The context for this is that Ren ran a kind of treasure hunt over a couple of weeks, leading up to the release of the Sick Boi album in October. It was all based around the 7 Sins. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of his fans worked together to solve clues. There was a cash prize for solving the clues to each Sin. The finale involved a suitcase of money, and the choice what to do with it. This video was played at the end.
I have watched about every Ren reaction out there but just discovered yours, and I enjoyed them more than most others I've seen. I love that you are able to catch so much, even in a first pass, and your insights and interpretations are really intelligent, and you've got such a great energy. I've subscribed now just based on how much I enjoyed your Ren videos so I can make sure to catch your other content. I look forward to going through and hearing your poetry. Please do more, Ren!
I enjoy your content. This video is no different. But it still boggles my mind that people take the words of a book written by men who were uneducated shepherds and fishermen who didn’t know where the sun went at night as fact. A book that religious leaders unilaterally decided to leave books out of it like the gospel of Judas and the gospel of Mary Magdalene. And even ordered them destroyed. For me the Bible and the god myth lacks even a modicum of logic and reason. And I am one who went to church at least once a day almost every day I went to school for 7 years. Theology class every day as well for the same amount of time.
I loved your reaction. Your knowledge of the scriptures was really impressive. Ultimately, whilst you may be right about the misinterpretations that Ren may have made around who lied in the Garden of Eden, they are perhaps less important than the broader picture he was painting, and the conclusions that he was reaching. I enjoyed seeing you smile at the truth of the social commentary he was making. There is very little that you, or many of us, would argue with. I loved this as a stand alone piece of art but I have also added some of the context for it in another comment. Thank you for your thoughts on this.
The thing i liked best about the whole complex system of games,videos, solutions and dilemnas is that says that it was the most exciting, rewarding, creative thing he has evet done, working only with his team of friends and his animator. And it had nothing to do with music. He has a twitch stream Ict 14th, i think,in which he discusses the process with fans. I love this guy so much.
Like people have said this was based on a treasure hunt with 7 clips all ending up in an fake livestream where this video was played at the end. Ren also uploaded a compilation of all the clips on his RenMakesStuff channel ua-cam.com/video/UFVRI2ilqpg/v-deo.html
The long video of Lady Gaga's Born This Way is probably an influence. The woman's voice is similar and some of the imagery is very close, and the overall theme of questioning the role and identity of the "bad". Your idea that biting the apple is transformative because it is the first experience of making a bad choice is very insightful. That is great. My feeling is that the apple was an initiative test and Adam and Eve passed. I like the Carl Jung view (his book Answer To Job) that God is evolving through us. God made life as the food chain which is pitiless. Humans are the growing point, the new leaves where God becomes compassionate. We couldn't do that if we didn't eat the apple and learn how to make our own choices and develop our conscience and consciousness.
If God gave free will to Adam and Eve, and also placed a tree of good and evil in their vicinity, there is for sure that, on a long enough timeline, either of them would try to eat from the tree. It is in the definition of the free will. An omniscient God knows this, also by definition. Take whatever takeaway you want from this.
God’s command for man was to be fruitful and multiply the earth and have dominion over the earth. They started in the garden, but in order to fulfill God’s command, they’d have to venture beyond the garden they were initially tasked with cultivating. The garden could therefore be considered a temporary training ground of sorts for man rather than an eternal test for them. I hope that helps Edit: in addition, it is also possible that if Adam and Eve chose to obey God, when the serpent initially tempted them, then that would’ve been the only test they would need to pass before God decides to remove the tree of knowledge. Either way, it wouldn’t be an eternal test that they would eventually fail
@@YoungbloodPoetry let's assume you are right and the Eden is a boot camp for humanity. There is no reason for Adam and Eve to ever leave the Garden, even if their children are to leave and populate the Earth. Besides, it is beyond my point. Free will grants capability of defying God's orders, hence it is inevitable for those orders to be defied. From Adam and Eve, or from George and Melissa, it does not matter. The main question here is about free will. Does it exist, and what are the consequences of either case. Nevermind. Keep up the good work, I really appreciate fresh and new takes on the music I like. I think it is important to LISTEN to all possible interpretations of a song so we can have a deeper understanding! Best of luck!
Lucifer is not lucifer. Lucifer is not Satan. Satan is not the snake. Shining one in Hebrew was translated to lucifer in Latin. Both were seen as a name referring to either the planet Venus or the king of Babylon. Later, lucifer was capitalized to Lucifer and became a name for the fallen angel. Until much later translations and interpretations, there was no Lucifer persona. Further, even when Lucifer was first seen as the fallen angel, he was not deemed to be one in the same as Satan. Further, there is only one mention in the original Hebrew translations that mention Satan as a name. That was in passages relating to David. All other mentions are actually uses of satan as a verb or s a title. The snake wasn't Satan himself. Rather the snake was "the satan". More specifically, it was his job to oppose. It wasn't until much later in history that all of these mentions then got translated as Satan (proper name).
The thing I truly have an issue with when it comes to religious beliefs is not that I don't believe in Jesus or God. It's that I don't believe that God who created us, and who knows exactly what we will do, would condemn us to a fiery pit of hell for eternity for breaking these laws or doing these sins witdoubt postulating and bowing at an alter. To me God is a father. Jesus is a brother. And even in the Bible, it tells you to have your own personal relationship with the higher power, not to bring it out into the open and pray in the open when you are praying for yourself but to pray in a closet away from the world. And as a father I also believe that God wants to see us succeed. So why would he be so black and white, he created us he knows us. The other issue I have is you have a God, afather type figure, You have a son, but where is the rest of the family? Where's the mother? Are you saying that the mother is a holy ghost? Or are you condemning your higher power to a life in the afterlife with no love? I would think if we are imaged in our creator In our natural state that there would be a family not just a son and father That there would be a mother and maybe even a daughter. Otherwise, what I believe might just be more accurate which is that God. Our creator is an energy and doesn't have a gender per se. I mean, how do you put a gender on the wind? As far as I know, when Moses met the burning bush, the burning bush did not say I am God. The burning bush did not say I am he. The burning bush said I am who I am, or I am that I am, depending on what translation you use. How are we so arrogant as to put a gender on the wind...and if, as many religious people believe, we are in end times does it not say that we will not be able to read the bible? Previously the way that I interpreted that was that perhaps the bible would be banned or burned and gone but Lately I have begun to understand just how many people have had their hands In the book in the translation of the multiple different translations Look at the books that were left out. How come we don't get a book from Judas? How come we don't get a book from Mary Magdalene? I am starting to believe that the reason we won't be able to read the Bible is not because it won't be available, but because it has been so messed with that the messages are now not as clear as they should be. For who are we to leave Judas out when Jesus himself even knew and forgave Judas for his crimes before it even happened. We like to forget that the Bible was written by man generations after Jesus and Moses were gone, we also like to forget that it was written by man. It was not found by some holy way. I5 didn't come down from the sky and was written by God for us. It was written by man, and the man is fallible. That's why we sin right, so putting putting our absolute faith in a book that is written by man instead of following what is inside us instinctually seems to me to be the wrong way to look at it, but that's just my own opinion.
I’ve read the Bible twice from cover to cover and many other times read sections and passages. Read Animal Farm. Don’t just “think” you know a lot about it.
I really would like to spread the message of this vid, but I live in Germany and most of my friends and family need german subtitles to understand. I patiently wait for the subtitles. I could translate, but I can’t make subtitles by my own…🤷♀️
I wish there was a tool on youtube to switch the subtitle to your own language. I'm not sure of a way to get German Subtitles or other language subtitles as options for my viewers to select.
Question about the garden if you have a toddler, and you tell that toddler not to touch something. What is that toddler by nature going to do if we believe that Adam and eve wouldn't previous to eating the knowledge? Fruit had no knowledge. They were just like toddlers, basically. How do you tell a toddler not to eat something? And then just expect that they won't eat it. I really have to agree with ren. On the fact that God being all-knowing knew that the devil would tempt eve knew that even Adam would eat the apple. Otherwise god is not an all knowing god. God could have totally surpassed any of that by not placing the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden. As a father, if your child breaks curfew, do you put them on restriction for the rest of their life? As a parent if your child were to eat Is the chocolate cake on the table after you told them not to are you truly going to be mad at that toddler and condemn them to a burning pit of hell for eternity? I'm sorry. I believe that my father in heaven is a loving kind. A father and as the father that knows all ahead of time is not going to do. These things and to believe that about are creator is kind of I don't know disrespectful if you ask me, same With denying God, the father a mother to share the afterlife with. I guess I just see the world and the higher powers totally different. And I really can't put my face in a book that has been translated and messed with so many times faith is not like belief, you can believe in something all you want and it'll never come true. Faith comes from knowledge and I have faith that my father inhabitant forgives me of all of my sins without me. Needing to bow at an altar Or do multiple hail mary's and stuff to make up for me being human. I can get behind spirituality. I just can't get behind religion. The religion has created quite a divide between many definite nations if we took religion out of the picture in the world. I guarantee you the world would belete violent. Even christians with their crusades have become violent in the name of a loving higher power. I don't think that's what our higher power wanted.
Although, I still have to question how the 'all-knowing' couldn't have seen the events before they occurred; & (as any parent would) interjected...as an act of mercy...
I dont get that angle either. Also just the fact that they werent going to age and die before they sinned, and so yes, they were condemned to death, just not immediately. I can't quote the scripture, but somewhere, it says that for GOD it is impossible to lie.
Obviously it isn't the original wording, but "now you're going to die" does sound like a fair description of suddenly becoming mortal. I don't think that lesson resonates with the original context at all, but I also don't know enough to say nothing is there.
The thing that gets me about the Tree is, why was it there if God didn't intend for them to eat from it eventually? An all knowing god would know that given eternal life, one of them would eat from it eventually. I fully believe that God saw the tree as an indicator for when A&E were ready to strike out on their own in the world.
I understand. The way I see it, even with God being all knowing, the tree still served the purpose of granting people the choice of honoring God or not honoring him. Without that choice, he’d be eliminating any chance of free will to actually choose him. That wouldn’t be love, as love requires choice. It would be more like an obligation to honor him like robots. As for Adam or Eve eventually eating from the Tree of Knowledge due to their immortality, there is reason to believe from other verses in the book of Genesis that God intended for them to advance beyond the garden to populate the earth, which would therefore mean that the Tree would not be an eternal risk for them. The Garden, in a way, could be interpreted to be a sort of training ground for how they are to take care of the whole earth. I’m glad you brought that up and I hope my response doesn’t seem come across as an intention to argue. Thanks for watching my video. I appreciate the support
I enjoy your breakdown from a biblical perspective. I think you missed what might be the most important point. Ren says that God was lonely. This is incorrect in at least two ways. If God were lonely it would indicate God had need or at least is not complete without His creation. Also the theology of the Trinitarian nature of God teaches that God exists eternally in a perfect loving relationship and that this constitutes the fundamental nature of God of which humans are the image. I have listened to and loved a lot of Ren's music and I think whenever he talks about God his perspective is flawed because he does not understand of accept the Trinity.
Yeah I forgot to address the lonely point. Thanks for reminding me. And yeah in the book of Genesis, God says “Let US make man in our image.” Which suggests that he wasn’t lonely because although he is singular, he is also plural. Further passages in the Bible explain that though God is one, He is also 3 (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). So yeah, loneliness doesn’t explain his reason for making man
@YoungbloodPoetry Wow....I really struggle with how naive so many people are. Without exhaustive proof no-one "knows" if there are gods. Seemingly, the belief of most people who follow a religion ignores or discounts verifiable scientific data...even to the extent that its like they metaphorically plug their ears and say"la la la" It's just odd that stories written by man to control others are referenced as "proof"(I am not only talking about the bible here....which could only be classed as the greatest selling fiction book of all time) Ren doesn't have any misconceptions in this, he has a different interpretation to you, which is as valid as anyone's. It could be said equally that(and I don't know your background so this is a stretch and I apologise if incorrect) because you like many have been brought up to believe, and have studied the bible with that belief remaining intact, you have, as you put it the misconception, but even then what you actually have is YOUR interpretation. I personally am as you may have surmised, an agnostic athiest(ie I do not believe God's exist, but I can't prove it) as opposed to anyone unlike me...who like yourself are agnostic believers/theists(ie you believe there is a god, but can't prove it) Where Ren really hits with this is in bringing it down to humanity and our choices. Unfortunately, there have been choices made for millenia(within and without religion)based upon the human condition of greed...to profit or control, to dominate and devastate....
Wish I had seen your reaction sooner! Thank you for a thoughtful intelligent explanation of what the Bible actually says. I see many Ren fans with high praise for the video. As a Christian I have a hard time getting past his version of Eden and a lonely, questioning God. But the social commentary is spot on.
The context for this is that Ren ran a kind of treasure hunt over a couple of weeks, leading up to the release of the Sick Boi album in October. It was all based around the 7 Sins. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of his fans worked together to solve clues. There was a cash prize for solving the clues to each Sin. The finale involved a suitcase of money, and the choice what to do with it. This video was played at the end.
When you said "alot of what we know about lucifer" like a historian I almost died
I have watched about every Ren reaction out there but just discovered yours, and I enjoyed them more than most others I've seen. I love that you are able to catch so much, even in a first pass, and your insights and interpretations are really intelligent, and you've got such a great energy. I've subscribed now just based on how much I enjoyed your Ren videos so I can make sure to catch your other content. I look forward to going through and hearing your poetry. Please do more, Ren!
I enjoy your content. This video is no different. But it still boggles my mind that people take the words of a book written by men who were uneducated shepherds and fishermen who didn’t know where the sun went at night as fact. A book that religious leaders unilaterally decided to leave books out of it like the gospel of Judas and the gospel of Mary Magdalene. And even ordered them destroyed. For me the Bible and the god myth lacks even a modicum of logic and reason. And I am one who went to church at least once a day almost every day I went to school for 7 years. Theology class every day as well for the same amount of time.
I loved your reaction. Your knowledge of the scriptures was really impressive. Ultimately, whilst you may be right about the misinterpretations that Ren may have made around who lied in the Garden of Eden, they are perhaps less important than the broader picture he was painting, and the conclusions that he was reaching. I enjoyed seeing you smile at the truth of the social commentary he was making. There is very little that you, or many of us, would argue with. I loved this as a stand alone piece of art but I have also added some of the context for it in another comment. Thank you for your thoughts on this.
Indeed. His core message was awesome and I hope we can all learn to do our part to make the world better
Hexenkind1 has all his games/videos that led up to this final video!
Like 20 or so videos of all games/riddles!
Also, Rikashae has videos of each day showing how they were solved. Made me feel really dumb, but loved seeing how everyone figured them out.
@@MoreKellBellPlease Didn't know that! Tanx!!! 😀
@woodywoodman2319 no problem. Was super cool to see how to get the answers! Way over my head but so interesting!
@@MoreKellBellPlease Right... I gave up adter the first one! Lol
I always really appreciate your videos, totally unique in terms of reaction channels in how you approach it. Good stuff man keep it up
The thing i liked best about the whole complex system of games,videos, solutions and dilemnas is that says that it was the most exciting, rewarding, creative thing he has evet done, working only with his team of friends and his animator. And it had nothing to do with music. He has a twitch stream Ict 14th, i think,in which he discusses the process with fans. I love this guy so much.
Thank you for sharing your well spoken, and well educated thoughts and opinions on this, i appreciate the fuel for contemplation
Loved your reaction! Loved Ren's video Eden! 🎉😊
Like people have said this was based on a treasure hunt with 7 clips all ending up in an fake livestream where this video was played at the end. Ren also uploaded a compilation of all the clips on his RenMakesStuff channel ua-cam.com/video/UFVRI2ilqpg/v-deo.html
ren is truly a genius 🙏
I didn't enjoy u trying to correct someone else's interpretation of a story but appreciate ur reaction to our sick boi!
Thank you.. 🙏🏻🫶🏻🙏🏻
The long video of Lady Gaga's Born This Way is probably an influence. The woman's voice is similar and some of the imagery is very close, and the overall theme of questioning the role and identity of the "bad".
Your idea that biting the apple is transformative because it is the first experience of making a bad choice is very insightful. That is great.
My feeling is that the apple was an initiative test and Adam and Eve passed. I like the Carl Jung view (his book Answer To Job) that God is evolving through us. God made life as the food chain which is pitiless. Humans are the growing point, the new leaves where God becomes compassionate. We couldn't do that if we didn't eat the apple and learn how to make our own choices and develop our conscience and consciousness.
If God gave free will to Adam and Eve, and also placed a tree of good and evil in their vicinity, there is for sure that, on a long enough timeline, either of them would try to eat from the tree. It is in the definition of the free will. An omniscient God knows this, also by definition. Take whatever takeaway you want from this.
God’s command for man was to be fruitful and multiply the earth and have dominion over the earth. They started in the garden, but in order to fulfill God’s command, they’d have to venture beyond the garden they were initially tasked with cultivating. The garden could therefore be considered a temporary training ground of sorts for man rather than an eternal test for them. I hope that helps
Edit: in addition, it is also possible that if Adam and Eve chose to obey God, when the serpent initially tempted them, then that would’ve been the only test they would need to pass before God decides to remove the tree of knowledge. Either way, it wouldn’t be an eternal test that they would eventually fail
@@YoungbloodPoetry let's assume you are right and the Eden is a boot camp for humanity. There is no reason for Adam and Eve to ever leave the Garden, even if their children are to leave and populate the Earth. Besides, it is beyond my point. Free will grants capability of defying God's orders, hence it is inevitable for those orders to be defied. From Adam and Eve, or from George and Melissa, it does not matter.
The main question here is about free will. Does it exist, and what are the consequences of either case.
Nevermind. Keep up the good work, I really appreciate fresh and new takes on the music I like. I think it is important to LISTEN to all possible interpretations of a song so we can have a deeper understanding! Best of luck!
Thanks for the reaction.
Lucifer is not lucifer. Lucifer is not Satan. Satan is not the snake.
Shining one in Hebrew was translated to lucifer in Latin. Both were seen as a name referring to either the planet Venus or the king of Babylon. Later, lucifer was capitalized to Lucifer and became a name for the fallen angel. Until much later translations and interpretations, there was no Lucifer persona. Further, even when Lucifer was first seen as the fallen angel, he was not deemed to be one in the same as Satan. Further, there is only one mention in the original Hebrew translations that mention Satan as a name. That was in passages relating to David. All other mentions are actually uses of satan as a verb or s a title. The snake wasn't Satan himself. Rather the snake was "the satan". More specifically, it was his job to oppose. It wasn't until much later in history that all of these mentions then got translated as Satan (proper name).
My Guy!!! That SH!t U spit @ the end, FIRE!
Thanks so much. I hope you enjoy the full Christmas poem
The thing I truly have an issue with when it comes to religious beliefs is not that I don't believe in Jesus or God. It's that I don't believe that God who created us, and who knows exactly what we will do, would condemn us to a fiery pit of hell for eternity for breaking these laws or doing these sins witdoubt postulating and bowing at an alter. To me God is a father. Jesus is a brother. And even in the Bible, it tells you to have your own personal relationship with the higher power, not to bring it out into the open and pray in the open when you are praying for yourself but to pray in a closet away from the world. And as a father I also believe that God wants to see us succeed. So why would he be so black and white, he created us he knows us. The other issue I have is you have a God, afather type figure, You have a son, but where is the rest of the family? Where's the mother? Are you saying that the mother is a holy ghost? Or are you condemning your higher power to a life in the afterlife with no love? I would think if we are imaged in our creator In our natural state that there would be a family not just a son and father That there would be a mother and maybe even a daughter. Otherwise, what I believe might just be more accurate which is that God. Our creator is an energy and doesn't have a gender per se. I mean, how do you put a gender on the wind? As far as I know, when Moses met the burning bush, the burning bush did not say I am God. The burning bush did not say I am he. The burning bush said I am who I am, or I am that I am, depending on what translation you use. How are we so arrogant as to put a gender on the wind...and if, as many religious people believe, we are in end times does it not say that we will not be able to read the bible? Previously the way that I interpreted that was that perhaps the bible would be banned or burned and gone but Lately I have begun to understand just how many people have had their hands In the book in the translation of the multiple different translations Look at the books that were left out. How come we don't get a book from Judas? How come we don't get a book from Mary Magdalene? I am starting to believe that the reason we won't be able to read the Bible is not because it won't be available, but because it has been so messed with that the messages are now not as clear as they should be. For who are we to leave Judas out when Jesus himself even knew and forgave Judas for his crimes before it even happened. We like to forget that the Bible was written by man generations after Jesus and Moses were gone, we also like to forget that it was written by man. It was not found by some holy way. I5 didn't come down from the sky and was written by God for us. It was written by man, and the man is fallible. That's why we sin right, so putting putting our absolute faith in a book that is written by man instead of following what is inside us instinctually seems to me to be the wrong way to look at it, but that's just my own opinion.
Well said, I've a different outlook on things to you but I wholeheartedly agree with your perspective on the bible and its reliability for anything
Love this video.
As a fellow believer, I have been curious to see a “reaction“ for this video. ♥️
you sayinng Ren is spiritualy dead..
yeah, you conviced me!
🤣
Im British don't know when Thanksgiving is mate .
The holiday in America is on the fourth Thursday of November
I’ve read the Bible twice from cover to cover and many other times read sections and passages. Read Animal Farm. Don’t just “think” you know a lot about it.
I really would like to spread the message of this vid, but I live in Germany and most of my friends and family need german subtitles to understand. I patiently wait for the subtitles. I could translate, but I can’t make subtitles by my own…🤷♀️
I wish there was a tool on youtube to switch the subtitle to your own language. I'm not sure of a way to get German Subtitles or other language subtitles as options for my viewers to select.
Please react to twenty one pilots deep catalog dives. "Ode to sleep" "migraine"...etc
Question about the garden if you have a toddler, and you tell that toddler not to touch something. What is that toddler by nature going to do if we believe that Adam and eve wouldn't previous to eating the knowledge? Fruit had no knowledge. They were just like toddlers, basically. How do you tell a toddler not to eat something? And then just expect that they won't eat it. I really have to agree with ren. On the fact that God being all-knowing knew that the devil would tempt eve knew that even Adam would eat the apple. Otherwise god is not an all knowing god. God could have totally surpassed any of that by not placing the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden. As a father, if your child breaks curfew, do you put them on restriction for the rest of their life? As a parent if your child were to eat Is the chocolate cake on the table after you told them not to are you truly going to be mad at that toddler and condemn them to a burning pit of hell for eternity? I'm sorry. I believe that my father in heaven is a loving kind. A father and as the father that knows all ahead of time is not going to do. These things and to believe that about are creator is kind of I don't know disrespectful if you ask me, same With denying God, the father a mother to share the afterlife with. I guess I just see the world and the higher powers totally different. And I really can't put my face in a book that has been translated and messed with so many times faith is not like belief, you can believe in something all you want and it'll never come true. Faith comes from knowledge and I have faith that my father inhabitant forgives me of all of my sins without me. Needing to bow at an altar Or do multiple hail mary's and stuff to make up for me being human. I can get behind spirituality. I just can't get behind religion. The religion has created quite a divide between many definite nations if we took religion out of the picture in the world. I guarantee you the world would belete violent. Even christians with their crusades have become violent in the name of a loving higher power. I don't think that's what our higher power wanted.
It's refreshing to see someone who understands the biblical texts...as written...both historically and theologically.
Death=Separated from God
Worse than physical death is to be separated from your parents.
Although, I still have to question how the 'all-knowing' couldn't have seen the events before they occurred; & (as any parent would) interjected...as an act of mercy...
I dont get that angle either. Also just the fact that they werent going to age and die before they sinned, and so yes, they were condemned to death, just not immediately.
I can't quote the scripture, but somewhere, it says that for GOD it is impossible to lie.
Obviously it isn't the original wording, but "now you're going to die" does sound like a fair description of suddenly becoming mortal. I don't think that lesson resonates with the original context at all, but I also don't know enough to say nothing is there.
The thing that gets me about the Tree is, why was it there if God didn't intend for them to eat from it eventually? An all knowing god would know that given eternal life, one of them would eat from it eventually. I fully believe that God saw the tree as an indicator for when A&E were ready to strike out on their own in the world.
I understand. The way I see it, even with God being all knowing, the tree still served the purpose of granting people the choice of honoring God or not honoring him. Without that choice, he’d be eliminating any chance of free will to actually choose him. That wouldn’t be love, as love requires choice. It would be more like an obligation to honor him like robots. As for Adam or Eve eventually eating from the Tree of Knowledge due to their immortality, there is reason to believe from other verses in the book of Genesis that God intended for them to advance beyond the garden to populate the earth, which would therefore mean that the Tree would not be an eternal risk for them. The Garden, in a way, could be interpreted to be a sort of training ground for how they are to take care of the whole earth. I’m glad you brought that up and I hope my response doesn’t seem come across as an intention to argue. Thanks for watching my video. I appreciate the support
I enjoy your breakdown from a biblical perspective. I think you missed what might be the most important point. Ren says that God was lonely. This is incorrect in at least two ways. If God were lonely it would indicate God had need or at least is not complete without His creation. Also the theology of the Trinitarian nature of God teaches that God exists eternally in a perfect loving relationship and that this constitutes the fundamental nature of God of which humans are the image. I have listened to and loved a lot of Ren's music and I think whenever he talks about God his perspective is flawed because he does not understand of accept the Trinity.
Yeah I forgot to address the lonely point. Thanks for reminding me. And yeah in the book of Genesis, God says “Let US make man in our image.” Which suggests that he wasn’t lonely because although he is singular, he is also plural. Further passages in the Bible explain that though God is one, He is also 3 (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). So yeah, loneliness doesn’t explain his reason for making man
That seems a flawed assumption. If God were perfect and complete without creation, why create anything at all?
@YoungbloodPoetry Wow....I really struggle with how naive so many people are. Without exhaustive proof no-one "knows" if there are gods. Seemingly, the belief of most people who follow a religion ignores or discounts verifiable scientific data...even to the extent that its like they metaphorically plug their ears and say"la la la"
It's just odd that stories written by man to control others are referenced as "proof"(I am not only talking about the bible here....which could only be classed as the greatest selling fiction book of all time)
Ren doesn't have any misconceptions in this, he has a different interpretation to you, which is as valid as anyone's. It could be said equally that(and I don't know your background so this is a stretch and I apologise if incorrect) because you like many have been brought up to believe, and have studied the bible with that belief remaining intact, you have, as you put it the misconception, but even then what you actually have is YOUR interpretation.
I personally am as you may have surmised, an agnostic athiest(ie I do not believe God's exist, but I can't prove it) as opposed to anyone unlike me...who like yourself are agnostic believers/theists(ie you believe there is a god, but can't prove it)
Where Ren really hits with this is in bringing it down to humanity and our choices. Unfortunately, there have been choices made for millenia(within and without religion)based upon the human condition of greed...to profit or control, to dominate and devastate....
Why did God not write the book himself yor interpretation is not relevant to a control structure
Love the shirt, where did you get it from?
My girlfriend’s church was giving them away
Thank you for responding! Do you know if they are sold anywhere? I would love to get one.
Misconceptions? Faith? I thought you were a poet. Whatever happened to poetic license?
Wish I had seen your reaction sooner! Thank you for a thoughtful intelligent explanation of what the Bible actually says. I see many Ren fans with high praise for the video. As a Christian I have a hard time getting past his version of Eden and a lonely, questioning God. But the social commentary is spot on.
I’m glad that you enjoyed my reaction. And thank you for the kind words, friend
Bro the Ren simps are here. Crazy