i saw a TV show about the yum Kapur war and the centurion could rise and depres it's gun so it shot down and op on the others but the Invaders tanks gun could not and they lost a lot on that account
I was aware Syria had Panzers during the 1967 war, but I had no idea of the numbers. I think it a little sad Hollywood could not get their hands on some of these machines. If they had, those Panzers would have been movie stars for decades.
if ww2 ended atleast a year later (1946), panzer 4's and other feline tanks would've faced against centurions, IS3"s and probably e100 is completed by that time too, to counter such allied tanks
In the period of the first Arab-Israeli-War (1948) the Israelis received a lot of support by Czekoslovakia (initiated by Moscow, of course). Among the shipments were Avia S-199 planes, Czech post-war versions of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109. A lot of the parts had been produced before the end of the war. So in essence the beginnings of the Israeli air force are also marked by Third-Reich technology.
It sort of reminds me of Nixon's famous question to Moshe Dyan; Nixon-"They say you have the best army in the world" Dyan- "I don't know, we've only ever fought arabs"
Like that polish guy with hundreds of personal kills as a mercenary I think: "Whats it like to take human lives?" "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."
My late father and another gunner had to train 8 Egyptians and man a heavy AA gun (gun crew of 10 required). Given the order to fire on an Italian reconnaissance aircraft the first shot was fire and then nothing. The 8 Egyptians all ran away. The same on a nearby gun. The 4 British gunners could only stand there shaking their heads. A while later the Egyptians returned shyly giggling. He was never surprised with Israeli success in it's wars.
@@binaway While that is a funny story, it was kind of unofficial doctrine for Israel's short-lived towed-anti-tank units to fire once and run away before the dust cleared due to the fact that they knew they had zero survivability if engaged, and that it was impossible to remain stealthy due to every shot kicking up a large, noticeable dust cloud. AFAIK those units never actually saw combat before the towed AT guns were mothballed.
If they were not scrapped I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they were used against ISIS and Al-Qaida forces, maybe in a pill box fashion like they used the Stug III's
If only! If all of those were in working order, you’d have more than enough for a panzer regiment of re-enactors, let alone to use in films rather than mockups!
@@MarkFeltonProductions There was one in full running order in the Littlefield Collection which came up for auction in 2014 - it didn't hit the reserve, but I believe was subsequently sold for $2.5m to Warbirds. Much of the collection was sold after Jacques Littlefield's death, in order to fund putting the rest into a museum. It would make for a fascinating video, the largest private collection in the world (some 220 vehicles), including some really interesting kit.
When operating one of those training is as important as the machine itself. The German army did not let anyone touch one of those if not trained. They were very expensive to build.
And during Israel's war of independence, the newly created Israeli Air Force flew Czech made ME-109's piloted by American volunteers versus the Arab air forces flying Spitfires.
Would be nice to see a video about this😊. The Avia s199 me 109's with a bomber motor. Terrible aircraft. And the arabs had spitfires, Macchi 205 and Fiat g55. I've heard that Hafez Assad, Bashar al Assad's father flew the Fiat G55.
Don't tell Gaijin that Haha. Happens very often in War Thunder. Can't tell you how many times playing Germany I've had my Tiger taken out by a Centurion.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Culturally they are more oriented to guerilla warfare than conventional warfare. Great at individual heroics. Nineteen of them got the US to start the War on Terror.
I'm fairly sure the Israelis 'up-gunned' the Sherman tanks. The video mentioned high velocity French 75mm guns - it turns out these are Sherman M-50s and the 105mm equipped ones were called the Sherman M-51s. Both varients were used in the Six Day War.
@@averagefilipino315 They were multiple type of French improvements for Sherman's The FL10 Sherman (Amx13 turret with the long 75), the m50 (75mm SA50 on the Sherman) and the M51 Super Sherman with the 105 high velocity French gun (Pratically the same as the Amx10 RC)
Modernized Shermans vs unupgraded Panzer IVs though, the battlefield pictures of these tanks show they didn't even have the added front armor plating the Germans ghetto rigged them with in 1944 out of desperation. (they did on the turret sides for some reason though?) Not even a contest for the heavy sloped armor high-velocity 75mm Shermans.
The Pz IV was actually a good tank but only the Germans made good use of it. In this case it was a total mismatch. Against Centurions and Super Shermans manned by well trained crews it didn’t stand a chance.
Perhaps as a follow-up to this video, it is an interesting idea to create a video about how Israel managed to conquer the Sinai desert in Egypt during the Six-days war? To be honest, it is rather incredible that in 1967 35 German tanks were still 'active', in Syria of all places. Really enjoyed the video, as always!
The 1973 Yom Kippur war is a lot more interesting. The Egyptian Army initially kicked the IDF's butt, the IDF came roaring back across the Suez canal and had the Egyptian Army by the balls AND the throat before the US and the USSR demanded a cease-fire, but in the end, Anwar Sadat won the war at the negotiating table. Syria got beat up badly, too, but the Jordanian Army just kept their heads down.
@@schaihmansur8298 So you are saying that egyptians can be easily bought to betray their country? That is of course a much more palatable explanation than the egyptian army being ill-equipped and outdated.
Agreed. The "cats" get all the attention but the humble PzkW-IV was the most common model and carried the bulk of the combat. Even up to the end they were, with upgrades, still fairly capable.
Was a lovely looking tank, and ferocious with the big gun. Pains me to see them sitting atop a hill rusting away like that. I suppose Syria has bigger problems these days.
0:47 that is in the Yad La-Shiryon tank museum in Latrun, Israel, a Panzer IV displayed next to a Stug III. The Syrians also had T-34s and ISU-152s, the israeli tank museum has those as well.
@@billmcfadden4791 blitzkrieg was never a concept. Germany simply adopted the same style they had since the Franco-Prussian war. If you mean modern combined arms, then the French and British had done so during world war I. If you referring to pure mechanized formations, then both Germany and Britain had published papers on this subject which resulted in both copying off of each other. Germany further refined this during secret cooperation with USSR and eventually put it to the test during the Spanish civil war. Poland was actually a fairly traditional encirclement, but the aforementioned innovations are further refined. Then you have the French campaign where the Wehrmacht have matured in to the fighting force we know of today, although it would continue to adapt and change throughout the entire war, especially against USSR.
I visited the Latrun tank museum with my family in 1990 and remember seeing the captured panzer IV with arabic markings among other decomissioned israeli and captured vehicles, my father may or may not have pictures of it, i only remember seeing a picture of me and my siblings next to some recovery vehicle and some weird locally converted m4 apc kind of deal.
I bet Bruce from combat dealers would love to strike a deal on the remaining tanks in the Golan Heights 😂😂 Cheers for the effort you put into your unique and captivating content. Peace and Love.
I always find it interesting to see where ww2 material ended up after the war. It's not like it just disappeared. Thanks for showing us more history. =)
If I'm not mistaken, the surviving Pz 4 now resides in the American Armored Federation Tank Museum in Danville, VA. After speaking with the owner, he did state that it was a Syrian specimen that was originally captured on the Eastern front, then sent abroad as part of a program to arm enemies of the West, yet maintain a degree of deniability as Stalin didn't have the A-bomb yet. Regardless as to if it's the one mentioned in the video, it's definitely a hybrid Panzer 4, which sits alongside a number of other unicorns like a T48 Patton and a self-parted Bradley IFV- a vehicle illegal to own as an original complete vehicle, by name, but legal if combined from parts.
Man,those panzer 4s were amazing machines.How many other mid 30s designed tanks were still front line tanks at the end of ww2,not to mention just how adaptable the chassis was for a variety of other tasks.Definitely one of the best tanks of its era.
I have in the past read about Panzer IVs fighting for Syria but it was always a case of having no proof and some doubt as to whether or not it was true. Then a couple of years ago I came across an article about the Golan Heights and there was a Panzer IV. And now, thanks to this video, I see it was much more extensive then I thought. Well done
These pretty unknown stories are are so unique and hold such quality that I've decided to support Mark Felton on Patreon as the only youtuber. He deserves it. May the good work continue!
I doubt the History Channel will ever include this information in one of their documentaries. I had no idea German AFVs were used outside of Spain after WW2. Thanks!
What a fascinating bit of history. I've visited the Golan Heights; there's a lot of war detritus there but a lot of the area is fenced off due to thousands of mines. Anyone hoping to salvage these potential museum pieces would have to bring a de-mining team and have a lot of time on their hands.
Razvan Rinder You forget that the Syrians were facing Centurions armed with L7s and Shermans armed with French high velocity 75mm guns which were derived from the Panther’s 75mm. If there were German crews then the only difference would be we’d be calling it the “6-1/2 day war”, if anything.
I don't believe that would be the case. That's like saying with good crews T55s could take on Abrams or Leopard 11. A centurion firing 105mm AP rounds could take out a panzer 4 miles before the panzer 4 came within range. If you think Sherman vs Tiger was one sided this battle would be multiple times more one sided.
Against centurions with 105mm guns no not really. The panzer 4s were completely out classes in every respect. With the flat open grounds the 105mm gun on the centurions could destroy them in a single shot before the panzers could even fire back and even if they could get close they could not pen the front of a centurion and would even have trouble with the sides but getting to the sides just wouldn't happen with the flat open grounds.
I love the history on these! I have been curious for some time about the Panzers use in the 6 day war and now I know fully! It might also explain where some of the more curious WW2 weapons in the current rebel conflict have come from as well. Excellent video Mark! Thank you again!
After 1945 many German tanks were collected in scrapyards but the enterprising French repaired and then sold on to Middle East and Africa. There are photos of those scrapyards available online. And don't forget lots of Panzers were used and abandoned in Greece and area.
Thanks for another interesting video. Syria was only in the Six Days War because of false reports that the IDF had been crushed and Egyptian forces were advancing n Tel Aviv. Not wanting to be left out of the division of territory after the war, the Syrian Army went into action. In addition to poor maintenance of its armored vehicles, they also had a plethora of types, from the Panzer IVs, Churchills, Shermans, and various Russian types, including the T-34 and T-54. Even though the Syrians had over 1,000 tanks on strength, less than 300 were operation on the first day of the war. Israel swifty destroyed two thirds of the Syrian air force on the ground, ending any hope of close air support. Israel's aircraft were free to roam the Golan Heights, and any tanks that showed themselves were quickly attacked. There were a few hard tank vs tank battles when the Syrians were able to mount an armoured attack before the Israeli planes showed up, but many Syrian tanks were either abandoned by their crews or swiftly withdrew behind Syrian lines. The infantry was poorly trained and led, and it tended to break and run at the sight of Israeli tanks. The constant attacks by aircraft, while not really doing much damage to the Syrian defense lines, demoralized Syrian soldiers and caused many units to surrender en masse, sometimes killing their own officer trying to prevent the surrender. Syria had gotten itself in a war based on lies, and in a war it wasn't prepared to fight. All the Panzers in the world couldn't have helped them in 1967
Not only were the Syrians duped by Egyptian false reporting but so were the Jordanians. The Jordanian Arab Legion was the only force on the Arab side that fought with honor and tenacity.
Want it British trained and led by a Brit? They agreed to an honorable peace and have worked for the good of all in the region since then. Much respect.
The French and the Czechs share the distinction of supplying both Israel and Syria, as it turns out, and the materiel that Israel received from Czechoslavia included 23 Avia S-199s, Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters fitted with Junkers Jumo 211F engines instead of Daimler-Benz DB 605s (something for a future Mark Felton video, perhaps?), which served briefly alongside B-17s, Beaufighters, Mosquitoes and Spitfires.
I absolutely love these " old school vs. new school" when it comes to military engagements. I mean, the newer technology wins most of the time, but it's also cool that you get weird and quirky pieces of history like this where panzer IV's fight centurions and shermans have 105mm anti-tank guns on them. Would love to see more like this
I never in a thousand years would I have imagine that Syria would be using captured Nazi Germany Panzer IV's to kill Israeli soldiers. WOW! I hope Syria still has one of those jagdpanzer in storage. Thanks for the video.
Earlier in the Civil War, the Free Syrian Army used StG-44s. A few thousand of them too. No idea what has happened to them, since the FSA is all but defunct now.
I had no idea these tanks saw active service in the 60's absolutley facinating stuff! Great video thanks for sharing this little gem of hidden history!
IDF tank crews have always trained to shoot accurately at the extreme ranges of their main guns. They can therefore knock out enemy tanks usually well before the enemy can engage. In most tank battles, who shoots first, most accurately gets the kill.
Well you atleast you have the guts to confess that the arab army was unproffesional,im just sad cause those ww2 tanks are beatiful and just werent used how they should be.😞
Ya'atiq il afya ya Omar! Better have good neighbor than a far away brother!!! May we have peace and stability in the middle east! We sure all need it! Salam aleikum min daulat Israel 👍
I am from Czech republic and I did not know we sold panzers to Syria. Before communist party ruled the country in 1948 we also sold some Messerschmitt bf 109 and Spitfires to Izrael. Theese planes we were used after WW2 in service.
Huzzah, obscure yet fascinating trivia I actually _knew_ about prior to watching, for once! Regardless, I suspect I'm in the majority of viewers subconsciously lamenting at how few (if any) of these irreplaceable antiques weren't procured from the Syrians at some point for preservation and subsequent exhibition amongst the world's _panzer-hungry_ tank museums.... Indeed, it's frustrating at just how much WW2 German armour Syria had amassed only (relatively) recently only for the vast majority of to have been destroyed. Bah. ;)
It really pissed me off when he said that Syria has possibly scrapped the rare jagdpanzer IVs that they had. probably one of my favorite variants of the German tank destroyers.
As always, a great video. I've heard about Panzerkampfwagen 4's being used in and by Syria, but never anything with so much detail. Thank you for another great video
Rommel, Guderian, Wittmann, Knispel and Tiger 2's vs the Israelis . Now there's the main event. Panzers 4's (outclassed in '43) in the hands of Syria in the 1960's? Great channel. Really enjoying. Thanks Mark.
Damn, you find some really interesting history...I'd sub twice if I could. You do excellent work Mark and I love it!! You have become my "go to" channel, the only one I have with an alert.
Very interesting thanks! Not seen any decent film of German field maintenance, until this vid. The two volumes of "Repairing the Panzers" are great, as is "Der Strabokran".
The lack of a professional crew is the biggest problem.
i was about to say the same. a decent crew would have been able to knock out some shermans i guess
probably manned by conscripted goat farmers with a few days of training
i saw a TV show about the yum Kapur war and the centurion could rise and depres it's gun so it shot down and op on the others but the Invaders tanks gun could not and they lost a lot on that account
Yeah Syria shouldn't have cheaped out on the ace crews, they would have been well worth a few golden eagles.
True
Sad to think how people could scrap such a legendary tank in the 90's. I could understand the 50's but the 90's?
Absolutely love these little pieces of hidden history 👍🏻
So true
Love the irony of seeing the Jews have the honor of destroying the last of them.
Iraq and syria has many of those pieces 😅
You could say the Germans were a bit more effective with them lol
Urrrgh, when will they fix this MatchMaking, I sick of facing Centurions in my Pz 4!
Welcome to World of Tanks! My tier 6 Sherman vs tier 8 anything! If I catch them from the flank or rear, I can chip the paint!
A tank without well trained and experienced crew is worth nothing.
And any tank without support is just a fancy coffin.
I was aware Syria had Panzers during the 1967 war, but I had no idea of the numbers. I think it a little sad Hollywood could not get their hands on some of these machines. If they had, those Panzers would have been movie stars for decades.
"Frankenstein tanks". You missed a golden opportunity to call them Frankenpanzers
Panzer IV's vs. Centurions??
Absolute suicide.
if ww2 ended atleast a year later (1946), panzer 4's and other feline tanks would've faced against centurions, IS3"s and probably e100 is completed by that time too, to counter such allied tanks
Especially considering the training and tactics used by Israel.
A tank is just a pile of scrap metal without an effective crew
What irony the final battlefield for Nazi built tanks would be in Israel.
Big oof
@Kekistan Shitlord I mean they were used and manufactured by the nazi regime so they might have a little to do with the Nazis
Wehraboos unite!!!
Kekistan Shitlord the tanks were manned by people fighting for the ideology.
In the period of the first Arab-Israeli-War (1948) the Israelis received a lot of support by Czekoslovakia (initiated by Moscow, of course). Among the shipments were Avia S-199 planes, Czech post-war versions of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109. A lot of the parts had been produced before the end of the war. So in essence the beginnings of the Israeli air force are also marked by Third-Reich technology.
It sort of reminds me of Nixon's famous question to Moshe Dyan;
Nixon-"They say you have the best army in the world"
Dyan- "I don't know, we've only ever fought arabs"
Like that polish guy with hundreds of personal kills as a mercenary I think:
"Whats it like to take human lives?"
"I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."
lol
My late father and another gunner had to train 8 Egyptians and man a heavy AA gun (gun crew of 10 required). Given the order to fire on an Italian reconnaissance aircraft the first shot was fire and then nothing. The 8 Egyptians all ran away. The same on a nearby gun. The 4 British gunners could only stand there shaking their heads. A while later the Egyptians returned shyly giggling. He was never surprised with Israeli success in it's wars.
@@binaway that is arguably what every human being should do. Let the fat fucks send their own sons to die.
@@binaway While that is a funny story, it was kind of unofficial doctrine for Israel's short-lived towed-anti-tank units to fire once and run away before the dust cleared due to the fact that they knew they had zero survivability if engaged, and that it was impossible to remain stealthy due to every shot kicking up a large, noticeable dust cloud.
AFAIK those units never actually saw combat before the towed AT guns were mothballed.
I bet they are kicking themselves at scrapping those Jdgpz 4s if they did scrap them. They would surely be worth a fortune to collectors these days.
If they were not scrapped I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they were used against ISIS and Al-Qaida forces, maybe in a pill box fashion like they used the Stug III's
Thats what I thought too, a decent Panzer will sell for 5 million pounds
James Horsey Walsh At the end of WW2 the US army carriers dumps hundreds of planes into the sea.
The Syrian Big Oof.
Not to mention the current, larger oof.
israel "tried" to do a preemptive strike??? dude they did more than try, they wiped out egypts airforce on the ground in a surprise attack.
Only £110,000 per tank with spares and ammunition?! That would be a steal today!
I wonder how much they are worth today in restored condition - a couple of million I should imagine
If only! If all of those were in working order, you’d have more than enough for a panzer regiment of re-enactors, let alone to use in films rather than mockups!
@@MarkFeltonProductions There was one in full running order in the Littlefield Collection which came up for auction in 2014 - it didn't hit the reserve, but I believe was subsequently sold for $2.5m to Warbirds. Much of the collection was sold after Jacques Littlefield's death, in order to fund putting the rest into a museum. It would make for a fascinating video, the largest private collection in the world (some 220 vehicles), including some really interesting kit.
When operating one of those training is as important as the machine itself. The German army did not let anyone touch one of those if not trained. They were very expensive to build.
And during Israel's war of independence, the newly created Israeli Air Force flew Czech made ME-109's piloted by American volunteers versus the Arab air forces flying Spitfires.
Would be nice to see a video about this😊. The Avia s199 me 109's with a bomber motor. Terrible aircraft. And the arabs had spitfires, Macchi 205 and Fiat g55. I've heard that Hafez Assad, Bashar al Assad's father flew the Fiat G55.
These fighters were kind of frankensteins, because they were Me 109G airframes with engines from He 111 and they were not as good as normal Me 109s.
That would be worthy of another video in itself!
Ironic.
Funny how evil have the same planes
When you put Dshks in a panzer IV so the untrained crew is even more cramped
*outstanding move*
Centurions versus Pz MkIV's?. Don't think much of the matchmaking 😛
Not only the tank tier mismatch, but its tomatoes versus unicums.
More like a one night stand.
Pz IV: Nein! Why did I sign up for this
Cent. : Hehehe...
Ha! The gun on the pz could probably go through side armour of the cent easily
Don't tell Gaijin that Haha. Happens very often in War Thunder. Can't tell you how many times playing Germany I've had my Tiger taken out by a Centurion.
If u aren’t trained disciplined and fighting for something u are invested in no tank or plane will win the battle!!!!
True, and Arabs are well known to suffer from bad quality training and tactics.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Good runners though
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Still do, always will.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Culturally they are more oriented to guerilla warfare than conventional warfare. Great at individual heroics.
Nineteen of them got the US to start the War on Terror.
Sure did Japan a lot of good.
Syria : *buys panzers to kill shermans*
Isreal : hey britain can we get some of them cents?
Britian : yah sure
Syria : oh come on.....
Wow even 22 years after the war we still had (at least at the start) shermans versing panzer 4s...
Are you syrian?
I'm fairly sure the Israelis 'up-gunned' the Sherman tanks. The video mentioned high velocity French 75mm guns - it turns out these are Sherman M-50s and the 105mm equipped ones were called the Sherman M-51s. Both varients were used in the Six Day War.
Simon Norris the Egyptians had shermans with amx turrets instead of the standard Sherman turrets
@@averagefilipino315 They were multiple type of French improvements for Sherman's The FL10 Sherman (Amx13 turret with the long 75), the m50 (75mm SA50 on the Sherman) and the M51 Super Sherman with the 105 high velocity French gun (Pratically the same as the Amx10 RC)
Modernized Shermans vs unupgraded Panzer IVs though, the battlefield pictures of these tanks show they didn't even have the added front armor plating the Germans ghetto rigged them with in 1944 out of desperation. (they did on the turret sides for some reason though?) Not even a contest for the heavy sloped armor high-velocity 75mm Shermans.
proof that Warthunder's matchmaking is trash
LOL
U mean proof tha warthunder's matchmaking is realistic
You mean realistic?
The Pz IV was actually a good tank but only the Germans made good use of it.
In this case it was a total mismatch. Against Centurions and Super Shermans manned by well trained crews it didn’t stand a chance.
Perhaps as a follow-up to this video, it is an interesting idea to create a video about how Israel managed to conquer the Sinai desert in Egypt during the Six-days war? To be honest, it is rather incredible that in 1967 35 German tanks were still 'active', in Syria of all places. Really enjoyed the video, as always!
Israel had night vision systems in there tanks and the Egyptians did not. ggwp
@@MrAwol007 Israel paid much money to have spyes in the Egypt army.... Nightvision my ass.
@@MrAwol007 israel didn't have night vision in 67.....
The 1973 Yom Kippur war is a lot more interesting. The Egyptian Army initially kicked the IDF's butt, the IDF came roaring back across the Suez canal and had the Egyptian Army by the balls AND the throat before the US and the USSR demanded a cease-fire, but in the end, Anwar Sadat won the war at the negotiating table. Syria got beat up badly, too, but the Jordanian Army just kept their heads down.
@@schaihmansur8298 So you are saying that egyptians can be easily bought to betray their country? That is of course a much more palatable explanation than the egyptian army being ill-equipped and outdated.
Bank : Now why do you want £110,000 loan?
Me: reasons...
I know most prefer the Panther or Tiger, but my favorite WW2 German tank was the up-gunned Panzer 4 models.
Gotta love the Jagd IV and ole Stug III too!
Panzer 4 is my second favorite after the panther
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Don't leave out the forgotten StuG IV!
Agreed. The "cats" get all the attention but the humble PzkW-IV was the most common model and carried the bulk of the combat. Even up to the end they were, with upgrades, still fairly capable.
Was a lovely looking tank, and ferocious with the big gun. Pains me to see them sitting atop a hill rusting away like that. I suppose Syria has bigger problems these days.
The Six Day War is just an average domination match in War Thunder
One of these former Syrian Panzer IVs was purchased by the American Armoured Foundation and is on display in their collection in Danville, VA.
0:47 that is in the Yad La-Shiryon tank museum in Latrun, Israel, a Panzer IV displayed next to a Stug III.
The Syrians also had T-34s and ISU-152s, the israeli tank museum has those as well.
Gotta love the French...Panzers to Syria, Exocets to Argentina, Naval ships (almost) to Putin. Ah, my friend is always the one with the gold.
Its ironic to see the Russian t-34 and the German Panzer where they were enemies at a day
They are fighting side to side in 1967
It's all about TRAINING! Or, the lack thereof.
The Arabs had no idea how to use a Pz 4.
The greatest irony is that the Israelis used a form of Blitzkrieg in the six-day war against the arabs and their german tanks😂
The Israelis hase used The S199 Plane Tschechoslowakian version of Messerschmitt Bf109
Theodor Körner blitzkrieg was initially a British concept adapted by German army
@@billmcfadden4791 blitzkrieg was never a concept. Germany simply adopted the same style they had since the Franco-Prussian war.
If you mean modern combined arms, then the French and British had done so during world war I. If you referring to pure mechanized formations, then both Germany and Britain had published papers on this subject which resulted in both copying off of each other.
Germany further refined this during secret cooperation with USSR and eventually put it to the test during the Spanish civil war. Poland was actually a fairly traditional encirclement, but the aforementioned innovations are further refined. Then you have the French campaign where the Wehrmacht have matured in to the fighting force we know of today, although it would continue to adapt and change throughout the entire war, especially against USSR.
and it was at the start of ww2 and they used later versions were germany hade more of an defens war
@@billmcfadden4791 germans invented Bewegungskrieg along with Auftragstaktik during the napoleonic wars.
You just don't get this kind of history lesson in the public school system.
New subscriber. - Great video.
I visited the Latrun tank museum with my family in 1990 and remember seeing the captured panzer IV with arabic markings among other decomissioned israeli and captured vehicles, my father may or may not have pictures of it, i only remember seeing a picture of me and my siblings next to some recovery vehicle and some weird locally converted m4 apc kind of deal.
Pommy Pie we all do
When your WW2 flashbacks start shooting at you
Yeah no kidding the Jews were probably rather unnerved
But when I say I want a STUG III, my wife says, "What are you going to do with that?"
Your knowledge and voice is very admirable I’ve watched almost all of your documentaries
Not only is this so fascinating but you have an incredible voice, it's so classic
I bet Bruce from combat dealers would love to strike a deal on the remaining tanks in the Golan Heights 😂😂
Cheers for the effort you put into your unique and captivating content. Peace and Love.
I always find it interesting to see where ww2 material ended up after the war. It's not like it just disappeared. Thanks for showing us more history. =)
If I'm not mistaken, the surviving Pz 4 now resides in the American Armored Federation Tank Museum in Danville, VA. After speaking with the owner, he did state that it was a Syrian specimen that was originally captured on the Eastern front, then sent abroad as part of a program to arm enemies of the West, yet maintain a degree of deniability as Stalin didn't have the A-bomb yet. Regardless as to if it's the one mentioned in the video, it's definitely a hybrid Panzer 4, which sits alongside a number of other unicorns like a T48 Patton and a self-parted Bradley IFV- a vehicle illegal to own as an original complete vehicle, by name, but legal if combined from parts.
Man,those panzer 4s were amazing machines.How many other mid 30s designed tanks were still front line tanks at the end of ww2,not to mention just how adaptable the chassis was for a variety of other tasks.Definitely one of the best tanks of its era.
I found this to be a particularly fascinating offering Dr. Felton. I really enjoy watching your series. Thank You. RB
I have in the past read about Panzer IVs fighting for Syria but it was always a case of having no proof and some doubt as to whether or not it was true. Then a couple of years ago I came across an article about the Golan Heights and there was a Panzer IV. And now, thanks to this video, I see it was much more extensive then I thought. Well done
These pretty unknown stories are are so unique and hold such quality that I've decided to support Mark Felton on Patreon as the only youtuber. He deserves it. May the good work continue!
Why not list them on ebay? Pick up only.
german tanks staying true to their cause until the end
Great video Mark, very well researched, narrated and edited.
Well done Mr. Felton.
They were used here? I didn't know that, thanks for the info
And some are still there today!
@@MarkFeltonProductions we must save them
It had been speculated about for sometime. But there was no photographic evidence which could be used to back it up. Until now.
I doubt the History Channel will ever include this information in one of their documentaries. I had no idea German AFVs were used outside of Spain after WW2. Thanks!
What a fascinating bit of history. I've visited the Golan Heights; there's a lot of war detritus there but a lot of the area is fenced off due to thousands of mines. Anyone hoping to salvage these potential museum pieces would have to bring a de-mining team and have a lot of time on their hands.
The Syrians problem was that they had only the panzers. With German tank crews Israelis would have faced serious resistance.
There wouldent be an israel if the syrian army was commanded by german officers.
Razvan Rinder You forget that the Syrians were facing Centurions armed with L7s and Shermans armed with French high velocity 75mm guns which were derived from the Panther’s 75mm. If there were German crews then the only difference would be we’d be calling it the “6-1/2 day war”, if anything.
I don't believe that would be the case. That's like saying with good crews T55s could take on Abrams or Leopard 11. A centurion firing 105mm AP rounds could take out a panzer 4 miles before the panzer 4 came within range. If you think Sherman vs Tiger was one sided this battle would be multiple times more one sided.
Against Centurians? Maybe not. And of course, the IDF had complete air superiority at the end.
Against centurions with 105mm guns no not really. The panzer 4s were completely out classes in every respect. With the flat open grounds the 105mm gun on the centurions could destroy them in a single shot before the panzers could even fire back and even if they could get close they could not pen the front of a centurion and would even have trouble with the sides but getting to the sides just wouldn't happen with the flat open grounds.
I’ve seen the panzer hulks on the goland highs. You have to know what your looking at.
Daryl Campbell oh god anything but panzer hulks
I love the history on these! I have been curious for some time about the Panzers use in the 6 day war and now I know fully! It might also explain where some of the more curious WW2 weapons in the current rebel conflict have come from as well. Excellent video Mark! Thank you again!
After 1945 many German tanks were collected in scrapyards but the enterprising French repaired and then sold on to Middle East and Africa.
There are photos of those scrapyards available online.
And don't forget lots of Panzers were used and abandoned in Greece and area.
Thanks for another interesting video. Syria was only in the Six Days War because of false reports that the IDF had been crushed and Egyptian forces were advancing n Tel Aviv. Not wanting to be left out of the division of territory after the war, the Syrian Army went into action. In addition to poor maintenance of its armored vehicles, they also had a plethora of types, from the Panzer IVs, Churchills, Shermans, and various Russian types, including the T-34 and T-54.
Even though the Syrians had over 1,000 tanks on strength, less than 300 were operation on the first day of the war. Israel swifty destroyed two thirds of the Syrian air force on the ground, ending any hope of close air support. Israel's aircraft were free to roam the Golan Heights, and any tanks that showed themselves were quickly attacked. There were a few hard tank vs tank battles when the Syrians were able to mount an armoured attack before the Israeli planes showed up, but many Syrian tanks were either abandoned by their crews or swiftly withdrew behind Syrian lines. The infantry was poorly trained and led, and it tended to break and run at the sight of Israeli tanks. The constant attacks by aircraft, while not really doing much damage to the Syrian defense lines, demoralized Syrian soldiers and caused many units to surrender en masse, sometimes killing their own officer trying to prevent the surrender. Syria had gotten itself in a war based on lies, and in a war it wasn't prepared to fight. All the Panzers in the world couldn't have helped them in 1967
Not only were the Syrians duped by Egyptian false reporting but so were the Jordanians. The Jordanian Arab Legion was the only force on the Arab side that fought with honor and tenacity.
Want it British trained and led by a Brit? They agreed to an honorable peace and have worked for the good of all in the region since then. Much respect.
The French and the Czechs share the distinction of supplying both Israel and Syria, as it turns out, and the materiel that Israel received from Czechoslavia included 23 Avia S-199s, Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters fitted with Junkers Jumo 211F engines instead of Daimler-Benz DB 605s (something for a future Mark Felton video, perhaps?), which served briefly alongside B-17s, Beaufighters, Mosquitoes and Spitfires.
"Ok Panzer IV -you're matched with....... SURPRISE it's a CENTURIAN!!"
-Tankies' blind date from hell.
Mark's next video - "Yet another last German panzer battle".
I absolutely love these " old school vs. new school" when it comes to military engagements. I mean, the newer technology wins most of the time, but it's also cool that you get weird and quirky pieces of history like this where panzer IV's fight centurions and shermans have 105mm anti-tank guns on them. Would love to see more like this
I never in a thousand years would I have imagine that Syria would be using captured Nazi Germany Panzer IV's to kill Israeli soldiers. WOW! I hope Syria still has one of those jagdpanzer in storage. Thanks for the video.
@Usecriticalthinking no not isis ); poor panzer
Earlier in the Civil War, the Free Syrian Army used StG-44s. A few thousand of them too. No idea what has happened to them, since the FSA is all but defunct now.
Israel has at least one of the Syrian tanks in an open air museum. ^^
Well, Israel captured one of those i guess.
@@fatdad64able Need to go and check this out myself.
Love watching his channel - I’m a huge history buff but this dude enlightens me everyday
Wow pure eye opener
Cheers for that..👍
I had no idea these tanks saw active service in the 60's absolutley facinating stuff! Great video thanks for sharing this little gem of hidden history!
the 28 dislikes are egyptians that still think they won the 6 day war
Incorrect, most of the dislikes are because it's a pretty piss poor History Channel level documentary
IDF tank crews have always trained to shoot accurately at the extreme ranges of their main guns. They can therefore knock out enemy tanks usually well before the enemy can engage. In most tank battles, who shoots first, most accurately gets the kill.
The British were like, “these chaps have panzer 4’s you say?”
We scale modelers thank you very much for this video. It will inspire countless models and dioramas.
Thanks Mark
1940's technology vs 1960's technology..(no contest)
this is what happens when you give idiots tanks.
I'm an Arab myself don't get triggered
Kimi
xD
Well you atleast you have the guts to confess that the arab army was unproffesional,im just sad cause those ww2 tanks are beatiful and just werent used how they should be.😞
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Ya'atiq il afya ya Omar!
Better have good neighbor than a far away brother!!!
May we have peace and stability in the middle east! We sure all need it!
Salam aleikum min daulat Israel 👍
Mark Felton FTW!
That was an absolutely brilliantly detailed video.
I am from Czech republic and I did not know we sold panzers to Syria. Before communist party ruled the country in 1948 we also sold some Messerschmitt bf 109 and Spitfires to Izrael. Theese planes we were used after WW2 in service.
This video is just another example of continued excellence on the part of the author. Many thanks for posting it, and I look forward to many more...
Huzzah, obscure yet fascinating trivia I actually _knew_ about prior to watching, for once!
Regardless, I suspect I'm in the majority of viewers subconsciously lamenting at how few (if any) of these irreplaceable antiques weren't procured from the Syrians at some point for preservation and subsequent exhibition amongst the world's _panzer-hungry_ tank museums....
Indeed, it's frustrating at just how much WW2 German armour Syria had amassed only (relatively) recently only for the vast majority of to have been destroyed. Bah. ;)
@Projekt:Kobra We could try to invade France. 2 Panzers should be enough ^^
It really pissed me off when he said that Syria has possibly scrapped the rare jagdpanzer IVs that they had. probably one of my favorite variants of the German tank destroyers.
Mark Felton your documentary shows are of great historical importance, it's an absolutely amazing story.
Having Centurions participate in the Six Day War was just adding salt to the wound for the Syrians.
One of these captured PzKw IV's is part of the collection at the AAF tank museum in Danville Va. Thanks for sharing !
Should have hired some ex German tank commanders
As always, a great video. I've heard about Panzerkampfwagen 4's being used in and by Syria, but never anything with so much detail. Thank you for another great video
Sort of sad to see how many were lost despite being historic tanks thad had value at the time.
Rommel, Guderian, Wittmann, Knispel and Tiger 2's vs the Israelis . Now there's the main event. Panzers 4's (outclassed in '43) in the hands of Syria in the 1960's? Great channel. Really enjoying. Thanks Mark.
Tanks firing against farmers - tells you all you need to know about Arabs & their armies.
I am stunned to learn about this. Excellent research and narration, Mark.
It's incredible how good you can pronounce the german terms
Really interesting, never heard of aspect. Homework done - good research. Nice footage (pictures, cutscenes; text and narrator). THANKS.
Good tank in wrong hands
Were they ever in the right ones?
@@vespelian5769 yep
Vespelian true
@@nlb4329 in german hands they were the best
@@vespelian5769 yes
EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY. MY COMPLIMENTS,M MARK FELTON
Damn, you find some really interesting history...I'd sub twice if I could.
You do excellent work Mark and I love it!! You have become my "go to" channel, the only one I have with an alert.
Fascinating- I knew a little about this, but no where near what you have presented. Many thanks.
imagine if this tank they have been driven by the Germans the same one that they fight in ww2
Could you do a video on Israeli Avia S-199s in combat during 1948? (Czechoslovakian Bf 109 Gs with Jumo 211 engines.)
With all these tanks, its basically world war 2 2 electric boogaloo
Failed Blitzkrieg part II: Allied Jewish Boogaloo
@@derptank3308 even better
Very interesting thanks! Not seen any decent film of German field maintenance, until this vid. The two volumes of "Repairing the Panzers" are great, as is "Der Strabokran".
I must say, Syria has a good taste when it comes to tanks 😏
Oskar Bergström yep just not trained or disciplined to use them effectively!!!
Not for the 1960's
Didn’t help them one bit.
If they were smart they would have gotten Shermans
You mean surplus ww2 tanks which would be scrapped instead?! Seems more like they didnt have many choices.