Father Divine: A Case Study in Charisma
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2015
- In the 1920's and 30's, over 2 million people accepted Father Divine as God incarnate. What allowed him to command such devotion, and where are those people today?
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I live in Philadelphia; in the 1990's while riding the bus I left my handwritten book of scriptures on the bus. A woman called me and said I could come pick up my book at The Divine Lorraine Hotel on Broad street. When I stepped into that hotel it was like stepping back in time to the 1800's. It was as clean as the board of health; the women were dressed in long dresses and had turbans on their heads and looked impeccably clean with aprons on and in white. When the lady came down to give me my book as I thanked her we struck up a conversation; I said "this is where Father Divine had his headquarters isn't it"? "What year was it he died"? To which she responded: "He ain't dead." I was outta there but I will never forget how it seemed literally like a trip back in time.
Wow Will Martinez, I would love to go to that building just to see and meet the residents living there
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jim Jones stole his moves!
Including the Kool-Aid. Abstaining from all alcohol and requiring the same of his followers, Father Divine served lots of 'imitation-flavored soft drinks' at those huge banquets.
@@pennypay1 at styststs s ya yyysyst artistry s taste
Jim Jones, He was a disciple of Father Divine....
@@pennypay1 ay dios mio
Wait didn’t Jim Jones force people to kill them self . Even though he called his self God and had two wives is werid but doesn’t seem like he hurt any of his followers or caused them to hurt them selfs
No man can take God's glory. There will be many false prophets among us.
Amen
Not the case here. He was praised and actually did something.
But for whose glory.
Satan has ministering angels, and can transform into an angel of light.
God(s) made man in his image, did (t)he(y) not?
even though I know of Father Divine, I had no idea he had two million followers from Australia to Switzerland, I knew he re married and she was a white woman but didn't realize he had thousands of white followers also, that's hard to believe because of racism in 1920's-40's
Christ deserves the followers. Bible and verse >>
James 1:27 KJV (Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.)
Father Divine was one of the smoothest one of the most sophisticated cult leaders I have ever seen in all my life I never knew Divine existed until now the summer of 2020 I am not sure apparently Ive been living under a rock cause I never heard of this man proclaiming to be 🙄 GOD the only GOD I ever really knew was the Alpha, the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending amen and 2 GOD B the Glory!
@Violin Accordion well I am not really certain they all want money but let's just say at least there's a few in the bunch who sincerely have the best interest of the people in heart and are making God's sanctuary as beautiful and as delicate as can be with tithes and building funds money's coming in from the congregation, I am sure there must be a few of them folk somewhere out there or at least I hope and pray even though a majority of the preachers in the world are living in the most elegant houses if not mansions and are driving the most expensive cars likes Lamborghini, Bentley Porsche and so have you and furthermore most of them have taken your hard earned monies and have moved in the most upscale neighbor hoods ain't nobody rich but the preacher man.
@@katymartin5026 Usually, it's the ones who impact the most people who are the ones who get rich. That's the key. There's nothing wrong with that when it is done legally and ethically.
Pretty sure this man is burning in hell by The Most High God!! There is only one true living God!!
He never claimed up be God though.
Thank you for this Short Doc I'm writing a screenplay inspired by Death Cults and Jealous Divine was a key figure in Jim Jones' religious career.
Yeah,he came and tried,to take it over but, Mother Divine was wise enough to see through his bull.Enough some of their members left, and went with him unfortunately.
Where does the name jealous divine come from? Who was he jealous of? I guess its a little before my time please if you don't mind so kindly share with me.
@@Suri-o7w it was his name
@@nowwhat1434 It was his chosen name, not his given name.
I'm thankful to have learned something new today. Thank You for the info
This is why I love to read. I was educated with the works of Hemingway and Emily Dickinson and very well-known stories about Columbus and Washington and Martin Luther King Jr. At one time, I regularly shopped with my parents just a few miles south of this guy's Harlem establishment. Yet I doubt I would have heard of this guy, had I not been an avid reader. His charisma affected an already somewhat delusional Barbadian immigrant in the novel 'Brown Girl, Brownstones'; the man went on to abandon his wife and daughters and manage a 'Peace' restaurant at Divine's request. His younger daughter didn't see any spirituality in the banquets and idolization of that 'little man'.
Jim Jones tried to unite both Churches after Father died but Jones said in order to do so he had to make Love to Mrs. Divine, but she unfortunately said no. These people are freakin crazy.
xCaptxCrunchx I remember seeing that in a doc about Jim Jones. I knew she was white but didn’t know Father Divine was black. Never heard of Father Divine until now
CAN YOU GIVE ME THE TITLE OF THAT DOCUMENTARY OR VIDEO CLIP
LOL!
*fortunately
No Jim Jones was crazy don't put him on the same level as Father Divine.
Question: "Why wasn't there a major motion picture about the late Rev. Father Divine & His Peace Mission Movement?"
PROLYFNOTSEE why bullshit, he was feared in his time and written out of history, where’s the bullshit?
@@DropFloat Feared by whom?
@PROLYFGUY - So is Rocky I, II, III, IV, and V
@@DropFloat What exactly is the virtue in being feared?
...because his particular cult didn't end in mass suicide...
I saw one store stating “Father Divine is God Almighty.” 🤦🏽♀️ These people were surely lost.
You wouldn't know God if he smacked you in the face.
@@b7k1l8yn well, we have the Bible that would explain that to us, wouldn't it? Jesus said that if anyone claims to know where the Kingdom of Heaven is, not to go follow it because the Kingdom of Heaven is within you.
If we read the Bible further, we'd find that each and every individual make up the sum of God. Jesus himself called us gods. Genesis says that God himself called us gods.
There is a parallel in all of this. Sure, there are messengers of God; pastors, prophets, teachers, evangelists and apostles that speak to us and lead us, but they alone aren't God himself. Just a vessel.
If someone called themselves God. Watch out! We are all of the same body. Christ is the head of that body and no one else.
Lamo tell him , migol1984 It’s crazy how messed up people r not to see the truth when it’s in there face everyday
@@migol1984 Yes, false prophet, our people following wolves in sheep clothing.. Our people are destroy for the lack of knowledge. Smh 🤦🏾♀️
@@b7k1l8yn it's okay buddy you can still repent and ask god for forgiveness
His widow passed away just a couple of years ago.
Deception is contagious and when you neglect the teaching of Jesus... Abide in me and I will Abide in you. Then you can be sold the Brooklyn Bridge for a dime. How can so many become victim to this...by not knowing the Truth and accepting The Lie. Question everything ?
Notice how his movement was so powerful that they literally have to belittle it by pointing out some of his flaws. A black man in those times got people of all races to come together and help each other and they try to discredit him cause no religion have ever done for the people what he did. This is sad world we live in when a person tries to do something good for humanity and he or she is attacked cause they wasnt perfect.
Soooo jim jones should be praised???
@@akreacts8194 you cant be that????? He took the concept and used it to trick people into believing in him and then once he knee it was over he then killed them so they would never know that he was fake. So NO he shouldnt be praised.
@@akreacts8194 you really want to compare this man to a guy that massacred 100s of people?? Really guy?
your take can only come from someone whose knowledge of history is limited to the united states alone.
@@seanp3302 you are correct sir. Have you seen our school system. I have learned more with this new technology then i ever learned before it. I'm 51 and it was just 10 years ago i learned that Africa was three times bigger then America and that they had amazing cities and good education. Americans were told and shown the tribes that didnt even have water or that was starving living in hits. Most of us was too poor to travel and the ones that did never showed us the real Africa. This is why I cant stand all those rich black bastards cause they knew what Africa really looked liked and said nothing.
Here's another twist to this story. The story of John West Hunt and or Warner Hunt who had the original patent to confectioners sugar and became a Candy magnate only to devote his vast fortune to Mr. Divine. Oh, its a great story.
I can not find any information on John West Hunt.
I have to now start saying " All praise is due to Allah for the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Father Divine."
Please read up on him before you praise him
@@jazzyred3833 Devine was a cold mutha I’ve heard.
And the correct way to say it is: "Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior".
@@pennypay1 Amen
85 percent of our people are dumb, deaf and blind
Lots of jewels dropped in this video.
Who came first divine or daddy grace?
As a child I remember going to the hotel with someone who was affiliated with him (Ms. Love). Back in the day he use to have an Annex bldg at 17 and Oxford.
cool video
Pure insanity! 1800's!
interesting
Real deal ❤️🎉🔥
Untold truth ❤️👀👍🏻
I think a big part of how he was successful in the intervention department was because no one could have sex! Not even with their own spouse or sleep on the same floor much less the same room or bed. Men with men women with women with no intermingling where it really mattered to racists which is sex or procreating. Yes he did as one man marry and had a white wife and I’m guessing a black one I would hope but not his many followers. That’s an easier pill to swallow for outsiders in a Jim Crow era. I think if white and black followers were marrying up a storm and producing large interracial families with as big of a following as his at a time where law prohibits mingling of whites and blacks, I think there would have been such an uproar from the white community, a bounty would have been put out for him as whites would fear this is the man that is leading white inhalation by bringing whites and coloreds together to marry as he had and have families and threatening white American domination. Not doing that and it being hard to decipher exactly how he finds all of this and his huge following I think is partly why he wasn’t just assassinated by some angry white person or group.
How did they expect the movement to survive if they don't procreate?
Controlling OTHERS is NOT brilliant!! That's out of the will of GOD...
The Peace Mission is a voluntary cooperative and teaches that "Where coercion begins the work of God that moment ends." Our response to FATHER DIVINE has been born of love and nothing else. Authoritarian religion is always false religion. Everything the Peace Mission has owned collectively is a result of members pooling their resources, and all properties have been held in common--there were over 150 names on the deed for the Divine Lorraine Hotel, for example. The Peace Mission neither requests nor accepts donations and will return any money sent, believing that God never has to beg, borrow or steal and that churches that do request donations are never the authentic Work of God.
All blasphemous,,,,a dangerous thing that was done and I thank God this delusion is no longer there
@@DivineJubilee devils
It was still cult like itself. He controlled their free will. Didn't allow them to date or even have their own families. So when these older ones die out now there is no one left to keep the movement growing. Not a very smart concept. Plus, it was said,while he didn't allow them to interact,he did. All the women called him,their husband.Poor Mother Divine, I wouldn't to have wanted to be in her shoes,no matter how strong I was. He used his people's money, to finance his ventures so, nothing was free.Not even their free will.And he even took that.
I wonder if he had Quaker affiliations
Go to hell
False he did something that is now widely acceptable. He used religion to bring people together. Something no other religion has done. They had to destroy him and make up lies about him to take away what he accomplished. A black man had millions of people working together from multiple countries in a time where blacks didnt have that type of voice. All these new and old televangelist today is just copying his movement.
The greatest
Major “Jealous” Divine??? 🤔
Codycole80 I know right!
God calls himself jealous in the bible.
Codycole80 Right and that was his “chosen” name not birth name. Really telling...
Favoring Integration during Jim Crow era and advocating celibacy makes him Jealous in what way? What are you chasing after? The fact that he was financially stable and able to build His nation???
He is a Jealous God
is this the guy who cursed a judge?
The Great Depression
For salvation, we just need to follow the way they did it in Acts? They were baptized in water for the removal of sins and filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38!
Here's why! The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. If we are to follow him, we must do the same thing. Death= repentance, Burial = baptism, and resurrection = being filled and rising again from the dead and walking in the newness of life. That's what Acts 2:38 is.
We must obey the gospel, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ...
Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. St John 3:3-5, EXCEPT a man, be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD.
We can't come up with our own gospel. Galatians 1:8-9, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Don't be cursed.
One way for all people. Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans. Our salvation has to match up with the scriptures and no scriptures on the subject can be taken away.
Eternity is TOOO long to be WRONG! st, John 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The gospels show what Christ has done on the cross for us. The book of Acts shows us the beginning of Christ's Church and how to enter the Church, obeying Acts 2:38. The letters were written to the Church to show us how to behave now that we are born again into the Church.
It's better to walk alone than to walk with a crowd going in the wrong direction.
Are we supposed to follow the teachings of the apostles? Acts 2:42, And they continued steadfastly in the apostle's doctrines. Ephesians 2:20, We are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.
Don't get Titus 3:5 mixed up with James 2:14-26, about WORKS. One is a WORK of your OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS OR GOOD DEEDS and the other is a WORK OF FAITH or OBEDIENCE TO GOD. Titus 1:16, They profess that they know God; but in WORKS they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. God bless you
Masheena Masheena Mashah! Say it from the mountain top! Masheena! Mashah....
Interesting observance the following dwindled because they had to remain celibate.
During the 1800s this man owned much of Harlem. If there is anything to be praised, it's that. Of course he left his wealth to a white and was deluded about race. But amazing that he had ownership during this time. @4:20 Wife doesnt seem too bright.
What piqued my interest in looking on UA-cam before the Divine I was watching hoodlum and there was a sign saying Father Divine is God, because remember it was in the 1930s interesting huh.
Was his wives white?
Father Devine, Elijah Muhammad, and C.M. Bey were in the Moorish Adept chambers and all went separate ways.
No they weren't stop misleading the ppl
Calling him self God is Questionable. Which is the worse thing a human can do of course. The two wives questionable. But besides that it doesn’t seem like he did any thing wrong. Who is this man. I’m very curious. Are there any controversies ?
Following them We sent Our (other) Messengers, and We sent following in their footsteps, (Prophet) Jesus, the son of Mary and gave him the Gospel, and put tenderness and mercy in the hearts of his followers. As for monasticism, they invented it thereby seeking the pleasure of Allah. We did not write it for them, and they did not observe it as it should be observed. We gave to those of them who believed their wage, but many of them are impious. (27)
So what characteristics made the FBI consider them a cult?
He is NOT GOD!...I Read about him!
We all are..
He was hardly a rabble rousers. Also, he was born in Maryland. He also fed the people -- Black and white.
Mother Devine lived a fool and deid a fool.
It doesn't help your case any when you call someone a fool but can't even spell third-grade words.
mrtheoneandonly 83 that 🙁so sad that you would talk that way about” SWEET ANGEL Mother Divine”
Here is something about Father Divine and Cult leader Jim Jones:ua-cam.com/video/c-i7nViXD3o/v-deo.html
If it wasn't for the celibacy thing , his church would of continue to grow ,even world wide .
Worship the Lord GOD Almighty and not some slickster. This man knew his people well, therefore to "get over" on them was no problem. Some Blacks are always looking for somebody to lead them out of the wilderness so to speak. When a charismatic (to them) man comes along, they become easy prey to his schemes. Where did he derive funds to feed that many people? From his businesses of course. Some of our people, especially those who possess the dependency syndrome, fall victim to con men time after time. We never seem to grow up. Sad.
Amen
This is still going on today with some of these so called spiritual preachers.
What’s up with Philadelphia and God ?
A brilliant, brilliant, brilliant MIND.
Amazing how a black man born in the 1800s would have this much control.Never heard of this dude.
World Awakening Universal Church of Christ please explain...what is so brilliant?
It would be a waste of time lady. You already have a "set" mind. I'm surprised I even wasted this much time responding to this comment. As it is written the things of SPIRIT are foolishness to the unenlightened or those that are not awake. Only GOD'S SPIRIT could give you a pure revelation. As it is said for those who believe no explanation is needed, and for those who don't, no explanation will ever do. Pray for your answer as for me I have plenty of work here in The Philippines to get back to.
#opentheireyesFather
World Awakening Universal Church of Christ Blah...blah...blah. I'm sure the people you minister to are just who you said they are.
Con men always appear brilliant to the gullible, uninformed and ignorant. "My people PERISH for lack of knowledge" says Scripture. Heed it. Man can be slick; GOD is always truthful. Which one should we believe and trust?
These are the masons and Easton stars
ITS SO SAD PEOPLE ARE SO EASILY FOOLED BY FALSE CHRIST
This man gave people hope dignity food and faith. Why bash his name because he had a few weird ideas? Most of his ideas were very honorable.
His followers considered him to be God reincarnated; yo don't think that's wrong?
He took their money and homes he was a con artist.
Good point!!!
Great question, I think it's Jealousy
Give me a break
Looking for an earthly answer is not what you want to do . There is a lot of confusion here and in the comment section . We will not be here on earth so earthly things are not the answer .... We will eventually all die so look for the Holy Spirit . There is only one way to God that is through Christ Jesus.
No not religion
No not politics
No not an occult
Fallow Christ ways and receive Him as your personal savior ,not necessarily as the masses do, just you internally you .
Walk righteous in your ways we are not perfect but try . Have faith and believe .
Well God Bless yaw journey well . Don't be afraid of all of this craziness ...
God will lay the truth in your Heart Mind and Spirit . If you think Im lying ignore me ..... But if you think Im telling the truth consider and try ... If it is not for you at least you tried to change for the better .
Spiritual aka spirit ritual aka breath ceremony is the union of body and breath aka yoga. There's no afterlife for those that have not proved themselves worthy of benefitting the physical realm on earth.
These types of preacher's don't use the bible they go off how people feel and work on that
If you want to follow someone follow Jesus.
Yakub
Cultist
Trust the Lord. The only expert on Scripture is the Christ. 501c3 Religion is a business. Bible and verse>> Psalms 118:8-9 KJV 🙏
Con artist.
demon
Charisma...lol...been screwing people over for millennia🤦🏾♂️
Except his followers all prospered. The same cannot be said for the people that follow US presidents.
@@mudejartrainingnaturalscie6938 Well...if you're content to follow....follow along or are you waiting for Superman? (We the Sheeple)
One of many false prophets.
No prophet that benefits a people is false.
How the hell you marry a white woman back then??
Good question. Very good bc somebody or people put Divine on the stage to rob the poor.
Obey god's law rather than man's.