Thank you so much to everyone who has watched, liked and commented. I didn't think so many people would see this it really means alot also for the many of you asking sonic 3 a.i.r is a fanmade remaster of sonic 3 and they have made it avalible on mobile devices
19:08 FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!! It's such a huge killer for replayability and the lack of an easy 'game opts' button like Mania also means I have to have the sound test codes memorized for NO REASON AT ALL! amazing video, so thorough
It is probably my single biggest gripe with the game. It's such an odd change to make, and just makes it worse. I can get some people preferring to do perfect runs, but then... Nothing would be stopping you from doing that anyway if they used the Sonic 3 save system. Is it really so much to ask for a stage select to appear when you load up cleared game data? And what's the deal with only getting one save per character?
I still feel the Micheal Jackson issue is just a little bullshit. He was employed by Sega to make the tracks, all this could've been avoided by a better written contract. Also I would've loved to see something worthwhile for collecting the coins like cosmetics for the characters. Perhaps the ability to use different Sonic sprites like S3&K Sonic in CD or other games.
To be fair, lots of Sega's history could've been avoided with a better written contract. That's why Sonic Spinball was initially recalled, why Sonic X-Treme had so many issues in development, and why the Ken Penders Chronicles even happened to begin with.
@@oldchannel2892 A lot of the Ken Penders debacle was on Archie Comics being the most incompetent company ever, though Sega certainly didn't help the situation doing shit like enforcing mandates but providing nothing to enable the artists to follow them.
A lot of issues at SEGA could have been avoided from the get go had SEGA employeed management members who don't have room temperature IQ, this time it's celcius and the location is Antarctica.
You can skip 90% of Sonic & Knuckles by jumping into the ring at the start of Mushroom Hill, pausing the game when the screen whites out and selecting Restart. Game gets confused and throws you to Hidden Palace
@@dshaynietheawesome well it would be %90 if you played the knuckles campaign considering he doesn't visit the death egg and sky sanctuary is literally just a final boss not a proper zone
Good video. I like how you didn't defend SEGA for their bizarre and somewhat predatory decisions, and gave them credit for the things they did right. Often with videos about Sonic, people tend to be too extreme. It is either the "worse game ever" or "fans need to stop complaining". As for me, I will be waiting for at least a 50% discount on Steam. The current price, especially where I live, is way too expensive for a collection of games I played dozens of times already. I was hoping the pricing would be more reasonable like with the Mega Man, Mega Man X and Mega Man Zero Collections, but SEGA (and Bandai Namco with the Klonoa Collection) decided to go the opposite way with their price tags.
I will always give positive feedback where necessary but i am not afraid to call out BS especially when it seems to follow no logical sense and that pretty much sums up origins theres some good but theres also some bad
With you saying about being a shill, who kisses Sega's ass, I recall seeing Badnik Mechanic doing just that with his review. Because when it came to lives, or the lack of options to toggle them on and off in both modes, he simply laughed "haha, shut up, scum!" And then proceed to brush off any would be complaints as he remarks about how it makes the games more accessible to others and doesn't impact your experience in anyway, so there is that. Though surely having more options instead of less would make the game more accessible still, and also wouldn't impact his experience in anyway. Just saying.
Weeeeeeeell, if you wanna get technical, I'd say he's known for three things. Gold Rings, One Button, and most telling of all, Speed. There's also Attitude, but no one really seems to care about that since Sonic was apparently "cute and innocent" back in the Classic games.
@LifeformCore Nobody knows Sonic for his 'being friendly,' 'being cocky,' or 'saving the world,' OR 'defeating Robotnik.' It's really just 'speed,' and even 'skills' is a bit of a stretch. Unless you're talking about in-universe.
8:18 yes, yes it does. Some games are already challenging without the lives system, but it feels wrong getting rid of lives for games that were literally built with that in mind to motivate you to play better
For me at least, lives don't motivate me to play better, they nullify my motivation to play at all. I don't enjoy being forced to repeat tasks that I already demonstrated the ability to complete just because a later part of a game is giving me trouble, so I'm more likely to switch to a game that doesn't rely on lives to artificially extend itself instead.
I think the option of no lives system is good for those who want it, but not being able to independently toggle things like lives, widescreen, drop dash, and cutscenes is a real fun killer. You either get to play with all the new stuff, or none of it. No in between. What if someone wants to play in widescreen, but without coins or dropdash? Or with lives and dropdash, but in widescreen, etc
I really liked sonic's classic voice, I can understand not being able to get the original voice actor - but nothings stopping them from re-casting like they have many times with sonic. I think this one really fit though, and they had absolutely no right stripping sonic away from his voice in cd (don't think they added it in classic mode either, probably due to sega.)
I think SEGA has the right to do anything they want with Sonic, considering they own the rights to him and are the company that developed and published the game. I, personally, did not like the voice and am glad they removed it. I can understand the disappointment, though.
@@colbyfrewin9714 That and Anniversary Mode is the main culprit for its reason... ignoring the fact that they kept the voice clips intact in 2011 ports.
I think Amy had a big role in the final cutscene because she was going to be playable, but we all know Sega’s greedy and rushed the games so they could profit. Heck, she might have even had her own story mode in CD like Knuckles had in 3&K!
@@mazkeraid4039 But if they only wanted to rehash what we already have, they wouldn't have made Tails and Knuckles playable in Sonic 1. That doesn't make sense, does it? Times have changed. Amy's role in the group is bigger than it used to be, not just in terms of modern!Amy, but in classic as well. She's prominent in Origins' cutscenes. She has an equal share in the classic-themed Sonic Mega Drive comics alongside the other three. Amy's more popular than ever, and the Sonic franchise isn't an old boys' club anymore. It's her turn.
@@trumpeterjen You must’ve forgotten that if it were not for Sonic the Fighters, she wouldn’t be made for today. Plus, Stealth is on his own when developing Sonic Origins with Retro Engine to boot, so I doubt he’ll just make sprites for Amy from the ground up. And another thing, I don’t care how popular she got now, it doesn’t change the fact that she was rather insignificant at points.
@@mazkeraid4039 No, I haven't forgotten. Amy isn't her former self in the franchise right now. She's come a long way. She's not insignificant *now.* Even in the Origins cutscenes, she's swinging her hammer alongside the others. It doesn't matter that Sonic the Fighters isn't part of the collection. She's part of the core group, and the hammer comes with her. Modders have been putting Amy into the classic games and Mania for years now, even with her classic design. It's completely doable. Sega hired people like that for Mania. They could easily do so here. This isn't about the past, it's about updating the old. That's why there's drop-dashing and spin-dashing. That's why Tails and Knuckles are in Sonic 1 now. They weren't originally, but times have changed. It's now jarring that Amy's not there because her role in the franchise isn't the same. A LOT of people would pick up Origins if they added playable Amy, myself included. It's the right move.
@@trumpeterjen Modding Amy in the games doesn't count, and regardless what you may think, Sonic Origins Plus may not be a reality anytime soon. There should be more patches available and did you think I forgot that Tails wasn't even in Sonic CD originally? Also, how is Amy going to play, emulating the Advance movepools? If Amy did not appear in Mania Plus, what makes you think she'll get a second chance here?
The complaint of having to get all the emeralds on a single run in Origins is kinda moot when you consider the fact that Origins lets you retry the special stages upon failing. So unless you're an ultra purist, you don't need to go back to the stages to attempt the emerald again. Sure, you need Coins, but it's not like it's hard to rack up a decent amount of those.
So there was an update that fixed the following: -Tails doesn’t get stuck in Sonic 2 anymore -New cheats (for Sonic 3&K Sound Test -Other stuff I can’t remember
They didn’t fix tails they just made it so you can’t here him jumping infinity, they also fixed the blue spheres music not speeding up and enabled the sonic 3 codes that were already in the game but were disabled
The canonical reason for Tails not being in CD was because he went to a plane convention, I think that has alot more charm to it than Sonic just not meeting him yet.
Man, you’ve really grown as a channel. I remember back in the day when you asked me to do a green screen fight scene for you in Super Mario 64 LMFAOO. Good job, kiddo. I’m really proud of you 💯
9:34 Sonic CD was not intended as a sequel, its chronological position was never clear until the release of Sonic 4. With the release of Sonic 4, Sonic CD was placed between 3&K and Sonic 4 (Although now they changed it and it is between Sonic 1 and 2).
@@dshaynietheawesome What's wrong with it? Sonic 4 is completely canonical and, although it has now changed, at the time it was explained that it is a continuation of Sonic CD
@@juanignaciotello6045 sonic 4 is not canonical anymore and i think you knew that also don't you think the existence of sonic cd being placed between sonic 1 and 2 may mean oh i dunno thats what is officially canon now but keep to your preferred headcanon i won't argue
@@dshaynietheawesome I think you're being unreasonable about the topic. While, yes, it does make the most sense that Sonic CD takes place between 1 and 2, that doesn't discount that there have always been valid reasons to believe otherwise. It's a bit strange to outright pretend that it makes no sense for CD to have taken place after 3&K when there's plenty of reasonable evidence that could have previously made a case for it.
Great vid that outlines the good and the bad of this game. As a fellow Aussie I can’t justify the price for this game considering the many little issues. I’ll consider it for maybe 20-30 dollars.
That ending bit of the video was pretty good. I like how ya had yourself green screened into what looks like Sonic 2s ending with the music. Still a great ending to a great game.
About the Sonic CD ending cutscenes, the speed in Origins its the real speed that its supposed to play, It was the 1996 PC port which slowed the ending down to fit most of the song in it
It was only coming back to edit where I figured that out and they were slowed to fit the credits on both pc and sega cd but I couldn’t help but feel in some places it was too fast which is why i made my own edit adjusting the speed and sound in places
I’m surprised you didn’t go over the weird physics, especially in 3&K. There’s some stuff that isn’t even accessible that was before. Specifically that one big ring in Hydrocity
to the people in the comments trying to defend Origins' downsides, shortcomings and detrimental bugs, i present to you a concept: a game that is what it says it is in advertising and description, works as intended, and doesn't inconvenience the player through developer error, poor decision-making or game/content pricing. it's a bit of a fantastical concept, i know, but just imagine it for a second.
@@dshaynietheawesome perhaps also, sorry to everyone else who reads my comment above, it is pretty snarky 😬 also, cool video on the debug and cheat code stuff, dshaynie. i appreciate having that now, can't believe i didn't know about some of the stuff in it
this is a good review. it hits on many good points. as someone that doesnt have as much time to game as I used to i appreciate the unlimited lives change. but agree it should be optional.
I'm actually so pissed that they had the nerve to de-list it off of Steam. All I can really do now is play them on an emulator (if you want, use ClassicBoy Pro) since my high school has restricted computer games.
I think I would consider getting the game if Amy was actually playable. (Was gonna say Amy is underrated, but is she really with fans at this point? I know she used to be called annoying back then, but I see a lot more appreciation for her character these days. Not just the Boom version either. I mean her original character back in the adventure games up to unleashed)
@@mazkeraid4039: Thanks. The comment is now edited. No time like the present for change, which goes for more than just my comment. Amy usually has pretty unique gameplay when she is playable, so I am very hopeful for her inclusion beyond cameos.
Would of been a day one buy if they made physicals. Something tells me SEGA didn’t so they can pull the games off the online market at some point to make another collection in the future
Origins Plus was announced, Amy is Playable, and that’s about it besides a bunch of smaller games being included, (Sonic Triple Trouble, Mean Bean Machine, Tail’s Adventure, etc). Sadly no Chaotix, neither the game nor as playable characters.
If head cannon actually was able to finish sonic 3 & Knuckles we could’ve got an option between animated remaster of the sonic 3 and knuckles cutscenes and the originals. Edit : idk actually care if they did that or not cause the originals are still master pieces
16:24 Alright time for the biggest one, one of the other collaborators (Bobby Brooks), seems to have been the lone guy that caused the music for the 3 zones (also Competition Menu and S3 Ending, the latter of which is used in the Best Ending only) to be replaced with the new tracks
I hate to be that guy but in this game you do have consequences when you die, you get set back to the last checkpoint and the level resets to how it was when you hit the checkpoint, but in family guy back to the multiverse where when you die enemies don’t respawn, stages don’t reset, and in the boss fights, the bosses health doesn’t even reset, when you get to the final boss, it throws everything at you
I never really had a problem with them I only ever failed them about twice during my origins playthrough but truthfully I’ve been playing this version of cd since 2014
I can see some of the problems like coins replacing the lives count being weird to hyper veterans. However because it takes the lives counter's place on the screen, the screen feels complete and has close to everything. It may be useless while playing, but having something like lives that isn't lives take the place makes it feel better instead of removing it altogether in m opinion. It's so minor though that I think that you became a part of the compromised minority. Sorry that the game broke your nostalgia.
It’s not so much my nostalgia as i can go without lives or a lives icon but i feel plastering coins on the screen feels so extra and so unnecessary and clashes with the visual style of the game so it stands out in a very annoying way or at least thats how i feel
@@dshaynietheawesome I think reason it's changed like that is because it's the easiest way to convey where you can get coins in the level. Basically it's to show that coins replace lives in a mechanical sense. I think it's smart, but by your reaction it seemed you were really influenced by the lives count previously so the change didn't sit well. If the game had better gameplay settings, I think it would have been fine but they didn't do that. Probably because it is easier to market the game if they are modes rather than settings.
I am not really sure why anyone cares about the lives system. On one hand, infinite chances is more accessible to new comers but for veterans.. come on, when was the last time we lost any lives on these games? Also, in the last few games to use lives they are essentially pointless as post game over screen we are still back where we were due to save systems. It's the way that the classic / original mode is just the anniversary mode cropped that makes no sense to me. That isn't what it says on the tin at all..
@@Zaphod-ef9yz You're not wrong. I haven't played classic mode but if they bring you back to your last checkpoint, then it's just an annoyance in that you have to go through the screen just to be back when that wasn't necessary. It it brings you to the start of act 1 of the current zone then I think that's fine.
The complaint about the coins counter seems like a nitpick. It's still in the same style. Anyway, the game is JUST like Super Mario 3D All-Stars, in that a game is missing! Knuckles Chaotix! There's not even a rerelease for that, as far as I know.
@@dshaynietheawesome See, that's why it should BE remastered! They could fix or tweak broken stuff. But that would probably be too much work? Anyway, it follows the usual Sonic rule of having good music, so it's sad that people can't get it in context anymore.
@@bsharpmajorscale Ngl having a option to disable the ring mechanic with some level design changes if you do disable, would already make the game much better.
What an amazing video. As a relative new fan of Sonic, I don’t feel that much of a pain for the changes since I can just play these games on modern consoles like this and call it a day. I still don’t know if there’s hope for another update since they re-branded to Origins Plus (the version I got) but yeah, definitely a great video
13:26 I'm happy you seem to be the only one who noticed. When I saw the sped up ending I was upset. Are you really gonna speed it up just because the opening was fast? The only reason the opening was like that was to have the movie match the same length as the song. I'm also really pissed they used the beta ver of you can do anything just like sonic jam did. THANK GOD WE HAD MODS TO FIX THOSE ISSUES. at least I'm thankful for the cutscene upscaling.
The whole coins debacle is probably my second biggest nitpick, right behind the screwed up save system. Score, Rings, and Lives all tied together in the originals in a way that gave you a reason to grow your skill that was tangible on screen. Lives existed as both a reward and punishment, punishing you for playing too poorly with a game over while rewarding you for playing well by incrementally inching you away from that happening into an ever growing safety net. Holding 100 rings at the same time rewarded a 1-up, and earning enough score did the same, with continues only further adding to your ability to grow your safety net. Holding onto large amounts of rings would also reward you with score at the end of each stage, potentially giving you even more lives. I hear the argument around all over the place of "Well if you never game over anyway, why do you even care about it being removed?" to which I reiterate the important distinction: Growing your skill to the point you can build up your safety net is different from there not being any danger to begin with. Safety nets are earned. Not having danger by default just makes all of the tied together game mechanics built around that danger pointless. Without lives, why should you bother holding onto more than 1 ring with fewer than 7 chaos emeralds? Why should you care about score at all in general? For maximum accessibility, I would have handled it like this; Give the player three different options for lives in the settings menu and pause menu: Style 1 - Classic (Player has classic lives, can spend coins in special stages if they want to) Style 2 - Safe (Player has Infinite lives, can spend coins in special stages if they want to) Style 3 - Modern (Coins act as lives, and can also be spent in special stages) Apply this to Classic Mode as well and have both modes use the same save data, and you've got all the accessibility you could ever want or need. Why did we not get this?
@@mazkeraid4039 Considering what actually released was not the same thing as what STEALTH and Headcannon turned in, it's possible they did implement them as options and SEGA removed them after the fact.
Origins was well worth the purchase for me and I still have a good time with it when I play.. here’s hoping Origins Plus will add some more QOL fixes and features to make it even better
Some of these complaints are ridiculous, especially the coins one. And I know some people find commentary funny, but the yelling and joking during it wasn’t
4:39 - It actually is more convenient to have a manual open on your phone while playing so you don't have to go through any in-game process to glance at things. But still. I wish they'd had an in-game manual AS WELL.
Thank you so much to everyone who has watched, liked and commented.
I didn't think so many people would see this it really means alot
also for the many of you asking sonic 3 a.i.r is a fanmade remaster of sonic 3 and they have made it avalible on mobile devices
Blue hedgehog
Summed up my thoughts on this game well, also funny skit at the start. Bonus points for being a fellow Aussie lad
bro forgot he can play it in mobile
I got the game the other day, and as I’ve never really played the games before it’s pretty good
@dshaynie
So how can any new player play Sonic.T.H.3&K A.I.R without the Steam rom, due to it being delisted?
Do I need Sonic Origin’s?
Origins is like taking all the mobile ports and locking the phone onto a sonic and knuckles cartridge
Lol
No way no way no way no way no way no way no way no way
@@xxsegaxx that's what I said when they released origins
“Collect Blue Spheres”
Mobile and knuckles
The intro was the perfect definition of the whole game
Ikr and then it said "common sense" 😆
@@EpicTheHedgehogOG I disagree with that sentiment.
The ending was better
They took the "common sense" out of those games
Edit: in the Intro
@@TypmitKFC No they didn’t, at least, I don’t believe so.
I love to play as Coins the Currency. He’s my favorite character.
Original character, do not steal
And he gets super-pregnant by Trails the Hedgefund.
@CoolGamer2773 Just kidding. I'm actually not one of those subset of Sonic fans.
@@right_hand_power7960you did not have to say that
Coins is also the richest character
19:08 FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!! It's such a huge killer for replayability and the lack of an easy 'game opts' button like Mania also means I have to have the sound test codes memorized for NO REASON AT ALL! amazing video, so thorough
It is probably my single biggest gripe with the game. It's such an odd change to make, and just makes it worse. I can get some people preferring to do perfect runs, but then... Nothing would be stopping you from doing that anyway if they used the Sonic 3 save system. Is it really so much to ask for a stage select to appear when you load up cleared game data? And what's the deal with only getting one save per character?
Okay.
Sonic 1 sound test code: up, down, left, right
Debug code (sonic 1) release date: 19910623
Sonic 2 sound test code: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right
Debug code (sonic 2) release date: 19921124
Sonic 3 sound test code: up, up, down, down, up, up, up, up
Debug code (sonic 3) release date; 19941018
Super sonic code (all games, in sound test) 4, 1, 2, 6
Hyper sonic code (sonic 3 only, in sound test) 4, 1, 2, 6 twice
I still feel the Micheal Jackson issue is just a little bullshit. He was employed by Sega to make the tracks, all this could've been avoided by a better written contract.
Also I would've loved to see something worthwhile for collecting the coins like cosmetics for the characters. Perhaps the ability to use different Sonic sprites like S3&K Sonic in CD or other games.
That is exactly what I wanted too! (The second paragraph)
To be fair, lots of Sega's history could've been avoided with a better written contract. That's why Sonic Spinball was initially recalled, why Sonic X-Treme had so many issues in development, and why the Ken Penders Chronicles even happened to begin with.
@@oldchannel2892 A lot of the Ken Penders debacle was on Archie Comics being the most incompetent company ever, though Sega certainly didn't help the situation doing shit like enforcing mandates but providing nothing to enable the artists to follow them.
A lot of issues at SEGA could have been avoided from the get go had SEGA employeed management members who don't have room temperature IQ, this time it's celcius and the location is Antarctica.
Well there's a reason why Sega isn't making consoles anymore. Because Sega wasn't ran by the smartest people
You can skip 90% of Sonic & Knuckles by jumping into the ring at the start of Mushroom Hill, pausing the game when the screen whites out and selecting Restart. Game gets confused and throws you to Hidden Palace
wouldn't that be 50%?
@@dshaynietheawesome I was just over exaggerating since that skip feels like it’s most of the S&K portion skipped
@@dshaynietheawesome well it would be %90 if you played the knuckles campaign considering he doesn't visit the death egg and sky sanctuary is literally just a final boss not a proper zone
Good video. I like how you didn't defend SEGA for their bizarre and somewhat predatory decisions, and gave them credit for the things they did right. Often with videos about Sonic, people tend to be too extreme. It is either the "worse game ever" or "fans need to stop complaining".
As for me, I will be waiting for at least a 50% discount on Steam. The current price, especially where I live, is way too expensive for a collection of games I played dozens of times already. I was hoping the pricing would be more reasonable like with the Mega Man, Mega Man X and Mega Man Zero Collections, but SEGA (and Bandai Namco with the Klonoa Collection) decided to go the opposite way with their price tags.
I will always give positive feedback where necessary but i am not afraid to call out BS especially when it seems to follow no logical sense and that pretty much sums up origins theres some good but theres also some bad
Im not sure if you can, but from what I know… if you play story mode, since there isn’t menus you can’t change Sonic CD to have the JP soundtrack
same here
With you saying about being a shill, who kisses Sega's ass, I recall seeing Badnik Mechanic doing just that with his review. Because when it came to lives, or the lack of options to toggle them on and off in both modes, he simply laughed "haha, shut up, scum!" And then proceed to brush off any would be complaints as he remarks about how it makes the games more accessible to others and doesn't impact your experience in anyway, so there is that. Though surely having more options instead of less would make the game more accessible still, and also wouldn't impact his experience in anyway. Just saying.
Well there's a steam sale the past weekend, which is why I own the steam version 😂
“RINGS IS WHAT SONIC IS KNOWN FOR.”
Speed: “well guess I’m useless.”
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Weeeeeeeell, if you wanna get technical, I'd say he's known for three things.
Gold Rings, One Button, and most telling of all, Speed.
There's also Attitude, but no one really seems to care about that since Sonic was apparently "cute and innocent" back in the Classic games.
I don't get it
@@cedialive2759 "cute" bro can be considered a fucking menace in the wrong enviroment
@LifeformCore Nobody knows Sonic for his 'being friendly,' 'being cocky,' or 'saving the world,' OR 'defeating Robotnik.'
It's really just 'speed,' and even 'skills' is a bit of a stretch. Unless you're talking about in-universe.
16:17 The Carnival night music is timed with Sonic hitting the ice cap snowboard wall and reaching the ground which is kinda funny
ayyye haha that is funny
You're an absolute criminal how did you notice that
They've actually updated Origins, so all the Knuckles Chaotix has been labeled correctly
They also fixed the tails off the screen issue... They fixed these issues before this video came out yet he doesn't mention it 🤔
But I still can’t admire Sonic CD in widescreen in Original Mode :/
8:18 yes, yes it does. Some games are already challenging without the lives system, but it feels wrong getting rid of lives for games that were literally built with that in mind to motivate you to play better
For me at least, lives don't motivate me to play better, they nullify my motivation to play at all.
I don't enjoy being forced to repeat tasks that I already demonstrated the ability to complete just because a later part of a game is giving me trouble, so I'm more likely to switch to a game that doesn't rely on lives to artificially extend itself instead.
I think the option of no lives system is good for those who want it, but not being able to independently toggle things like lives, widescreen, drop dash, and cutscenes is a real fun killer. You either get to play with all the new stuff, or none of it. No in between. What if someone wants to play in widescreen, but without coins or dropdash? Or with lives and dropdash, but in widescreen, etc
@@botanicalmenace9995 Seconded. The more options a player has to tweak their experience, the better.
I really liked sonic's classic voice, I can understand not being able to get the original voice actor - but nothings stopping them from re-casting like they have many times with sonic. I think this one really fit though, and they had absolutely no right stripping sonic away from his voice in cd (don't think they added it in classic mode either, probably due to sega.)
I think SEGA has the right to do anything they want with Sonic, considering they own the rights to him and are the company that developed and published the game. I, personally, did not like the voice and am glad they removed it. I can understand the disappointment, though.
@@colbyfrewin9714 That and Anniversary Mode is the main culprit for its reason... ignoring the fact that they kept the voice clips intact in 2011 ports.
I like the way that "Coins" is an anogram of "Sonic" - was that quicker than removing the icon🤣
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I think Amy had a big role in the final cutscene because she was going to be playable, but we all know Sega’s greedy and rushed the games so they could profit. Heck, she might have even had her own story mode in CD like Knuckles had in 3&K!
This is called Sonic Origins for a reason, and Piko Piko shouldn't be made for Amy until Sonic the Fighters.
@@mazkeraid4039 But if they only wanted to rehash what we already have, they wouldn't have made Tails and Knuckles playable in Sonic 1. That doesn't make sense, does it?
Times have changed. Amy's role in the group is bigger than it used to be, not just in terms of modern!Amy, but in classic as well. She's prominent in Origins' cutscenes. She has an equal share in the classic-themed Sonic Mega Drive comics alongside the other three. Amy's more popular than ever, and the Sonic franchise isn't an old boys' club anymore. It's her turn.
@@trumpeterjen You must’ve forgotten that if it were not for Sonic the Fighters, she wouldn’t be made for today.
Plus, Stealth is on his own when developing Sonic Origins with Retro Engine to boot, so I doubt he’ll just make sprites for Amy from the ground up.
And another thing, I don’t care how popular she got now, it doesn’t change the fact that she was rather insignificant at points.
@@mazkeraid4039 No, I haven't forgotten. Amy isn't her former self in the franchise right now. She's come a long way. She's not insignificant *now.* Even in the Origins cutscenes, she's swinging her hammer alongside the others. It doesn't matter that Sonic the Fighters isn't part of the collection. She's part of the core group, and the hammer comes with her.
Modders have been putting Amy into the classic games and Mania for years now, even with her classic design. It's completely doable. Sega hired people like that for Mania. They could easily do so here.
This isn't about the past, it's about updating the old. That's why there's drop-dashing and spin-dashing. That's why Tails and Knuckles are in Sonic 1 now. They weren't originally, but times have changed. It's now jarring that Amy's not there because her role in the franchise isn't the same. A LOT of people would pick up Origins if they added playable Amy, myself included. It's the right move.
@@trumpeterjen Modding Amy in the games doesn't count, and regardless what you may think, Sonic Origins Plus may not be a reality anytime soon.
There should be more patches available and did you think I forgot that Tails wasn't even in Sonic CD originally?
Also, how is Amy going to play, emulating the Advance movepools? If Amy did not appear in Mania Plus, what makes you think she'll get a second chance here?
The ending of Sonic CD and the removal of the voices of sonic isn’t the developers fault. It’s Sega’s fault. Sega purposefully sabatoged it.
See people give Sega credit for being supportive of modding when in reality they're just a more douchey Nintendo.
at least they dont sue you for even saying their fricking name...
The complaint of having to get all the emeralds on a single run in Origins is kinda moot when you consider the fact that Origins lets you retry the special stages upon failing. So unless you're an ultra purist, you don't need to go back to the stages to attempt the emerald again. Sure, you need Coins, but it's not like it's hard to rack up a decent amount of those.
Purist Mode activated
Apparently Sonic's plane comes from his father... Who we never get to see, ever...
Didnt he show up in the Archie Comics?
@@RealA-90
Not canon to the games, that's its own thing
So there was an update that fixed the following:
-Tails doesn’t get stuck in Sonic 2 anymore
-New cheats (for Sonic 3&K Sound Test
-Other stuff I can’t remember
They didn’t fix tails they just made it so you can’t here him jumping infinity, they also fixed the blue spheres music not speeding up and enabled the sonic 3 codes that were already in the game but were disabled
@@dshaynietheawesome For Tails thing, eh that's still good in its own right
14:58 As for Stealth, he said was SEGA made major modifications to his work, some due to how Origins was, some not
The greatest sin was no mighty and ray
13:04
Sonic: im outta here!
Song: yayyyy
Yep, the song hates sonic
High quality, underrated youtuber.
Dshaynie is waaaaaaaay to underrated
It took me 11 years to realize that "Sonic" is an anagramm of "Coins". I'm not sure how I feel about this.
coins…. mario…. sonic…. rings…
When they refered to new playable characters, i expected Mighty and Ray tbh
Totally loved this video. The humour, the special effects, and of course the in-depth look into Origins and its options. Top notch!
The canonical reason for Tails not being in CD was because he went to a plane convention, I think that has alot more charm to it than Sonic just not meeting him yet.
21:25 Now I know why Knuckles wasn't added to the game.
Man, you’ve really grown as a channel.
I remember back in the day when you asked me to do a green screen fight scene for you in Super Mario 64 LMFAOO.
Good job, kiddo. I’m really proud of you 💯
🫡
ok the first scene where you tape sonic 1,2,CD & 3 together is downright funny
I find it hilarious that Sega went through all of the effort to replace the MJ songs, but forgot to take Brad Buxer out of the credits.
They should've remade these games in the animation style of the menus IMO. We already have Megadrive Sonic games on the Nintendo online.
"Got to visit the beautiful good futures" proceeds to show a bad future💀
I was waiting for the jump at the end and it was more perfect than I could have possibly imagined
9:34 Sonic CD was not intended as a sequel, its chronological position was never clear until the release of Sonic 4. With the release of Sonic 4, Sonic CD was placed between 3&K and Sonic 4 (Although now they changed it and it is between Sonic 1 and 2).
You really want to use sonic 4 to make your point?
@@dshaynietheawesome What's wrong with it? Sonic 4 is completely canonical and, although it has now changed, at the time it was explained that it is a continuation of Sonic CD
@@juanignaciotello6045 sonic 4 is not canonical anymore and i think you knew that also don't you think the existence of sonic cd being placed between sonic 1 and 2 may mean oh i dunno thats what is officially canon now
but keep to your preferred headcanon i won't argue
@@dshaynietheawesome Where did you get that Sonic 4 is not canon? I did not hear that
@@dshaynietheawesome I think you're being unreasonable about the topic. While, yes, it does make the most sense that Sonic CD takes place between 1 and 2, that doesn't discount that there have always been valid reasons to believe otherwise. It's a bit strange to outright pretend that it makes no sense for CD to have taken place after 3&K when there's plenty of reasonable evidence that could have previously made a case for it.
I saw someone say "Tails is playable in SCU let's gooooo" Poor them.
12:09
Doc/original Devs: That's How time traveling Works
Marty/Kids You telling me you made a horrible remaster, OnTop of A Masterpiece?!?!
Lol
that avgn reference was perfect 😂😂
I LOVED that finale
Great vid that outlines the good and the bad of this game. As a fellow Aussie I can’t justify the price for this game considering the many little issues. I’ll consider it for maybe 20-30 dollars.
I really like your passion for the Sonic series. The green screen segments were great. I hope your channel continues to grow!!
And yet, people bought it in droves.
Either we're doing something wrong or Sega is doing something horribly, horribly right
Omgg!! "What where they thinking?!?!"
I love that the reference went so far as to dress up as the nerd
it felt fitting
23:52 This is me realizing that sonic 3 a.i.r. exists
Thankfully as of the day this uploaded, the Tails bug is fixed and the blue sphere music speeds up properly.
That ending bit of the video was pretty good. I like how ya had yourself green screened into what looks like Sonic 2s ending with the music. Still a great ending to a great game.
Love this video, well organized and was really nice to watch. Keep up the great work!
OK I wasn't expecting an AVGN reference, it make me laugh ngl.
About the Sonic CD ending cutscenes, the speed in Origins its the real speed that its supposed to play,
It was the 1996 PC port which slowed the ending down to fit most of the song in it
It was only coming back to edit where I figured that out and they were slowed to fit the credits on both pc and sega cd but I couldn’t help but feel in some places it was too fast which is why i made my own edit adjusting the speed and sound in places
7:27 "Also, coin. Coins and Sonic. *_Mario_** coin sound plays twice while some are shown on screen* _COINS!!!"_
they should have put red rings instead of coins lol
17:00 I’ll do you one better, MJ’s Ice Cap is my favorite song in the series
7:21 got me rolling on the floor
7:20
Not gonna like you are one of the best channels to watch when you are just looking to learn something and you’re funny while you’re doing
I’m surprised you didn’t go over the weird physics, especially in 3&K. There’s some stuff that isn’t even accessible that was before. Specifically that one big ring in Hydrocity
I haven’t experienced or noticed this
I was never able to get that ring in the real version.
to the people in the comments trying to defend Origins' downsides, shortcomings and detrimental bugs, i present to you a concept:
a game that is what it says it is in advertising and description, works as intended, and doesn't inconvenience the player through developer error, poor decision-making or game/content pricing. it's a bit of a fantastical concept, i know, but just imagine it for a second.
Sounds like a myth to me
@@dshaynietheawesome perhaps
also, sorry to everyone else who reads my comment above, it is pretty snarky 😬
also, cool video on the debug and cheat code stuff, dshaynie. i appreciate having that now, can't believe i didn't know about some of the stuff in it
this is a good review. it hits on many good points.
as someone that doesnt have as much time to game as I used to i appreciate the unlimited lives change. but agree it should be optional.
lmfao you sold me on that beginning, absolutely hilarious
20:20 avgn moment and I'm happy for it
24:06 also, the retro engine got decompiled recently which means you could have sonic mania on your phone with 1 2 CD and 3 A.I.R
Wait how
I need to know how
I'm actually so pissed that they had the nerve to de-list it off of Steam. All I can really do now is play them on an emulator (if you want, use ClassicBoy Pro) since my high school has restricted computer games.
I think I would consider getting the game if Amy was actually playable.
(Was gonna say Amy is underrated, but is she really with fans at this point? I know she used to be called annoying back then, but I see a lot more appreciation for her character these days. Not just the Boom version either. I mean her original character back in the adventure games up to unleashed)
I think you mean if, and I'll say this as the guy who grew up with Sonic, Amy was just there in later games (with the exception of Unleashed).
@@mazkeraid4039: Thanks. The comment is now edited.
No time like the present for change, which goes for more than just my comment. Amy usually has pretty unique gameplay when she is playable, so I am very hopeful for her inclusion beyond cameos.
@@fishnewt1331 I would have as well, but…
Would of been a day one buy if they made physicals. Something tells me SEGA didn’t so they can pull the games off the online market at some point to make another collection in the future
Origins Plus was announced, Amy is Playable, and that’s about it besides a bunch of smaller games being included, (Sonic Triple Trouble, Mean Bean Machine, Tail’s Adventure, etc). Sadly no Chaotix, neither the game nor as playable characters.
If head cannon actually was able to finish sonic 3 & Knuckles we could’ve got an option between animated remaster of the sonic 3 and knuckles cutscenes and the originals.
Edit : idk actually care if they did that or not cause the originals are still master pieces
Thanks for making this video all that time ago. If you hadn’t I would’ve had no idea 3 A.I.R. Was available on mobile.
For changing Ice Cap music they WON'T be forgiven. Never.
That “NOO-” at the end made me laugh I was just expecting the video to end
That was the best outro I've ever seen.
The "coins" schpeal was such a strange nitpick. Why waste so much energy on such a miniscule change?
24:03 Me If Big Man Loses The Splatfest
16:24 Alright time for the biggest one, one of the other collaborators (Bobby Brooks), seems to have been the lone guy that caused the music for the 3 zones (also Competition Menu and S3 Ending, the latter of which is used in the Best Ending only) to be replaced with the new tracks
I seriously got a Sonic Origins Ad 🗿
I hate to be that guy but in this game you do have consequences when you die, you get set back to the last checkpoint and the level resets to how it was when you hit the checkpoint, but in family guy back to the multiverse where when you die enemies don’t respawn, stages don’t reset, and in the boss fights, the bosses health doesn’t even reset, when you get to the final boss, it throws everything at you
The Coins system is a must when you want to do those goddam awful Sonic CD Special Stages…
I never really had a problem with them I only ever failed them about twice during my origins playthrough but truthfully I’ve been playing this version of cd since 2014
I love the intro, it is so accurate and funny at the same time.
I can see some of the problems like coins replacing the lives count being weird to hyper veterans. However because it takes the lives counter's place on the screen, the screen feels complete and has close to everything. It may be useless while playing, but having something like lives that isn't lives take the place makes it feel better instead of removing it altogether in m opinion. It's so minor though that I think that you became a part of the compromised minority. Sorry that the game broke your nostalgia.
It’s not so much my nostalgia as i can go without lives or a lives icon but i feel plastering coins on the screen feels so extra and so unnecessary and clashes with the visual style of the game so it stands out in a very annoying way or at least thats how i feel
@@dshaynietheawesome I think reason it's changed like that is because it's the easiest way to convey where you can get coins in the level. Basically it's to show that coins replace lives in a mechanical sense. I think it's smart, but by your reaction it seemed you were really influenced by the lives count previously so the change didn't sit well. If the game had better gameplay settings, I think it would have been fine but they didn't do that. Probably because it is easier to market the game if they are modes rather than settings.
I am not really sure why anyone cares about the lives system. On one hand, infinite chances is more accessible to new comers but for veterans.. come on, when was the last time we lost any lives on these games? Also, in the last few games to use lives they are essentially pointless as post game over screen we are still back where we were due to save systems.
It's the way that the classic / original mode is just the anniversary mode cropped that makes no sense to me. That isn't what it says on the tin at all..
@@Zaphod-ef9yz You're not wrong. I haven't played classic mode but if they bring you back to your last checkpoint, then it's just an annoyance in that you have to go through the screen just to be back when that wasn't necessary. It it brings you to the start of act 1 of the current zone then I think that's fine.
Did any of you know that u can spell sonic from
Coins
Sonic
So technically it still says sonic
been a while since I laughed with a review. Great review, detailed and unbiased. May get the game if the price goes down significantly.
17:00 me too me too bro 😢
The complaint about the coins counter seems like a nitpick. It's still in the same style. Anyway, the game is JUST like Super Mario 3D All-Stars, in that a game is missing! Knuckles Chaotix! There's not even a rerelease for that, as far as I know.
go and play knuckles chaotix then come back and tell me if you still want it remastered
@@dshaynietheawesome See, that's why it should BE remastered! They could fix or tweak broken stuff. But that would probably be too much work? Anyway, it follows the usual Sonic rule of having good music, so it's sad that people can't get it in context anymore.
@@bsharpmajorscale Ngl having a option to disable the ring mechanic with some level design changes if you do disable, would already make the game much better.
Coins the hedgehog sounds like a good name for a sonic oc
10:25 Ohohohohoho nooooooooooooooooo
Maybe in your corner of the internet people think that, but definitely not in mine. US Soundtrack is a bop
bruh someone made a mod that adds Mighty as a new playable character in Sonic 3 A.I.R. also the part at the end
What an amazing video. As a relative new fan of Sonic, I don’t feel that much of a pain for the changes since I can just play these games on modern consoles like this and call it a day. I still don’t know if there’s hope for another update since they re-branded to Origins Plus (the version I got) but yeah, definitely a great video
9:26 *"SCREW YOU, LABYRINTH ZONE!"*
13:26
I'm happy you seem to be the only one who noticed. When I saw the sped up ending I was upset. Are you really gonna speed it up just because the opening was fast?
The only reason the opening was like that was to have the movie match the same length as the song. I'm also really pissed they used the beta ver of you can do anything just like sonic jam did. THANK GOD WE HAD MODS TO FIX THOSE ISSUES. at least I'm thankful for the cutscene upscaling.
The whole coins debacle is probably my second biggest nitpick, right behind the screwed up save system. Score, Rings, and Lives all tied together in the originals in a way that gave you a reason to grow your skill that was tangible on screen. Lives existed as both a reward and punishment, punishing you for playing too poorly with a game over while rewarding you for playing well by incrementally inching you away from that happening into an ever growing safety net. Holding 100 rings at the same time rewarded a 1-up, and earning enough score did the same, with continues only further adding to your ability to grow your safety net. Holding onto large amounts of rings would also reward you with score at the end of each stage, potentially giving you even more lives.
I hear the argument around all over the place of "Well if you never game over anyway, why do you even care about it being removed?" to which I reiterate the important distinction: Growing your skill to the point you can build up your safety net is different from there not being any danger to begin with. Safety nets are earned. Not having danger by default just makes all of the tied together game mechanics built around that danger pointless. Without lives, why should you bother holding onto more than 1 ring with fewer than 7 chaos emeralds? Why should you care about score at all in general?
For maximum accessibility, I would have handled it like this; Give the player three different options for lives in the settings menu and pause menu:
Style 1 - Classic (Player has classic lives, can spend coins in special stages if they want to)
Style 2 - Safe (Player has Infinite lives, can spend coins in special stages if they want to)
Style 3 - Modern (Coins act as lives, and can also be spent in special stages)
Apply this to Classic Mode as well and have both modes use the same save data, and you've got all the accessibility you could ever want or need. Why did we not get this?
See?!
@@mazkeraid4039 See what?
@@Crow_Rising The options that Stealth and SEGA should've done.
@@mazkeraid4039 Considering what actually released was not the same thing as what STEALTH and Headcannon turned in, it's possible they did implement them as options and SEGA removed them after the fact.
@@Crow_Rising No idea what feature he and his team had though, what he described on Twitter is justified but vague.
You, complain about coins? Oh wait, you're a Sonic fan of course.
This game is perfect for me,sonic 3 prototype music is great just everything is.
Agreed.
20:19 That AVGN reference though 😭
“Screw you Labyrinth Zone”
If you ever play Sonic 2, wait until you get to Metropolis Zone
any time Sonic has anything good associated with it Sega is going to find a way to ruin it
The ending made me laugh
Perfect title, I couldn’t off said it any better myself to be honest. Good video!
9:40 "Ive had people telling me for years it takes place after sonic 3K" me who says it's after sonic 2 ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Finally someone who's agrees with me even though we're wrong
Origins was well worth the purchase for me and I still have a good time with it when I play.. here’s hoping Origins Plus will add some more QOL fixes and features to make it even better
Awkward that this video was released a day after some of the bugs were already fixed in a patch lol
Wow this is a really well pit together vid
17:38 tails u good
Moders do what seg don't to got me dying on the floor.
Some of these complaints are ridiculous, especially the coins one. And I know some people find commentary funny, but the yelling and joking during it wasn’t
4:39 - It actually is more convenient to have a manual open on your phone while playing so you don't have to go through any in-game process to glance at things. But still. I wish they'd had an in-game manual AS WELL.