I have been a VR user for years, multiple headsets, have watched dozens and dozens of videos about setting up PCVR, wireless settings, etc., and this is probably the best, most straightforward, and easiest to follow video that I have watched on the topic yet. Great video!
Just wanted to chime in when it comes to AirLink resolution. The optimal resolution to account for Q3 barrel distortion is 3072x3216 per eye for a total of 6144x3216. So to get full image clarity you would need to further increase the resolution set in Oculus PC app either by using Oculus Debug Tool resolution multiplier (I find that 1.125 gives roughly the right value but Meta has ratios of the resolution is messed up) or by using SteamVR slider to increase to around 6144x3216 (again due to Oculus app pushing wrong ratio the exact numbers pixel to pixel are not achievable). Also the encoding width is capped at 4040 while Quest 3 for the perfect match needs 4128. So Meta has some work to do when it comes to PCVR. Anyway nice comprehensive guide. Quick and on point.
@@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd I haven't said you can't write it down in the field. If you open performance overlay and choose Oculus Link option you can see the encoding resolution. It won't go past 4000 or 4040.
Thanks for this nice guide. I have a AXE5400 router, same as you, except I was experiencing a ton of micro stutters. Setting the Router to AP mode fixed this issue completely. Cheers!
@@NemoNobody0 I am located in Canada, I'm not sure if it's CE regulated or not. I have it setup like this: My houses main router has an ethernet cable running to my dedicated Wi-Fi 6E router (it's plugged into the WAN port on the 6E router). I have another ethernet cable running from LAN port 1 on the 6E router to my PC. Both my PC and dedicated router are in the same room as where I play and they sit about 6 feet away from me.
@@Teepeezy3 I am also in canada and sent this router back for the asus wifi 6e think its a 7800. Will be here shortly. What bitrate are you using. Found at h264 460mbps my old asus rx 1800 performed better then this router...MIne was in access point mode though.
@@montys8237 Why did you send it back? I have the bitrate set to 200 Mbps and I'm using the AV1 10-bit encoder. I also have the graphics quality set to 'Godlike'.
Very good tutorial. I feel, that many Q3 do not know (and P4 dont want to know), how to get these results. This will really show, what Q3 (& QPro) is capable of.
Wow so I didn't know about the oculus tool in the Oculus folder...I copied your settings and connected my quest 3 to my wifi 6 network and I got excellent results while playing DCS and I even left it on maximum graphics settings
Nice tutorial, with a smooth voice over too. I think one of the last settings in the router may seem a bit cargo-cultish but you're picking something your neighbors dont use.
My desktop PC is connected to my main router via wifi. How can my access point dedicated router get internet when connected to my PC via ethernet? Windows bridge connection slows the internet speed to a crawl. Windows ICS prevents the internet from working at all.
did everything in the video so far but changing the bitrate gives varying results. 200 Mbps is a bit jelly-like but 250 is just unplayable. i have no idea what I'm doing differently
0:45 Quest 2 maintains a 1200Mbps connection on a wifi6 router, only reason Quest 3 can't do this is because of the garbage firmware Oculus has put out. I upgraded my AP from a Ubiquiti wifi 6 lite to the wifi6 pro. Sure the speeds are much faster now, but the connection is still inconsistent, and that's with sitting my AP on the table next to me. I can change wireless channels, nothing helps.
Might be a dumb question but I'm planning on buying 2 quest 3 for my kids. Can I use just 1 router for 2 different PC so they can use 2 different PC accounts for pcvr? Or does this only work for 1 quest/computer?
Thank you for the excellent walk through. Do you still see signs of compression artifacts with these settings or is it visually perfect within the limitations of the display itself? Are we at Displayport quality at this point?
No worries. I wouldn't say display port level, but getting very close at 960, I really don't see compression anymore. I won't say it's as clear as a Crystal but personally I am very satisfied with the level of visuals I'm getting
I initially had a TL-WPA8630P KIT and decided to give this a go. So I bought a AXE75 and set it up based on your settings. It went from pretty damn good to unplayable...
@@SaysSim0n Which Quest? Have you set up a dedicated router before? You should not combine the powerline wifi kit with another dedicated router for this
@@LunchAndVR Quest 3, I removed everything except for the modem/primary router and the dedicated router (AXE75). I never set up a dedicated router before.
great tutorial! My main modem is on the groundfloor. It's a recent model. Then I have a cable to the 2nd floor. There I have a wifi -6 360 pod. Does a wifi 6 e router still does the job if connected by pc with cable?
If your actual link were 960mbps, your latency would be more than 200ms. Enabling such bandwidth is ok, but the actual bandwidth used by your device would be less than 400mpbs. Same as quest 3. With quest 3, virtual desktop uses AV1 and at 200mbps superior. You need a gpu to suport Av1.
Thanks for the info in the process of setting this up. Once you have the wifi 6e router as a AP, can you then disconnect it from your modem and just hardline it to your PC? As in don’t have it connected to your internet network at all?
It's possible, people have mentioned using it without internet connection, but personally I haven't been able to do it. My Quest always says the network won't work because of "no internet connection" or something, if anyone else can chime in on this
Great tutorial. What is the 6e bug and is it still an issue? Where can I keep an eye on it? I set this up on 6 but if I go to 960 bitrate, you’d mind as well be stoned. 400-500mms latency, lags and black space on the periphery. 400 seems nice for now, but should I go to 5ghz? What is the deal with h.265?
Yup you can follow the progress of the Quest Wifi 6E bug here: communityforums.atmeta.com/t5/Get-Help/Known-Isssue-Unstable-wifi-coverage-with-Quest-3-on-some-Router/m-p/1140733#M266319
I think it’s finally fixed? I dunno I have to tweak my axe75 maybe, but at least my quest 3 connects at 2401mb on my 6E , no drop outs or anything to report yet I didn’t do the psc part or channel bandwidth yet and 850 was super wonky and laggy/glitchy but virtual desktop is spotless and amazing with everything maxed out
I don't know why there is no physical keyboard support on quest link, the only option is virtual desktop passthrough to take advantage of the PC to Quest 3 (work/2d game) functionality.
Hey man nice vid, question, i just bought the same (expensive) router as you, i only have 1 router which is this one, do i really need to put it in dedicated mode? I only have it setup that ONLY my quest 3 is connected and nothing else, is this an issue? Thanks!
Should be fine, but keep in mind the reason we use dedicated router is so that your headset gets all the bandwidth it needs. When other devices connect to it sometimes it clogs up the network, but it should be fine
I have everything setup like you showed and now when i go to launch airlink it just shows the 3 dots and either never loads in or just crashes immediately
Thanks for the tutorial but I have a question. Only H264 gives the opportunity go higher than 400mbps but other algorithms such as h264+, h265 and av1 are known for being better. My question is : better in quality or better in compression ratio ? I mean who wins in terms of quality : h264@700mbps or av1@200mbps ?
@@LunchAndVR isn't there some objective metrics ? High bitrate is better than low non question about that. And av1 is better than h264. What about mixing this two parameters ? I found nothing about this. I guess I will have to wait for my wifi6e routeur to test this subjectivly.
I had tried switching the encoding to h265, and lowered the bitrate, and saw that h265 is way more taxing on my gpu to encode, and above a certain bitrate link wont work. i got worse results with h265 because of the lower bitrate limit due to its intensity on my gpu. this is probably just an issue with my hardware though, and you may get better results. 950 Mbps on cable link h264 has my encoding usage in task manager showing at around 60% avg
The Quest 3 also has a wifi issue with stutter and lag. I reckon it' won't get fixed. I'm monitoring the Meta forums and really it seems they couldn't give a rats a$$. A tip that might help some is shut down any apps on your pc that aren't needed. Shut down or disconnect your VPN if you have one also. My Expressvpn caused a ton of problems.
The App tracking to Mid-photon latency is probably not the right number you should be looking at. That number stays the same even when the V-sync offset number (on the Oculus link detail page) changes. And you can feel when it does. What numbers we should be looking at I dont know. VD shows nice and low numbers but I was never able to make it feel as low latency as airlink. Maybe its magic maybe it overpredicts hugely.
67 ms latency is way too high for me, considering I do Sim racing. With VD I’m getting 28-37ms with video buffering enabled. With it disabled its around 29ms, but more unstable. This is with Ultra, AV1, 100mbps, 120fps.
How does AV1 handle the fast moving high frequency details like asphalt surface and trees at 100mbps 120fps ? And how does the Quest 3 decoder handle 120fps, do you see any random framedrops from the decoder side?
@@x3mbrAV1 runs great if you get high FPS like 90 and above, if low FPS latency get into 60-70 territory.... Games I play are usually hitting 90 or 120 for me using 4090 so not an issue and latency around 20-25 only
I've tried 500 mbps on my 3080 Ti and it was unplayable. People are making a lot of efforts to compensate for the outdated compression algorithm, while on VD HEVC 10 bit + 200 mbps looks and runs great. And that Alyx comparsion everyone is referring to is misleading because the Link picture has sharpening on, of course it looks sharper. Without sharpening it would probably look the same.
Does it matter if the 6E router has a 2.5Ghz port (assuming my PC also has one)? Do you see Meta increasing the bitrate cap to something beyond 960Mbps in the future? Did you have to change anything to make it work with the V60 update? Back to 5Ghz for now?
I have a 5ghz tplink router with same interface as yours but on both virtual desktop and airlink it doesn't feel smooth it feels like 60 fps while on cable connection it's butter smooth 120 fps. it shows 120fps on fps counter software but the feeling is so much worse wireless. do you also have this problem or am I the only one with this ?
@@LunchAndVR disabled. Tried everything basically. Fps counter shows 120, it feels like 70. Like I'm playing on an old monitor without any sync technology and vsync turned off. It feels like that
i have a question. I have a similar configuration from the chained routers where my primary router is wifi 6 in another room and connects to a wifi 5 router inside my room. This is how I get internet on my PC, and I am thinking about getting the minion 6e router to connect my PC to my (future) quest 3. I was wondering if I get the minion router, would I be able to replace the second router and still get internet on my PC while also being able to play on steam link? or could I even just use my wifi 5 router and get a similar result?
@LunchAndVR good because I just got that. I might put him behind my pc but will make sure it isn't blocking anything important. Thank you for the response
@@LunchAndVR so far i tried setting everything up but with everything that you had, I'm lagging behind like 5 seconds and its completely unplayable. The router didn't have an option for access point mode so that might be it, but I wouldn't know how to do so. or if wireless is nat and access point is bridge EDIT: so far it looks like computer settings fault because the original router isnt working either. i wonder what I did differently, or if something from the debug edits made it this bad. so far it isnt the bitrate as 500 didn't change anything, nor did render resolution
@@LunchAndVR i think i fixed it. kevin doesn't have an ap setting, but it had ap settings with either nat or bridge mode. Looking online some guy said you shouldn't use bridge mode for quest, so I believed him. I cant believe that's what the issue was
Question, can I use my phone hotspot 5GHz connected to my laptop for internet AND then connect a dedicated router to the laptop for the Quest 3, will this combo work for AirLink?
@@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd this probably wont work considering you likely cannot just connect a router to your computer and have it work. but i may be wrong
hey have the same setup with router and quest 3 and did id your way BUT the encoder tab in the performance interface jumps up each time i move my head and if move constantly it laggs... is it beacause of a new patch?
How did you solve the issue of the audio being broken? When I set the bitrate any higher than 700ish, the audio starts to get fucked up. I abandoned Airlink because VD H264+ at 400mbps looks better than Airlink 700mbps with the plus side being I don't have to use Oculus bullshit shitty software.
Some explanation on the settings would be nice. Why not enable ofdma? Did it have negative consequences. Also why beacon interval 50? Also I live in canada the channel before I sent this router back for poor performance only went up to about 165 I believe. Curious yours goes higher. Why do you feel higher channel is better?
Beacon interval is how fast the beacon sends a signal, so for example 100 is the default, 250 is slower, and 50 is faster. So by setting it at 50 we get a very fast speed of intervals, but it also drains more power
As soon as i set bitrate higher than 200 in oculus tray tool everything lags horribly when using airlink, I have the same router as you but it is not set in AP mode, i still think it shouldnt lag when im not pushing crazy bitrates, something like 400-500 should be doable...
I need a pc that outputs a WiFi signal 6e but if my isp maxes as 410mbps, do I need a 6e router still? The game will stream from pc to headset so that connection needs to be 6e, pc to internet maxes in my home at 410 Mbps, so do I need a 6e router and why?
Your internet speed (ISP provided) does not affect your wireless VR bandwidth. As long as you have a dedicated router, that speed will be the one that affects your Wireless VR experience. For example, if your ISP modem is 400mbps, but your dedicated router is 1gbps, it will be using the 1gbps bandwidth of the dedicated router.
But if you put your router in AP mode then you can’t have your pc hard lined into the router. Shouldn’t you have the pc plugged into the same router? Do you have your pc plugged into your main router instead of the tp link router?
@@LunchAndVR I’m sorry but I’m not sure I follow your comment. To clarify you said your tp link in the video is set up as an AP. So that means you can not have your pc plugged into that router. The PC would be plugged into the main router to which you do not actually state what kind of router that is. In my case I have my main router and then it is hard lined into my tp link. My PC is hooked to the tp link and it is in router mode, not AP mode. If I put my TP Link in AP mode it says I will not be able to use any lan ports and it’s only WiFi. I would then have to plug my pc back into my main router, which is a netgear by the way. However the way it is set up seems to work just fine even though it is not in AP mode. So in regards to my question or clarification, how exactly is your whole network system set up in regards to where the PC is actually plugged into and what modes are set on which router. Thank you
@@PhotoJohn80 Here are a few guides on how/why to setup your dedicated router in AP mode: ua-cam.com/video/7ycwzv3XpKU/v-deo.html (2:29) ua-cam.com/video/eUaEAXpxul4/v-deo.html (3:47)
@@LunchAndVR thank you. So I have it exactly how you have it setup. But in the video here you talk about how you turned the tp link into an AP. If I was to do that on my tp link I would no longer be able to use the lan ports according to tp link. That’s why I asked what I asked.
@@PhotoJohn80 That makes no sense. Why would you not be able to use your lan ports anymore on AP? I've never heard of that before. You might want to check your manual for your specific tp link router
@@LunchAndVR I bought my router from the AmazonUK i guess they follow EU laws. Im not even from the EU i just got it cuz its cheaper. Time to return it back and get it from AmazonUS or my country's Amazon. Also do you know if that will change the PSC setting? Is it software or hardware dependent?
I try first with my old Tp Link archer C6 with not any configuration, and it work under 780 mbps connection... 120 hz full graphics and it give me a little artifacts but it was usable... now i buy this axe5400 router y i do the exact same settings, that you give in this excelent video... but it works so bad, up to 2400 mbps connection, but so much latency, lags, distortion,... i try again the old router and it works bad too... i don't understand, seems that the problem is the settings... HELP PLEASE
@@feretr OculusDebugTool,i had a axe75 for few months ago,it doesn't works well with quest 3,then i switch the router to asus,everything looks good with that
Why not at 2444 ? 😂 That why i have on virtual desktop. The quest 3 has wifi6e + you need to have a 2.5 GHz ethernet Port or in the ideal a wifi6e capable motherboard to host a hotspot so it Connects directly to your pc
Seems overkill while the 6ghz band is fully dedicated to the Quest. Then again, every few years we get these fancy routers that always seem to disappoint somewhere especially on price. @@LunchAndVR
What's the maximum possible bandwidth on a quest 2? I have a wifi 6e router right beside me when I'm on airlink. Or maybe the 200mbps in airlink menu is the maximum?
Gave this a shot, and just could not get it to work (and may have screwed up my stable VD setup in the process). I have the same router (AXE75) in Canada, and a 4090. Going through the guide in order, I noticed after switching to 960 mbps, the experience got VERY laggy, so I kept going through the tutorial and realized I needed to switch the router to Access Point mode. After doing that, nothing changed. Extremely laggy. I tried every single channel (12 of them) and always get extreme laggy performance just in the first Airlink interface after connecting to PC (waited for it to stabilize, never did). Here's the worst part, I went back to my previously very stable AV1-10 bit 200mbps Virtual Desktop connection, and now that is laggy too! It seems switching into Access Point has really screwed things up for me in VD, while also not providing a stable Airlink experience. A consideration - Is this an router problem or a bitrate problem, or both? Because switching to AP in the router broke my perfectly working VD setup, I'm inclined to think it's a router problem (still need to switch back off of AP mode to see if VD stability comes back). With that said, when in Airlink if I reduce the bitrate by about half it gets better (but still laggy). to define what I mean by laggy, if i look in one direction quickly I see the sides of my view switch to black screen. When I move my hands up and down, the rendered representation of my hands is way late to respond. Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot further?
Want to add something else, with the latest update of Quest v59, Wifi 6E is worse than before. It was working somewhat okay for me on v57, but now I think Meta has broken it again. They said there'll be a fix within the "next releases"
@@LunchAndVRThe Airlink got worse with V59 but USB Questlink on the Pro got absolutely destroyed after V59 (with other serious stuff). It runs solid for twenty second then goes mental on the oculus link detail graphs, dropping like 3 frames per second, fps going from 90 to 75 .. Regarding the router problem try reseting it or putting it back how it was. On MSI RAXE6600 the VD worked but Airlink had 10 second (yeah) latency until I turned off beamforming for 6GHz. Stuff like this ..
@@LunchAndVR Yeah, the USB Link run so magnificently on the Pro I actually ordered a fancy cable for it. It never run this good on my Q2. Well sadly it didn't make it in time :D
can I use WiFi 6e USB dongle instead of the dedicated router, insert it into PC and set up WiFi on that dongle to be a hotspot and connect VD to that WiFi?
in the USA, Wi-Fi 6 also utilizes the 6GHz frequency band. Wi-Fi 6 operates in multiple frequency bands, including 2.4GHz and 5GHz, but the introduction of the 6GHz band, specifically the 6E (6GHz Extended) designation, has expanded the available spectrum for faster and more reliable wireless connections. This means that Wi-Fi 6 can take advantage of the 6GHz frequency to provide improved performance, reduced interference, and better support for high-bandwidth applications. It's like opening up a new express lane for your wireless data traffic! In other words, you can have 6Ghz with Wifi 6 too... so an indicator of 6Ghz in quest does not indicate 6E usage.
I have been a VR user for years, multiple headsets, have watched dozens and dozens of videos about setting up PCVR, wireless settings, etc., and this is probably the best, most straightforward, and easiest to follow video that I have watched on the topic yet. Great video!
Thank you that's great to hear!
@@LunchAndVR love you
This is exactly how someone should make a tutorial, perfect
Thank you chef
Just wanted to chime in when it comes to AirLink resolution. The optimal resolution to account for Q3 barrel distortion is 3072x3216 per eye for a total of 6144x3216. So to get full image clarity you would need to further increase the resolution set in Oculus PC app either by using Oculus Debug Tool resolution multiplier (I find that 1.125 gives roughly the right value but Meta has ratios of the resolution is messed up) or by using SteamVR slider to increase to around 6144x3216 (again due to Oculus app pushing wrong ratio the exact numbers pixel to pixel are not achievable). Also the encoding width is capped at 4040 while Quest 3 for the perfect match needs 4128. So Meta has some work to do when it comes to PCVR.
Anyway nice comprehensive guide. Quick and on point.
You're right, meta needs to fix their PC app ASAP
debug tool lets me set encoding width to 4128 but no longer has mobile ASW, wonder if they've updated it or something is just weird with mine
@@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd I haven't said you can't write it down in the field. If you open performance overlay and choose Oculus Link option you can see the encoding resolution. It won't go past 4000 or 4040.
@@chadef555 fair enough, thanks for telling me
@@dddddddddddddddaddddddddddddddstill waiting on my quest 3 but has anyone confirmed the 4128 encode resolution width is actually working now?
Thanks for this nice guide. I have a AXE5400 router, same as you, except I was experiencing a ton of micro stutters. Setting the Router to AP mode fixed this issue completely. Cheers!
Oh my… I might have just found my mistake. May I ask in which region you are? FCC regulated or CE regulated?
Also if you are using it in AP mode where does your computer connect to? To your main router or to the router in AP mode?
@@NemoNobody0 I am located in Canada, I'm not sure if it's CE regulated or not. I have it setup like this:
My houses main router has an ethernet cable running to my dedicated Wi-Fi 6E router (it's plugged into the WAN port on the 6E router). I have another ethernet cable running from LAN port 1 on the 6E router to my PC. Both my PC and dedicated router are in the same room as where I play and they sit about 6 feet away from me.
@@Teepeezy3 I am also in canada and sent this router back for the asus wifi 6e think its a 7800. Will be here shortly. What bitrate are you using. Found at h264 460mbps my old asus rx 1800 performed better then this router...MIne was in access point mode though.
@@montys8237 Why did you send it back? I have the bitrate set to 200 Mbps and I'm using the AV1 10-bit encoder. I also have the graphics quality set to 'Godlike'.
Very good tutorial. I feel, that many Q3 do not know (and P4 dont want to know), how to get these results. This will really show, what Q3 (& QPro) is capable of.
Wow so I didn't know about the oculus tool in the Oculus folder...I copied your settings and connected my quest 3 to my wifi 6 network and I got excellent results while playing DCS and I even left it on maximum graphics settings
with Asus RT-AEX7800 your settings are perfect I am at 500mb in stable wifi6e over 6 meters distance. Thank you
Good stuff. Helped me get nice quality
Nice tutorial, with a smooth voice over too. I think one of the last settings in the router may seem a bit cargo-cultish but you're picking something your neighbors dont use.
always had cabled link... trying to give airlink a go! thank u for video!
My desktop PC is connected to my main router via wifi. How can my access point dedicated router get internet when connected to my PC via ethernet?
Windows bridge connection slows the internet speed to a crawl.
Windows ICS prevents the internet from working at all.
did everything in the video so far but changing the bitrate gives varying results. 200 Mbps is a bit jelly-like but 250 is just unplayable. i have no idea what I'm doing differently
Thanks, gotta try your tutorial.
0:45 Quest 2 maintains a 1200Mbps connection on a wifi6 router, only reason Quest 3 can't do this is because of the garbage firmware Oculus has put out. I upgraded my AP from a Ubiquiti wifi 6 lite to the wifi6 pro. Sure the speeds are much faster now, but the connection is still inconsistent, and that's with sitting my AP on the table next to me. I can change wireless channels, nothing helps.
Earned yourself a sub
Might be a dumb question but I'm planning on buying 2 quest 3 for my kids. Can I use just 1 router for 2 different PC so they can use 2 different PC accounts for pcvr? Or does this only work for 1 quest/computer?
Fixed bitrate is risky. Any signal issues and the inability to adapt to it will tank the connection drastically for a moment.
@@k-yo that's why you only do it with the right hardware.
Thank you for the excellent walk through. Do you still see signs of compression artifacts with these settings or is it visually perfect within the limitations of the display itself? Are we at Displayport quality at this point?
No worries. I wouldn't say display port level, but getting very close at 960, I really don't see compression anymore. I won't say it's as clear as a Crystal but personally I am very satisfied with the level of visuals I'm getting
If you can't connect to WIFI 6E try manuyally inputing SSID and password. Helped for me when i couldn't connect to it.
I initially had a TL-WPA8630P KIT and decided to give this a go. So I bought a AXE75 and set it up based on your settings. It went from pretty damn good to unplayable...
Going to need more info for us to help you there
@@LunchAndVR 3060ti, B550I AORUS PRO AX, Ryzen 7 3700X, 16gb,
axe75 next to the playspace in access point mode with your settings
@@SaysSim0n Which Quest? Have you set up a dedicated router before? You should not combine the powerline wifi kit with another dedicated router for this
@@LunchAndVR Quest 3, I removed everything except for the modem/primary router and the dedicated router (AXE75). I never set up a dedicated router before.
@@SaysSim0n oh... Setting up a dedicated router can be a bit complicated for the first time, try doing in 5ghz mode first instead of 6ghz
great tutorial! My main modem is on the groundfloor. It's a recent model. Then I have a cable to the 2nd floor. There I have a wifi -6 360 pod. Does a wifi 6 e router still does the job if connected by pc with cable?
If your actual link were 960mbps, your latency would be more than 200ms. Enabling such bandwidth is ok, but the actual bandwidth used by your device would be less than 400mpbs. Same as quest 3. With quest 3, virtual desktop uses AV1 and at 200mbps superior. You need a gpu to suport Av1.
I guess he didn't watch the video
Has Meta fixed the bug yet so that the Quest 3 works with 6E now? (May 17/24 now) You still have the note in your description that it’s not…..?
It varies based on headset to headset, some people say it's fixed for them, others say it's not.... a roll of the dice
Thanks for the info in the process of setting this up. Once you have the wifi 6e router as a AP, can you then disconnect it from your modem and just hardline it to your PC? As in don’t have it connected to your internet network at all?
It's possible, people have mentioned using it without internet connection, but personally I haven't been able to do it. My Quest always says the network won't work because of "no internet connection" or something, if anyone else can chime in on this
Great tutorial. What is the 6e bug and is it still an issue? Where can I keep an eye on it? I set this up on 6 but if I go to 960 bitrate, you’d mind as well be stoned. 400-500mms latency, lags and black space on the periphery. 400 seems nice for now, but should I go to 5ghz? What is the deal with h.265?
Yup you can follow the progress of the Quest Wifi 6E bug here: communityforums.atmeta.com/t5/Get-Help/Known-Isssue-Unstable-wifi-coverage-with-Quest-3-on-some-Router/m-p/1140733#M266319
I think it’s finally fixed? I dunno I have to tweak my axe75 maybe, but at least my quest 3 connects at 2401mb on my 6E , no drop outs or anything to report yet
I didn’t do the psc part or channel bandwidth yet and 850 was super wonky and laggy/glitchy but virtual desktop is spotless and amazing with everything maxed out
What do you recommend for quest 3? What characteristics do you need to pay attention to?
@@CHADLER-_- that's the whole video
Amazing, thank you for this tutorial.
What’s the on screen latency meter you use?
That's the performance graph from Oculus Debug Tool
@@LunchAndVR ah perfect thank you
I don't know why there is no physical keyboard support on quest link, the only option is virtual desktop passthrough to take advantage of the PC to Quest 3 (work/2d game) functionality.
Does the PC also have to connect via Ethernet to the dedicated router? Or can it connect via ethernet to the primary router?
@@EngineerHarris dedicated
I have 1280 mbs on Wifi 6 not even 6e and did noting for it just need a good Wifi 6 modem and that is it choose a 80mh ch and thats it
What Wifi 6 router do you use?
What if I have a pcie wifi 6e card can I connect it with quest 3
Hey man nice vid, question, i just bought the same (expensive) router as you, i only have 1 router which is this one, do i really need to put it in dedicated mode? I only have it setup that ONLY my quest 3 is connected and nothing else, is this an issue? Thanks!
Should be fine, but keep in mind the reason we use dedicated router is so that your headset gets all the bandwidth it needs. When other devices connect to it sometimes it clogs up the network, but it should be fine
I have everything setup like you showed and now when i go to launch airlink it just shows the 3 dots and either never loads in or just crashes immediately
@@srive720 that means you probably set your settings too high for your hardware to handle so it crashes
@@LunchAndVR hmm interesting I have a really good pc and the same router youre using and i cant go over 200Mbps without it crashing or lagging
Everyone says WiFi 6 is the best… and now it’s not good?
Thanks for the tutorial but I have a question. Only H264 gives the opportunity go higher than 400mbps but other algorithms such as h264+, h265 and av1 are known for being better. My question is : better in quality or better in compression ratio ? I mean who wins in terms of quality : h264@700mbps or av1@200mbps ?
@@GagarineYuri it's all personal preference
@@LunchAndVR isn't there some objective metrics ? High bitrate is better than low non question about that. And av1 is better than h264. What about mixing this two parameters ? I found nothing about this. I guess I will have to wait for my wifi6e routeur to test this subjectivly.
@@GagarineYuri it's very subjective regardless
I had tried switching the encoding to h265, and lowered the bitrate, and saw that h265 is way more taxing on my gpu to encode, and above a certain bitrate link wont work. i got worse results with h265 because of the lower bitrate limit due to its intensity on my gpu. this is probably just an issue with my hardware though, and you may get better results.
950 Mbps on cable link h264 has my encoding usage in task manager showing at around 60% avg
The Quest 3 also has a wifi issue with stutter and lag. I reckon it' won't get fixed. I'm monitoring the Meta forums and really it seems they couldn't give a rats a$$. A tip that might help some is shut down any apps on your pc that aren't needed. Shut down or disconnect your VPN if you have one also. My Expressvpn caused a ton of problems.
The App tracking to Mid-photon latency is probably not the right number you should be looking at. That number stays the same even when the V-sync offset number (on the Oculus link detail page) changes. And you can feel when it does.
What numbers we should be looking at I dont know. VD shows nice and low numbers but I was never able to make it feel as low latency as airlink. Maybe its magic maybe it overpredicts hugely.
Moral of the story is numbers are just squiggly wiggly made up lines
67 ms latency is way too high for me, considering I do Sim racing. With VD I’m getting 28-37ms with video buffering enabled. With it disabled its around 29ms, but more unstable. This is with Ultra, AV1, 100mbps, 120fps.
Like I mentioned, Airlink LIES about their latency numbers. It's much lower than the stated ms
How does AV1 handle the fast moving high frequency details like asphalt surface and trees at 100mbps 120fps ?
And how does the Quest 3 decoder handle 120fps, do you see any random framedrops from the decoder side?
Pretty sure if you watch the video he discusses this....
@@x3mbrAV1 runs great if you get high FPS like 90 and above, if low FPS latency get into 60-70 territory.... Games I play are usually hitting 90 or 120 for me using 4090 so not an issue and latency around 20-25 only
I've tried 500 mbps on my 3080 Ti and it was unplayable. People are making a lot of efforts to compensate for the outdated compression algorithm, while on VD HEVC 10 bit + 200 mbps looks and runs great. And that Alyx comparsion everyone is referring to is misleading because the Link picture has sharpening on, of course it looks sharper. Without sharpening it would probably look the same.
i play in 40mbp/s with my quest 2 and wifi 6. I can't up the flow without causing problems :/
Does it matter if the 6E router has a 2.5Ghz port (assuming my PC also has one)? Do you see Meta increasing the bitrate cap to something beyond 960Mbps in the future?
Did you have to change anything to make it work with the V60 update? Back to 5Ghz for now?
V60 is still shite for me, I'm still on 5ghz for now
@@LunchAndVR Does it matter if the 6E router has a 2.5Ghz port (assuming my PC also has one)? I see that the TP-Link AXE75 doesn't have 2.5G port.
I have a 5ghz tplink router with same interface as yours but on both virtual desktop and airlink it doesn't feel smooth it feels like 60 fps while on cable connection it's butter smooth 120 fps. it shows 120fps on fps counter software but the feeling is so much worse wireless. do you also have this problem or am I the only one with this ?
Disable ASW
@@LunchAndVR disabled. Tried everything basically. Fps counter shows 120, it feels like 70. Like I'm playing on an old monitor without any sync technology and vsync turned off. It feels like that
@@LunchAndVR even absolute lowest settings are like that while cabled I can get Butter smooth experience with high res
@@tugrulserhat might be time to fix your network
@@LunchAndVR tplink ax53 5ghz. It was like $50 maybe its shitty inside and that's causing it I'm not sure
I havé Wifi 6e and 2400 mbps .. and it works perfekt
Which router?
Router model? Your country? Connection method? Router settings? If you want to help add some details otherwise your comment is of little value..
i have a question. I have a similar configuration from the chained routers where my primary router is wifi 6 in another room and connects to a wifi 5 router inside my room. This is how I get internet on my PC, and I am thinking about getting the minion 6e router to connect my PC to my (future) quest 3. I was wondering if I get the minion router, would I be able to replace the second router and still get internet on my PC while also being able to play on steam link? or could I even just use my wifi 5 router and get a similar result?
@@wrenn7473 as long as they're connected to the main one and pc it'll be fine, minion Kevin is a good 6e router
@LunchAndVR good because I just got that. I might put him behind my pc but will make sure it isn't blocking anything important. Thank you for the response
@@LunchAndVR so far i tried setting everything up but with everything that you had, I'm lagging behind like 5 seconds and its completely unplayable. The router didn't have an option for access point mode so that might be it, but I wouldn't know how to do so. or if wireless is nat and access point is bridge
EDIT: so far it looks like computer settings fault because the original router isnt working either. i wonder what I did differently, or if something from the debug edits made it this bad. so far it isnt the bitrate as 500 didn't change anything, nor did render resolution
@@wrenn7473 it might be your first router causing issues, if you got the kevin minion as a dedicated router and set up as AP mode it should work fine
@@LunchAndVR i think i fixed it. kevin doesn't have an ap setting, but it had ap settings with either nat or bridge mode. Looking online some guy said you shouldn't use bridge mode for quest, so I believed him. I cant believe that's what the issue was
on 90hz even 800 is too muddy, i had to bump it to 960 so the image could clear as on 80hz 700mbit
Question, can I use my phone hotspot 5GHz connected to my laptop for internet AND then connect a dedicated router to the laptop for the Quest 3, will this combo work for AirLink?
should do as long as quest 3 is connected to the router and not your hotspot
@@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd this probably wont work considering you likely cannot just connect a router to your computer and have it work. but i may be wrong
I ordered an ASUS RT-AXE7800, tell me, will it be enough to achieve the same results as yours?
how is it ? did you get similar latency?
tray tool registry error ?
hey have the same setup with router and quest 3 and did id your way BUT the encoder tab in the performance interface jumps up each time i move my head and if move constantly it laggs... is it beacause of a new patch?
See the first line of description
@@LunchAndVR ithought this was meant for the time of the upload ^^ ok i understand. but the 5ghz network has the same result with the tp link axe 75
Hi there will it work via mesh either WiFi 7 technology or only via cable?
you could always give it a try
Excellent content. Concise and practical. Thank you. Subscribing to your channel now.
Thank you chief
How did you solve the issue of the audio being broken? When I set the bitrate any higher than 700ish, the audio starts to get fucked up.
I abandoned Airlink because VD H264+ at 400mbps looks better than Airlink 700mbps with the plus side being I don't have to use Oculus bullshit shitty software.
? My audio doesn't do that, that's weird. Maybe your network connection isn't stable
Yeah no issue on Quest 3 and Wifi 6e ... you use Virtual Desktop with a Wifi 6e Router and you get 2400... 960 is a joke lol :)
My guy doesn't know the difference 😂
Some explanation on the settings would be nice. Why not enable ofdma? Did it have negative consequences. Also why beacon interval 50?
Also I live in canada the channel before I sent this router back for poor performance only went up to about 165 I believe. Curious yours goes higher. Why do you feel higher channel is better?
Beacon interval is how fast the beacon sends a signal, so for example 100 is the default, 250 is slower, and 50 is faster. So by setting it at 50 we get a very fast speed of intervals, but it also drains more power
using quest 2 works fine for me
I have a 3080ti, so what should my encode resolution be?
That's up to you to experiment and find out how much your PC can handle, you can start at increments at a low res (3000 or so) and go up and up
As soon as i set bitrate higher than 200 in oculus tray tool everything lags horribly when using airlink, I have the same router as you but it is not set in AP mode, i still think it shouldnt lag when im not pushing crazy bitrates, something like 400-500 should be doable...
AP mode
Have you tried using motherboard WiFi as hotspot to connect to quest 3 ? I can’t really use this router as dedicated one for quest.
Does Airlink use upload speed or download speed?
If you're talking about internet network speed, it doesn't rely on it
How do you get that window with the metrics to appear?
Under Oculus debug tool > Preformance monitor
I need a pc that outputs a WiFi signal 6e but if my isp maxes as 410mbps, do I need a 6e router still? The game will stream from pc to headset so that connection needs to be 6e, pc to internet maxes in my home at 410 Mbps, so do I need a 6e router and why?
Your internet speed (ISP provided) does not affect your wireless VR bandwidth. As long as you have a dedicated router, that speed will be the one that affects your Wireless VR experience. For example, if your ISP modem is 400mbps, but your dedicated router is 1gbps, it will be using the 1gbps bandwidth of the dedicated router.
@@LunchAndVR I ordered a 6e router and 6e airbrudge but built on a usb 3.0 connection, I’ll see how it works. Thanks for the reply.
Does the primary router being WiFi 6 negatively affect the performance of the WiFi6e dedicated router?
It should not as they're different channels
@@LunchAndVR alright, cool, thanks
what about the D link air bridge?
@@xXxSiNiiSTERxXx nope that’s wifi 6
how about with the link cable what is the latency
It depends on the bitrate. It can run at V-sync offset 1 while Airlink never drops below 2. Thats 11.11 ms (at 90hz) difference.
But if you put your router in AP mode then you can’t have your pc hard lined into the router. Shouldn’t you have the pc plugged into the same router? Do you have your pc plugged into your main router instead of the tp link router?
No, your dedicated router (in this case my tp link) is plugged directly into my computer. Dedicated routers should mainly be on AP mode.
@@LunchAndVR I’m sorry but I’m not sure I follow your comment. To clarify you said your tp link in the video is set up as an AP. So that means you can not have your pc plugged into that router. The PC would be plugged into the main router to which you do not actually state what kind of router that is. In my case I have my main router and then it is hard lined into my tp link. My PC is hooked to the tp link and it is in router mode, not AP mode. If I put my TP Link in AP mode it says I will not be able to use any lan ports and it’s only WiFi. I would then have to plug my pc back into my main router, which is a netgear by the way. However the way it is set up seems to work just fine even though it is not in AP mode. So in regards to my question or clarification, how exactly is your whole network system set up in regards to where the PC is actually plugged into and what modes are set on which router. Thank you
@@PhotoJohn80 Here are a few guides on how/why to setup your dedicated router in AP mode:
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ua-cam.com/video/eUaEAXpxul4/v-deo.html (3:47)
@@LunchAndVR thank you. So I have it exactly how you have it setup. But in the video here you talk about how you turned the tp link into an AP. If I was to do that on my tp link I would no longer be able to use the lan ports according to tp link. That’s why I asked what I asked.
@@PhotoJohn80 That makes no sense. Why would you not be able to use your lan ports anymore on AP? I've never heard of that before. You might want to check your manual for your specific tp link router
I do not have the Mobile ASW option in my Oculus Debug Tool, any ideas why?
Some people don't have it, but shouldn't matter. Regular (PC) ASW is the one that should matter
@@LunchAndVR for some reason, even though I disable ASW, my fps drops in half if it can't reach the target.
@@pitprokIt's a known bug, sometimes you have to disable it, enable it, disable it while inside a game in VR for it to stick
What exactly is the difference between H264 normal and H264+?
As far as I know, it's almost the same thing
My PSC setting only goes to 85 max, i cannot get it higher. The channel width is 160mhz btw. Can someone explain why?
Every region and country varies in its channel width, so that's why
@@LunchAndVR I bought my router from the AmazonUK i guess they follow EU laws. Im not even from the EU i just got it cuz its cheaper. Time to return it back and get it from AmazonUS or my country's Amazon. Also do you know if that will change the PSC setting? Is it software or hardware dependent?
I try first with my old Tp Link archer C6 with not any configuration, and it work under 780 mbps connection... 120 hz full graphics and it give me a little artifacts but it was usable... now i buy this axe5400 router y i do the exact same settings, that you give in this excelent video... but it works so bad, up to 2400 mbps connection, but so much latency, lags, distortion,... i try again the old router and it works bad too... i don't understand, seems that the problem is the settings... HELP PLEASE
have you turn on the sliced encoding?
@@boblau123 where is that setting?
i thin the update broke the combination of quest 3 and axe 75 ... i and a streamer i asked have the same problem
@@feretr OculusDebugTool,i had a axe75 for few months ago,it doesn't works well with quest 3,then i switch the router to asus,everything looks good with that
small issue - VD now supports 500 mbps
I think Guy did that after we all kept complaining about the lack of higher bitrates 😂
Why not at 2444 ? 😂 That why i have on virtual desktop. The quest 3 has wifi6e + you need to have a 2.5 GHz ethernet Port or in the ideal a wifi6e capable motherboard to host a hotspot so it Connects directly to your pc
We don't use hotspot because the performance is just much worse
which is your gpu?
4090
How long to use that and have cancer or other brain-diseases due to ultra-electro-smog?
3 days
@@LunchAndVR Fine!
rofl!!@@LunchAndVR
Asus ax82u - 750+ mbps 55 ms latency. No wi fi 6e, just wi fi 6
Can you post a video of that by any chance with performance metrics? Have you tried pushing to 960?
Dedicated router.. you mean dedicated 6ghz band?
No, a dedicated router is a seperate router just for your headset
Seems overkill while the 6ghz band is fully dedicated to the Quest. Then again, every few years we get these fancy routers that always seem to disappoint somewhere especially on price. @@LunchAndVR
I've got a Linksys 6e router. Gave up around 300Mbps. lol.
What's the maximum possible bandwidth on a quest 2? I have a wifi 6e router right beside me when I'm on airlink. Or maybe the 200mbps in airlink menu is the maximum?
Gave this a shot, and just could not get it to work (and may have screwed up my stable VD setup in the process).
I have the same router (AXE75) in Canada, and a 4090. Going through the guide in order, I noticed after switching to 960 mbps, the experience got VERY laggy, so I kept going through the tutorial and realized I needed to switch the router to Access Point mode. After doing that, nothing changed. Extremely laggy. I tried every single channel (12 of them) and always get extreme laggy performance just in the first Airlink interface after connecting to PC (waited for it to stabilize, never did).
Here's the worst part, I went back to my previously very stable AV1-10 bit 200mbps Virtual Desktop connection, and now that is laggy too! It seems switching into Access Point has really screwed things up for me in VD, while also not providing a stable Airlink experience.
A consideration - Is this an router problem or a bitrate problem, or both? Because switching to AP in the router broke my perfectly working VD setup, I'm inclined to think it's a router problem (still need to switch back off of AP mode to see if VD stability comes back). With that said, when in Airlink if I reduce the bitrate by about half it gets better (but still laggy).
to define what I mean by laggy, if i look in one direction quickly I see the sides of my view switch to black screen. When I move my hands up and down, the rendered representation of my hands is way late to respond.
Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot further?
Want to add something else, with the latest update of Quest v59, Wifi 6E is worse than before. It was working somewhat okay for me on v57, but now I think Meta has broken it again. They said there'll be a fix within the "next releases"
@@LunchAndVRThe Airlink got worse with V59 but USB Questlink on the Pro got absolutely destroyed after V59 (with other serious stuff). It runs solid for twenty second then goes mental on the oculus link detail graphs, dropping like 3 frames per second, fps going from 90 to 75 ..
Regarding the router problem try reseting it or putting it back how it was. On MSI RAXE6600 the VD worked but Airlink had 10 second (yeah) latency until I turned off beamforming for 6GHz. Stuff like this ..
@@Blix8 goddammit meta just like... Fix it and leave it don't touch it after it's working!
@@LunchAndVR Yeah, the USB Link run so magnificently on the Pro I actually ordered a fancy cable for it. It never run this good on my Q2. Well sadly it didn't make it in time :D
can I use WiFi 6e USB dongle instead of the dedicated router, insert it into PC and set up WiFi on that dongle to be a hotspot and connect VD to that WiFi?
The guys at Virtual Desktop always say hotspot is not recommended, but yes it can work
tf i dont even have the mobile ASW setting in the debug tool
That's weird, normally mobile ASW should be there. But otherwise don't worry about it
@@LunchAndVR yeah it's all good, had a 2 port 10GbE nic for years + bridged the ports and have a router with 10GbE ports too lol not a single problem
My country doesn't have wifo 6E routers lmao
Quest 3’s processor can handle 200 mbps max? What is the video even on about
Hahaha nope
@@LunchAndVR ah yes just say nope to a literal hardware limit 💀
@@mmmmate5884 hahahahaha
from testing it can handle 960mbps on cable link, and i can see an actual increase in quality over 200 or 700mbps. it can support it.
F Videos???????? What the F?
in the USA, Wi-Fi 6 also utilizes the 6GHz frequency band. Wi-Fi 6 operates in multiple frequency bands, including 2.4GHz and 5GHz, but the introduction of the 6GHz band, specifically the 6E (6GHz Extended) designation, has expanded the available spectrum for faster and more reliable wireless connections. This means that Wi-Fi 6 can take advantage of the 6GHz frequency to provide improved performance, reduced interference, and better support for high-bandwidth applications. It's like opening up a new express lane for your wireless data traffic!
In other words, you can have 6Ghz with Wifi 6 too... so an indicator of 6Ghz in quest does not indicate 6E usage.
a quick google search shows you that wifi 6 does not use 6ghz.
wifi 6 does not have a 6ghz band, thats the whole point of 6e
vd just add 500mbps!
Yup and we shall wait till 960!