Mesa Boogie Shootout: Stiletto Deuce II vs Dual Rectifier Roadster
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Today we do an in-depth comparison of two yester-year offerings from Mesa Boogie.
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Time Stamps
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0:49 - Unprocessed Blind A/B
1:24 - Ken Burns edition on Mesa Boogie
3:12 - In the mix comparison
4:24 - Closing thoughts
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Raw Comparison - LTD WA-600 straight into identified Amp - E906 mic - UA-710 Mic Pre - Focusrite Clarett 8Pre - iMac - Logic Pro X
In the Mix Comparison - Gibson Les Paul Custom - into amp (exception) Roadster was clean boosted with a Grid Slammer OD (Level: Max - Tone: Noon Gain: Zero).
M80SH On Axis & SM57 Off axis - blended - into UA-710 Mic Pre's.
Both are great sounding amps but that blended tone is amazing.
I know right! Debate is over just use them both!
Not bad, not bad at all. Btw, me and Adam Jones are not boosting recto. Or were not boosting. Mine is stashed away and who knows what Adam did to his recto.
Thanks for the complement! Very interesting - thanks for that bit of info!
i dont boost my dual. i also like spongy and tube. i like it saggy and sloppy.
I as well like the spongy and tube rectification - for 90% of the time- all depends on my mood- haha - boost is really just a preference - thanks for watching and the comment!!
Stiletto Trident Stage 2 purchased :)
Awww heck yea! Hope you enjoy it- remember dialing that amp in is almost counter intuitive from what is considered normal- if you know that going into it- I am almost certain you will be pleased with the tones you can get out of it.
Appreciate the insight my dude!
Just stumbled across this video. I play a Roadster through an Orange 4x12 and absolutely love the tone. I've been telling people about this head for years. Guarantee they'll be extremely sought after in 15 - 20 years. I see them in studios constantly.
Nice! I bet that does sound monstrous. I agree with you on the Roadster being a sought after amp in the coming years. I couldn't imagine parting ways with mine.
clean channel is great as well. never played a multi watt, but the roadster is a total go to for recording.
@@jakebenigni it's got a good clean tone. believe it or not since I posted this I've become a pretty huge Quilter fan. Maybe not for recording, but for a gig I would 1000x recommend looking into one if you're not familiar.
Picking up the Mesa Stiletto Trident 150 this weekend! It’s been retubed with all Mesa tubes. I hope it still has some longevity in it because the guy is giving it away!!
Awesome score man! I still contend that these are over looked amps - just remember dont EQ with your eyes or what is "typical" and you will be very pleased. Tubes are the heart of any amp, so if you got it for a steal, another hundred or even two hundred bucks in tubes will be worth its weight in gold! If you end up making a video or a sound clip let me know - Id love to check it out! Thanks for watching and the comment!
Do you think the roadster would be more versatile then a roadking?
ꓘornhead The Roadking would “technically” be more versatile. As the RK allows you to mix and match both 6L6 and EL34’s. Meaning you could have EL34 powering channels 1 & 2 and 6L6’s for channels 3 & 4- or any combination thereof. With that said, there is a good argument against having too many options? If your needs are to have one amp that could cover as much tonal ground as possible - the Roadking might be worth looking into.
ꓘornhead In short - I feel that the Roadster is every bit as versatile as a RK minus the headache of having to remember and replacing various combinations of power tubes. You’d be hard pressed to be disappointed by the Roadster. Thanks for watching and the question!!
Spearhead Studios Yeah I wanna invest in an amp that will do everything I throw at it because I bought a Marshall silver jubilee not looking into it that much and was pretty disappointed because it didnt have enough options for me right now im thinking about buying either the roadking a triple crown or a stiletto deuce as I think they each have a different sound that I like and Im still not sure but leaning twoards the roadking because it is the most versatile amp they make.
Oh I preferred B
Solid choice!
This is a great video and well done. I've learned quite a bit from this video
Thanks and Im glad it could have been of use- once again apologies for the super late reply! Hope all is well with you and yours.
High quality stuff right there guys. I like these kinds of video so much. Honestly, in the first clip i thought the roadster was amp B as it sounded a little darker to me, trough my speaker. I was please to see the opposite. It just goes to say how versatile the roadster really is. Both amp sounded fantastic, cant really say which one i prefer.
Thank you Marc! Indeed it would be difficult to pick just one. Maybe the perception of amp B being darker could have been from the different mid range frequencies being pushed; which of course could be mitigated by some amp EQ. As I did not EQ these amps to sound like one another - the settings just happen to be what I had on them that day. Thanks again for watching and till next time take care.
Settings on the stiletto? That was a killer sound
Thanks Derek! From looking at some of the passing video work the Stiletto appears to have been set as follows (numbers stated indicate clock position) - Presence: 8 o'clock (almost turned off) Bass: 11 o'clock---- Mids: Noon ---Treble: 1 o'clock -- Gain between 9 and 10 o'clock. Tite Gain selected. Mesa 4x12 was mic'd with a M80SH On axis and SM57 off axis blended. Thanks again for watching and these settings should get you pretty dang close! Take care!
Awesome, thx man! Appreciate it
I don't use a boost with my rectifier,i like it more without
I knew there had to be somebody! Thanks for watching!!
@@Jon_Tate me too... everyone I've tried just makes it sound fizzy...??am I fuckin it up?
@@kalinrose7947 Not really - haha everybody has their own taste for what they are going for. Thanks for watching!
I miss this amp, I tried one early 2000's and its the only Boogie I could really connect with. What new Boog has this same mojo???
If you long for the Stiletto - Id say the new Mark V's would fill that niche - if you are longing for a Roadster vibe= hands down the new multi-watts just crush.
@@Jon_Tate Thanks Jon, after much thought I have decided to just get a 2nd Germino Lead55 LV, a load box, use a boost and roll with it. Plexi experience has paled my need of preamp tube gain amps. I will just cut down on gear as well. The Germino is now 2800.00, so its not cheap, but I will not be without a JMP hi gain sound. Thanks for reply once again.
The Stiletto was the brightest Mesa I ever had. In theory it should have been a perfect meld of Recto and Super Lead. The amp was so loud and so bright even with 4 Gt 75's I couldn't knock the obscene high frequency's down.
Yea - it is borderline gawd awful bright- however - that is a great tool to have on hand if you need a lead or harmony to cut through a dense wall of guitars.
Might not be the most well rounded Mesa out there- but its pretty good though - obviously tone flavors vary.
I had a Roadster in tandem with the Stiletto Ace 50w for a Whitesnake Tribute band. No clean sounds on those gigs. So Roadster on Ch4 for the meat of the sound and for leads, I kicked in the Stiletto. Wicked sounds. You managed to coax some great tones out of these beasts, bro. Appreciate it. Well done, well played.
Thank you Daniel! I bet that was a killer combination!!! Using the grunt of the Roadster and polishing off the high end and mid range punch of the Stiletto. That in itself could cover a ton of tonal ground.
I know that sound anywhere. The Stiletto has that really nice punch. Not that I don't browse used RK2s and Roadsters from time to time.
Haha yea its got some heft to it... The gear addiction and window shopping will never stop- I think it plaques us all- haha
My thoughts?
Great video, killer les paul,and the tune you played at the end sounded brutally tasty.(original?)keep the Awsome videos coming!
Thank you my friend! Yes that would be an original. I am making a more concerted effort to be more consistent on creating content - and not have 9-12 month hiatuses. Thanks again for watching sir!
As a fellow mesa addict..great job
Thank you my friend
I never used to boost my Triple rectifier, I could get some great OD tones with tone tweaking.
Oh for sure- I agree 100% that you can get OD tones with some tweaking - for the masses its simply an easy button in some kind of way. Nothing wrong with using a OD, and nothing wrong with not using one either.
@@Jon_Tate I'm a freak for tone chasing and spending hours adjusting the knobs for that one tone. I'm even worse with delay and echo pedals. 🤣🤣 but an OD also gives it a unique tone so ai get it.
@@felinekaiju4517 Same here my friend - same here- hahaha
Only embers remaaaaaaaaaain.
Cant tell that I am a LoG fan can you? HAHA.
@@Jon_Tate Haha, not at all :)
Good to know man! Was always a bit clueless on these 2 boogies. Thanks for the insight! 🤘
Happy to help!
I don't, "Boost" high gain amps. I add an EQ though.
Nice! Thats basically what's being done on a boost anyhow - it just looks less confusing than a 5 or 10 band EQ. I need to get off my butt and get a EQ just for that reason alone. Thanks for watching!
i totally guessed the amps wrong! thought the first was the stiletto. felt like it was missing the rectifier low end. i play on a revision f dual rectifier
Ah - those darn blind A/B tests hahaha - I get them wrong sometimes too- lol. I bet that Rev F sounds incredible man! Thanks for watching and the comment!
wanted to hear the stiletto boosted but you did not boost it?
Big Mike - Thanks for watching! The reason I did not boost the Stiletto is that I felt that it did not needed to be boosted. There is certainly another level of pissed that the Stiletto gets when boosted. Most folks are familiar with the way a Recto sounds boosted - I wanted to show case what the Stiletto sounded like bare bones compared to the common boosted Recto sound.
I don't use a OD with my Single Rec.....
Single Rec's are killer amps no question - some folks like to use an OD some don't or some dont feel its warranted. Either way rock on and just keep riffing! Thanks for watching.
@@Jon_Tate Cool beings, love your channel
@@TheEarthling78 Thanks and thanks for subscribing!
Do you by chance remember the settings for the roadster? Whenever I dual track mine it sounds like im listening to it through a tube.
There are a few things that could be going on -but first, yes my settings are As follows ( numbers reference clock position).
Ch 4 Modern: Master - 10 o'clock
Presence: 10 o'clock
Bass: 7 o'clock
Mid: 11 o'clock
Gain: 10 o'clock.
Something I will be making a video of shortly is - when dual tracking, slightly alter your amp settings so that way the left and right do not occupy the same frequency space- it doesn't need to be much- but tweak a little bit or use a different guitar/IR/speaker/mic - whatever you have at your disposal. Also if your tuning is not on point this can cause phase issues which can sound like a hollow tube. Its rare but I have seen it once in a blue moon - one can track so tightly that it can cause phase cancellation - thus giving you that hollow type sound.
To wrap up- Id suggest try tracking one pass with Ch 3 and the other part with channel 4 - and see if you have any marked improvement.
Thank you for watching and stay tuned- like I said I am working on a video that addresses this very issue that you speak of.
@@Jon_Tate Thank you! Do you have your channel volume set to a specific setting? Ive noticed that the channel volume will dramatically change how your tone is. Also, do you have it set to the 50 or 100 watt setting?
Also I use a two notes torpedo live when I record. One track is a Mesa 2x12 and the other is an Orange 4x12. Both Panned to around 80% L&R. I think that maybe some phasing might be happening. Im not too sure. It does sound strange sometimes when I dual track like that.
Thanks again!
@@devonkelley5073 Channel volume usually hovers around noon maybe a little shy depending on how hot I am pushing my mic pre. Right or wrong I tend to parallel my master output with my channel output. meaning if my channel output is at 11 o'clock my main output will be at 11 as well. So it kind of depends on how much I wanna piss off my neighbors - but doesn't vary too far from those volume settings. Second answer, is that I keep everything on 100 watts about 90% of the time - for all these videos it is set to 100 watts. The Torpedo Live is nice and I have one as well- the key thing there is to make sure that your mic distance remains the same, when dual tracking. There are some cool effects that can be had messing with different distances but that's a longer convo.
However, you can futz with the side to side position as much as you want. In regards to volume on the Torpedo, I tend to keep it right at the upper levels of the green lights before the red lights kick in.
Hope some of this helps man- in the mean time keep getting after it - nobody is holding keys to the guitar tone castle- hell I am still chasing it myself- just keep on experimenting and tightening down on the process that yields the best results for you. Thanks once again!
@@Jon_Tate Thanks! This help alot. I think the mic distance might be my problem. Both are at crazy different distances. Im going to try and see if that helps. Im just tired of having a good idea, then recording it, and it sounds terrible so I stop. lol Thanks Again!
What channels are the amps on?
The Roadster IIRC is on channel 3 - Vintage and the Stiletto is channel 2 on the "tite gain" setting.
Spearhead Studios ok Thx I thought the roadster was on 4 because everyone always uses the lead channel for rythm which I dont like because I play lots of styyles and want to be able to go from a nice rythm to a lead by the press of a button
@@Person-cv9dj - I myself rarely venture to Ch 4 territory Ch 3 has about everything I could ever want. And with the needs you just described the Roadster would be more than ample to handle that kind of duty.
excellent vid
Thank you! Sorry for the late reply!
amazing video man
Thank you very much.
you are welcome, the mix is so clean i love it
Stiletto all tthe way
Solid choice!
I dont boost my roadster either! In case you wanted know. Nice video!
Good to know!