Super Pershing vs King Tiger Duel 1945
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2024
- It's one of the great tank duels of World War II, when an American Super Pershing went head-to-head with the dreaded German King Tiger in Dessau in April 1945. But did they? The truth is surprisingly different.
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Super Pershings barrel is so long it was in Germany 2 weeks before the rest of the tank
lmao
If it went into Luxembourg the barrel would be in Germany while the rear of the tank was still in Belgium.
You wouldn't want to hit the brakes to hard as there is nothing to stop it tipping forward.
The last time I was this early, I was the tip of a Super Pershing's gun barrel.
Lol how did they even balance that thing?
That's what I feel like when I see notification of a new Felton video.
I love how you do these kinds of lesser known events, instead of the boring old "top 5 German tanks". Great work
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Agreed, although we already know the top five German tanks.
1. Tiger
2. Tiger
3. Tiger
4. Tiger
5. Tiger
Kenmeri I agree the guy is a Legend awesome fresh vids and great stories you learn a lot from Mark...!
Soo sad that the only tank of its kind were scrap, would have been epic to see it in bovington tank museum!
Almost all weapons of war wind up in the trash eventually.
You have to place yourself in that era. Every country was tired of the war and an immediate need for (metal) consumer goods came up. Nobody cared about the tanks,battleships,guns and whatnot which were at the time new gear but useless in peacetime. The thought of placing some examples in a museum obviously came to no one's mind and would probably have been regarded as proposterous, inappropriate even. The war was over and war production came to an immediate and screeching halt. A whole lot of cars,razorblades,refrigerators and tin cans etc. etc. could be made out of a few tanks....
@@thetankcommander3838 wait there is still one left?!?!?!
Panzer IV:Exists
American tank crew:
A Tiger!
Army Air Corps- 'target practice!'
Chalmers: You call Panzer IVs "Tigers"?
Skinner: Yes, it's a regional dialect.
Chalmers: Uh-huh. What region?
Skinner: Uh, upstate New York.
Chalmers: Really? Well, I'm from Utica and I've never heard anyone call Panzer IVs "Tigers."
Skinner: Oh, not in Utica, no, it's an Albany expression.
I think the idea that Germany was made of Tiger 1s come from this. I mean, they have similar silhouettes from a distance.
@l b Indeed. And to add to that: You often just see a part of the tank. Panzer 4 was the most numerous tank of the Germans, and it does look similar to a Tiger I from certain angles. Especially, as mentioned before, if you cant see the whole thing.
Tigers in the trees man..tigers in the trees.
I want the Tiger!
Americans: we have a Tiger at home already.
Tiger at home: Pz 38 (t)
Super Pershing vs King Tiger duel most likely:
Both break down.
"It's not very SEXY" Best line I've ever heard a historian say, I love when you provide more commentary rather then just scripted dialogue. Anyways another great video Mark, thank you.
What I love about Mark's videos is that he uses the ACTUAL images and footage of the specific thing that relate to what he is talking about. Other history videos use pictures that don't even relate or are outright wrong.
Its heartbreaking how many of these videos end with the words "it was scrapped".
Allied engineer's yoinked plates off a panther for extra armor
Imagine to be a german soldier in 1945... „US Forces are here, we need armored support now!! Sorry mate, but our last Tiger fighting the reds 70 km in the east“.
*112km
“sorry bro, wrong front, but oh well, the other front is not that far you may as well have them drive over here”
Typical HE spamming Noobs in their Tier 8 premiums...
@@dfadgsadfga1816 lol not with high pen tanks
I rather choose AP than HE for sure kill
Hell at least they didn't have a "Festively Colored" Paint Round loaded... 😁
@@dfadgsadfga1816 Not anymore HE does fuck all now
Imagine your tanks having hitpoints.
Mark Felton makes the best history snippets going. Short, easy to understand, non partisan and always on a lesser detail. Excellent work
"which by any stretch of the imagination seems to be an incredibly stupid thing to have done"
"a superpershing taking out a PzIV is not very sexy"
Great quotes from this one Mark!
American Tanker ( sees Panzer II tank ) : IT'S A MINI-TIGER !!!
*Destroys panzer II*
American Tanker: ( "v") Yeah imma badass , count that one as another tiger bob ..
I thought I saw a king tiger in the streets of America once...upon closer inspection I realized it was rosie O’Donnell wearing a camo jacket...
This is an excellent presentation both detailed and concise. It's also a fun idiosyncratic topic and I could watch these sort of properly timed videos all day!
"Mismatch of German armor" nah man you just got an uptier to 6.7
These short but highly informative videos are definitely the best of what is being shown on YT regarding WWII !The great research and understanding of the subject and statement of the historical facts by Mark Felton is second to none. 😘
Mark, as others have said - excellent work, a brilliant format. Short and compelling events, low voiced factually unemotional delivery, hair-tingling intro theme music, standard crisp sign-off, and of course above-all apparently thoroughly researched subjects with relevant historical clips to endorse your commentaries. There's not a time when I watch your work that a cold sweat doesn't seep down the back of my neck. Truly putting us the viewer into the position of the characters, mostly unseen, that made these scenes happen. It's that which most stamps your work as both sober and outstanding. May we all learn from it. You have rightly made a recognised niche for yourself and the product. Indeed, keep up this fascinating work. Thanks, David Whyman.
The HE shot must have been the equivalent of the paintball in Kelly's Heroes.
Yu know from a distance, through the limited sights of a tank, I could kinda see how you could mistake a tiger for a panzer, assuming they didn't examen the wreck afterwards.
I always thought Tigers look like Fours. Both are boxy w the fronts and glaci l plates being straight on vertical. King Tigers and Panthers look like T-34s w their armour sloped.
Yup, have to agree. The boxy extra plate added to late panzer IVs gives them the same shape as the Tigers, and being only 2/3 the size is difficult to spot at a distance through a tanks limited sighting options.
Probably the WW2 equivalent of Steven Spielberg was writing those fairy tale combat reports.
Herb Wag hi Herb .... yes I agree well said 😁
I like the way you say 'scraped', with such disdain and disgust. Any tank that was involved in battles like this deserved to be kept in museums. Cheers and keep up the great work.
Kubelwagen: *passes by*
Americans: TIGER!!!!
Thanks Mark I truly admire the fact that your integrity in keeping as much as you could to what may or may not have taken place here, was not displaced by years of confusion and or propaganda.
Boy if there is an afterlife specifically for tanks that Pazer IV would get laughed at for how it died,
Fantastic video Mark and thanks for bringing your unbiased and factual information one again.
According to the book “Death Traps” the Super Pershing had problems with over heating due to the additional armour they had placed on it from the scavenged Panther tank and the boiler plates which then increased its weight. On rugged ground it was not as efficient and needed constant maintenance but on open country became more reliable.
Love your work.
Absolutely fasincating.
I was under the impression that the super pershing was made but wasn't deployed to the front in time. I'm exceptionally glad you made this video it has cleares a lot for me. Thank you
After watching hundreds of videos on this channel, I ordered a book by Mark, Guarding Hitler: The Secret World of the Führer.
These videos are like gold dust, keep up the good work. I have learnt so many interesting things from watching them.
We are getting less "thats a story for another time" and more "I made a film about this", I like this change keep up the good work
i cant believe they didnt ship that super pershing home! that would be a great piece of history to have today!
I'd like to say it's the fog of war, but telling your buddies you beat a lighter unit lacks the testosterone element of claiming a Tiger, or Panther.
Lots of chest beating during a battle, and some out and out bullshit as well.
The nature of soldiers, either side.
Soldiers and Fishermen..! 🙂
At the end of the war they scrapped the super Pershing and they use the Prinz Eugen and the Nagato as target for a A-bomb test. From a history standpoint it is such a waste. Thank you Mark for the wonderful video!
Outstanding video again - so good to hear such clarity about what is known and unknown. And superb footage.
Any Tank can Knock out another Tank in WWll waiting in Ambush, it doesn't tell much about either one , you need months of head to head Combat to find out !!!
I think we all very much appreciate the time, effort and research that goes into making your videos for us to enjoy and learn from.
Correction: The Super Pershings long 90mm gun didn't have similar armor defeating capabilitys with the Tiger 1's but with the Tiger 2's 88mm gun.
The penetration statistics are actualy almost identical.
Brilliant how you always find out those unknown facts. Thanks Dr. Felton. You almost make such a film each day. Brilliant.
Such good German pronunciation, don't know why other youtubers cant do it
Saddening how such a piece of history ended up being scrapped.
Thank you for all your videos. The information that you provide is an inspiration to anyone that is interested in real history and not just the watered down version thank you
i still don't know how i found your channel but it's bloody well the best thing that's happened to me in a while
Man! What a story, that Super Pershing came to town totin a gun! Kickin arse and taking names! Hit in the bottom, the armor just worked in reverse keeping the energy in! Must have just vaporized the German crew! Ugh! That’s war!Thanks Mark, over and over, great films! That one German soldier sure looked scared. Hope he made it! 🙀Lol!
Both the M26 pershing and the T26 Super pershing used a 90mm gun Yes..but!
The M26 used the M3 90mm gun
And the T26 Super pershing used the experimental T15E1 long 90mm gun
Not the M3 Cannon
From the look of the barrel length the gun's principal advantage was that the shell was already halfway to its target by the time it left the end of the barrel ...
Whats the difference between both guns?
@@juanzulu2755 I don't know specifics of the top of my head but normally it is a combination of the breech able to hold higher pressure, therefore a larger propellant charge in combination with a longer barrel allowing longer gas retention and a higher muzzle velocity. Its possible the T15E1 was just a longer barrel but in a case like this its unlikely as the high pressure breech provides valuable combat data for new ammo that will be put into general circulation in a couple years.
This is quite interesting, so thank you very much for posting it. I do have a quibble, though. You say around 2:20 that the Super Pershing's 90mm M3 gun was similar in hitting power to the 8.8cm KwK 36 on the Tiger I. That is true, with a big asterisk, of the guns on the regular Pershings, which were 53 calibers in length, as compared to the Tiger I guns, which were 88mm and 56 calibers in length. The asterisk there is that, firing HVAP rounds, the 90mm M3 actually had penetrating power more comparable to the 8.8 cm KwK 43, the gun on the King Tiger, which was 71 calibers in length. The Super Pershing, however, had a variant of the 90mm M3 that was 73 calibers in length, making it more comparable to the 8.8 KwK 43. With HVAP rounds, however, its penetrating power was actually significantly better than even the KwK 43.
I remember looking up, ages ago, the clip from "Greatest Tank Battles: Germany" (I think...) about this story and seeing in the comments about how it was a myth.
Thank you for going into such great detail about it and possible explanations.
Fantastic vids Mark, gutted to hear it was scrapped.
Thanks for the Upload just what I need.
Thank you for the depth and quality of your reviews on the T26 activity at the end of WW2. It is a pleasure to watch the videos you have complied on this often misreported topic.
How much you knew about history is just incredible. I dont have words to describe quality of your videos.
They were so paranoid they saw tiger tanks everywhere, that's pretty crazy the psychological effect it had.
Your videos never cease to entertain
Yesss :D
Love hearing a video about the Super Parsing & King Tiger. These heavy tanks are truly Land Ironclads. Keep up the awesome work.
Did you watch the video? He concludes that it couldn't have been a King Tiger.
@@TheMotorick He said he likes hearing about them and learning more about them. Doesn't mean he thinks it was a king tiger. Didn't you read his comment?
1:38 Thank you for pronouncing Nashorn correctly, too many people get it wrong.
I think its important to be correct
What are the 2 cylinders on the top left of the turret for
Makes me so happy to see that there is a new video!
"It was scrapped." - Mark Felton
Well done again! I know the "Super-Pershing" but I didn't know that it did do some action and I too doubt that it has encountered the Königstiger as it was such a rare beast in the west! Already the normal Pershing was generally considered by it's crew quite sluggish to handle but with the very long 90mm cannon and added armour how did it handle? Interesting story!
The gunner who was in that Pershing was named clarence and the camera man was named bill. There's a book about the duel at the cologne cathedral
I just read "Spearhead" a biography of Sherman tank Gunner in Europe. He later was assigned to one of the few Pershing tanks, and was in the duel with the Panther at Cologne that was recorded on film. In his late age he met with a former German tank crewman whose Mark IV tank he disabled, and they became fast friends. It's a excellent book, chock full of details of what it was like to ride and fight in a tank. Plenty accounts of tense battles, along with many sad moments seeing his friends killed. If you are a tank buff, I promise you will you'll like it.
I always like Mark’s videos before I watch as I know I will like it.
Love your work, Sir. Its all about war history and thats how we liked it.
i genuinely love this channel. Keep up the amazing work mark :)
I liked how they created spaced armor and probably didn't realize it would work in such a capacity. If you look closely you can see the space between the original armor and the sheet of armor they tacked over it. You could hit that all day with a HEAT round and unless you hit the same spot twice it probably wouldn't hurt it.
Love your Videos. Keep up the great work!
“A panzer 4 vs a super Pershing just isn’t as sexy.” I never thought I’d hear this phrase, but it explains things so perfectly. There’s no tension in such a title.
I agree with Mark, it was almost certainly one of Panzer IV H late productions or J lates that were in the area. These vehicles with their schürzen appear thicker than they actually are when viewed through a magnified optic at distance, especially if they had any foliage attached.
Another great video to watch thank you
I asked you before to make a video about this story and at the time you replied to me that it was fake.
I’m glad that you made a video anyways that explains how the myth was started. Greatest ww2 material here.
I saw that documentary and heard that story, but newer beleived in it. Thank you for clearing things up. Tumbs up for your chanel, keep up the good work.
Another great tank battle history lesson . Thank you
The standard 90mm gun was superior to the 88 of the Tiger I with a standard (non hyper-shot) shot velocity of about 200 fps faster (3000 fps versus 2800 fps). The Super Pershing had a super 90 which was so super that it required two-piece ammunition so it could be loaded in the confined space of the Pershing's turret. I have no knowledge of the velocity of that super 90 but it was probably similar to the long 88 of the Tiger II that had a AP shot muzzle velocity of about 3300 fps.
Thank you Mark, very cool
What an excellent and very well researched documentary . Thank you very much .
Mark I've lost count of how many times I've burst out crying when, at the end of your videos. I hear you say:
"...scrapped".
Ahhh a little bit of history with Mark on a Friday evening after just sitting down, good timing!
Charlie 🇬🇧
I got a question why did the 3rd armourde division scrap the rarerest tank while the 1st armourde division dint but they put it on a museum on cantingy park??
People have a thing for single combat warriors. A 90mm gun was already on the M36 TD. The M36 had been in combat since Sep/Oct 1944. But they get ignored compared to the attention on the combat record of the handful of Pershing tanks.
What are these two Tubes on the Top of the Tank? Are they a lifting mechanism thats supports the gunmantled ? In the photos from the scrapyard, you can see the innersection of the tubes and it seemd to be a arrangment og steelcables.
I've seen the show greatest tank battles third season and the gunner a vetran of this Super Pershing said it was a King Tiger and I think a vetran would no the difference and he was there. We need that guy who hosted the battlefeild mysterious series to check this out. I'm still on the fence with this one intersting though they had a deul with a Jagpanther and won. Its ironic since the Jagpanther has the same gun as the Tiger 2. I need to read this account agian which I have in my computer from memory after the engagement about the video in question they also knocked out another TD which was not identified at the time but later thought to be a Stug. Great vid though big thumbs up from me.
I like these videos that debunk myths with simple 'boring' evidence. It gives a much more accurate view of battlefield conditions and I think makes individual soldiers more real as people. At the same time, it takes nothing from their bravery or heroism. Simply put, to face up to any tried and tested German tank in an untried, untested American tank at relatively close range still takes a lot of guts. Still heroes to me.
Excellent as always!
I'd like to add some corrections:
-The Super Pershing was based on the T26E1 prototype, not the T26E3 that was ready for production.
-Its cannon is designated as 90 mm T15E1 L/73, not M3 (L/53, that's the original Pershing cannon), far superior than the Kw.K. 36 of the Tiger I, and similar to the Kw.K 43 of the Tiger II.
1:19 Wow. The speed that burst into flames, the crew would have absolutely no chance. Harrowing.
What are the 2 tubes in front of the commanders cupola?
In one of the pics it shows they appear to be a pair of coil springs with cylindrical covers over them. Probably to counterbalance the add weight of what looks like an extra long barrel so that the whole assembly is more balanced to make things easier for the gear that elevates the gun.
Thank you Mark.
Rich.
I ❤️ this series, when I was a kid in the early 70’s I would build Tamiya tank models, my father would critic my work, lol
Always have to watch as soon as this pops up. Always great content!
Congratulations Dr. Felton on the impressive growth of your channel.
Mr. Felton, excellent as always; thank you so much for your British professionalism!
Remember, at the time they scrapped this it was "just another tank". Yes today it's historical but not then.
A duel with a panther tank. That was shooting at Sherman in another direction. Brilliant analysis.
Although the armor was thin by that time. It was actually something to brag about that they took out a Jadgpanther as it was armed with an 88L71. They should have made that story into legend.
Was the 90 mm on the super Pershing high velocity cannon? Compare to the 88 mm on the Tiger tank
A fascinating video, thank you for the upload.
"Just a mundane German tank"
Panzer IV: cries.
Amazing level of research. Bravo Dr. Felton.
Love this Channel. Keep up the good work.