People say one of them used to make his students perform a crazy long fast before he even accepted them. Bro culture today is already re-embracing fasting.
The Bible says “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.”-ECC. 1:9 sooooo yea. This checks out. Also women are lovely and deserve love and respect 🩷✨a true alpha take
I need someone to make a quiz with some dumb ass shit like 4:26 and the goal is to guess whether an ancient greek philosopher wrote it or is it an alpha male podcaster quote
To make it even better; plato is not even his real name, it's his wrestling name. Other philosophers were quoating him using his fucking discord nickname lol
_”Other philosophers were quoating him using his fucking discord nickname lol”_ Most of the UA-camrs I watch, I know by their channel name, not their actual name.
today during lecture, our teacher was (again) talking about Aristotle i was thinking "wait weren't these guys the original 'you're gay because you're into dudes, i'm gay because i hate women, we are not the same'?"
And that they at least had the excuse of living in Ancient Greece and not having the knowledge or hindsight we do today… these youngins don’t. We got mfs going back to the old ways without realizing why we left it behind. They never grew out of the childish boy clubs we’d have in elementary, maybe middle school. I think I can only count like one that isn’t full of bs and it’s been years since I’ve seen anything from them
@@Wicked_Knightwe already do. They’re called crackheads spouting nonsense that u avoid eye contact with or stoners who would be philosophers or philosophy teachers if they didn’t spend their time laughing at literally anything
@@mateomoreno331not at all, because the sophist would teach young men on how to begin their career in politics (with varying results). Calling them finance gurus is pretty apt.
And, a part of what @Sethgaston8347 has said, we can add the fact thanks to spreading education, they helped to form the first type of lawyers and push thought boundries. Because they were relativists with quite a good head on their shoulders, it forced later philosophers to think deeper to argue with them (for example a sophist could argue that no one is naturally a slave). So, despite their reputation, they did more good than bad in general terms.
to be fair, at least pitagoras' cult seemed to actually learn and do math, while daytraders just go "hur dur number go up" and probably dont even know how do divide
Same. All I can see is Pythagoras drawings triangles in clay while trying to explain his theory to a glassy-eyes Joe Rogan who would just endlessly go “damn that’s crazy” in a feeble attempt to move onto the next topic another topic, any topic but math PLEASE
@handlebar4520 thanks for the correction, i looked it up and you are right. (though wikipedia says his name was spelled "hippasus") id fix it but youtube took the edit button (amoung other things) out of the mobile browser ui awhile back
A history teacher of mine jokingly labeled Aristotle as "the first and last man to know everything." He tried to offer an explanation for everything, and even though many of his theories were horribly wrong, you at least gotta respect the hustle. That and, you know, being a major pioneer of the scientific method.
No joke, it's widely believed that when Pythagoras was killed, he let himself get murdered over trampling a field of beans. He believed they were sacred because they contained souls and that eating (or trampling) them was sinful
It's so baffling to me how these guys both discovered actual math we're still using today but also they just made shit up and pretended it's real like eels getting born from mud and a woman's womb wandering to their head. Idk just seems like that's not the same kind of guy.
@@StealJoe69420 Yeah but a modern scientist uses experiments, studies, data etc to come to a conclusion. They came up with math and had proof for it and then when it comes to other stuff they just make it up and without any evidence say that's how it is.
Because you need to brainwash yourself to believe otherwise. Their opinions are just observations from the past about the human condition,they still hold today but we have a bunch of whiners with hurt feelings moaning about it so we pretend to care. Break the cycle of modernity,don't fall into the empathy trap especially for worthless individuals.
IMO, Diogenes was the best of them all. Mainly because of instead of being an alpha male, he was the grandfather of trolling. The kind of dude who presented the plucked chicken to Plato to mock his ideas in front of his entire class. (as seen briefly in this video.) He was quite literally a homeless begger, yet he got people to take him seriously. Even so far as Alexander the Great asking if there is anything in his power that he can do for him. He just straight up told one of the most powerful men in that era to 'move over, you're blocking my sunlight!' XD
It's funny how everyone just says they like Diogenes even though they cannot, even if their life depended on it, tell you what his actual thoughts were. They don't even know what cynicism is. It's pretty weird. The chicken story is also likely just a myth. Plato criticized himself much better in the Parmenides, which you will never read.
@@dreyri2736 I don't need to know what his actual thoughts where. All I need to know is that he's was a bloody hilarious dude. A literal crazy hobo that people are for some reason taking seriously, even thousands of years later. That's probably the most epic troll throughout all of history.
My man, you had playwrights before plato even existed writing endorsements of their patriarchal systems and how women contribute nothing to the birth of a human as evidenced by Zeus birthing Athena from his head (just read the Oresteia by Aeschylus). Attributing this to guys like Plato and Aristotle is beyond silly.
@@definitivamenteno-malo7919 they had some pretty great ideas and well-reasoned. Better than you find in most people even today. Hell, some even posited the existence of atoms before we even could imagine an electron microscope.
Epicurus on the other hand could be said to be an ancient day hippie health guru. Eat natural foods, return to nature, go on walks, do yoga, and you will find true happiness. Also his theological beliefs were more akin to astronomy than what you might think of as religion, "the gods dont really care about you dude they chill"
Even as a joke, it‘s not that far off the mark, although it‘s probably more accurate to say that Podcasters are an (even more) insane reflection of Greek Philosophers. Super-importantly, what people completely miss is that what we call „Greek Philosophy“ isn‘t really a thing. All these people were products of their society, and that society was changing massively throughout the period we now know as „the classic era“. In fact, it‘s not even one society but several, if not dozens of them. You got the age of Tyrants, the early Greek City States, the later Imperialist Greek City states, the Macedonians, the Greek Colonies, the Hellenistic Period, and inevitably the Roman Period. And they all produced radically different ideas. Early Greek philosophy was materialist, whereas Plato and Aristotle were Idealists (this explains a ton about them!) and eventually you even got a form of Hellenistic Mysticism. These are not compatible schools of thought, and only people who don’t understand them can really look at that and go „yeah, that‘s all one thing and I‘m gonna structure my life after it“. For people who want to really understand what was going on there, I highly recommend August Thalheimer‘s „Introduction to Dialectical Materialism“. It‘s very good, fairly easy to read, and does a great job explaining the social context various ideas appeared under, and how (and why) they often reappear at different times, in different societies. Thalheimer also goes a good deal into ancient Chinese and Indian philosophy, which was also happening and which is extremely useful and interesting. We can „study“ philosophy by memorizing anecdotes or stuff that people famously said. But that‘s only scratching the surface; real understanding only comes from the relationship of ideas to their social context. www.marxists.org/archive/thalheimer/works/diamat/index.htm
4:30 considering some greeks belived that the female had no imput whatsoever one the baby that would be made ( being merely and Incubator ) thats progress.
@@DoktorKleiner Is not that they did belive the man chosse the gender, but they belived that the sperm Is already a full human that just needs to grow. The original mith for Athenas justice system even argues that mothers aren't even truly your kin.
I get this is a joke but one thing that most people don't really know is that, especially during the hellenistic period, when philosophy seemed to focus on attaining "ataraxia" (peace of mind), philosophy actually served the role that psychology does for some people today. For example, if you were suffering in some way mentally, you might go to the Stoics and ask them to help you. They would proceed to tell you, using reason, how the universe works and, in light of this, what your position in it was and how you should act or behave according to it. The stoic would tell you that the only real good thing is virtue, which involves acting in accordance with nature/the will of Zeus. Everything that haplens in nature is natural, it was always mean to happen. It was fate. So, really, while you might feel sorrow because your mother passed away, there really is no good reason for your sorrow. She was always going to die at that time. What you should be is be indifferent to it. Because, according to stoicism, emotions are actually value judgments. And since virtue is the only real good (they, like epicureans, were value monists), you are making false value judgments by, for example, throwing a tantrum when you miss your train. Not that everyone could be a stoic sage, the point was to make the person realize this so they might free themselves of suffering. Meanwhile, the Epicurean, I guess, would try and make you let go of your attachment to her because it only causes pain while also helping you get over your fear of death. The skeptic would probably tell you that you don't know why this happened or if there is life after death or what you should do in this situation and that's all ok. Maybe grieving is a natural response, maybe it isn't. Do you know? Who cares?
Too bad the cult of Islam killed any reputation those guys had in modern day... I understand why they had to conform to it with some of what they said. If they spoke out they probably would have been... Done like Galileo... It is hard to take philosophers seriously overall when they have to conform under the constraint of a cult. You can no longer tell if they had to do it or if they agreed with the insanity of it. This applies to the Greeks too and any who had to deal with that kind of irrational belief. Like are we sure the eel come out of mud thing was true and not legend? Was is due to following the irrationality of others believing in the unproven super natural? I dunno so What i do is extract what makes sense and disregard the rest. For example. The idea Algorithms of make sense. It's inception by Al-Khwarizmi commendable. Believing you gotta circle a cube to not burn... and conforming to it... Not so much.
@@aziouss2863Must be miserable being on dick 24/7 when you get sent into a giant rant about Islam and religion the moment you see an Arabic name getting any kind of recognition 😂
I mean, the uterus moving to the brain to cause hysteria is wrong but he was onto something there, considering the emotional fluctuations are caused by the effects of increased estrogen on the brain, which is mostly coming from the ovaries which while not technically a part of the uterus, they are close enough i guess
That's like saying bloodletting is close enough to modern medicine because they agreed that the bad stuff was in your blood. The four humours theory is not close to germ theory, the idea that the womb has the mobility of a wild animal is not close to anything about hormones.
Reason why alot of these famous philosophers had alot of following was because everyone knows they're giga-learned. They didn't shy away from learning things. Today's "alpha males" would consider learning to be a beta mindset or something.
Hey ! Give Aristotle some space , he needed to vent after trying unsuccessfully to find eel's balls his all life for no results while his wife would scold him for dedicating more time to this than doing the house chores !
Calling Aristotle a scientist? Those are fighting words! His archaic ideas about natural law and how to understand it literally held back the progression scientific thought for thousands of years. Okay, I’m giving him a lot of credit, but still…. He was one of many who really pushed an agenda of coming up with a hypothetical explanation and either NEVER experimenting on it, or testing things out non-rigorously to support your hypotheses.
@@mathmusicandlooks "Aristotle did not do experiments in the modern sense. He used the ancient Greek term pepeiramenoi to mean observations, or at most investigative procedures, such as (in Generation of Animals) finding a fertilised hen's egg of a suitable stage and opening it so as to be able to see the embryo's heart inside. Instead, he practised a different style of science: systematically gathering data, discovering patterns common to whole groups of animals, and inferring possible causal explanations from these. This style is common in modern biology when large amounts of data become available in a new field, such as genomics. It does not result in the same certainty as experimental science, but it sets out testable hypotheses and constructs a narrative explanation of what is observed. In this sense, Aristotle's biology is scientific. From the data he collected and documented, Aristotle inferred quite a number of rules relating the life-history features of the live-bearing tetrapods (terrestrial placental mammals) that he studied. Among these correct predictions are the following. Brood size decreases with (adult) body mass, so that an elephant has fewer young (usually just one) per brood than a mouse. Lifespan increases with gestation period, and also with body mass, so that elephants live longer than mice, have a longer period of gestation, and are heavier. As a final example, fecundity decreases with lifespan, so long-lived kinds like elephants have fewer young in total than short-lived kinds like mice."
To elaborate on Plato's ideal of Platonic love, it's very likely to have stemmed from the Greek's overall cultural preference for Aestheticism AKA the philosophy of 'the tangible is cringe'. Many Greek philosophers held that all things in concrete reality were a projection, or hologram, of an ideal form beyond the physical. This is why they could whip up things like the first steam engine and the Antikythera Mechanism, but could never translate that into getting more materialistic people (read: jocks) like the Persians or Romans to stop stomping on their faces and taking their lunch money like the nerds that they were. Just ask Archimedes, who got a spatha to the gut because some gym-bro was salty about his ship-flipping claw and mythical(?) heat-ray and stepped on his circles. Basically, whenever the Ancient Greeks saw a thing that did a thing, they'd say 'that's cool, but have you considered the notion that a better version of that gizmo exists in the aether beyond your perception and that you're basically just playing catch-up to the Demiurge or whatever? LOL checkmate, tangible-chud!' Whereupon they would get beaten up and have their Gods stolen by a culture that acknowledged the logistical and physical superiority of iron. Point is, Plato conceivably saw the love between a man and a woman as being inferior to the love between men, as hetero-pairings served a material function in the production of children. Platonic love, on the other hand, had no such extant function and was therefore an enlightened, ethereal pursuit of higher reasoning and big-brained love. tl;dr "fucking women is gay af lol" ~Plato, probably
Meanwhile prophets. - Play trumpets so badly an entire town crumbles - Manage to park their boat on a mountain - Climb a column and can't get down - Shady as F. Nobody believes them. - Dabbled in Dream analysis - Invented writing on walls 3000 years before someone came up with the word graffiti - Are never salty, even if their wife is
I love your videos. Your content made me laugh and get excited about things when I was real low. Thank you for your videos! Your takes are so spot on and your comedic timing is immaculate. Too bad about your wicked wandering woman womb. umu
5:12 I was completely distracted from everything you said after "butthole tanning" I feel like I was hit by the knob during fight club what the hell did I just see!
wow, I cant believe im saying this but... I would use the "they were just roommates" argument. I mean... at a time where people didnt know everything, you could actually just throw out ideas in fields that you knew nothing about and be right. Wich probaply also made philosophers massive dickheads at that time.
Hey!!!! Just discovered your channel!!! LOVE IT. I was binge watching for like 3 hours last night. Have you considered configuring your videos for TikTok? I think this would be great to gain traction and attention. Keep up the great work! 😊
@@jack_kasper TikTok has so much brainrot though. For every 1 educational video on there, there's like 10-100 videos spreading misinformation and/or dangerous trends.
Aristotle is a real internet personality: he spouts one thing while doing the exact opposite in his normal life. Either that or his wife was "one of the good ones."
Another difference is that Greek Philosophers lived something like 5000 years ago and humanity was starting to study and learn some of that shit. Alpha males live today and we have science.
still science related to human behaviour and sociology isnt as advanced as other sciences, in that aspects we could even say that we are at the same level as ancient people
I think the reason we react so strongly to accidentally sharting is that there is a primordial fear of accidentally farting our soul out. Our body sharting is a way of getting ourselves to not die in this manner.
IT WAS AGES AGO. philosophy wasn't "philosophy", it was all science that there was. there wasn't any evidence. half the shit they said was guesswork anyway - a lot of it just happened to be sorrrta correct guesses. you can't blame plato for "giving his opinion on things he didn't know a lot about". how Could anyone know anything about it? and when u don't have evidence u just theorize so it makes sense. anyway funny idea, keep it up.
1:38 I mean, taking a lot more effort to be strong, fast and able to defend yourself and others, being able to go to toilet only sitting, and wanting to live a peaceful life but your body going "nuh-uh" every month, sounds rather unfortunate to me
Based Plato convincing men "women bad" so he can get all the men
exactly
It was a conspiracy between Plato and Sappho all along! He gets the guys and she gets the gals :D
@@thepoopieshow NOT THE CURSED Sam O’Nella video
I had no idea I was actually a philosopher 😯
Stay mad
Now I just wanna sit here imagining Diogenes chucking some period blood and semen into a bowl and then yelling 'behold, a baby!'
It'd be his own, too
"If only l could rub my stomach and not be hungry anymore" - Diogenes on the subject of whhhhackin it
Well, he was looking in the right direction but gave up before reaching the goal. 😅
Diogenes being critical of other philosophers for being self-aggrandizing, bullshit-spewing, hypocritical, societal parasites makes sense though.
Diogenes was a Chad
The video might be intended as a joke, but I have a degree in philosophy and you're not far wrong.
People say one of them used to make his students perform a crazy long fast before he even accepted them. Bro culture today is already re-embracing fasting.
I too have a degree in philosophy and I have unconventional theories...
She's funny and insightful I love it!
The Bible says “What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.”-ECC. 1:9 sooooo yea. This checks out.
Also women are lovely and deserve love and respect 🩷✨a true alpha take
"not far wrong" you went to a bad school, buddy. Your opinion is irrelevant.
I need someone to make a quiz with some dumb ass shit like 4:26 and the goal is to guess whether an ancient greek philosopher wrote it or is it an alpha male podcaster quote
there's a uk radio show that does exactly that but I forgot the name
@@thepoopieshow oh wow that's gonna be a funny game i need to find it
@@thepoopieshowIs it Quote … Unquote perhaps?
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Radio shows are still a thing?@@thepoopieshow
To make it even better; plato is not even his real name, it's his wrestling name. Other philosophers were quoating him using his fucking discord nickname lol
More like Stage name like Emma Stone or nickname definitely not __xxgamerslayerxx__
Meditations? You mean dms?
It was his UA-cam handle.
_”Other philosophers were quoating him using his fucking discord nickname lol”_
Most of the UA-camrs I watch, I know by their channel name, not their actual name.
@@haroldbalzac6336"what's up guys, it's ya boi Plato here! Today we're going to be discussing why liking women is gay"
today during lecture, our teacher was (again) talking about Aristotle i was thinking "wait weren't these guys the original 'you're gay because you're into dudes, i'm gay because i hate women, we are not the same'?"
both are based
Does Aristotle support homosexuality?
That's the reason I'm gay
@@Keyboard_Thoughts bottom or up?
@@blugaledoh2669 btm of course
The difference between Greek philosophers and Alpha Male grifters is that the former actually contributed to society
my point at the end exactly
im so confused how alpha males even get the resources to get fucking podcasts despite their audience mostly being vulnerable kids
They were popular, so?
Look into Sophistry a little more, the ancients didn’t contribute as much as you would think
And that they at least had the excuse of living in Ancient Greece and not having the knowledge or hindsight we do today… these youngins don’t. We got mfs going back to the old ways without realizing why we left it behind. They never grew out of the childish boy clubs we’d have in elementary, maybe middle school. I think I can only count like one that isn’t full of bs and it’s been years since I’ve seen anything from them
if poopie is moving into some philosophy content I feel you gotta do a Diogenes episode
it's basically a youtube requirement at this point lol
@@iquemedia In times like these, we need more people like Diogenes.
He was one of the people who looked into the abyss, smiled and walked away. 😅
@@molybdaen11 Nah. Probably looked into the abyss, pissed and shitted in it and cursed at it whilst rubbing a quick one out.
He hates both men and women equally, especially if they're from Sinop, his hometown.
He loves his dogs though so he's officially a modern "dog daddy"
@@Wicked_Knightwe already do. They’re called crackheads spouting nonsense that u avoid eye contact with or stoners who would be philosophers or philosophy teachers if they didn’t spend their time laughing at literally anything
Remember when Pythagoras drowned someone because root 2 isn't a ratio?
The story of Pythagoras drowning a student over irrational numbers is likely a legend rather than historical fact.
@@LionLuckk Literally everything about Pythagoras is likely a legend rather then historical fact.
@@Fr.O.G. says the guy going by the name Frog.
@@Wicked_Knight?
@@foiledits did I stutter?
The sophists were literally the finance gurus of their day.
You think that philosophers weren't too? 😂
The sophists were the proto-politicians
@@mateomoreno331not at all, because the sophist would teach young men on how to begin their career in politics (with varying results). Calling them finance gurus is pretty apt.
@@sethgaston8347 i ask for a middle groud. Finance guru is a strech
And, a part of what @Sethgaston8347 has said, we can add the fact thanks to spreading education, they helped to form the first type of lawyers and push thought boundries. Because they were relativists with quite a good head on their shoulders, it forced later philosophers to think deeper to argue with them (for example a sophist could argue that no one is naturally a slave). So, despite their reputation, they did more good than bad in general terms.
to be fair, at least pitagoras' cult seemed to actually learn and do math, while daytraders just go "hur dur number go up" and probably dont even know how do divide
I don’t know about day traders, but people in investment companies are usually very smart and compute a lot of data for their investments
Despite disagreeing with most of their veiws, I would watch the heck out of a Joe Rogan - Plato - Aristotle - Pythagoras podcast
it would be funny to watch
That would be peak content
SOMEONE WRITE A FANFIC ABOUT THIS
Add Diogenes and make it a real party
Same. All I can see is Pythagoras drawings triangles in clay while trying to explain his theory to a glassy-eyes Joe Rogan who would just endlessly go “damn that’s crazy” in a feeble attempt to move onto the next topic another topic, any topic but math PLEASE
Plato just flexing his muscles while loosing a debate is the must hilarious thing I've heard in a while
I'm happy 2D poopie is back, but pls don't keep 3D poopie locked up in the dungeon too long. She needs sunlight too
@@KumaBones the sunlight makes for a stinky poopie. 😅
pythagoras discovered irrational numbers, told his shipmates about it and was thrown overboard with bricks tied to his feet.
I'd do the same if I'm on a boat and some incel decides to invent math smh
not pythagoras, hypasus proved the square root of 2 was irrational and was drowned by pythagoras
@handlebar4520 thanks for the correction, i looked it up and you are right. (though wikipedia says his name was spelled "hippasus")
id fix it but youtube took the edit button (amoung other things) out of the mobile browser ui awhile back
@@johannesviljoen9656 ah yes, spelling was never my forte. Read it in a magazine a while ago.
hippo sus…
A history teacher of mine jokingly labeled Aristotle as "the first and last man to know everything." He tried to offer an explanation for everything, and even though many of his theories were horribly wrong, you at least gotta respect the hustle. That and, you know, being a major pioneer of the scientific method.
"Beans are bad and will kill you" pytagoras. (Probably)
By his logic, I must be a soulless husk with how often I'm eating Beans and gasing my family.
No joke, it's widely believed that when Pythagoras was killed, he let himself get murdered over trampling a field of beans. He believed they were sacred because they contained souls and that eating (or trampling) them was sinful
@@Wicked_Knight you are caseoh
Some people have a deadly allergy to them tho
It's so baffling to me how these guys both discovered actual math we're still using today but also they just made shit up and pretended it's real like eels getting born from mud and a woman's womb wandering to their head. Idk just seems like that's not the same kind of guy.
Probably the original work got lost and the monks had to fill up the blank parts.
Lol they figured things out first, they didn't have internet or biology books you know
You can be a genius in one field of science and completely miserable in the next. Applies to modern scientists too. You just can't know it all.
@@StealJoe69420 Yeah but a modern scientist uses experiments, studies, data etc to come to a conclusion. They came up with math and had proof for it and then when it comes to other stuff they just make it up and without any evidence say that's how it is.
@@StealJoe69420yeah the over confidence helped them spread their ideas, both the ones worthy of attention and the ones that werent
The old Greek phylosophers have still a firm grib on today's culture.
It shows that times change but the fundamental questions do not.
Because you need to brainwash yourself to believe otherwise.
Their opinions are just observations from the past about the human condition,they still hold today but we have a bunch of whiners with hurt feelings moaning about it so we pretend to care.
Break the cycle of modernity,don't fall into the empathy trap especially for worthless individuals.
Ain't no party like a Poopie party.
im a party pooper
@@vinny.montgomeryin this context that’s a good thing
@@MadamFoogie this comment belongs on the out of context subreddit. 😅
Yeah let's get poopie in here 😎
i cant escape plato anywhere i go
Das platonic love baby
Good.
You think that's bad? Try being a Filipino every meal time.
Plato and Aristotle are the most insufferable characters ever, specially if you ad Tonas Aquinas
IMO, Diogenes was the best of them all. Mainly because of instead of being an alpha male, he was the grandfather of trolling.
The kind of dude who presented the plucked chicken to Plato to mock his ideas in front of his entire class. (as seen briefly in this video.)
He was quite literally a homeless begger, yet he got people to take him seriously. Even so far as Alexander the Great asking if there is anything in his power that he can do for him.
He just straight up told one of the most powerful men in that era to 'move over, you're blocking my sunlight!' XD
It's funny how everyone just says they like Diogenes even though they cannot, even if their life depended on it, tell you what his actual thoughts were. They don't even know what cynicism is. It's pretty weird.
The chicken story is also likely just a myth. Plato criticized himself much better in the Parmenides, which you will never read.
@@dreyri2736 yup we found the podcast alpha male
@@Shaytan.666 I'm not sure, but I don't think nerdicus is a "podcast alpha male" or whatever.
First Sigma
@@dreyri2736 I don't need to know what his actual thoughts where. All I need to know is that he's was a bloody hilarious dude.
A literal crazy hobo that people are for some reason taking seriously, even thousands of years later. That's probably the most epic troll throughout all of history.
Greek philosophers had a lot of great ideas, but their sexism was also so powerful it became the foundation of sexism for the next 2000 years.
I wish I was that powerful..
@@thepoopieshowJust gotta be more sexist
My man, you had playwrights before plato even existed writing endorsements of their patriarchal systems and how women contribute nothing to the birth of a human as evidenced by Zeus birthing Athena from his head (just read the Oresteia by Aeschylus). Attributing this to guys like Plato and Aristotle is beyond silly.
It's not that they had great ideas. Is just that they knew how to speak.
@@definitivamenteno-malo7919 they had some pretty great ideas and well-reasoned. Better than you find in most people even today. Hell, some even posited the existence of atoms before we even could imagine an electron microscope.
Epicurus on the other hand could be said to be an ancient day hippie health guru. Eat natural foods, return to nature, go on walks, do yoga, and you will find true happiness. Also his theological beliefs were more akin to astronomy than what you might think of as religion, "the gods dont really care about you dude they chill"
Ok, so first of all, Plato was a nickname gave to him from his wrestling coach...
Even as a joke, it‘s not that far off the mark, although it‘s probably more accurate to say that Podcasters are an (even more) insane reflection of Greek Philosophers.
Super-importantly, what people completely miss is that what we call „Greek Philosophy“ isn‘t really a thing. All these people were products of their society, and that society was changing massively throughout the period we now know as „the classic era“. In fact, it‘s not even one society but several, if not dozens of them.
You got the age of Tyrants, the early Greek City States, the later Imperialist Greek City states, the Macedonians, the Greek Colonies, the Hellenistic Period, and inevitably the Roman Period. And they all produced radically different ideas.
Early Greek philosophy was materialist, whereas Plato and Aristotle were Idealists (this explains a ton about them!) and eventually you even got a form of Hellenistic Mysticism. These are not compatible schools of thought, and only people who don’t understand them can really look at that and go „yeah, that‘s all one thing and I‘m gonna structure my life after it“.
For people who want to really understand what was going on there, I highly recommend August Thalheimer‘s „Introduction to Dialectical Materialism“. It‘s very good, fairly easy to read, and does a great job explaining the social context various ideas appeared under, and how (and why) they often reappear at different times, in different societies. Thalheimer also goes a good deal into ancient Chinese and Indian philosophy, which was also happening and which is extremely useful and interesting.
We can „study“ philosophy by memorizing anecdotes or stuff that people famously said. But that‘s only scratching the surface; real understanding only comes from the relationship of ideas to their social context.
www.marxists.org/archive/thalheimer/works/diamat/index.htm
"Gweek philosophers"
-Poopie 0:00
0:54 these animations are flawless
Frrr 😭😭🤣🤣
You're my new favorite educational channel.
4:30 considering some greeks belived that the female had no imput whatsoever one the baby that would be made ( being merely and Incubator ) thats progress.
Considering that it is the father's cromossome who defines the sex of the baby, they were not that far wrong.
@@DoktorKleiner Is not that they did belive the man chosse the gender, but they belived that the sperm Is already a full human that just needs to grow.
The original mith for Athenas justice system even argues that mothers aren't even truly your kin.
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Glad to see a fellow student from the ol' academy
Yea but do you know what he says in that clip lol
4:47 "he believed you can fart out your soul" is that why his cultists weren't allowed to eat beans?
yes!
your little animations just keep getting better and better
Bruh I was laughing so hard that I could barely breathe sometimes.... Imagine death by poopie
Historically death by poop isn't unheard of. 😅
Small correction: aristotle wasn't a scientist, he was an empiricist before empiricism existed
As a Philosophy Major who's had to read these guys's texts and works for class all the time, I can say that this is indeed accurate.
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Dear god, that reference to Sam O Nella's deleted Sigmund Freud video is several layers of hilarious🤣🤣
These guys were mystics, the scientific method *as we know it* didn’t exist back then.
I get this is a joke but one thing that most people don't really know is that, especially during the hellenistic period, when philosophy seemed to focus on attaining "ataraxia" (peace of mind), philosophy actually served the role that psychology does for some people today. For example, if you were suffering in some way mentally, you might go to the Stoics and ask them to help you. They would proceed to tell you, using reason, how the universe works and, in light of this, what your position in it was and how you should act or behave according to it. The stoic would tell you that the only real good thing is virtue, which involves acting in accordance with nature/the will of Zeus. Everything that haplens in nature is natural, it was always mean to happen. It was fate. So, really, while you might feel sorrow because your mother passed away, there really is no good reason for your sorrow. She was always going to die at that time. What you should be is be indifferent to it. Because, according to stoicism, emotions are actually value judgments. And since virtue is the only real good (they, like epicureans, were value monists), you are making false value judgments by, for example, throwing a tantrum when you miss your train. Not that everyone could be a stoic sage, the point was to make the person realize this so they might free themselves of suffering.
Meanwhile, the Epicurean, I guess, would try and make you let go of your attachment to her because it only causes pain while also helping you get over your fear of death.
The skeptic would probably tell you that you don't know why this happened or if there is life after death or what you should do in this situation and that's all ok. Maybe grieving is a natural response, maybe it isn't. Do you know? Who cares?
To quote my philosophy professor " homoeroticism was a big thing among the Greeks"
I suggest reading some of the books of these philosophers, they are great.
Ibn Rushd
Ibn Khaldun
Al kandi
Ok and?
Too bad the cult of Islam killed any reputation those guys had in modern day...
I understand why they had to conform to it with some of what they said. If they spoke out they probably would have been... Done like Galileo...
It is hard to take philosophers seriously overall when they have to conform under the constraint of a cult.
You can no longer tell if they had to do it or if they agreed with the insanity of it.
This applies to the Greeks too and any who had to deal with that kind of irrational belief.
Like are we sure the eel come out of mud thing was true and not legend?
Was is due to following the irrationality of others believing in the unproven super natural?
I dunno so What i do is extract what makes sense and disregard the rest.
For example.
The idea Algorithms of make sense. It's inception by Al-Khwarizmi commendable. Believing you gotta circle a cube to not burn... and conforming to it... Not so much.
@@aziouss2863Must be miserable being on dick 24/7 when you get sent into a giant rant about Islam and religion the moment you see an Arabic name getting any kind of recognition 😂
Some Roman philosopher: you’re wrong, Plato, because-
Plato: maybe. But have you considered 💪🏽🗿
I mean, the uterus moving to the brain to cause hysteria is wrong but he was onto something there, considering the emotional fluctuations are caused by the effects of increased estrogen on the brain, which is mostly coming from the ovaries which while not technically a part of the uterus, they are close enough i guess
His proposed solution to the "wandering uterus" was pregnancy and/or enticing the organ back into place with fragrant substances
That's like saying bloodletting is close enough to modern medicine because they agreed that the bad stuff was in your blood. The four humours theory is not close to germ theory, the idea that the womb has the mobility of a wild animal is not close to anything about hormones.
Fun, tho would advise not using terms like "schyzo rambling" or other forms of warped psychological phenomena into insult
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Out of context, an outside listener would be concerned hearing this statment 😅
Reason why alot of these famous philosophers had alot of following was because everyone knows they're giga-learned. They didn't shy away from learning things. Today's "alpha males" would consider learning to be a beta mindset or something.
Hey ! Give Aristotle some space , he needed to vent after trying unsuccessfully to find eel's balls his all life for no results while his wife would scold him for dedicating more time to this than doing the house chores !
I don't know why I clicked on this, but I am not disappointed.
Plato is actually based for unironicaly flexing on people for disagreeing with him thoo
2:47 you didn't need to make the statue behind him broad too 😭😭😭
Calling Aristotle a scientist? Those are fighting words! His archaic ideas about natural law and how to understand it literally held back the progression scientific thought for thousands of years. Okay, I’m giving him a lot of credit, but still…. He was one of many who really pushed an agenda of coming up with a hypothetical explanation and either NEVER experimenting on it, or testing things out non-rigorously to support your hypotheses.
Dude he literally invented logic
@@maycsilvaalves fair. So stick to calling him a logician and/or a philosopher. I’d still be loathe to refer to him as a scientist.
@@mathmusicandlooks "Aristotle did not do experiments in the modern sense. He used the ancient Greek term pepeiramenoi to mean observations, or at most investigative procedures, such as (in Generation of Animals) finding a fertilised hen's egg of a suitable stage and opening it so as to be able to see the embryo's heart inside.
Instead, he practised a different style of science: systematically gathering data, discovering patterns common to whole groups of animals, and inferring possible causal explanations from these. This style is common in modern biology when large amounts of data become available in a new field, such as genomics. It does not result in the same certainty as experimental science, but it sets out testable hypotheses and constructs a narrative explanation of what is observed. In this sense, Aristotle's biology is scientific.
From the data he collected and documented, Aristotle inferred quite a number of rules relating the life-history features of the live-bearing tetrapods (terrestrial placental mammals) that he studied. Among these correct predictions are the following. Brood size decreases with (adult) body mass, so that an elephant has fewer young (usually just one) per brood than a mouse. Lifespan increases with gestation period, and also with body mass, so that elephants live longer than mice, have a longer period of gestation, and are heavier. As a final example, fecundity decreases with lifespan, so long-lived kinds like elephants have fewer young in total than short-lived kinds like mice."
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You're almost at 100K
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Great video but I keep getting distracted by the chibi avatar it’s so cute 🤣🥺
you are the best poopie, thank you for making this comparison, it seems very apt
And they are the only people from that time whose opinions we have preserved....
Alright, alright, I already liked ancient philosophers, you don't have to convince me more.
To elaborate on Plato's ideal of Platonic love, it's very likely to have stemmed from the Greek's overall cultural preference for Aestheticism AKA the philosophy of 'the tangible is cringe'.
Many Greek philosophers held that all things in concrete reality were a projection, or hologram, of an ideal form beyond the physical. This is why they could whip up things like the first steam engine and the Antikythera Mechanism, but could never translate that into getting more materialistic people (read: jocks) like the Persians or Romans to stop stomping on their faces and taking their lunch money like the nerds that they were. Just ask Archimedes, who got a spatha to the gut because some gym-bro was salty about his ship-flipping claw and mythical(?) heat-ray and stepped on his circles.
Basically, whenever the Ancient Greeks saw a thing that did a thing, they'd say 'that's cool, but have you considered the notion that a better version of that gizmo exists in the aether beyond your perception and that you're basically just playing catch-up to the Demiurge or whatever? LOL checkmate, tangible-chud!' Whereupon they would get beaten up and have their Gods stolen by a culture that acknowledged the logistical and physical superiority of iron.
Point is, Plato conceivably saw the love between a man and a woman as being inferior to the love between men, as hetero-pairings served a material function in the production of children. Platonic love, on the other hand, had no such extant function and was therefore an enlightened, ethereal pursuit of higher reasoning and big-brained love.
tl;dr
"fucking women is gay af lol"
~Plato, probably
a culture that acknowledged the logistical and physical superiority of iron. excellent.
Meanwhile prophets.
- Play trumpets so badly an entire town crumbles
- Manage to park their boat on a mountain
- Climb a column and can't get down
- Shady as F. Nobody believes them.
- Dabbled in Dream analysis
- Invented writing on walls 3000 years before someone came up with the word graffiti
- Are never salty, even if their wife is
-She was 9
@@yuumimaisfrancaise Why did I know someone would do that?
Congrats on the 100 000 k
I saw it from Soma's Facebook
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Plato was literally a gym bro
I love your videos. Your content made me laugh and get excited about things when I was real low. Thank you for your videos! Your takes are so spot on and your comedic timing is immaculate. Too bad about your wicked wandering woman womb. umu
5:12 I was completely distracted from everything you said after "butthole tanning" I feel like I was hit by the knob during fight club what the hell did I just see!
wow, I cant believe im saying this but... I would use the "they were just roommates" argument. I mean... at a time where people didnt know everything, you could actually just throw out ideas in fields that you knew nothing about and be right. Wich probaply also made philosophers massive dickheads at that time.
I legitimately have said this before. Good to see I am not entirely alone in this view.
Pythagoras having a triangle head took me ooouuuutt
If online tech/motivation bros actually understood Stoicism . . .
I will not take this Pythagoras slander. In this house we love and revere the majesty of numbers.
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Frankly, starting to flex your muscles at your interlocutor to win an argument is an alpha move imo
Hey man I just looked through your content you've been doing this for a while keep it up I'm going to keep watching
Diogenes fan club rise up!
I'd love to do a vid on just him, so sassy
The bad thing is that he may be a myth...
@@GrimmWitchands I just assume most ancient historical figures are a compilation/collab effort.
@@GrimmWitchands he has just as much a chance of being a myth as every other Philosopher of the time.
@@Ditchhead I'll grab my lantern and meet yall in the capital.
oooh forbidden Sam'o'nella episode reference
I love your videos. So underrated.
Still not sure how you get these video ideas tho 💀
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@@jack_kasper TikTok has so much brainrot though. For every 1 educational video on there, there's like 10-100 videos spreading misinformation and/or dangerous trends.
This has made my day, thank you for the delightfully funny and educational video 😂👍
Aristotle is a real internet personality: he spouts one thing while doing the exact opposite in his normal life. Either that or his wife was "one of the good ones."
Aristotle was based and redpilled
Your animations make me so happy
This was hilarious so thanks for making me laugh, lassie!
Real talk. If ancient philosophers are podcast dudes then who are the boss girls of history?
Probably the aristocrat women of Sparta
The point we should take away is that the idea of a human being without massive flaws is pure fantasy.
2:50 lmaooo that's the major armstrong from full metal alchemist mindset
I love it when people talk about both sides of an idol, person, hero, or Chtulu.
3:20 WHAT'S A fella GOTTA DO TO GET SOME EEL DIIIIIIIIII-
Solid reference😌
Diogenes looking at all of this in the corner and then proceeds to piss off Plato (or sometimes piss on people who called him a dog).
3:20 not the sam o’nella reference 😂
As someone who has had a deep loathing for Socrates for *years* along similar lines to these, you get it
I am a philosopher and I hate how much I agree with this
I am so mad
Your videos are always amusing
Another difference is that Greek Philosophers lived something like 5000 years ago and humanity was starting to study and learn some of that shit. Alpha males live today and we have science.
But those modern day guys refuse to listen to science.
still science related to human behaviour and sociology isnt as advanced as other sciences, in that aspects we could even say that we are at the same level as ancient people
What does this mean? Does it mean that their opinions are correct?@@reinodeforaminia8322
I think the reason we react so strongly to accidentally sharting is that there is a primordial fear of accidentally farting our soul out. Our body sharting is a way of getting ourselves to not die in this manner.
IT WAS AGES AGO. philosophy wasn't "philosophy", it was all science that there was. there wasn't any evidence. half the shit they said was guesswork anyway - a lot of it just happened to be sorrrta correct guesses. you can't blame plato for "giving his opinion on things he didn't know a lot about". how Could anyone know anything about it? and when u don't have evidence u just theorize so it makes sense. anyway funny idea, keep it up.
everywhere I go.. I see philosophers
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3:19 Forbidden Sam O'nella jumpscare
1:38 I mean, taking a lot more effort to be strong, fast and able to defend yourself and others, being able to go to toilet only sitting, and wanting to live a peaceful life but your body going "nuh-uh" every month, sounds rather unfortunate to me