Revisiting the amp that made me HATE Mesa Boogie
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Remember also that you can set red to vintage on the back and then you have both presence knobs active when in red channel. They hit at different spots in the circuit and are also of different values. The orange presence pot will set the overall brightness of the power amp section and then the red's will adjust the midrange presence.
mine on regular mode has both presences active that said it made a huge difference once i figured that out. so much more control and aggression
shoutout xREPRESENTx, always nice to see straight edge content creators appearing in the algorithm!
thank you for posting this. I’m a drummer first and I played in a metal band in high school - our guitarist had dual rec (can’t remember the exact model) but maaaan the way he had it set up made me despise dual rectifiers. this video definitely changed my mind!
I’m still in the intro of the video but I already know it’s the dual rectifier lol I bought mine too for 1000 bucks in 2017. I had a 6505 plus too and the peavey was way better in my opinion! Anyways never got the dual rec to sound how I wanted :(
Guessed it lol mine was a solo head though
If I'm remembering correctly, when I saw the minor times, both of their guitarists were using dual rec full stacks. One of the loudest and most crushing sets I've ever seen. Tone was awesome.
the tremoverb is my all-time favorite amp. i have two combos and definitely want a head in the future. this one is just perfect sounding.
LMFAO!!!! LOVE THE INTRO....."i've got my old friend stabby here"......CLASSIC!!!!!! That will forever be ingrained when I open a new amp box
Any chance of posting your settings?
Rectifiers with low tunings smash. I’m just not a fan of the 7 string fatter necks… that being said, I do have some 6 strings in A# standard that sound crazy.
Still waiting for that jp2c+ , Remember Mesa you either get it or you don't.
I used to have a 2 Channel Rev G, I miss the fuck out of that amp.
I just have to say that I think I actually have an amp that Kyle Bull doesn’t have yet. I just got delivery of the new MLC Subzero 93 Silenoz. That is all 😂
Badlands. I am at 6:42.
You HATED the Tremoverb? Oh my god instant unsubscribe haha! Glad you got it sorted in the proper direction!
FINALLY Tremoverb gets the respect it deserves!
Thanks a lot. I own this amp but did not know about the trebble on zero trick.
Also did not explore the orange channel as much.
20:36 We Tremoverb fans will be waiting, don't let us down.
Love the zero treble trick, I really like how it opens up the amp. You can then put back the highs by pushing the mids and the presence!
@@FedericoMK I've recently learned how much warmer the amp gets after backing off from the treble also. Sounds massive.
Dude, thats so weird... Im watching this video and immediately after you do your Hulk plastic ripping, it went to an ad that was for a Marvel film so it went directly from your Hulk-out right into the Marvel Studios logo... Very cool. 🤘
The Tremoverb is one of my favorite Rectifiers and was one of the first ones I ever tried growing up. Mind you I didn't even use a boost and I loved it. Glad you decided to give this amp another try!
If a man swinging a stanley knife named "Stabby" whilst wearing a shirt saying "Death Threat" tells you to like and subscribe, you better like and subscribe
I recognize the opening riff to Soaked in Torment from a mile away. A man of culture. Fucking incredible sounding amp.
Sounds killer man! Sometimes learning the EQ is everything. I was about to buy a whole new guitar to get a certain sound (which yea is dumb) found the patience to work with settings and better my EQ and got the tone I wanted. Glad it worked for you this time!
I'm not sure what's going on, but I am slowly becoming a fan of MESA amps now, I fucking used to HATE them as well, but they're slowly becoming one of my favs. Maybe it has to do with the hearing loss over the years, we're getting old.
Great job! The amp sounds like a beast. I just got the JP 2C last month and love it. Wondering if you have yet to try it out?
I wanna love my new jp2c
I’m more of a shredder but there is lots of flub on the low end
@@gitarman666 I run it a few different ways. Either with shred on, bass at 25%, treble at 50% or below, and enough gain for good harmonics or I run bass at 0, treble at 65% and gain about the same. I always run the mid around 35% and EQ1 is scooper but depends more on which guitar I am playing. EQ2 has mids but is still, a bit scooped for solos. The other option is to throw a compressor in front of it. I use the Bogner Harlow pedal. Hope this helps. Also what pickups are you using? I find this amp really brings out the differences in pickups.
Had a Voodoo amps deluxe modded two channel dual rec and it sounded fuckin killer on the orange channel.
I tried a Dual Rectifier when they first came out, in a store in Liverpool...thought it was phenomenal. Subsequently, much later, got a Road King...hated it. Can't remember what I then got, but then found another, in Bozeman, and thought, "Why not?" Then I remembered why when I got home. Replaced that with the Godly ENGL Special Edition.
I had the opposite happen. I bought an Engl SE but didn't vibe with it and traded it for a Triple Rec MW! I think it was too compressed for my taste. The recto sounds more 3D and open if that makes sense? But I liked all the bells and whistles on the Engl
Engl special edition is king !!! \m/
@@josephbutler148 it really is. I’ve recently taken on a Hughes and Kettner Triamp MK3…just waiting to get a Fryette Power Station that I’ve ordered, but up to now, it’s a good amp. Going to need some tweaking, though🎶
@@dominicgibson9529 I had all the triamps the 3 was thick and brutal the 1st was cutting and organic. Didn't like the mk2.
The engl se is better than all the hks. The warpx was good too but the mids kinda sat a little high and were honkey even though it had so much low end.
@@josephbutler148 I must admit I'm enjoying the Mk3 right now. I'm using it with an Axe FX3. If I get my way, I'll do another SE. I actually used my last one with the mother of all pedalboards that I put together which utilized both series FX loops where I sed one as a standard loop, and the second loop had an FM3 put into the Return so giving me the power amp of the SE plus all the amp models of the FM. All controlled by a Boss ES8...it was really something✌
Years ago I had a single rectifier and I didn’t care about it either. I traded it for a Marshall JCM 2000
So glad I found this channel. Instant sub!!
easily the best tone you've gotten on your channel
The tremoverbs imo are the real hidden gem of the Rectifier amps. The only rectifier I've ever owned that I genuinely loved and regret selling.
The "mesa tubes" guys are clueless.
Sounds pretty killer! 🤘The smile on your face when you started riffin' was amazing 🤘
OMG !!! Yes ! The Tremoverb was and still is my first and only Mesa amp in my collection haha . The vintage high gain with a touch of reverb is glorious .
Blues mode with reverb and tremolo for my cleans .
Love that amp . ❤ congrats man . That’s a keeper IMO
I second that bud!
One of the best amps I've heard on your channel. I really dislike Mesa's for the most part, but then I also owned them during a time when I felt like boosting an amp was sacrilege. To this day, I still don't care for the absolutely bonkers EQ that most Mesa's have. I feel like no amp should allow you to clip the preamp into farty garbage like they do, but this amp does sound undeniably great here, and if I got back into Mesa's again, which admittedly isn't going to happen, I'd probably go for this, or a rectoverb, and then boost it. I feel like Mesa Boogie's strength has always been in their marketing rather than their tone. They had 2 big hits in their day, the Mark IIC+ and the original Dual Recs, but aside from those, I feel like everything else has been a bunch of people trying to convince themselves that the "tone" matches the marketing wank, and it never does. The 5150's, the SLO's, the ENGL's, those things have tone for days, and it doesn't take a PhD in electrical engineering and 2 years of experience to dial in the EQ.
This may be the very best description of the mess experience in the 2000’s. I had the exact same experience. NOBODY front loaded their amps when I lived in LA, and everyone played these amps. I always hated them with a passion. It wasn’t until almost 10 years later that a buddy had a killer recording time and showed me how to eq a dual rec and tighten up the tubby ass with a boost. 70% understanding the eq + 30% choice of boost= your dual rec not sucking
I hear you OP. They’re not impossible to dial in, but it feels like walking against a wind storm. It’s a prissy thing, and the amp doesn’t really work WITH the player. That goes for ALL Mesas. That being said as a teenager of the early 00’s the Rec tone is locked in my head so not much else will do for that genre. Though I have mainly used a JMP-1 and Mesa 50/50 together for like a decade.
Also to the other guy : I’ll try a boost for once, lol
I guess I'll never get the Rectifier appeal. Of all the "metal" amps out there, the only one I really like is the Mark II / Mark IV.
I like the PRS amps (even though they're based on the Marshall topology), and the Revvs. However, I'm not a fan of either original or hotrodded Marshalls (which essentially every metal amp is - 5150, SLO, Rectifier, you name it). But that's okay, people like what they like.
Personally, I wish players would consider other amp sounds and other cabinets than oversized Mesas with V30s and create interesting sounds instead of same old. Hi-Gain has just become stale and boring.
Boogie Tubes are just rebranded JJ’s anyway… Boogie matches power tubes in pairs to help overcome bias issues since their amps are fixed Bias. So it helps simplify retubing when you buy from them basically.
Recto sounds great. All the things you describe about them is all the reasons why people both love them and hate them. The amp probably sounds pretty close to the same as it did, but your ears / touch probably changed over the years.
I was I think 28 or so and I saw a mesa single rectifier in guitar center. This was 20 years ago or so. I plugged in and immediately got a semi, but I’ve always been a mid scooped thrash metal dude especially then.
funny thing is that the jet city 100hdm smacks the crap out of a rectifier. ive had early 90s rackmount and head versions as well as a recent one. played dozens of others. i'd take the jet city over them ANY day...except resale value.
Sounds great Kyle. It's fun getting awesome new toys. Congratulations!
Thanks!
Let me just check Reverb here...yep, the value of these just went up 37.82%... Me want.
Me got
This vid reminds me of my first tube amp when in senior high school. It was mesa rect roadking. Thats make me hate mesas amp too...im a dumb LOL...but in the end i keep coming back to marshall and fender amps, back to the roots LOL
Back in 05-06 we had 2 mesa duals hooked up to jcm 900 cabs, side by side, both guitars had emgs. Same exact settings And they sounded completely different they both didn't sound great, but one was definitely worse. Mesa may have have qc problems back then. But I never heard a Mesa that I really liked, unless cannibal corpse were playing them.
Bought combo version today. 2 v30s. No foot pedal. Sounds fantastic. $500…..
I purchased a 3 channels Dual Rectifier (2009) few months ago, and when I plugged it first time, I was disappointed too. Too much muddy low frequencies, with any EQ settings, modern mode impossible to dial with gain more than 2h00, vintage mode on orange and red channels was dull, cleans sounded thin etc. After few days, I found the best way to deal with it : remove all the Mesa crap tubes. I have a very good tubes tester, and all the tubes (5x12AX7 & 6L6GC STR440 Mesa) were out of specs with low current & transconductance values and a mediocre power tubes pairing, despite the fact they were changed few times before the sale ! So I swapped it with a quad of excellent Sovtek 6L6WXT+ and few 12AX7/ECC83 tubes with top notch specs (JJ and some NOS RTC, Dario Miniwatt & Valvo). My dual rectifier has suddenly become a real beast, with a lot more volume, body and less fuzz in the highs, 100% usable gain and EQ, no more muddy lows, harmonious cleans etc. A very new amp in fact ! It's really a pity to have this kind of amplifier with such poor tubes. Now it's a pure pleasure to play it, whereas initially I was like Kyle, on the verge of selling it...
I never use mesa tubes, i use only Sylvania's from the 1970's, they are the best.
xRepresentx? I thought you looked familiar. Pa hardcore...represent.
Thought it was awful til I remembered I was watching at 1.5x speed 😂
8 minute intro
My friend Mike Hasty (Walls of Jericho) has a rev g racktifier that sounds and feels better than the other recs. He swears by using all Mesa tubes and running Mesa EL-34’s to tame the low end. He runs the presence all the way down and using more treble. He said when he visited the Mesa factory in California he asked why there was such a difference between the racktifier and they told him because of the more compact design they used shorter wiring that impacts the tone and quicker response. But yeah Mike swears by only using all Mesa tubes.
Mesa amps sound best with closed cabinets and decent speakers. Triple Rec sounds like ass through a Mesa open back cabinet.
I’d like to something with a crate g600xl with a master effects eqfh pedal
Never played a Mesa Tremoverb. Sounds Sick! I have the most experience with the Mark IV rev B and Triple Rec Reborn. Never selling my Mesa’s! 🤘🏻👍🏻
Tremoverb Always been my favorite Rectifier. Dont know why.
I'm curious, do you intentionally leave in the parts where you restart what your going to say? You don't seem like the type of creator that would miss that stuff in the edit so im assuming its intentional because its not the first time I've noticed it. Adds a little more of a human element to the videos like "hey I still fuck up too, its not always perfect" . I dig it 🤘
It's the same as why UA-camrs clap.
My story is alot like Kyle’s and having owned many 2 and 3 channels versions, still do not like the sound of them. There are some great recorded tones of them.
I wish I had some of the gear that I got rid of because of my limited knowledge at the time.
10:33 yes. I will watch it a hundred times probably. So what?
Racktifier or rev F or Single
man wish it was a Rev F!
I’ve had many many modern high gain amps and have always come back to the mesa rectifier. The owners manual gives you a good start to tweaking , especially with the funny way the presence knobs interact.
Ya get the Quality tou pay for.... It's alot cheaper for a Reason. I poor & I don't use anything but top shelf cream of the crop. Boogie MK Series are only Boogie's I will use. Bpackstar HT & PRS AD Amp's & Boogie MK'w are all I use. 👍
this comment is nonsense
It's an open secret that the tremoverbs are the best sounding rectos! 🤘
@17:00,,HOLY CHIT! that sounds bad a$$
Wow some bad edits dude
I'll try to make them worse next time
sick tones man, love my tremoverb!
Ask a guitar amp repair guy why he hates Mesa amps.
Fuckin knew it
I've always found it kinda funny how as we grow as players our opinion of gear changes drastically. I've always thought most of the disagreements on gear stem from the different places guitarists are at musically. It's all about what you ask your gear to do....what does it have to have...how it affects your playing....knowledge of support gear in the case of this amp...it all just adds up.
It's possible! Though I still love 5150s more than anything! Lol
Prince used a Mark IIC+ & it made me want a Boogie but I couldn’t dial a metal or clean tone I liked so I never really got into them.
the mark series have to be dialed in a certain way for metal. you engage the graphic EQ. look up how John Petrucci and Metallica does it and you’ll see.
@William When I grab another some day I'll definitely take that into consideration. I know some people can dial in amps easier than others. People freak a cow over the killer tones I get from my JCM stuff. So yeah you're probably right.
Thanks 🤘
Tremoverb????
Trem o verbs rock! Your crazy.
Fireball 25?
That is the most intense thumbnail in existence
I haven't seen which amp yet. I'm one of those guys that doesn't like the rectifier amp so much. Before I knew about boosting the front end, I had a client bring one in. I found it to be tubby and scooped sounding the eq worked weird. Fast forward a decade, I've come to enjoy the rectifiers now that I understand them much better. Credit to fluff for painting a better picture and helping me understand how to use the amp.
Oh haha I just got to the part of the video you're talking about the same issues I was having. But I think I missed what amp you're talking about because I was typing lol.
No telling which one it is but I'm gonna guess its not a rev g.
Damnit I should said it. Tremoverb
I used to have a tremoverb! It was a reshelled combo that I got for 600 bucks, and like an idiot I sold it 😭
Sounds kinda flat and mid rangey (too compressed)...The mark mesa's sound better imo...This sounds like a loud practice amp, not a real, full sized amp.
You have to do tremo vs multi now! :)
I’m not sure I’ve heard a bad mesa the 90’s rectos aernt my favourite but still good once you tighten the fizzery
i love how sloppy the editing is in this
That sounds like 90's
Love your riffs. We should write some music together. I played drums for Stife for 20+ years. Lemme know if you’re down.
You mean Strife? Love Strife! First saw them back in '98!
Sorry fat finger. Yes strife
With all those amps and cabs you have, you should definitely start making Quad Cortex, ToneX and Neural Amp Modeler packs to sell! Kemper packs could also be a thing, but seems like many have sold their Kempers in favour of ToneX or Neural Amp Modeler (since both are free and higher quality than Kemper). Cab IRs could also be profitable, but you would also need a pretty good assortment of mics for that. The regular ones such as 2xSM57 (for Fredman technique), SM7B, MD421, C414 (or Austrian Audio OC18). For ribbons the R121 should be enough, but the Beyerdynamic M160 and SE Electronics VR1/VR2 are also a popular for recording guitar amps and IRs with. Selling digital stuff like amp captures and IRs is pure profit! This way you can still earn money on gear that you've sold long ago.
Unpopular opinion the 2ch Duals and Triple's, literally so sound better out of the box boosted and unboosted over the newer Multi Watt Rectifier heads. I've owned both, my 98' Triple Rectifier Rev G head fully retubed. Outshined my 2017 Dual Rectifier head unboosted and boosted, like there was no comparison.
T-verb and multi-watt triple are my favorite rectifiers.
I don't know much about Dual Rectifier models but I'll guess like an early 2000s model?
I was going to say 3 channel Dual. Wrong! And then I accidentally hovered my mouse over the timeline, saw it and i was like "oh, it's a Rect-O-Verb"! Still wrong! Best of all, I saw this amp the other day on another one of your videos. I'm such a doofus.
Gah! Wish you bought mine, though I’m asking $2200 for mine. But she’s pretty minty. Only selling it cuz I want something with a built in IR loader and reactive load for silent stage. So looking at bagging a badlander, Engl ironball or revv g20.
I remember my first dual sounding like total S. Then I remembered that all I had back then was a crappy Marshall cab with g12t75 in it. 🤦♂️. Didn't even know about boosts either, but that was almost 25 years ago, so I'll forgive myself now. Lol
Had the same issue when i bought my first Mesa back in 2008. Purhcased a Dual Rec Roadster 2x12 combo for 2400 brand new.At the time it was hailed as the jack of all tones amps.Plugging in i found a very good ch.1, ch.2 on brit mode sounded awful, and ch.3+4 were way to woofy and dark. I was severely disappointed. Over the next few months i was able to coax some better sounds out of it yet was still feeling like i messed up. What brought the amp to life was adding a MXR10 Band EQ in the loop and a boost out front. That was the sound i was looking for. Tight, aggressive, just huge sounding. Switched a few boosts over the years and currently using a Precision Drive by Horizon Devices and very happy with it. Would love to get my hands on that Deadweald Duality though,,sounds menacing !
Look into learning some Fear Factory, Divine Heresy, Nevermore, for 7 string! It’ll be a good start
I bet you were using a poop cab, no boost and not so metal kind of guitar back in the day. Mesa do take a dive into the three channel series where they become farty and floppy, so there is a sort of sweet spot for mesas
I remember being 16 in 2006 and trying a Dual Rec at guitar center for the first time and being like LOL WTF this thing sounds flabby as hell. Had no idea how to dial one in.
Then again my favorite amp by far has always been a VHT/Fryette Pittbull 50CL, which is quite different from a Recto tone.
Tried a mesa boogie Triple rectifier in this guitar store around 2009-2011 year was somewhere around there and it sounded nothing like what people on UA-cam make them sound like.
i know now the EQ on mesa is unlike other amps the bass on the amps should always be pretty low at least from what I seen.
Now that i know that i wanna give the mesa amps another try i wanna try the dual recto and i wanna try the Badlander 50W head really bad
Heading to GC sometime today or tomorrow hoping they have one tp test out.
Tremoverb is amazing . Regret selling mine . It was my favorite until I got my Hermanson dual rec
I thought it would be a Roadster. That was my first Rectifier, and I did not like it at all. I found it on a local listing for $1300 with the slant cab, and I offered him $800 for the head (should have just got the cab, too). That one had =C= EL34s, and it sounded really tame and muddy. Shortly after, I found a 3ch Triple with some nice extras for $1k, and I still have that amp because of its much more aggressive character. I also found that I do not like EL34s in Rectifiers. I tried some E34Ls in my Triple and almost sold it until I put the stock Mesa 6L6s back in. I would like to revisit the Roadster for that reason. I could have tried the 6L6s in my Triple in the Roadster, but didn't think of it at the time since I was set on selling the Roadster. I would also love to try a 2ch Rectifier some day. Great video! 8)
Great video! I have had and still have quite a few amps but have never been willing to lay out the dough for a Mesa. Always wanted one and it's not like a can't
afford one, it's just one of those things where I see $1200 and $1500 and I just can't do it. LOL. I play in a band and we play out a lot but we aren't ever going
to play in an auditorium or open for Metallica. My two workhorses are my JCM 900 and my EVH Iconic. Both of which cost about as much as a used Mesa.
That is what is funny, I've laid out the cash before for amps, something about Mesa that makes me back off. I guess if I found one for 6 or 7 hundred I would
probably do it. Your rig sounds amazing bro.
If that chorus pedal has two outputs put a modded Marshall type amp on one output and the recto on the other boost the temoverb with an SD1 and the Marshall with something more transparent crank them up adjust the chorus to taste probably want the Marshall a little louder and the effected chorus signal feeding the boogie play some John Sykes Whitesnake riffs and try not to grin Quick Duck ! Panties are headed straight for your teeth then a bra and more panties lol .
You’ve probably already done this setup before but it works surprisingly well with even the cheapest of chorus pedals as long as it’s a “stereo” chorus I was surprised how great my dsl20 and Rectoverb 25 blended with a 20 dollar behringer chorus no need for an ABY box if you’re going to leave the chorus always on and you will.
SOAKED IN TORMENNNNT
I have a love-hate thing with Rectos. Really needs the right boost for my taste (I'm into death metal and grindcore) and you gotta hit the bullseye with the EQ settings, or it'll sound all mushy and lacking the top end bite. Plus, it really has less gain than I expected. Gain at 4 or 5 is perfectly reasonable for the br00tal, low tuned death metal tones with the likes of 5150, VH140C, Crates, Diezels, etc., but Rectos have to be pushed way harder to get as much saturation and compression.
I owned a Tremoverb Rev G (from 1994) in the past month. It's great! But if you're so happy about the very tight low end, you have a Rev F . Thats my guess. Tell me if i'm right pls.
Could you possibly compare this to the Quad Cortex version of this amp? I was excited to use this amp model but I can’t seem to figure out how to make it sound good. Does it compare at all? My friend has a triple rec that I wasn’t in love with until I put a Fortin Grind in front of it. I probably just have no idea how to dial in a Mesa… Teach us! Thanks!
Sounds good! I am not to much of a dual rectifier fan myself but that is because they cost about 3000/4000 euro's over here. Not even an option and not worth the money. I'll prefer a nice Engl which are very expensive on your end of the ocean.
Hey Kyle did you compared the ToV to the Single Rectifier that you have? I want a middy, sludgy, pissed of Recto tone to play some tunes in drop D and C# but i can't justify 100w for home use.
I didn’t really like the tremoverb… but I love the 2 channel triple rectifier. All mesa’s have this way high hz fizz/sizzle that’s been kinda driving me crazy lately.