Yep. Paul took me from being interested in guns and collecting to seriously thinking about ballistic performance and practical uses. He truly was the best.
The ability to remain objective about subject matters and where subjectivity comes into the picture, always remaining unemotional, factual as far as the stated parameters, and ultimately allowing viewers/listeners to think for themselves. That's the essence of a good instructor.
I just bought my first .45-70 firearm a couple of weeks ago - a (barely) used “JM” stamped Marlin 1895G Guide Gun manufactured in 2006 - the year before the infamous buyout. I got a great deal on the gun, and the former owner - a friend - had only ever fired 48 rounds through it. He threw in few boxes of some unspent ammo and empty cases in the deal. It is a REALLY nice classic Marlin. Now I *thought* I was no stranger to recoil, and I hadn’t yet fired a weapon that I would categorize as “unpleasant” to shoot; but I did find that Marlin to be almost too much gun for me. Now, I’m an out-of-shape arthritic old man with an old rotator cuff injury in his shooting shoulder; even so I have not had a problem shooting 12 gauge slugs, for instance. Certainly lighter calibers like .308 or .30-30 have been no problem for me. But .45-70 is bumping up against “too much” for me. I shot a mere 5 rounds of Winchester 300 grain Super-X, and my shoulder joint was still a little sore 3 or 4 days later. And that was just plinking at a steel target. I have yet to actually take it to a formal range, chrono the loads I have for it, zero it with my favorite, and then put the gun up until I go on a hunt. So for me, this is not a gun I’ll be shooting for just range plinking - although I am anxious to take it on a hog hunt down here in Texas where I live. Chuck Hawks has a very good article on his website about .45-70 ammo. He and others I’ve read so far say that *most* modern .45-70 loads are intentionally loaded down the black powder levels, PER SAAMI SPECS, for the very reason that there are so many people out there still shooting either antique guns, or replicas of antiques, where the action was never designed to handle the pressures generated by smokeless powder. Among the boxes of ammo that I received with my Marlin when I bought it are a couple boxes of that Buffalo Bore brand. Looking on their website, Buffalo Bore manufactures .45-70 in both standard SAAMI pressures, and in a “+P” pressure load. They state in plain English on their website that the +P should NOT be fired in Marlin actions older than 1970 manufacture. They ALSO state on their boxes and on the website what the velocities for all their .45-70 offerings should be for different barrel lengths. Personally, I don’t care to shoot any of that +P. Even though my rifle can handle it, I don’t think I can, and there just isn’t anything I’m likely to shoot at my age that needs that much medicine. So next week sometime, I’m going to take it to the range and chrono the the following loads: 300 grain Winchester Super-X, 325 grain Hornady FTX LEVERevolution, 350 grain Buffalo Bore “8C/20” (they claim 2060 fps in a Marlin Guide Gun.....we’ll see about that), and some 405 grain Remington Express Rifle. I know that Paul isn’t a big fan of “Buscadero Ticondas” (LOL), but when I chrono’d several different .30-30 loads and shot for groups with my other Marlin, I got best results overall with the 160 grain LEVERevolution, followed (barely) by the 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt; so I am curious to see how the LEVERevolution will stack up in .45-70. But I am NOT anxious to shoot the 405 grain Remington Express Rifle. I’m just too old and gimpy to take much more of a beating. Anyway, thanks again Paul for a great video.
I love the 45-70 and have a couple of them. Buddy of mine is a huge 45-70 fan and reloads. Hardest I’ve ever been kicked was some of his “hot reloads” in a single shot Handi rifle. 3 shots and I was done. Next morning maybe shoulder was purple. I still love the 45-70 hard to argue with a round that’s been around for 150 years!
All great channels for different reasons. Iraqvet8888 has those meltdown videos and old barry vids(rip) and hickok45 has so many types of guns and that awesome gong. This channel is great because Paul has that jacket.
It's why a lot of us enjoy his videos. We're all kind of sick of the brainless, camo-wearing, tacti-cool alpha-male "operators" out there. It's also why Hickok45's channel is huge. It's lighthearted, informative, and fun.
Yes, i load similar velocity for my .45-70 with the same bullet. It kicks, but its quite amazing what a 405 grain hardcast bullet can shoot through. Anyone who thinks a shotgun slug and a .45-70 are the same, have no idea what they are talking about. The .45-70 is very much a different round.
@@TheKingcougar A typical 3" magnum 12-gauge slug is 1 oz. (437.5 grains) at 1,760 fps, for 3,010 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy, making it way more powerful than standard .45-70 loads, but not quite as powerful as the Buffalo Bore rounds from Paul's Rifle (405-grain bullet at 1,900 fps = 3,247 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy). However, the .45-70 has way higher sectional density than a 1 oz. 12-gauge slug, which translates to far better penetration, which makes the .45-70 far more suitable for bigger game with thicker skin. A 12-gauge, 1 oz. slug has a section density of 0.118, which is pathetic. A 405-grain .458" diameter bullet has a sectional density of 0.276, which is good enough for anything in North America, but for the really big and thick-skinned game in, e.g., Africa, you'd want a sectional density of at least 0.330, which, for a .45-70 would mean a 485-grain bullet. Buffalo Bore makes a 500-grain load (sectional density = 0.341) at 1,625 FPS from a 22-inch barrel: www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=154 It's still pretty weak by African standards (like when compared to the big Nitro Express cartridges, for example, or even when compared to the "lighter" African big game cartridges like .416 Rigby or .458 Winchester Magnum), but with good shot placement it would down any critter on Earth.
I realize what your saying is correct, his statement was based on his belief that the 45/70 was much less lethal than s 5.56.. I understand some nut job would use an AK or AR for such a terrible event. I sold most of my AR's because I am a single shot fan and would NEVER want to use an AR for self defense as the media will make you look like a nut job.. I am fine with my 12 GA double barrel or my lever 45/70. Or my anemic 7 shot 45 911.
I have a # 1 in 45/70 and 458 Win mag. but I got robbed out of beautiful original trap door by dixie gun works many years ago. I shot pyrodex reloads in it with 300 grain bullets.. There is a GREAT black powder reloading book by Lyman and it gives smokeless replacement loads... Enjoy you shooting... I had a 45/120 Sharps I converted to non black powder because of the cost of the rifle.. Friend of mine had to have it back after I bought it and now I just miss it... Have a browning High wall and #1 in 45/70 like them both.
Yes, it is a smokeless powder with similar burn rates to black powder.. almost no one shoots black powder in high dollar guns.. Friend of mine makes very pricy black powder rifles and I think he only shoots smokeless through them. Mike Miller is his name beautiful rifles but 3 1/2 year back log.
Peterson might as well, think there a little better. I had one in a sharps style and it had 6 groves. 2 oz trigger on set trigger, would hold 1" @ 200 yards.. sold it to get a real Sharps and it is not as accurate but looks better.
I have a rifle from the civil war. It is near perfect condition and will shoot fine. my Springfield trap door shot well. I loaded it up with 300 gr non black powder.. When I traded it the guy at Dixie gun works told me there was a big problem with it. gave me $300 on trade.. 1 year later I went back to buy it back for a wall ornament.. He didn't remember me but I still had the serial number.. exact same gun nothing done he bragged about the condition and wanted $3200 for it.. I finally said don't you remember me, pulled the serial number and receipt for the trade out of my wallet and walked out.. I have an 1859 pistol that works perfect.. If I were you after owning all of these I would get a browning 45/70 or a Ruger #1 if it were me.. The trap door is weak and it is fun to plink.. But you can do this with the browning as well.. I think the browning will only go up in value because you can see the hammer. If I wanted a trap door I would go to a gun show and fine o real one for $600 to $1000. I never shoot my cilvil war rifles there actually my fathers. This will shock you but after the civil war they sent them to Afghanistan and places like that. There still in use today and work all these years later. I think there towers is the brand.. He bought them while on duty there and had them imported back..
Garrett manufactures the most powerful 45-70 rounds I've found to date. I took a Bison with their 540gr Hammerhead a fews years back using a Marlin 1895: 26" barrel. I never choreographed it, but the recoil was remarkable.
Remington just started loading two versions of 45-70. One in the classic chamber pressures (for old guns) and one at the 'newer' SAAMI max chamber pressure.
The SAAMI max chamber pressure as required by SAAMI is the old trap door spec. The hotter rounds like Buffalo bore, federal, and the hot Remington stuff is beyond SAAMI specs. SAAMI is not a government organization and cannot make nor enforce laws. An ammunition manufacturer does not have to follow SAAMI specs. That's why Underwood has blown up so many guns, the U.S. is the only country in the world with no proof laws, some guns are not factory test fired, and ammo companies can legally load whatever they want.
Paul:Interestingly I did the exact same comparison with the Buffalo Bore ammo. My Browning 1886 (Miroku) and my BFR 45-70.1886 average 2130, BFR 1648. 90 degree summer day. Pretty close to your estimates.
Joe Scalet very interesting...about 700fps loss on what (in the rifle) was slightly above 2100fps....a solid one-third loss (give or take a few fps). Makes me wonder if the BFR barrel is 1/3 the length of the rifle's barrel. I.E. is it a linear relationship to length. 🤔🤔
I had an 1886, and i have an 1885 falling block 45-70 but it came out of a house fire and im not sure if it can handle the hot loads but hornady 325 r hell on deer
I bought a .45-70 Gov't single shot rifle largely due to Paul's video(s) on the caliber. I have started reloading for it and it has become one of my favorite rifles. I don't own a BFR, but I checked one out at my local gun shop. Those things are impressive. They seem to be very well made and the one I held had an excellent trigger. If I ever have the spare funds, I'm definitely buying one.
They're fun guns! I bought a BFR because of Fallout New Vegas. And at the time, I did not think it would become one of my favourite revolvers. I just wanted "That gun from the game" but it's become one of my favourites, and I take it out a couple times a year at local range. It's a great gun. Hope you got a BFR in the 4 years since this comment!
That part of the video when he says "you might ask , what the hell am I doing".... that was some funny shit there. Anyway on a serious note, I really enjoy your videos and all the info I get from them. Thanks Paul.
William Spears , It is kinda self defeating. 45/70 loads NEED the bbl length to maximize their charge. I had both the 1895 regular length rifles & the USELESS "Guide guns". which chronied out at 200 FPS LESS. Shorter bbls kick WAY harder & lots of muzzle flash. My 44 mag loads hit harder than this dumb assed hand cannon do.
Derek Foster , Thats what I just said bud. The 45/70 NEEDS the longer bbl length to fully utalize its powder charge. In a short bbl handgun it hasent even started its powder burnout. I think you/I are saying the same thing in different words. My hot Alaskan 44 loads are 320 grain slugs exiting bbl at 1300 FPS as vs the standard 44 mag 240 grain slugs at 900 FPS. Far as I know only Rugers can handle that hot of a load. Its a HARD/HEAVY kicker that REQUIRES the soft rubber Packmeyer grips or it will break your wrists. But when u have a grizzly or a moose charging down on you ones adrenalyn is sooo pumped you hardly even notice the recoil. In my 45/70 I loaded 420 grain hard cast WFNs pumped up to 2100 FPS. Almost 6000 lbs of energy out of the muzzle, Almost 458s but w rapid fire capabilities of a lever gun whiich is VERY necessary in case of multiple bear encounters. I lived Alaskan bush for 27 years, had lots of encounters but never needed more than 1 shot w my 45/70 420 WFN hot loads. Only had 1 encounter w the 44 thou, charging moose up close, emptied 5 rounds into his chest 4 of which traveled through sternam/heart & full length of beast & put last round through both shoulders jumping sideways to avoid being stomped & THAT finally knocked the moose over. Found all 5 head on shot slugs just under the hide on rear flanks. The sideways shoulder shot was a complete passthrough shattering both shoulders. Only shot one bear point blank w the 44 in the chest, round went straight through heart & shattered the spine exiting. It was dead before it hit the ground. But, THAT was only a 6 ft blackie. Last griz I killed was at 4 ft w a 243 & an 80 grain blitz round (emergency shot). Slug went through a rib & exploded in the bears heart dropping him at my feet. But that was also only a small 6 ft griz. THAT shot was Divine intervention! Normally wouldnt even dream of shooting ANY griz w a 243 except at longer range w me up a treestand out of its reach.
Stated velocities by the manufacturer are optimistic to say the least. Weather is indeed a factor. Velocities are obtained in a test lab, perfect conditions, with a barrel that probably got thoroughly cleaned between each shot, fired on very high quality bench rest equipment. Cartridges fired were each weighed & measured to ensure product met the manufacturing control plan. Reload. Then you control the variables. Fun stuff !!
That's a lot of recoil on that BFR, It reminds me of a story my father told me when I was young. He said a friend of his let him shoot a gun, I believe it was called a 500 Nitro Express, { but don't quote me on that} He said the Kick was not so Bad, it was the 20ft he had to walk to pick the Rifle back up that bothered him,,
Thanks, It seems too many people don't understand that if you have a "need for speed" buy a rifle. What may bring home the point would be 357mag shot from a Marlin lever, 8" revolver, 4" revolver and a snub nose.
A couple of my friends, Stumpy and Lefty, swear by Buffalo Bore ammo, regardless of what firearm they use ! The moral of this story : Wise words at 7:00...Choose your ammo wisely.
I bought some 45/70 ammo for my BFR 45/70 8 inch barrel. After I bought it I read on the box not for revolvers. So after some research I found out you can shoot it in a BFR 45/70. Thanks for the video you always have good information
The first time I shot the BFR I thought I might not make it through the five rounds in the gun. But you get used to it quickly. The real thing is it is supremely loud. I wear ear plugs even when I hunt with it.
Mr Harrel, I gravitate towards Winchester,. The same way you gravitate to Remington. I'm still sour over the 50ct box of misloaded golden sabre bonded that they refused to replace. I just can't let it go. And when your self defense ammo goes click and no bang after you've carried it for months, gives a man Goosebumps. Winchester has always been there for me. Their Ranger LE ammo, and silvertips makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Year's ago I acquired a 1884 Lee Enfield in 303 Cal. At that time I was just learning about reloading and Black powder shooting. My go-to deer gun was a custom-built 308 and for bigger game my 30-06. Anyway back to this 1884 Lee 303. Cartridge. I wanted to know if it was safe to fire. So off I went with my bench gear and sand bags. Set this thing up slid a 303 lee Enfield cartridge in it. Raped a string around the trigger went back 25 yards hide behind a good-sized tree set up a minor so that I could watch tugged on the string it went of like thunder jumped a bit but the sandbags did their job. I visually inspected the rile it appeared to have no added defects. Upon ejecting the cartridge. Well, it didn't. I didn't want to cause any damage to the extractors or the marlin-type lever. So off I went to a very talented gunsmith to see if he had any suggestions. After a throw inspection, he put a cleaning rod down the barrel he taped on the end while I applied some pressure on the lever after some time with the increasing presser and taping out came the cartridge and intact, no cracks. You could imagine the pressure needed to press that cartridge in that breach that tightly. John the gunsmith examined the rifle again then abruptly threw it at me in a horizontal fashion. I was shocked at his action. When he asked me if after my knowledge of black powder and my skill and knowledge of reloading. Did I think they used smokless powdered when they made that rifle? He was angry and let me know it. However, he was glad I used some good ideas with a bench mount and sandbags hiding behind the tree. The barrel displayed a crown that is used on a Douglas premium barrel that was probably the saving grace. Did a go-no-go test then said I gave that barrel one hell of a test but the barrel seemed to have handled it? Please be throw out there stay safe if you are unsure do not hesitate to ask someone who knows. My friend John would have been happy to talk about the old rifle and make my first test-fire as safe as possible.
Hi Paul. Bruce here again from PA. I just love the 45-70 caliber. My first was an old Siamese Mauser re-barreled to 45-70. Now I have a Ruger # 3. But I sorta turned it into a Ruger # 2, by re-stocking it with a brand new Ruger # 1 stock set. The Pistol grip and the recoil pad really helped with the stiff recoil of my handloads. Its nice that Hornady has three sets of reloading data in its manuals for old rifles, lever guns, and Ruger single shots.
Ive got friends that use buffalo bore ammo in their pistols. Ive tried to warn them about the pressures that some of this ammo produces, but most of them blow me off because they want "the hottest ammo they can find". Thanks for the video. Needless to say, i dont go to the range with these guys anymore. Lol
Paul Harrell exactly. Two of them are firing it in glocks that arent even rated for +p. One uses a 9mm model 19 and the other uses a 45acp, i forget which model. I did my due diligence and tried to warn them, but im sure youre familiar with the type of mentality i was trying to get through to.
Hard Target SOME +p meets saami, not all Can I use +P and +P+ ammunition? Glock suggests using ammunition that is manufactured and meets SAAMI or industry specifications. If you are not sure the ammunition brand or type you choose is safe for use, call the ammunition manufacturer and ask if the product meets SAAMI guidelines before using it in you firearm. Some +P ammunition meets these guidelines, +P+ normally does not. This ammunition may generate a higher pressure over the standard loadings, and may shorten the component life of your firearm.
02cents , Know the feeling. As a teen my idiot friend took his fathers old damascus steel black powder shotgun out dove hunting. Only had a few old brass jacketed shotgun shells for it that worked fine. When he ran out of thoes he loaded modern high brass magnum shells. I TOLD that dumbass not to but he wouldnt listen so I stayed 20 yards behind him. Sure as hell that dumbass fired on the next bird we jumped & blew the damn gun up! Took out 1 eye, half his cheek & 3 fingers. And then I had to drag his unconcious ass 2 miles back to our truck & then to hosp. He barely survived!! Not to mention destroying a $5000 collectors peice. STUPID really does HURT!!!
Full power .45-70 and .444 are both cranking. I’ve always dreamed of building a marlin guide gun, stainless with walnut but with a full length mag tube and peep sights. Just hard to let the money go.
"Now you might ask, what the hell am I doing?" Lololol Paul should do a video walking into random places with the same get up on and asking the same question to see people's reaction. Not a bank though that's not advised.
I want a BFR in 30/30. The 30/30 makes a fantastic pistol round. I shot one quite a few times in a Thompson Contender my friend had. I could hit pop cans at 200 yards pretty regularly, it did have a 3x scope. He loaded it with 180 grain spire-tip bullets. Great round! Especially for a large handgun lover.
Paul A lots of ignorance people out there have no idea about PSI Kinetic energy powder charge etc etc So don't worry amigo we know how much you know In fact I have learned a LOTS with you to me you are a BRAIN WIKI GUN GRACIAS 👍😊☝ I'm going to gunsmith school this year
My wife bought me a marlin 1895 in 4570 28 years ago. I love that gun. It drops a deer where it stands whether I shoot the Remington 405 flat nose or 325 grain hollow points. This year I'm trying the Hornady 325 grain lever revolution ammo. I'm getting 1 inch groups at 110 yds consistently.
I find it interesting that a lot of people only talk about velocity and noting about energy transference. At least from my perspective as being taught about firearms and ammo in Sweden, we focus a lot more on bullet weight and the energy transference rather than on just velocity. Great video non the less!
I think Paul covers the energy aspect in his videos via. results rather than computation by showing damage to the 'meat/water mellon/skin' targets present in many of his videos. Computationally, it is pretty easy E=.5 * M * V^2. Since we in the U.S. are backwards in that we've FAILED to adopt the metric system, we have to adjust for our misconceived equivalence of pound-force versus pound-mass. Hence, to normalize the equation, we have to divide by 'g' (the gravitational acceleration). That value is approximately 32.2 feet/Second^2 We also have to adjust for the arbitrary use of 'grains' as a unit of weight. There are 7000 grains/pound. So, for example, if we have a 230 grain bullet traveling at 950 feet/second, it's corresponding energy in foot pounds (versus the metric 'Joule') is; E = .5 * ((230/7000)/32.2) * (950^2) = 461 foot-pounds There are approximately 1.356 Joules per ft-lbf, so this corresponds to 625 Joules
Always get a kick ( pun intended ) watching this presentation. Total agreement as to being cautious with ammo that is clearly loaded above original standard specs. That's how so many wildcatters blew up guns in the pursuit of superior performance. The respective legends of P.O. Ackley and Elmer Keith are at the top of that list. Certain there are many others that exceeded the limits of guns and ammunition otherwise we would not have rounds such as the .357 Magnum or .300 Weatherby, ad astra.
I could watch this guy talk about literally anything. Luck for me he has a huge interest in firearms, ammunition and ballistics. Good show bud, good show.
Great video! I've used the .444 for many years and always preferred it to the 45 70. The ammo available today for the .444 makes it quite versatile and much more than the "Brush Gun" title it's been stuck with. Nothing against the 45 70 but I can knock down any big game animal in North America at greater distances with the .444.
Having just found this, and having just recently acquired both a Marlin 1895 CB and a BFR .45-70 7.5", I feel the need to get together with my friends and do exactly the kind of testing Paul is asking about.
Got to love Paul. He'll spend a day at the range just to prove troll comments wrong - for the public good, frankly - and look like a gentleman doing it. Keep up the great work, Paul. Discovered your channel a few days ago and have had it on auto-play practically ever since.
your wearing 5.11 pants. there the best in fact i can't figure out what to do with all the pockets. I carry a FN 5.7 or a Sig 357 mag. love your videos. your raising my vocabulary level and sense of humor.
POOR PIRANO only dumbasses don't care about grammar, and chances are it's because you're iq levels are to low to retain the knowledge , and regurgitate all those big words. But ya we are brainless for spelling correctly. Lol. You're a real superstar kiddo. Take care Einstein.
Tim Douglass , Learn to reload. Its WAY cheaper & you can do amazing things w a Marlin 1895 (NOT the useless guide gun) 45/70. Ive reloaded 1000s of rounds, mostly for 45/70 & 44 mag & just be sure to NEVER EXCEED the maximum charge for what loadbooks say. Theres TONS of info/supplies avaliable & make sure to use digital scales. The "gravity" ones are too unreliable. Another bit of advise, NEVER use someone elses reloads unless you KNOW they dont have their heads up their asses & do PRECISION work. Always make sure YOUR gun is compatable w your loads. Example, +P loads are TOO HOT for some guns. Best part, reloads, properly done, actually outperform factory stuff.
While working at one of the nation's largest outdoors retailers, I had a customer come in with a bandaged head and face, looking for a certain type of 338 Lapua ammo. The bandages? He tried loading his own. Exploded his rifle using a load that was commonly recommended online for making his handloads a bit more "hot". Take Paul's words very seriously when he mentions the capabilities older rifles vs. modern ammunition. It is absolutely no joke, and you could pay the ultimate price for such a mistake.
love the 45/70. I keep my 300 grain handloads at 1500fps though. easy on the shoulder, accurate, and still enough juice to handle black bear in Tennessee. no need for over kill. your video is spot on about velocity. all true
Good job, Paul! Too many folks today think their gun gives superior ballistics when in fact, they don't! I had a friend tell me once his uncle repeatedly split a round ball on an axe blade at 3,000 yards. I hated to burst his bubble about his uncle so I told him gently, most likely it was 300 feet. Some folks are just, well, gullible I suppose. Thanks again for the video...as always!
109 people are getting the manufacturer's advertised velocities without using a chronograph and simply because they can read the label, therefore disliked your video. Thanks for showing us what's what like always. 👍
Good informative video. Let's go to the other end of the power spectrum: take the ongoing arguments of .22 rimfire (.22 long rifle) vs. .25 ACP for pocket pistols: when making that comparison people often quote that the .22 long rifle cartridge has more velocity and muzzle energy than the .25 ACP. However invariably the quoted velocity/energy for .22 long rifle is based on data when fired from rifle-length test barrels; vs. the quoted data for .25 ACP is based on short, pistol length barrels. That's a 'apples compared to oranges' comparison. When the .22 long rifle is fired out of typical 'pocket pistol' length barrels, the velocity/energy data is virtually the same as .25 ACP fired out of the same length barrel. Similar velocity/energy differences for rifle cartridges fired out of handguns. Still: the .45-70 and .444 Marlin cartridges fired out of handguns pack quite a wallop.
Since .22 rimfires, and .25acp came up Again : In micro guns of the same size & bbl length , the .25 is expected to have more power . ( Not withstanding the slowest lot ever mfg of .25 vs a really fast lot of .22lr meeting in the middle .) .22lr from " normal size field guns " have markedly more power than .25acp . .22lr from 4in revolver has more velocity/ energy than .22WMR from mini revolver or deringer . .22WMR from 5.5- 6.5 in bbl is seriously potent , with 40gr vels running 1300- 1400 fps , a very under rated combination . ( Source - Having chrono'ed a crap ton of various .22lr and 22WMR .)
Man that was awesome. Nothing like my shoulder hurt. But I am the Firearms guy. Then some people ask me to shoot big guns. And then I hand them my 45-70 with 405 grain. Two days later I get a phone call my shoulder hurts.
The 45-70 is a fantastic rifle round. I shoot 300 grain Remington hollow points and their 405 grain flat nose. Either one has dropped every deer exactly where it was standing. I love that marlin 45-70 of mine!
Speculations are spot on! I have both a number of 45/70 rifles, including two doubles and a Marlin guide gun, as well as two pistols chambered in 45/70, a Phelps Heritage, and a BFR. The Phelps has an 8" bbl, and the BFR a 10 inch tube. Both pistols shoot my hand loads made up using cast, gas checked bullets over varying amounts of H4198. That powder is slow enough to function well in the guide gun but fast enough to work in the pistols. Regular Remington / Winchester / 45/70 rounds are worthless in the pistols, as they are made up with powders suitable only to rifle-length bbls. BTW, the ballistics touted by Remington for those 405 grainers were no doubt achieved out of an 1873 Springfield with a 32" bbl!
Hi Paul. I like your common sense approach. You have a new subscriber. I'm going to suggest to you an interesting and fun to shoot .45-70 load for those that handload, but first the caveat: Read the entire comment before deciding if you'd like to try it. I've owned a multitude of rifles, shotguns and handguns over my lifetime in several calibers and gauges and handloaded all of them except rimfire. I started competing with guns at the age of twelve until my late thirties. I think it would be safe to say I've had more experience than the "average" shooting enthusiast. I used to collect "Handloaders Digest" from gun shows whenever I could find them. I had most but not all of the editions published. The load I'm sharing came from one that I think was published in the sixties. Perhaps one of your many viewers can help. My memory is fading in my old age and I haven't shot a .45-70 since the early '80s. This is a very low pressure load that should be safe to use in any rifle or handgun, even weak actions such as the older Trapdoors. I found it fun to use when plinking jackrabbits in Alberta but was also fun to surprise the guys at the range with a .45-70 "shotgun." Take five shots but have 15 holes in the target. Very simply, the load is 3 .457 round lead balls over 9 grains of Unique powder. Velocity from a rifle is around 1100 fps and in my Marlin provided MOPP (minute of paper plate) accuracy at 40 yards. I know the powder was Unique and I'm pretty certain of the weight but can't swear to it because I'm trying to remember from a very long time ago. I also made rounds that contained only one round ball. That differed only that I used a piece of card stock on the powder to separate it from Cream of Wheat cereal that I used to fill the void between the powder and ball. Use a normal crimp on the circumference of the ball to finish. Those loads had no recoil and little report so my kids could enjoy shooting the .45-70 as well.
Pual, just gotta say again thank you for another fantastic, down to earth, no BS video. I hope you're staying safe in all the insanity we're experiencing in the world right now, sir.
I had to write a comment on Demolition Ranch on his BFR episode where he compared the 500 magnum revolver to the 45-70 BFR and flat out said the 45-70 had more energy than the 500 magnum because he was reading the advertised velocity and energy. I went on to point out the barrel length and advertised energy was based on longer than 10inches he was using. I didn't know about this video at that time or I would have referenced it to make my point. Like all the videos ive seen so far this was accurate and good..keep it up Paul.
My most powerful pistol is a 357 magnum. I live in NY where the biggest animal is a black bear. I don't need hand held artillery but it's fun watching other people shoot it!
Hey Paul, I would like to purchase a Trijicon ACOG for my Marlin 1895. I think that it would be a good pairing. As I am sure you already know they usually have reticles for a particular caliber. Would a 7.62x39’s trajectory or a 300 blackout’s trajectory be closer to a Hornady 45-70 leverevolution. I have researched it but have not reached a conclusion. I would really value your opinion on the matter.
He is what you would call a professional. R.I.P. Paul Harrell, you taught me everything i know about guns.
Yep. Paul took me from being interested in guns and collecting to seriously thinking about ballistic performance and practical uses. He truly was the best.
Paul could easily be a professor. Good voice, sense of humor, good tone/cadence. Oh, and NOT arrogant.
agreed, probably his military training helped him be this good at teaching
The ability to remain objective about subject matters and where subjectivity comes into the picture, always remaining unemotional, factual as far as the stated parameters, and ultimately allowing viewers/listeners to think for themselves. That's the essence of a good instructor.
I read this comment the way he speaks lol.
He reminds me a lot my old language teacher from school who spent 40 years in the army before.
"every gun in these videos belongs to me or belongs to one of my colleagues" Dang, them's some heavily armed dentists! =P
My dentist was Rusty Ulmer. His brother is Dr Randy Ulmer. Both famous shooters / hunters from Arizona!
Guess it's Paul Harrell and Doc Holiday, most dangerous dentists ever!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGYHPdMkt
@@chuckmiller5763 I am actually gonna look them up, love hearing about local things
@@Paid2Win Just googled Randy Ulmer, he is still kicking. www.randyulmer.com/
Paul Harrell 2017-2018 Gun Guy of the Year, hands down!
@TiglathPileser3 Binge watch lol!
Found him end of July 2020
I just bought my first .45-70 firearm a couple of weeks ago - a (barely) used “JM” stamped Marlin 1895G Guide Gun manufactured in 2006 - the year before the infamous buyout. I got a great deal on the gun, and the former owner - a friend - had only ever fired 48 rounds through it. He threw in few boxes of some unspent ammo and empty cases in the deal. It is a REALLY nice classic Marlin.
Now I *thought* I was no stranger to recoil, and I hadn’t yet fired a weapon that I would categorize as “unpleasant” to shoot; but I did find that Marlin to be almost too much gun for me. Now, I’m an out-of-shape arthritic old man with an old rotator cuff injury in his shooting shoulder; even so I have not had a problem shooting 12 gauge slugs, for instance. Certainly lighter calibers like .308 or .30-30 have been no problem for me. But .45-70 is bumping up against “too much” for me. I shot a mere 5 rounds of Winchester 300 grain Super-X, and my shoulder joint was still a little sore 3 or 4 days later. And that was just plinking at a steel target. I have yet to actually take it to a formal range, chrono the loads I have for it, zero it with my favorite, and then put the gun up until I go on a hunt. So for me, this is not a gun I’ll be shooting for just range plinking - although I am anxious to take it on a hog hunt down here in Texas where I live.
Chuck Hawks has a very good article on his website about .45-70 ammo. He and others I’ve read so far say that *most* modern .45-70 loads are intentionally loaded down the black powder levels, PER SAAMI SPECS, for the very reason that there are so many people out there still shooting either antique guns, or replicas of antiques, where the action was never designed to handle the pressures generated by smokeless powder.
Among the boxes of ammo that I received with my Marlin when I bought it are a couple boxes of that Buffalo Bore brand. Looking on their website, Buffalo Bore manufactures .45-70 in both standard SAAMI pressures, and in a “+P” pressure load. They state in plain English on their website that the +P should NOT be fired in Marlin actions older than 1970 manufacture. They ALSO state on their boxes and on the website what the velocities for all their .45-70 offerings should be for different barrel lengths. Personally, I don’t care to shoot any of that +P. Even though my rifle can handle it, I don’t think I can, and there just isn’t anything I’m likely to shoot at my age that needs that much medicine.
So next week sometime, I’m going to take it to the range and chrono the the following loads: 300 grain Winchester Super-X, 325 grain Hornady FTX LEVERevolution, 350 grain Buffalo Bore “8C/20” (they claim 2060 fps in a Marlin Guide Gun.....we’ll see about that), and some 405 grain Remington Express Rifle. I know that Paul isn’t a big fan of “Buscadero Ticondas” (LOL), but when I chrono’d several different .30-30 loads and shot for groups with my other Marlin, I got best results overall with the 160 grain LEVERevolution, followed (barely) by the 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt; so I am curious to see how the LEVERevolution will stack up in .45-70. But I am NOT anxious to shoot the 405 grain Remington Express Rifle. I’m just too old and gimpy to take much more of a beating.
Anyway, thanks again Paul for a great video.
You need to try black hills gold ammo 405 grain shoots smoother than that Winchester ammo
Aside from Paul's knowledge he impresses me by his lecturing style.
Can you call me on my channel. I have an idea. Dermot O'Reilly on UA-cam
Paul Harrell is top notch. A true technician when it comes to firearms.
He's a Marine man, best of the best
He's watcha call an 'expert' !
21k subs and growing. It seems like his channel is FINALLY beginning to get the respect it deserves.
35k now :D
89k now....should be 890k.
93K now, growing fast.
I like his video's. One of the best channels about firearms. Always a pleasure to watch this stuff.
105k and growing...
I love the 45-70 and have a couple of them. Buddy of mine is a huge 45-70 fan and reloads. Hardest I’ve ever been kicked was some of his “hot reloads” in a single shot Handi rifle. 3 shots and I was done. Next morning maybe shoulder was purple. I still love the 45-70 hard to argue with a round that’s been around for 150 years!
Best gun channel on YT.
cdavidlake2 I second that motion!!!!
This guy's awesome, but I must respectfully say that Hickok45 is in fact the best.
Iraqveteran8888 is also a great channel.
All great channels for different reasons. Iraqvet8888 has those meltdown videos and old barry vids(rip) and hickok45 has so many types of guns and that awesome gong. This channel is great because Paul has that jacket.
I have to disagree very slightly. This channel is great because it has...Paul.
wow, an actual non-jackass gun video with a guy who has a functioning brain. good.
It's why a lot of us enjoy his videos. We're all kind of sick of the brainless, camo-wearing, tacti-cool alpha-male "operators" out there. It's also why Hickok45's channel is huge. It's lighthearted, informative, and fun.
Don’t hate baby-face
@@pythonman8103 You mean James Yeager? That fucking moron?
The general rule is avoid any bald guy with a douchebag goatee. You won't believe how far that goes in life
I also like Iraqveteran8888
405gr hardcast bullet at 1600 fps is enough for anything in North America. I love reloading 45-70 it's such a versatile cartridge.
I'd say a 405gr bullet at 1000 fps is good enough for all of North America. 405gr at 1600 is good enough for all of Earth
you are absolutely correct. I love my 45/70 my favorite round.
That´s a lotta damage
Yes, i load similar velocity for my .45-70 with the same bullet. It kicks, but its quite amazing what a 405 grain hardcast bullet can shoot through. Anyone who thinks a shotgun slug and a .45-70 are the same, have no idea what they are talking about. The .45-70 is very much a different round.
@@TheKingcougar A typical 3" magnum 12-gauge slug is 1 oz. (437.5 grains) at 1,760 fps, for 3,010 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy, making it way more powerful than standard .45-70 loads, but not quite as powerful as the Buffalo Bore rounds from Paul's Rifle (405-grain bullet at 1,900 fps = 3,247 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy).
However, the .45-70 has way higher sectional density than a 1 oz. 12-gauge slug, which translates to far better penetration, which makes the .45-70 far more suitable for bigger game with thicker skin. A 12-gauge, 1 oz. slug has a section density of 0.118, which is pathetic. A 405-grain .458" diameter bullet has a sectional density of 0.276, which is good enough for anything in North America, but for the really big and thick-skinned game in, e.g., Africa, you'd want a sectional density of at least 0.330, which, for a .45-70 would mean a 485-grain bullet. Buffalo Bore makes a 500-grain load (sectional density = 0.341) at 1,625 FPS from a 22-inch barrel:
www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=154
It's still pretty weak by African standards (like when compared to the big Nitro Express cartridges, for example, or even when compared to the "lighter" African big game cartridges like .416 Rigby or .458 Winchester Magnum), but with good shot placement it would down any critter on Earth.
A friend of mine told me we didn't need guns as powerful as the 5.56 AR15 but a 45/70 is just fine. No Joke the media misleads us all I guess.
I realize what your saying is correct, his statement was based on his belief that the 45/70 was much less lethal than s 5.56.. I understand some nut job would use an AK or AR for such a terrible event. I sold most of my AR's because I am a single shot fan and would NEVER want to use an AR for self defense as the media will make you look like a nut job.. I am fine with my 12 GA double barrel or my lever 45/70. Or my anemic 7 shot 45 911.
I have a # 1 in 45/70 and 458 Win mag. but I got robbed out of beautiful original trap door by dixie gun works many years ago. I shot pyrodex reloads in it with 300 grain bullets.. There is a GREAT black powder reloading book by Lyman and it gives smokeless replacement loads... Enjoy you shooting... I had a 45/120 Sharps I converted to non black powder because of the cost of the rifle.. Friend of mine had to have it back after I bought it and now I just miss it... Have a browning High wall and #1 in 45/70 like them both.
Yes, it is a smokeless powder with similar burn rates to black powder.. almost no one shoots black powder in high dollar guns.. Friend of mine makes very pricy black powder rifles and I think he only shoots smokeless through them. Mike Miller is his name beautiful rifles but 3 1/2 year back log.
Peterson might as well, think there a little better. I had one in a sharps style and it had 6 groves. 2 oz trigger on set trigger, would hold 1" @ 200 yards.. sold it to get a real Sharps and it is not as accurate but looks better.
I have a rifle from the civil war. It is near perfect condition and will shoot fine. my Springfield trap door shot well. I loaded it up with 300 gr non black powder.. When I traded it the guy at Dixie gun works told me there was a big problem with it. gave me $300 on trade.. 1 year later I went back to buy it back for a wall ornament.. He didn't remember me but I still had the serial number.. exact same gun nothing done he bragged about the condition and wanted $3200 for it.. I finally said don't you remember me, pulled the serial number and receipt for the trade out of my wallet and walked out.. I have an 1859 pistol that works perfect.. If I were you after owning all of these I would get a browning 45/70 or a Ruger #1 if it were me.. The trap door is weak and it is fun to plink.. But you can do this with the browning as well.. I think the browning will only go up in value because you can see the hammer. If I wanted a trap door I would go to a gun show and fine o real one for $600 to $1000. I never shoot my cilvil war rifles there actually my fathers. This will shock you but after the civil war they sent them to Afghanistan and places like that. There still in use today and work all these years later. I think there towers is the brand.. He bought them while on duty there and had them imported back..
Lol old school Paul Harrell in 480P. Awesome.
When Paul's putting on the heavy safety gear, one would be wise to pay attention.
Extremely well done. Smart, detailed and to the point.
Sacrificing the body for science.
Thank you Paul.
Garrett manufactures the most powerful 45-70 rounds I've found to date.
I took a Bison with their 540gr Hammerhead a fews years back using a Marlin 1895: 26" barrel. I never choreographed it, but the recoil was remarkable.
Remington just started loading two versions of 45-70. One in the classic chamber pressures (for old guns) and one at the 'newer' SAAMI max chamber pressure.
The SAAMI max chamber pressure as required by SAAMI is the old trap door spec. The hotter rounds like Buffalo bore, federal, and the hot Remington stuff is beyond SAAMI specs. SAAMI is not a government organization and cannot make nor enforce laws. An ammunition manufacturer does not have to follow SAAMI specs. That's why Underwood has blown up so many guns, the U.S. is the only country in the world with no proof laws, some guns are not factory test fired, and ammo companies can legally load whatever they want.
Paul:Interestingly I did the exact same comparison with the Buffalo Bore ammo. My Browning 1886 (Miroku) and my BFR 45-70.1886 average 2130, BFR 1648. 90 degree summer day. Pretty close to your estimates.
Joe Scalet very interesting...about 700fps loss on what (in the rifle) was slightly above 2100fps....a solid one-third loss (give or take a few fps). Makes me wonder if the BFR barrel is 1/3 the length of the rifle's barrel. I.E. is it a linear relationship to length. 🤔🤔
Interesting to know. I also have an 1886, the Winchester Miroku take down, and a Super 16” Contender, but I haven’t chronographed.
I had an 1886, and i have an 1885 falling block 45-70 but it came out of a house fire and im not sure if it can handle the hot loads but hornady 325 r hell on deer
I bought a .45-70 Gov't single shot rifle largely due to Paul's video(s) on the caliber. I have started reloading for it and it has become one of my favorite rifles. I don't own a BFR, but I checked one out at my local gun shop. Those things are impressive. They seem to be very well made and the one I held had an excellent trigger. If I ever have the spare funds, I'm definitely buying one.
They're fun guns! I bought a BFR because of Fallout New Vegas. And at the time, I did not think it would become one of my favourite revolvers. I just wanted "That gun from the game" but it's become one of my favourites, and I take it out a couple times a year at local range. It's a great gun. Hope you got a BFR in the 4 years since this comment!
I love that one part Paul. "You might be wondering what the hell I'm doing..." Common sense? really made me laugh the way you said it
Com'on have some sense instead of common sense in your case. ^^
That part of the video when he says "you might ask , what the hell am I doing".... that was some funny shit there. Anyway on a serious note, I really enjoy your videos and all the info I get from them. Thanks Paul.
What sold it was that he used the same tone he uses when he's teaching in this and his other videos, so you couldn't see it coming.
At first I just thought the temp. had changed given the snow in the background
.45-70 is by far my favorite, rifle, calibur. i cant imagine shooting it in a revolver
William Spears , It is kinda self defeating. 45/70 loads NEED the bbl length to maximize their charge. I had both the 1895 regular length rifles & the USELESS "Guide guns". which chronied out at 200 FPS LESS. Shorter bbls kick WAY harder & lots of muzzle flash. My 44 mag loads hit harder than this dumb assed hand cannon do.
44 mag hit harder than a 45-70? Yea right keep dreaming. A 44 mag out of a rifle still would hit as hard as a 45-70 out of a handgun
Derek Foster , Thats what I just said bud. The 45/70 NEEDS the longer bbl length to fully utalize its powder charge. In a short bbl handgun it hasent even started its powder burnout. I think you/I are saying the same thing in different words. My hot Alaskan 44 loads are 320 grain slugs exiting bbl at 1300 FPS as vs the standard 44 mag 240 grain slugs at 900 FPS. Far as I know only Rugers can handle that hot of a load. Its a HARD/HEAVY kicker that REQUIRES the soft rubber Packmeyer grips or it will break your wrists. But when u have a grizzly or a moose charging down on you ones adrenalyn is sooo pumped you hardly even notice the recoil. In my 45/70 I loaded 420 grain hard cast WFNs pumped up to 2100 FPS. Almost 6000 lbs of energy out of the muzzle, Almost 458s but w rapid fire capabilities of a lever gun whiich is VERY necessary in case of multiple bear encounters. I lived Alaskan bush for 27 years, had lots of encounters but never needed more than 1 shot w my 45/70 420 WFN hot loads. Only had 1 encounter w the 44 thou, charging moose up close, emptied 5 rounds into his chest 4 of which traveled through sternam/heart & full length of beast & put last round through both shoulders jumping sideways to avoid being stomped & THAT finally knocked the moose over. Found all 5 head on shot slugs just under the hide on rear flanks. The sideways shoulder shot was a complete passthrough shattering both shoulders. Only shot one bear point blank w the 44 in the chest, round went straight through heart & shattered the spine exiting. It was dead before it hit the ground. But, THAT was only a 6 ft blackie. Last griz I killed was at 4 ft w a 243 & an 80 grain blitz round (emergency shot). Slug went through a rib & exploded in the bears heart dropping him at my feet. But that was also only a small 6 ft griz. THAT shot was Divine intervention! Normally wouldnt even dream of shooting ANY griz w a 243 except at longer range w me up a treestand out of its reach.
Dave Jan
Sir, if you don't have grey hair, you Should !
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Another straight forward honest review with no BS
Thank you
Hickok 45 and Paul are the only gun channels that I can genuinely enjoy watching.
The knowledge that he took with him will surely be missed! R.I.P Mr. Harrell
Thanks for making the 45-70 ballistics video.
Stated velocities by the manufacturer are optimistic to say the least.
Weather is indeed a factor.
Velocities are obtained in a test lab, perfect conditions, with a barrel that probably got thoroughly cleaned between each shot, fired on very high quality bench rest equipment.
Cartridges fired were each weighed & measured to ensure product met the manufacturing control plan.
Reload. Then you control the variables.
Fun stuff !!
That's a lot of recoil on that BFR, It reminds me of a story my father told me when I was young. He said a friend of his let him shoot a gun, I believe it was called a 500 Nitro Express, { but don't quote me on that} He said the Kick was not so Bad, it was the 20ft he had to walk to pick the Rifle back up that bothered him,,
HaHa 500 Nitro Express one of the old British Elephant guns. I shot a .458 Win Mag a few times and that was enough, not fun.
Hmmm, anyone know where his chrono is?
on the barrel
Thank you.
The chrono is actually on top of the dark box in front of him. Look closely & you will see it.
Thanks, It seems too many people don't understand that if you have a "need for speed" buy a rifle.
What may bring home the point would be 357mag shot from a Marlin lever, 8" revolver, 4" revolver and a snub nose.
A couple of my friends, Stumpy and Lefty, swear by Buffalo Bore ammo, regardless of what firearm they use ! The moral of this story : Wise words at 7:00...Choose your ammo wisely.
LOL
The greatest of all time ❤
This guy is so watchable, and is the epitome of a 1970’s tv detective. ( it’s a compliment )
I bought some 45/70 ammo for my BFR 45/70 8 inch barrel. After I bought it I read on the box not for revolvers. So after some research I found out you can shoot it in a BFR 45/70. Thanks for the video you always have good information
My wrist hurt just watching you shoot the BFR. Always enjoy your videos
The first time I shot the BFR I thought I might not make it through the five rounds in the gun. But you get used to it quickly. The real thing is it is supremely loud. I wear ear plugs even when I hunt with it.
Keep in mind they are Big and HEAVY , and that absorb a lot of recoil . An alloy frame .44mag is way more punishing .
Can’t believe I missed this video. Hilarious and educational.
Mr Harrel, I gravitate towards Winchester,. The same way you gravitate to Remington. I'm still sour over the 50ct box of misloaded golden sabre bonded that they refused to replace. I just can't let it go. And when your self defense ammo goes click and no bang after you've carried it for months, gives a man Goosebumps. Winchester has always been there for me. Their Ranger LE ammo, and silvertips makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Year's ago I acquired a 1884 Lee Enfield in 303 Cal. At that time I was just learning about reloading and Black powder shooting. My go-to deer gun was a custom-built 308 and for bigger game my 30-06. Anyway back to this 1884 Lee 303. Cartridge. I wanted to know if it was safe to fire. So off I went with my bench gear and sand bags. Set this thing up slid a 303 lee Enfield cartridge in it. Raped a string around the trigger went back 25 yards hide behind a good-sized tree set up a minor so that I could watch tugged on the string it went of like thunder jumped a bit but the sandbags did their job. I visually inspected the rile it appeared to have no added defects. Upon ejecting the cartridge. Well, it didn't. I didn't want to cause any damage to the extractors or the marlin-type lever. So off I went to a very talented gunsmith to see if he had any suggestions. After a throw inspection, he put a cleaning rod down the barrel he taped on the end while I applied some pressure on the lever after some time with the increasing presser and taping out came the cartridge and intact, no cracks. You could imagine the pressure needed to press that cartridge in that breach that tightly. John the gunsmith examined the rifle again then abruptly threw it at me in a horizontal fashion. I was shocked at his action. When he asked me if after my knowledge of black powder and my skill and knowledge of reloading. Did I think they used smokless powdered when they made that rifle? He was angry and let me know it. However, he was glad I used some good ideas with a bench mount and sandbags hiding behind the tree. The barrel displayed a crown that is used on a Douglas premium barrel that was probably the saving grace. Did a go-no-go test then said I gave that barrel one hell of a test but the barrel seemed to have handled it? Please be throw out there stay safe if you are unsure do not hesitate to ask someone who knows. My friend John would have been happy to talk about the old rifle and make my first test-fire as safe as possible.
Sorry that is a martini action
Hi Paul. Bruce here again from PA. I just love the 45-70 caliber. My first was an old Siamese Mauser re-barreled to 45-70. Now I have a Ruger # 3. But I sorta turned it into a Ruger # 2, by re-stocking it with a brand new Ruger # 1 stock set. The Pistol grip and the recoil pad really helped with the stiff recoil of my handloads. Its nice that Hornady has three sets of reloading data in its manuals for old rifles, lever guns, and Ruger single shots.
Hornady's Level 1 loads go up to 28,000 , hotter than most people ( me) would care to go with actual Trapdoor , or equivalent strength rifles .
Ive got friends that use buffalo bore ammo in their pistols. Ive tried to warn them about the pressures that some of this ammo produces, but most of them blow me off because they want "the hottest ammo they can find".
Thanks for the video. Needless to say, i dont go to the range with these guys anymore. Lol
Hottest ammo you can find sounds cool until your gun explodes.
Paul Harrell exactly. Two of them are firing it in glocks that arent even rated for +p. One uses a 9mm model 19 and the other uses a 45acp, i forget which model. I did my due diligence and tried to warn them, but im sure youre familiar with the type of mentality i was trying to get through to.
02cents Glocks are too rated for +P ammo. They are rated for N.A.T.O. spec ammo which is the +P designation on the civillian market.
Hard Target SOME +p meets saami, not all
Can I use +P and +P+ ammunition?
Glock suggests using ammunition that is manufactured and meets SAAMI or industry specifications. If you are not sure the ammunition brand or type you choose is safe for use, call the ammunition manufacturer and ask if the product meets SAAMI guidelines before using it in you firearm. Some +P ammunition meets these guidelines, +P+ normally does not. This ammunition may generate a higher pressure over the standard loadings, and may shorten the component life of your firearm.
02cents , Know the feeling. As a teen my idiot friend took his fathers old damascus steel black powder shotgun out dove hunting. Only had a few old brass jacketed shotgun shells for it that worked fine. When he ran out of thoes he loaded modern high brass magnum shells. I TOLD that dumbass not to but he wouldnt listen so I stayed 20 yards behind him. Sure as hell that dumbass fired on the next bird we jumped & blew the damn gun up! Took out 1 eye, half his cheek & 3 fingers. And then I had to drag his unconcious ass 2 miles back to our truck & then to hosp. He barely survived!! Not to mention destroying a $5000 collectors peice. STUPID really does HURT!!!
I admire your objectivity, and I enjoy watching your videos. When I seek info on a particular gun or ammo I look for it first on your site. Thanks.
Paul Harrell just changed the definition of "fella" to mean "fool."
Full power .45-70 and .444 are both cranking. I’ve always dreamed of building a marlin guide gun, stainless with walnut but with a full length mag tube and peep sights. Just hard to let the money go.
Fun fact. Both atomic bombs dropped on Japan were housed in a 45-70 casing.
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One of the best UA-cam channels!
Your ability Paul in the handling of large caliber revolvers is refreshing to see on UA-cam.
Hi Paul, you are gold. I just shared your video tot he 4570 Club on Facebook. Hope it gets you more followers. You are the best.
"Now you might ask, what the hell am I doing?" Lololol Paul should do a video walking into random places with the same get up on and asking the same question to see people's reaction. Not a bank though that's not advised.
That is an insane caliber for a handgun! WOW!
I want a BFR in 30/30. The 30/30 makes a fantastic pistol round. I shot one quite a few times in a Thompson Contender my friend had. I could hit pop cans at 200 yards pretty regularly, it did have a 3x scope. He loaded it with 180 grain spire-tip bullets. Great round! Especially for a large handgun lover.
Excellent and much more practical cheap ammo readily available
Me: wow, those are some great ballistics on the box.
The Manufacturer: *Advertised velocity out of a 3 mile barrel*
Paul
A lots of ignorance people out there have no idea about
PSI
Kinetic energy
powder charge etc etc
So don't worry amigo we know how much you know
In fact I have learned a LOTS with you to me you are a BRAIN WIKI GUN
GRACIAS 👍😊☝
I'm going to gunsmith school this year
My wife bought me a marlin 1895 in 4570 28 years ago. I love that gun. It drops a deer where it stands whether I shoot the Remington 405 flat nose or 325 grain hollow points. This year I'm trying the Hornady 325 grain lever revolution ammo. I'm getting 1 inch groups at 110 yds consistently.
I find it interesting that a lot of people only talk about velocity and noting about energy transference. At least from my perspective as being taught about firearms and ammo in Sweden, we focus a lot more on bullet weight and the energy transference rather than on just velocity.
Great video non the less!
I think Paul covers the energy aspect in his videos via. results rather than computation by showing damage to the 'meat/water mellon/skin' targets present in many of his videos. Computationally, it is pretty easy E=.5 * M * V^2. Since we in the U.S. are backwards in that we've FAILED to adopt the metric system, we have to adjust for our misconceived equivalence of pound-force versus pound-mass. Hence, to normalize the equation, we have to divide by 'g' (the gravitational acceleration). That value is approximately 32.2 feet/Second^2
We also have to adjust for the arbitrary use of 'grains' as a unit of weight. There are 7000 grains/pound.
So, for example, if we have a 230 grain bullet traveling at 950 feet/second, it's corresponding energy in foot pounds (versus the metric 'Joule') is;
E = .5 * ((230/7000)/32.2) * (950^2) = 461 foot-pounds
There are approximately 1.356 Joules per ft-lbf, so this corresponds to 625 Joules
good job paul!!!! I like when you say don't try this at home I'm what you call a professianl .
Always get a kick ( pun intended ) watching this presentation. Total agreement as to being cautious with ammo that is clearly loaded above original standard specs. That's how so many wildcatters blew up guns in the pursuit of superior performance. The respective legends of P.O. Ackley and Elmer Keith are at the top of that list. Certain there are many others that exceeded the limits of guns and ammunition otherwise we would not have rounds such as the .357 Magnum or .300 Weatherby, ad astra.
Great video.... *EXCEPT* now I feel the undeniable urge to go out and buy a chronograph *AND A BFR* ....damnit! 🙄🤦♂️🤑
I could watch this guy talk about literally anything. Luck for me he has a huge interest in firearms, ammunition and ballistics. Good show bud, good show.
Great video! I've used the .444 for many years and always preferred it to the 45 70. The ammo available today for the .444 makes it quite versatile and much more than the "Brush Gun" title it's been stuck with. Nothing against the 45 70 but I can knock down any big game animal in North America at greater distances with the .444.
Having just found this, and having just recently acquired both a Marlin 1895 CB and a BFR .45-70 7.5", I feel the need to get together with my friends and do exactly the kind of testing Paul is asking about.
Wow!!! I can't believe people couldn't figure this out i thought this was common sense
That's when you learn that common sense isn't so common anymore....sadly.
There is no common sense, just sense.
Common sense...is only common to the person ;)
buffalo bore is no joke.smoking hot. hard extraction ,flat primers you know all the good stuff.
Got to love Paul. He'll spend a day at the range just to prove troll comments wrong - for the public good, frankly - and look like a gentleman doing it.
Keep up the great work, Paul. Discovered your channel a few days ago and have had it on auto-play practically ever since.
your wearing 5.11 pants. there the best in fact i can't figure out what to do with all the pockets. I carry a FN 5.7 or a Sig 357 mag. love your videos. your raising my vocabulary level and sense of humor.
You're
@POOR PIRANO
No, but he did help a fellow out.
POOR PIRANO only dumbasses don't care about grammar, and chances are it's because you're iq levels are to low to retain the knowledge , and regurgitate all those big words. But ya we are brainless for spelling correctly. Lol. You're a real superstar kiddo.
Take care Einstein.
POOR PIRANO I'm glad someone got that joke lol.
Great video! Thanks again! I'd like to get a .45-70 someday, but I'm thinking more in terms of a lever-action gun.
I have a Marlin 1895XLR in .45-70 and it is absolutely the most fun thing I have ever shot! Can make me go broke real fast though!
Tim Douglass , Learn to reload. Its WAY cheaper & you can do amazing things w a Marlin 1895 (NOT the useless guide gun) 45/70. Ive reloaded 1000s of rounds, mostly for 45/70 & 44 mag & just be sure to NEVER EXCEED the maximum charge for what loadbooks say. Theres TONS of info/supplies avaliable & make sure to use digital scales. The "gravity" ones are too unreliable. Another bit of advise, NEVER use someone elses reloads unless you KNOW they dont have their heads up their asses & do PRECISION work. Always make sure YOUR gun is compatable w your loads. Example, +P loads are TOO HOT for some guns. Best part, reloads, properly done, actually outperform factory stuff.
@@davejan744 Useless guide gun? Pretty much the dumbest statement in this comment section.
When your on the receiving end of it, does it really matter? You be the judge.
Best video on ballistics I have seen .You answered some questions I had.
OK thanks for that too
While working at one of the nation's largest outdoors retailers, I had a customer come in with a bandaged head and face, looking for a certain type of 338 Lapua ammo.
The bandages? He tried loading his own. Exploded his rifle using a load that was commonly recommended online for making his handloads a bit more "hot".
Take Paul's words very seriously when he mentions the capabilities older rifles vs. modern ammunition. It is absolutely no joke, and you could pay the ultimate price for such a mistake.
Darwin Award.
Runner up ...
Hey thank you for shooting my favorite calibers..the 45:70..
If bigger is better, we all should be toting a blunderbuss.
I hunt with a 45-70 Marlin and have for over 37 years. My favorite caliber round.
I load some of my 45-70 405 gr bullets with 60 gr of powder . I was getting over 2100 FPS out of my marlin . A true beast of a round
love the 45/70. I keep my 300 grain handloads at 1500fps though. easy on the shoulder, accurate, and still enough juice to handle black bear in Tennessee. no need for over kill. your video is spot on about velocity. all true
Good job, Paul! Too many folks today think their gun gives superior ballistics when in fact, they don't! I had a friend tell me once his uncle repeatedly split a round ball on an axe blade at 3,000 yards. I hated to burst his bubble about his uncle so I told him gently, most likely it was 300 feet. Some folks are just, well, gullible I suppose.
Thanks again for the video...as always!
Very good caution at the end! Buffalo Bore and Garret ammunition should NEVER be shot in antiques!
And your channel is so good because there is no corporate sponsor references.
I have been looking forward to your new videos. I love your channel thank you for posting!
109 people are getting the manufacturer's advertised velocities without using a chronograph and simply because they can read the label, therefore disliked your video. Thanks for showing us what's what like always. 👍
"I can feel (the eject is )...."
I thought you would say,
"I can feel, it's HARDER to
PICK UP MY ARM.."
Good informative video. Let's go to the other end of the power spectrum: take the ongoing arguments of .22 rimfire (.22 long rifle) vs. .25 ACP for pocket pistols: when making that comparison people often quote that the .22 long rifle cartridge has more velocity and muzzle energy than the .25 ACP. However invariably the quoted velocity/energy for .22 long rifle is based on data when fired from rifle-length test barrels; vs. the quoted data for .25 ACP is based on short, pistol length barrels. That's a 'apples compared to oranges' comparison. When the .22 long rifle is fired out of typical 'pocket pistol' length barrels, the velocity/energy data is virtually the same as .25 ACP fired out of the same length barrel. Similar velocity/energy differences for rifle cartridges fired out of handguns. Still: the .45-70 and .444 Marlin cartridges fired out of handguns pack quite a wallop.
Since .22 rimfires, and .25acp came up Again :
In micro guns of the same size & bbl length , the .25 is expected to have more power . ( Not withstanding the slowest lot ever mfg of .25 vs a really fast lot of .22lr meeting in the middle .)
.22lr from " normal size field guns " have markedly more power than .25acp .
.22lr from 4in revolver has more velocity/ energy than .22WMR from mini revolver or deringer .
.22WMR from 5.5- 6.5 in bbl is seriously potent , with 40gr vels running 1300- 1400 fps , a very under rated combination .
( Source - Having chrono'ed a crap ton of various .22lr and 22WMR .)
Man that was awesome. Nothing like my shoulder hurt. But I am the Firearms guy. Then some people ask me to shoot big guns. And then I hand them my 45-70 with 405 grain. Two days later I get a phone call my shoulder hurts.
"Handgun"
Literally hand artillery
When Paul puts the balaclava on, he sounds a little like Deadpool.
The 45-70 is a fantastic rifle round. I shoot 300 grain Remington hollow points and their 405 grain flat nose. Either one has dropped every deer exactly where it was standing. I love that marlin 45-70 of mine!
Speculations are spot on! I have both a number of 45/70 rifles, including two doubles and a Marlin guide gun, as well as two pistols chambered in 45/70, a Phelps Heritage, and a BFR. The Phelps has an 8" bbl, and the BFR a 10 inch tube. Both pistols shoot my hand loads made up using cast, gas checked bullets over varying amounts of H4198. That powder is slow enough to function well in the guide gun but fast enough to work in the pistols. Regular Remington / Winchester / 45/70 rounds are worthless in the pistols, as they are made up with powders suitable only to rifle-length bbls. BTW, the ballistics touted by Remington for those 405 grainers were no doubt achieved out of an 1873 Springfield with a 32" bbl!
Hi Paul. I like your common sense approach. You have a new subscriber. I'm going to suggest to you an interesting and fun to shoot .45-70 load for those that handload, but first the caveat: Read the entire comment before deciding if you'd like to try it.
I've owned a multitude of rifles, shotguns and handguns over my lifetime in several calibers and gauges and handloaded all of them except rimfire. I started competing with guns at the age of twelve until my late thirties. I think it would be safe to say I've had more experience than the "average" shooting enthusiast.
I used to collect "Handloaders Digest" from gun shows whenever I could find them. I had most but not all of the editions published. The load I'm sharing came from one that I think was published in the sixties. Perhaps one of your many viewers can help. My memory is fading in my old age and I haven't shot a .45-70 since the early '80s.
This is a very low pressure load that should be safe to use in any rifle or handgun, even weak actions such as the older Trapdoors. I found it fun to use when plinking jackrabbits in Alberta but was also fun to surprise the guys at the range with a .45-70 "shotgun." Take five shots but have 15 holes in the target.
Very simply, the load is 3 .457 round lead balls over 9 grains of Unique powder. Velocity from a rifle is around 1100 fps and in my Marlin provided MOPP (minute of paper plate) accuracy at 40 yards. I know the powder was Unique and I'm pretty certain of the weight but can't swear to it because I'm trying to remember from a very long time ago. I also made rounds that contained only one round ball. That differed only that I used a piece of card stock on the powder to separate it from Cream of Wheat cereal that I used to fill the void between the powder and ball. Use a normal crimp on the circumference of the ball to finish. Those loads had no recoil and little report so my kids could enjoy shooting the .45-70 as well.
I like your videos. Keep them coming
Pual, just gotta say again thank you for another fantastic, down to earth, no BS video. I hope you're staying safe in all the insanity we're experiencing in the world right now, sir.
You make really good straight forward informative videos, with good humor. Keep it up man. I’ve learned a lot from watching you.
It's not that I NEED a 45/70... it's that I WANT one :)
THANK YOU! I've had that same conversation about 44 mag ammo. Carbine vs revolver and that's just one example
I love shit like this. That buffalo bore is loaded with a ton of smokin hot powder! I'd consider the burn rate on that stuff
Love your videos Paul! Your the greatest.
I had to write a comment on Demolition Ranch on his BFR episode where he compared the 500 magnum revolver to the 45-70 BFR and flat out said the 45-70 had more energy than the 500 magnum because he was reading the advertised velocity and energy. I went on to point out the barrel length and advertised energy was based on longer than 10inches he was using. I didn't know about this video at that time or I would have referenced it to make my point. Like all the videos ive seen so far this was accurate and good..keep it up Paul.
My most powerful pistol is a 357 magnum. I live in NY where the biggest animal is a black bear. I don't need hand held artillery but it's fun watching other people shoot it!
Hey Paul, I would like to purchase a Trijicon ACOG for my Marlin 1895. I think that it would be a good pairing. As I am sure you already know they usually have reticles for a particular caliber. Would a 7.62x39’s trajectory or a 300 blackout’s trajectory be closer to a Hornady 45-70 leverevolution. I have researched it but have not reached a conclusion. I would really value your opinion on the matter.
You know what they say BFR stands for right? Big F'ing Revolver...
"They're shooting a rifle,"
That monster is almost as big as a rifle! Great videos.