@Shocka Zoolander I got love for you, I hope you don't take what I say badly, i just think you have a point and could get it out to the point but that's just me G. keep going for your goal and we can always talk about things I don't mind. and I wanna say again you have good points, try to not dilute things so much, you have the power to make the change. Believe, love and Happiness always :)
I'm a 66 YO Black man. My grandfather was a devoted follower of Father Devine. I visited Father Devine's beautiful estate several times with my grandfather as a young child. I carried a picture of Father and Mother Devine in my wallet through out my early 20's. My grandfather never explained to me who and what Father Devine represented. However, my grandfather was such a strong fixture in my life that I accepted his beliefs, no questions ask. My grandfather lived to be in his late 90's. He was an intelligent black man who headed a loving and successful family.
I just asked my Grandmom who will be 90 in December if she remembers this ... She told me the ate dinner at his restaurant for 15 cent and at his barber shops the hair cuts were 10 center . She told me that she learned how to sew at one of his programs
Isn’t it a tragedy that when someone comes up with a good idea, like peace, and integration, it always gets perverted into a crazy cult? If only there would be a group that does all the good things, but doesn’t demand crazy things from the members and doesn’t become corrupt.
@@gloriadeyemi you just answered your own question. People know virtually nothing about this father divine and yet the biggest irony is Jim Jones himself was an early admirer and follow her of his philosophy until he appropriated for his own devilish purposes. People forgot about father Divine but yet people remember the notorious Jim Jones
I love how quiet and straight to the detail your video is. No inconsiderate music in the background or dramatic animated expressions. This allows a wider audience to be able to stand your video.
You vibe like myself. I hate animations or video memes showing all sorts of people except the person the video is actually about. Background music too can be annoyingly distracting.
I'm watching this and my mother face called me rite now and I asked if she heard of him and she's telling me exactly what is being said by the young lady, interesting. My momma actually ate there all the time!!!! She didn't join, she actually gave him much credit for helping others and encouraging them to do the same. It's interesting how he knew my great grandfather and they talked all the time!!!! I probably would have never known unless I wouldn't have come across this interesting video.
Now a man can't succeed in starting such a movement because they would send a woman to seduce the man and create scandals about the encounter, whether he is married or not.
I grew up in Philadelphia and when I was a young child my mom took me to one of his restaurants and the food and atmosphere was absolutely wonderful. My mom said they called him Daddy Divine.
Me too.I am 68yrs old.born and raised in West Philly.One Easter,my father and mother took me,and my 2 younger brothers to see the Ten Commandments downtown,followed by Easter dinner at father Devine’s restaurant.Modesty was a must,and there was to be no wasting of food.The food was great.
My family is deeply rooted in the Peace Mission. Father Divine bought my great grandparents a mansion in Newark back in the day. I've been to many banquets.
i really need everyone black to spread this, teach your kids.. it's no accident he's omitted from history texts. and if we let it, the history will be erased.. i can only imagine how many other things haven't been told to us
I have so much admiration for you Maye. Strong, intelligent, incredibly talented. Girl can ACT, can WRITE, can PAINT. It's just too much. You are phenomenal and I am here for it!!!!
Maye I heard something about another preacher similar to Father Divine... I haven't looked him up but heard of him, the name is Sweet Daddy he was also around the time frame of Father Divine...
Celibacy is the ultimate form of empowerment. When you cut off your sexual desire's, it empowers you to control every aspect of your life. Smoking, drinking, toxic people. It's not about sexual, deprivation. It's the beginning to finding God, yourself, and becoming your bestfriend.🙏🏾🕊
That can’t be true I’m a big believer in God I don’t think he would have made sex just as important as eating if he didn’t want us to do it it’s a basic human need also nowhere in the Bible does it say sex is wrong just sexual immorality
I'm from Newark,NJ and his hotel still stand. It's a historic building and was remodeled. It also been renamed. All the elders still call it Father Divine Hotel. The city still rent to the poor. My mom talked about him all the time.
I truly believe he was deceived & he believed every word he was speaking. I can remember my mom & dad laughing at the things he said because his statements were so outrageous! On the 1 hand he claimed to follow the Bible; on the other hand he would totally go against the Bible. Many of his followers were loyal to him because he fed, clothed, employed them, etc. So I wonder if his good deeds were just to keep people tied to him, rather than pure benevolence.
@@christinan6450 You are so WRONG you don't even know how wrong you are. You didn't even know him! Just running off at your mouth about what you DO NOT KNOW. GOD GO LEARN SOMETHING!
YES. I’ve had that thought too (my Dad tried to raise me into one of the more sketchy ‘Christian, but our church has a Very-Special-Leader’ churches). [It made me suspicious of all people in charge of anything.] I wonder if Jim Jones started out altruistically and then became drunk on power and became a megalomaniac tyrant. He was an unusual character at the start, though (JJ was). Somebody [perhaps Maye Muses] should do a comparative analysis of Father Divine, Jones, Joseph Smith, and a couple more and narrow down exactly where charlatan-ism enters. And yah, I bet some cult-leaders DO start out on day 1 with that ‘I wanna be the special-guy-in-charge’ issue 🤔
Every tree is known by the fruit it bear.. A lemon tree cannot grow apples and a plum tree can't grow oranges. Neither can a good tree bring forth evil fruit and a evil tree can't bring forth good fruit... Just because a person gives doesn't mean that they are doing it with the good intentions
I live in Philadelphia and have had many of delicious meals from his restaurants. However, he used those people. They had to give him all of their money, change their name, and do exactly what he said. Abstinence with married people is crazy as hell. I know a previous member of his cult and the only persons that profited was Father and Mother. He controlled their minds. They actually believed that he was God and that he would arise like Jesus. Damn shame that people are so vulnerable.
She's supposed to control your damn mind just like he did what the hell y'all talking about he control their mind what happened to common Sense mother whip and the way y'all follow Donald Trump I don't know seems like the same animal to me
@@ivanawilliams279 You Talking Nonsense, Just foolish of you say something silly. go learn about Black American History. This can't not be compare to slavery. Just silly
This is my first time hearing of this cult but as for Jim jones…He took away two aunts I never got the chance to meet,I have no words for him but as for others I hope they don’t get pulled into these types of things anymore.Also this was well put together I like your content❤
I'm born & raised in North Philly. I also read about this as a kid and my parents told me about this organization. They also had a restaurant that feed a ton of people at the lowest prices. There so much more to this. Thanks for bringing this up.
He had the best store in my neighborhood growing up in the 70's it was called PEACE they sold everything, from candy, toys , sewing patterns, household items.
Buddha had a son before he became a monk, so after Buddha became successful in building his religious movement, his son wanted to join him, but Buddha's father was heartbroken due to his grandson leaving him. So Buddha promised to make a rule for children joining his monasticism, parents have to give consent, and if parents refused they'd have to wait until they reach adulthood. This is to prevent break up of families.
My Mom (who is actually 100 and a 1/2 yrs old) spoke about what a movement it was and how the pentecostals hated him for the lack of humility...thanks for this!
I love your presentations style and dry sense of humor! I just discovered your channel with this video, and look forward to exploring the eclectic and thought-provoking content!
His ministry fed my mom in Harlem back in the 30's and an old Jewish friend said Father Devine retrieved his stolen truck filled of watermelon. I respect his efforts.
I did some research on Jim Jones and always heard him referring to father Devine. I now know exactly who he was referencing. Thanks for the enlightenment
This is the one of the best series and presentation I have ever seen! Your humor is well appreciated and awesome in your delivery and profound knowledge dissemination ❤️🌹
Maye I found your presentation both informative and humorous. I am a child of parents who once were a "living the life" and decided to live a more conventional life (that's why I am here). I had aunts, uncles and I believe a grandparent who was part of the "peace mission". I recall attending one or two meetings at PineBrook, NJ where there was sumptuous meals; the motto "each all you want but eat all you take". My aunt, my mothers sister passed a way after leaving the peace mission and I became the executor of her estate; a year after she passed I received a call from the peace mission in Philadelphia stating they were selling a hotel and my aunts name was on the deed and as such they were sending me her share of the proceeds. I agree with you presentation no one is perfect and if father Devine or Jesus came back now; people would probably kill them! Just look at where we are now; they were going to lynch Mike Pence. I keep and eye out for other information you choose to share. You somewhat cleared up some curiosity I have had for year about my parents in the peace mission. Be well and thanks.
Excellent presentation. I knew of Father Divine, but only the negatives. I didn't know Father Divine was influenced by New Thought. There were many good things in his cult. I subscribed to you channel because the video was so well researched.
I really loved this video!!! I learnt so much, especially since I’ve never heard of father divine in my life (which is surprising because I relish learning about historical figures)- I am so happy I found you 🤗
This is so interesting, my grandma said a few days ago that they would go to the Divine Lorraine Hotel in Philadelphia and hear him “preach” she has Alzheimer’s but when I mentioned that they turned the hotel into apartments she remembered him!
I hope this helps. I worked with Alzheimer’s patients and they may not remember you but they remember their youth. If you want to learn about their youth and how life was for them, they can tell great stories. Appreciate these times even if they have no idea of you are. I enjoyed working with these people. It was not easy but I was young and move quickly when needed. I hope this helps you.
@@Fee-Fee thank you, my grandmother has full moments of lucidity and has a better long term memory than short term, she knows all of us and has a lot of stories lol I wasn’t surprised that she started talking about going to The Divine Lorraine I was more surprised that it popped up for me to watch this afterwards.
Oh my goodness! I grew up in Philly and never knew the history behind that hotel. It was a very prominent structure on Broad Street! Thanks so much for making this connection.
That building was beautiful, the sign was still on top of the dilapidated for 30+ years. I had always been fascinated about what things used to be or looked like, that building always seemed mysterious to me, always wondered who Lorraine was lol. Now it’s luxury apartments that most regular folk can’t afford to live it. Has a middle court yard with balconies, beautiful original architecture.
I first became fascinated with Cult History back in high school when I took Psychology 1 and Jim Jones was the 1st cult we were taught about. How ironic the 1st video I see of yours has a little segment about him 🤯. I’m Here to stay now 😂
Are you fascinated by cult history or just Jim Jones? When it comes to any kind of leader Jim Jones is bottom of the barrel. in fact Jones was no leader he just thought he was.
You did a great job on this and it reflects in your views. I am now a subscriber and look forward to more of your work. I never knew who Father Divine was until now and you're the one who taught me. If only school teachers taught like this, people would be more interested in history 😆. Keep up the good work
He was before my time but when I was growing up, I remember the elders talking about him. His influence still exists today but we just don't know it's from him.
There was Daddy Grace ( Graciella) and Father Divine at the same period. Rastafarian movement was started about the same time by a man named (Howell) an associate of Garvy. There are still followers to this day of most of these moments.
My mother was just telling me how my grandfather use to take my mother and uncle to Dive Lorraine Hotel in Philadelphia to listen to Father Divine preach and eat dinner with him. She said it was an awesome experience to see so many black folks gather for a good cause💪🏾 My mother is 74 years old
It’s crazy I found this video. I was just learning about him from my grandpa. My grandpa said meeting father Devine was the first time his father had a conversation with a white person. For all the things father Devine did and was accused of. What he was preaching was absolute gold.
Thanks for the information. You spoke so passionately of Father Divine. I earned my Ph.D. in Religion at Temple University in 2003. While there, I learned that Father Divine funded a scholarship there for poor students. I started going to his building off Broad and Giraud. It was a wonderful experience. His building is now an apartment condo complex. Great research Douglas E. Thomas, PhD
I am happy to read your comment. When I moved to Huntington Valley I met Mother Divine and my family and I spent Fourth of July with the “family”. So much history of the Divine Lorraine, Langston Hughes, $1.50 lunches etc... Mr. Baker walked without fear out of the south and into “his calling”
Father Divine had a big presence in Philly. Restaurants and hotels. there was a hotel and restaurant on the Penn campus and a church on my grandparents block on 41st & Westminster that was open into the early 80s. FYI all religions are ideology and cults. Remember the Romans called Christianity the Christian Cult?
I'm from west philly. I lived around the corner from father devine's church, inside of that church, they served breakfast, lunch & dinner. the food was top of the line food, that they never charged a set price. you could give whatever you had. father devine also owned a whole block, where all women lived, on westminister ave. all of the women who lived in those house were all red bones ( very light skinned black women) father devine owned a hotel on broad street in philly, that hotel had 10-5 floors on hotel rooms, father devine had notaries all over philly, & all manner o other businesses Father Devine was that dude.
Good info. I am 66 and grew up in North Carolina hearing stories about Father Divine, Daddy Grace, and Elijah Muhammad, who all emerged around the same time and as a result of the Great Migration from the rural South to the urban North. Thank you for doing this research and sharing. Will return to your channel often.
Heard about Father Devine and Daddy Grace from my 86 ur old grandmother. Already knew about Elijah Muhammad. It wasn’t until I started tracing my nationality that I found out all of those mentioned followed Noble Drew Ali.
Yes I’m from nc too and I graduated from NC A&T and I used to have to walk past his daddy grace church and I would hear stories but I was too afraid to go in the church
My grandma was a follower of Father Divine. All I can say is what she taught me from what she learned from him, YES! Thoughts create things and the Law of Attraction/The Secret/ The Law of Assumption is REAL. Because of her teaching me what she learned during that New Thought Movement I have been able to CREATE. It is all in the Bible, if you know how to read it. We are GOD!
What do you say to the idea that the Law of Attraction can only truly work for privileged ppl (ppl who aren't poor, ppl who are mostly white, etc.)? I've seen many discuss how the barriers put in place as part of classism and racism really prevent the Law of Attraction from working on a big scale for many, many ppl
My Mom talks about Father Divine every time we pass by the Divine Lorraine Hotel. She is usually very vague as it was before her time so I had to hop on this vid to hear the whole story. I’m going to share this with her! Thank you!
I am writing about him, in a book, he was indeed an inspiration for King, Daddy Grace, Malcolm X, and was indeed the most important pastor in America, between Garvey and King. Garveyites, in Harlem and Oakland, CA., followed Divine after Garvey's arrest and deportation. Father Divine lived next to FDR and owned over200 houses where followers lived on Booker T. Washington philosophy. Only Booker T. Was held higher than Divine, to Divine. Divine held 35 million, during the Great Depression. Jim Jones, a white man, trying to engage in a black cultural form, collapsed under its pressure, trying to lead a black movement, as a white man. Jonestown was the result. Thanks Maye, for bringing Father Divine to peoples' awareness. He still has all his original property in Sayville, LI and Woodmont, in PA. Also, "you have to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative" is based on a Father Divine sermon.
I'm 70 and I remember Father Divine and Sweet Daddy Grace. Glad you shared your research. It's important that young people talk to their elders so they don't have to assume we never heard of these people.
OMG!!! I only ever saw you on some spelling podcast that my husband watches. I was surprised to find you here educating us on the cult life. I love it❤️! Subscribed and binging ASAP! 🙌
I’m a 62 year old African American woman who grew up in North Philadelphia where Father Divine had a mansion on 16th & Oxford. It’s still there. I loved when my mom took us to the Divine Lorraine Hotel to visit the restaurant downstairs on the intersections of Ridge Ave, Fairmont Av and North Broad Street!
1:08 The church should never have been segregated in the 1st place Yet jews and Greeks had a hard time in the bible..even IF LUKE was greek and Timothy, half greek
This is my 1st time discovering you and I must say I’m intrigued! Absolutely love this peace and your articulation! You are #awesome with that being said I’m subscribing and will share your platform with others. I look forward to discovering and viewing more of your material! Godspeed
I grew up with Father Divine's followers. My grandmother and my aunt lived in one of his hotels. My grandmother became friends with him and his followers. I spent a lot of time at his hotel in Newark, N. J. It was a very interesting experience and helped shape who I am today.
@@bilderberg_news2644 Yes. A lot of time. My grandmother lived there for a short time and my aunt lived there for years. I ate at the banquets and in the diner. I spent a lot of time in the dressmaking shop as those ladies were my grandmother's friends. She helped them with work that they had to complete.
When I was young in the sixties I heard my parents talk of this father Divine and of the Sunday meals he was served after service at his church somewhere down my forty-third street round Wyalusing or somewhere down in Philadelphia but that's all I ever heard about it thank you for being so informative on this subject of Father Divine as I never knew he was into the Civil Rights Movement there was nothing ever written about him that I've enabled spine until your podcast so thank you very much
@ Eleanor Turner, Yasssss Queen! My family ate there many Sundays after church. Great affordable food. I believe it was by donation. Families ate and paid what they they could afford. Eventually that changed because people would eat and pay $1/$2 dollars I wish they were still there. Many need those meals. Philadelphia has a terrible homeless population nowadays.
I grew up in Philly and remember as a very young child walking with my grandmother there. They had THEE BEST food !! I can still remember how clean and beautiful it was…white table cloths and silverware..and the most lovely smell of yeast rolls and just delicious food😋..All the “Ladies” wore long flowey white dresses…I said to my grandmother “Is this heaven, are they angels” 😭😭of course as a child I wouldn’t have known about his civil rights work so this was enlightening.
It's at 41st & Westminster. My grandparents block and where I grew up and lived later as an adult after moving back from Jersey and DC. I wasn't born until 1971 and it was open until the early 80's. My older family members have more vivid memories than me. the building was actually a terminal for the Pennsylvania Railroad before 30th Street station was built. Now it's a preschool and kindergarten for Belmont Charter. My youngest daughter attended preschool and kindergarten there.
I remember learning a little bit about Father Divine in a religion class I took in college. I remember my professor saying he had a big impact at the time but I didn't realize it was as big as it was. Also I didn't know there was video of him. That was interesting to see.
Thanks for your channel and your bringing forth facts on a cult leader. I'd heard about Father Divine being a man whom was supposed to be religious but had gotten people to give him lots of money. I appreciate hearing & watching someone who does their research to prove what they speak on
Just found your channel. I love your content, and even more your delivery. Your humor is awesome. The relationship between Father Divine and Jim Jones is fascinating. They both demonstrate the concept that power corrupts.
First time I heard of Father Divine was in the mid 1990 I was a p public Health Nurse and had to visit one of his followers in a building he had on Central Av. Newark NJ. At first I though it was an apartment building but when the old Male answered the door. I asked to see Me. Love and he answered in a strange voice. Which Love ? We have Peaceful Love , Wonderful Love etc. As soon I gained entry in was shown pictures of Mother and Father which was every where and in every bedroom. There was a large dining area with a place setting for "Father and Mother " who was already dead years ago. A very strange place.
My grandfather used to talk at length about Father Divine and said mostly good thing about him. Thanks for this video, I hope he’s not lost to history.
If he wasn't the first mega church, he had the first mega church, that didn't collect funds from his followers. That in itself is a miracle. (to my knowledge)
I'm not sure what he did when he was alive but I remember my family giving money every time they visited. I can't recall them asking for it but then again I was a child in my own world more consumed with the beautiful land and good food lol.
Yes he did they said.. and he received all the funds they had... And some wanted their money back and even took him to court and he fleed New York to avoid it
Thanks Maye! In the late '60s and early '70s My dad used to occasionally take our family to dinner at the Divine Temple on Sundays. It was on broad Street in Philadelphia, although we were not members. It was good food at a reasonable price. 🌞
Thank you Maye for bringing this part of black church history. I heard about Father Divine and Daddy Grace and even Reverend Ike as a kid but did not know the much about his place in civil rights and his own version of "God". I am proud to subscribe to your muses, VERY well done!!!
Dr. Maye, you are a brilliant teacher. You make history come alive. I had read a little about Fr. Divine but you brought his Past life out of obscurity. Thanks for sharing!
I remember when I was a little girl growing up and in Philadelphia my dad used to take us every Sunday to father Devine to eat and even back then the food was so good and you just gave a donation. Best homemade yeast rolls. I Remember all the older women wearing all white as they served us
I vaguely remember my granddad talking about him. He (my granddad) died this January, in his 90s so I’m def interested to hear more about this father divine person and see if it jogs any memories from my grandads stories
Wow sis! You are an amazing Storyteller. Also, I in Philly and had no idea that the hotel divine had anything to do with him. Total crickets. You are the truth love!😍💅🏾
Maye, I must say that I LOVE ❤️ your prsentation style as much as I love your content. My degree is in Political Science, but of course history is and always was paramount in my studies. I particularly enjoy the history of religious and spiritual movements, especially those involving African Americans. I fully intend to resurrect my social media presence and start actively you-tubing again. Hopefully one day we can work together and assist one another in our work. On a closing note, I totally agree with you on the Neville Goddard point!
He was also with the Moorish temple with Timothy drew as well. The common denominator was that they all came through Masonry and the Moorish temple because Elijah Poole Bey/Muhammad was also with the Moorish Temple and a Mason.
@@1love847 Reverend Ike was a big pastor, now he has a history that is known amongst black people. I'm 40 and I remember seeing him on TV and heading him on the radio.
Mind Blowing!! I have NEVER heard of this man, this is proof that they only teach and show you what they want you to absorb, bless you Maye for dropping this jewel, I'm subscribing RIGHT NOW.
Wow, i just came across this page, and at 72 yso i recall my great aunt talking about Father Divine. Regardless of anyone's personal opinion Im impressed with this young lady expanding her black history. Im subscribing to her channel for other discussions. Most of these Channels are boring and irrelevant. Proud of you young lady ☺
I was just researching this man’s buildings that have been remodeled and resold over the years in Philadelphia. His full self given name was Father Major Jealous Devine. Just the name is a red flag.
@Lavender Eyes Tarot LLC lolll girl he say they “major jealous” of him 😂 he really did know what he was doing lol. I don’t think he was celibate honestly.
This was expertly explained. I was born in the late 90's, so this was utterly unknown to me. What a fascinating collections of teachings! I can hardly imagine what people's first impression of him was- especially at that time!
That’s crazy my grandmother told me about a church her and her friends egged as little girls…the man of the church was called by the name “Daddy Grace”….she said when she walked into the church people was fanning Daddy Grace with huge palm trees….and they would sing “What’s the matter with Daddy, he’s alright” smh wild what kind of church dat!
Women call they boyfriends daddy and they probably don't do as much as this man did. He wasn't taking money from h his followers he was literally helping them, so if they wanna call him daddy fuck it
I was born 1949. I remember when I was a child between the ages of 6 through around 11 yrs old watching his house in Washington, DC on Logan Circle, NW. I remember the grand parades his sect put on yearly. Yes he and his followers were a mystery to everyone. Wow, thanks for a childhood memory.👌🏾
I’m honestly also flabbergasted that I’ve never heard of this because I try to educate myself on both black history and cult history😟 So glad your video popped up on my recommended!
I remember him , I lived in Ct , and it was news when he visited his Churches in New Haven and Bridgeport , he was on the news . My older brother explained him as a religious leader. Who was financially motivated looking back he pretty much exploited Poor black people.
I live in bridgeport. Its crazy how i caught this comment. I guess im too young, because i never heard of him, what was the name of his churches? Which streets was it on?
Remember now, this same man, broke up families, and didn't allow, them to keep their own children. But, the crazy thing is,they believed in celibacy.So, if that be the case, it means, there were no kids to grow up,and keep the movement alive so, it died as the last followers died out. Not a smart move.
Once again you teach me something new Maye, Father Divine sounded like Creflo with the suits and the plane lol let me stop before someone gets offended but let me look up Nevel
I’m from Philadelphia. The Divine Lorraine Hotel was one of the most beautiful edifices on broad street. A cult though it was. I heard they would leave a plate set for father divine years beyond his death
False prophets will have people doing the dumbest shit ain't nothing holy bout that shit at all no one should be worshipped like that let alone a mortal man
I am so happy that you mentioned Father Divine. I went to college on Philadelphia in the late 80’s and was immediately introduced to him. His buildings were all over the Delaware Valley. As a matter of fact, when I got married we bought a historic home on the same block as his convent.
I remember the old timers talking about buying dinners for $1.75 at his hotel in Philadelphia as long as you came dressed up and listened to his speech.
Much respect good research Young lady can't wait to see what you will do next father Divine feed his people and his hotel Loraine grace Divine still stands today and he always had the cleanest white dinner table that could give Ruth Chris a run for their money even today immaculate dinner arrangements without question
I did a play called, “In White America” and had an opportunity to interview his wife fore material in Philly. She still referred to him as a “g”. This was back in 2003/2004.
He had hotels in Philly in the early 2000’s at the time I was a broke traveler just out of college and needed the most affordable place in town. The rooms were had floors separated by sex and no smoking or drinking allowed. Other than that it was a great stay like being a hostel. I was curious about the history and what I discovered was kinda shocking but I also know history of black people is often distorted by oppressors.
1. Charismatic leader 2. Doctrine 3. Quality of the followers 4. Brainwashing 5. Practices and rituals Four goat heads out of five. Got it, thanks Maye Muses This was fun and incredibly educational.
Jim Jones, had a meeting with him, and Father Divine schooled him on how to make his followers worship him. Trust Jesus, and keep it moving. Many more will come, the Bible says so.
Im just loving how these young youtubers getting on here and educating the world. What a positive way to do social media
hopefully they speak the truth and not made up history like most on SM
@Shocka Zoolander I got love for you, I hope you don't take what I say badly, i just think you have a point and could get it out to the point but that's just me G. keep going for your goal and we can always talk about things I don't mind. and I wanna say again you have good points, try to not dilute things so much, you have the power to make the change. Believe, love and Happiness always :)
@Shocka Zoolander awoman sister, peace and love :)
As long as they do their research well
Is that right? How old are you?
I'm a 66 YO Black man. My grandfather was a devoted follower of Father Devine. I visited Father Devine's beautiful estate several times with my grandfather as a young child. I carried a picture of Father and Mother Devine in my wallet through out my early 20's. My grandfather never explained to me who and what Father Devine represented. However, my grandfather was such a strong fixture in my life that I accepted his beliefs, no questions ask. My grandfather lived to be in his late 90's. He was an intelligent black man who headed a loving and successful family.
@@jackb1969 … Father Devine promoted White Supremacy
How does one RENOUNCE RACE… SCHIZOPHRENIA !…. That’s how.
@@jackb1969 they don't know the difference
@@jackb1969 I was going to say the same thing how was he a follower if he didn't follow all of his teachings like abstinence?😂
@@toniward2182 I disagree. Race is actually a social construct. It didn’t always exist and it can be renounced but we’re all too brainwashed.
I just asked my Grandmom who will be 90 in December if she remembers this ... She told me the ate dinner at his restaurant for 15 cent and at his barber shops the hair cuts were 10 center . She told me that she learned how to sew at one of his programs
Isn’t it a tragedy that when someone comes up with a good idea, like peace, and integration, it always gets perverted into a crazy cult? If only there would be a group that does all the good things, but doesn’t demand crazy things from the members and doesn’t become corrupt.
Human beings are evil in their essence
I don't understand it either...
I blame the fact that so many who claim to be about “peace” and “Justice” always end up being crooks… look up Jim Jones for reference
If he was white, we would have known about him and studied him
@@gloriadeyemi you just answered your own question.
People know virtually nothing about this father divine and yet the biggest irony is Jim Jones himself was an early admirer and follow her of his philosophy until he appropriated for his own devilish purposes.
People forgot about father Divine but yet people remember the notorious Jim Jones
I have been watching cult documentaries for years and have never even heard of this man! Thank you for bringing this story to the world!
ua-cam.com/video/ncUfvuUlvW0/v-deo.html this is one of his speeches if you are curious
SERIOUSLY... Wow. You ever seen, Car Wash ? this is who Richard Pryor character was based off of
Same here
I love how quiet and straight to the detail your video is. No inconsiderate music in the background or dramatic animated expressions. This allows a wider audience to be able to stand your video.
100 agree! Well said
You vibe like myself. I hate animations or video memes showing all sorts of people except the person the video is actually about. Background music too can be annoyingly distracting.
What a waste of UA-cam airtime blah blah blah a nothingburger
Yes I agree 💯
And YES you’re RIGHT 👏👏👏RAW🇩🇪💪💪💪👌Lovely,educative Exposé👏👏👏❤️
I'm watching this and my mother face called me rite now and I asked if she heard of him and she's telling me exactly what is being said by the young lady, interesting. My momma actually ate there all the time!!!! She didn't join, she actually gave him much credit for helping others and encouraging them to do the same. It's interesting how he knew my great grandfather and they talked all the time!!!! I probably would have never known unless I wouldn't have come across this interesting video.
Wow! Whats the odds?👍🏾👍🏾
I'm from Philly and they still have buildings here. My dad told me stories of how he ate there because they had meals that were extremely cheap.
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Now a man can't succeed in starting such a movement because they would send a woman to seduce the man and create scandals about the encounter, whether he is married or not.
I grew up in Philadelphia and when I was a young child my mom took me to one of his restaurants and the food and atmosphere was absolutely wonderful. My mom said they called him Daddy Divine.
Those are two different people….there’s Father Divine & Daddy Grace
Omg he still has a church here in Virginia and they still cook, they also still have his throne chair and everything.
I remember going to eat in S. Philly for a very small amount of money. . Then we would walk to S. Street
I remember eating there also when I was a child and my mom was broke
Me too.I am 68yrs old.born and raised in West Philly.One Easter,my father and mother took me,and my 2 younger brothers to see the Ten Commandments downtown,followed by Easter dinner at father Devine’s restaurant.Modesty was a must,and there was to be no wasting of food.The food was great.
My family is deeply rooted in the Peace Mission. Father Divine bought my great grandparents a mansion in Newark back in the day. I've been to many banquets.
What street
i really need everyone black to spread this, teach your kids.. it's no accident he's omitted from history texts. and if we let it, the history will be erased.. i can only imagine how many other things haven't been told to us
Yeah if it wasn’t for UA-cam, I would know this! And I’ve been following podcasts and UA-camrs with cult content for several years.
"Father Devine" was no Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King. So, don't drink that poisoned Kool-Aid.
99.9% of history is lost intentionally
You have to go to the library and read books and do research.
I have so much admiration for you Maye. Strong, intelligent, incredibly talented. Girl can ACT, can WRITE, can PAINT. It's just too much. You are phenomenal and I am here for it!!!!
Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy all my upcoming projects
@@MayeMuses Already hyped. :D :D :D
Maye I heard something about another preacher similar to Father Divine... I haven't looked him up but heard of him, the name is Sweet Daddy he was also around the time frame of Father Divine...
@@barrybrown611 sweet daddy grace ( The House of prayer for all people)
@@MayeMuses what is your Instagram
Langston Hughes wrote a character based on him in his book “the ways of white folks”
Was that "Rejuvenation Through Joy?"
many Renaissance era novels did
@@crystalspraggins270 yes ma’am it was!!!
@@kennethgivens8683 Thank you! I haven't read this book in years and just pulled it from the shelf. I remember loving it.
I have that book! I am going to pull it out.
Celibacy is the ultimate form of empowerment. When you cut off your sexual desire's, it empowers you to control every aspect of your life. Smoking, drinking, toxic people. It's not about sexual, deprivation. It's the beginning to finding God, yourself, and becoming your bestfriend.🙏🏾🕊
Any true path to God is a good thing
@@MayeMuses i live a Christian life. I've been celibate for 21 yrs. I'm 54. An important aspect i haven't conquered and that's fasting. Any advice?
@@lhu6971 do your research first.
You better say that!!❤️
That can’t be true I’m a big believer in God I don’t think he would have made sex just as important as eating if he didn’t want us to do it it’s a basic human need also nowhere in the Bible does it say sex is wrong just sexual immorality
I'm from Newark,NJ and his hotel still stand. It's a historic building and was remodeled. It also been renamed. All the elders still call it Father Divine Hotel. The city still rent to the poor. My mom talked about him all the time.
Do you mind telling me what is it called today I live in Newark Nj
God dwells in us doesn't mean we are God it just means he dwells in us. We have his anointing on us.
And that's only for those who actually have faith, most don't.
UA-cam algorithms are awesome! Glad your video popped up - it was great!
Ive often wondered if a cult leader set out to develop a cult following, or if they truly had good intentions that grew into something bad.
I truly believe he was deceived & he believed every word he was speaking. I can remember my mom & dad laughing at the things he said because his statements were so outrageous! On the 1 hand he claimed to follow the Bible; on the other hand he would totally go against the Bible. Many of his followers were loyal to him because he fed, clothed, employed them, etc. So I wonder if his good deeds were just to keep people tied to him, rather than pure benevolence.
@@christinan6450 You are so WRONG you don't even know how wrong you are. You didn't even know him! Just running off at your mouth about what you DO NOT KNOW. GOD GO LEARN SOMETHING!
They were planted by the devil.. Matthew 13:37-39
YES. I’ve had that thought too (my Dad tried to raise me into one of the more sketchy ‘Christian, but our church has a Very-Special-Leader’ churches). [It made me suspicious of all people in charge of anything.] I wonder if Jim Jones started out altruistically and then became drunk on power and became a megalomaniac tyrant. He was an unusual character at the start, though (JJ was). Somebody [perhaps Maye Muses] should do a comparative analysis of Father Divine, Jones, Joseph Smith, and a couple more and narrow down exactly where charlatan-ism enters. And yah, I bet some cult-leaders DO start out on day 1 with that ‘I wanna be the special-guy-in-charge’ issue 🤔
Every tree is known by the fruit it bear..
A lemon tree cannot grow apples and a plum tree can't grow oranges.
Neither can a good tree bring forth evil fruit and a evil tree can't bring forth good fruit... Just because a person gives doesn't mean that they are doing it with the good intentions
I live in Philadelphia and have had many of delicious meals from his restaurants. However, he used those people. They had to give him all of their money, change their name, and do exactly what he said. Abstinence with married people is crazy as hell. I know a previous member of his cult and the only persons that profited was Father and Mother. He controlled their minds. They actually believed that he was God and that he would arise like Jesus. Damn shame that people are so vulnerable.
She's supposed to control your damn mind just like he did what the hell y'all talking about he control their mind what happened to common Sense mother whip and the way y'all follow Donald Trump I don't know seems like the same animal to me
Aio,
Sounds kinda like The American Slave trade!!! That's the same exact thing except under duress.
@@ivanawilliams279 You Talking Nonsense, Just foolish of you say something silly. go learn about Black American History. This can't not be compare to slavery. Just silly
He got restaurants in phily? Where at
This is my first time hearing of this cult but as for Jim jones…He took away two aunts I never got the chance to meet,I have no words for him but as for others I hope they don’t get pulled into these types of things anymore.Also this was well put together I like your content❤
I have watch many times jim jones tragedy in from Philippines Godbless and always Pray for your aunt peace.and evryone who died and the children.
@@milimdestroyer9058 thank you so much,I hope you have a wonderful rest of your week
Most of the people in Jim Jones cult was with father divine before joining Jim Jones
He took away ?
@@terrancelittle3652 you can’t say certain words on UA-cam anymore
I'm born & raised in North Philly. I also read about this as a kid and my parents told me about this organization. They also had a restaurant that feed a ton of people at the lowest prices. There so much more to this. Thanks for bringing this up.
He had the best store in my neighborhood growing up in the 70's it was called PEACE they sold everything, from candy, toys , sewing patterns, household items.
Buddha had a son before he became a monk, so after Buddha became successful in building his religious movement, his son wanted to join him, but Buddha's father was heartbroken due to his grandson leaving him. So Buddha promised to make a rule for children joining his monasticism, parents have to give consent, and if parents refused they'd have to wait until they reach adulthood. This is to prevent break up of families.
Buddha was wise and selfless like this
@@MayeMuses are you a Buddhist I thought I saw you at a Memorial Service Thursday in Harlem
Thank you for sharing
ELIJAH MUHAMMAD same way... if 16 and under must have oarrnts consent to join
So they were nice antichrists.
My Mom (who is actually 100 and a 1/2 yrs old) spoke about what a movement it was and how the pentecostals hated him for the lack of humility...thanks for this!
Wow, what an amazing resource.
It's a pretty interesting and cool experience, for sure! Thanks, and keep posting! 😀
@@MayeMuses highly intelligent con artist.
Angela…. Lack of humility?! There is jealousy in the world. Isn’t it.
I never heard of him until now.
God Bless your Mom... I hope she still with you ❤️
Omg I was not expecting to sit through the entirety of this! Nicely presented and relatable! 🥰🥰 ty!
I love your presentations style and dry sense of humor! I just discovered your channel with this video, and look forward to exploring the eclectic and thought-provoking content!
Father Divine has been a taboo in our culture and in America. He was the first to do what ministries today has a matter of fact he was the blue print
His ministry fed my mom in Harlem back in the 30's and an old Jewish friend said Father Devine retrieved his stolen truck filled of watermelon. I respect his efforts.
I know of him because of the masons I've connected with in NYC. I'm born in the 80s.
@@aja1108 was he a Mason?
@@wavybump he probably belonged to the Prince Hall Masons. It was fairly new then and very prominent.
Kwamwe Nkrumah, the first president of Ghana was a starving student back in the 30's. He got free food from Father Devine's church.
Next interesting gentleman, share info on Sweet Daddy Grace.
I did some research on Jim Jones and always heard him referring to father Devine. I now know exactly who he was referencing. Thanks for the enlightenment
You're welcome. These things are interwoven
Thank you... For this information... You heard of 3GODS CULT 2022🤔
This is the one of the best series and presentation I have ever seen! Your humor is well appreciated and awesome in your delivery and profound knowledge dissemination ❤️🌹
Maye I found your presentation both informative and humorous. I am a child of parents who once were a "living the life" and decided to live a more conventional life (that's why I am here). I had aunts, uncles and I believe a grandparent who was part of the "peace mission". I recall attending one or two meetings at PineBrook, NJ where there was sumptuous meals; the motto "each all you want but eat all you take". My aunt, my mothers sister passed a way after leaving the peace mission and I became the executor of her estate; a year after she passed I received a call from the peace mission in Philadelphia stating they were selling a hotel and my aunts name was on the deed and as such they were sending me her share of the proceeds. I agree with you presentation no one is perfect and if father Devine or Jesus came back now; people would probably kill them! Just look at where we are now; they were going to lynch Mike Pence. I keep and eye out for other information you choose to share. You somewhat cleared up some curiosity I have had for year about my parents in the peace mission. Be well and thanks.
Excellent presentation. I knew of Father Divine, but only the negatives. I didn't know Father Divine was influenced by New Thought. There were many good things in his cult. I subscribed to you channel because the video was so well researched.
I really loved this video!!! I learnt so much, especially since I’ve never heard of father divine in my life (which is surprising because I relish learning about historical figures)- I am so happy I found you 🤗
This is so interesting, my grandma said a few days ago that they would go to the Divine Lorraine Hotel in Philadelphia and hear him “preach” she has Alzheimer’s but when I mentioned that they turned the hotel into apartments she remembered him!
I hope this helps. I worked with Alzheimer’s patients and they may not remember you but they remember their youth. If you want to learn about their youth and how life was for them, they can tell great stories. Appreciate these times even if they have no idea of you are. I enjoyed working with these people. It was not easy but I was young and move quickly when needed. I hope this helps you.
@@Fee-Fee thank you, my grandmother has full moments of lucidity and has a better long term memory than short term, she knows all of us and has a lot of stories lol I wasn’t surprised that she started talking about going to The Divine Lorraine I was more surprised that it popped up for me to watch this afterwards.
Oh my goodness! I grew up in Philly and never knew the history behind that hotel. It was a very prominent structure on Broad Street! Thanks so much for making this connection.
That building was beautiful, the sign was still on top of the dilapidated for 30+ years. I had always been fascinated about what things used to be or looked like, that building always seemed mysterious to me, always wondered who Lorraine was lol. Now it’s luxury apartments that most regular folk can’t afford to live it. Has a middle court yard with balconies, beautiful original architecture.
Whats with the name Loraine.. the Loranie is where MLK was murdered.
I first became fascinated with Cult History back in high school when I took Psychology 1 and Jim Jones was the 1st cult we were taught about. How ironic the 1st video I see of yours has a little segment about him 🤯. I’m Here to stay now 😂
Are you fascinated by cult history or just Jim Jones? When it comes to any kind of leader Jim Jones is bottom of the barrel. in fact Jones was no leader he just thought he was.
You did a great job on this and it reflects in your views. I am now a subscriber and look forward to more of your work. I never knew who Father Divine was until now and you're the one who taught me. If only school teachers taught like this, people would be more interested in history 😆. Keep up the good work
He was before my time but when I was growing up, I remember the elders talking about him. His influence still exists today but we just don't know it's from him.
That's scary
@@27TaLisa not as scary as the prevalent influences of our time I assure you.
There was Daddy Grace ( Graciella) and Father Divine at the same period. Rastafarian movement was started about the same time by a man named (Howell) an associate of Garvy. There are still followers to this day of most of these moments.
King c a c i jah
I remember Daddy Grace. My mother had a friend that was a member of that cult.
Thank you for explaining the difference because I thought she was referring to Daddy Grace at first.
Lmao okay thank you for clearing that up I thought they were the same person Daddy Grace still has a church where I live.
Most churches are "Cults"...so what's your point
When you said “elderly people love young people who are polite and help them with electronics” 😂…Truth
My mother was just telling me how my grandfather use to take my mother and uncle to Dive Lorraine Hotel in Philadelphia to listen to Father Divine preach and eat dinner with him. She said it was an awesome experience to see so many black folks gather for a good cause💪🏾 My mother is 74 years old
It’s crazy I found this video. I was just learning about him from my grandpa. My grandpa said meeting father Devine was the first time his father had a conversation with a white person. For all the things father Devine did and was accused of. What he was preaching was absolute gold.
Thanks for the information. You spoke so passionately of Father Divine. I earned my Ph.D. in Religion at Temple University in 2003. While there, I learned that Father Divine funded a scholarship there for poor students. I started going to his building off Broad and Giraud. It was a wonderful experience. His building is now an apartment condo complex. Great research
Douglas E. Thomas, PhD
I am happy to read your comment. When I moved to Huntington Valley I met Mother Divine and my family and I spent Fourth of July with the “family”. So much history of the Divine Lorraine, Langston Hughes, $1.50 lunches etc...
Mr. Baker walked without fear out of the south and into “his calling”
Cool! I didnt know that. I graduated from Temple in 2005
@@honeybfly1980 what department
Does the building have his commemoration?
Father Divine had a big presence in Philly. Restaurants and hotels. there was a hotel and restaurant on the Penn campus and a church on my grandparents block on 41st & Westminster that was open into the early 80s. FYI all religions are ideology and cults. Remember the Romans called Christianity the Christian Cult?
I'm from west philly. I lived around the corner from father devine's church, inside of that church, they served breakfast, lunch & dinner. the food was top of the line food, that they never charged a set price. you could give whatever you had. father devine also owned a whole block, where all women lived, on westminister ave. all of the women who lived in those house were all red bones ( very light skinned black women) father devine owned a hotel on broad street in philly, that hotel had 10-5 floors on hotel rooms, father devine had notaries all over philly, & all manner o other businesses Father Devine was that dude.
why did he only let redboned live there
@@okeydokey9693 Exactly! Yet "he was that dude"....😏
@@okeydokey9693 he was reincarnated as lil wayne
@@okeydokey9693 all black men who want that integration/peace/don't see color mess love yt women. They literally only do it to have access to them
So he had his women segregated by location based on color
Good info. I am 66 and grew up in North Carolina hearing stories about Father Divine, Daddy Grace, and Elijah Muhammad, who all emerged around the same time and as a result of the Great Migration from the rural South to the urban North. Thank you for doing this research and sharing. Will return to your channel often.
I’m a young guy also from NC. And heard about Daddy grace even been by the church.. not in but by the church lol.. God Bless
@@buddybell9192 yea daddy grace has a huge following in DC
Heard about Father Devine and Daddy Grace from my 86 ur old grandmother. Already knew about Elijah Muhammad. It wasn’t until I started tracing my nationality that I found out all of those mentioned followed Noble Drew Ali.
Yes I’m from nc too and I graduated from NC A&T and I used to have to walk past his daddy grace church and I would hear stories but I was too afraid to go in the church
Is Daddy Grace the guy associated with the house of prayer?
My grandma was a follower of Father Divine. All I can say is what she taught me from what she learned from him, YES! Thoughts create things and the Law of Attraction/The Secret/ The Law of Assumption is REAL. Because of her teaching me what she learned during that New Thought Movement I have been able to CREATE. It is all in the Bible, if you know how to read it. We are GOD!
"We are God..." can't get much more demonic than that.
What do you say to the idea that the Law of Attraction can only truly work for privileged ppl (ppl who aren't poor, ppl who are mostly white, etc.)?
I've seen many discuss how the barriers put in place as part of classism and racism really prevent the Law of Attraction from working on a big scale for many, many ppl
My Mom talks about Father Divine every time we pass by the Divine Lorraine Hotel. She is usually very vague as it was before her time so I had to hop on this vid to hear the whole story. I’m going to share this with her! Thank you!
My Dad grew up in Harlem in 40's and he loved Father Divine, he spoke about him all the time.
I am writing about him, in a book, he was indeed an inspiration for King, Daddy Grace, Malcolm X, and was indeed the most important pastor in America, between Garvey and King. Garveyites, in Harlem and Oakland, CA., followed Divine after Garvey's arrest and deportation. Father Divine lived next to FDR and owned over200 houses where followers lived on Booker T. Washington philosophy. Only Booker T. Was held higher than Divine, to Divine. Divine held 35 million, during the Great Depression. Jim Jones, a white man, trying to engage in a black cultural form, collapsed under its pressure, trying to lead a black movement, as a white man. Jonestown was the result. Thanks Maye, for bringing Father Divine to peoples' awareness. He still has all his original property in Sayville, LI and Woodmont, in PA. Also, "you have to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative" is based on a Father Divine sermon.
Interesting, do you have a website?
Oh my!
My grandmother is from Harlem, and says he was larger than life........Major figure in the black NYC community.
I'm in my mid'50s, NYC Lady, and recall Father Divine banter. I read about Father Divine in my history book as well. He was known.
I'm 70 and I remember Father Divine and Sweet Daddy Grace. Glad you shared your research. It's important that young people talk to their elders so they don't have to assume we never heard of these people.
OMG!!! I only ever saw you on some spelling podcast that my husband watches. I was surprised to find you here educating us on the cult life. I love it❤️! Subscribed and binging ASAP! 🙌
I remember reading about Father Divine myself. I honestly forgot about him until I seen this title. Great job with the video and research!!
Thank you!
I’m a 62 year old African American woman who grew up in North Philadelphia where Father Divine had a mansion on 16th & Oxford. It’s still there. I loved when my mom took us to the Divine Lorraine Hotel to visit the restaurant downstairs on the intersections of Ridge Ave, Fairmont Av and North Broad Street!
Back with cult content and I’m here for it.
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The church should never have been segregated in the 1st place
Yet jews and Greeks had a hard time in the bible..even IF LUKE was greek and Timothy, half greek
This is my 1st time discovering you and I must say I’m intrigued! Absolutely love this peace and your articulation! You are #awesome with that being said I’m subscribing and will share your platform with others. I look forward to discovering and viewing more of your material! Godspeed
Thank you for posting this. I remember seeing a promo for an documentary on this cult 2 or 3 times but I was never able to find a copy of it ANYWHERE.
I grew up with Father Divine's followers. My grandmother and my aunt lived in one of his hotels. My grandmother became friends with him and his followers. I spent a lot of time at his hotel in Newark, N. J. It was a very interesting experience and helped shape who I am today.
In a good or bad way?
So you spent time at the Hotel Riviera.
@@bilderberg_news2644 Yes. A lot of time. My grandmother lived there for a short time and my aunt lived there for years. I ate at the banquets and in the diner. I spent a lot of time in the dressmaking shop as those ladies were my grandmother's friends. She helped them with work that they had to complete.
That hotel is still standing in Newark New Jersey
Link up . Puppies for sale
When I was young in the sixties I heard my parents talk of this father Divine and of the Sunday meals he was served after service at his church somewhere down my forty-third street round Wyalusing or somewhere down in Philadelphia but that's all I ever heard about it thank you for being so informative on this subject of Father Divine as I never knew he was into the Civil Rights Movement there was nothing ever written about him that I've enabled spine until your podcast so thank you very much
@ Eleanor Turner, Yasssss Queen! My family ate there many Sundays after church. Great affordable food. I believe it was by donation. Families ate and paid what they they could afford. Eventually that changed because people would eat and pay $1/$2 dollars I wish they were still there. Many need those meals. Philadelphia has a terrible homeless population nowadays.
I grew up in Philly and remember as a very young child walking with my grandmother there. They had THEE BEST food !! I can still remember how clean and beautiful it was…white table cloths and silverware..and the most lovely smell of yeast rolls and just delicious food😋..All the “Ladies” wore long flowey white dresses…I said to my grandmother “Is this heaven, are they angels” 😭😭of course as a child I wouldn’t have known about his civil rights work so this was enlightening.
You're talking about my old neighborhood, I remember the place!
It's at 41st & Westminster. My grandparents block and where I grew up and lived later as an adult after moving back from Jersey and DC. I wasn't born until 1971 and it was open until the early 80's. My older family members have more vivid memories than me. the building was actually a terminal for the Pennsylvania Railroad before 30th Street station was built. Now it's a preschool and kindergarten for Belmont Charter. My youngest daughter attended preschool and kindergarten there.
@@ruthdixon3699 41st & Westminster. my block is 41st Street between Ogden and Westminster.
I remember learning a little bit about Father Divine in a religion class I took in college. I remember my professor saying he had a big impact at the time but I didn't realize it was as big as it was. Also I didn't know there was video of him. That was interesting to see.
Thanks for your channel and your bringing forth facts on a cult leader. I'd heard about Father Divine being a man whom was supposed to be religious but had gotten people to give him lots of money.
I appreciate hearing & watching someone who does their research to prove what they speak on
Just found your channel. I love your content, and even more your delivery. Your humor is awesome. The relationship between Father Divine and Jim Jones is fascinating. They both demonstrate the concept that power corrupts.
I agree
First time I heard of Father Divine was in the mid 1990 I was a p
public Health Nurse and had to visit one of his followers in a building he had on Central Av. Newark NJ. At first I though it was an apartment building but when the old Male answered the door. I asked to see Me. Love and he answered in a strange voice. Which Love ? We have Peaceful Love , Wonderful Love etc. As soon I gained entry in was shown pictures of Mother and Father which was every where and in every bedroom. There was a large dining area with a place setting for "Father and Mother " who was already dead years ago. A very strange place.
My grandfather used to talk at length about Father Divine and said mostly good thing about him. Thanks for this video, I hope he’s not lost to history.
If he wasn't the first mega church, he had the first mega church, that didn't collect funds from his followers.
That in itself is a miracle.
(to my knowledge)
I'm not sure what he did when he was alive but I remember my family giving money every time they visited. I can't recall them asking for it but then again I was a child in my own world more consumed with the beautiful land and good food lol.
Yes he did they said.. and he received all the funds they had... And some wanted their money back and even took him to court and he fleed New York to avoid it
Thanks Maye! In the late '60s and early '70s My dad used to occasionally take our family to dinner at the Divine Temple on Sundays. It was on broad Street in Philadelphia, although we were not members. It was good food at a reasonable price. 🌞
Thank you Maye for bringing this part of black church history. I heard about Father Divine and Daddy Grace and even Reverend Ike as a kid but did not know the much about his place in civil rights and his own version of "God". I am proud to subscribe to your muses, VERY well done!!!
Dr. Maye, you are a brilliant teacher. You make history come alive. I had read a little about Fr. Divine but you brought his
Past life out of obscurity. Thanks for sharing!
My great grandmother told me that her mother ran off with father divine she left her husband and kids to follow him
Jim jones wasnt the 1st?
A woman will leave anybody for a great man a cult doesn’t have to be involved
anybody who "read" know their were many do called "father devines" even long before this particular one got on the scene.
Did she ever come back?
A relative of mine is supposed to have done the same thing only it was a man.
I remember when I was a little girl growing up and in Philadelphia my dad used to take us every Sunday to father Devine to eat and even back then the food was so good and you just gave a donation. Best homemade yeast rolls. I Remember all the older women wearing all white as they served us
“Oh the wife’s thinking thoughts, must be a crime involved” is literally soooo on point. Like that should be a saying
I vaguely remember my granddad talking about him. He (my granddad) died this January, in his 90s so I’m def interested to hear more about this father divine person and see if it jogs any memories from my grandads stories
Wow sis! You are an amazing Storyteller. Also, I in Philly and had no idea that the hotel divine had anything to do with him. Total crickets. You are the truth love!😍💅🏾
Loving this series! I'm learning so much that I literally would have never even thought to research.
Thank you! I have more coming shortly
Nice
Maye, I must say that I LOVE ❤️ your prsentation style as much as I love your content. My degree is in Political Science, but of course history is and always was paramount in my studies. I particularly enjoy the history of religious and spiritual movements, especially those involving African Americans. I fully intend to resurrect my social media presence and start actively you-tubing again. Hopefully one day we can work together and assist one another in our work.
On a closing note, I totally agree with you on the Neville Goddard point!
@34:50 lm 60+ & never heard of Neville Goddard, so lm looking fwd to that vid.
You were on my recommended list and I'm NOT disappointed
I just want to say I'm glad I found your channel. You have completely motivated me. Thank You!
If there wasn't a Father Divine, there would be no Reverend Ike.
Wait... Rev Ike was a cult leader?
Who's Reverand Ike?
He was also with the Moorish temple with Timothy drew as well. The common denominator was that they all came through Masonry and the Moorish temple because Elijah Poole Bey/Muhammad was also with the Moorish Temple and a Mason.
@@1love847 Reverend Ike was a big pastor, now he has a history that is known amongst black people. I'm 40 and I remember seeing him on TV and heading him on the radio.
Don't forget about Daddy Grace....
Mind Blowing!! I have NEVER heard of this man, this is proof that they only teach and show you what they want you to absorb, bless you Maye for dropping this jewel, I'm subscribing RIGHT NOW.
Wow, i just came across this page, and at 72 yso i recall my great aunt talking about Father Divine. Regardless of anyone's personal opinion Im impressed with this young lady expanding her black history. Im subscribing to her channel for other discussions. Most of these Channels are boring and irrelevant. Proud of you young lady ☺
You're free to educate yourself
I was just researching this man’s buildings that have been remodeled and resold over the years in Philadelphia. His full self given name was Father Major Jealous Devine. Just the name is a red flag.
Jealous??? 🤣🤣🤣 red flag indeed
@@nlocnil3602 😂😂
@Lavender Eyes Tarot LLC lolll girl he say they “major jealous” of him 😂 he really did know what he was doing lol. I don’t think he was celibate honestly.
Big-time red flag
This was expertly explained. I was born in the late 90's, so this was utterly unknown to me. What a fascinating collections of teachings! I can hardly imagine what people's first impression of him was- especially at that time!
That’s crazy my grandmother told me about a church her and her friends egged as little girls…the man of the church was called by the name “Daddy Grace”….she said when she walked into the church people was fanning Daddy Grace with huge palm trees….and they would sing “What’s the matter with Daddy, he’s alright” smh wild what kind of church dat!
Women call they boyfriends daddy and they probably don't do as much as this man did. He wasn't taking money from h his followers he was literally helping them, so if they wanna call him daddy fuck it
Marcelino Manuel da Graça was known as Daddy Grace. Many confuse him with Father Divine. They are one in the same.
Thats the House of Prayer. There are alot in my city
I was born 1949. I remember when I was a child between the ages of 6 through around 11 yrs old watching his house in Washington, DC on Logan Circle, NW. I remember the grand parades his sect put on yearly. Yes he and his followers were a mystery to everyone. Wow, thanks for a childhood memory.👌🏾
I’m honestly also flabbergasted that I’ve never heard of this because I try to educate myself on both black history and cult history😟 So glad your video popped up on my recommended!
I am flabbergasted also!! Just shocked !!
I remember him , I lived in Ct , and it was news when he visited his Churches in New Haven and Bridgeport , he was on the news .
My older brother explained him as a religious leader. Who was financially motivated looking back he pretty much exploited
Poor black people.
I live in bridgeport. Its crazy how i caught this comment. I guess im too young, because i never heard of him, what was the name of his churches? Which streets was it on?
Remember now, this same man, broke up families, and didn't allow, them to keep their own children. But, the crazy thing is,they believed in celibacy.So, if that be the case, it means, there were no kids to grow up,and keep the movement alive so, it died as the last followers died out. Not a smart move.
Once again you teach me something new Maye, Father Divine sounded like Creflo with the suits and the plane lol let me stop before someone gets offended but let me look up Nevel
History repeats
I’m from Philadelphia. The Divine Lorraine Hotel was one of the most beautiful edifices on broad street. A cult though it was. I heard they would leave a plate set for father divine years beyond his death
Yes! I literally just left that under someone else's comment. they most definitely did do that.
I always saw that place but didn't know who it was named after.
Yes that is true. A plate would be at the table at all times representative of Fathers presence.
A culture not a cult that’s a stupid word Christianity is a cult Islam is a Cult all of it is about Culture!!!!
@@Magic369-dt Did he adore food?
My grandmother was actually a devout follower of this man. My mother and her brothers suffered at her hands under his teaching.
False prophets will have people doing the dumbest shit ain't nothing holy bout that shit at all no one should be worshipped like that let alone a mortal man
Can you explain?
@Troy Guzman I would like to know how? Please explain...
What happened?
Please say more!!
I am so happy that you mentioned Father Divine. I went to college on Philadelphia in the late 80’s and was immediately introduced to him. His buildings were all over the Delaware Valley. As a matter of fact, when I got married we bought a historic home on the same block as his convent.
You are a strong scholar and historian on all of your connected parts. Love this quality and loving your work!!!
I’ve been telling my friends at work about your channel & they all love your content..thanks for all you do🙏🏾
Thank you so much! I appreciate the word of mouth
I remember the old timers talking about buying dinners for $1.75 at his hotel in Philadelphia as long as you came dressed up and listened to his speech.
I love the levity you bring to your video- thank you
You're doing an awesome work, Maye!
Thanks for all you do.
Respect!
Much respect good research Young lady can't wait to see what you will do next father Divine feed his people and his hotel Loraine grace Divine still stands today and he always had the cleanest white dinner table that could give Ruth Chris a run for their money even today immaculate dinner arrangements without question
I did a play called, “In White America” and had an opportunity to interview his wife fore material in Philly. She still referred to him as a “g”. This was back in 2003/2004.
He had hotels in Philly in the early 2000’s at the time I was a broke traveler just out of college and needed the most affordable place in town. The rooms were had floors separated by sex and no smoking or drinking allowed. Other than that it was a great stay like being a hostel. I was curious about the history and what I discovered was kinda shocking but I also know history of black people is often distorted by oppressors.
He owned part of Harlem too. That was most fascinating. Of course it was all left to his 2nd wife.
I saw one of the hotels 12 yrs ago. My mother explained to me what it was.
The Loretta divine on broad and fairmount
@@mrcell2762 Yeah. I thought we were on Broad St but I lived in My Airy as a child and was never really familiar with anything past Germantown.
He owned a hotel in Newark NJ too.
Judge falls dead, & Father Divine said “I hated to do it⁉️” 😂😂😂
1. Charismatic leader
2. Doctrine
3. Quality of the followers
4. Brainwashing
5. Practices and rituals
Four goat heads out of five.
Got it, thanks Maye Muses
This was fun and incredibly educational.
This "Father Divine" character sounds like someone who was light-years ahead of their time. Truly wonderful upload! 👌
He was a pimp with a lot of game.
Jim Jones, had a meeting with him, and Father Divine schooled him on how to make his followers worship him. Trust Jesus, and keep it moving. Many more will come, the Bible says so.
Not true at all