Experiencing an Existential Crisis as an INTJ
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Rambling about my own personal experience dealing with an existential crisis episode.
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Ni seeks meaning. The discomfort of the crisis is meant to be motivation to find it.
I understand what you're saying. I've been through this. I found it really helpful to zoom in on life and actually watch it. Watch the ants carrying food that's too big. Study how a plant grows through cracks in a wall. Watch how people shop at the supermarket.
You'll be reminded how chaotic life is in its essence. When you are able to put it in perspective instead of always stuck in the big picture, you'll see that you're doing pretty good. You've succeeded at more than most people can even dream of, and you'll continue to achieve more in time.
Every living being on this planet is struggling just to survive their environment, and most of them are ill-suited yet still survive. The bar for being alive is extremely low. We can easily help those around us to achieve more, and their success is also our success. Use our superpowers to help out every living thing we can touch, and that can ripple to things out of our reach. We have the ability to affect our environments like no other because we see the systems behind it all.
That's what I got out of it all, anyway... my meaning to be alive.
(INTJ) I've come to think of these crisis moments as an inevitable state of mind and therefore I must find a safe space to suffer through it until it passes. Sometimes you'll get something useful out of it, sometimes you won't. This is an extremely introverted state to be in so if someone did give you an answer I have to question: would I accept it? Would it even be satisfactory?
Trust your own mind to wander in a safe space. That's really all your brain wants to do. A conclusion is not required.
I’m 46, INTJ. I appreciate you taking the time to record your thoughts in the moment. I can relate to the sense of this following you around like a shadow. I’m a father of three and I can tell you that there is something to having a grand purpose, ie being a parent that does help in these moments but also gives a grounding post. I laughed at you asking your friends to tag you to prove you have a life.. similarly I used to hear I was a fun barnacle. Someone who finds a fun person and holds on yet doesn’t help create the fun.
I have chosen to reject these falsehoods whether self inflicted or from others. Our way of interacting is not less than. Our contribution is not less than. Our society just is not geared for us and therefore most others and us via media are lead to believe there must be more and that we are holding back.
Fear not Jon. Your mind and the way you engage with life is a beautiful thing. Seek those who value and appreciate you. Don’t over analyze with a non-Ni bias.
You are the first INTJ on YT that seems to capture the fullness or nearly of being an INTJ. Much love and kindness to you.
Intj-a, female, 36, mom of two, I know exactly what you’re talking about. Sometimes I think that I feel like that for all my life. I read the comments and not sure if my answer would fit the big picture but I came to conclusion that “why do I feel that I don’t do enough” is about time. It runs with the speed of light, at least we, intj’s, feel it like that. Like we’re always out of time and the amount of goals is getting more and more every year. But even if we do our best to accomplish there’s still a ‘what’s the point’ question at the end. It’s strange to say that, and I wouldn’t believe if haven’t experienced myself, the answer is love. Sounds too sentimental? Yeah, I know. I’m not talking about love we feel towards our families and friends. I’m talking about the incredible, unbelievable, almost impossible thing like unconditional romantic love. The connection which is 100% fulfilled on intellectual, emotional, physical and spiritual levels. Once you experience it literally everything would make sense, every single tiny detail would have an almost divine meaning. It’s beautiful and yet very intense. I’d say too intense. I have experienced it and it changed me to the very core. I didn’t even recognize myself. It also freaked me out, seriously. It was another intj, btw. We were shocked, happy and terrified. We broke up, though. The intensity was unbearable. And now I guess, I know what is the meaning of being alive. Yet such knowledge left me absolutely baffled. I mean the chances for intj to find someone who could flip our whole world upside down are… like zero. And here we go again with a new existential horror, knowing what’s the clue but not knowing how to achieve it because other people’s will is something even masterminds can’t have.
“an almost divine meaning” - Male INTJ-A here. I could picture this exactly as I was reading it. The most perfect description for this.
Hello! I am also an INTJ and understand this existential dilemma too. My opinions on this after thinking about why we don’t feel alive for a long time is the reason we feel “separate” from the aliveness of people is our obsession with goals and plans above living in the moment. The unfortunate reality of our Ni is that we will “never” find fulfillment due to our vision for the future creating a void that will never be filled. But… the best way I can describe my peace with this reality is that our lack of intimacy with regular people is our cause of existential dread. In the Grant Study, people discovered interpersonal relationships are the greatest source of happiness despite work ethic or wealth. I can tell from this video you are struggling with this since when you’re with your friends you ask them to take photos “to show you have a life” but you are missing that connection to them in the actual moment (and I get this pain too). What really helped me understand this is by exploring stories in the form of books and movies (truthfully I learnt most of this from a movie called “Your Name.”). And the best phrase that explains this annoyance I think is “In the business of every day life, we forget our true sense of purpose”. Regardless, I hope you do find your own peace with you existential crisis one day 😉
For sourcing my phrase / quote is from the analysis of Your Name. from “Like Stories of Old” 👍
I’m (likely) INFJ, I’ve experienced these a lot since age 14. During these events I didn’t just struggle with purpose, but was also struck by derealization. The world felt unreal and physics theories and spiritual believes just seemed to exacerbate things. I used to cling to Se activities to get a grip on reality. MBTI has helped me understand these events so much better. As mentioned by others in the comments, having a child has helped me greatly, it has given purpose and a rhythm to life. I’ve recently discarded spiritualism and have found purpose in religious practices. Biblical symbolism is wildly interesting to me. I do believe we grow emotionally stronger and reflective with age. Perhaps wishful thinking, but I am confident these existential crisis are a thing of the past for me. They are temporary and we can overcome them! The best to you dear Jon.
My take as a 33 year old fellow INTJ:
I've seen some of your videos and like your content, I feel understood and love your appreciation of "mama Te". But she seems to be at vacation now.
Maybe you or anyone other finds this helpful how I got out of a similiar crisis:
I had a crisis with the meaning of my goals in my twenties while studying at university. I not only lost confidence in becoming a doctor but lost the "why".
My very best friend (whom I refuse to type because I don't want to reduce him to 4 letters) first introduced me to sensory experiences: travel, food, concert. I did not feel the moments, just like you described.
Then he took me to help him repair his car, do the oil change, renew the brakes. What a profane thing you might think. But the feeling of accomplishment (Te) and seeing to influence the real world got me out again. My fondness for vintage cars and motorcycles was founded. More tinkering than actual driving. Since that time this is a source of energy and recreation for me.
Thank you for existence.
Without meaningful relationships it's hell after 40s, as an INTJ it's extinction level fear, hope is lost. The truth is: Life is a joke, society is a joke. I'm 42, INTJ. I have bad existential crisis going on too, I don't know anymore why I'm doing what I'm doing, I don't know anymore why I'm sleeping, eat, talk to anyone. What's the point of life? Peoples you likes don't likes you, people likes other peoples that likes other peoples that likes other peoples. You need to be lucky to find someone that likes you back and as an INTJ most of people don't get you. At this point I feel like the place where I live hates me, after 25 years I'm moving as far away from this place, I don't have anything left here. This is the kind of despair Ni dom realize at some point in their life.
That’s a hump I think we all need to get over. What comes after is liberation.
INTJ will dying off like a vegetable when they don't have grand goal. And from my personal experience, the most fulfilling state for INTJ is when you actually let yourself to set an 'impossible to achieve' goal derived from your idealism, and start to actually set motion into it by grand planning it. When you enter that state, you'll feel like in a trance, and all you can think of all day long for years is that goal and so many things to do. To the point that there simply no time to think of present and past moments.
It's funny that you said we'd be dying off because I recently just told my friend that I'd literally die if I didn't have a goal to work towards 😅
Hey! I follow you and I have been there right where you are now (I’m also an INTJ). I think I had an existential crisis a few weeks ago and it’s terrible. But know that you are not alone. You have tons of subscribers that understand what you are going through. ❤❤
I don’t know if you want suggestions or just were looking to vent, but I find when I have them, I have to sit down and identify the things that are no longer working in my life, that can be positions (overcommitting and feeling burned out or stretched thin), stuff (doing a massive clean up), or lack of working out. Usually that helps a bit and gives me a place to start.
I wholeheartedly understand what you mean, we aren’t really depressed but life just seems like it’s going by and we aren’t part of the movie, despite everything we do and have accomplished.
Hi. I think we (as humanity in general) has been indoctrinated in thinking that we "need to live a moment", and Ni-doms experience present different - thats why we cannot really live in moment, because we focus on future, even if ot is only few seconds forward. We imagine this damn hike how it will looks like (very vivdly), so when we are actually hiking we don't experience this by senses - we already hiked in our mind. I think this is one of the reason why we feel "dead" - because we already lived once in our minds.
You are very much alive Jon, just in your own, INTJ-way alive and this isn't worse in any way than Se users. Look - they have only live once, that's why they tend to feel everything in this moment. We live many times, we just cannot share it with others, thats why we are lonely in our milion lives. That's why we have crisis that follows us as shadow.
Living a million lives in our minds is a wonderful way of describing it, and I will be using that description from now on.
This is part of human experience at its core. Detached spaceman on a piece of rock. This feeling can prevent us from moving forward but it is also a beautiful reminder that we have souls. At least for me it is. You do not stand alone in this abstract solitude. Thank you for your videos!
53 year old INTJ here. Thanks for honestly sharing your thoughts and feelings. Sometimes I embrace Albert Camus' absurdism to keep myself going. From a brain evolution perspective, I've been learning a lot from the UA-cam series "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis" with John Vervaeke. There's a long a complex history of people struggling with the cognitive dissonance of existence. Best wishes on your path.
I am very happy you shared it with us. I think most of the INTJ have the same type of feelings like you, i have them for sure. Its very hard for other types to understand and i think no one can rly help.
My strategy is to accept it is happening beeing happy for who i rly am and be ready to settle once again the vision, after some years of doing it i found i will never achieve what i trully vision but i accepted it and i hope to help others with my ideas to achive a better future. Also by normalizing it i can more easily control myself and be functional in the external world, at least somewhat functional.
My go to idea to dont fall in a dark place is to think how wonderful, gorgeous and sublime is the fact i can think and feel all this unspeakable things. I hope it helps a bit, you for sure helped me and other people.
(Sorry for my English, i am not a native speaker)
you just slapped me on the face when you said it's an Ni thing that was literally my conclusion and somw how we got to live with it any way (in my opinion whenever I fell that feeling i remember i just want to die when I'm fully lived my life in the meaning of i have done everything thing that there's literally nothing in this life that i want any more i want ro die when I'm tired of all the experience i have had after doing it all then suddenly i wake up like i have some duty to finish or some thing more important than the meaning which is living it to do) I hope that helps some way I am an intj too i hope your doing well and very much alive .❤️
Still alive and taking in all of life. I hope you're doing the same as well ❤
I can relate with you Jon so hard. I just had my existential crisis since the start of the year. It kicked in due to having a relationship by being stuck in feeling-mode for too long that it indirectly upheaved a lot of my repressed trauma that I had buried for years. It still isn't easy for me to be this vulnerable, but I'll share a ramble from my end, hoping it'll be something insightful too.
To put it simply, what I went through last year definitely had something to do with leaving an organized religion, so I had spent the past months in hard denial of me not knowing what my purpose in life was outside of it. INTJs tend to question everything, so it had never been even more clear to me as to why I tend to get into existential crisis like this. Our Ni just loves to question and ruminate about things beyond physical reality. But when my crisis is intertwined with childhood abuse and being surrounded by IRL communities that doesn't know how to properly handle a guy like me that is a homo, it gets very bizarre to navigate life independently knowing I had to deconstruct a lot of false narratives and beliefs while dealing with all these suppressed emotions I was never equipped to handle. So, I had a huge Ni and Fi problem, so yeah, what I went through was also the classical INTJ loop. It's what made the crisis I had this start of the year even harder.
But getting into a relationship for the first time that is good and healthy did help me to cope a lot recently. To have someone safe to bounce my real feelings with, and being in this new Se experience that feeds my Ni for its search for answers. It's like adding reasons beyond myself to have something to fight for. Another thing that's been helping my self-discovery and holistic contemplation beyond MBTI was being interested in spirituality, but ofc this is me replacing the void that was present when I left something significant behind. My Ni has been loving and indulging in this recently.
What I've learned so far as someone who's nearing 30s is that when I get into existential crisis mode, it means there's something important for me to contemplate about. A lot of inner work was needed to be done in my end, and what I noticed in my own reality is that my crisis tends to come from deep unanswered questions that begs to be addressed, and as I keep getting answers it has to be implemented in my life somehow. This is where INTJs do best, researching and synthesizing a lot of information from various perspectives to gain new insights out of them, enjoying the benefits of being open-minded. Since our existential crisis is definitely rooted from Ni, it makes sense as to why we need to feed it with more things to contemplate, something that's new and challenging that also comes with the help of Se being sprinkled here and there, and something that helps our Ni to transcend beyond the limitations of what used to be the scope of what it wants to understand. A new project or pursuit to tinker and think about. At least my Ni has loved to get busy in this way.
Congrats on finding your person and I'm hoping the best for you ✊
When I went through these feelings and it came on strong as never before, I finally saw why so many turn to religion, and I kind of wished I could do it too. Because there is no meaning or purpose to life, we will just die and vanish too soon anyway.
It hits hard, and it can be a long struggle to get out of that state if you don't find anything to hang on to. The only thing we really can do in this life, is trying to change anything for the better in the world, even the smallest thing that might make a difference. And that could be just this, to start a UA-cam channel and make others feel connected and even understand themselves better.
And this goes for everyone, if you spread good things that make others feel better and grow, that could help change the course of humanity for the better even in the slightest way. And that's actually pretty awesome right? The butterfly effect is no joke, and we are all a part of it every day.
I think metacognition is the reason for our feelings of dissociation. And the reason we feel like we're not doing enough is because, wtf can you do about that? I was talking to my INFP girlfriend (we watched this video together, as we oft do), and she said something that sent ice buckets down my spine: 'It's scary when intuition points to the answer that there is no answer.'
True story. I feel the same sometimes brotha. Too often in fact.
But reading The Power of Now and doing volunteer work, connecting with other humans, really helps.
Religion can help too but for me, not a whole lot. Hopefully you learn to be present and the biggest lesson I learned from Power of Now is that there is no yesterday and no tomorrow.
You must be get out of your head, which is filled with labels, expectations, and fear. All things that are based on the past and future. Understand that the now, the only reality, is gone the second you finish each thought. Then you can begin to understand that No part of the now adds pressure to your life, no part of the now labels you other than how you want to feel.
Easier said than done I know. But I have faith in you.
57yo INTJ. I've been told that I think too much (to which I say, "thank you for the compliment!"), but I also can't help how I feel, which is frustrating.
We often look for in-depth meaning, but sometimes there isn't one. The question is whether this video allows you to express all of what is going on inside and that you can take it for what it is, and nothing more. The Stoic philosophy (Marcus Aurelius etc) hasn't sorted everything out for me, but it's helped give me context.
Hey Jon. It's hard to go through one of these. When I was in my twenties and early thirties every birthday I tried to summarize what I accomplished in my life. It was a gruesome experience because we tend to have incredibly high expectations of ourselves as in we might have absurdly high standards. I decided to not do it anymore and instead focus on baby steps approach and enjoy everything I can achieve, everything I can do to make my life easier or to make it better for my loved ones. Otherwise most probably I would fall into depression. Anyway long things short don't be too hard on yourself. It's not good for anyone, even for INTJs.
I completely understand where you're coming from. And what I have found is that I strive for it because I want answers the NI wants answers to everything. And I think the best thing that always works for me is to know that we cannot answer everything
Yeah, its the craziet feeling to see yourself in past pictures and think "wait, I did all of that?". I always feel like i can never fully take in a moment because i begin to think too deeply in the moment about what being in the moment should be like. Then the moment passes and im stuck feeling like there shouldve been something there, like i should've done something more. i feel ya jon
18:10 thank you for publicizing it😊
I get this as well. Ever since I watched Bambi at 5, I have been pondering the question about life and death and the meaning of life.
This is the reason why the book of Ecclesiastes brings me comfort although it seems depressing to and often ignored by most people.
Our philosophical ideology, or the nearest that there is, is rather similar. An absurdist..
For me personally, when the Ni reality and the external reality is not only dissonant but antithetical, I.... will experience turbulence existential crisis..
It's... Hard to stand through the "this is a phase" overwhelming crushing waves.
Still. That's the best thing I can say.
Thank you Jon, it must have been very hard recording this and post it on UA-cam.
I often have the exact same thoughts as you, creepily accurate! I always had some existential crisis since I was a child. Now at 34 I am sure that it will always be there. It is a part of who I am. Sometimes it is just a short nihilistic thought, sometimes it can follow me for weeks, making me question everything („why are we alive anyway?“). I had to learn when to keep my dark thoughts to myself and when to talk about it with someone (some people told me that I ruined their mood).
I enjoy those moments which are all about sensory pleasures, I really do, but it is not closing the void in my head/soul/thoughts(?). Instead there is this craving to DO something. But what is this „something“? I tried so many things. I have a great partner, a well-paid job, nice flat, a pet, great friends … but no accomplishment was enough to give me that feeling of „I finally made it! Now I can be … content?“ Here comes the guilt and shame: „What’s wrong with me?“
Although the 'sensory world' is not our favorite I think that we Ni-Doms should try to integrate our last function as much as possible. Try to be present with our 5 senses. Just trying to get one mini-step out of the head, not with the expectations to act like a Se-Dom. In my experience it is calming the thoughts a little bit. Going outside and try to shoot some nice photos helps me a lot, watching the world around me consciously. And getting a doggo helped me so much more than anything. It forces my wandering mind back to the present moment whenever we play or walk/hike.
Sorry for the long post, greetings from Germany :)
37 INTJ, I hear you but there is no "cure". The "decease" is that we are INTJ, which gives us superpowers but every now and then we have nasty side effects. The way that I experience the existential crisis is like what pilots and astronauts call "gimbal lock", which is that moment when you are sprinting so fast that your inertial instruments cannot keep up and you loose all sense of what is up and what is down and you just, in the wind sort of speak. I know that I have no reference point and I'm like..this is it? WTF happen? is it worth it to regain control? you question EVERYTHING. I hope you are better now brother
I like the comparison of 'Gimbal Lock' 🙏
17:12 Ne is in my secong slot and- i got ya..... you showed me the side of an INTJ i never expected to exists.... personally its not easy for me too randomly express my opinions- my deepest thoughts., therefore i fu***** admire it that you are letting out your vulnerable side being an INTJ... i don't know but i can imagine
I very much get this man. I am an INTJ, and I have several different things which keep me grounded and serve as my "purpose" for living. If all those things were taken away from me and my Ni has nothing to latch onto, I will begin to feel very weird. I lose that certainty for what I want to do day to day and what keeps me happy. This is when I start to have weird existential thoughts too.
Funnily enough this happened to me very recently when I got my dream job. I was over the moon of course, but I also lost the thing that I was so driven to work towards for many years, so it actually came off slightly bitter sweet. I am in the process now of just learning to enjoy my time working (Se). It's been just over a month and I think I am starting to get the hang of it :)
51 INFJ. I can relate. It helps me to work out.
I read Renaud Contini’s book: the ecstatic soul. He says that the solution for existential alienation is Fe. Talking to others to make sense of your Ni.
To switch from the mode of alienation-haziness-anxiety-disembodiment to world reaching-clarity-vocation-embodiment. I thought it was an interesting read.
(26yo intj) this state of mind is so fucking annoying. it is so hard to explain to other people who dont experience it. as you said, its not depression or sadness, but thats all they can see it as. i feel like i havent done anything in life and am just wasting my time here. i hate the absurdity of life, it feels like theres nothing to live for.
thank you for this video because it makes me feel less crazy knowing theres other people experiencing this.
Firstly Jon, I appreciate your being open and vulnerable with us. As an INTJ, I know this is difficult to do by ourselves let alone in front of others.
A few observations and things that I have and would like to respectfully share as it sounds like this video is a question of purpose.
1. You start off with the meaty question of what does it mean to be alive? Which sounds like a question of purpose. I like that you start off answering it by grounding yourself in rational/ logic and the things you know and what it means. I know it’s what we (INTJ’s) do in order to make sense of things (T and J). But do you think it should be answered from a ‘feeling’ side of it also in terms of, why do you feel like we are here? And if it’s not a feeling answer and just a rational answer, then why do we have feelings? Rather than just mindlessly procreate like a virus/ plant etc. to be human is not just a thinking process but a feeling one also and I think we can’t separate feelings into this question.
2. The many questions you have of things/ life making sense and you wondering when will you feel like you have done enough?, sounds like you are lost respectfully. Given the sea of endless choices that you ask yourself.
I have felt the same in that I don’t feel like I am living but I think it’s mainly a question of my purpose. I figure, once I have my purpose then the question of why I’m here will make sense to me. I’ll be a captain heading towards my destination again
Sidepoints:
I think regardless of what INTJ’s accomplish, nothing is never good enough. Everything can be improved or me more efficient. I think it’s just in our nature.
I feel like I can a see everything also, the variables. But sometimes as you say, we live in our heads too much and neglect the sensory. Grounding ourselves helps like it would have done on your walk although you weren’t grounded as you were in your own thoughts. I find walking with others snaps me back into my body instead of being in space.
I have also been told by numerous relationships that things don’t always have to make sense, I struggle with this concept but I know it’s just I like order/ structure. I find grounding helps with this concept also.
I wrote the above and actually don’t feel too bad given others also wrote essays. Clearly a sign that we appreciate you Jon, that you have touched us and that we are a community.
Thank you 🙏
Yep, my existential crisis first started in middle school. While others may be satisfied to just live life, we are cursed with forever asking WHY???
Why is a human alive? And why are we alive? Both sound similar but they are different. The first one is the scientific question while the second is about your value.
Stay true to your value. 💪
Jon. I have a term to it. I call it superconciousnesss . Supermindfulness.
This kind of power can be applied in buddhism.
There are some points in life where no one can give us answers, only ourselves. But maybe in the process we come up with a completely unique conception of what it means to be human, and we can share this new meaning with others.
Literally me. Right now.
I Skip CLG for one week now.
Every day I get ready to go to college but I can't take a step outside.
(All negative surround me at that time). Now I'm writing depressed and dark quote's, not knowing what i should do in life.
Example,(today's work )
“good and evil both are determined by the majority of people who label them"
“we are not special we are the same people from the past and future"
“life is too complicated to solve, but simple to live" 😂
It's like as an intj i know answer to every question, but also lack to apply it. I know i should go out talk to people / friend(only one entp)😅.
But i Can't. I wasted a whole week searching for something that I don't what it is?.
This happen's every now and then I don't now what to do.
In addition,
Question for you
What intj seek? 🤔
I don't know what I want. It's not happiness though as it's a temporary pleasure that won't last.
as intj i totally understand what u mean , ive been experiencing this since young , like really young (age12) , the only answer i have for it is to let urself distribute the parts of ur life that falls into the meaningless category ,and make sure ur environment is clean or go for workout (its hard to do at this period but it helps)(just a bit tho)
the problem is always just the feeling of everything being meaningless while everyone claims that it has some meaning on it ,sometimes its just fi falling apart , things that u once believe start corrupting ,or just the constant doubt of whats the meaning of achieving ur goals when u feel that theres no meaning left.
that all i know about it.hope u can figure it out , life is hard ,so be true to urself, accept the bad side of it and try to move on maybe.(dk why im sayin this but hope it helps)
INTJ. 34. Yep. To me it's an idea I'll never reach. I'm going through this exact thing right now. Your channel has spoken to me and has helped me in ways I can't explain. Also, my name is Jon too. Lol
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for sharing this.
Your words moved something in me that I can't yet grasp, but I want to believe that in time it will make sense. I had been trying to rationalize my way out of the void (even though I have the life I had pictured for me). Your words pushed the tears button, in a good way.
I hate the "gratitude for your pain because it helped me with mine" and I hope that's not how my comment is read: it's more of a "thank you for being willing to share". Anyway. Thank you, Jon.
Hey Jon, as an INTJ (29) I can completely relate to what you're going through. I believe NI & FI (as structured in INTJS) are always looking for a peak behind the curtain of life. There has to be a purpose to life and INTJs are predisposed to not be fully distracted by surface level the interactions of life (friends, family, money, wealth, material gains, career, etc.) These things just aren't enough to saturate the INTJ needs. Every once in a while we get stuck seeking a greater purpose. NI & FI need a greater purpose. FI needs a Moral Law, meaning it needs there to be object truth (True Right and Wrong) on which to build its judgments; NI needs true progress. If there isn't objective right and wrong there can't be true progress.... meaning we have to be progressing towards a true end. If there isn't objective truth what are we really doing existing/striving? I know religion is now a dirty word in the modern world, however after experiencing a series of synchronicities in my life that I can't fully reconcile even with NI I believe in object truth. In my mind it's easier to exit the endless mental loops (e.g. how did everything come from nothing?, If life has no purpose why should I be expecting to?, why does the universe obey laws (physics, math)?) by accepting that there is something greater than me (my creator) that I can't fully reconcile/understand I can exit these loops and make true progress by seeking what's beyond. I'm a Christian (no specific denomination) and the works of C.S. Lewis really helped me understand the Why? feeling INTJs get. If you would like to hear more I would be happy to talk with you. Also I really appreciate your videos. After the last comment I made 11 months ago on "How Ni Effects The Daily Life of an INTJ & INFJ" about INTJ's being under appreciated/taken advantage of in the workplace I started my own business and its growing. It's been hard but now I follow my own path.
Congrats on starting your own business, I hope the best for you ✊
Huge existential ramble incoming 🤪
As an INTP (currently 26), I do relate very similarly with the dilemma wanting to understand what it truly means to be alive. I probably best describe it as being a dead man walking or not having reached the fruition of living if I'm being metaphorical. And this doesn't necessarily always happen when I'm not in the state of neuroticism and depression (fortunately, I'm not in those states/phases rn). Even in my calm, regular moods, I still have a this detached feeling.
Although I approach it via Ti+Ne. Being a Ti-dom and having inferior Fe, it often feels like being in a state of detachment and being a detached observer. It's paradoxical because even tho I certainly do have sensory moments that I do cherish with myself & others via Si, I seldom feel like I'm truly present in those moments in its purest sense and part of me will still have that detached logical nature running in my head (some cognitive dissonance involved perhaps) and pondering the random abstract. Would definitely consider this being blind-Se.
Delving deep into it regarding my axioms and presupposition, I do have a theologian background but I do consider myself to be very philosophical and inquisitive first and foremost, I rationalise the meaning and value of our existence differently.
Kinda along the Absurdist lens, I do believe that our lives do indeed have value. Using my perception of mathematics, binary numbers in particular. Nothing/Null Value = 0 & Something/Value = 1. Which is what I truly believe exists going by what I deem to be logic in its purest form. Regardless whatever symbols and language you use to express these values. They are the only truths and propositions I believe to exist. Thus, I apply this to the nature of our existence with it having value. Naturally, following this train of logic, I contemplate the why from an existentialist standpoint. Having a theologian background and being on the agnostic-theist spectrum, I don't have many qualms believing in the idea of God. Ofc, the nature of God is certainly up for debate if we were to concede that God truly exists. So I could justify it with a theologian proposition. Ofc, I do understand from a physiological and psychological standpoint, our brains (particularly our limbic system: amygdala and such) are wired to keep on living for survival reasons. But as a Ti-dom, I do believe everything happens for a reason and question why humans were designed this way whether it's through God or the nature of causality of the universe. If there is no inherent meaning to it, then it wouldn't make sense to be designed this way. Seems paradoxical. But I suppose none of us will truly ever understand the truth of it all.
As a result of this detached feeling of not understanding what it means truly means to be alive, I'm sure a part of me desires to become a stream of consciousness, transcending the concepts of time and space to truly become a detached observer. But I would have to give up my human emotions entirely for it or otherwise, I will inevitably feel the FOMO as a result of my lingering human emotions.
I wonder if I'll truly find my answers of understanding what it actually means to be alive (and other existentialist questions I have that I didn't exactly cover in this comment) close to when I have reached my predetermined death.
the trigger for me is being alone for a little bit too long in my head and being isolated. what are the answers to why are we here, what is our purpose? why or what are things the way they are? are they even real, am i real? heck, why cant i feel my limbs... kind of thing.
when it starts, i go to prayer. To Jesus and remember the words, "You were created for Me. To love and be loved by Me. As an expression of My Love, a reflection/mirror of myself.Little Soul, you were made in My Image and Likeness. You (Jon) are mine."
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Honestly, I feel the same way and find myself at divorce #3 pending and hitting middle age 37. But I started getting out of it by setting goals. Setting small goals that really matter to me and trying not to get stuck in the mental chatter aka monkey mind. So often our minds pull us into the anxiety of the future and fears and what ifs or the past and regrets guilts and pains. Just live in the moment as much as possibly. Which is terribly hard but that’s a time consuming job. What’s really helped me is shutting off the fears and anxiety’s of my wasted time and my what is the point of the future and getting into even if it’s pointless what I enjoy and planning around that. Easier with age and lots of failure.
I am an INTJ female and I get these all the times. Have one right now as a matter of fact. Like I just keep thinking- what is the point of it all, really? Of anything I do? Of life/existence? And yes, the goal posts will keep moving. Nothing is ever enough.
It feels like being zoomed out and looking from the outside. The same inevitable patterns over and over. Is it all just futility?
And then I just decide to keep on living anyway. Because even if it is, what else is there that you can do but make the most of it?
I relate to this so much. I understand deeply how you feel going through this but I dont have any good or solid advice to help you. That is other than to let you know I support you and your not alone. I do believe your right though about how or why it happens.
I can relate it too as Intj myself, and I wish you to feel well.
but in my religion (jewdaism) there are several suggestions.
First, I accept that this is how I was created. And although its hard sometimes its also a gift, because I got an amazing depth.
Second, our goal in life shouldn't be ourselves. There is no happines in individualism. One can be happy only if he create or give something to others and is a part of the society.
Rabbi soloveichik wrote an amazing book called "the lonely faith man" (bad translation from hebrew)
He is talking about two types of people in this world-
Person A is a shallow, loving money and metirial, have shallow connections with people and his world is here in nature.
But person B is always in tension. He is deep, and has a several deep connections. He is suffering due to his depth.
I think that as long as we accept our depth, lerning to live with it, and happy on our relationships in life, we can be close to happy.
Life is not about fulfilling our own happiness, its about being a part of something big and helping others , asking every day "who needs me? " Is the recipe to live great life.
Space is an interesting choice for this video. It's largely unknown. Reminds me of INTJ's Fi, which is unique to the individual, often unexplored and sometimes not all feelings are nice to feel at all. Your Fi is giving you information that you are struggling to process. To be honest, I don't understand what is happening, but I hope you become stronger. Perhaps you have an INFJ in your life, that you trust, that can help you?
All the religious comments 🤦🏻♀️
Jon, I’m sorry you’re going through such a rough phase right now.. sometimes I feel something similar that can last for weeks, sometimes just days.. I’m an atheist since I was 14, so a search for meaning is something I have done for quite some time now.
I hope you can find ways to get better about yourself and your life in general.
I guess the keyword is meaning.
We use to put so much pressure on ourselves that nothing we do will ever be good enough, but that’s not true, absolutely saying!
Just a last thing, every thing you say resonates so much with neurodivergence, just a feeling
Hi Jon, as an intj, I've always struggled w my mind going deep into the void of thinking... so far in that it almost becomes a dissociative state. I've dedicated my life to understanding how the mind works and am a mental health doctor who is writing a psych theory on the functions of perception of the mind, emotions, etc. If you ever want a friend to talk to, for fun/exploratory purposes, about these things, lmk. I'm very passionate about the internal workings of the human mind.
Mine gets solved by getting entranced by the spiritual part of life(aka religious life), it gives you a broader perspective to life and what it means to be a creation and duties that befall when you are one. All these thoughts regurgitated from time to time help me get out of the crisis. It is really an inexplicable feeling ,dunno how to explain it. Btw i am a muslim.
For me it, especially the feeling of inadequacy, comes most for my family and climate change. What helps often is really taking time with that, taking a walk in nature or being with my family. But I'm not really part of it. It's 2 parts. One is appreciation from like a third person perspective and then the second part is some kind of acceptance or grieving process thing for the past, present and future at the same time. It doesn't really end with some kind of conclusion but I feel a lot lighter afterwards.
Maybe it's some kind of spring cleaning thing for our ideas and plans 😅 Looking back I do start most new things after session's like that. So it might also be an adjustment of plans and strategies subconsciously. Maybe a bit like cleaning and reorganizing Ni so it can do it's thing better but we attach feelings to our ideas and plans so the mental load of changing them or throwing them away is big
🙃 man oh man.. do I resonate with what you’re describing. Believe it or not there is a skill where you can feel your emotions without the mind needing to find ‘containers’ or words to define what you’re experiencing.. at least I’m the moment. Not sure if I am explaining that well.. but it’s taken me a lot of time and fails to start using that skill when I have these uncomfortable moments.. and like you said it’s not a hopelessness or melancholy feeling.. but a curiosity that isn’t seemingly going to be answered anytime soon 😅..and with a processor that likes to KNOW things.. being in moments where you don’t know blows. Anywho.. maybe you don’t feel that way! I can get into the woo woo, but feel like it may be moot because you seem to rooted in your beliefs and understandings of reality :D :: hug :: either way hoping that you can ride through this wave or storm or whatever metaphor that floats your boat and you get the relief you’re ready for..and these experiences no matter how big they can get don’t stop you from moving from a heart space and remembering there are always new skills and understanding to be learned!
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(INTJ) the one thing that 100% helped me to overcome existential crises is (fellow INTJ) Friedrich Nietzsche' philosophy🥰 about the Overman. He himself had several crises, but from those he successfully forged the ultimate philosophy that can overcome any challenge.
We are INTJs, so our lives are the most boring by default😅, but Nietzsche figured out how we can live the most passionately!!!🤩
About Radical Love:
Unsolicited advice - Nietzsche's radical guide to a joyful life (Amor Fati explained)
Living Whole-Heartedly:
Wisdom Warriors - Why Self-Improvement is Masturbation - Nietzsche's philosophy of Downgoing
Nietzsche's Übermensch (Overman):
Unsolicited advice - Nietzsche's most misunderstood idea - The Übermensch
Check out the videos above, and I guarantee you will see "Not Living Life" differently!😃
Unsolicited advice guy is intj?
@@aiuchiha111 I don't know. The Wisdom Warriors guy is 100% ENTP (confirmed), and I suppose that the Unsolicited advice guy might also be ENTP
I recall he perished in an asylum out of insanity.
@@samueltomjoseph4775 Yes that's true. He had been suffering from various health issues had a mental breakdown and died 11 years later. Researchers think that Nietzsche’s mental illness was most likely due to some unknown disease, possibly a hereditary stroke disorder.
Knowing how miserable his life was, it's truly remarkable how he forged such a life-affirming philosophy
INTJ 6w5 here, and I'm now currently experiencing this.
I don't know if this helps but I thought about the movie Soul when they were looking for the "spark." It sounds like that or at least reminded me of it. The other thing it makes me think of is Owlman. The James Woods version of reverse Batman? Where all decisions made an opposite decision dimension and therefore he felt no true decision was ever made. Making everything pointless for him.
Why do you want to "get" it? You are staring at the abyss and as Nietzsche said, be careful when you do. There is no "why" but we want there to be one. Granted, I have never shaken of Nihilism and that has affected me from my relationships to my lack of ambition. However, I am trying to create a life that gives me more meaning and joy. There's a reason why I love Camus' absurdism philosophy. I'm like you, I feel like an alien, like I don't have a life or am doing enough. In the end, you just have to let go. Let go and just live. How do you do that? You have your whole life to figure it out just like I'm trying to. That's all we can do. Try and imagine what it would be like to be content and happy.
We never are fully in the present, always thinking forward, what could be better, what could go wrong, or always trying to find patterns that make sense of the world and shape them in something satisfying, and it's really annoying when it doesn't collaborate...
When you feel unanchored like that, and it's something we all are very familiar with, you have to look for something concrete, engage with the world as you said, but with something that won't let your mind wander too much (except if that's what you need). I set up grunt work at te end of which I'll have done something (not a probable epic Se fail, it ins't time for more problems but for positive results), or I plan to see friends (not the kind you only just half listen to, the kind you'll smile with), I find it helps quiet the mind - who will background work anyway, but in a more constructive way.
Not sure anything makes sense anyway, which is something that is hard to accept. But you can switch your quest, embrace the questions and the many roads they'll open, let go of finding one specific overarching meaning at the end of it. It's the travel. And if i isn't, we may know later, once we cross over, so it's a waste to let it bother us now. I liked collecting titillating crazy ideas in scifi or anticipation, for example (Why the hell would it make less sense than, say, organized religion ? Hum, that's another topic). It feels more stimulating and less senseless to examine all the peripherical angles, than to contemplate right into the neverending void you perceive, see what I mean?
This existential crisis happens when I try to do Se (like going out whole day with my mom) idk I feel like this living in the moment thing and buying physical stuff doesn’t feel right to me, feels weird and doesn’t satisfy me in the long term. When going out, I would think about things all the time and my brain won’t shut off-
Do you have thoughts on an INTJ who is struggle to find the path forward in life? My friend is in a hyper-exploring phase where he's jumping from one thing to the next hoping that it's the answer to his frustrations. Grass is always greener situation from my outside perspective. I don't believe he's happy, I think he feels like he's failing to achieve his goals in many areas of life and drastically searching for 'the fix'. But in doing so I think he's severed connections and opportunities that I assume he regrets. I dont know for sure, I dont think he would tell me if he was feeling that.
Give him space, INTJs need to figure that stuff ourselves. The best thing you can do is welcome him back when he's ready to reconnect 🙂
@@justcallmejon22 that makes sense thanks
﴿أَفَحَسِبتُم أَنَّما خَلَقناكُم عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُم إِلَينا لا تُرجَعونَ﴾ [المؤمنون: ١١٥]
Not knowing our real purpose in life will always lead u to this same spot. You have nourished your body but you have not done the same for your soul. No matter how hard you try to escape that fact and numb yourself from the thought it will surface again against your well.
47 Male INTJ. Been there and understand your question. One thing that has helped me is learning to enjoy nature from a young age. Being able to sit in nature and “let the quiet in”.
If I go into deep thought after going to bed and not able to go to sleep after an hour, I get up and go watch something or play another half hour of video games and try again. Distract my mind to suppress those thoughts till tomorrow.
I also feel that your ex-crisis comes from a change in your beliefs. You think there is more to life than your current beliefs. Just a thought.
I’ve talked with a woman for a few years now, and she always comments on the fact that I say I don’t know when it comes to things. I find that it’s something we as INTJ do and say when we genuinely don’t know. If we don’t know, we don’t know and aren’t afraid to say so. 😂 I notice that you say it as well.
I listen to someone reading classical literature. A few stories that I keep coming back to over and over. That way I don't have to care if I follow along and miss something. I've listened to the story 25 times already. I know it. So I am able to fall asleep to it and distract my mind from once again exploring who I am and why TF I am here and why really, none of it makes any sense.
Update: Ni and Se conflict to me means thinking of many other worlds while living in the world that every S dominat user considers the real world. Using Ni means looking at the Se world as one of many. This naturally leads to a certain detachment with what is happening around you.
I(NTJ) understand you.
I've noticed this myself for many problems, where you keep saying to yourself "this does not make sense, it's not supposed to be like this", Ni gets stuck in a loop whenever it encounters things that don't logically calculate out, or things where there simply is not enough data to calculate out, and also are threatening to the individuals existence, one of the biggest "things that don't logically calculate out" is existence itself, there is no end point or goal for Ni to figure out, and consequentially, you will periodically get punched in the face by the reality that the end goals you are working towards are going to be destroyed and meaningless at some point, and there is no amount of anything you can do to actually reconcile the feeling of needing to build and create something to be destroyed, this also extends to the fact that it is physically impossible to really know and experience life from every perspective and every point of view, which is another bias of Ni, where it seeks to have multiple perspectives to calculate the end goal and end state, understanding this is one solution, meditation, and grounding yourself in the moment is another one, for me personally, connecting with other highly conscious people gives me some meaning and makes the emptiness feel less bad, because at least we can face that emptiness together
Btw. One thing i think i do disagree with is that you said there wasn't any outside stimuli, but you also said you had a great day. In fact, alot of the times i have been sad as an ENTP, and boy do my emotions not come easy, is when i was extremely joyful. Last time for example was returning back from brazil from family and carnaval. It wasn't happines. It was losing happiness, or the fear of losing happiness. I don't remember any other example of the top of my head, but i know remember that in that moment i felt like that multiple times. Now im back to intp mode.
Maybe i am completely wrong btw. Like 180 degree wrong. Forgot that you have Fi and that everything works in reverse for that but that doesn't mean it is less interesting what i just said. Try to make sense of it with your ni connecting the dots, now that i propose it isn't necessarily true
Have you ever read the Quran?
If not, give it a try....
just for the sake of trying....
you're very honest and humble, I'm sure you'll find something....
maybe someone's there and just honestly ask him to guide you....
just in case....
Mama is exhausted, mama is out. Do you think our Ni moves so fast and far sometimes that Te is not able to catch up yet?
Lol Have you heard an old song by Michael W Smith "place in this world"? It explains a lot about our existential crisis
"Facts don't cease to exist because they are ignored"
Human beings are meant to have purpose. (I respect your believe but this is my take on the issue)
You can be very successful person but if you belief your purpose is to benefit your community you will use the same resources and opportunities and success you have with different intentions than living to be a successful individual. The charitable person who cares about the community and the humanity is way better than a successful person in individualistic way because having purpose and bigger cause brings the best in us.
Having faith and purpose in life doesn't mean you will be a different being (and you think you are successful and don't want to live differently so LOSE this success) but it changes your perspective and intentions. It makes you a better version of yourself.
Ignoring the fact that we meant to have purpose is like ignoring that we need healthy food for functioning.
Of course some live a long lives consuming junk food thinking that healthy eaters are stupid and missing out but just look at the difference in the quality of each side life.
I think activating my Te more gets me out of this loop but its temporary, there is no real solution only distractions from it and coping.
{ أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ }
[ سورة المؤمنون : 115 ] ( English - Sahih International )
Then did you think that We created you uselessly and that to Us you would not be returned?"
This comment trigger many people but I don't care I can't help watch or just listen to someone who needs answer something that I know that can help someone.
I am an Intj female who believes in JESUS why because I saw how I got delivered from the very same thing Jon is experiencing.
I am su***dal since 12 am depressed because of my trauma I was SAed. I hate my life I don't want to live anymore but I thank God that He saw my misery and brought people in life who can help me live life again.
Whether you consider this it's up to you at least I share it with you.
Praying for you Jon
You are in luck, this INTJ has the explanation for you. Human life is predicated upon pursuing non-rational inclinations that benefit our selection by nature and for which we are rewarded with happiness. By knowing how things actually are, and realising there is no point to anything, we are deviating from this path and sabotaging our happiness (but our clarity is a tool that benefits society). The solution is to foster cognitive dissonance (which comes naturally to non NI-doms). Enjoy what you happen to enjoy that day, acknowledging, but ignoring that it's pointless and unproductive. It's a never ending battle, still, and we'll never feel like we've done enough, but we can enjoy the moments in between. In my experience the things that bring me that primal happiness are simple things like making fire or spring cleaning or wall painting. Also, submitting myself to some amount of physical suffering each day improves my life massively, whether it's going to the gym or crawling around in the bow with an angle grinder. Basically, embracing SE. It makes the body and primitive mind feel like you've achieved something, even if your logical mind disagrees.
Get into Buddhism or any other religion that doesnt evolve around a God (considering you dont want to believe in anything but science). Buddhist dont even believe in a soul, but they still provide you with meaning of life and teach you the way to enlightenment.
I'll be 67 in a few weeks. I understand exactly what you are talking about. And it was extremely helpful for me to listen to you process it in the moment. This is long. Very sorry about that. I blame you. 😬
Let me start by saying that that astronaut's butt is way too obvious. A real spacesuit would not be form fitting. This isn't a catwalk, buddy! Get some real protection on !!! I'm worried about you!
As a preamble, I want to state that Nothing I am going to say is to try to get you to have a more religious outlook. Let me start with that. I pretty much don't believe in religion. And the fact that you don't seem to have faith is part of what has helped me process what you have said and integrate it into my own experience, and make sense out of some things. This experience feels like it is just hardwired into INTJ.
I'm a christian with a very strong faith in God. I've never not believed in God. Even in my darkest moments and the times where I was desperate, I believed He was there. HOWEVER - I regularly experience the same thing you are talking about. Over and over. I do have triggers that set me off, but sometimes I can be in the middle of a good day and just think WHY!? WHY TF ARE WE HERE? What is the point of all of this?
I've got a great life. I know I am very, very lucky. I'd even say blessed but I don't like that kind of language and it implies that God is doing something special for me that He isn't for someone else which I don't believe. But I've struggled with sleep problems since college. As I look back, I see now that a lot of it was being an INTJ. I didn't understand what that meant but I did know that I was a difficult person, both for myself and others.
It may be a tautology to say that being unable to sleep can bring this kind of episode on, but I do know that sometimes it still happens even when I can fall asleep. I still wake up in the middle of the night and think 'I believe in reason. And there has to be a reason for all this. I'd appreciate some insight into what that is, but I do have to say that I question at times whether there really IS a reason. And I don't like that.'
I'm very different from you. I am a woman; I'm old; I'm married to another INTJ, we have lots of grown kids; those kids have lots of growing little kids; I have friends; I have faith; I have a purpose that I am very aware of that should stave off these kinds of thoughts.
But none of that matters, does it? We were made to question. It is who we are. It is (I believe) how God made us and that isn't always going to be helpful to us. It is frequently helpful to others though, who don't have these moments of intense awareness and crisis. I've been put in many situations in my life where there was a clear path of purpose and the work ahead could ONLY be done by me. I believe, in those moments, that God made me for that work. And in those situations (which I won't belabor here) I knew that only an unpleasant, non-emotional, hardheaded person like me could do the work. And I did it. Everyone was relieved that I was there to do it. Except me.
You don't seem to be the kind of unpleasant INTJ that I feel I am. But your description of your experience is so close to mine when I have those moments. I think your point about not being able to be in the moment makes a TON of sense. I'm also a musician and I have had a few moments where I was 'in the zone'. I and the music were one-a single thing. It was transcendent. In those moments I understood what life was like for other people who are more able to live that way, to live in the moment, to embrace what is happening in the now. I've had visions. I also remember waking one morning, one morning in all of my entire life, where I felt good and I could finally understand how most other people feel about waking up to a new day. I've had many other experiences that enable me to understand how other people feel and live. I don't feel that way and I can't live that way. I tend to have a baseline of "wtf is this about and why do I have to do another day".
"We don't understand what is going on but we understand everything else around it....." MAN....that is so clarifying.
Sensing is so difficult for me. Even my husband is more sensing dominant than I am. I can never shut off the internal dialogue unless I am deeply, deeply into a project, or unconscious.
And at the end of the day, I still don't understand the point of it all. The great questions of who am I and why am I here are questions that I take very seriously, but questions that I never really feel are answered for me. In spite of my faith, it is still a mystery for me.
So I go on from day to day, trying to do the things before me, trying to help others, trying to be a better person than I know I really am inside. I don't know that there really is an answer this side of life. I do think there is an ultimate answer but whatever it is, it will surprise us. I have no choice but to wait for that.
Thank you for making this video. It is another piece of a puzzle that I am always trying to frame up.
P.S. You are so very lucky to have a mom who loves you and whom you love.
Introverted sensing makes sense of experiences in the material world, but it is your demon function. As an Ni dom you use Si the least. Se experiences make sense to you if they are new and exciting for your Ni. ... Of course it is not Ni-Fi-loop, it is a strong perception of sole Ni.
welcome to the void
Good morning friend. Yeah I`ve been there a thousand times, no cure for it but exercise / getting in shape and meditating with a focus on the body rather than the mind helped me fall asleep much more easily. Diet too but that is a whole other can of worms. I also would not want this to go away, just make it manageable, as I consider this to be my drive to realize my Ni-dom-ness. I may be a speck of stardust drifting trough the entropy of near-eternity, but I got stuff to do and shine the light on that 99,99999999999% of the matter of the cosmos just can`t do. The idea has become an institution (Ni -> Si), it is time to move on. In short, we are made for crazy and can`t rest until we go there.. break the paradigms and come up with the new. Just my thoughts over the morning coffee here in the lab, take care. 👍
Maybe unconsciousness background is trying to calibrate nihilism, objectivism, and absurdism. To much paradox system in philosophy. Carl Jung said every humans will experience dark night of the soul.
I don't know if it got well for you or ever will..... but i am still leaving this comment for some reason like others of mine..... life is your clay and you have to mould it, spirituality might show a way but i don't think that will satisfy you and sadly nothing will
Thank you 🙏
@justcallmejon22 ❤❤ idk what it might actually feel like for you but for me life has always been surreal- unreal so I thought I got your "it does not make sense"😊😊 no need to thank me I didn't even gave away anything valuable
I strongly suggest that you try delving into spirituality (not religion) to understand what is haunting you. I am an ENTJ, and I do not believe any answers that we’re seeking are here on earth, in our human form.
Your existential crisis is simply due to your reckoning with your reality, your expectations, dreams, goals and the veil of illusion falling. Add that into an ever changing world, that is constantly evolving and morphing, along with lack of agency over our own growth, it’s a process you must learn to accept.
I think our purpose on earth is to learn lessons, in 3D and the physical world, but that’s it. You are overcomplicating an existence that is meant to be senseless. People have a hard time around this concept.
“It has to have meaning”. Nah nah. It doesn’t. Accept it. That should liberate you, not demoralize you.
Best of luck.
Why learn lessons? Gonna be of no use when you're dead.
It's your perception as Te, for us Ni dom, everything really has meaning, and there is really, we need meaning or to create it.
I agree spirituality help a lot the N dom, and that we have lessons to learn and karma to clear in the 3D, we all have a role.
People may tell us since we are children : "You overcomplicating". We don't, it's just how we function, our natural functioning.
People have hard time to accept, Ni dom we function truly differently.
Certain of us, we have found the why of the existence, by connecting the dots. It makes sense & have meaning.
@@samueltomjoseph4775 Because we don’t know what’s on the other side and it is the only remote answer as to why we’re here. I don’t disagree with the supernova thesis, but I also find it hard to believe that something so complex, was created, with humans as sentient beings. Hard to leave it to case. I could also be wrong, and that’s fine too. Nobody really knows.
@@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes You can run with whatever narrative best satisfies your psyche, and I know that that’s how Ni works. Im just not sure that those questions will ever be answered. It’s bizarre to me to seek answers, and then say “no, it’s not that” when in reality, no one can say for sure. Including you. You can stay in eternal agony, or live life the way you best see fit. If life to you means persistent mental anguish, that is fine, and it’s a path that you and you alone will have to walk on your own. As you said, everyone has a role on this earth, and we all have to play our own. We’re not meant to have the answers, this is not how the game of earth works. We’re limited for a reason.
Best of luck.
@@johnnynezha2634 I could agree with all the conclusions on the afterlife. what I was after is the grand scheme of things. I'm afraid learning lessons is an overall waste (unless there's an afterlife).
Still those who give life some purpose, can live it. The greater the purpose, the greater the motivation.
I'm not going to lecture you or anything like that, I hate people that give unsolicited advice, my general feeling that I get from this video and maybe I'm projecting because of what I'm feeling right now, but I feel that it's a case of just being unhappy or disappointed with the progress of this world, to feel that people could be doing way better but it feels like no one really wants to strive for it, that too much is backwards. Currently I feel the only way I could be happy with where the world is at is if I received a lot of blunt force trauma to the head, I'm tired of looking at so many things and feeling we could have solved this like 20 years ago, and you share your thoughts about how things could be better and they seem to look at you as if you're mentally ill for not liking what's currently available, and everyone always says it is what it is instead of wanting to strive for real change.. just my two cents and I'm leaving it at that, I hope you find the courage to continue and ride through this terrible feeling I'm sure many INTJ's have been through a lot. You have helped me when I've been struggling, you've helped voice what I had trouble expressing, for that I'm eternally grateful. No matter what happens, I thank you for being you and I hope you get through!
13:14 you don't because (my humble opinion obviously) there is no definite way to define life. I am not an Ni user but i can see where you are coming from. Life is surrel and some people carelessly tag it as purposely.. meaning less but for us Intuitives it’s devastating to believe that...
Too much Te and Fi, too few Ni and Se, thinking that everything is meaningless is something that's kinda goes against our nature. That kind of thinking may work for Te doms, but to Ni doms the need to search a higher meaning or just a meaning deeply means everything, why? because we perceive there's something, some meaning behind everything we see whether that's spiritual, psychological, philosophical or whatever, simple as that.
Life is unsatisfactory. That is called dukkha in Buddhism. There is no goal in this world, that would make you indefinitetly satisfied. Once you accept it, you will be fine. If you believe in rebirth like buddhist you would use this life to break that cycle. As an Ni-user I think of my Ni- perceptions as past life memories. By the way I was born in a communist country 😅. I have been at your crisis point many times in my life. I am very confident to argue that life is meaningless. Without any drugs I don't even mind.
Since I ve started watching your videos. I think about inviting you to Islam but don't know how to do so without coming as a creep 😭😭
Just find any video of Omar Suleiman or dr Jeffrey Lang lecture about his journey to Islam.
Islam is so simple and straightforward. The origin of the word means (peace) cause it frees us from the burden of worldy life by submitting to the all knowing loving caring creator (as an INTJ I ✨HATE✨ even the word submittion but not in this case). It puts everything in its place we don't abandon life nor lose ourselves in pursuing it.
I pray you find guidance and peace as your videos give me guidance and peace 😊
(Sorry for my bad English)
Jeffrey lang (the purpose of life lec)
ua-cam.com/video/ifllgTA2pmY/v-deo.htmlsi=IjdJRhfXTxjzTql7
Omar Suleiman (explaining Islam in 30 mins)
ua-cam.com/video/es5Ct9flpIg/v-deo.htmlsi=PNXJWqXI5buGGB7u
Your english is fine 🙂
I think that for an INTJ you are doing wrong career. We are not purposed to work around people, but around ideas.
Religion comments are bullshit. Consider switching your career, plus focusing on yourself more and your health.
Get a son. It will solve everything. Trust me Jon. ❤
OK 5 minutes in, something about your cat. My man, I love you but get your T-levels straight, go marry and have children and especially sons. Or I'll unsubscribe. For real.
Desperation smh
I can assure you they would just be a distraction from your problems, not a solution. They might pull you out of your own head by activating Se and Fi, that's just wallpaper over the cracks. The question of what is the point of it all? Still remains, Im going to die one day and so will they, by the time the 2/3 generations after you pass, you will simply be a stone with a picture of you in the dirt. All the memories you shared with others will no longer exist, not even in the minds of others since your brain and theirs will have been devoured by worms. Unless you're a significant historical figure, cultural icon, inventor, etc all of your contributions wont be remembered by anybody, you'll just be dust.
That’s the best advice you can give? Put another human being into this world? 🧐
@@TokyoTaisu No, not everyone want have a family & children. We are all differents with differents purposes.
Accepting, we are all differents is already a good step.
I invite you to Islam
The Holy Bible completes humanity's incomplete and imperfect tendencies.
You need Jesus in your life, bruh. He is the truth and they way to eternal life.
Thank you Jon, your description makes me really happy, so I don't feel so alien anymore. 🩷from Germany
I heard you mention her twice and both times, I felt like she's a pretty cool girl.. Why don't you call Grace? 🌸🩷🌸
I would never......Grace 🤮