The Swedish King Tiger
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Discover the full story of how Sweden obtained a rare German King Tiger in 1947 and its ultimate fate.
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"WE NEED IT IN PERFECT RUNNING CONDITION!"
*blows it up*
So the Swedes wanted to see what had become of their iron ore.
Haha yes.
@Stig.A.Filmsnutter If you read up on history you would know that Sweden sold Iron Ore to germany during WW2. They shipped it through Sweden down to Malmö, where they sailed it down to german ports.
@Stig.A.Filmsnutter check ur own facts
Look at what we produced at the time, we realy needed the inspiration.
@Stig.A.Filmsnutter love idiots like you, spout off about something you only know a trivial amount of knowledge about and in process call people who know more than you about it foolish or stupid.
It's too bad they destroyed it. What a piece of history.
Erik Stenberg They tried it out, but it quickly broke down, and they had no spares. IIRC one of the axis broke in half. They used it for target practice afterwards.
@@Le-Cardinal that's what machinist are for. Not like it was an alien ship. It was basic metal and machine works.
A priceless piece of history
The Americans destroyed hundreds of german tanks, and the Russians,
They should have used the burned out one for the firing tests. Better yet, just get a 120mm steel plate for firing tests.
As a swede, I found this really intressting, I did know we got our hands on some Panthers but never heard about a King Tiger. Thanks for the video!
shame it was scrapped like so many others.
Know mannen inte now
_I did know we got our hands on some Panthers_
There is a video floating around of a Panther making a mockery of a Sherman and a Churchill in mobility tests.
It should be clear that in opposition to the dearming between the wars, now Sweden was seriously interested in finding out how good defense against the hardware available in the rest of the world we could mount. Just as described in the video, it was (like in other situations) used to test tank busting weapons on. Putting a foreign tank on museum was not a prime...
*Moral of story: Never give a rare and interesting tank to Sweeden!!......*
@Andy Proper i thought the E-100 was not completed
It was used for development of Bofors heavy weapons, the finest in the world.
Sweden has produced very good armor and excellent anti-tank weapons since 1945, maybe thanks to the King Tiger. For example, Sweden’s Leopard 2 tanks have improved turret armor. They look identical to german army tanks but the armor is different
thank god we gave back the panther tank to the german and dident blow it up (im from sweden)
How sad that the Swedes destroyed their Tiger. I bet they wish they had it now.
K V Dodenburg well they at the moment arw busy destroying their country
K V Dodenburg I wish we had it now
We could use it as target practice for all the grenades in Malmö
I really dont know whats with Nazis on Mark's channel. This guy has literal SS Insignia as his picture
It would be worth Millions and it would make millions by being displayed in a museum
WG: "Oh boy another tiger we can sell as a premium but for swedish crews"
lets buy a rare german tank and destroy it
Swedes: We want a King Tiger
French: Here you go
"shows burnt King Tiger"
Swedes: We want a *functional* King Tiger
Later......
French: We found one
Swedes: Thank you! We'll just use it to blow shit on it!
French: *What?*
U idiot back then it was just a tank nothing special
BHuang92 exactly the same i thought...
After going through a huge hassle to drag it through the woods. No wonder they didn't fight in WWII, no one would take them as an ally.
@August Dahlström unfortunately same with Germany now...
Very interesting.
BTW - that 'fake' train' noise at 3:32 semi-freaked me out (I had headphones on). I had no idea what the noise was or where it was coming from. LOL.
Wow, incredible photos of the journey to Sweden. Thanks for sharing! I cannot understand people that show thumbs down. You do a GREAT job! Please keep up the good work!
These videos about tanks lately are very interesting 'hidden' gems in history!
I'm thinking some model kit companies should be sponsoring this channel, given the number of tank builds it must inspire.
It’s strange that France would give Sweden, a country that remained neutral throughout the war, a King Tiger.
As the Swedes might have said: "We try to stay out of war, but it is important to be ready for one. That Konigstiger looks a bit "Russian" to me...like a Stalin tank? Does the thought of us turning a "Stalin" tank into scrap appeal to you?"
They most likely gave it to us as they wanted to remain on good terms with a very large buffer state between the Soviets and NATO in northern Europe. Also France was littered with them everywhere anyway
Mighty Tiki i don’t know if there is a connection or not but if you read up on the liberation of Paris you will find a swede at the center of events. Hitler had ordered his general in Paris, von Choltitz, to destroy the city with explosives and fire. A Swedish diplomat Raoul Nordling, in several meetings, convinced the general to disobey Hitlers orders.
Neutral? Like the war profiteering nazi collaborating Swiss they made a lot of money selling high-quality Swedish steel to the nazis. So much so that a post war study found that from just access to high-quality Swedish steel the nazi war machine lasted at least six months longer than they would have without. IOW the war lasted 6 months longer than it could have without Swedish steel. should be a book written about the myth of Swiss neutrality at least. Their hands arent dirty nor the country charred rubble. Both the Swedes and the Swiss made a fortune out of ww2 THANK YOU VERY MUCH..................mmmmmmmmmmmmm
I do a favor for you, in a few years down the road, you'll do me a favor...
Wish the Swedish would had restored that big cat instead of scrapping the thing. I've seen videos on youtube about a King tiger that is under restoration process in Switzerland, any news of that one Mark? thanks for sharing.
Here are two videos - the first from 10 months ago and the other from a year ago - they appear to be making slow but steady progress. It's interesting, according the the head restorer, no two King Tigers were built exactly alike.
ua-cam.com/video/PHrZmgA_A3w/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/v_z1P18BwXw/v-deo.html
They have a working one still in one of Frances tank museums, I'm thinking about going there someday. here: ua-cam.com/video/imVVbea2308/v-deo.html
It was used for development of Bofors heavy weapons, the finest in the world.
Sweden after inspection: "Too difficult to build. Let's make volvo's. Blow up this one."
I’m astounded that no word stumps you. Your pronunciation of so many words is top notch from French, German, Japanese, and more. Really nice videos hope they keep coming
There is a Kingtiger in Switzerland as well. It was used as a „Schleppobjekt“, meaning a tank to be dragged by armoured engineering vehicles.
It‘s currently being restored..
A good, no nonsense series of videos with well coordinated film clips and concise narration.
Thanks
I would not say that the King Tiger was the ancestor to modern MBT`s. The Panther is in theory closer to a MBT since it also had (again in theory) rather good mobility. But thats a point over which people are arguing all the time
What about the Centurion?
Weight for weight the King tiger is comparable to Abrams and Challenger 2.
It had probably the best tank gun of its generation
It had almost impenetrable armour.
Due to its wide tracks it was surprisingly mobile cross country.
What let it down were the conditions it was built under, the logistics required to support it and the need for skilled crews to get the best out of it.
I'd say it's a very good candidate as a predecessor to today's big MBTs
Well that could also be said about Shermans and T-34s
The concept is the same for either tank and modern battle tanks. Keep the crews alive longer and keep them in combat longer. Creating a tank is easy, losing that skill to effectively command one is costly because it takes much longer to replace.
Christian Saal I agree. The King Tiger was a heavy tank and Main Battle Tanks (MBT) are not. No one is fielding a heavy tank these days. The US had the M103 heavy tank, but have taken it out of service even though it was well liked by it's crews. There is one sitting in a park near where I live, but without any signage or plaques saying what it is. It's very interesting to compare the mobility and reliability of the King Tiger to the Leopard 2 MBT. The King Tiger does not compare well, but instead the Leopard 2 shows all the improvements gained in tank design since WWII.
ugh they murdered that RARE King Tiger!!!I hope they at least learned something from it. I know their Planes are pretty good but the only Tank of theirs I know about is the S Tank which was awesome
They needed it as much for learning how to deal with heavy enemy tanks as for knowing how to make tanks. Sweden has made good guns and ammunition.
Now we now where the Volvo Estate car came from
We have leopard (or strv122 as we call them in Sweden) tanks now and they are awesome! So we still use german big cats
Google ''stridsvagn 2000'' if you want to see some experimental Swedish tanks.
most Swedish heavy tank design was influenced by the Soviets and the French, the is 3 frontal hull and the french auto loading capability so I guess they didnt really use anything they found on the king tiger. these designs are mostly just blueprints though
If Germany had lasted another 5 years I can’t imagine what their tank and aircraft programs would even have looked like
Their jets were crazy
It wouldn't have mattered. While grossly more advanced in a lot of ways, the German Government made blunder after blunder when it came to weapons. Instead of putting resources into a few sure things, they put a little here, and a little there. That left them at a huge disadvantage against countries that had huge industrial capabilities. Not to mention that Germany lacked a lot of the resources needed continue to build war materials in the first place.
Basically they'd've put the Tirpitz on tracks
Neither do I. But I know those tanks would have been made out of wood. And they would have been pedal-powered.
But, man! The nazi 1946 tanx would prolly LOOK hella awesome.
Maus might have been mass produced.
Obwohl ich sehr viel über Tiger und Panther Panzer wußte, war mir das schwedische Kapitel neu. Es wäre interessant zu erfahren, welche Lehren Schweden daraus ziehen konnte. Es ist verständlich, dass das Tigerwrack als Zielobjekt diente und so "aufgebraucht" wurde. Damals dachte Niemand daran, Panzer für Museen auf zu bewahren. Den Panther in Munsterlager konnte ich mir vor einem Jahr ansehen, dort steht auch ein Königstiger mit Henschelturm, klasse Museum.
Also, the panther at munster now had severe troubles with its maybach engines, leading to the bundeswehr mechanics installing a modern MTU powerplant. I asked a few people how they managed to do that with the old transmission and clutch, as the MTU diesel has probably more torque than the old maybach. But apparently it just works.
Nice video! Thanks for the upload!
I can't believe how you are able to upload these well researched vidoes every day! Keep up the good work!!
Hello Mark . Could you make a few episodes covering the Czech tanks ( Skoda ) , Italian ( they're pretty much forgotten inWW2 general history books ) and Japanese tanks ? Your mini-docs are great !
Another great video mark thank you for sharing
My grandfather actually drove that specific Panther tank while doing his military service at what I believe was called "Stridsvagnsskolan" somewhere around 1950
Enjoying your videos very much, I thought I knew quite a bit about WW2 but you've given me a new insight. Its the details I really enjoy! Keep up the great channel!
Such a shame they destroyed it
It was used for development of Bofors heavy weapons, the finest in the world.
Still by far the best and most enjoyable channel on UA-cam. 👍
Panther and KT - both dead end designs that didn't develop into anything past 1945.
Interesting. This piece also tells a story of Sweden and France and their post war relationship. Thank you.
As a swede I was surprised by this information. While our tank-program did create some interesting models I always assumed that most of the inovation was either copying mostly the brittish or swedish innovation. That we might also have used the King Tiger as a basis for many of our develeopements is a interesting aspect of history that we, probably for political reasons, have overlooked.
Excellent historical work as always Mr Felton!
Your videos are awesome I live in Sweden and I didn't know we had a king tiger
You would have thought the Panther would have been a better tank to study, considering the fact that it would make a better starting point if you wanted to build your own tanks.
We did get a few of those as well.
Sweden had build tanks for 20+ years by then, lots of m42 in the video. But yes you are right. But we ended up buying centurions.
It depends what you want to study. If I remember correctly they did some studies on how good different AT-weapons where against different armour/tanks. This included things like after armour effect. I think they placed live tranquilized bunnies in different positions in the tank. After they had shoot at the tank they killed the bunnies and then checked on things like the ear-drums and etc.
@@hnorrstrom problem with Swedish tank development was that it was so slow every time they started production on a new tank it was already outdated
Reminds me of the En Svensk Tiger achievement in Hoi4
I was thinking the same thing.
"En svensk tiger" could also mean "a Swede keeps silent".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_svensk_tiger
En svensk tiger were a propaganda campaign in Sweden during WW2. "En svensk tiger" was written on a poster together with a tiger with yellow and blue stripes. Tiger in Swedish can mean both tiger (animal) or tiger (to be silent)
Sergeant Panther Fun fact: ”Tiger” in swedish means both ”Tiger” and ”Remains Silent”. ”En svensk tiger” was used as a slogan during the Cold War to in a shrewed way remind people not to talk to strangers.
För han vågar inte öppna käften.. Fega kräk skulle en också kunna säga
Thank you mark Brilliant job on your behalf👍
i was going to sleep but saw the notification and got hyped for the amazing story like other amazing stories u tell us thanks
As a swede. I'm starting to like the french.
Tommy - I have done some in depth Family Tree research, and among my ancient Scandinavian ancestors, I found one with the epithet/nickname - 'Evil Heart of Sweden' - another of my ancestors is William 'The Bastard' 'The Conqueror - so I will say no more!!! :grin:
Your videos are awesome ! Well made and very informative!
Thanks for another amazing video!
So many negative comments about Sweden destroying their King Tiger. If it would be in the modern era, nobody would complain if they destroyed a Leopard 2. To develop new weapons you have to test them on the current top of the line targets.
Now that is an unenlightened comparison . How many Leopard IIs are there ? How many King Tigers ? Did Sweden build either one ? Still see no difference ? Probably not .
Well done Sweden for destroying a historic tank for fun!
That was a very early King Tiger. Extremely rare.
It would fetch millions if it still existed.
The Tiger 2 tank wasnt a predecessor to the modern main battle tank. The main battle tank was of British origin. It combined the speed of a cruiser tank with the frontal armor of a heavy tank.
The Tiger 2 was a German design combining the heavy armor of the tiger 1 tank with the Panthers sloped armour.
Seen that panther driving live twice... the sound is just great!
I always find something fascinating on your channel. Well done!
Thank you for these extra informative postings.
the train sound at 3:40 scared the ever living shit out of me... I thought an earthquake was knocking stuff off my walls!
Wow, I never knew of this, thank you mark
Love these longer-form videos!
Once again, very good stuff!
I knew that the French have one , but not Sweden.
The Swedish HAD one....
French have one in perfect working order in Samur tank museum, they take it out sometimes videos on youtube
@minekpista Fuck outta here with your overused shit "joke"
@lvl100 fat guy that kill the boss minekpista is attempting a old joke about the French, i think he meant that the French version of tanks come with a white flag and four reverse gears, so they can either surrender or retreat quickly, there were similar jokes about Italian tanks with multiple reverse gears and ferrari engines.
Yep, we got the only one in running condition in my city :p Musée des blindés de Saumur. (a nice museum btw)
First time viewer to your channel, subscribed.
I like this informative piece on more "hidden" topic.
Nice one. I am looking forwards to watching through your previous videos and hopefully many more to come.
Love these videos, great pieces of unknown history.
And the Swedes wisely purchased British Centurion tanks afterward.
I wonder what went through the minds of T-34 and M-4 tank crews when they first saw a King Tiger? Most likely they shit themselves.
Wouldn’t you?
Sgt. Borodin: Comrade commander, a new Nazi tank!
Lt. Kuznetsov: I see it, Sergeant. Fire a round at it and make it follow us.
Borodin: Are you crazy? They will pursue and kill us!
Kuznetsov: Not to worry, Pavel, we will lead it into the swamp, then let the infantry deal with it...if it doesn't break down first.
Borodin: Good thinking, Comrade commander. Corporal Ustinov, contact the pyromaniacs in the 8th Guards, this will be very interesting.;)
In the early 1970s I spoke to an ex Sherman tank commander who fought in the Bocage area, and he told me that they were losing so many tanks and crews especially commanders that inexperienced men found themselves suddenly promoted to commander. and as such they would come to him as an experienced commander and seek his advice.He related one such question that went as follows
"what did you do Sir when you saw your first Tiger?"
his reply was
"firstly I shit myself...and secondly when we saw the Tiger hadn't seen us, we got the f**k out of it"
the only piece of advice he said he could give the young man was, "If you get caught by a Tiger or an 88mm gun - and he misses you with his first shot, bail out..... because he won't miss you with his second" I told him "we can replace tanks, but crews we can't"
a remark that has stayed with me a long time.
what went through the minds of T-34 and M-4 tank crews when they first saw a King Tiger? An 88mm ap round
So how to know if a tank is good from the outside look? Well size but size is hard to tell at distance. No soldier had the info we have.
T-34 and m-4 have the same overall construction So it was just another large tank, Until it got reputation.
Swedish Air Force had bought 60 Spitfires Mk XIX in 1948 which were used a reconnaissance planes. Remaining 39 were in good airworthy conditions when they all were scrapped 1955!!
I got scared when that train sound effect started!
The Ikea Tiger....it looked great on paper, its parts and assembly where questionable and when moved it never really functions again.
IKEA is a furniture company that sells shit products to idiots. It sounds like you have some experience of assemble Ikea furniture so you have to be one of those buying idiots?.
gurra63able ikea is not shit
Fascinating video, very obscure but very interesting!
For all the people in disbelief about scrapping it: once you have researched it and learned all you can what practical use do you have of it? It's not your history and it was of a rather recent conflict so scrapping it was a reasonable option especially in post war Europe.
A minor point on Swedish pronunciation: S' at the front of words are pronounced more like in English than in German so not like sch. Also while on topic, rg together at the end of words makes a y sounds so more like Karlsbory.
I'm so glad I live only about 80 miles from saumur
King Tiger: My friend we will together
Panther: okay my friend
After few years
King Tiger : oh no wtf
Today
Panther: where is my friend
Thanks for your hard work to find and tell history as it really happened, and not a politically corrected version.
What did other countries come up with using the German scrapped tanks.post war did they develop anything similar to tiger.what did they adopt from the German design??
Very interesting Mark. Thank you
I disagree with it being the 'Predecessor of the main battle tank' as the King Tiger was designed to specifically be big slow and heavy.
Great video, well researched. Thank you.
Fascinating -- as always!
I heard you say: “Porsche turret” but Porsche didn’t make turrets, Krupp made the turrets, Henschel and Porsche made the hulls, for the king tiger the hulls were made made by Henschel
Still an interesting video
Yes. The turret is different in two versions though.
You beat me to it by 15 minutes.
That bugs All die hard tank enthusiast.
The early model Krupp turret was placed on the Porecher prototype, and was captured at the end of the war.
Porsche did make a turret, it as a rounder front glacis. You can see a version at the Bovington tank museum
Porsche designed the turrets.
It was a prototype turret.
The turret of German tanks were made by the gun manufacturer.
Krupp designed the turret.
Porsche had nothing to do with the design of the turret, and never produced one to this day.
That's a common misconception.
The king tiger had two turrets
That turret is a prototype turret it was NOT made from Porsche as Porsche had 2 design for there own tank against tiger 2, this turret is an early variant made by krupp the reason why it wasn't in full production was because the germans dislike the look and the fact that the design of the turret had possibilities of a shot trap which the germans weren't happy with so krupp made the next variant with 183mm mantlet instead of the previous 100mm
What does the Tiger 2 have to do with modern MBT's?
Skaraborgs regemente P4, Skövde.
Btw the German museum the panther was given to has a UA-cam channel. Sadly most videos are only in German
the audacity of those Germans
Hello Mark could you make a video about the Entwicklungsserie-Tanks? (E-Series)
Yor channel is truly impressive. Very nice stories
Hey guys, let blow up this priceless relic of history and then scrap everything before we give it to the museum
Amazing! Well done!
Great Episode indeed, at least the Panther Ausf G survived intact !!!
Brilliant historical gems!!
Bengal Tiger, indeed a fierce, formidable animal, it is said commonly that if you enter in the jungle be sure that it is watching you from a corner though you can't see him, congratulations from a west bengali person
Actually mark, the turret shouldn't be referres to as a "Porsche" turret because porsche and henschel only made the hull and powersupply i.e. engines and such. The curved turret was a prototype turret, hence the (P). Porsche had no influence on the turrets, which were made by Krupp I think. Otherwise great video, keep it up!
True. But people commonly refer to it these days as the Porsche turret. So even though it’s not a Porsche turret the name seems to have stuck.
Grev A that doesn't mean we should call it the Porsche turret ^^
I’m not saying we should.
I think the "Swedish King Tiger" could very well be one of the tanks bought by Japan but never shipped from France and put back into German service in France.
I understand that the Tiger Japan had bought to study and copy was Tiger model one not the model two (King Tiger) that they did not have the resources or technology to build in Japan.
The king tiger was not the ancestor of the moderm main battle tank.That would be the british centurion tank.
Thanks mark
Very informative and sad but that was then. The king tiger at Aberdeen Proving Ground’s was cut up for internal view . Enjoyed your production.👍👏
fun fact on that Panther: it has a modern Diesel engine know because the original Maybach engine broke. Apart from that the tank is in really nice condition, saw it live in the museum and driving at an event.
You such a good ferret and author. This recent tank series is very interesting and well done.
Great video - thanks.
It occurs to me, that this early Tiger II may have been one of the tanks at the German version of Aberdeen Proving Grounds, and once it became clear that the end was neigh, it was sent out to the front, so never got unit markings.
There was yet another Panther in sweden,which was used for trial. It's today in the Panzer Museum in Munster
Snygg video!
Videos like these just remind me of how the UK scrapped the E-100 hull and running gear :(
King tiger with modern targeting computers would still be formidable. Europe is blessed that in both world wars the USA entered to upset the balance. Only we had the industrial capacity to replace machines faster than the Germans could destroy them.
This is a intresting story. However well known. What about making a video about the story about v1 and v2 rockets from tests that ended up in sweden in 43-44? And got evaluated and sold to the british for radar technology? Few knows that.