I'm currently using an Intel WI-FI 6 AX200 hotspot (from my PC) but intel adapters for some reason require a certain feature to be disabled as it constantly creates a lag interval as it searches for other networks (recommend go watching Virtual Pants video on the script he mentions to disable this) but once disable the hotspot works flawlessly
I recently tried using my desktop's Wifi6 network card as a hotspot and connected my Quest 2 to the new network. This worked surprisingly well for PCVR (Virtual Desktop)
When i first started using virtual desktop that was still an unreliable dumpsterfire way to do this, but microsoft seem to have done some serious work on it because I've taken to running the same hotspot from both my desktop and a laptop with results in spitting distance of the dedicated modem. Convenient.
@@Eunostos A modem has nothing to do with this at all. The modem is what links the local network to external networks. It modulates and demodulates the signal from your ISP into something your router can understand. Nowadays the modem is usually built in to the router, but in no way does the modem have anything to do with you wireless VR experience.
Yeah, it works, but the resolution is dropped. My ultimate setup would be clear resolution while airlink’ing. …of course my setup is strictly running off wifi 6. I wish I could connect directly to my router 🤔 …router is upstairs and computer is downstairs. Was thinking maybe a mesh router might do the trick 🤔
Never expected this but glad to see it. I was the person who made DIY slimes to use with shadow pc from my oculus quest and wrote the original guide in slimevr for it. I’ve since switched to using wireless vr on a local gaming pc using eero 6E pros with cat6 Ethernet backhaul in bridge mode with a 2.5Gb firewalla handling the routing. Never have issues with latency and honestly even using shadow pc before a lot of the multi gig upgrades to LAN equipment worked well at around 50ms (time to draw not just network) which tuned well can be very playable if your used to lag as much as I am haha. I don’t get motion sick I’m VR but playing RAFT was another story haha 😅
Definitely a great way to do wireless VR. I do recommend some kind of password or other system to keep others from hopping on the gateway with out your permission. I have had issues with relatives trying to connect to the gateway instead of the wireless router ' for the faster internet ' while I was using it and it causing issues.
Changing my channel width to 80mhz from 40mhz was by far the single biggest improvement. Same AP-LR. Running PFsense in a VM. Router is bridged of course. 3650x Cisco Poe switch.
One thing you can do to stop devices from switching between 2.4 Ghz and 5.0 Ghz is changing the SSID for each network so they do not match. I noticed I have a lot less hiccups with all devices when I did that. I use a DFS channel (58) at 80 Mhz on my setup and it's buttery smooth with no interference from my 10's of neighborhood APs that are in range of mine. This is one of the best things you can do to get rid of those occasional spikes you mentioned. One thing to note here is that it will cause a ton of lag for the Quest Pro controllers on a Quest 2 unless you use PTC to get on v49 and above and only works well on Air Link. Virtual Desktop still has issues while using Quest 2 w/Quest Pro controllers on a DFS channel.
I can confirm this. I have a 5GHz network channel just for VR. Wifi 6 router next to the PC and Playspace scan for interference from other networks and find a free channel, stable 1200Mbps on 5GHz.
Just to say, you can do pcvr literally offline, even if your internet connection is cut for some reason and stuff (yeah no device would have internet to expect your phone with mobile data bit its to state he's 100% right) you just need a good access point with 5ghz or maybe better 6Ghz (wifi 6) even uf your internet subscription dont support it because it's all local. But what i would suggest to you people is actually just sometimes go outside, like maybe to a friend or just any covered place with internet connection and there use the connection to play pcvr stuff using virtual desktop while being anywhere. Its a feature not many people noticed they could actually do and its truly powerful, you will be amazed how low the latency is even outside (as long as you have a good home internet connection this time because your location internet connection matter actually less, hard to explain) just with 20Mbs you can play literally every where even in a forest just. Just keep your pc on and on sleep mode and activate the "start with windows and start in tray" options, so you will always be able to access your desktop anywhere and its still as secure as usual because you actually need to enter your password on the big screen appearing (it log directly on the windows lockscreen). Sorry i wrote a bit too much, hopefully it was useful
The reason the community pushes dedicated "routers" is because there is a range of them that are significantly cheaper than a decent dedicated access point, an example would be the WAX202, a WiFi 6 router which often goes as low as $60. The devices themselves usually end up being used as access points with no actual routing involved and can be added 'in-line', meaning no extra ports are needed. Also, the average household likely uses their ISP provided modem/router combo for WiFi, and these are notoriously mid. As long as it's in a good spot and in an uncongested band, non-dedicated is fine for VR. Just be aware that every device actively connected to the AP will likely contribute to increased latency. There is only one radio per band in these APs, and for each device connected to a band, the radio has to address them back and forth in different time slices. WiFi needs a bit of tuning to grant a very good VR experience, which is why the dedicated router method is popular.
You don't have to do all what you describe in the video I have a quest 2 and a water cooled desktop pc I built myself with Wi-Fi 6 and a wireless router with Wi-Fi 6 I connect the PC wirelessly to the router and then direct connect the quest 2 to the PC 's Wi-Fi 6 .So if your playing a game that doesn't need the internet you don't even need a router or a access point and if you do need internet this setup works just fine without the PC being connected via Ethernet to the router You can just connect from headset to your pc directly using Wi-Fi 6 I have no lag at all I have the pc about 15,20 feet away from my play space It's basically just like the D-Link air bridge Only I was doing it this way before they released the air bridge If you don't have Wi-Fi 6 in your PC get the air bridge and the quest 2 has Wi-Fi 6 built in to direct connect to your PC without all that other stuff
Good breakdown - I had a wifi 6 card on my PC and figured I was smart for tooting about using that, but I would get 80mbps on virtual desktop, guess it's like a bug on some wifi cards, anyways, I get 1200mbps on my comcast wifi 6e router, I have 1.2gbps internet. Works like a charm and mind is blown using a 4090. I even play online multiplayer games on PC because three's 0 difference running native. Crazy!
My ISP's issued router is 5GHz, so I'm just using it for my quest to connect to my pc (which is connected via ethernet to the same router). It's on the next room, but still close enough to get *very* low latency. However the bandwith leaves a bit to be desired so I play at 50mbps on virtual desktop (Which is juuuust enough to generally avoid color banding)
@@rangerkayla8824 I’m not on quest so I can’t see “the actual latency” but it doesn’t really change anything with the fact that I can’t enjoy VR gaming when latency in VD is above 30, I usually get 22-25 which is somehow acceptable but still not perfect, how do you guys play with 30 or 40+ is still a secret to me, maybe you just care less
Thanks for sharing all this mate. Biggest 2x surprises for me are that you are using a pretty low end AMD 5700xt gpu (about equiv to a rtx3060, but with slower encoders), and also that your feel the need to use Virtual Desktop instead of Air Link (so, no Local Dimming option for you right now). Like you said, as long as it works well for you, that's great.
1. Router/access point needs to be in the same room as your headset. 2. Router/access point must support 5GHz, preferably wifi 6. 3. There must be a gigabit ethernet CABLE to your gaming PC. 4. Use different SSIDs for 5GHz and 2.4GHz. 5. Select a 5GHz channel which does not interfere with your neighbours Wifi. That's about it.
Yup I've got the same AP. Setup a separate SSID for the Quest to keep all other traffic away from it. It's wifi6, but I will upgrade it to 6e when the next quest has it.
I use a mikrotik router. One port is internet coming from my modem, one port goes to a 2.5gig switch which runs to my pc, home server and my VR access point. I then have a separate port on my router that runs to another switch which connects my consoles and my primary wireless AP. I try to split them a bit to help keep minimal network traffic for any devices connected between the vr access point and the pc.
As a CCNA certified professional, I can confirm the technical aspects covered in this video are accurate. Now, for those serious about PCVR, particularly games like MSFS 2020 or Assetto Corsa where movement is limited, a high-speed USB 3 cable might be a better choice compared to Wi-Fi.
I have the original long $90 dollar meta cable and the performance in msfs2020 with it is ugly AF. Never could make it work properly. Lots of artifacts, stutters, etc. Virtual desktop is the only way I've found to have spectacular visuals and performance. Quest 2 and 3 / rtx 4090.
If oculus was to make a box for pc that was able to connect our quests to the pc wirless with the lowest latency possible and at high bitrate i think we would ALL buy it
I simply have a managed 24 port managed Netgear POE switch, with a couple Unifi 6 Pro APs. I don't use a gaming router. I used to but now use a custom-built PfSense router/firewall.
Thanks for sharing. My setup is similar. 2 Asus ax88u and AC88u with open firmware running in Access point mode. I went back to cable -type c 2 c( since most things I do are in my office chair). I thought I read a while back that Quest 2 is not capable of true WiFi 6. PRo prob. does. Hat's off to you for being real, sincere, and honest/humble. There is hope after all for this Generation ;-)
With slime trackers and movies playing in my house, my ping was 30-60, then I tried a range extender and I got 150 ping then I installed an access point and finally I got 1 millisecond ping.
Well, I don't even have an access point and I still get a great connection to my pc I have a ZTE F-680, I have no clue if it's a good router, I think not since it's what my internet provider gave me but hey, it just works I have my pc wired to my router, which still is only like a meter away Sometimes I get lagspikes that make me see weird stuff in-game but never have I had the headset lagging or disconnecting from my pc Worth noting: I specifically assigned different SSIDs for 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz, I only connect to the 5GHz one with my headset
I just have some random crappy Wifi 5 router that I use to host a wifi signal to my Quest 3, 6 iPhones for imu FBT, and Ethernet to PC. I get imu latency of below 3ms and virtual desktop networking latency of about 4ms
I used to play a mmorpg with no issues on ADSL with a good router. I now have wifi 6 and get a latency of 12 or less as reported by virtual desktop on my PC. The total latency as reported 9n 5he Quest 2 is in the high 30s.
An absolute house of spaghetti. But it works. I have three Eero mesh access points off my modem, and a small headless switch that connects to all the rooms.
I’m amazed that people can actually enjoy playing vr with 50+ ms ping… my ping through virtual desktop is 23-25 and even like that it still annoy me a bit because I can still in fact feel that everything is not as snappy as it could be, but when I first set up it without additional tweaking it was around 40-50 ms which is completely normal for most of the users but not for me. Pico 4 is an amazing headset for sure, but it feels like I just can’t really enjoy vr with latency and non base station tracking, this actually makes me want to buy index so bad, the biggest problem is that they aren’t selling them officially in my country…
I havw two Netgear R8000s running FreshTomato. One is chained into the other, and all the DHCP (IP assignment) is handled for everything across both of their APs by the first one. The speed is great, the signal is able to penetrate the steel sheet walls of my house, and with the Quest 1, running maximum bandwidth with VD, can get consistent network latemcy of 4-5ms. The routers are just a single generation newer version of Mysticle's R7000, and with the right CFW, they get equivalent or better latency performance than the Unifi AP. I don't just say better, because the Quest 1 is hard limited to 100MbPS in VD, due to a less capable internal wifi and decoder, which skews results just a bit.
Wow! That sounds like a great setup, I was actually going to upgrade my R7000 to the R8000 when I got the new office space. However, that doesn't seem to be happening anymore so I might just go ahead and upgrade it for the house. Especially if you're saying the wifi in them is good, I could have the access point upstairs and the wifi downstairs, giving even more range 😃
@@TheMysticle They sell for $80 refurbished now, I'd recommend picking one up. The Stock genie firmware is hot garbage, gives 7-8ms in the same setup and has intermittent DNS issues, so the FreshTomato firmware is a must. My second R8000 is actually one of the $80 refurbs.
I got a Huawei honor 3 router that i use as WiFi repeater, receiver and hotspot for dedicated wireless pcvr (it picks up wifi from the main router and is connected with ethernet to my pc, and my quest is connected to it. I get 5ms latency from quest to pc)
Im going to simplify this for some people out there. try to get a tp-link router. hook it up as your main router (MAKE SURE ITS ETHERNET TO YOUR PC). Make sure its close to your wireless pcvr playspace (where you want to play wireless at). from here, go into the tp link settings, put in the admin password (should come with the router). you want to use the 5ghz one when connecting to an internet source with your headset, so go into the setting and change the band of the 5ghz to the highest or ~120 (EXPLINATION: the quest 2 likes to default to the lowest band, which can cause some issues in a house with any other wireless broadcasted internet and downgrades quality. setting it at ~120 locks the band there, and wont allow the quest to downgrade to that lower band). easy as that and your done. save and exit the router settings, connect with your headset to the new router. my reccomendation is through virtual desktop. i wont reccomend airlink due to just how much better virtual desktop is. also thank you for your video Mysticle! you're doing gods work for this community! ill help if anyone needs it!
I think you miss understood what people mean with separate router for vr. Not every router needs a socket for connecting to the internet. What most people mean when they say vr router is a router that kinda acts like a switch with extended features. You put a lan cable in and then it uses that signal to send out wifi while also having multiple lan output ports. Its basically just a switch with dedicated dashboard and wifi antennas. For example a d-link dir-842v2. Its not able to use the sockets in the wall to get internet access, only lan in or wifi in.
can I do this with a hotspot? I live in the middle of no where and i would like to use my hotpot to talk on discord and play games. I actually keep a pretty average connection but I also want to introduce airlink to this any way I can do this. (also and other recommendations would be super helpful. also will airlink take data? I get 200 gbs a month.
I think you already know this but, just for a base line you can get a USB-C to ethernet and it works on the Q2. Its not worth the trouble though other than to test. While it will improve the network latency, you still have encoding and decoding tims as the biggest issue. The biggest jump is a switching to H.265 with something that has a dedicated encoder for that (RTX card or M1/2 on a mac) but considering the cost, your setup might be the best bang for the buck.
I only have a standard 5g wifi connection and mad people in my house using the internet, so it might cut out and things will get blurry, nothing unplayable but the difference in quality between my link cable and over wifi is so noticeable
So I dont need to upgrade my router? Whenever I try to do steam link or something like that it doesn't work. It says something about it being low latency, 2.4. And also something like it has to be connected to my pc.
Are you trying to do some PCVR on a 2.4Hz wifi connection? Sorry, but forget it. Even on a 5G connection it struggles. You need to get a new router with a 6e connection. I got an MSI one, but you can get a TP Link too. Check the TP-Link AXE5400 Tri-Band WiFi 6E Router (Archer AXE75).
@@reikatsukiyomi5926 Yes, the range. If you're interested with a TP link router that has a 6e connection, go with that and just make sure it's in the same room than your Quest 3. We don't need a router with very long range. Also, you want to connect that 6e router to your modem, and only connect your PC in that router. I turned off both the 2.4 and 5g connection to only use the 6e (which is just optional). Don't mess with the settings in the router's options. Keep the 6e options to "Auto". Then when you should have a connection of 2600 mgh per second and a low latency. A latency between 30 and 40 is excellent!
@@reikatsukiyomi5926 By the way, DO NEVER BUY A NETGEAR router. It's a scam believe it or not. They make low quality routers that don't last long, and guess what. Netgear sells technical support packages for outrageous amounts of money which customers need for any type of issue they get (with tech support employees based in India). Don't take my words for it, and search on Google " Netgear technical support scam". There are posts from customers about it.
I actually use the Netgear R7000 as well just standalone with no external access point and it it's still good enough with anywhere from 1-15ms of network latency on my quest 2 so I don't find a need for an external access point and I think a lot of people will be just fine with just an old router.
how can i fix if my quest 2 just freezes randomly for like 1 second and works a bit of time and does it again and sometimes the screen flashes and goes black and when it works again in few seconds it freezes but i can still move the headset and its in like a void where in the middle is a very bugged line of the screen thats frozen (i play on airlink with 1.87 mbps internet speed so that may be the problem but if anyone knows if there is a way to fix it if it's not the internet then help would be appreciated )
Asus RT55 (wifi6), Quest Pro, Airlink 150-500. No problem. But 200 and above has a higher latency and is not suitable for fast games. 300 and above has an excellent picture.
I am trying to create a local network with 2 laptops and 2 quest 2s for pcvr. I have an asus rt-ax55. Does my router require a WAN connection? Will it be stable to connect 2 headsets to the wireless network?
Is a wifi card a good idea? I have a tp link wifi 6 router and the performance is sometimes good and sometimes horrendous and literally unplayable because of compression. I was thinking about getting a 2400 mbps gigabyte wifi card to put into my secondary PCIE lane in my PC. Is it worth it?
I have 5Ghz Wifi Modem setup on my room and im the only one connected. However if i have a phone connected and in a Discord Call. The latency gets interrupted.
I have a good wifi 6 router but one Wall between my room and the router. But every device in my whole room gets full signal 5ghz. Do i need any access points? Or ethernet cable? I literally have my pc at full signal as my headset, too!
The "Router" as most people know it isn't just a router. It's a access point, a switch and a router combined. A router itself is just a gateway to connect a network to other layer 3 networks.
Sooo I use shadow pc. So no physical computer. What do i do to optimize. On my performance overlay in VD its my networking latency thats the issue. Im sure there are others in my position so any help or a short vid like this one would be awsome! Cheers vr Fam
Ad hoc on your pcie wifi card Gigabit ethernet is actually just standard ethernet for the vast, vast majority of devices. You wouldn't switch to 100Mbps. And you really do not need Gigabit Internet
What cpu do you have? I mean my setup is slightly better than yours but my latency is over 10ms so I think it's because of my amd fx 8350 cpu.... ( my GPU is RX6650XT... )
saludos, para tener menor latencia y que los vecinos no te estorben mientras estas jugando por wifi, yo hice un tutorial para tener canal 5G privados (desde el 149 al 165)
its the decoding time thats usually takes the longest, and thats hardware on the pico/quest headset. so for now, even a super optimized network can only get your around 40ms with 100Mbps rate on wireless with VD. which isnt the most amazing thing consider competitive gaming on pc has so low input latency.
That's the trade. You either want to move freely with some latency, or be mostly static for better clarity and no latency. I chose wireless, unless the game absolutely need the cable.
yes, especially in multiplayer or sports games every millisecond counts. For most games it's no big deal to even have up to 100ms of latency, e.g. No Man's Sky or Half Life Alyx. Nevertheless, the decoding time is only one part here and it needs to be lower than the frametime needed, e.g. for 90Hz you need about 11,1ms per frame and for 120Hz you need about 8,3ms. Depending on your resolution settings that is usually no problem. Also the extra buffer in Virtual Desktop needs one additional frametime. You can switch that off, but the game may stutter. The lowest latency i can get is about 23-24ms without buffer and about 34ms with buffer on both Pico 4 and Quest 2 with 90/120Hz with a network latency of about 3-5ms. Another very important factor for the gameplay itself is the controller motion prediction and here the Meta/Oculus Air/Link software is much better and can create and almost zero latency experience. In Virtual Desktop you can always see the in-game hand moving behind your real hand. This is why i mostly play sports games on Quest 2 native or using Air Link and everything else on Steam VR with Virtual Desktop.
@@rangerkayla8824 Indeed, the controller prediction using Virtual Desktop is by far not as good as with Air Link. Meta is way ahead of the competition in this area. I can't say if the actual mesured latency is similar, since i don't play fast paced games on PCVR. I play Tennis or Beat Saber native on the Quest 2, because the latency is almost non-existant and especially Beat Saber looks as good as on PC in my opinion. For PCVR i mostly use the Pico 4 because of the better visuals and comfort. Have you tried Beat Saber on native Quest 2 ? I am also looking forward to Quest 3 and all i want is better visuals, more performance and better comfort.
@@rangerkayla8824 Yes, mods in Standalone Beat Saber are an issue because the game needs to be patched with every update. It works pretty good with BMBF, but it could be possible that it will not be working at all once Quest 2 and also Quest 3 is updated to Android 12L in the upcoming v52 firmware, because with this version you cannot patch APKs anymore without them being updated automatically next time you will try to use them. Regarding latency standalone Beat Saber is far superior to PCVR in my opinion. I would love to see eye tracking in Quest 3, but it still needs to be as cheap as possible because Meta has understood that they have to break the mainstream market and not try to get into pro-market without the hardware being ready for it. Quest Pro is a developer kit and not really usable for most people, neither consumer or professionals. If Quest 3 has Pico 4 similar comfort and lenses and a slighty higher resolution of e.g. 2560x2560 with up to 120Hz i would be happy enough.
Even in the video you show, it seems you get a lot of network spikes up to 15 ms. It is not about just the speed, a consistent network is much more important. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but for me spikes like that are terrible in fast-paced games like Eleven Table Tennis or Shooters.
Why can't we just get a USB based wigi card. There no latency when using the OG videos wireless pcie adapter. Wifi will never make sense. Bandwidth is not the problem. Built in physical speed of waves and the protocol packing and unpacking is.
My GPU is actually failing at the moment, need to throw it into an oven for a reflow some time in the near future😭 For some reason h.265 causes some really weird latency and lag issues with my card. Not sure if it has anything to do with it failing, but yeah, that's why I'm not using it for now 🙁
@@TheMysticle Hmm, that’s weird. Seems to be working fine on my 6700 xt, might have to due with worse encoders on that generation maybe 🤷. Also how bad is the compression or blocking because it’s been getting on my nerves lately cuz I got ocd 😭
Does anyone knows what is that debug panel showing off fps counter, latency and other useful configuration and real-time info? i can't find anything online... is it related to the Meta Quest Pro that Mystcle is using?
@@TheMysticle thank you so much! Do you have any recommendations for some "debug overlay"? I'm currently playing pcvr on quest 2 via airlink on steam games, but i would like to know much much ms and fps i'm seeing from using a wireless connection.
Let me know what your setups look like down below 😃
not good, i can tell ya
I'm currently using an Intel WI-FI 6 AX200 hotspot (from my PC) but intel adapters for some reason require a certain feature to be disabled as it constantly creates a lag interval as it searches for other networks (recommend go watching Virtual Pants video on the script he mentions to disable this) but once disable the hotspot works flawlessly
on my bed
I just use a cable for pcvr on my quest 2, I might actually use this method for whenever I go to my living room for more room
I use a Huawei P20 with mobile hotspot enabled 💀.
It sound really dumb, but it work really well, and I have around 10ms of network latency.
I recently tried using my desktop's Wifi6 network card as a hotspot and connected my Quest 2 to the new network. This worked surprisingly well for PCVR (Virtual Desktop)
When i first started using virtual desktop that was still an unreliable dumpsterfire way to do this, but microsoft seem to have done some serious work on it because I've taken to running the same hotspot from both my desktop and a laptop with results in spitting distance of the dedicated modem. Convenient.
I will try this in the morning. Genius simple solution
@@Eunostos A modem has nothing to do with this at all. The modem is what links the local network to external networks. It modulates and demodulates the signal from your ISP into something your router can understand. Nowadays the modem is usually built in to the router, but in no way does the modem have anything to do with you wireless VR experience.
Yeah, it works, but the resolution is dropped. My ultimate setup would be clear resolution while airlink’ing. …of course my setup is strictly running off wifi 6. I wish I could connect directly to my router 🤔 …router is upstairs and computer is downstairs. Was thinking maybe a mesh router might do the trick 🤔
Does the computer have to be connected through Ethernet cable to the access point or to the modem directly for best results?
I'm glad I took computer networking a few months ago because I actually understood everything in this video! Very helpful!
Never expected this but glad to see it. I was the person who made DIY slimes to use with shadow pc from my oculus quest and wrote the original guide in slimevr for it. I’ve since switched to using wireless vr on a local gaming pc using eero 6E pros with cat6 Ethernet backhaul in bridge mode with a 2.5Gb firewalla handling the routing. Never have issues with latency and honestly even using shadow pc before a lot of the multi gig upgrades to LAN equipment worked well at around 50ms (time to draw not just network) which tuned well can be very playable if your used to lag as much as I am haha. I don’t get motion sick I’m VR but playing RAFT was another story haha 😅
Definitely a great way to do wireless VR. I do recommend some kind of password or other system to keep others from hopping on the gateway with out your permission. I have had issues with relatives trying to connect to the gateway instead of the wireless router ' for the faster internet ' while I was using it and it causing issues.
eeeehhhh... You absolutely SHOULD have passwords on anything network related. Relatives are the least of your problems
No mysti, i dont want to post a funny comment.
understandable have a nice day.
What? Lol
Comment ends up being funny anyways xD
Haha!
Task has failed successfully
I thought your dad was sneakily standing behind you for a second
funny how i get this video recommended only after ordering my new router .... hehe. glad i came up with the same conclusion you did after all.
Changing my channel width to 80mhz from 40mhz was by far the single biggest improvement. Same AP-LR. Running PFsense in a VM. Router is bridged of course. 3650x Cisco Poe switch.
One thing you can do to stop devices from switching between 2.4 Ghz and 5.0 Ghz is changing the SSID for each network so they do not match. I noticed I have a lot less hiccups with all devices when I did that.
I use a DFS channel (58) at 80 Mhz on my setup and it's buttery smooth with no interference from my 10's of neighborhood APs that are in range of mine. This is one of the best things you can do to get rid of those occasional spikes you mentioned. One thing to note here is that it will cause a ton of lag for the Quest Pro controllers on a Quest 2 unless you use PTC to get on v49 and above and only works well on Air Link. Virtual Desktop still has issues while using Quest 2 w/Quest Pro controllers on a DFS channel.
I can confirm this. I have a 5GHz network channel just for VR. Wifi 6 router next to the PC and Playspace scan for interference from other networks and find a free channel, stable 1200Mbps on 5GHz.
Just to say, you can do pcvr literally offline, even if your internet connection is cut for some reason and stuff (yeah no device would have internet to expect your phone with mobile data bit its to state he's 100% right) you just need a good access point with 5ghz or maybe better 6Ghz (wifi 6) even uf your internet subscription dont support it because it's all local. But what i would suggest to you people is actually just sometimes go outside, like maybe to a friend or just any covered place with internet connection and there use the connection to play pcvr stuff using virtual desktop while being anywhere. Its a feature not many people noticed they could actually do and its truly powerful, you will be amazed how low the latency is even outside (as long as you have a good home internet connection this time because your location internet connection matter actually less, hard to explain) just with 20Mbs you can play literally every where even in a forest just. Just keep your pc on and on sleep mode and activate the "start with windows and start in tray" options, so you will always be able to access your desktop anywhere and its still as secure as usual because you actually need to enter your password on the big screen appearing (it log directly on the windows lockscreen).
Sorry i wrote a bit too much, hopefully it was useful
Yep, it annoys me so much when someone says they can't do wireless because they "have slow internet" like it has nothing to do with the internet-
OMG, I watched this entire video to find out stuff about your home and that your latency is 2x of mine :)
The reason the community pushes dedicated "routers" is because there is a range of them that are significantly cheaper than a decent dedicated access point, an example would be the WAX202, a WiFi 6 router which often goes as low as $60. The devices themselves usually end up being used as access points with no actual routing involved and can be added 'in-line', meaning no extra ports are needed. Also, the average household likely uses their ISP provided modem/router combo for WiFi, and these are notoriously mid.
As long as it's in a good spot and in an uncongested band, non-dedicated is fine for VR. Just be aware that every device actively connected to the AP will likely contribute to increased latency. There is only one radio per band in these APs, and for each device connected to a band, the radio has to address them back and forth in different time slices.
WiFi needs a bit of tuning to grant a very good VR experience, which is why the dedicated router method is popular.
You don't have to do all what you describe in the video
I have a quest 2 and a water cooled desktop pc
I built myself with Wi-Fi 6 and a wireless router with Wi-Fi 6
I connect the PC wirelessly to the router and then direct connect the quest 2 to the PC 's Wi-Fi 6
.So if your playing a game that doesn't need the internet you don't even need a router or a access point and if you do need internet this setup works just fine without the PC being connected via Ethernet to the router
You can just connect from headset to your pc directly using Wi-Fi 6
I have no lag at all
I have the pc about 15,20 feet away from my play space
It's basically just like the D-Link air bridge
Only I was doing it this way before they released the air bridge
If you don't have Wi-Fi 6 in your PC get the air bridge and the quest 2 has Wi-Fi 6 built in to direct connect to your PC without all that other stuff
Good breakdown - I had a wifi 6 card on my PC and figured I was smart for tooting about using that, but I would get 80mbps on virtual desktop, guess it's like a bug on some wifi cards, anyways, I get 1200mbps on my comcast wifi 6e router, I have 1.2gbps internet. Works like a charm and mind is blown using a 4090. I even play online multiplayer games on PC because three's 0 difference running native. Crazy!
I still use, Wired PCVR I wish I could have better latency
My ISP's issued router is 5GHz, so I'm just using it for my quest to connect to my pc (which is connected via ethernet to the same router). It's on the next room, but still close enough to get *very* low latency.
However the bandwith leaves a bit to be desired so I play at 50mbps on virtual desktop (Which is juuuust enough to generally avoid color banding)
How much exactly is “very low”? For me anything above 30ms is just unplayable
@@rangerkayla8824 I’m not on quest so I can’t see “the actual latency” but it doesn’t really change anything with the fact that I can’t enjoy VR gaming when latency in VD is above 30, I usually get 22-25 which is somehow acceptable but still not perfect, how do you guys play with 30 or 40+ is still a secret to me, maybe you just care less
Waiting for my PICO 4 to arrive... Im so freaking anxious im watching all of your videos hahaha
x2
Thanks for sharing all this mate. Biggest 2x surprises for me are that you are using a pretty low end AMD 5700xt gpu (about equiv to a rtx3060, but with slower encoders), and also that your feel the need to use Virtual Desktop instead of Air Link (so, no Local Dimming option for you right now). Like you said, as long as it works well for you, that's great.
Yeah I was surprised with the 5700xt gpu as well
You def don't know what "low-end" means
@@avelkm Ya, maybe more medium-end, lol! Still kinda low-end for complex PCVR games/sims imho.
A very timely video for me! I finally got a quest 2, my first vr headset. And have been trying to figure router setup now.
1. Router/access point needs to be in the same room as your headset.
2. Router/access point must support 5GHz, preferably wifi 6.
3. There must be a gigabit ethernet CABLE to your gaming PC.
4. Use different SSIDs for 5GHz and 2.4GHz.
5. Select a 5GHz channel which does not interfere with your neighbours Wifi.
That's about it.
good amount of information and explains how local internet works really well
my room also doesn't get wifi so this video is a godsent, thank you so much
How do you not see the god awful compression in VD??
Yea it's pretty bad, but it's worth it for wireless gameplay imo
Yup I've got the same AP. Setup a separate SSID for the Quest to keep all other traffic away from it. It's wifi6, but I will upgrade it to 6e when the next quest has it.
2:14 advanced tomato 🍅 😂
i mean- I had to turn my dedicated router into an access point by disabling its DCHP capabilities, so you're right about that lol
I use a mikrotik router. One port is internet coming from my modem, one port goes to a 2.5gig switch which runs to my pc, home server and my VR access point. I then have a separate port on my router that runs to another switch which connects my consoles and my primary wireless AP. I try to split them a bit to help keep minimal network traffic for any devices connected between the vr access point and the pc.
As a CCNA certified professional, I can confirm the technical aspects covered in this video are accurate. Now, for those serious about PCVR, particularly games like MSFS 2020 or Assetto Corsa where movement is limited, a high-speed USB 3 cable might be a better choice compared to Wi-Fi.
I have the original long $90 dollar meta cable and the performance in msfs2020 with it is ugly AF. Never could make it work properly. Lots of artifacts, stutters, etc. Virtual desktop is the only way I've found to have spectacular visuals and performance. Quest 2 and 3 / rtx 4090.
If oculus was to make a box for pc that was able to connect our quests to the pc wirless with the lowest latency possible and at high bitrate i think we would ALL buy it
I simply have a managed 24 port managed Netgear POE switch, with a couple Unifi 6 Pro APs. I don't use a gaming router. I used to but now use a custom-built PfSense router/firewall.
Most routers can be setup as an access point. Takes some learning but don’t skip out on good deals if you see the right specs on a router
Thanks for sharing. My setup is similar. 2 Asus ax88u and AC88u with open firmware running in Access point mode. I went back to cable -type c 2 c( since most things I do are in my office chair). I thought I read a while back that Quest 2 is not capable of true WiFi 6. PRo prob. does. Hat's off to you for being real, sincere, and honest/humble. There is hope after all for this Generation ;-)
With slime trackers and movies playing in my house, my ping was 30-60, then I tried a range extender and I got 150 ping then I installed an access point and finally I got 1 millisecond ping.
So you connect the access point to the router and then pc to the rourter?
I've streamed close to 8 TB of data over my Unifi AP. The WiFi 6 ones are rock solid.
Well, I don't even have an access point and I still get a great connection to my pc
I have a ZTE F-680, I have no clue if it's a good router, I think not since it's what my internet provider gave me but hey, it just works
I have my pc wired to my router, which still is only like a meter away
Sometimes I get lagspikes that make me see weird stuff in-game but never have I had the headset lagging or disconnecting from my pc
Worth noting: I specifically assigned different SSIDs for 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz, I only connect to the 5GHz one with my headset
I have the Unifi UAP Pro, U6, and the LR, and VR connections are all about the same. Wifi 6 only helps if your in a busy Wifi area.
If my pc is already connected to my router via ethernet, will a vr router even improve my experience?
I just have some random crappy Wifi 5 router that I use to host a wifi signal to my Quest 3, 6 iPhones for imu FBT, and Ethernet to PC. I get imu latency of below 3ms and virtual desktop networking latency of about 4ms
Also i saw on forums about using 80MHz-wide wifi channel for better performance
I used to play a mmorpg with no issues on ADSL with a good router. I now have wifi 6 and get a latency of 12 or less as reported by virtual desktop on my PC. The total latency as reported 9n 5he Quest 2 is in the high 30s.
Watch this through my five XR Elite. good video.
yo my guy your smart asf
What are the requirements for the access point or wireless router besides 5ghz and wifi 6?
A very good video. Could you please make a follow-up on your settings with virtual desktop/air link
The Danny Devi to scared me
An absolute house of spaghetti.
But it works.
I have three Eero mesh access points off my modem, and a small headless switch that connects to all the rooms.
when will you make a video "how to set up a full body tracking with quest pro controllers"??
I’m amazed that people can actually enjoy playing vr with 50+ ms ping… my ping through virtual desktop is 23-25 and even like that it still annoy me a bit because I can still in fact feel that everything is not as snappy as it could be, but when I first set up it without additional tweaking it was around 40-50 ms which is completely normal for most of the users but not for me. Pico 4 is an amazing headset for sure, but it feels like I just can’t really enjoy vr with latency and non base station tracking, this actually makes me want to buy index so bad, the biggest problem is that they aren’t selling them officially in my country…
Yes i was watchin the video and he was saying he had under 10, but the video showed him at 50.
I was a bit confused.
@@TENGILL He's talking about only the network latency alone. Network latency is only one part of the total latency.
I think you might need a bunk bed above your computer desk, then it will free up some room space for VR space.
Hey, how about a video about optimal virtual desktop settings? I think I've got it right, but I don't know what half of the sliders actually do.
I havw two Netgear R8000s running FreshTomato. One is chained into the other, and all the DHCP (IP assignment) is handled for everything across both of their APs by the first one. The speed is great, the signal is able to penetrate the steel sheet walls of my house, and with the Quest 1, running maximum bandwidth with VD, can get consistent network latemcy of 4-5ms. The routers are just a single generation newer version of Mysticle's R7000, and with the right CFW, they get equivalent or better latency performance than the Unifi AP. I don't just say better, because the Quest 1 is hard limited to 100MbPS in VD, due to a less capable internal wifi and decoder, which skews results just a bit.
Wow! That sounds like a great setup, I was actually going to upgrade my R7000 to the R8000 when I got the new office space. However, that doesn't seem to be happening anymore so I might just go ahead and upgrade it for the house. Especially if you're saying the wifi in them is good, I could have the access point upstairs and the wifi downstairs, giving even more range 😃
@@TheMysticle They sell for $80 refurbished now, I'd recommend picking one up. The Stock genie firmware is hot garbage, gives 7-8ms in the same setup and has intermittent DNS issues, so the FreshTomato firmware is a must. My second R8000 is actually one of the $80 refurbs.
I got a Huawei honor 3 router that i use as WiFi repeater, receiver and hotspot for dedicated wireless pcvr (it picks up wifi from the main router and is connected with ethernet to my pc, and my quest is connected to it. I get 5ms latency from quest to pc)
Im going to simplify this for some people out there. try to get a tp-link router. hook it up as your main router (MAKE SURE ITS ETHERNET TO YOUR PC). Make sure its close to your wireless pcvr playspace (where you want to play wireless at). from here, go into the tp link settings, put in the admin password (should come with the router). you want to use the 5ghz one when connecting to an internet source with your headset, so go into the setting and change the band of the 5ghz to the highest or ~120 (EXPLINATION: the quest 2 likes to default to the lowest band, which can cause some issues in a house with any other wireless broadcasted internet and downgrades quality. setting it at ~120 locks the band there, and wont allow the quest to downgrade to that lower band). easy as that and your done. save and exit the router settings, connect with your headset to the new router.
my reccomendation is through virtual desktop. i wont reccomend airlink due to just how much better virtual desktop is.
also thank you for your video Mysticle! you're doing gods work for this community!
ill help if anyone needs it!
DD-WRT and Merlin are alts to Advanced Tomato
I think you miss understood what people mean with separate router for vr. Not every router needs a socket for connecting to the internet. What most people mean when they say vr router is a router that kinda acts like a switch with extended features. You put a lan cable in and then it uses that signal to send out wifi while also having multiple lan output ports. Its basically just a switch with dedicated dashboard and wifi antennas. For example a d-link dir-842v2. Its not able to use the sockets in the wall to get internet access, only lan in or wifi in.
can I do this with a hotspot? I live in the middle of no where and i would like to use my hotpot to talk on discord and play games. I actually keep a pretty average connection but I also want to introduce airlink to this any way I can do this. (also and other recommendations would be super helpful. also will airlink take data? I get 200 gbs a month.
I think you already know this but, just for a base line you can get a USB-C to ethernet and it works on the Q2. Its not worth the trouble though other than to test. While it will improve the network latency, you still have encoding and decoding tims as the biggest issue. The biggest jump is a switching to H.265 with something that has a dedicated encoder for that (RTX card or M1/2 on a mac) but considering the cost, your setup might be the best bang for the buck.
I just have a Netgear Nighthawk RAX 120. Pc is attached to that with Ethernet. Similar performance to you. Not let me down yet.
I get 4-5ms using Wifi 6 max it hits is 6ms @800mbps. I am confused how you guys get such high latency?
I only have a standard 5g wifi connection and mad people in my house using the internet, so it might cut out and things will get blurry, nothing unplayable but the difference in quality between my link cable and over wifi is so noticeable
make them use 2.4 network and use 5 for Quest only) Rename 5g network to something like esp32wifivacuum)
So I dont need to upgrade my router? Whenever I try to do steam link or something like that it doesn't work. It says something about it being low latency, 2.4. And also something like it has to be connected to my pc.
Are you trying to do some PCVR on a 2.4Hz wifi connection? Sorry, but forget it. Even on a 5G connection it struggles. You need to get a new router with a 6e connection. I got an MSI one, but you can get a TP Link too. Check the TP-Link AXE5400 Tri-Band WiFi 6E Router (Archer AXE75).
@@callofthecthulhu4148 is there a difference between the TP and the MSI? Thank you!
@@reikatsukiyomi5926 Yes, the range. If you're interested with a TP link router that has a 6e connection, go with that and just make sure it's in the same room than your Quest 3. We don't need a router with very long range.
Also, you want to connect that 6e router to your modem, and only connect your PC in that router. I turned off both the 2.4 and 5g connection to only use the 6e (which is just optional). Don't mess with the settings in the router's options. Keep the 6e options to "Auto". Then when you should have a connection of 2600 mgh per second and a low latency. A latency between 30 and 40 is excellent!
@@reikatsukiyomi5926 By the way, DO NEVER BUY A NETGEAR router. It's a scam believe it or not. They make low quality routers that don't last long, and guess what. Netgear sells technical support packages for outrageous amounts of money which customers need for any type of issue they get (with tech support employees based in India). Don't take my words for it, and search on Google " Netgear technical support scam". There are posts from customers about it.
I actually use the Netgear R7000 as well just standalone with no external access point and it it's still good enough with anywhere from 1-15ms of network latency on my quest 2 so I don't find a need for an external access point and I think a lot of people will be just fine with just an old router.
how can i fix if my quest 2 just freezes randomly for like 1 second and works a bit of time and does it again and sometimes the screen flashes and goes black and when it works again in few seconds it freezes but i can still move the headset and its in like a void where in the middle is a very bugged line of the screen thats frozen (i play on airlink with 1.87 mbps internet speed so that may be the problem but if anyone knows if there is a way to fix it if it's not the internet then help would be appreciated )
Usb 2 vs usb 3 vs link vs air link, when?
Asus RT55 (wifi6), Quest Pro, Airlink 150-500. No problem. But 200 and above has a higher latency and is not suitable for fast games. 300 and above has an excellent picture.
I am trying to create a local network with 2 laptops and 2 quest 2s for pcvr. I have an asus rt-ax55. Does my router require a WAN connection? Will it be stable to connect 2 headsets to the wireless network?
Do you still feel like wireless is a little lower resolution when playing
Funni comment
Is a wifi card a good idea? I have a tp link wifi 6 router and the performance is sometimes good and sometimes horrendous and literally unplayable because of compression.
I was thinking about getting a 2400 mbps gigabyte wifi card to put into my secondary PCIE lane in my PC. Is it worth it?
Funny how I literally study networks in school and I didn't even realize that network speeds wouldn't matter for this sort of thing.
I have 5Ghz Wifi Modem setup on my room and im the only one connected. However if i have a phone connected and in a Discord Call. The latency gets interrupted.
I have a good wifi 6 router but one Wall between my room and the router. But every device in my whole room gets full signal 5ghz. Do i need any access points? Or ethernet cable? I literally have my pc at full signal as my headset, too!
Get some meshes and create a mesh network.
The "Router" as most people know it isn't just a router. It's a access point, a switch and a router combined. A router itself is just a gateway to connect a network to other layer 3 networks.
Protip: drop video buffering from VD when playing beat saber :p It'll be better, trust.
Hey, if you don’t mind answering, would a AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT graphics card work for PCVR games?
And also I’m one room away from my router, so would being closer or having my pc physically connected to the router help?
Sooo I use shadow pc. So no physical computer.
What do i do to optimize.
On my performance overlay in VD its my networking latency thats the issue.
Im sure there are others in my position so any help or a short vid like this one would be awsome!
Cheers vr Fam
@The Mysticle What is the game your playing in the background?
Does this also work with 2.4ghz internet routers?
Does the Quest Pro support 6ghz yet?
Did they fix hvec crop for pico 4 on amd yet?
Ad hoc on your pcie wifi card
Gigabit ethernet is actually just standard ethernet for the vast, vast majority of devices. You wouldn't switch to 100Mbps. And you really do not need Gigabit Internet
What cpu do you have? I mean my setup is slightly better than yours but my latency is over 10ms so I think it's because of my amd fx 8350 cpu.... ( my GPU is RX6650XT... )
i only get 10 mb/s internet and my wireless pc vr experience is really good with only some latency
saludos, para tener menor latencia y que los vecinos no te estorben mientras estas jugando por wifi, yo hice un tutorial para tener canal 5G privados (desde el 149 al 165)
I have Ryzen 5 5600 and rtx 3060. I am still dealing with high gpu ms issues and I don't know why
My oculus resulution 4486x2256 something like that. And hz is 80
its the decoding time thats usually takes the longest, and thats hardware on the pico/quest headset.
so for now, even a super optimized network can only get your around 40ms with 100Mbps rate on wireless with VD. which isnt the most amazing thing consider competitive gaming on pc has so low input latency.
That's the trade. You either want to move freely with some latency, or be mostly static for better clarity and no latency. I chose wireless, unless the game absolutely need the cable.
yes, especially in multiplayer or sports games every millisecond counts. For most games it's no big deal to even have up to 100ms of latency, e.g. No Man's Sky or Half Life Alyx. Nevertheless, the decoding time is only one part here and it needs to be lower than the frametime needed, e.g. for 90Hz you need about 11,1ms per frame and for 120Hz you need about 8,3ms. Depending on your resolution settings that is usually no problem. Also the extra buffer in Virtual Desktop needs one additional frametime. You can switch that off, but the game may stutter. The lowest latency i can get is about 23-24ms without buffer and about 34ms with buffer on both Pico 4 and Quest 2 with 90/120Hz with a network latency of about 3-5ms. Another very important factor for the gameplay itself is the controller motion prediction and here the Meta/Oculus Air/Link software is much better and can create and almost zero latency experience. In Virtual Desktop you can always see the in-game hand moving behind your real hand. This is why i mostly play sports games on Quest 2 native or using Air Link and everything else on Steam VR with Virtual Desktop.
@@rangerkayla8824 Indeed, the controller prediction using Virtual Desktop is by far not as good as with Air Link. Meta is way ahead of the competition in this area. I can't say if the actual mesured latency is similar, since i don't play fast paced games on PCVR. I play Tennis or Beat Saber native on the Quest 2, because the latency is almost non-existant and especially Beat Saber looks as good as on PC in my opinion. For PCVR i mostly use the Pico 4 because of the better visuals and comfort. Have you tried Beat Saber on native Quest 2 ? I am also looking forward to Quest 3 and all i want is better visuals, more performance and better comfort.
@@rangerkayla8824 Yes, mods in Standalone Beat Saber are an issue because the game needs to be patched with every update. It works pretty good with BMBF, but it could be possible that it will not be working at all once Quest 2 and also Quest 3 is updated to Android 12L in the upcoming v52 firmware, because with this version you cannot patch APKs anymore without them being updated automatically next time you will try to use them.
Regarding latency standalone Beat Saber is far superior to PCVR in my opinion.
I would love to see eye tracking in Quest 3, but it still needs to be as cheap as possible because Meta has understood that they have to break the mainstream market and not try to get into pro-market without the hardware being ready for it. Quest Pro is a developer kit and not really usable for most people, neither consumer or professionals.
If Quest 3 has Pico 4 similar comfort and lenses and a slighty higher resolution of e.g. 2560x2560 with up to 120Hz i would be happy enough.
Even in the video you show, it seems you get a lot of network spikes up to 15 ms. It is not about just the speed, a consistent network is much more important. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but for me spikes like that are terrible in fast-paced games like Eleven Table Tennis or Shooters.
Why can't we just get a USB based wigi card. There no latency when using the OG videos wireless pcie adapter.
Wifi will never make sense. Bandwidth is not the problem. Built in physical speed of waves and the protocol packing and unpacking is.
It shouldn’t be like this 😅. I’ll try the dongle when they release that in the UK
tbh even without changing anything inside the router my isp gave me i still get less than 40ms of ping in virtual desktop
@themystical what game are you playing in this video?
The Forest 🙂
You actually want a router that supports 802.11ax for max throughput
myst + testicle (I love it!)
I CLICKED SO FAST AS I CAN BEACAUSE I WANNA DO PC VR
Why so low bitrate? It’s between 500 and 700. With 5GHz you should be around 900-1200. Maybe you have too many devices connected to the ap?
Nothing to do with wi-fi, 150mbps is the video encoding/decoding bitrate
Isnt using the HEVC codec is better than h.264 for amd? I saw that you were using the h.264 codec for VD
My GPU is actually failing at the moment, need to throw it into an oven for a reflow some time in the near future😭 For some reason h.265 causes some really weird latency and lag issues with my card. Not sure if it has anything to do with it failing, but yeah, that's why I'm not using it for now 🙁
@@TheMysticle Hmm, that’s weird. Seems to be working fine on my 6700 xt, might have to due with worse encoders on that generation maybe 🤷. Also how bad is the compression or blocking because it’s been getting on my nerves lately cuz I got ocd 😭
I can confirm that using HEVC with an amd 6950xt gives me lower latency than h.264
2 things. latency and compression
Does anyone knows what is that debug panel showing off fps counter, latency and other useful configuration and real-time info? i can't find anything online... is it related to the Meta Quest Pro that Mystcle is using?
It's actually part of Virtual desktop, which is what I use for Wireless PCVR 🙂 it's in the settings of the app, called the performance overlay.
@@TheMysticle thank you so much!
Do you have any recommendations for some "debug overlay"? I'm currently playing pcvr on quest 2 via airlink on steam games, but i would like to know much much ms and fps i'm seeing from using a wireless connection.
@@julius_6022 In the Oculus Debug Tools settings, you can enable the debug overlay. The second useful program is Fpsvr
What GPU is this?
Bro we can litterally see the name of his GPU on more than 50% of the video