The INTJ Who Had The World...But Didn't Want It
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- A video on the Roman Emporer, Marcus Aurelius.
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I would L.O.V.E. a continuing series of famous INTJs behind the scenes.
Yes I like learning about INTJs!
It's nice to know that there's an audience for this 🙂
On the topic of Marcus improving his society, I don't know what it is about us, but the urge for improvement ( in ourselves, loved ones, and surroundings) is just so innate. It's a constant urge, but dammit it's one of the few things I'll actually take pride in!
It's our super power ✊
Omg - is this why I think stoicism intuitively just makes so much sense, like why isn’t everyone a stoic? Haha shall we tag Ryan Holiday? I smell a collab!
It'll be wild to collab with Ryan Holiday 😅
Standing ovation for this video !!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you 🙏
Marcus Aurelius is seriously one of the most interesting characters in history. One more thing - you are always a student, even if you achieve mastery in something there are always things you might learn.
You're always a student 💯
I loved this video! I hope you do the series on famous INTJs!
Side note: I wrote my college entrance letter on Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead before I ever knew I was an INTJ! While I don't ascribe to all of her beliefs today, she introduced a philosophy of thought that was compelling and revolutionary as a Russian refugee living in America, who'd escaped the oppressive communist regime.
Thank you for a wonderful video!
I find it interesting that INTJs tend to gravitate to INTJ authors without really knowing it. It's refreshing to hear INTJ 'logic' from someone else 😂
I'm a historian--interesting POV on Marcus Aurelius! There are a few pieces of context I could add, but overall I don't think you're wrong.
Always ego booasting to get complimented by an expert 😁
Could you make this type of INTJ review a series? Love your channel Jon it's full of substance
Thank you for the comment! I'm considering making this a series and I want to brance it out to other types as well 😁
Perhaps more important than the Fi implication of making his brother a co-emperor, the Te aspect of contingency, redundancy, failsafe & second opinion (that's not muddled by power dynamics) of the deal is where it's actually at. Instead of spending time, resources & mental health fending off the second most powerful person of his time (resultant being A-B, which is less than either A or B) he makes him join the effort (resultant being A+B, which is more than either A or B). Worst case scenario, Se-dom Lucius spends his time hedonistically (which he kinda did) without being a threat to the Marcus, the throne, or the Roman people.
Honestly, he had a long time to plan this (and ensure that Lucius - an ESTP - is still best prepared in ways to bring this plan to fruition) so it's not surprising, but it's quintessentially INTJ-like.
That's a good analysis and I definitely considered that. What made me go the Fi route was that he initially kept denying the throne and only agreed to it once they accepted his brother as co-emporer. So it sounds like he doesn't care to maintain the power and that he'd be just as happy if Lucius took over completely.
My name is Marcus, I'm an INTJ and was called Marcus Aurelius by a colleague at work the other day xd
That's a compliment 🙂
"sipping tea from a tiny cup and going like "oui oui"" cracked me up.
Thank you for another great content!
Glad you enjoyed it 🍵
What an awesome story - thanks for sharing his story with us.
Thanks for letting me nerd out 😅
Thank you! Love this.
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Very nice! I roleplayed as a Roman legionarre who combined the names of Gaius Claudius maximus and marcus Aurelius. Pretty much a stoic Maximus decimus meridius but had no Commodus to stab him in the back and no family to sacrifice.
This was before I knew I was intj, oddly enough.
Having a back stabbing Commodus and family to sacrifice is the best part! I never roledplayed as anyone from Rome but I always imagined being Kratos from the God of War series 😅
@justcallmejon22 Thanatos on a Kratos mission was fun. The God of death has come to claim the lives of the other gods, but not because of power or vengeance like Kratos. He's just doing his job, and doing it well.
Excellent 👌 Tks to you dude! ✌️
Thank you 🙏
@@justcallmejon22 I just found out I can reply to comments 🙄 You're welcome boy! ✌️😃
Listening to you talk history is a whole new experience, haha!
A lot of INTJs give me this impression of having the ability to rule the world but "nah, I'd rather do something else with my time." NTJs in general show that power can be wielded responsibly. Ni and Fi together are badass.
I hope it was a positive experience 🙂. I feel like healthy Ni-doms would rather spend our time 'figuring the world out' rather than having to spend time managing the sensory world.
Just a quick note for context regarding Marie Antoniette's quote: this was on the eve of the French Revolution and, mostly due to the excesses of an out of control royalty, peasants were starving. Being the queen at that time, she was informed of this along the lines of "my queen, people have no bread to eat!", to which she replied "Why don't they eat brioche instead?", brioche being a type of fancier, sweet French bread. This is mostly hearsay, but the lack of notion and detachment from reality remains.
Great recap on brother Aurellius there. It was a bit of a refreshment for me (I had my Marcus Aurellius fan phase a few years ago) but still very relevant
I feel like all INTJs go through a Marcus phase at least once in their lives 😅
This was cool. I'd like more. I just got typed last year after thinking I was an INxP. I'm still learning more about INTJs. Real life examples are helpful.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Regardless of type, don't forget that it's just a tool and should not be used as your identity ✊
@@justcallmejon22 appreciate the sentiment but even after years of learning about mbti and other systems like enneagram, I feel like none of it completely fits. But once I was typed as INTJ and learned more about the cognitive functions, including the shadow, it was much more helpful for my personal journey than thinking I was lead Ti when I was not.
I still don't relate completely to most of the INTJs I meet, but there are so many layers to what makes up people and their personalities. There's not much danger in me latching on to this at this stage in my life. I still get surprised when I tell people about the things I've done and said throughout all of my life and they tell me they're typical INTJ things as I've always just felt like an alien 😂 Sorry for the long reply.
Please make more videos like this. As an INTJ, progress is very important and ideal role models are one of the most important factor. Except for forgiving Cassius, everything about Markus Aurelius is admirable👏🖤
You wouldn't have forgiven Cassius?
@@justcallmejon22 Nope. I lean more towards Nietzsche or Machiavelli
Hey Jon thank you for making this video. I learn a lot from your perspective, I'll read that book soon! And I would love to watch more of these videos in the future! I'll support you! It's beneficial to have you at this time. again thank you!
Thank you! I recommend getting a version of Meditation that has commentary from a scholar. It's hard to follow since it's written so long ago, but once you get all the context, it'll start to click 🙂
This was a great video and I certainly learned a lot. I found it really cool that even without knowing much about Marcus, I saw a lot of the things I practice when making leadership decisions that align with how Marcus ruled. Where other people might see a decision he made and say "why," I was just nodding along like, "That makes perfect sense."
Also, as someone who does tend to bemoan how people chase fame and infamy to the detriment of general decency now, I find it endlessly hilarious that you have a guy like Marcus who has reached levels of infamy by doing everything possible to LIMIT his exposure to the spotlight unless necessary he be there.🤣🤣
I think it's wild as well that people actually seek the spotlight not understanding all the reponsibilities that's attached 😅
27:31 You should.. I would love to see it❤
It was an enlightening journey.. I usually see these kind of videos while doing some task but for this one I sat down and drowned myself into the story of this great Roman Emperor! I think he was actually someone to put on a pedestal for every INTJ (and everyone else tbh) and aspire to be like 👍 I think I can motivate myself to bring some stability now and let my Fi lead the way (while restraining the Ne from getting in the way that is)
I'm getting a good amount of positive feedback so I'll likely continue the series 😁
@@justcallmejon22 would love to see more!
Thanks for this video brother , i relate so much with him . But i consider him my idol. I recently discovered mbti . And i knew Marcus Aurelius was an intj
Appreciate the support! I think it's funny when people claim that he must be an Fe-user because he cares about people when most INTJs that reads Meditations feels like we wrote it ourselves 😅
Great video!
Thank you 🙏
Hey Jon, can you make a video on how to handle rejection as an INTJ? I kinda got rejected by my INTP crush and it's a little hurting. Your videos are quite relatable for me, so thought that maybe it'd better to hear your advice on how to recover from it. I'd really appreciate it if you can make the video asap. Thankyou
Hey - I empathize with your feeling of rejection, I recently went through something similar. It sucks, it's a horrible feeling, I wish life was easier but this is reality. One of the toughest lesson that I learned in life is that heartbreaks are lessons that teaches us that not everyone is worthy of our love and that one day we'll find someone who wants to be in our lives as much as we want them in ours. It may not be any time soon but if he doesn't see your value, then he's not worth your time. Chin up my INTJ Queen, you'll find someone who will love you for who you are, completely ❤
the marie antoinette quote goes more like "Queen, the people don't have any bread to eat" - "Then let them eat cake"
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She never actually said it anyway. She knew the people were starving, but the responsibility of the monarchs to directly work for the people's good had faded by the later 18th c. She felt bad but didn't seem to know what to do or think it was her responsibility.
Hi Jon! I LOVE your content on INTJs! I haven't seen any videos from you about the stress and anxiety that phone calls or texting can cause for some INTJs. Any insight on why some INTJs struggle with this? Is it pretty common? Do you find yourself in this boat as well? Keep up the great work!
I'm glad you're enjoying my videos! I'm not sure if I have anything in particular to say about handling stress and anxiety since everyone learned different coping mechanism throughout life. I think it's common for us to enjoy our solitude but not sure where else to go from there 😅
It happened to me as well, I didn't know what to do with my life and then I met Marcus, now I know what to do.
He really is one of the best of us ✊
Heard that Michelle Obama was also an INTJ. You could make video about her as well if u like. Also it'd be great if you could give book recommendations for INTJs :) This video really inspires me to read Meditations
-fellow INTJ
I read part of her book and actually saw her live in person when she was on a nation wide tour promoting it and I wouldn't personally type her as an INTJ. I might be wrong but I didn't get dominate Ni vibes from her 😕
@@justcallmejon22 ooo really!!! :O
from the title on the thumbnail I thought you were gonna talk about Nikola Tesla. Lol.
One day I will 🤗
I'd love to hear a lot more about the historical figures that were INTJs. I'm not so big in history, and after hearing about this Roman Emperor Marcus, my curiosity is sparked.
Dude, watch the play 'Hamilton' on Disney+. He's an ENTJ and his life was crazyyy 😂
I think, he just trying to execute his Te to running his duties and his Ni by choosing his Son to be the next Emperor. And of course, it depends on how he looked around at that moment. And that's what the nerds usually do. cmiiw master ✌
💯 agreed
If Marcus Aurelius was game developer, he was responsible for the quality of life improvement update.
He would be a manager without even trying 😅
Immediately clicked on this because Julius Caesar is my roman empire so I'm open to adding Marcus to the list. If you ever have the time and want to do a deep dive into him, it would be greatly appreciated 🙏🏾 I'm too scared to look too closely myself incase it unravels how cool I think his end was 😅
I read somewhere, 'Never meet your heroes' and I agree with that quote 😅
This made me want to read Meditations!
Do it 😁
Recently i am feeling sad or maybe kind of depressed usually i solve my every problem by logic and i mever get depressed but i dont even know why i am sad did it ever happened to u it happens to me sometimes a year .
It happens to me all the time man and it's usually because I'm ignoring my Fi values. Never ignore your Fi values. But if it's an existential crisis, that's just part of being an Ni-dom, just keep trekking on through it ✊
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Was thinking to make a graph on things which I can do daily and that gives me dopamine. Not some obvious things like gaming etc . Like things which I am subconsciously sometimes actually enjoying like winning a competition or debate these little things . and it would benefit that I won't ask myself reason why I am doing I am just doing it cause I am enjoying it that's it . There should be time for some little things for my big goal aswell . So i thought of making the dopamine graph but I started procrastinating .
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Just got reminded from existential crises .
I was studying why the first organisms reproduced as they didn't even have the pleasure to do so . I always thought that it was bcoz they wanted to show something to future generations like organisms attained the ability to see with eyes in future and in future we will probably will get some abilities to reach 4th 5th dimension that was my basic thinking which made me conclude that reproduction might be purpose of life . but out of nowhere chat gpt said the first organisms reproduced just bcoz of co incidence that suddenly chabgel alot of my beleifs
Hahahha This explains a lot. I find his writings to be true, not insightful. Less annoying than most philosophers but not the groundbreaking events of pen mastery that many warble on about. They are 100% perfectly normal. So, I'm like "Yeah." but not "My life is changed." He sounds like someone I would like and understand, minus such things as actually language barrier. People are always holding him up as a thinker that is so different and I never undertood why, until now.
That's the same reaction I had reading his book 😂
Accepting the Universe
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I find these channels fascinating I'd like to know your thoughts on them.
I have a personal rule not to say anything negative about another content creator. I know that's not the answer you're hoping for but I don't want to get in the way of their next meal. 🙂
@@justcallmejon22 I apologize if my request came across the wrong way. I didn't mean to ask for any criticism. I'm genuinely interested in exploring how these creators relate to MBTI functions, as I find them fascinating.
I am INTJ, I try to practice stoicism almost always and my reference is Marco Aurelio, I hope he is INTJ, although I thought he was not
I find it difficult to argue against him being an INTJ since we have access to his diary. He doesn't write like any other type outside of an Ni-dom that has high Te. It's interesting that people would say otherwise 😅 (Not shaming you personally, just speaking my mind freely on the topic)
@@justcallmejon22 It certainly makes sense, but at the same time he seemed to have a lot of fe, but I guess it was his values of fi that make appear that. Any xxxJ type would seem plausible to me
Do you recommend any books to better help understand the intj mbti in order to utilise its strengths for different aspects of life?
TBH, I've never read any book dedicated to MBTI. I just watched videos and noticed the patterns. Check out the 'INTJ Panel', videos on JoyceMeng's youtube page. She has a few videos with a bunch of INTJs and it should be easy to notice who is and who isn't. When it comes down to peering into the mind of an INTJ, I love basketball so I read Coach Phil Jackson's book 'Eleven Rings', I love hip-hop so I read Jay-Z's 'Decoded', and I like philosphy so I read Marcus Aurelius's "Meditation". If you like a little bit of cheesy romance, I've been told that Jane Austen's 'Pride and Prejudice' is written like an INTJ's view of romance. Have fun on your journey!
Why INTJ's destined to meet Marcus Aurelius 😂😂
Or we just naturally born stoic 😂
It's like Pokemon, we naturally evolve into a stoic after enough life experience 😂
Is it true that INTJs distance themselves when they start to like/love someone?even if they did get along during the getting to know stage? Why do you guys do that? :(
I wouldn't say it's common but I also wouldn't say that it's not common. Having low Fi is weird, we try to avoid too much intense emotions 🙃
idrlabs has a lot of mistypings but I actually agree with them that he's ISFJ. Stoicism has a lot of alpha quadra type of structured/organized Ti. Still INTJs should learn from ISFJs in terms of how they relate to other people (humility)
Why does idrlab think that he's an ISFJ?
You should make a discord
I don't want the attention 🙃
More famous INTJs 🙏
Will do 🙂
wow
good or bad wow?! 😅
People usually say he’s an INFJ, why do you think he’s an INTJ? I’m an INTJ and he seems more Fe and Ti user to me
I also completely don’t buy that offering his brother a co leading position is an indicator of being an INTJ. Unless he had a very good reason for why that would have worked better and been more efficient for the Empire then it’s a very Fe decision. He was prioritising the feelings of someone else over the logic of what would have worked best especially given that partnerships in such positions rarely work out.
Dude, I spent the entire video explaining my reasoning 😅
@@justcallmejon22 My point is that your reasoning is not complete 🙃
It's all about WHY people made a decision in the end, not what decision they made. The decision to co-partner with his brother could have been an Fe or a Te decision but you assumed it is a Te decision. As much as it would be nice to have him be an INTJ I don't think he is.
It's kinda funny how he's typed as ISFJ on pdb
PDB typed the fictional character of 'Death' so I'm not sure about the credibility of the website 😁
@@justcallmejon22 Yeah, for things like these, you shouldn't at give credibility at all, but for everything else, it's often interesting to read explanations for everyone's typing
Aurelius wasnt actually an INTJ, he was more of a rational type. ISTP would be a good take
Why?
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„While on the surface, Aurelius appears to be an Irrational type - afterall, he was tolerant of the accidental, accepted the flux of events that reality unfolded. However upon deeper analysis, we see that he was like that not because he was irrational - on the contrary, it was because he was Rational. The story of Aurelius' reign starts when his adoptive father died, and it just so happened that he was the only one available to assume the position of emperor. Despite being under 17, he accepted it, not because he was irrational, but because his mentors were the stoics, and Aurelius subordinated himself to the Stoic doctrine, he abided its laws and value, he rigorously grounded his perceptions to reason, which is why he became the famous Stoic we know him as today.“
Strictly adhering to a clearly defined moral system is quite evident of Aurelius‘ rationality. An irrational type is far less concerned with judgement / the approach to life one should take, and are instead more interested in the perception itself.
Generally speaking most people agree that Aurelius was a rational type, some even argue that he was an introverted feeler instead of a thinker, which I personally don’t agree with. Anyway, Aurelius is a pretty good example of introverted thinking, at least in the classical jungian sense.
@@justcallmejon22 his proclivity to orient himself and strictly adhere to a philosophical system of morality reveals the underlying rationality of his character. This works much better for introverted thinking than intuition.
Do you speak Polish? Marek Aureliusz? 😂
I was wondering why the name was written differently 😂
Marcus aurelius was infj
*in the movie
i tot he is entj
@@marvinfoo9544 thats maximus. Marcus is the old man who dies at the beginning.
Just because he cares about the people doesn’t mean he has Fe-
IDK man, telling the entire Roman empire to bugger off because he didn't want the throne doesn't seem very Fe to me 🙃