Hey, commenter! This video was scripted and recorded before Takashi Iizuka confirmed that Sonic Superstars takes place after Sonic Mania. At 15:55, I said that I believed it fit between Sonic 3 and Sonic Mania. I now know this isn't the case, so you don't have to make the comment. The ranking would have likely still been a 4/5 if this was known information. I'll try to ask Iizuka to warn me ahead of time before he makes a statement like that.
Also sorry bc of my bad behaviour when you first arrived in shalvous stream I was caught by the hype and I ddint have time to actually think about the problems
How can Sonic Superstars be canon, when Fang is in it? He was only given major appearances in Triple Trouble, Drift 2 and Sonic the Fighters, NONE of which are considered "mainline" games.
ROUGH AND TUMBLE ARE THE BEST VILLAIN AND EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR THE ONLY VILLAIN WHO IS SUPERIOR IS IMPERATOR IX FROM SONIC CHRONICLES AND IMPERATOR IX CREATED THE PHANTOM RUBY AND MADE THE WAR HAPPEN IN SINIC FIRCES SO YEAH IMPERATOR IX IS SUMPERIOR TO ANYONE AND IMPERATOR IS A THREAT TO EVERYONE AND SONIC THE HEDGEHOG AND SCOORGE THE HEDGEHOG IS A TRUE VILLAIN OF SONIC PRIME LIKE EGGMAN AND EGGMAN IS NOT THE TRUE VILLAIN OF SONIC PRIME AND LIKE I SAID EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR SO BELIEVE I KNOW EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR AFTER FAILING TO DESTROY SONIC AND I KNOW IMPERATOR IC IS SUPERIOR AND WILL RETURN TO ERAISE AND SONIC AND HIS FRIENDS IN THE NEW SONIC GAME SO YEAH BELIEVE ME IMPERATOR IX IS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE AND DR EGGMAN AM I RIGHT
As much as I love Sonic Mania, it was never something that screamed "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" to me. Just a really fun celebration of the Classic Sonic games. Also, I've lost count about how many times I've seen a new 2D Sonic fangame and saw at least one "This the REAL Sonic 4!" comment.
It's arguably the closest thing to a real Sonic 4 but it's not actually called Sonic 4. Sonic Heroes isn't Adventure 3 despite releasing after SA2 and continuing the story.
6:34 I always interpreted it (before Sonic Generations anyway) that the flashbacks were the events of the classic games just in a different artstyle/different designs
I think the sonic advanced series actually evolved the classic gameplay more than the other 2D sonic sequels. It added new playable characters, and new abilities like tricks and team moves. Also the boost mode is very cool and builds on the idea of having speed being a reward for skilled players.
2:41 I'm not sure if this is a translation thing, but I believe the intended story was that the three are working independently, Fang for profit, Eggman to power the final weapon, Knuckles because he believes Sonic is bad at protecting the emeralds (which makes sense considering the plot starts with Eggman collecting them in secret and losing them in an experiment). That also explains why the three don't work as a team, Knuckles being captured by Eggman and so on
The superstars comic with fang implies that eggman and fang worked together multiple times in the past, which would be sonic the fighters and triple trouble, eggman clearly knows fang well enough to recall all of his past aliases
10:21 Tbf, I believe this game came out at a time when Modern & Classic Sonic were still treated the same. Like you get a Classic Sonic collection, but it has the modern characters on the box art same.
Technically Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 since Sonic CD released after Sonic 2 making it Sonic 3. If you count Sonic & Knuckles as a stand alone game then Sonic Mania would technically be Sonic 6 but if you count Sonic 4 then Sonic Superstars would be Sonic 9 but that’s only if you count Sonic 4 episode 2 as Sonic 7.
It's like calling Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode II the real Sonic the Hedgehog 5 Sonic & Knuckles is for all intents and purposes Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Episode II
In my opinion, Sonic Mania is the Sonic 4 that was officially published, and Triple Trouble 16 bit is the the unofficial Sonic 4. And Superstars is Sonic 5.
for sonic mania you can technically count the reused zones as originals, specifically the act 2s on every zone they changed them and added new mechanics so it technically feels like a brand new zone
1- Sonic and Knuckles really is just Sonic 3 Part 2. Might as well combine them both, as originally intended, and call it all Sonic 3 2- Sonic Mania is a celebration of the Genesis Sonic Games. There are some new zones yes, but also a bunch of old zones, so... maybe call it Sonic 3.5? 3- Sonic Origins is.... just a rerelease of the original games. It's more of a Definitive Edition. It's Sonic Mega Collection v.2
In the most serious sense I genuinely give it to the “Episode” games for their boldness to put “Sonic 4” in the title. In a personal sense I give it to Sonic & Knuckles. S3K was available as a lock-in addition, so despite intent it’s 2 entries in the series.
SK being Sonic 4 makes sense on paper, but it just ain't... Sonic 3K is the result of fucking McDonalds Sonic toys, being a guinee pig for the lock-on tech
They should remake the game that's titled "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" with the Sonic Superstars engine, all of its episodes combined into one game, remixed music, and 4 additional zones afterwards.
I would prefer if they used the Retro Engine (the one that Sonic CD PC Port and Sonic Mania run on), or do a better job with the engine they *did* use (the Sonic Rush engine).
13:32 I just want to let you know that I got the reference. “Wow. If I had a nickel for every time I got doomed by a puppet, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.”
SA1 is the best Sonic 4 in my opinion as it’s a proper evolution to the Sonic series, it continues to focus on the gameplay and characters but harder, and it doesn’t reuse too many elements from previous Sonic games. Advance & Superstars barely has a story. Mania is more of a celebration of those games than a true sequel. And Sonic 4. The best kind of Sonic 4 needs to build upon what the previous three games did. 3&K had a bit more focus on story and characters, so I think the true Sonic 4 should try harder on the story. While also keeping the spirit of the trilogy’s gameplay.
Also, you forgot the actual Sonic 4: SONIC CD!!! It has Metal Sonic, unique mechanics, unique backgrounds (due to the Future and Past signs), and banger music!!!
That seemed like a technical win for Sonic and Knuckles, felt like we were playing with semantics here. Sonic and Knuckles was clearly intended to be part of the base game of Sonic 3 and came out as an extension doubled down as a stand alone game. The stand alone aspect of the game was a bonus, but lets not forget that it was first and foremost an extension. Its existence as a separate entity repose entirely on technicalities, either be like a lack of development time to release everything at once, or a lack of capacity to hold everything under the same cartridge, or both. To give a weird analogy of what an extension is, for what its worth. It would be like calling Diablo 2 : Lord of Destruction, Diablo 3, which don't really makes sense to me. I didn't dislike the video, but I disagree strongly with the conclusion made. The analyses in the video were good, and by that card I will play with my own semantics to argue Sonic Mania back as the real Sonic 4, lol. Just my opinion, though..
Sonic superstars is probably sonic 4. Sonic mania is basically just sonic levels with a few new ones. Sonic superstars is basically reusing the levels from before but that’s kinda what they did. Angel island, emerald hill, green hill and palm tree panic are all very similarly styled with a few new ideas. Casino night, carnival night and one of the bonuses stages are also quite similar. But technically, sonic 3 & knuckles is sonic 4. Sonic 1 (1991, canonically 1st) Sonic 2 (1992, canonically 3rd) Sonic CD (1993, canonically 2nd)
@@gangstasonic97573Heroes, Shadow, and Unleashed have very different gameplay styles to the Adventure games. Whereas, Sonic 06 is literally just another Adventure game in everything except name. 06 even has hubworlds and the interconnected character plots where levels feature crossover points between the seperate character stories. I know Heroes has multiple character stories too, but they didn't crossover like what happens in all the Adventure games and 06.
The real Sonic 4, in my opinion, is Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit. It takes place right after the events of Sonic 3 and everything from the gameplay, spritework, and music is a true successor to everything in Sonic 3. I love everything about it, and it deserves to be more popular!
come on guys, get real for a second the real Sonic 4 is SONIC OMENS of course! surely i won't get bombarded by hate comments by saying this silly thing
Its been confirmed that after sonic & knuckles it goes to sonic mania then goes to sonic super stars then to sonic adventure (Yes sonic mania and sonic superstars is canon also sonic cd)
I always considered sonic advance to be the real sonic 4. However it truly doesn’t matter. I also believe sonic 06 is SA3 but it doesn’t make that game any better. The title of a videogame has nothing to do with quality.
@ I can see that logic if you consider each sonic game to just be a sequel rather than separate entities. I personally classify 2D Sonic and 3D Sonic differently.
@@TimDespairBear11 Yeah I can see that and i’d be inclined to agree since SA2 and 06 don’t connect as much to the classics, however I would like to point out that SA1 particularly meshes well with the classics and feels like a true sequel to the classic games, if you read the stories written for Sonic 1-3 you can see that it pretty much builds up to what happens in Adventure 1.
No it doesn't. There's no evidence of SA1 coming after Advance, especially given that Amy got her desire to be a hero from SA1. And then fumbled the bag in SA2, implying that was her first time since she was playable in Advance 1. So it's SA1 & 2 (Amy development, Shadow debut), then Advance 1 & 2 (Cream debut), then Heroes (Cream returns, Shadow returns), then Shadow (concludes Shadow's arc), then Battle (Shadow appears with amnesia gone), Emerl debut and death), then Advance 3 (Gemerl, a clone of Emerl, debut).
@@espurrseyes42 Well, there is one evindence, In Sonic Adventure 1, the original Tornado was damaged in Sky Chase Act 1, after that, Tails builds the Tornado 2, which is present for the rest of the game, in Sonic Advance 1, the good ending cutscene shows Tails on the original Tornado searching for Sonic, in SA2, the first cutscene with Tails shows him with a new variation of the Tornado, the Tornado 3, then he transforms the Tornado 3 into the Cyclone, the Tornado 2 then reappers in the first cutscene of Team Sonic in Sonic Heroes and the special stages of Sonic Advance 3, and the Tornado 3 reappears on the Circus Park cutscene in Shadow the Hedgehog
@@gustavoalvesbraga2612 There are different Tornados. There's the original red one, owned by Sonic. There's an unpainted prototype for the 2 that Tails had earlier in the game. There's the actual 2, otherwise known as the X Tornado because of its alt form. There's the 3, otherwise known as the Cyclone, that can morph into a walker mech and a car. And there's one in Unleashed that is red, but can also morph into an X form. He clearly just rebuilt the original Tornado and decided to use that one in Advance. There's no 1 singular Tornado that just gets modded every few games. Which would be dumb since that means he would have downgraded the Tornado by Lost World, where it's back to being propeller based and having none of the advancement from SA1 or 2.
Actually, the tornado is a really good argument that I never thought about. It’s possible it could be the tornado 3 and could be after SA2, but that’s up to interpretation for now.
Great video and some great viewpoints. Personally, though, I always saw Sonic Pocket Adventure as Sonic 4 (in my opinion). The game does borrow a ton from the Genesis trilogy and feels like more like a remixed version of the three games, but beyond that and the fact it wasn't developed by Sonic Team directly, but what always made it stand out to me as Sonic 4 was it felt like an end of an era title at the time. Was the first 2d Sonic game predating Sonic Advance where Sonic had his green eyes in a 2d Sonic game, and you also saw the transition of Robotnik where at the start of the game he had his classic attire and look of the Genesis games but by the end you did see him with his attire that he would wear in Sonic Adventure and onward. Just my thoughts, though.
Hot take but I'm not a fan when new media makes itself a retroactive sequel to something from years ago, even when other entries have come out since. I do think that Knuckles Chaotix (JP version anyway) could be the true Sonic 4 even though Sonic is barely in it. Out of all the games that came out between S3&K and SA1 (including 3D Blast, Triple Trouble, R) Knuckles Chaotix was the only one that felt like it built on the story of 3&K with the Japanese manual mentioning how a new island has risen from the ocean, either from the Master Emerald or Death Egg crashing into Angel Island, I can't remember which
im gonna go with Mania as my personal pick. its a damn shame that SEGA had to pull a SEGA and never work with those talented artists again after they made Mania the best sonic game in years...
@@malcolmali915 Listen, I once believe it as well, but times will change. And it makes sense because in my eyes, the Mecha Sonic Robots (the ones from 8-Bit Sonic 2, 16-Bit Sonic 2, & Sonic 3&K) came first before Metal Sonic.
1:00 that sound scared the shit out of me, I was wearing headphones while listening to this and when the knoking sound started I thought Someone was knoking out my window xdxdxdxdxd, it was so fucking scaring
I got Sonic Mania completely by accident, thinking it was every game combined, but I still love it! It speaks Sonic 4 to me, whereas Sonic & Knuckles feels like, well... the second half of Sonic 3.
Special Stage 5 is super easy because the emerald has a fixed path. Start by grabbing all the ring hoops at the top of the stage, then start arcing yourself far and to the left of the emerald. Once you get the hang of it, you can easily make sure sonic lands in the emerald’s path as it reaches him every time you fall. Almost easier than the first one when you intuit this.
Hey, commenter! This video was scripted and recorded before Takashi Iizuka confirmed that Sonic Superstars takes place after Sonic Mania. At 15:55, I said that I believed it fit between Sonic 3 and Sonic Mania. I now know this isn't the case, so you don't have to make the comment. The ranking would have likely still been a 4/5 if this was known information. I'll try to ask Iizuka to warn me ahead of time before he makes a statement like that.
Lmao I think that was bad timing
Also sorry bc of my bad behaviour when you first arrived in shalvous stream I was caught by the hype and I ddint have time to actually think about the problems
Now can you make a video called what is the real Ghostbusters 3?
How can Sonic Superstars be canon, when Fang is in it? He was only given major appearances in Triple Trouble, Drift 2 and Sonic the Fighters, NONE of which are considered "mainline" games.
@@gregzotter6189just because they’re not mainline doesnt mean that they’re not canon
The real Sonic 4 is the friends we made along the way
“Let’s show that Creek the real super power of teamwork”
@@Ok_productions2.0*Creep
"Oh, please, no tedious speech about "super power of teamwork" 🙄"
But they all die so i could get to end. Was all of this for nothing?
ROUGH AND TUMBLE ARE THE BEST VILLAIN AND
EGGMAN IS NOT SUPERIOR
THE ONLY VILLAIN WHO
IS SUPERIOR IS IMPERATOR
IX FROM SONIC CHRONICLES
AND IMPERATOR IX CREATED
THE PHANTOM RUBY AND
MADE THE WAR HAPPEN IN
SINIC FIRCES SO YEAH
IMPERATOR IX IS SUMPERIOR
TO ANYONE AND IMPERATOR IS A THREAT TO EVERYONE AND SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
AND SCOORGE THE HEDGEHOG IS A TRUE VILLAIN OF SONIC PRIME
LIKE EGGMAN AND EGGMAN
IS NOT THE TRUE VILLAIN
OF SONIC PRIME AND LIKE I SAID EGGMAN IS NOT
SUPERIOR SO BELIEVE I
KNOW EGGMAN IS NOT
SUPERIOR AFTER FAILING
TO DESTROY SONIC AND
I KNOW IMPERATOR IC IS
SUPERIOR AND WILL RETURN
TO ERAISE AND SONIC AND
HIS FRIENDS IN THE NEW
SONIC GAME SO YEAH BELIEVE ME IMPERATOR IX
IS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE
AND DR EGGMAN AM I RIGHT
Why did he say.... "Hydrocity"... like that....
Why
To get people to comment
Hedrokiydee
What do you mean? He said it correctly.
he did it to make a joke about the argument how you pronounce Hydrocity.
As much as I love Sonic Mania, it was never something that screamed "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" to me. Just a really fun celebration of the Classic Sonic games. Also, I've lost count about how many times I've seen a new 2D Sonic fangame and saw at least one "This the REAL Sonic 4!" comment.
Just like how a lot of games sincr Heroes have at least someone say "This is Sonic Adventure 3"
@@Amsel_616 P06 is basically sa3, once they add the story bits and bosses
@@wdg2384 There is no second timeline.
@@ChiefMedicPururuexactly.
@@ChiefMedicPururu The Classic Sonic from Generations and Forces is Sonic from a different universe, meaning there is another timeline
Well a lot of Crash Bandicoot fans argue over the REAL Crash 4 lol.
I won't necessarily call Sonic & Knuckles alone the "REAL" Sonic 4. It was more of an expansion pack to Sonic 3 alone.
It's arguably the closest thing to a real Sonic 4 but it's not actually called Sonic 4. Sonic Heroes isn't Adventure 3 despite releasing after SA2 and continuing the story.
= exactly what the definition of a sequel is according to this video
Its really just the second half of the game though.
@@1234_Flux or is it?
Sonic 3 and Knuckles was all Sonic the Hedgehog 3 just split into two games.
Launch Base Zone was pretty much just the end of Disk 1.
6:34 I always interpreted it (before Sonic Generations anyway) that the flashbacks were the events of the classic games just in a different artstyle/different designs
Isn't that still the case? What happens in Generations that would contradict that?
@@HOTD108_ In generations, we get to know that the old design was actually an younger Sonic
The real sonic 4 was the friends we made along the way
Stolen lol
@@not_kjb i made this comment when I first clicked this video.🤓
@@Frogowning no 🤓
@@not_kjb how are you gonna tell me what I did, imbred 🤓
@@not_kjb maybe
17:48 Everyone is overlooking the pronunciation of Hydro-City Zone. 💀
the third secret bonus pronunciation of hydrocity
Deadass. I was like, "STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES." 😂😂
Hidro Kyti 💀
Honestly that's the only correct pronounciation
nahh that was the WORST pronunciation of hyrdocity that I have EVER heard in my entire life.
I think the sonic advanced series actually evolved the classic gameplay more than the other 2D sonic sequels. It added new playable characters, and new abilities like tricks and team moves. Also the boost mode is very cool and builds on the idea of having speed being a reward for skilled players.
XPool, you score a 5/5 in Uniqueness in my book.
You may be the real Sonic 4.
Final Score: 20/20
@@SonicTheBlueFastBoi lol
Can’t wait for sonic 4 & knuckles plus dlc.
When is XPool & Knuckles plus (DLC)
Awwwww
2:41 I'm not sure if this is a translation thing, but I believe the intended story was that the three are working independently, Fang for profit, Eggman to power the final weapon, Knuckles because he believes Sonic is bad at protecting the emeralds (which makes sense considering the plot starts with Eggman collecting them in secret and losing them in an experiment). That also explains why the three don't work as a team, Knuckles being captured by Eggman and so on
The superstars comic with fang implies that eggman and fang worked together multiple times in the past, which would be sonic the fighters and triple trouble, eggman clearly knows fang well enough to recall all of his past aliases
10:21
Tbf, I believe this game came out at a time when Modern & Classic Sonic were still treated the same. Like you get a Classic Sonic collection, but it has the modern characters on the box art same.
17:50 you're pronouncing hydrocity like hidrokyti
Yes it was on purpose bc theres so many arguments
1:02 That sound is way too realistic, I really thought someone was knocking hard at my door 😖
SAME
Technically Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 since Sonic CD released after Sonic 2 making it Sonic 3. If you count Sonic & Knuckles as a stand alone game then Sonic Mania would technically be Sonic 6 but if you count Sonic 4 then Sonic Superstars would be Sonic 9 but that’s only if you count Sonic 4 episode 2 as Sonic 7.
Cd happens before 2 chronologically so sonic 2 is sonic 3
Big brain moment.
And counting sonic advance and rush would boost you to 14 but then again there handheld games.
Canontheory I agree with you
What if I count Sonic Mania Plus as a stand alone game?
Imagine getting a Sonic Superstars ad during the Sonic Superstars segment.... couldn't be me 😊
Sonic 3 is Sonic 4 because of CD but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation
"And now for my hot take on Resident Evil 4 and Street Fighter III.
Sonic CD is sonic 1.5
@@Mario14-k I would say 2.5 because Sonic CD was released after Sonic 2. Although I prefer for Sonic CD to be a standalone.
@@G_MAN_325but cd chronologically takes place before sonic 2
It depends on how they named it much like how Battlefield has been doing
13:29 “Double Doofenshmirtz! Coming at you Fridays!”
YESSSS!!!!!!
17:50 Heedrookity💀
Why did my guy pronounce it that way? 💀
Calling sonic and knuckles the ‘real’ sonic 4 feels wrong to me. It’s like calling persona 2 eternal punishment the ‘real’ persona 3.
It’s like calling MGSV The Phantom Pain the REAL Solid 6
It's like calling Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode II the real Sonic the Hedgehog 5
Sonic & Knuckles is for all intents and purposes Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Episode II
In my opinion, Sonic Mania is the Sonic 4 that was officially published, and Triple Trouble 16 bit is the the unofficial Sonic 4. And Superstars is Sonic 5.
Came here to comment this. Sonic 1 - 3&K, Triple Trouble 16-Bit, followed by Mania is how I'll play through the series from now on.
@@putridscene we basically have 2 real Sonic 4s that aren’t Episodes 1 and 2. We even have Sonic 5.
This! 💙💛❤💖
Oh, so sonic mania is a sequel to sonic 3 when most of the levels aren’t even new just a birthday game including modern sonic with forces….right.
Nah, Mania is more of an anniversary title, celebrating what made the past cool, hence the rehashes.
Superstars is THE Sonic 4🤑
17:49 "hydrokidy"💀
Fang's theme actually uses a melody from his original theme
Heavily given Scott the Woz vibes with your jokes 🤣
The real one is Sonic Mania and Sonic 5 is Sonic Superstars now quiet
for sonic mania you can technically count the reused zones as originals, specifically the act 2s on every zone
they changed them and added new mechanics so it technically feels like a brand new zone
How could you spoil superstars for me by showing the hud
I think superstars is the closest we’re getting to sonic 4
I consider it sonic 5
Sonic & Knuckles shouldn't have even been scored because it's literally part of Sonic 3 and has always been marketed as such.
Skip to 22:50 for your answer of the video.
"Sonic 4 killed my grandma"
Bro pulled a trolls character
2:00 isnt sonic rush a sonic advance sub series? there were literally advance sonic sprites in early versions of the game
The real sonic 4 is the superstars we made along the way.
Also hey I’m canon.
5:13 5 words: SEDOND HALF OF SONIC 3
This video got me to ask myself... why was there Sonic Utopia footage on screen?
17:50 “HYDRO- *KITEY* “ is DEF a new one in my book holy HELL🪁🪁🪁 😂😂😂
17:50 No way bro said Hidro Kity
1- Sonic and Knuckles really is just Sonic 3 Part 2. Might as well combine them both, as originally intended, and call it all Sonic 3
2- Sonic Mania is a celebration of the Genesis Sonic Games. There are some new zones yes, but also a bunch of old zones, so... maybe call it Sonic 3.5?
3- Sonic Origins is.... just a rerelease of the original games. It's more of a Definitive Edition. It's Sonic Mega Collection v.2
so Sonic Triple Trouble is 4?
Sonic 4 came out July 21st this year except instead of Sonic it was Captain Olimar and the Picklemen
10:15 What balcony in January? I don't understand this reference.
In the most serious sense I genuinely give it to the “Episode” games for their boldness to put “Sonic 4” in the title.
In a personal sense I give it to Sonic & Knuckles. S3K was available as a lock-in addition, so despite intent it’s 2 entries in the series.
SK being Sonic 4 makes sense on paper, but it just ain't...
Sonic 3K is the result of fucking McDonalds Sonic toys, being a guinee pig for the lock-on tech
There was even a plan for 3K in a single cart, but dropped bc, well, they sold ONE game for the price of TWO😂😂😂
Sonic & Knuckles is Sonic 3 episode 2
I love this vid the humour gives off lots of chaotic Scott the Woz energy.
They should remake the game that's titled "Sonic the Hedgehog 4" with the Sonic Superstars engine, all of its episodes combined into one game, remixed music, and 4 additional zones afterwards.
that's called a Redux, friend.
Superstars' engine is Unity, and I think you might know where I'm going...
I would prefer if they used the Retro Engine (the one that Sonic CD PC Port and Sonic Mania run on), or do a better job with the engine they *did* use (the Sonic Rush engine).
1:01 that knock was so realistic, it scared the crap out of me
17:50 screw it. this is now the official pronounciation.
13:32 I just want to let you know that I got the reference.
“Wow. If I had a nickel for every time I got doomed by a puppet, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.”
JustMaxT is now canon
Eh I’m more canon
Triple trouble 16 bit. No questions asked. End of discussion.
SA1 is the best Sonic 4 in my opinion as it’s a proper evolution to the Sonic series, it continues to focus on the gameplay and characters but harder, and it doesn’t reuse too many elements from previous Sonic games.
Advance & Superstars barely has a story.
Mania is more of a celebration of those games than a true sequel.
And Sonic 4.
The best kind of Sonic 4 needs to build upon what the previous three games did.
3&K had a bit more focus on story and characters, so I think the true Sonic 4 should try harder on the story. While also keeping the spirit of the trilogy’s gameplay.
This video is so good it reminds me of Scott the woz keep up the good work
Bro just casually forgot about Sonic Pocket Adventure smh
Well pocket Adventure is just a worst sonic 2
Oh, come on it isn’t that bad
@@The20thLetter-s4vit’s alright in my opinion but I don’t think it would fit to be “Sonic 4”
11:41 Oh I get it! Sonic covered himself in oil, because oil floats in water, but he then realizes he can’t survive water!!! XD
Also, you forgot the actual Sonic 4: SONIC CD!!!
It has Metal Sonic, unique mechanics, unique backgrounds (due to the Future and Past signs), and banger music!!!
That seemed like a technical win for Sonic and Knuckles, felt like we were playing with semantics here. Sonic and Knuckles was clearly intended to be part of the base game of Sonic 3 and came out as an extension doubled down as a stand alone game. The stand alone aspect of the game was a bonus, but lets not forget that it was first and foremost an extension. Its existence as a separate entity repose entirely on technicalities, either be like a lack of development time to release everything at once, or a lack of capacity to hold everything under the same cartridge, or both.
To give a weird analogy of what an extension is, for what its worth. It would be like calling Diablo 2 : Lord of Destruction, Diablo 3, which don't really makes sense to me.
I didn't dislike the video, but I disagree strongly with the conclusion made. The analyses in the video were good, and by that card I will play with my own semantics to argue Sonic Mania back as the real Sonic 4, lol. Just my opinion, though..
Great video, this channel is amazing
Also, are you going to do a video on the games from sonic hacking contest 2023?
Sonic 4 is the real Sonic 4! If Sonic 4 ain’t the real Sonic 4, then Sonic Adventure 2 ain’t the real Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic 4 is the only Sonic 4 we have, the other ones are either too wacky or too modern
"Sonic 4 killed my grandma"💀
Sonic superstars is probably sonic 4. Sonic mania is basically just sonic levels with a few new ones. Sonic superstars is basically reusing the levels from before but that’s kinda what they did. Angel island, emerald hill, green hill and palm tree panic are all very similarly styled with a few new ideas. Casino night, carnival night and one of the bonuses stages are also quite similar.
But technically, sonic 3 & knuckles is sonic 4.
Sonic 1 (1991, canonically 1st)
Sonic 2 (1992, canonically 3rd)
Sonic CD (1993, canonically 2nd)
we need this for Sonic Adventure 3
If you think finding a Sonic 4 is hard, how about finding a Sonic Adventure 3?
Sonic 06 is Adventure 3
@@coooooooooooooooornJust like Heroes, Shadow, and Unleashed!
@@gangstasonic97573Heroes, Shadow, and Unleashed have very different gameplay styles to the Adventure games. Whereas, Sonic 06 is literally just another Adventure game in everything except name. 06 even has hubworlds and the interconnected character plots where levels feature crossover points between the seperate character stories. I know Heroes has multiple character stories too, but they didn't crossover like what happens in all the Adventure games and 06.
That's because there isn't any
Triple Trouble is basically Sonic 3.25 and Sonic and Knuckles is Sonic 3.5
Always asking what the real sonic 4 is but never asking how the real sonic 4 is?
Deep😔
Im going to call Hydro City hidrokity from now on
The real Sonic 4, in my opinion, is Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit. It takes place right after the events of Sonic 3 and everything from the gameplay, spritework, and music is a true successor to everything in Sonic 3. I love everything about it, and it deserves to be more popular!
Nah it is the one on the snes where you save marios and the game crashes when you grab a item.
come on guys, get real for a second
the real Sonic 4 is SONIC OMENS of course! surely i won't get bombarded by hate comments by saying this silly thing
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Sonic Omens is definitely a game that exists.
@@legoboy7107 the gamest Sonicest game of all timest
@@kaxcommentssomethingREALomens sure is the game of all time
Its been confirmed that after sonic & knuckles it goes to sonic mania then goes to sonic super stars then to sonic adventure
(Yes sonic mania and sonic superstars is canon also sonic cd)
I always considered sonic advance to be the real sonic 4. However it truly doesn’t matter. I also believe sonic 06 is SA3 but it doesn’t make that game any better. The title of a videogame has nothing to do with quality.
I consider SA1 to be Sonic 4, SA2 to be Sonic 5 and Sonic 06 to be… well… Sonic 6
@ I can see that logic if you consider each sonic game to just be a sequel rather than separate entities. I personally classify 2D Sonic and 3D Sonic differently.
@@TimDespairBear11 Yeah I can see that and i’d be inclined to agree since SA2 and 06 don’t connect as much to the classics, however I would like to point out that SA1 particularly meshes well with the classics and feels like a true sequel to the classic games, if you read the stories written for Sonic 1-3 you can see that it pretty much builds up to what happens in Adventure 1.
@ I agree there was even a cutscene in sa1 that referenced Sonic cd with Amy and Metal Sonic. And you can see mecha Sonic from Sonic 2 in a test tube.
Jason’s Sonic: “Nothing worse than a long-awaited sequel that doesn’t live up to expectations.” 9:50
Sonic 3 is sonic 4, sonic 2 is sonic 3 and sonic CD is sonic 2
yes
“SONIC 4 KILLED MY GRANDMA!!” 💀
8:11 I dont wanna be the "umm actually☝️🤓" guy, but technically Sonic Advance takes place before Sonic Adventure
No it doesn't. There's no evidence of SA1 coming after Advance, especially given that Amy got her desire to be a hero from SA1. And then fumbled the bag in SA2, implying that was her first time since she was playable in Advance 1.
So it's SA1 & 2 (Amy development, Shadow debut), then Advance 1 & 2 (Cream debut), then Heroes (Cream returns, Shadow returns), then Shadow (concludes Shadow's arc), then Battle (Shadow appears with amnesia gone), Emerl debut and death), then Advance 3 (Gemerl, a clone of Emerl, debut).
@@espurrseyes42 Well, there is one evindence, In Sonic Adventure 1, the original Tornado was damaged in Sky Chase Act 1, after that, Tails builds the Tornado 2, which is present for the rest of the game, in Sonic Advance 1, the good ending cutscene shows Tails on the original Tornado searching for Sonic, in SA2, the first cutscene with Tails shows him with a new variation of the Tornado, the Tornado 3, then he transforms the Tornado 3 into the Cyclone, the Tornado 2 then reappers in the first cutscene of Team Sonic in Sonic Heroes and the special stages of Sonic Advance 3, and the Tornado 3 reappears on the Circus Park cutscene in Shadow the Hedgehog
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There are different Tornados. There's the original red one, owned by Sonic. There's an unpainted prototype for the 2 that Tails had earlier in the game. There's the actual 2, otherwise known as the X Tornado because of its alt form. There's the 3, otherwise known as the Cyclone, that can morph into a walker mech and a car. And there's one in Unleashed that is red, but can also morph into an X form. He clearly just rebuilt the original Tornado and decided to use that one in Advance. There's no 1 singular Tornado that just gets modded every few games. Which would be dumb since that means he would have downgraded the Tornado by Lost World, where it's back to being propeller based and having none of the advancement from SA1 or 2.
Actually, the tornado is a really good argument that I never thought about. It’s possible it could be the tornado 3 and could be after SA2, but that’s up to interpretation for now.
Saying Lava Reef doesnt fit in a sonic game is actually psychotic
Great video and some great viewpoints. Personally, though, I always saw Sonic Pocket Adventure as Sonic 4 (in my opinion). The game does borrow a ton from the Genesis trilogy and feels like more like a remixed version of the three games, but beyond that and the fact it wasn't developed by Sonic Team directly, but what always made it stand out to me as Sonic 4 was it felt like an end of an era title at the time. Was the first 2d Sonic game predating Sonic Advance where Sonic had his green eyes in a 2d Sonic game, and you also saw the transition of Robotnik where at the start of the game he had his classic attire and look of the Genesis games but by the end you did see him with his attire that he would wear in Sonic Adventure and onward. Just my thoughts, though.
solid opinion
I think golden capital was the original design for green hill zone
Sonic 4 is Sonic 4 just accept it even if it’s bad
No
@@coooooooooooooooornWdym "No"?!?! The other ones are either too wacky and all over the place or too modern
@@Raymi20- :)))
No it is mania
17:48 i have never heard someone say hydrocity like this until now
Hot take but I'm not a fan when new media makes itself a retroactive sequel to something from years ago, even when other entries have come out since. I do think that Knuckles Chaotix (JP version anyway) could be the true Sonic 4 even though Sonic is barely in it. Out of all the games that came out between S3&K and SA1 (including 3D Blast, Triple Trouble, R) Knuckles Chaotix was the only one that felt like it built on the story of 3&K with the Japanese manual mentioning how a new island has risen from the ocean, either from the Master Emerald or Death Egg crashing into Angel Island, I can't remember which
Now the question is what is the real sonic 5
im gonna go with Mania as my personal pick. its a damn shame that SEGA had to pull a SEGA and never work with those talented artists again after they made Mania the best sonic game in years...
In my eyes, Sonic CD is the TRUE Sonic 4.
Same
Wh- what? Are you insane? Sonic CD has possibility of being before or after sonic 2 but after sonic 3? Yeah no I dont think so
@@malcolmali915 Listen, I once believe it as well, but times will change. And it makes sense because in my eyes, the Mecha Sonic Robots (the ones from 8-Bit Sonic 2, 16-Bit Sonic 2, & Sonic 3&K) came first before Metal Sonic.
@@Jadinite-2006 yeah but they seem a lot more advanced
I would honestly give sonic 4 a 0 for uniqueness, considering many of the zones take too much liberties from Sonic 1.
Sonic 3 is the real Sonic 4
Someone should do a real, descent, and good Sonic 4
So grateful that I can still play both Sonic Adventure games on Steamdeck.
As a sonic rush fan, that game is NOT Sonic 4
So, am I the only one who got the ETS:NL reference?
17:50 “Hidro-Kitey”💀
1:00 that sound scared the shit out of me, I was wearing headphones while listening to this and when the knoking sound started I thought Someone was knoking out my window xdxdxdxdxd, it was so fucking scaring
Why was Tgamm shown for a sec in the beginning? Idk if that was just a error or what
Sonic mania takes place after generations
We interrupt Sonic Superstars to bring you New Super Mario Bros. Wii.
my stomach churned at the way you pronounced "hydrocity", fucking excellent
*People fighting over it's Hydrocity or Hydro City*
XPool : *Hedro Kayty*
The true Sonic 4 would be Sonic Superstars, as it takes place right after Sonic 3&K
Sonic Mania takes place right after Sonic 3&K
Sega Sonic The Hedgehog is the real Sonic 4 in my heart, I asked a doctor and they said it was a tumor but my point stands
um i think thats sonic 4 is the 4th game because sega titled it sonic 4
17:49
Glad someone finally pronounced it right
I got Sonic Mania completely by accident, thinking it was every game combined, but I still love it! It speaks Sonic 4 to me, whereas Sonic & Knuckles feels like, well... the second half of Sonic 3.
Teamwork is the real sonic 4
Nobody is talking about how he pronounced Hudrocity
Special Stage 5 is super easy because the emerald has a fixed path. Start by grabbing all the ring hoops at the top of the stage, then start arcing yourself far and to the left of the emerald. Once you get the hang of it, you can easily make sure sonic lands in the emerald’s path as it reaches him every time you fall. Almost easier than the first one when you intuit this.