45-70 Ammo Selection (Featuring Hornady Leverevolution)
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- Paul tests some different 45-70 ammunition.
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Bottom line: In any of its incarnations, .45-70 does a lot of damage.
The lighter the bullet, the more damage it does. Terminal ballistics are often a compromise between cavitation and penetration. The beauty of high-powered rifles is penetration is seldom an issue. This is especially true when using bonded projectiles. A lighter, faster bullet tends to cavitate better, but since it's a high-powered rifle, it also penetrates well.
That was a nice rifle. I'll put it this way: I could go into the zombie apocalypse with a lever action 45/70 (especially with the capacity his has) and not feel under-gunned.
@@thatguy22441 - and *_Target Suite_* shot one in the last few days, a Ruger, which provides ~MOA - even out to 300yds.
Indeed it does, a massive large diameter projectile does not need to be driven to 3,000 fps to do a lot of damage. At the end of the day, mass as well as acceleration matter.
@@thatguy22441 45-70 would be a poor strategy for zombies…you’d probably want a suppressed 10/22. maybe paul will make a video.
In my Marlin Cowboy I shoot the 405grn “blue pills” at just under 1800 fps. Haven’t been able to recover one yet.
When a Fleet Farm store opened locally, I went in looking for ammo specials. They had a ton of Hornaday Lever Evolution .45-70 ammo. There was no price listed so I had them scan it. When the employee said 15 dollars, I bought 8 boxes. I probably should have bought more, duh.
Yeah. When I can find it around here it's $40 a box.
Sombody F-ed up on pricing. Should have bought as much as you can aford
@Dave H that's still pretty cheap in canada its 70-100 dollar's a box of 20
All hail the mighty Fleet Farm!!!
It was $15 per 50 cartridges?
It's a testament to the quality of Paul's videos that I will watch them even if they don't apply to me. I own ZERO 45/70 weapons, but that didn't stop me from enjoying and learning something from this vide. As always, well done, Paul!
There is nothing like good quality information. It never goes out of style.
Many years ago I didn't buy a Marlin 45-70 @ a bargain, scoped, dies cases and a mould etc. So anyway I also watched this. Here in Africa a very similar cartridge was used a lot, namely 450 Martini Henry...
I don't own anything chambered in .45-70, and probably never will. But I still enjoyed the video.
Knowledge is always a good thing
...what Spiney said
Appreciate that Paul and his crew produce some of the only videos shot during rain.
Rain doesn't stop Paul, only kryptonite
@@burrco3086 beating off
He lives in the Pacific Northwest. If you don’t work in the rain, you don’t work.
maybe Paul and crew are frog people
@@richardkev3077 As someone who lives in the PNW, can confirm. Friends don't want to go shooting... I bought stainless guns.
Every time I hear the 45/70 go off I’m pretty sure I can hear an old cash register in the background going Cha Ching.
Another reason to like Paul Harrell...he actually says Sellier&Bellot correctly.
Haha I was jabbering at my brother one day about how to pronounce that odd sounding French name(maybe it's Belgian, I don't know).
Anyway, we settled on silly Billy so that's what they're called now.
who cares...
@@nsob8897 Sellier & Bellot were french expatriates circa 1825 Sellier was from a royalist family that fled the Revolution.
@@levergatRapha so it’s ammo for chickens
I always thought it was pronounced "silly old bell end".
That's impressive that the Soft Point projectile was able to shatter ribs on the backside of the meat target yet stop in the 1st fleece layer. Thank goodness Paul used the new and improved bullet stop.
Remember it's a HIGH TECH bullet stop....
Paul is like the old school college professor who's class is always overcrowded because he is both personable and knowledgeable but doesn't beat you up for your lack of understanding! Thank you and your crew for always bringing us great content!!
I've learned there are two kinds of experts. One loves their subject, knows it backwards and forwards, are enthusiastic and want to share their enjoyment with everyone. A math teacher like that could teach calculus to kindergartners. Then those with disdain for anyone who hasn't drudged through the subject's minutia like they have. All buzzwords and jargon, but can't communicate it because they don't understand the fundamentals and quietly hate what they spent so much of their life learning.
Knows the business for sure!!
I love shooting my .45-70, so I wanted to thank you not for just doing this excellent presentation, but sacrificing your shoulder to bring us this outstanding content. 😁
Haha, it's true
He does a great job of absorbing the recoil. He is the master after all. Takes a lot of practice.
Some folks like recoil.
Run Garrett Hammerheads +P in the .45-70 and you'll have real recoil. 1850 fps with 420gr.
Buffalo Bore has a 430gr load doing 1925 fps (22" barrel).
3030 is worse to me.
Never had a 45-70. Never gonna have a 45-70. Totally gonna watch this video.
Sounds like you need a 45-70.
Get one, it's so much fun to shoot.
.45-70 is an amazingly useful short range round for handloaders. You can do anything from 500gr solids for the largest game on earth, to light deer loads that don't damage much meat, and everything in between. Keep your ranges to 150m or less and it will never fail you. I've even found it to be remarkably effective on red squirrel, though it's not a very economical option....
For squirrel simply press a .460 lead ball in the case with a pinch of Unique. 3grs works fine.
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One of the exercises we regularly do; a couple dozen shots with the 45-70 immediately followed by pistol work. Separates the wheat from the chaff.
But what if I want to use the BFR for the 45-70?
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I love shooting my 45-70, but it is a H&R Buffalo Classic break action single shot. It has a trajectory like a rainbow but it is accurate to 500 yards all day long. The Winchester 45 LC and 30-30 deer classic are also very enjoyable to take to the field or range. Thanks for slaying so much sugar before it could harm anyone. You are a true gentleman, a scholar and a fine judge of whiskeys.
I also have a Buffalo Classic. Both the rifle and my shoulder have a strong preference for the Remington ammo. It is one reason for the ladder sight!
I used to load my H&R handi to 2000 fps with a 405 grain bullet. Recoil was brisk!
Clerk at the store… Jesus this guy drinks a lot of crappy soda😜
Yet he's jacked!??!!!?
@@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X right?! Lol. The clerks must think Jesus, guy buys pork and sodas by the case, wtf? Lmao. Then he runs into goodwill and buys up all the fleece blankets lol. If you didn’t know him you’d be like wtf is up with this guy😜😂
Watching Sam’s Cola bottles explode for “rudimentary” experimentation is somehow very satisfying. I thoroughly enjoy listening to and learning from the sound of Paul’s voice. This man is an American national treasure.
The best thing about the 45-70 is all the different kinds of loads you can make for it. I dont reload as much as i use to but I will forever reload for the 45-70!
That's one of the best reasons to get 45-70 is it's fun to load for.
I like to humor the idea of getting a 45-70, but only if I'm willing to learn how to reload for it. We all know that you need to reload to have a good supply of ammunition for it.
@@hoonterofhoonters6588 it's a good caliber to start loading with stick to trapdoor level loads tell you get more confident/competent with the reloading process even if you miss up on the low pressure loads you will still have a gun just don't squib it and shoot the next round. Lots of options to play with for powders and bullet combinations most work just fine. Pretty easy just take your time measure everything and watch what you do get a Chrono. It's both relaxing and fun.
I do love the meat target, but seeing all those soda bottle get blasted is always the best 🥰
Thanks, Paul! I have owned an 1895 for 35+ years. I will never part with it as long as I am above ground. Everyone that see's it says the same thing, "Damn, thats a big hole!"
Well that can be debatable how about 50-110 you can catch it at "Leverguns 50" Channel 😎👍 .
Paul is Great person to get an Honest opinion has a lot of experience I value his point of view on things , but best is his sarcasm love it 😎🤙
Depends what you want. A trapdoor springfield on the bench is fun. It''s a casual and deliberate experience, like muzzleloading, but without the grime. On the other hand, the 1895 isn't an awkward ten pound pike, and I don't have to worry about pressures or barrel wear. You might call me indecisive, but the only thing better than a rifle in 45-70 is two rifles in 45-70.
Great video. I saw some other videos saying 45-70 was an anemic cartridge compared to modern loadings. That may be true but after seeing this I’m comfortable that it gets the job done.
At range it loses a lot of oomph, those big fat bullets are about as aerodynamic as a brick. After about 200 yards with most loadings it’s not moving so fast anymore and it’s falling a lot. That being said I’m not confident enough in my shooting to be fully comfortable with many cartridges much more than 200 yards anyways. Can I hit things farther? Sure. Am I confident that in a field position with my heart beating hard and maybe a bit winded from hiking to get the shot on the deer of a lifetime that I’m gonna make that shot? Less so. And even with a lot less oomph, it’s still a 3-400 gr bullet. It’ll get the job done on most things.
Many bison ghosts would agree with you.
The 45-70 was developed in black powder. One of The original gun for 45-70 is the Springfield trapdoor. Most all ammo you find one the shelf is built to be safe in trapdoor rifles meaning they are load to pretty low pressure. The 405 he shot to day are 1100fps compared to some other options that are 405grs going 1900fps. Even the week 1100fps 405 have the ability and legacy of killing someone over a mile away.
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That must have cost you a fortune! Meat prices and shell prices... Wow. Nice job. Thank you
Yourself and Hickok45 are my only two "subject" channels I have found that I have stuck with long term as a sub. While your channels are very different in scope, I like both of your personalities as I'm old, I really appreciate the depth of knowledge and expertise along with the technical and experimental nature your channel provides, it's an invaluable resource for novice and experienced shooters alike. You Sir are a Gentleman and Scholar among Men.
Try Target Suite. George does a great job with lever guns and revolvers.
give Ron Spomer a look, hes very good also
Great work as usual, Paul. .45-70 is a caliber I haven't experienced, but is definitely on my bucket list, so I really appreciate all the information I can get before shouldering a rifle chambered in it. Thanks again.
It was exceptionally nice to see the chronograph shots at the beginning because we also got a real good idea about how much recoil.
Thanks for making the 45-70 Ammunition Selection video.
Well done Sir.
We were both educated and entertained by this video.
Thank you for your work.
Great video Paul thank you for taking the time to show us these ammo choices. 👍👍
Very very interesting! I would not have guessed those results. Definitely takes a pro to illustrate. Excellently done BTW!
45-70? They used to say that 45-70 was guaranteed to knock down two men- the man who was hit with it and the man who fired the rifle! I've fired an original Trapdoor many times and it never knocked me down, but about a dozen rounds is all I can take. That old Springfield has some kick.
I have a Marlin 1895 that was modified by Wild West Guns in Alaska to include porting and a recoil pad. It's not bad at all with "cowboy" rounds and still manageable even with the heavy Buffalo Bore stuff, although it doesn't take long to get enough with that.
I shoot black powder silhouette competition. There are four stations, chickens, pigs, turkeys and rams, with 10 shots each station. With additional allowed sighters, you are talking about 60 rounds of ammo per set. My rifle is a 45-100 and my go-to load is a 530 grain cast lead bullet over 85 grs by weight of Swiss 2f. Talking about a sore shoulder after a day of shooting, LOL.
With the current cost of 45-70 ammo, this was probably one of the most valuable videos I've seen. Thank you, Paul for the expense and effort you put out on a regular basis. Much appreciated.
Last time I was this early, Paul was comparing sharpened sticks.
Paul, I love all the videos you do! Thanks for the help!
.45-70 is my pet caliber. Absolutely love it. Thanks for a fun episode.
45-70 is the cartridge, the caliber is 45
@@jaydunbar7538 Thanks captain obvious.
Joe, When you have time, Watch & enjoy this "EXPERT". Good stuff!
Thank you for the presentation, Paul. If there are any hardcore 45-70 fans here, Target Suite has done several vids using 45-70.
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I like to think that after every episode where Paul uses the meat target, he takes the shattered ribs and the surviving oranges and makes orange glazed BBQ pork ribs. Maybe he can show us how he does that in a special show during next years Super bowl.
I have always suspected the same thing
I've been assuming he knows a guy who works at a grocery store that gets him some expired food. Wasting food doesn't seem like his style, but I could be wrong.
He mentioned his dogs get the leftovers once
@@MichaelSteinmetzSUP He’s stated as much.
@@pbp6741 Which video was that in? I haven't seen all his videos yet. . .
Paul's videos have a wonderful combination of entertainment and information. I really appreciate his dry wit along with his ability to impart knowledge without sounding pedantic. This is a rare combination across the gamut of shooting channels. Thanks, Paul!
For some reason I feel the need to shower after watching Paul's sodabottle demonstrations. :-)
Gday from Australia Paul. Recently saw an intresting firearm in my local gun store, the Chiappa 'Little Badger' in .22LR (also available in .22WMR and .17HMR from what i have read). It is dubbed as a 'survival rifle', being light and folding into what appears to be a compact size. I believe they are fairly priced in the united states. If you were able to obtain one i believe It would make a good presentation especially, in comparison to something such as the R10/22 takedown or some of the weapons on your wilderness survival list. I have been a devoted viewer for several years and will be making a donation to the patreon to support your fantastic content. It is hard to find good content on youtube, especially good firearms content, but i have to say paul, the quality and reliability of your presentations is beyond compare and has inspired me to pursue the hobby over here in Australia. Thankyou
I'd love to see Paul do a presentation on this. It's a great little rifle, shoots accurate, with a trigger that feels better than rifles that cost a lot more. Italian priorities, I suppose! :)
I'd just like to say that I appreciate that there are no easy answers here. Life is messy, and that means that these analyses, when thorough, should give us some messy, or rather complex, results. I think the heavy projectile maybe having better penetration and maybe not depending on several factors is a good illustration of that, and Paul sticking to the complex truth rather than the easy blanket oversimplification is greatly appreciated, especially on a platform where the vast majority of people are looking for a quick easy answer.
Thanks Paul and crew. Appreciate your channel.
For an Old guy your pretty cool and informative. Thanks for the videos.
Old? Check out Jerry Miculek.
Thank you for that. Gave me a baseline for the ones I make: 487 grain soft lead spitzers doing about 1080ft/sec. Won me a few places at cowboy shoots, not really planning on sending them after game. I'll stick the casting process up on Geeko Farm Unhinged over on Utreon next week if anyone wants to see what those behemoths look like.
I also use the LeverEvelution powder with Barnes-X bullets. It's a screamer, that's very accurate from my new Marlin/Ruger 1895.
I take it you are impressed with the new look of Marlin. I am waiting for a 44 mag version.
@@chaecoco2 Very much so. I have seen the new 336 Classic in 30-30, and again Ruger has stayed faithful to the design but with much improved quality assurance. I believe I can convey; you won't be disappointed.
Makes 3 of us.
LeverEvolution is a REALLY slow powder in 45-70, even under the heaviest bullets imaginable you couldn't compress enough to get a decent burn. Wouldn't be my first choice for anything other than 30-30.
@@ActionEHamshraershV LeverEvolution, is a mid-tier burn rate power of "39". You are correct it works phenomenally well with 30-30 Win loads. This being the reason the load Paul shoots, and I copied from Hornady to save much cash uses the 325-grain FTX bullet to achieve over 1800 fps. But yeah, it doesn't do well with really heavy bullets. ^~^
Great video. I love 45-70! I have a marlin 1895 and a H&R Handi Rifle. I do a lot of bullet casting for it. My favorite cast bullet for deer is 330 grain could hollow point over IMR 30-31 powder. Thanks for giving 45-70 some attention Paul.
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45-70 is one of those calibers that sounds really cool to own on paper...till something like 2020 happens and I still haven't seen it on shelves anywhere in my area 3 years later
I still seen in more then other calibers but really if you going own 45-70 you should reload anyways.
@@t-bfr45-70 I do not have the space to have an adequate reloading operation
@@Tadicuslegion78 it don't take much to get started.
I ordered some from an online make at the beginning stages of the pandemic, and still haven't received it. Meanwhile, my local shop has managed to keep at least a few boxes on the shelf - not cheap, but not near what another store in town charges.
I actually enjoy loading 45-70 with the lee loader (and a hand primer, because installing primers with a hammer is not my idea of fun lol). It takes about 30 minutes to bang out 40 rounds once you get the rhythm down, requires no space really other than a table, and 40 rounds of 45-70 is usually enough for me for a day. It’s pretty relaxing, I can do ladder tests at the range if I really want to, and it’s only a quarter of the price of what I’ve seen on store shelves recently. Can load up super mild stuff for my antique 1881 Marlin, moderate stuff for my 1895, and crazy hot stuff for my single shots (in that case 10 is more than enough lol).
Great review, Ty. The only 45-70 available here in west Houston (TX) is at Bass Pro Shop. And it's sky-high (like three times the price what it was in 2019). I don't shoot it, so it's great to see your experiences with this golden caliber.
Thank you, Mr. Harrell.
Outstanding presentation. Thanks, Paul.
I have an old 45 70 trap door rifle from 1800s. I reload using bp. Awesome, powerful and accurate.
Informative, useful, and entertaining as always. I'll definitely give the Federal rounds another look.
I used to poopoo federal when I was younger (I just thought the name Winchester sounded cooler) and now that I'm older and have fired a lot of federal I have a new appreciation for their ammo. I've been shooting their 357 rounds for a while now and holy hold onto the cow!! For factory loads they're pretty mean. Not many of the other rounds I've shot have come close. Underwood is about the only one.
Always interesting and informative. Always well balanced. Thank you.
Thanks Paul. I really appreciate you doing this video. I enjoyed it. It's even more compelling as we have the same rifle.
Paul, thank you for this video. I am using the exact same FTX projectile in my 458 SOCOM and getting just under 1,800 fps. Have done water jug expansion tests with great results, but this gives me more confidence when used on the intended target, Missouri whitetail.
Better over powered than underpowered for hunting, but damn...deer hunting with a 458 SOCOM
Lugging around a 26" bbl is a pain in exchange for 338-378 Weatherby ballistics but for 45-70? A Trapper is downright handy and I'm guessing wouldn't trade too much in performance. Thank you for all the superb presentations.
45-70 shows surprisingly little velocity drop in the shorter barrels of the Guide Guns based on data I've seen.
Enjoyed it as always. Thanks
As soon as you said "Hornandy FTX" I knew the "Like a Ballistic Tip " was coming. The consistency over the years puts a smile on my face sir
Paul,
I'd love to see some reloading content from you. I'm still rather green (year 3) but I am certain you could enlighten all of us on the basics and the finer points of homebrewed ammo! Thank you!!!
Just be cautious about the
"reloading" videos on yoofloob.
Some of them are way way way
out there as far as procedures
and techniques. I was lucky to
have a mentor to show me decades
ago.
Good Luck
And remember, there are no stupid
questions about how to reload
Probably the main thing stopping him is the number of times he would have to explain what "just because it works for me doesn't mean it'll work for you" means for some of the thicker-skulled viewers among us.
Need Pop Tarts with my 45-70.
Excellent informative as always vid. Thanks Paul 👍
Great video Paul! Love .45/70 power in a lever carbine, a great woods round for anything, depending on ammo.
Hi Paul, great video, thanks. I suggest that it would be helpful to have a graphic on screen when you are shooting showing which ammo as well as the fps and bullet weight. I know you describe all of that in the beginning, but it would help keep track for the viewer during the test; especially since you are using four different types of ammo.
and it allows to be able to review specific rounds, later on...with Titles added, too.
It takes time & effort editing, though...this I know.
*chapters, not titles
I click "like" and then watch the video.
Anyone in their right mind would. 👍
A Paul Harrell video on my favorite caliber? Hell yeah!
Came to see if Paul would pull a .45-70 Gatling out of the jacket
What a coincidence! I've been looking at the hornady 325grain ftx for reloading lately, my biggest question is how effective the better ballistic coefficient of the bullet really is. I would love to see maybe a maximum effective distance test or just a comparison on the trajectory of the various bullets performance at distances of 300 to 800 yards.
Any other thoughts on 458 Socom vs 45-70? Keep up the great work!
45-70 is a lot of fun if you hand load and 458 socom if your looking for a AR-15. 450 bushmaster is not bad for a hunting option too.
I have one of the very first Rock River Arms .458SOCOM uppers. I love the caliber. I have taken two cow elk with it. One with a 350gr soft point and one with the 300gr TTSX.
Love my 45-70 Henry. Thanks for doing this video!
Wow, when i started watching, there were 0 comments and by the time I was done, there were 132. Funny coincidence, I was in Walmart today just to pass through and see if they had any .22-250 and I saw they had two boxes of .45-70 on a lower shelf, something they don't normally have in stock either. Of course, I don't have a .45-70, but I bet someone picks it up after seeing this video. Great video as usual.
I appreciate, Paul, for shooting that many rounds of 45 70. It can be very punishing after shooting a few rounds to one’s body. I like the cartridge and the hotter loads should only be used in newer firearms as, Paul, noted. Not too many critters can take even one well placed hit, with a 45 70.
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Whatever information this video presented to me, the main lesson I take away from it is... I need a 45-70. Thanks Paul
Always very informative! Thanks!
Thanks, Paul. I have an 1885 High Wall, 30" in 45/70. I love it.
Great video as always!
Another great video, thank you Paul.
Great info and shooting. Thanks Paul...
Excellent demonstration. Thank you for doing one on the 4570.
Excellent presentation! I now know what rifle and round to take next time I go a'hunt'n fer oranges!
lol
Thank you for all the excellent content.
Good video presentation, as always. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your interpretations on different aspects of the results.
Great video! Thank you Paul!!
Thanks to Paul and the crew for providing another great Sunday night to finish out the weekend.
Great video. Impressive fleece.
Great video sir!
I KNOW the following is implied in Paul's explanation, but for the kids at the back of the class- ALWAYS sight in your own rifle with the ammo you intend to hunt with. And practice, WITH THAT AMMO.
Hunting is a personal pursuit that requires individual initiative and work. Don't rely on UA-camrs to do your job.
Thanks Paul, for another informative video!
not everyone can afford to practice with $4-$5 per round Buffalo Bore monolithic rounds. It is perfectly acceptable to practice with affordable ammunition and sight in with your hunting ammo at the start of your trip on location (local altitude, humidity / pressure)
@@finesse7943 If you don't know how the $5 Buffalo Bore will act downrange, then IMO it's unethical to hunt game with it. US hunters wound far too many animals and don't follow up. Use a gun and ammo you can afford to practice with.
Yours and my definition of practice might be different: I shoot whatever is cheap to practice with, monthly. That's a case of ammo per caliber per year. If your statement is you need to shoot a case of hunting ammo a year, you are just gate keeping and nobody likes a gate keeper.
You don't need to have your practice ammo be your hunting rounds, it is why we have the concept of range ammo. That said, you need to sight in with your hunting rounds and be able to hit at your hunting distance with that round (part of sighting in). You also need to take shots you know you can hit with, not "shoot at" an animal.
Great video, Paul.
I sure appreciate all you put on here Paul… you’ve saved me a lot of trial and error very grateful
Around the 9 minute mark I caught myself quietly muttering "meat target...meat target....meat target". Delighted to see we got a new version of the meat target. Thanks Paul for sticking through this one- rain and a sore shoulder, job got done.
Great Videos as usual ! :)
Thans again for another great video! 👍👍
I've never fired a less pleasant rifle round than the Hornady .45/70 Leverevolution, but they do make a melon-sized exit wound.
Always well done thank you Sir
Another excellent video.
I was able to get very good accuracy with my Marlin 1895 and the Hornady Lever Revolution ammo. Everyone is different, those are my experience.
Although I don't own a gun that shoots this ammo, it is always educational to see Paul's take on it. Thanks!
Another great video/test. My son recently bought a Henry 45-70, plans on using it for bear hunting. Great, useful info.👍👍