me when I use Se: Ni: ok, here's why we're doing the Se thing, don't lose sight of the big picture or regret any actions. Fi: here's how doing this Se aligns with my values, so don't do something we really don't want to! Te: and here are our entry and exit strategies so we don't lose track of time in Se, follow the system. Se: chill, everyone, I just want to fall into the grip hehe.
I zone out a lot, and I never notice things that others feel I should have noticed. Not knowing if I’ve used shampoo yet is very common, also zoning out when driving. Zoning out in conversations is the worst, having to follow it knowing that I missed a big chunk and pretending I didn’t. My Se wants me to do new things regularly, but no matter how much fun I can have playing games with friends, climbing or working out or other active pursuits, I’m always pulled towards the couch or my garden chair or somewhere I can read my books and play out whatever scenario I’m interested in, in my head. I always wondered why doing things was so difficult for me in comparison to others. I love being in nature, I love hanging with a few close friends, I love working with people trying to see how things can be better and more efficient, but my primary state is incredibly passive. Even though I love all the things I listed above, I need to force myself to do them. Cause Ni just wants to be still and play out exciting scenarios.
I'm am HSP INFJ. I gotta tell you the only place with lots of people I feel good at are concerts. I've gotten dizzy even in big crowded malls. Ohhh, I do zone out, too, when I do seemingly Se things, yeah. So far I've noticed I do it, but didn't realize it fully until you said it now. It's like I'm there doing the thing, but I'm not actually there. As for Fe and Te at social gatherings, I often don't want to be there, unless it's full of intutives 😂 And when it's not, I rarely ask questions because I'm actually interested. It's usually too deflect attention from myself and not look weird at the same time. I'd always prefer one-on-ones ❤ A day without new info and a new insight or a new perspective on sth important is quite a waste. Although I do like ticking off tasks and seeing a tangible result of what Ni and Ti do and I like lists and summaries that I can go to for reminders. Thanks for the video! These ones feel like home ❤
There's been many times where I would go do something at like noon or 1pm and I am already thinking, "There goes my day, I won't get home until 7-8pm and the day is gone. I really can't do anything before and this event is in the middle of the day. Why?" I don't really drink or go out and drink that much anymore cause my default thinking is, "I have things to do and I don't want to be bogged down with a hangover or not have the energy". This explains in simple terms to non INTJs the issues we go thru even if we create them. I do like going to sport games or concerts, but I have to mentally prepare myself for dealing with the people in the crowds. Its not that I get anxiety or panic attacks, its I don't want to deal with the random a-holes out there. There's also the factor of getting to the game, parking and tailgating, being at the game, planning when to leave, dealing with traffic to get home, and then unwinding once at home. It becomes an all day affair. If I watch it at home or at a bar, I can do things all the way up to the start of the game, take a break away from the game, and be able to do something else right after or near the end of the game without having any wasted time.
INFJ here, I hadn’t really thought of it before but yes this all sounds about right. Often engaging Se feels like a waste of time. I am learning the importance of doing it though. Great video.
The autistic crowd talks about “spoons”. How they only have so many spoonfuls to be able to handle things, then they are out. And it takes time to refill again before they can handle more.
Thanks for this video, it opens up new perspectives that are rarely discussed in the MBTI community. I found the distinction between being 'low on SE' and anxiety really interesting. Could you, when you have time, dive deeper into the signs and differences between the two? Thanks in advance! Secondly, I really identify with what you said about INTJs and SE pushing us to crave the same experience repeatedly, whether it’s drugs, alcohol, or pleasure - it’s often all or nothing. But I’ve also noticed that, afterward, when NI hits us with that guilt trip, I/we can suddenly quit those sensory activities cold turkey. For example, we might suddenly eat only once a day, stop drinking alcohol entirely, or never engage in a sensory activity again if we see it as morally 'wrong' in our eyes. Have you experienced this too?
I don't quit anything cold turkey persay but sometimes I punish myself such as going for a long jog after a night of binge drinking (I hate jogging). I think the easiest way to explain the difference between anxiety and low Se is that low Se moments are still bareable, just annoying because I lack the energy. Anxiety is when I don't want to be somewhere because I have a negative physiological response to something.
Infj here. I'm loving ur content so much that I've been watching it for the past 3 days constantly, n that's when I discovered U. I just love how U talk abt all of these things regarding mbti, intj and all. And it's so easy to understand too as I'm sort of trying to get into the cognitive functions. So I just want to express my thanks to U. Rly. It's been a great help and it's fun too all the while. Rly love it ♡♡
Thank you for the support! Cognitive functions is the best part of learning about typology IMO so I'm excited for your journey! Just remember that your MBTI type is only one facet of the whole you and most importantly, have fun 👊
Pretty accurate: Inferior Se is often presented as Sensory Processing Sensitivity, and it's a well described temperamental trait. I, INTJ and Biochemist, dowe into the subject together with my brother, INFJ and Educational Psykologist, in order to understand the mechanisms behind it. Knowing that it's an actual brain wirering phenomena, makes it a bit more relatable to types who to no possess this trait.
I recommend when you do Se, you also make sure you do Te, and also focus on a task to be completed! I not only go to conventions for the fun, I also make sure I work on what I want to accomplish like doing photoshoots to gain more followers, because Te wants that!
For me (INFJ-A) it depends on how im feeling at the moment, if im authentically engaged, its all good, otherwise not so much, most often its because I've got other things I'd rather be doing, or the environment/people are not engaging enough for me. Remember though, dont feel too bad about the "inferior" function, its actually quite developed in comparison to things way further down the stack.
Brilliant description! Love the t shirt ( I would put "save water, drink Adam's ale" 😂 It's interesting what you say about Autism. I was assessed for Aspergers 13 years ago ( I don't like the term "diagnosing" as neurodiversity is NOT a disease. ) As an INTJ female and ND neurodiversity ) element, I can completely relate to what you are saying. We are all made up of so many layers. Cultural, family origin, upbring, nurturing, nature, environment, education and personality, interests, neurology, and so much more. I personally am really happy to be the .8% of rare female INTJ ( Please don't crucify me. Statisticians ), but I am aware that ND makes its appearance in my day, especially in the sensory and social arena. There's a really great UA-cam creator, which I will link, and I'd encourage you to check out his content. He specialises in EQ and is Autistic, I find his presentations very insightful and practical. ua-cam.com/video/y9bwUb-M1Bg/v-deo.htmlsi=8HMAfwPpsBY6281W Love your content and your sense of humour 🤣
The 4th is both fear & aspirational (love/hate as you said it well) We are all uniques and we have different Se preferences related to our Fi Ni. _I have to make sure that the Se I engage it, serve my Ni, Te, or Fi - to be fulfilled/happy/satisfied _There is the unhealthy/immature side of Se, and the healthy/mature side. (I reserve that for future video) _Maybe the part of us who say "I wasted my time & energy" it's surely because that thing/experience was not aligned with our self (Ni Te & Fi) I had this feeling too. Maybe it's our "Super Ego" (the internalized parent in our mind criticizing us), that we have to shut-up, be kind with ourselves, it's ok to enjoy Se, sometimes I want Ni to stop (maybe we may have fed-up to use our dominant function and need recharge it too) - It would be boring, if we were only Ni Te. For the ones who don't like concerts or party, it's because of our neurological conditions (autistic/asperger/gifted, we may be hypersensitive to certains noises, lights...), and too mature/wise or smart for the parties. Also too much Se shut down our Ni, and we can't function/think correctly. I love metal concerts when their instruments are well tuned, it heals. In my 20's, many times I regretted to have been to parties, be outside, go restaurants (waste of time, energy, money, health, I haven't enjoyed it) I wished I could have been alone, rest or do something I really enjoy alone, or more productive.
I fully get you on that „wasting my time“. Even if you argue I should have an easier time as an INFJ connecting along with other people’s notion of a good time. I personally get often upset after going out with other people realizing that I have wasted my time doing useless stuff, that did not get me anywhere (whatever this is). The best times are the ones where I am in tune with the people around me and I get the complicated stuff across that constitutes my inner world. Flow to me means seeing my Ni unfolding in real time. If the real time activities contradict my insights I tend to feel like I am on the wrong track and should be looking for a way out. The best remedy to me to get rid of that “wasting my time feeling” is looking for the right people and places to connect with rather than to just withdraw into my Ni-world.
Thank you! I enjoy your videos and this one was really helpful, especially today. It's nice to know there really are other people out there, who have a smiliar mental set-up.
I'm an ESTP. Se is a drug to me, too. I'm just highly in control of it. I'm also a writer and I stand up dancing and listening to music while writing 😅 Also, don't feel bad about liking to have some structure when going out. That's just a Thinker thing, I like it as well, just in a very immediate sense, and I do think about how something will affect everything else I'd prefer to do in a day, I'm not just weeee let's go!
Before the pandemic my infj bf had this idea of “going out and do things” 🙄 and I made a rule of max 1 day a weekend as I need at least 1 day to get over it, and no 2 consecutive weekends “doing things” cuz it just felt like frivolous busywork when I could be at home in the sanctity of my own mind. Why do things when I could just, like, not! Anyway, much earlier I went through a phase of “I’m just as extroverted as you extrovert” where I’d not go home for days. These days Se really wear me out. I also used to go swim at the pool alone (as exercise) but found it a zen-like experience where I’m in my head. I run Dungeons and Dragons and used my pool time (including the walk to and from) where I’d plan out my sessions. Loved it!
When I engage in Se I try to find positive outcomes of what I'm doing, so that it becomes less waste of time. For example when I play on PlayStation, I like to think that I am improving my Se: my agility, speed etc. 😉 When I binge watch tv series, I think that the story would teach me sth that I can use in life or at least it will broaden my mind. Thank you for a great video 😃
Se is a pain in that is doesn't come naturally, but as I've gotten older I've learned how important balance is and will myself engage with Se. I reframe the "need" as a problem in the sense that if I don't participate in the extroverted sensing world negative stuff is likely to follow (whether that be relational, emotional, etc.). I say "need" because, well it is a need for a healthy person, but it doesn't feel like a "need" to me. So I kinda Te my way to use my Se if that makes sense. I don't directly tell that to people, but it does help reframe it to where this is something I still need to engage in for the sake of myself and those closest to me.
Very Interesting! Inferior Se is something I've been pondering for quite a while now, and most of what you said more or less hit home! When I engage with Se in solitude, whether on a walk or doing something sensory like eating, drinking or showering even, I almost always zone out while being stuck in my Ni world :') I forget that I did something and I'd do it again, or just overdo something without realizing it (Binge eating moment :'D) When I am with someone else? It's another story. It does truly feel like stepping into the world or coming to life, I become so engrossed in the other person with Se-Fe like my life depends on it. It's usually a good time and I imagine the other person also enjoys it, but Unless I tap into Ni during that time, expressing my thoughts and discussing them, I almost always come out of the interaction feeling like my energy was wasted and I'm a little empty :') Not to mention, in heavy Se activities like hiking or exploring or swimming, I feel myself too captivated by Se That I do things in a very... Released manner, often kind of embarrassing but very fun, though I do need to stay at home for quite a bit of time to recharge the Se energy, during which time I'm inclined to Isolate myself :')
Alright, so being INFJ I too experience allot of what you talked about, and yes, if I don't use enough Ni and more Se, it doesn't feel right. In the moment it feels fun and what not but after it is over, it does feel like I wasted some time, even know I actually didn't. However it does seem a bit different for you INTJs as it does for us INFJs. However, you guys gotta engage your Te with you Se, while we have to engage our Fe with our Se. Also, even though we INFJs are still true introverts, we are also commonly known as the extroverted introverts, and it is true, we are quite a bit more extroverted than our INTJ counter parts but when 2 Ni doms are in the same room, oh the conversations we make. The depth of those conversations matches what we both love, and what we consider to be our type of small talk is still deeper than most because we never make it shallow. Then, we can meaningfully go into our Ni worlds at the same time without interrupting each other.
I do something similar. I justify being social with friends as 'letting Se out to play' so that I can concentrate on whatever I want after baby Se is satisfied 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Yes, I guess only we Se inferiors will understand how it is, no one else seems to get it. Of course using allot of our Se drains us then we gotta Ni recharge. The normal every day stuff seems to be fine.
One of the few I considered my best friend is INFJ and the conversations we have is exactly like what you describe. We can go from random trivial things like my cats or events at work to deeper discussions then right back to another trivial/ small talk topic, then rinse and repeat.
@@Phillia_crochet Yes, we can start with a topic that is usually a shallow conversation with most others and start gradually making it deeper and deeper or we can just take it immediately to untold depths. I love being around other Ni doms, the surface is too boring for us, as long as we are underneath the surface, we are in our element.
I love what you said about inferior Se. Meditation gives Ni what it needs so that it doesn't just take what it wants. I'm a far healthier INFJ when I stick with my meditation practice.
Me going out after staying indoors for a few days: This is great. Can't wait to do this again. Me when I got home: exhausted and need at least half a day being alone to recharge, preferably one or two day staying at home unless going out almost immediately is necessary. I also don't do eye contacts naturally but need to be intentional and in moderation or I would unintentionally stare someone down. My eyesight have been declining since I was born prematurely so I have a more difficult time noticing and understanding facial expression but I picked up people's mood based on their voices, noises their movements make and word choices more. It may took me about a dozen of seconds staring to analyze one's facial expressions. (I didn't get an autism diagnosis because it's not available for adults in my country, but a Schizotypal one instead. It seems to have to do with the social environment I was raised in and my worsening eyesight growing up than developmental issues due to genetics or a combination of genetics and environment, as I don't have issues understanding metaphorical languages nor instinctively/ intuitionally figuring out social norms if I was told or got enough interactions as data. Conforming or not is another matter of Fi. ) The zone is so real. I could recite aloud two full A4 pages of something I memorized and recite frequently (e.e. at least once a day) while taking a shower and feel my mind drifting away contemplating something else. It usually go smoothly without a hitch but if I noticed my mind drifting and pull it back then it took me a few seconds to minutes to continue what I was reciting.
The zoning out you speak of is actually dissociation. Any form of zoning out, daydreaming or forgotten/unexplained periods is you dissociating. Now, the ISTJ organizing the dishes is just OCD. Both dissociation and OCD are trauma responses. Some people think they can't have trauma responses because they don't think they've ever experienced trauma on a big enough scale but even small, unsuspecting things can be traumatic enough to manifest said responses. Having inferior Se, we suffer from performance anxiety. Se likes to give others a good experience. This can range from all sorts of things but the biggest situation is sex related. We hate knowing/feeling like we suck at having sex whether perceived or not. One thing I've noticed with INFJ is that with Fe being relational, when they socialize they prefer that kind of spiritual connection to really enjoy the experience socializing. Since Te is mechanical, we tend to value the opinions of others as long as they're logical, don't interfere with our Fi values and come from a trusted/qualified source ie doctors, scientists etc. A lot of intuitives are neurodivergent, myself included. I was diagnosed with Asperger's. I totally understand the eye contact thing. When others are staring, it's hard to maintain contact but at the same time I psychoanalyze everyone. Their body language, voice, tone etc. Having autism, there's a correlation to having no/low empathy and with being INTJ having Fe blind spot it makes sense. A lot of people don't understand that Fe is empathy and Fi is sympathy. INTJ are by default sympathetic, only. If we are empathetic, it's only cognitive and this is a learned process and not genuine.
- OCD is a direct consequence of having a high Si. It's not a trauma response. - Dissociation is a direct consequence of having inferior extroverted percieving function (Se, Ne). INTJs, ISTJs, INFJs and ISFJs all have this problem in some capacity. Not a trauma response. - Aspergers is a direct consequence of being an Ni dom. A lot of INTPs are on the high-functioning part of the spectrum aswell. - Empathy is directly correlated to having Fi and certain other functions that help you analyze other's emotions. INTJs typically have pretty good empathy as long as they dont shut down their Fi due to depression or being overwhelmed. I dunno what sympathy would be but it sounds like something that you're supposed to show when someone is displaying negative emotions, and INTJs just never do that. It sounds like an Fe thing to me. - Fe users typically never show any empathy, especially high Fe users. If you see a high Fe user claiming to be empathetic you're either getting manipulated or they're mistyped. Empathy requires cognitive understanding of personal feelings, which is a feature of Fi.
@@_Thunderball_ According to psychology, OCD is a trauma response. If you're going to try to school someone, at least know what you're talking about... There's years of research on this. It's not something I made up.
@@BasedGodEmperorTrump Look, you're entitled to believe anything you like, but: - Traditional psychology assumes people are all largely wired the same and most the behavioral differences are due to the external factors (environment, upbringing, culture, etc) or pathologies. - Analytical psychology (which MBTI is a branch of) assumes that people are wired differently (most, including me believe that it's genetic), and that most differences in behavior come down to the wiring, not external factors. If you think that traditional psych is correct then I dont get why are you even discussing MBTI - you should be assuming that it's wrong. These two just have different ways of looking at the same problem.
@@Itsmesmileyface Interesting... I'd like inputs on this idea: I think the feeling functions (Fe,Fi) Don't exclusively represent one terminology or the other. Fi is a deep attunement to one's own emotional state, while Fe Is a deep attunement to other people's emotional states. In that sense, Both functions can have the capacity for both sympathy and empathy, though I imagine Fi's Empathy, while more specific about what circumstances and feelings it'll be able to show empathy to, will be much richer in doing so. While Fe's Empathetic scope is much broader, due to it's ability to intake any emotional state but not necessarily with the depth Fi Is capable of. Think of it as a specialized doctor (Fi) Vs a generalized paramedic (Fe). Both heal, but each having a different scope and intensity :D
As an Intj, this really resonated with me. I use a lot of Se during the day (at work, with my friends), but in the evening the Ni comes out and takes over. Of course it's not that two sided, but I try to leave all this sorting out of information about my brain for the evening. That manifests in those things you pointed out: In shower, I do not realise if I already applied shampoo or not, I zone out a lot (even during the day sometimes, if I don't control it), in the evening I'm practically not there, I'm only in my head and if someone tries to talk to me I generate random nonsensical sentences xd. I hate when I don't have any time for thinking, because that leads to an absolute mess in my head and not making full sentences. About the „waste of time“ part, I feel like that too, but on the other side, when I do not engage my Se i feel like I'm missing out on everything. I didn't write any comment on youtube for like 2 years, but I have to make an exception with your channel, because you pretty much sum up not only our experiences but our struggles too damn well.
Welcome back to commenting on UA-cam! You made me realize that I forgot to mention the 'missing out in life' part of low Se when we haven't engaged with it in a while 😅
this is literally for the concert girls (me). i wrote a lot about how relatable this is and deleted it because i noticed how bad my inferior se is💔 i guess that's why i regret a lot and feel so drained... this makes me notice how badly i need to "feed" my Te and making those zoning out moments into actual actionable steps😂❤
I engage my Se a fair amount, but it's always in line with productivity. Sewing = better clothes, better image, so better business/social outcomes. Food-growing = better food, so better health, so better productivity. (And better wildlife-supporting biodiversity, at least on my plot) A wasted day for me is one spent in shallow conversations that don't advance my Ni projects or general life-schemas. I wonder if you could identify a person's type by what they consider a wasted day?
I like to compare my normal state to the same as when you read to the end of a passage but have to read it over again bc you realized you didn't process the meaning of the words. When I'm in the world I'm preciving whats going on around me but I'm not actually paying attention bc I'm thinking about smth. It's like I see that the words are there and I'm reading them but until I step out of Ni and go into Se I won't understand what the words mean.(the word represents the physical environment)
I have noticed that my se is better than my ENTJ friend I was able to pick up on certain things about a person that they totaled missed and didn't see any red flags and there were a lot but the ENTJ totally missed
Did they miss it or just didn't care about it?! I can see this happening in real life because ENTJs really do become oblivious sometimes when they're in full Te-mode 😂
Hey Jon, hope you are doing well. You seemed a little unfocused this video which is something I am very familiar with myself. Like the process when your Ni is telling you something but your Te is still trying to categorize and define it. You may remember from previous comments that I myself very much enjoy my time out hiking trails and such. I noticed how you stated that you enjoy this yourself but are often unaware of the leaves, etc. I wanted to share what seems to work for me in this type of situation to better engage with Se, and that is to bring along a pocket field guide with the goal of learning about a few new plants each trip. It seems to satisfy that goal oriented tendency while helping direct/focus my Se and engaging my Te as well since learning and seeking deeper understanding is a favorite goal. And to add a little boost for my Ni I actively seek deeper reasons of how and why those individual plants exist and interact in their specific environment, looking for connections which may not be so obvious. Just a suggestion of course for you to consider. Be well my friend. 🙂
Yeah, I've noticed that pairing Se with my other top function makes it easier to "engage with reality". I'm trying this new thing where I try to engage purely and only with Se (as unrealistic as that may sound) and see where it takes me. So far it blehh but I'm learning and that's what matters most 😅
What if you didn’t define yourself so completely within this myers briggs frame?? It informs a part of who we are to a certain extent, but what you described for the interaction with your colleagues just sounds like a regular off day when people prefer some alone time ??
@@justcallmejon22 what if it is. 🤷🏻♀️ The way I’ve always read into these things is if something it describes leaves me with more questions, it’s probably something else. I’ve looked into a lot of these things over the years, I’m just saying. It all helps in our self-understanding along the way, but it’s not some ultimate bible about us.
I know NJs who really love to travel and engage in fine dining, delicious food, and concerts…. But I know they tend to plan that stuff way in advance, rather than go with the flow in the moment, if given a choice. I can see those as positive manifestations of Se + the planning aspect, carving out space for Se time. On the flip side they might sometimes feel bad for indulging in what might be viewed as “meaningless activities.” I have an ESFP and an ENFJ cousin who both like to party and drink. When my ESFP cousin gets trashed, he has a way of hyping everyone up and getting them onboard with the fun and excitement. When my ENFJ cousin gets trashed, to me it feels like it’s sad and more of a downer. lol.😂 I don’t know if that is a result of having Se in different spots, or if it is something outside of cognitive functions. As an INFP, I know it is fine to occasionally engage in Si or Te, but I really don’t want to be in that space too long or too often. No one wants crazy heavy handed Te, telling them that everything they are doing or saying is WRONG!!! And me not caring about offending others… can lead to a tidal wave of wrecked relationships. 😂 And if I am too deep into the Inferior, the usual tunnel vision, black and white thinking, and loss of humor take over me, and the energy feels unstable and uncomfortable… while sometimes simultaneously feeling good, with a kind of raw power surging through…. Then totally wiped out afterwards. 😂
I noticed with my ENFJs that they tend to get lost in their Ni when drunk and Ni can lead to a lot of 'dark conclusions' but i'm usually there o help guide them. ESFPs are just fun to watch because they tend to surprise me in what they end up doing 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Oh, how interesting! Ni guidance for the drunk! …Instead of the typical, physical, let-me-help-you walk and get to the bathroom to puke guidance. lol.😂 I guess there are guides for all sorts of things! So does Ni guidance including steering away from doom and gloom future scenarios? What are Ni dark conclusions?
Can you make a video on Ni vs Si I get confused about my type because of this because N or S is just a dichotomy and its cognitive function which matters.
Been thinking about it but Si is still so weird to me. Check out my videos about Ni, it should be clear afterwards because they act completely different.
I think Ni craves things to process, and when it has been doing that in insolation for a while, the task can become stale. At that point, some fresh Se feels great and gives Ni something to work with again. But too much Se overloads it, so it needs to retreat again and return to that processing state. I also suspect that inferior Se in some ways may be hypersensitive when compared to an Se dom. I require much less Se stimulation to feel satisfied with it, but it doesn't necessarily mean I can't engage it as well in short bursts, but it's not sustainable like a dom and it burns me out.
No Jon, runners high is not when you space out during the run. It's the good feeling you get once you overcome the initial struggle and get your second wind. I run with my ISTP brother sometimes and this fucker gets it all the time, I maybe got it like 2 times in my life. I just fall back to my Ni when it gets tough to deal with the struggle.
I'm questioning whether I was typed correctly as an INTJ because I like to talk to people, but only: a) To learn new things b) To talk about my favorite subjects and future possibilities c) If my gut tells me that the person I'm talking to is someone who partially understands me. Nevertheless, I get my energy from spending time alone, social gatherings that go over 2,5 hours drain me like squeezing a lemon to make a lemonade. When reading my law textbooks, my mind processes the information I acquired instantly, guessing already "how the story continues", and often times, I am right. I zone out at least 657 times every day, so that the people who are around me tell me to wake up or snap back, because I'm constantly contemplating future scenarios or synthetizing what information I've acquired. I also have terrible short term memory, but I'll remember what you said 15 years ago for example. Despite me being relatively talkative, I'm still socially awkward with little understanding of the emotional signals people, but I think I can read body language fairly well. Also, I plan everything and spending time with spontaneous people makes me extremely anxious, because I need to feed my (I guess Ni?) with input so it can spit out the best way to approach planning a trip, buying a bicycle, doing some task etc. Finally, even though I recognise patterns everywhere, especially in languages, I find it hard to express myself without rewriting or reevaluating every sentence. I feel deeply misunderstood and nobody really knows me, even though I have a small friend group, who I love and appreciate, but I always hang out only with 1 or max 2 people at a time. Even this is draining over 2,5 hours. I would be thankful, if you could share your thoughts what I wrote. I wish to thank you from the core of my heart for your final words, it described my dreams and goals so well.
What you wrote sounds really INTJ for me. Read body language is one of the natural abilities of Ni. Except the part about memory, that is different/unique for everyone.
It's difficult for me to type someone just by reading a post because there are many reasons for why a person does something. For example, someone will say that they only talk to people if they're required to which could stem from 1) social anxiety 2) not caring about social interaction 3) not seeing the other person 4) in a rush most of the time etc. Cognitive functions are internal so behavioral typing doesn't make sense because humans are more complex than only what we can see. I suggest getting typed by someone who has been in the community for a while. I know that's not the answer you wanted but it's the truth. Enjoy the journey, my friend ✊.
@@justcallmejon22 I hate doing that, but I have to 😅: Body and mind are 2 sides of the same entity they work together. What happen in our mind is reflected on the outside, and vice versa. Our cognitive functions are reflected, shown, manifested in our behavior. (Behavior which is images, that intuition can interpret) We can also analyze a text, how the things are said, what the person focus on the most often, and have an idea of their type ^^.
@@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes I don't really agree with this. Human's are able to not act purely on instinct, which instinct is our cognitive functions if we believe in MBTI. That's the biggest difference between a mature adult and a child, the ability to think a certain way or hold a certain belief but not act on it based on the context of the situation. Behavior can be reflected but that doesn't mean that it always does and that's why it's important to get typed by someone so that they can dig deeper and find out the 'why' behind something.
me when I use Se:
Ni: ok, here's why we're doing the Se thing, don't lose sight of the big picture or regret any actions.
Fi: here's how doing this Se aligns with my values, so don't do something we really don't want to!
Te: and here are our entry and exit strategies so we don't lose track of time in Se, follow the system.
Se: chill, everyone, I just want to fall into the grip hehe.
"entry and exit strategies" This!
And then we wake up the next morning wondering what happened because Se pulled a fast one on us 😂
I feel the same way. It’s like you can only “binge” Se activities outside of solo Se activities like working out where you can still engage Ni.
I've learned that I enjoy solo Se activities because it's an excuse to keep baby Se quiet while I engage with Ni 😅
intj here; BINGO, you Nailed it
SO true! I have two speeds for Se: No or Goooooooo 😂
I zone out a lot, and I never notice things that others feel I should have noticed. Not knowing if I’ve used shampoo yet is very common, also zoning out when driving. Zoning out in conversations is the worst, having to follow it knowing that I missed a big chunk and pretending I didn’t. My Se wants me to do new things regularly, but no matter how much fun I can have playing games with friends, climbing or working out or other active pursuits, I’m always pulled towards the couch or my garden chair or somewhere I can read my books and play out whatever scenario I’m interested in, in my head. I always wondered why doing things was so difficult for me in comparison to others. I love being in nature, I love hanging with a few close friends, I love working with people trying to see how things can be better and more efficient, but my primary state is incredibly passive. Even though I love all the things I listed above, I need to force myself to do them. Cause Ni just wants to be still and play out exciting scenarios.
Trust me, I feel ya ✊
I'm am HSP INFJ. I gotta tell you the only place with lots of people I feel good at are concerts. I've gotten dizzy even in big crowded malls.
Ohhh, I do zone out, too, when I do seemingly Se things, yeah. So far I've noticed I do it, but didn't realize it fully until you said it now. It's like I'm there doing the thing, but I'm not actually there.
As for Fe and Te at social gatherings, I often don't want to be there, unless it's full of intutives 😂 And when it's not, I rarely ask questions because I'm actually interested. It's usually too deflect attention from myself and not look weird at the same time. I'd always prefer one-on-ones ❤
A day without new info and a new insight or a new perspective on sth important is quite a waste. Although I do like ticking off tasks and seeing a tangible result of what Ni and Ti do and I like lists and summaries that I can go to for reminders.
Thanks for the video! These ones feel like home ❤
Welcome home ❤
You’re so good at this thank you!
Thank you 🙏
There's been many times where I would go do something at like noon or 1pm and I am already thinking, "There goes my day, I won't get home until 7-8pm and the day is gone. I really can't do anything before and this event is in the middle of the day. Why?" I don't really drink or go out and drink that much anymore cause my default thinking is, "I have things to do and I don't want to be bogged down with a hangover or not have the energy". This explains in simple terms to non INTJs the issues we go thru even if we create them.
I do like going to sport games or concerts, but I have to mentally prepare myself for dealing with the people in the crowds. Its not that I get anxiety or panic attacks, its I don't want to deal with the random a-holes out there. There's also the factor of getting to the game, parking and tailgating, being at the game, planning when to leave, dealing with traffic to get home, and then unwinding once at home. It becomes an all day affair. If I watch it at home or at a bar, I can do things all the way up to the start of the game, take a break away from the game, and be able to do something else right after or near the end of the game without having any wasted time.
💯, that's why I always ask about the details of a plan before I commit and I've been told by Se doms that it's seen as rude sometimes 😅.
@@apushman SAME
Because logistics suck
INFJ here, I hadn’t really thought of it before but yes this all sounds about right. Often engaging Se feels like a waste of time. I am learning the importance of doing it though. Great video.
The come down! Yes. Best explanation of the struggle of SE.
It's still so funny that I'm not the only person who feels it 😅
The autistic crowd talks about “spoons”. How they only have so many spoonfuls to be able to handle things, then they are out. And it takes time to refill again before they can handle more.
I'm going to use that analogy since it sounds like it's widely used 😂
Thanks for this video, it opens up new perspectives that are rarely discussed in the MBTI community. I found the distinction between being 'low on SE' and anxiety really interesting. Could you, when you have time, dive deeper into the signs and differences between the two? Thanks in advance!
Secondly, I really identify with what you said about INTJs and SE pushing us to crave the same experience repeatedly, whether it’s drugs, alcohol, or pleasure - it’s often all or nothing. But I’ve also noticed that, afterward, when NI hits us with that guilt trip, I/we can suddenly quit those sensory activities cold turkey. For example, we might suddenly eat only once a day, stop drinking alcohol entirely, or never engage in a sensory activity again if we see it as morally 'wrong' in our eyes. Have you experienced this too?
I don't quit anything cold turkey persay but sometimes I punish myself such as going for a long jog after a night of binge drinking (I hate jogging). I think the easiest way to explain the difference between anxiety and low Se is that low Se moments are still bareable, just annoying because I lack the energy. Anxiety is when I don't want to be somewhere because I have a negative physiological response to something.
Ok thank you a lot!!
Infj here. I'm loving ur content so much that I've been watching it for the past 3 days constantly, n that's when I discovered U. I just love how U talk abt all of these things regarding mbti, intj and all. And it's so easy to understand too as I'm sort of trying to get into the cognitive functions. So I just want to express my thanks to U. Rly. It's been a great help and it's fun too all the while. Rly love it ♡♡
Thank you for the support! Cognitive functions is the best part of learning about typology IMO so I'm excited for your journey! Just remember that your MBTI type is only one facet of the whole you and most importantly, have fun 👊
Pretty accurate: Inferior Se is often presented as Sensory Processing Sensitivity, and it's a well described temperamental trait. I, INTJ and Biochemist, dowe into the subject together with my brother, INFJ and Educational Psykologist, in order to understand the mechanisms behind it. Knowing that it's an actual brain wirering phenomena, makes it a bit more relatable to types who to no possess this trait.
Any key learnings you willing to share with the community?
I recommend when you do Se, you also make sure you do Te, and also focus on a task to be completed! I not only go to conventions for the fun, I also make sure I work on what I want to accomplish like doing photoshoots to gain more followers, because Te wants that!
I usually try to attach Se with another function but sometimes, I'm just trying to go with the flow...and I end up regretting it somehow 😂
This is why I pretty much don’t drink any more 😅 this video is great Jon. So on point 👌🏻
I need to stop drinking too 🙃
For me (INFJ-A) it depends on how im feeling at the moment, if im authentically engaged, its all good, otherwise not so much, most often its because I've got other things I'd rather be doing, or the environment/people are not engaging enough for me. Remember though, dont feel too bad about the "inferior" function, its actually quite developed in comparison to things way further down the stack.
Brilliant description! Love the t shirt ( I would put "save water, drink Adam's ale" 😂
It's interesting what you say about Autism. I was assessed for Aspergers 13 years ago ( I don't like the term "diagnosing" as neurodiversity is NOT a disease. )
As an INTJ female and ND neurodiversity ) element, I can completely relate to what you are saying. We are all made up of so many layers. Cultural, family origin, upbring, nurturing, nature, environment, education and personality, interests, neurology, and so much more.
I personally am really happy to be the .8% of rare female INTJ ( Please don't crucify me. Statisticians ), but I am aware that ND makes its appearance in my day, especially in the sensory and social arena. There's a really great UA-cam creator, which I will link, and I'd encourage you to check out his content. He specialises in EQ and is Autistic, I find his presentations very insightful and practical.
ua-cam.com/video/y9bwUb-M1Bg/v-deo.htmlsi=8HMAfwPpsBY6281W
Love your content and your sense of humour 🤣
I have a shirt that says "Save water, drink beer" 😅
The 4th is both fear & aspirational (love/hate as you said it well)
We are all uniques and we have different Se preferences related to our Fi Ni.
_I have to make sure that the Se I engage it, serve my Ni, Te, or Fi - to be fulfilled/happy/satisfied
_There is the unhealthy/immature side of Se, and the healthy/mature side. (I reserve that for future video)
_Maybe the part of us who say "I wasted my time & energy" it's surely because that thing/experience was not aligned with our self (Ni Te & Fi)
I had this feeling too. Maybe it's our "Super Ego" (the internalized parent in our mind criticizing us), that we have to shut-up, be kind with ourselves,
it's ok to enjoy Se, sometimes I want Ni to stop (maybe we may have fed-up to use our dominant function and need recharge it too) - It would be boring, if we were only Ni Te.
For the ones who don't like concerts or party, it's because of our neurological conditions (autistic/asperger/gifted, we may be hypersensitive to certains noises, lights...), and too mature/wise or smart for the parties. Also too much Se shut down our Ni, and we can't function/think correctly.
I love metal concerts when their instruments are well tuned, it heals.
In my 20's, many times I regretted to have been to parties, be outside, go restaurants (waste of time, energy, money, health, I haven't enjoyed it)
I wished I could have been alone, rest or do something I really enjoy alone, or more productive.
I fully get you on that „wasting my time“. Even if you argue I should have an easier time as an INFJ connecting along with other people’s notion of a good time. I personally get often upset after going out with other people realizing that I have wasted my time doing useless stuff, that did not get me anywhere (whatever this is). The best times are the ones where I am in tune with the people around me and I get the complicated stuff across that constitutes my inner world. Flow to me means seeing my Ni unfolding in real time. If the real time activities contradict my insights I tend to feel like I am on the wrong track and should be looking for a way out.
The best remedy to me to get rid of that “wasting my time feeling” is looking for the right people and places to connect with rather than to just withdraw into my Ni-world.
I agree 💯 with your remedy.
Thank you! I enjoy your videos and this one was really helpful, especially today. It's nice to know there really are other people out there, who have a smiliar mental set-up.
You're not alone my friend ✊
I'm an ESTP. Se is a drug to me, too. I'm just highly in control of it. I'm also a writer and I stand up dancing and listening to music while writing 😅 Also, don't feel bad about liking to have some structure when going out. That's just a Thinker thing, I like it as well, just in a very immediate sense, and I do think about how something will affect everything else I'd prefer to do in a day, I'm not just weeee let's go!
So would you say a dominate Se user is microdosing Se? That sounds amazing but almost impossible for me to do 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Haha yes! Perfect!
ESXP types that are into personality types are so cool
Before the pandemic my infj bf had this idea of “going out and do things” 🙄 and I made a rule of max 1 day a weekend as I need at least 1 day to get over it, and no 2 consecutive weekends “doing things” cuz it just felt like frivolous busywork when I could be at home in the sanctity of my own mind. Why do things when I could just, like, not!
Anyway, much earlier I went through a phase of “I’m just as extroverted as you extrovert” where I’d not go home for days. These days Se really wear me out.
I also used to go swim at the pool alone (as exercise) but found it a zen-like experience where I’m in my head. I run Dungeons and Dragons and used my pool time (including the walk to and from) where I’d plan out my sessions. Loved it!
When I engage in Se I try to find positive outcomes of what I'm doing, so that it becomes less waste of time. For example when I play on PlayStation, I like to think that I am improving my Se: my agility, speed etc. 😉 When I binge watch tv series, I think that the story would teach me sth that I can use in life or at least it will broaden my mind. Thank you for a great video 😃
Se is a pain in that is doesn't come naturally, but as I've gotten older I've learned how important balance is and will myself engage with Se. I reframe the "need" as a problem in the sense that if I don't participate in the extroverted sensing world negative stuff is likely to follow (whether that be relational, emotional, etc.). I say "need" because, well it is a need for a healthy person, but it doesn't feel like a "need" to me. So I kinda Te my way to use my Se if that makes sense. I don't directly tell that to people, but it does help reframe it to where this is something I still need to engage in for the sake of myself and those closest to me.
Just navigating the physical world is difficult for me. Infj
i feel so understood
Very Interesting! Inferior Se is something I've been pondering for quite a while now, and most of what you said more or less hit home! When I engage with Se in solitude, whether on a walk or doing something sensory like eating, drinking or showering even, I almost always zone out while being stuck in my Ni world :') I forget that I did something and I'd do it again, or just overdo something without realizing it (Binge eating moment :'D) When I am with someone else? It's another story. It does truly feel like stepping into the world or coming to life, I become so engrossed in the other person with Se-Fe like my life depends on it. It's usually a good time and I imagine the other person also enjoys it, but Unless I tap into Ni during that time, expressing my thoughts and discussing them, I almost always come out of the interaction feeling like my energy was wasted and I'm a little empty :') Not to mention, in heavy Se activities like hiking or exploring or swimming, I feel myself too captivated by Se That I do things in a very... Released manner, often kind of embarrassing but very fun, though I do need to stay at home for quite a bit of time to recharge the Se energy, during which time I'm inclined to Isolate myself :')
Thanks for the video, and I think I saw a spider come down from the ceiling past your computer screen hehe.
Hopefully my cat gets the spider because she's living rent free!
Alright, so being INFJ I too experience allot of what you talked about, and yes, if I don't use enough Ni and more Se, it doesn't feel right. In the moment it feels fun and what not but after it is over, it does feel like I wasted some time, even know I actually didn't. However it does seem a bit different for you INTJs as it does for us INFJs. However, you guys gotta engage your Te with you Se, while we have to engage our Fe with our Se. Also, even though we INFJs are still true introverts, we are also commonly known as the extroverted introverts, and it is true, we are quite a bit more extroverted than our INTJ counter parts but when 2 Ni doms are in the same room, oh the conversations we make. The depth of those conversations matches what we both love, and what we consider to be our type of small talk is still deeper than most because we never make it shallow. Then, we can meaningfully go into our Ni worlds at the same time without interrupting each other.
I do something similar. I justify being social with friends as 'letting Se out to play' so that I can concentrate on whatever I want after baby Se is satisfied 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Yes, I guess only we Se inferiors will understand how it is, no one else seems to get it. Of course using allot of our Se drains us then we gotta Ni recharge. The normal every day stuff seems to be fine.
One of the few I considered my best friend is INFJ and the conversations we have is exactly like what you describe.
We can go from random trivial things like my cats or events at work to deeper discussions then right back to another trivial/ small talk topic, then rinse and repeat.
@@Phillia_crochet Yes, we can start with a topic that is usually a shallow conversation with most others and start gradually making it deeper and deeper or we can just take it immediately to untold depths. I love being around other Ni doms, the surface is too boring for us, as long as we are underneath the surface, we are in our element.
I love what you said about inferior Se. Meditation gives Ni what it needs so that it doesn't just take what it wants. I'm a far healthier INFJ when I stick with my meditation practice.
You made me realize that I meditate without even knowing that I do it 😂
Me going out after staying indoors for a few days: This is great. Can't wait to do this again.
Me when I got home: exhausted and need at least half a day being alone to recharge, preferably one or two day staying at home unless going out almost immediately is necessary.
I also don't do eye contacts naturally but need to be intentional and in moderation or I would unintentionally stare someone down. My eyesight have been declining since I was born prematurely so I have a more difficult time noticing and understanding facial expression but I picked up people's mood based on their voices, noises their movements make and word choices more. It may took me about a dozen of seconds staring to analyze one's facial expressions.
(I didn't get an autism diagnosis because it's not available for adults in my country, but a Schizotypal one instead. It seems to have to do with the social environment I was raised in and my worsening eyesight growing up than developmental issues due to genetics or a combination of genetics and environment, as I don't have issues understanding metaphorical languages nor instinctively/ intuitionally figuring out social norms if I was told or got enough interactions as data. Conforming or not is another matter of Fi. )
The zone is so real. I could recite aloud two full A4 pages of something I memorized and recite frequently (e.e. at least once a day) while taking a shower and feel my mind drifting away contemplating something else. It usually go smoothly without a hitch but if I noticed my mind drifting and pull it back then it took me a few seconds to minutes to continue what I was reciting.
The zoning out you speak of is actually dissociation. Any form of zoning out, daydreaming or forgotten/unexplained periods is you dissociating. Now, the ISTJ organizing the dishes is just OCD. Both dissociation and OCD are trauma responses. Some people think they can't have trauma responses because they don't think they've ever experienced trauma on a big enough scale but even small, unsuspecting things can be traumatic enough to manifest said responses. Having inferior Se, we suffer from performance anxiety. Se likes to give others a good experience. This can range from all sorts of things but the biggest situation is sex related. We hate knowing/feeling like we suck at having sex whether perceived or not. One thing I've noticed with INFJ is that with Fe being relational, when they socialize they prefer that kind of spiritual connection to really enjoy the experience socializing. Since Te is mechanical, we tend to value the opinions of others as long as they're logical, don't interfere with our Fi values and come from a trusted/qualified source ie doctors, scientists etc. A lot of intuitives are neurodivergent, myself included. I was diagnosed with Asperger's. I totally understand the eye contact thing. When others are staring, it's hard to maintain contact but at the same time I psychoanalyze everyone. Their body language, voice, tone etc. Having autism, there's a correlation to having no/low empathy and with being INTJ having Fe blind spot it makes sense. A lot of people don't understand that Fe is empathy and Fi is sympathy. INTJ are by default sympathetic, only. If we are empathetic, it's only cognitive and this is a learned process and not genuine.
- OCD is a direct consequence of having a high Si. It's not a trauma response.
- Dissociation is a direct consequence of having inferior extroverted percieving function (Se, Ne). INTJs, ISTJs, INFJs and ISFJs all have this problem in some capacity. Not a trauma response.
- Aspergers is a direct consequence of being an Ni dom. A lot of INTPs are on the high-functioning part of the spectrum aswell.
- Empathy is directly correlated to having Fi and certain other functions that help you analyze other's emotions. INTJs typically have pretty good empathy as long as they dont shut down their Fi due to depression or being overwhelmed. I dunno what sympathy would be but it sounds like something that you're supposed to show when someone is displaying negative emotions, and INTJs just never do that. It sounds like an Fe thing to me.
- Fe users typically never show any empathy, especially high Fe users. If you see a high Fe user claiming to be empathetic you're either getting manipulated or they're mistyped. Empathy requires cognitive understanding of personal feelings, which is a feature of Fi.
Maybe
@@_Thunderball_ According to psychology, OCD is a trauma response. If you're going to try to school someone, at least know what you're talking about... There's years of research on this. It's not something I made up.
@@BasedGodEmperorTrump Look, you're entitled to believe anything you like, but:
- Traditional psychology assumes people are all largely wired the same and most the behavioral differences are due to the external factors (environment, upbringing, culture, etc) or pathologies.
- Analytical psychology (which MBTI is a branch of) assumes that people are wired differently (most, including me believe that it's genetic), and that most differences in behavior come down to the wiring, not external factors.
If you think that traditional psych is correct then I dont get why are you even discussing MBTI - you should be assuming that it's wrong. These two just have different ways of looking at the same problem.
@@Itsmesmileyface Interesting... I'd like inputs on this idea: I think the feeling functions (Fe,Fi) Don't exclusively represent one terminology or the other. Fi is a deep attunement to one's own emotional state, while Fe Is a deep attunement to other people's emotional states. In that sense, Both functions can have the capacity for both sympathy and empathy, though I imagine Fi's Empathy, while more specific about what circumstances and feelings it'll be able to show empathy to, will be much richer in doing so. While Fe's Empathetic scope is much broader, due to it's ability to intake any emotional state but not necessarily with the depth Fi Is capable of. Think of it as a specialized doctor (Fi) Vs a generalized paramedic (Fe). Both heal, but each having a different scope and intensity :D
I totally agree, I have the same experience.
As an Intj, this really resonated with me. I use a lot of Se during the day (at work, with my friends), but in the evening the Ni comes out and takes over. Of course it's not that two sided, but I try to leave all this sorting out of information about my brain for the evening. That manifests in those things you pointed out: In shower, I do not realise if I already applied shampoo or not, I zone out a lot (even during the day sometimes, if I don't control it), in the evening I'm practically not there, I'm only in my head and if someone tries to talk to me I generate random nonsensical sentences xd. I hate when I don't have any time for thinking, because that leads to an absolute mess in my head and not making full sentences. About the „waste of time“ part, I feel like that too, but on the other side, when I do not engage my Se i feel like I'm missing out on everything. I didn't write any comment on youtube for like 2 years, but I have to make an exception with your channel, because you pretty much sum up not only our experiences but our struggles too damn well.
Welcome back to commenting on UA-cam! You made me realize that I forgot to mention the 'missing out in life' part of low Se when we haven't engaged with it in a while 😅
this is literally for the concert girls (me). i wrote a lot about how relatable this is and deleted it because i noticed how bad my inferior se is💔 i guess that's why i regret a lot and feel so drained... this makes me notice how badly i need to "feed" my Te and making those zoning out moments into actual actionable steps😂❤
Nailed it
I engage my Se a fair amount, but it's always in line with productivity. Sewing = better clothes, better image, so better business/social outcomes. Food-growing = better food, so better health, so better productivity. (And better wildlife-supporting biodiversity, at least on my plot)
A wasted day for me is one spent in shallow conversations that don't advance my Ni projects or general life-schemas. I wonder if you could identify a person's type by what they consider a wasted day?
That's a great question! I'm going to put it to the test next time I end up typing someone 😅
I feel the same, it's almost like guilt but not quite
It feels like guilt 🙃
I like to compare my normal state to the same as when you read to the end of a passage but have to read it over again bc you realized you didn't process the meaning of the words. When I'm in the world I'm preciving whats going on around me but I'm not actually paying attention bc I'm thinking about smth. It's like I see that the words are there and I'm reading them but until I step out of Ni and go into Se I won't understand what the words mean.(the word represents the physical environment)
I like this analogy, it makes a lot of sense ✊
I really enjoy swimming as an INTJ my ESFP friend likes surfing and boating
brooo that's so accurate 😭😭💔
I have noticed that my se is better than my ENTJ friend I was able to pick up on certain things about a person that they totaled missed and didn't see any red flags and there were a lot but the ENTJ totally missed
Did they miss it or just didn't care about it?! I can see this happening in real life because ENTJs really do become oblivious sometimes when they're in full Te-mode 😂
Hey Jon, hope you are doing well. You seemed a little unfocused this video which is something I am very familiar with myself. Like the process when your Ni is telling you something but your Te is still trying to categorize and define it. You may remember from previous comments that I myself very much enjoy my time out hiking trails and such. I noticed how you stated that you enjoy this yourself but are often unaware of the leaves, etc. I wanted to share what seems to work for me in this type of situation to better engage with Se, and that is to bring along a pocket field guide with the goal of learning about a few new plants each trip. It seems to satisfy that goal oriented tendency while helping direct/focus my Se and engaging my Te as well since learning and seeking deeper understanding is a favorite goal. And to add a little boost for my Ni I actively seek deeper reasons of how and why those individual plants exist and interact in their specific environment, looking for connections which may not be so obvious. Just a suggestion of course for you to consider. Be well my friend. 🙂
Yeah, I've noticed that pairing Se with my other top function makes it easier to "engage with reality". I'm trying this new thing where I try to engage purely and only with Se (as unrealistic as that may sound) and see where it takes me. So far it blehh but I'm learning and that's what matters most 😅
It's like a dissociation lmao
Hey Jon! Thanks for the video...and totally resonate with 10:46 lol
While watching this I realised I'd forgotten to put in my contact lenses lol.
All rings very true to me.
What if you didn’t define yourself so completely within this myers briggs frame?? It informs a part of who we are to a certain extent, but what you described for the interaction with your colleagues just sounds like a regular off day when people prefer some alone time ??
Maybe, but what if it's not?
@@justcallmejon22 what if it is. 🤷🏻♀️
The way I’ve always read into these things is if something it describes leaves me with more questions, it’s probably something else. I’ve looked into a lot of these things over the years, I’m just saying. It all helps in our self-understanding along the way, but it’s not some ultimate bible about us.
I know NJs who really love to travel and engage in fine dining, delicious food, and concerts…. But I know they tend to plan that stuff way in advance, rather than go with the flow in the moment, if given a choice. I can see those as positive manifestations of Se + the planning aspect, carving out space for Se time. On the flip side they might sometimes feel bad for indulging in what might be viewed as “meaningless activities.” I have an ESFP and an ENFJ cousin who both like to party and drink. When my ESFP cousin gets trashed, he has a way of hyping everyone up and getting them onboard with the fun and excitement. When my ENFJ cousin gets trashed, to me it feels like it’s sad and more of a downer. lol.😂 I don’t know if that is a result of having Se in different spots, or if it is something outside of cognitive functions. As an INFP, I know it is fine to occasionally engage in Si or Te, but I really don’t want to be in that space too long or too often. No one wants crazy heavy handed Te, telling them that everything they are doing or saying is WRONG!!! And me not caring about offending others… can lead to a tidal wave of wrecked relationships. 😂 And if I am too deep into the Inferior, the usual tunnel vision, black and white thinking, and loss of humor take over me, and the energy feels unstable and uncomfortable… while sometimes simultaneously feeling good, with a kind of raw power surging through…. Then totally wiped out afterwards. 😂
I noticed with my ENFJs that they tend to get lost in their Ni when drunk and Ni can lead to a lot of 'dark conclusions' but i'm usually there o help guide them. ESFPs are just fun to watch because they tend to surprise me in what they end up doing 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Oh, how interesting! Ni guidance for the drunk! …Instead of the typical, physical, let-me-help-you walk and get to the bathroom to puke guidance. lol.😂 I guess there are guides for all sorts of things! So does Ni guidance including steering away from doom and gloom future scenarios? What are Ni dark conclusions?
Can you make a video on Ni vs Si I get confused about my type because of this because N or S is just a dichotomy and its cognitive function which matters.
Been thinking about it but Si is still so weird to me. Check out my videos about Ni, it should be clear afterwards because they act completely different.
I think Ni craves things to process, and when it has been doing that in insolation for a while, the task can become stale. At that point, some fresh Se feels great and gives Ni something to work with again. But too much Se overloads it, so it needs to retreat again and return to that processing state. I also suspect that inferior Se in some ways may be hypersensitive when compared to an Se dom. I require much less Se stimulation to feel satisfied with it, but it doesn't necessarily mean I can't engage it as well in short bursts, but it's not sustainable like a dom and it burns me out.
I agree 💯
To me Si and Ti is weird! Se at least has physical evidence XD
We're all a little mad here 🙃
Oh shit all or nothing with extroverted sensing makes a lot of sense.
No Jon, runners high is not when you space out during the run. It's the good feeling you get once you overcome the initial struggle and get your second wind. I run with my ISTP brother sometimes and this fucker gets it all the time, I maybe got it like 2 times in my life. I just fall back to my Ni when it gets tough to deal with the struggle.
Se will always be an inferior function to us 😅
Is anyone else here an INTJ 8w7?
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Use Se to go out in nature instead of getting drunk. You will not feel like your time was wasted.
I'm questioning whether I was typed correctly as an INTJ because I like to talk to people, but only: a) To learn new things b) To talk about my favorite subjects and future possibilities c) If my gut tells me that the person I'm talking to is someone who partially understands me. Nevertheless, I get my energy from spending time alone, social gatherings that go over 2,5 hours drain me like squeezing a lemon to make a lemonade.
When reading my law textbooks, my mind processes the information I acquired instantly, guessing already "how the story continues", and often times, I am right. I zone out at least 657 times every day, so that the people who are around me tell me to wake up or snap back, because I'm constantly contemplating future scenarios or synthetizing what information I've acquired. I also have terrible short term memory, but I'll remember what you said 15 years ago for example. Despite me being relatively talkative, I'm still socially awkward with little understanding of the emotional signals people, but I think I can read body language fairly well. Also, I plan everything and spending time with spontaneous people makes me extremely anxious, because I need to feed my (I guess Ni?) with input so it can spit out the best way to approach planning a trip, buying a bicycle, doing some task etc. Finally, even though I recognise patterns everywhere, especially in languages, I find it hard to express myself without rewriting or reevaluating every sentence. I feel deeply misunderstood and nobody really knows me, even though I have a small friend group, who I love and appreciate, but I always hang out only with 1 or max 2 people at a time. Even this is draining over 2,5 hours.
I would be thankful, if you could share your thoughts what I wrote.
I wish to thank you from the core of my heart for your final words, it described my dreams and goals so well.
What you wrote sounds really INTJ for me. Read body language is one of the natural abilities of Ni.
Except the part about memory, that is different/unique for everyone.
It's difficult for me to type someone just by reading a post because there are many reasons for why a person does something. For example, someone will say that they only talk to people if they're required to which could stem from 1) social anxiety 2) not caring about social interaction 3) not seeing the other person 4) in a rush most of the time etc. Cognitive functions are internal so behavioral typing doesn't make sense because humans are more complex than only what we can see. I suggest getting typed by someone who has been in the community for a while. I know that's not the answer you wanted but it's the truth. Enjoy the journey, my friend ✊.
@@justcallmejon22 Thank you very much Jon!
@@justcallmejon22 I hate doing that, but I have to 😅: Body and mind are 2 sides of the same entity they work together.
What happen in our mind is reflected on the outside, and vice versa.
Our cognitive functions are reflected, shown, manifested in our behavior. (Behavior which is images, that intuition can interpret)
We can also analyze a text, how the things are said, what the person focus on the most often, and have an idea of their type ^^.
@@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes I don't really agree with this. Human's are able to not act purely on instinct, which instinct is our cognitive functions if we believe in MBTI. That's the biggest difference between a mature adult and a child, the ability to think a certain way or hold a certain belief but not act on it based on the context of the situation. Behavior can be reflected but that doesn't mean that it always does and that's why it's important to get typed by someone so that they can dig deeper and find out the 'why' behind something.