possible, but it really isn't that difficult to get the HA scene.
good good love you a detective clerith Can I repost your vedio to china platform BillBill ? Some Chinese Clerith will like it .
Of course you can!
Man this is some level of hope you have to maintain just to keep alive a ship 😂 What is even the point of trying to figure out what the devs ‘intended’ the player to see? Could just as well be they were just resourceful with their process and they had no canonical intentions.
Man, this video is mainly about some technical insight in the game. If it didn't exist, the video wouldn't have been made at all. The personal approach to the nature of the main characters' relationship is secondary here
Well hello again sir! I see you have migrated from a different Clerith vid in your continuing quest to try and invalidate our ship because you're clearly insecure. :) How about you step off already or at least have the decency to answer the question I posed of you on that other vid, if you're going to continue to be an absolute pest that nobody likes? :) Or could it be that you haven't answered me (and as far as I've seen not left ANY comment on that vid in a few days now) because you know everything I said was right? :) Seriously, there's a limit to how obnoxious you can be. If you actually felt confident and secure in your ship (or as you call it, in the "true" narrative of the story) then you wouldn't feel the NEED to come into our spaces and fight with us. You'd be content to sit back and let the games prove your point. Because it's a waste of energy to fight about something when the answer is supposedly obvious. But I guess either you're just stupid and irrational or you know that in fact it's NOT as obvious as you want it to be. I've said it before and I'll say it again - LEAVE ALREADY.
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Thats true yet it was stated the devs 'intended' a version above the other. Pardon me for literally reading into that what is stated. And I disagree with that because workflow and artistic intention aren't always intertwined. So you can never interpret one as the other. If that was a misunderstanding from my part then consider my argument retracted.
I don’t understand this question. You sound like those people who say “the curtains are just blue” when it comes to media analysis.
Maybe it’s not your thing, but a lot of people like to see the technical and editing choices done for a scene for fun. It’s a hobby. It’s interesting to know that there were differences that existed and to speculate on why those differences occurred. It’s especially interesting in FF7R’s case because the devs mentioned that they’re using the trilogy to explore and explain things that they couldn’t before due to the technological limitations of games in the 90s.
It seems you’re just irritated that a person like the video maker who enjoys analyzing technical edits and cinematography is doing so for a ship you don’t care about. In which case I’d ask - why are you here?
Oh wait lol you’re the guy in that other Clerith video by yououuii that stopped replying after pestering for a response on why I don’t think the game will end like OG (and claiming I’m only doing it for a ship lol)
Bro WHY do you go into Clerith spaces so much? I don’t really care because it’s engagement for the channel but I personally don’t bother Clotis on their videos and telling them my opinions as if they’re facts.