Nice attitude, fanboy. The dude gives a fair and honest review of your stupid space wizard show and you act like this Nobody hates Star Wars more than you ass flies....
Okay. This show was mid to garbage. It was written and produced like an episode of animated television for 5 yr olds. If you love Rebels, fine. But you should expect better when this show effectively just nuked StarWars once again.
@Mark_Knight Girl bossing isn't the problem. It's a writing problem. Sigourney Weaver in Alien was fine. Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2 was fine. Camina Drummer or Chrisjen Avasarala on The Expanse are fine. Mulan (animated) was fine. Matter of fact Mulan is an excellent example of good and bad writing. The live action Mulan has horrible! In the live action, she no character flaws. She starts out super strong and skilled. There is basically no character arc... and it becomes boring. A strong female character isn't the problem... it's characters with no flaws/growth/change/that are the problem.
@@jasonplayer9047 Girl bossing is a problem. Sigorny and Linda were not girl bosses. Girl bosses need no man, act like a man, and talk down to men...hence girl bosses are a problem.
Ok, try this. Have Ahsoka and Sabine be played by men, same lines/story/pacing. The show would still have the same issues. Also, Ripley isn't a Girl bossing?! Wow, I think we have *very* different ideas about girl bossing. @@Mark_Knight
It's been a long time since I watched Clone Wars and Rebels, but I seem to recall those versions of Ahsoka, Hera and Sabine being a lot more lively and likable.
100x times more, Hera used to be a respectable caring leader who didnt need to pull rank to win every single argument. Sabine used to be a skilled mandalorian who thought beside jedi as an equal despite not having the force who also learnt that bottling things up and not seeking help whilst grieving just causes wounds to never heal. Ahsoka used to be a complex character trying to figure out what her roles is in the galaxy, unsure if she wants to be a jedi yet she took on a padawan and trained Sabine to be a jedi. The main reason rebels ended with Kannan dying and Ezra going missing was so that Yoda's statement of Luke being the last jedi was true, Ahsoka didnt consider herself a jedi at the time, or so we though. This was the writers of rebels filling in a plot hole, one Filoni has now ripped open by having Ahsoka take on a padawan during the events of OT, confirming she sees herself as a jedi and is willing to train someone, why on earth didn't she train luke then, he could have defiantly benefited with having someone teach him lightsaber forms at least as Yoda focused on his force training.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 This is what inevitably happens when an IP gets over saturated. Things start to unravel when writers can’t keep a cohesive narrative.
This comment is told from the perspective of someone who never even heard of Rebels. After I watched the first few episodes, I was so confused about who most of these characters were. I would go on social media to see what other people think, and fans would be explaining all this stuff that wasn’t actually happening in the show. Confused, and as someone who has never heard of Rebels, I thought I was missing details in these episodes. I felt like I was just not as smart as the fans who “caught” these details or that I wasn’t paying enough attention. Deep down, I knew I WAS paying attention during my first watch, but then would go back and rewatch these bland episodes anyway to see what I missed and to find out how fans are catching things in the show that I’m not. Then I ran into a video on UA-cam where I learned of Rebels and then understood what fans defending the show were doing. I was so pissed! I SUBJECTED MYSELF TO WATCHING THIS SHOW TWICE because I thought I was missing something when really it was just fans watching Rebels and then writing the story of Ahsoka themselves! GREAT. I loved Andor even though I’ve never seen Rogue One. They need to just hire the Andor creatives to write all their sh*t because everything else is terrible and they seem to be the only competent ones.
I could not agree more. There are ridiculous things (fighting ships in space with a light saber) and Rebels fans respond with "silly you, that happened in the animated show!". As if that prevents it from being abysmally stupid in any context!! Andor was awesome, Tony Gilroy indeed needs to be given more projects to do.
@@ammagnoliaIt’s about balance. I agree we shouldn’t force ourselves to like things. But also I think it’s good to be willing to sit with things. To be willing to give things a second watch. And that’s all this person did.
Not even, they're making basic elementary and high school writing errors. Basic cause and effect/continuity. These are things you'd fail a writing course on in college. There's a reason why critiques of the sequels are so much more popular than say... Star Wars Music Videos, or fan videos. Far more people, especially those who create content, are more annoyed and pissed than anything.
His animated clone wars was genuinely amazing so i don’t understand how these shows come out this way. I’ve stopped watching forever ago but hey until Star Wars straight up flops they won’t put effort in. It’s like game freak Pokémon. Dummies will give money REGARDLESS why try?
@@varonvan6336 oh are you serious? Dude it’s game of thrones all of again where people aren’t respecting the IP outside of themselves. They’re trying so hard to distinguish themselves all they end up showing is they’re too egotistical
@@vinsanity3510NEITHER of them wrote the scripts. They were the supervisors, all they did was make sure everything was in order and proof the final ideas. Their role in what made the animated series good is massively overstated.
I can imagine Filoni directing these with a stopwatch in his hand - ‘OMG five minutes short. Talk slower. Extra pauses. More arm folding. Come on people..!’
How hard would it have been for Hera to tell the Senate: "Thrawn's a military genius. If he returns, he can rally the scattered remnants of the Empire and use them in ways you are not ready for."
yeah the scenes where they were discussing Thrawn with the senate was extremely frustrating. Hera was intentionally vague which allowed her statements to be thrown into question, whereas if she had clearly explained how real the threat Thrawn was, it wouldn’t have gone as badly i feel.
I just cant comprehend how Filoni forgot the characters arcs of his own characters. As a writer i have put countless hours into making and forming my characters and their arcs. I cant forget them because their arcs are so ingrained in my mind, i know them like the back of my hand. Filoni has no excuse and no logical reason to throw out his own characters' arcs and personalities
The answer is that Filoni was only about 7% of the creativity behind Rebels. There were many more hands, more talented hands, behind the production of that great show. Writers, directors, people keeping track of character arcs and story arcs. In the show Ahsoka, when the whole thing was all put into Filoni's hands 100%, this is the crap-storm you get.
@@reubzdubz i saw someone play kotor 1 and 2 recently and said it was shity... kotor 2 was too complex for them and they didnt understand kreia and none of the games had any references to the originals or prequels.... i shit you not they said that... THAT is the kind of lowest common denominator of abject moron that disney is trying to gear these for... because they are happy so long as it looks like star wars and has a lot of references they understand because then they feel smart for getting it and it manipulated the moron into thinking its deeper than it really is.
For people who HAVE watched Rebels, watching Ahsoka is like having your best memories ripped out of your mind and your heart, and having them stepped on, shit on, chopped into pieces, and put back into you.
You're so right about how empty the plot is. They're just dangling Star Wars "stuff" like a rorschach test in front of the audience without ever having the balls to actually pin down anything definitive or meaningful.
@@jeremyallen5974They're already ignoring their own lore, so its not like it would matter anyways. Why decide anything when vague mystery boxes never need to be opened?
When my fiance is watching Gilmore girls I always notice how there are just no breaks in the dialog and it sounds like the characters just never breath in or stop talking, weird to a show do the exact opposite and be even worse because of it.
You're so right in your opening about all of Disney SW and other modern movie making. They conceive of "cool" scenes like space horses charging across the top of a ship or forty million star destroyers, then attempt to write around them with little regard for anything else.
This is because of the success of the MCU. Kevin Feige openly admitted in interviews that this type of strategy was used in the production of those movies. Disney probably thought if it worked for the MCU then it probably will work for Star Wars.
Lately fans of original cartoons are disappointed by the live action remakes. At least it seems most Rebels fans like ''Ashoka''. I'm not one of them, but I appreciate that as an achievement of Rebels season 5.
“Who are you and why are you letting your hair define you” is a question that I suspect would shatter the egos of everyone involved in “writing” these Disney shows 😂
For 30 years SW was able to attract interest from each new generation of fan while still maintaining the previous . Now that chain is breaking on both ends. The old fans leaving and new fans not buying in.
When I was watching this I was so confused about some of the choices the characters made. Like especially when Thrawn didnt like immediately leave the planet. Giving Sabine the force kinda defeats the point of her character. And Ezra is dumbed down like mad, he would've taken that light saber as soon as Sabine offered it to him, because he knows how important it is that they survive, but since shes a marry sue in this he refuses.
I think the best way to describe my experience watching the show is... Ahsoka is more or less only held aloft by fanservice. Oh look it's Hayden, yay! Oh look it's a story about Star Wars Rebels! Oh look it's Thrawn! Yay it's Sips! But if you remove all fanservice, all cameos and all pre-established characters, can you really say this is a good story? Would you rewatch it? Does it convey the same emotional stakes? It doesn't for me, in fact most of the characters I'd have zero connection with if I didn't know them from other shows. Watch Andor, a show that has virtually NO pre-established characters and it still delivered phenomenal storytelling and memorable characters.
I've got to see a making of Asohka! 'So yeah the scenes were just blazing through so quickly that that we couldn't fulfil the proper runtime to watchtime viewing metrics that would satisfy nielson but then Mr. Filoni had this great idea 'What if everyone talked and moved really slow?' It was like a light bulb went off. 'We've really got a hit on here''
The Ahsoka Hera dialogue scene in the beginning sounds like an old video game dub from before they had decent lipsync technology and had to making constant pauses to match the original lip sync
Regarding your history class analogy, I feel more connected to the story the wacky Kings and Queens of Tudor England than anybody from Ashoka. Even when written dryly in a textbook. Because they have defining characteristics, even when written in a matter-of-fact way. Henry VIII was a greedy yet talented man who womanised and ate until he died. Elizabeth 1 was the picky virgin queen who used her strange feminine charm to entice her captains to expand England’s global power. Henry VII was a great, clever leader overall, he won many battles and made peace with the European powers, who couldn’t give his children the right temperament to rule. Etc. What can I say about Ashoka’s characters in a similar way? They are either stoic (uphold authority) or cheekily defiant (go against it) or some odd combination of both. Nobody is greedy, or devious, or emotionally distraught, or fearful, or playful. There is no spice whatsoever.
I have seen very little of Filoni's work. And what I have seen makes me convinced he's a driving force to make the universe as uninteresting and dull as possible
clone wars is genuinely really good (and some people apparently like rebels) which is why a lot of people like Filoni even though his recent output has been shit.
@@randomname9723People make it seem like Filoni was the only writer for clone wars lol, he was one of many, including George Lucas who genuinelly is a genius when it comrs to creating interesting stories (lets not talk about his dialogue tho haha)
@@user-oo3oi9ki2jPeople talk like Filoni single handedly wrote and directed every single episode of TCW. I bet the guy was just a producer who barely wrote or directed anything
Holy shit the comparison to rings of power was SPOT on. Both shows suffer from the same problems but i think Ahsoka was worse. At least rings of power looked good, and had a few interesting developments/great scenes. All the choreography/character designs/set designs in Ahsoka were terrible
I agree with your criticism. It’s a mystery box nonsense all over again maxed with Filoni’s naïve fanboying. I don’t understand why did he think that Thrawn will fit in his magical-fairytale-ish Filoniverse. They talk about him in the Ahsoka show like he is some kind of a Sauron whose return would mean the end of the world. He is a talented strategist, a smart and cunning commander, but he is not a supernatural being, for crying out loud! It’s like to make a post WWII show where characters are terrified that Eirich von Manstein will return and destroy the world.
Yes spot on. I forsee a bizarre future where films will change during viewing, based on the viewers data and their personal preferences in real time. Especially with the advent of AI tech. Keep people in their own personal bubble so they cant be annoyed.
5:40 I loved this scene. I got so emotionally invested for that creature. :) Of course, that's not what the creator's intention was, but that's what they managed.
9:45 This is something I hated about the show. Every other time Thrawn has been introduced into Star Wars, he’s done something incredibly smart which shows the audience how smart he is right off the bat. The opening battle of Heir to the Empire. His infiltration of the star destroyer in Thrawn. His academy manoeuvre Thrawn Ascendancy. His battle with the Trade Federation in Outbound Flight. All have shown Thrawn’s genius to the reader. Even his introduction in rebels did this. He puts together several pieces of info, predicts the rebels’ next move, and lays out a trap for the rebels. When he sees they haven’t taken the bait, he breaks off, and slowly builds up his position until he can surround the whole rebel fleet and destroy them in one fell swoop. And at that point the rebels were only saved by plot armour and divine intervention.
Filoni rippped off scenes from the OT, treasure planet, the clone wars, rebels, LOTR, and more. Combined all of those plagiarised scenes with memberberries and said, ta daaa. And tens of fans cheered. That is how the star wars universe dies...with thunderous applause.
Star Wars lost the forest for the trees. All shows are now based on cameos based on shows made years ago based on books that were non-canonized except when Disney wants, which were based on movies made decades ago based on movies made decades ago. I think there is still some stories to be told in this universe, if they can get their heads out of their asses and making everyone related to each other somehow like we are watching Intergalactic Dallas Bad Robot and its consequences have been a disaster for the film and tv industries.
I have heard that this show was very expensive, despite only having eight episodes. While it is really looking good it has cheap writing, cheap acting and is cheap directed. Years ago producers were able to produce like twenty episodes of an action series a year with the costs not going through the roof. Where did all the money go? Is it some kind of fraud?
I thought it was ok as a follow up to Rebels, but the pacing was so slow to stretch out the plot that it felt like nothing was happening much of the time or people were unbelievably dumb just to prevent the plot from progressing. It could have been half the number of episodes it had. I can see why the general audience dropped off. The show assumes you know the lore from the animated shows, and without that context there’s not enough presented to get invested in the characters or story.
the hair makes sense in context of rebels but it's moments like this where you might as well do a flashback to kanan cutting his hair if you aren't even going to bother making it clear what's going on
The phrase “polished turd” comes to mind when I see the stories of these modern shows. They look amazing visually, but a better story could be told with shadow puppets.
Simple minded people can enjoy poorly told and well told stories, but complex minded people can only enjoy the latter. Why please both when the simple can’t tell the difference, and there are more of them than the complex. Story tellers SHOULD feel obligated to please the people who need quality for enjoyment since that leaves everyone happy, except the accountants. *this assumes the story tellers themselves are of any quality 😅
As someone who has seen very little Clone Wars and none of Rebels, I thought the series was ok. I never really got that invested in the characters but I enjoyed the fan service. Seeing Hayden back as THIS Anakin was a dream come true and Baylan Skoll was a great new villainous character. RIP Ray Stevenson. Great review
this fan service is just the part that is wrong with it like im for fan service but not this kind its just a god damn member berry saying remember the good star wars or remember clone wars this is what is wrong with disney and they should just either sell it or just make something good because this is not working out anymore
Right, Stevenson spun the handful of character straw he was given into gold, but you can blow holes in gold stretched this thin. (Turning the rack screws on this metaphor, I know.)
Star Wars just needs to be in capable hands rn its in the hands of execs and marketing its all made to sell but i think some day it might be in capable hands again..
Very good video. Articulated my feelings on the matter perfectly. This show was their last opportunity to pivot away from the madness that was the sequel trilogy as well as the dismal direction of star wars shows in general. Instead it was reinforcement for both categories. Filoni and whoever else was in charge of BookOfBoba/MandalorianS3 are absolutely clueless storytellers. What a shame. I will always love the 6 movie saga, but I am washing my hands of this rotten Disney franchise.
17:03 - nonsense. The line level dialogue may have been awkward but the characters and their motivations were clear and the action always moved toward those objectives.
So you say but your knee jerk comment loses ALL credibility when one looks at how Sabeen's 'story' played out She fucked over the galaxy to see Ezra again but when she DOES see him again she barely even talks to the dude or even acknowledges his presence
13:02 kay I haven't seen this animated show.. what's the context for how it makes any sense that a hologram is glitching to reveal someone's dual personality, like, visually? At least in Ahsoka, Anakin's "glitching" is like a spectral.. Force.. time-travel.. ghost? thing?
I believe the 'nice old man in white' is supposed to be an artificial modification to the hologram. An illusion of some sort. Now why image masking is so buggy is dumb but im pretty sure thats the context.
TL;DR: This would have worked much better as a movie instead of a miniseries, and the characters don't feel as vibrant as the characters in the movies. If this was a movie instead of a miniseries, it would work much better pacing-wise. There are lots of scenes that are just filled with dead air, and everything is just so slow. The universe in almost all these miniseries feels so empty as well. In the movies, there were tons of characters, and the felt alive. The universe felt giant and so interesting. Even in the sequel trilogy, it felt alive and it felt right. Also, the characters actually had personality, even the calm, more experienced Jedi characters such as Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi (PT and OT eras), etc. None of them acted way too "chill" (for lack of a better word), like Ahsoka in this show.
The characters are frequently stationary, save for a few "contained" fight sequences. Contained, meaning the fight always occurs within the bounds of a defined area, the action doesn't transition into somewhere else, therefore boring. Look at Obi-wans fight on Utapau. Yes, it's the same planet but look at how many transitions occurred in every scene featuring Utapau. Also, there is no dynamic backdrop. Nothing is happening except a group of actors standing together on a set. This is Star Wars. Where are the civilians racing around in speeders and ships? Where are Luke's trainees? Where are some New Republic trials?
More people need to start calling out like you do how there is so much "dramatic silence" in these shows. The writers leaving so much not said is not because they want the audience to put the pieces together or some other artistic reason. It's because the writers can't think of anything interesting for the characters to say. I used to feel like they should make all these shows movies so then all the boring empty space is cut out and it can be 90 minutes of pure engagement. After watching this video I have no such illusions lol. The writers are lazy and uninspired. This show would have gotten 0 views if it was a made by an indie UA-cam film studio. In that market having an interesting plot and vision matters because there's no big corporation to force feed you anything.
If you define the audience as the clapping seals that go along with whatever disney says, then i guess thats true. Most however i think saw through this show and realized the massive writing issues. This show would have been alot better if it had listened to the actual audience instead of the seals who will clap for anything. Or had just listened to the audience of andor.
Whats crazy is Disney knows without a shadow of a doubt based on viewing metrics exactly when audience retention dips and yet they still keep making the same soulless, derivative, cookie cutter, drawn out crap. It's almost like they do it on purpose.
It was agonizing trying to watch this show. I agree with all of your points. The original Rebels animated characters were full of more life than the real-life actors in this show. You're always going to get the shills who say Filoni does no wrong and that the sequel trilogy was secretly brilliant. It doesn't change the fact that any way you try to say Ahsoka was a great and deep tv show is nothing more than polishing a rather big turd.
The fact that Ahsoka never struggled with the dark side of her emotions is such bullshit. She was a child soldier not just trained by, but partially raised by Anakin who we are led to believe is emotionally unstable and at times abusive towards people he loves. Especially after leaving the Jedi order and briefly becoming allies with Ventress, it's honestly absurd she isn't tempted by the dark side. She has seen for herself that the Jedi can be wrong, what else were they wrong about? Is the dark side really that bad? A lot of people have suggested that Ahsoka should've died at the end of the clone wars to resolve the character. I think that makes some sense, but if she lives I think she should've fallen to the dark side, or at least an unnerving grey area. Plus dark side ahsoka was teased on the Mortis Arc and that was sick.
You asked the question a moment a go andmy answer surprised me. I'm no longer a fan of star wars. I missed the first three episodes of Ahsoka because I forgot it was on. It no longer holds my imagination. I'll look for something else and save my time and money.
You are really nice to this show because it is really bad. They took a great franchise, great actors and actresses and aspiring actors and actresses and made something bland, awful and ultimately not Star Wars
One of the stifling attributes of this show, is they Disney limits a female characters emotional range. They aren't allowed to show weakness, show vulnerability, be dependent, show fear, cry, be helped by or learn from a male character, make mistakes, struggle, do stupid things, trip and fall, be clumsy, or anything else that makes them look "weak".
Man just say you can’t comprehend Star Wars, not that hard ‘buddy’
Nice attitude, fanboy.
The dude gives a fair and honest review of your stupid space wizard show and you act like this
Nobody hates Star Wars more than you ass flies....
LOL
what on earth
🤡
Okay. This show was mid to garbage. It was written and produced like an episode of animated television for 5 yr olds. If you love Rebels, fine. But you should expect better when this show effectively just nuked StarWars once again.
"The NPCs keep freezing in the middle of a conversation"😆
You'd think they would have patched that out by now....
They're buffering.
@@whiterabbit75 shit, they scratched the disc
@@jeremyallen5974 I hate when that happens.
I swear if you took out all the dead air that takes place in this show its runtime would easily be halved.
I'm amazed how Disney managed to take something as exciting and imaginative as Star Wars, and make it this flat and boring.
Girl bossing is boring.
I'm not surprised, since it happened with every other Disney Star Wars show and movie.
@Mark_Knight Girl bossing isn't the problem. It's a writing problem. Sigourney Weaver in Alien was fine. Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2 was fine. Camina Drummer or Chrisjen Avasarala on The Expanse are fine. Mulan (animated) was fine. Matter of fact Mulan is an excellent example of good and bad writing. The live action Mulan has horrible! In the live action, she no character flaws. She starts out super strong and skilled. There is basically no character arc... and it becomes boring. A strong female character isn't the problem... it's characters with no flaws/growth/change/that are the problem.
@@jasonplayer9047 Girl bossing is a problem. Sigorny and Linda were not girl bosses.
Girl bosses need no man, act like a man, and talk down to men...hence girl bosses are a problem.
Ok, try this. Have Ahsoka and Sabine be played by men, same lines/story/pacing. The show would still have the same issues.
Also, Ripley isn't a Girl bossing?! Wow, I think we have *very* different ideas about girl bossing. @@Mark_Knight
I clapped when Ahsoka said
“This is the Clone Wars!”
Only for Anakin to tell her
“Ya no shit.”
@@Aqua23-ammg wait people think the dialogue is good?… I’d rather hear him rant about the senate and sand than saying “Time to die…”
I CLAPPED BECAUSE I RECOGNIZED THE THING
i ChOose To lIvE
@@CloudJLaw Truly some "I am good!"-tier masterful dialogue.
It's been a long time since I watched Clone Wars and Rebels, but I seem to recall those versions of Ahsoka, Hera and Sabine being a lot more lively and likable.
100x times more, Hera used to be a respectable caring leader who didnt need to pull rank to win every single argument. Sabine used to be a skilled mandalorian who thought beside jedi as an equal despite not having the force who also learnt that bottling things up and not seeking help whilst grieving just causes wounds to never heal. Ahsoka used to be a complex character trying to figure out what her roles is in the galaxy, unsure if she wants to be a jedi yet she took on a padawan and trained Sabine to be a jedi.
The main reason rebels ended with Kannan dying and Ezra going missing was so that Yoda's statement of Luke being the last jedi was true, Ahsoka didnt consider herself a jedi at the time, or so we though. This was the writers of rebels filling in a plot hole, one Filoni has now ripped open by having Ahsoka take on a padawan during the events of OT, confirming she sees herself as a jedi and is willing to train someone, why on earth didn't she train luke then, he could have defiantly benefited with having someone teach him lightsaber forms at least as Yoda focused on his force training.
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 This is what inevitably happens when an IP gets over saturated. Things start to unravel when writers can’t keep a cohesive narrative.
@Horgler kinda like how the MCU kept putting the Thanos storyline on hold to tell yet ANOTHER origin story
@@basely. They're fine actors, don't blow dogwhistles.
No they weren’t
This comment is told from the perspective of someone who never even heard of Rebels. After I watched the first few episodes, I was so confused about who most of these characters were. I would go on social media to see what other people think, and fans would be explaining all this stuff that wasn’t actually happening in the show. Confused, and as someone who has never heard of Rebels, I thought I was missing details in these episodes. I felt like I was just not as smart as the fans who “caught” these details or that I wasn’t paying enough attention. Deep down, I knew I WAS paying attention during my first watch, but then would go back and rewatch these bland episodes anyway to see what I missed and to find out how fans are catching things in the show that I’m not. Then I ran into a video on UA-cam where I learned of Rebels and then understood what fans defending the show were doing. I was so pissed! I SUBJECTED MYSELF TO WATCHING THIS SHOW TWICE because I thought I was missing something when really it was just fans watching Rebels and then writing the story of Ahsoka themselves! GREAT.
I loved Andor even though I’ve never seen Rogue One. They need to just hire the Andor creatives to write all their sh*t because everything else is terrible and they seem to be the only competent ones.
I could not agree more. There are ridiculous things (fighting ships in space with a light saber) and Rebels fans respond with "silly you, that happened in the animated show!". As if that prevents it from being abysmally stupid in any context!!
Andor was awesome, Tony Gilroy indeed needs to be given more projects to do.
Bro its just a show. If you don't like it, change to something else. Who forces themselves to try to like something lol.
@@ammagnoliaIt’s about balance.
I agree we shouldn’t force ourselves to like things. But also I think it’s good to be willing to sit with things. To be willing to give things a second watch. And that’s all this person did.
Not even, they're making basic elementary and high school writing errors. Basic cause and effect/continuity. These are things you'd fail a writing course on in college. There's a reason why critiques of the sequels are so much more popular than say... Star Wars Music Videos, or fan videos. Far more people, especially those who create content, are more annoyed and pissed than anything.
The amount of “masterpiece’s” “Dave filoni is saving StarWars” and “peak” I’ve heard over the past month is insane to me. People are so blind.
Filoni and Favreau are extremely overrated. Pretty much everything they’ve done in live-action is uninspired, lifeless crap.
His animated clone wars was genuinely amazing so i don’t understand how these shows come out this way. I’ve stopped watching forever ago but hey until Star Wars straight up flops they won’t put effort in. It’s like game freak Pokémon. Dummies will give money REGARDLESS why try?
@@vinsanity3510 cause George Lucas oversaw a lot of the clone wars. Ahsoka was Dave’s break away to prove himself. It failed
@@varonvan6336 oh are you serious? Dude it’s game of thrones all of again where people aren’t respecting the IP outside of themselves.
They’re trying so hard to distinguish themselves all they end up showing is they’re too egotistical
@@vinsanity3510NEITHER of them wrote the scripts. They were the supervisors, all they did was make sure everything was in order and proof the final ideas. Their role in what made the animated series good is massively overstated.
I can imagine Filoni directing these with a stopwatch in his hand - ‘OMG five minutes short. Talk slower. Extra pauses. More arm folding. Come on people..!’
How hard would it have been for Hera to tell the Senate: "Thrawn's a military genius. If he returns, he can rally the scattered remnants of the Empire and use them in ways you are not ready for."
yeah the scenes where they were discussing Thrawn with the senate was extremely frustrating. Hera was intentionally vague which allowed her statements to be thrown into question, whereas if she had clearly explained how real the threat Thrawn was, it wouldn’t have gone as badly i feel.
At least she would have tried, not given up in the first place.
I just cant comprehend how Filoni forgot the characters arcs of his own characters. As a writer i have put countless hours into making and forming my characters and their arcs. I cant forget them because their arcs are so ingrained in my mind, i know them like the back of my hand. Filoni has no excuse and no logical reason to throw out his own characters' arcs and personalities
The answer is that Filoni was only about 7% of the creativity behind Rebels. There were many more hands, more talented hands, behind the production of that great show. Writers, directors, people keeping track of character arcs and story arcs. In the show Ahsoka, when the whole thing was all put into Filoni's hands 100%, this is the crap-storm you get.
He probably shoves his first drafts out the door to get back to shooting loads in his Ahsoka sex dolls as quickly as possible
He a fraud
everything Filoni writes only exists to prop up his waifu
He doesn't like to be "put in a box" or "limited in his creativity."
Do you guys remember good old days when peak star wars was considered KOTOR 2?
too many SW fans these days don't even know that that is lol
@@reubzdubz i saw someone play kotor 1 and 2 recently and said it was shity... kotor 2 was too complex for them and they didnt understand kreia and none of the games had any references to the originals or prequels.... i shit you not they said that... THAT is the kind of lowest common denominator of abject moron that disney is trying to gear these for... because they are happy so long as it looks like star wars and has a lot of references they understand because then they feel smart for getting it and it manipulated the moron into thinking its deeper than it really is.
KOTOR has not references to the OT or PT? bro needs to play the game a little more...@@ninvusoogoar6098
KOTOR 2 IS peak Star Wars, more than ever before.
@@ninvusoogoar6098well said. I think you cracked the actual code. The fact that they THINK they’re smart because they understand a “reference”
I'm so happy this got recommended to me. Had me rolling not even a minute in lol. Your editing is on-point. Merci Monsieur.
For people who HAVE watched Rebels, watching Ahsoka is like having your best memories ripped out of your mind and your heart, and having them stepped on, shit on, chopped into pieces, and put back into you.
You're so right about how empty the plot is. They're just dangling Star Wars "stuff" like a rorschach test in front of the audience without ever having the balls to actually pin down anything definitive or meaningful.
That's because writing anything past 'vague, uninteresting trash' will put their precious sequel trilogy in jeopardy
@@jeremyallen5974They're already ignoring their own lore, so its not like it would matter anyways. Why decide anything when vague mystery boxes never need to be opened?
2:47 they’re selecting their dialogue options from the dialogue wheel
My favorite part of star wars is reading what people come up with and waiting for them to realize it's not important at all
When my fiance is watching Gilmore girls I always notice how there are just no breaks in the dialog and it sounds like the characters just never breath in or stop talking, weird to a show do the exact opposite and be even worse because of it.
You're so right in your opening about all of Disney SW and other modern movie making. They conceive of "cool" scenes like space horses charging across the top of a ship or forty million star destroyers, then attempt to write around them with little regard for anything else.
This is because of the success of the MCU. Kevin Feige openly admitted in interviews that this type of strategy was used in the production of those movies. Disney probably thought if it worked for the MCU then it probably will work for Star Wars.
It's the concept of the empty dish.
If I hand you a plate with nothing on it. You can't say I'm a bad cook as I didn't cook anything.
Lately fans of original cartoons are disappointed by the live action remakes. At least it seems most Rebels fans like ''Ashoka''.
I'm not one of them, but I appreciate that as an achievement of Rebels season 5.
“Who are you and why are you letting your hair define you” is a question that I suspect would shatter the egos of everyone involved in “writing” these Disney shows 😂
For 30 years SW was able to attract interest from each new generation of fan while still maintaining the previous . Now that chain is breaking on both ends. The old fans leaving and new fans not buying in.
Wrong. Gen-Z suck and ruin everything. They are catering star wars to gen-z by ruining it
I'm so glad other people see this show the way I do. For a moment I thought it was just me
When I was watching this I was so confused about some of the choices the characters made. Like especially when Thrawn didnt like immediately leave the planet.
Giving Sabine the force kinda defeats the point of her character.
And Ezra is dumbed down like mad, he would've taken that light saber as soon as Sabine offered it to him, because he knows how important it is that they survive, but since shes a marry sue in this he refuses.
I think the best way to describe my experience watching the show is...
Ahsoka is more or less only held aloft by fanservice. Oh look it's Hayden, yay! Oh look it's a story about Star Wars Rebels! Oh look it's Thrawn! Yay it's Sips! But if you remove all fanservice, all cameos and all pre-established characters, can you really say this is a good story? Would you rewatch it? Does it convey the same emotional stakes? It doesn't for me, in fact most of the characters I'd have zero connection with if I didn't know them from other shows. Watch Andor, a show that has virtually NO pre-established characters and it still delivered phenomenal storytelling and memorable characters.
I've got to see a making of Asohka!
'So yeah the scenes were just blazing through so quickly that that we couldn't fulfil the proper runtime to watchtime viewing metrics that would satisfy nielson but then Mr. Filoni had this great idea 'What if everyone talked and moved really slow?' It was like a light bulb went off.
'We've really got a hit on here''
The Ahsoka Hera dialogue scene in the beginning sounds like an old video game dub from before they had decent lipsync technology and had to making constant pauses to match the original lip sync
Regarding your history class analogy, I feel more connected to the story the wacky Kings and Queens of Tudor England than anybody from Ashoka. Even when written dryly in a textbook. Because they have defining characteristics, even when written in a matter-of-fact way.
Henry VIII was a greedy yet talented man who womanised and ate until he died. Elizabeth 1 was the picky virgin queen who used her strange feminine charm to entice her captains to expand England’s global power. Henry VII was a great, clever leader overall, he won many battles and made peace with the European powers, who couldn’t give his children the right temperament to rule. Etc.
What can I say about Ashoka’s characters in a similar way? They are either stoic (uphold authority) or cheekily defiant (go against it) or some odd combination of both. Nobody is greedy, or devious, or emotionally distraught, or fearful, or playful. There is no spice whatsoever.
I have seen very little of Filoni's work. And what I have seen makes me convinced he's a driving force to make the universe as uninteresting and dull as possible
clone wars is genuinely really good (and some people apparently like rebels) which is why a lot of people like Filoni even though his recent output has been shit.
@@randomname9723People make it seem like Filoni was the only writer for clone wars lol, he was one of many, including George Lucas who genuinelly is a genius when it comrs to creating interesting stories (lets not talk about his dialogue tho haha)
@@user-oo3oi9ki2jPeople talk like Filoni single handedly wrote and directed every single episode of TCW. I bet the guy was just a producer who barely wrote or directed anything
And this? This is why Andor is the best Star Wars show. No prior knowledge needed.
Holy shit the comparison to rings of power was SPOT on. Both shows suffer from the same problems but i think Ahsoka was worse. At least rings of power looked good, and had a few interesting developments/great scenes. All the choreography/character designs/set designs in Ahsoka were terrible
Rings of Power was awful. I can’t remember any scene being “great.”
@hornedgod2873 Sauron standing in front a horde of orcs was pretty neat... That's it
I agree with your criticism. It’s a mystery box nonsense all over again maxed with Filoni’s naïve fanboying. I don’t understand why did he think that Thrawn will fit in his magical-fairytale-ish Filoniverse. They talk about him in the Ahsoka show like he is some kind of a Sauron whose return would mean the end of the world. He is a talented strategist, a smart and cunning commander, but he is not a supernatural being, for crying out loud! It’s like to make a post WWII show where characters are terrified that Eirich von Manstein will return and destroy the world.
You've hit the nail on the head
Yes spot on. I forsee a bizarre future where films will change during viewing, based on the viewers data and their personal preferences in real time. Especially with the advent of AI tech. Keep people in their own personal bubble so they cant be annoyed.
"shitty mistery boxes" is a perfect description.
5:40 I loved this scene. I got so emotionally invested for that creature. :) Of course, that's not what the creator's intention was, but that's what they managed.
9:45 This is something I hated about the show. Every other time Thrawn has been introduced into Star Wars, he’s done something incredibly smart which shows the audience how smart he is right off the bat. The opening battle of Heir to the Empire. His infiltration of the star destroyer in Thrawn. His academy manoeuvre Thrawn Ascendancy. His battle with the Trade Federation in Outbound Flight. All have shown Thrawn’s genius to the reader. Even his introduction in rebels did this. He puts together several pieces of info, predicts the rebels’ next move, and lays out a trap for the rebels. When he sees they haven’t taken the bait, he breaks off, and slowly builds up his position until he can surround the whole rebel fleet and destroy them in one fell swoop. And at that point the rebels were only saved by plot armour and divine intervention.
I hate that robot's face, and I hate those styrofoam tentacles on those actresses heads.
"You're like a sister to me"... bro you wanted to gwt with her for the entirety or Rebels...
Filoni rippped off scenes from the OT, treasure planet, the clone wars, rebels, LOTR, and more.
Combined all of those plagiarised scenes with memberberries and said, ta daaa.
And tens of fans cheered.
That is how the star wars universe dies...with thunderous applause.
Star Wars lost the forest for the trees. All shows are now based on cameos based on shows made years ago based on books that were non-canonized except when Disney wants, which were based on movies made decades ago based on movies made decades ago. I think there is still some stories to be told in this universe, if they can get their heads out of their asses and making everyone related to each other somehow like we are watching Intergalactic Dallas
Bad Robot and its consequences have been a disaster for the film and tv industries.
Then there are people who say that this show is better written than ANDOR
LMAO
This title is exactly what I struggled to put into words
Love your analysis man, hope your channel grows. You definitely deserves more subs and views!
The writers basically made Rebels season 5.
I really enjoyed this video, your points and explanation are clear and concise while still being entertaining, hope you go far with your channel mate
I have heard that this show was very expensive, despite only having eight episodes. While it is really looking good it has cheap writing, cheap acting and is cheap directed. Years ago producers were able to produce like twenty episodes of an action series a year with the costs not going through the roof. Where did all the money go? Is it some kind of fraud?
I thought it was ok as a follow up to Rebels, but the pacing was so slow to stretch out the plot that it felt like nothing was happening much of the time or people were unbelievably dumb just to prevent the plot from progressing. It could have been half the number of episodes it had.
I can see why the general audience dropped off. The show assumes you know the lore from the animated shows, and without that context there’s not enough presented to get invested in the characters or story.
Also, the animated shows seem mediocre at best in terms of lore and storytelling. It’s why that audience isn’t enough to sustain Disney Star Wars
@@hornedgod2873 that is insanely untrue, at least for Clone Wars.
the hair makes sense in context of rebels but it's moments like this where you might as well do a flashback to kanan cutting his hair if you aren't even going to bother making it clear what's going on
The phrase “polished turd” comes to mind when I see the stories of these modern shows. They look amazing visually, but a better story could be told with shadow puppets.
Simple minded people can enjoy poorly told and well told stories, but complex minded people can only enjoy the latter. Why please both when the simple can’t tell the difference, and there are more of them than the complex. Story tellers SHOULD feel obligated to please the people who need quality for enjoyment since that leaves everyone happy, except the accountants. *this assumes the story tellers themselves are of any quality 😅
11:43
"Somehow, Thrawn returned.... to being the topic of conversation" 😂
Very astute analysis. This non-show was poorly written.
As someone who has seen very little Clone Wars and none of Rebels, I thought the series was ok. I never really got that invested in the characters but I enjoyed the fan service. Seeing Hayden back as THIS Anakin was a dream come true and Baylan Skoll was a great new villainous character. RIP Ray Stevenson. Great review
"Great new villainous character"
What is his motivation?
What is his goal?
What does he believe?
He's a well acted empty shell
this fan service is just the part that is wrong with it like im for fan service but not this kind its just a god damn member berry saying remember the good star wars or remember clone wars this is what is wrong with disney and they should just either sell it or just make something good because this is not working out anymore
You aren't a star wars fan, get out of town.
I feel he was just more shiny keys being shaken.
Right, Stevenson spun the handful of character straw he was given into gold, but you can blow holes in gold stretched this thin. (Turning the rack screws on this metaphor, I know.)
While watching Ahsoka, I fell asleep while standing up with my arms crossed.
"Makeshift: a usually crude and temporary expedient : SUBSTITUTE."
Thank you. i thought i was going insane for not being able to get through this show with everyone saying it was great.
General Solo, Is your team ready? Thats it. We got the idea. He was a General.
What was the point of giving Hera's son the same name as Leia's son in Legends? It just reminds us of how they made Leia's son worse in the sequels.
Star Wars just needs to be in capable hands rn its in the hands of execs and marketing its all made to sell but i think some day it might be in capable hands again..
Filony does what he does best - writing fanfics
Very good video. Articulated my feelings on the matter perfectly. This show was their last opportunity to pivot away from the madness that was the sequel trilogy as well as the dismal direction of star wars shows in general. Instead it was reinforcement for both categories. Filoni and whoever else was in charge of BookOfBoba/MandalorianS3 are absolutely clueless storytellers. What a shame. I will always love the 6 movie saga, but I am washing my hands of this rotten Disney franchise.
Good video. You articulated your point well.
17:03 - nonsense. The line level dialogue may have been awkward but the characters and their motivations were clear and the action always moved toward those objectives.
So you say but your knee jerk comment loses ALL credibility when one looks at how Sabeen's 'story' played out
She fucked over the galaxy to see Ezra again but when she DOES see him again she barely even talks to the dude or even acknowledges his presence
13:02 kay I haven't seen this animated show.. what's the context for how it makes any sense that a hologram is glitching to reveal someone's dual personality, like, visually? At least in Ahsoka, Anakin's "glitching" is like a spectral.. Force.. time-travel.. ghost? thing?
I believe the 'nice old man in white' is supposed to be an artificial modification to the hologram. An illusion of some sort. Now why image masking is so buggy is dumb but im pretty sure thats the context.
god damn live action anime is just damn cosplay. i can never unsee
TL;DR: This would have worked much better as a movie instead of a miniseries, and the characters don't feel as vibrant as the characters in the movies.
If this was a movie instead of a miniseries, it would work much better pacing-wise. There are lots of scenes that are just filled with dead air, and everything is just so slow.
The universe in almost all these miniseries feels so empty as well. In the movies, there were tons of characters, and the felt alive. The universe felt giant and so interesting. Even in the sequel trilogy, it felt alive and it felt right. Also, the characters actually had personality, even the calm, more experienced Jedi characters such as Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi (PT and OT eras), etc. None of them acted way too "chill" (for lack of a better word), like Ahsoka in this show.
The characters are frequently stationary, save for a few "contained" fight sequences. Contained, meaning the fight always occurs within the bounds of a defined area, the action doesn't transition into somewhere else, therefore boring. Look at Obi-wans fight on Utapau. Yes, it's the same planet but look at how many transitions occurred in every scene featuring Utapau.
Also, there is no dynamic backdrop. Nothing is happening except a group of actors standing together on a set. This is Star Wars. Where are the civilians racing around in speeders and ships? Where are Luke's trainees? Where are some New Republic trials?
Well said!
I want you to write about Alex Rider. It's a show where something happens.
A screenwriter was paid for this….paid millions.
pure joy of happiness when people get mad over star wars, like every new show living rentfree in their heads.
More people need to start calling out like you do how there is so much "dramatic silence" in these shows. The writers leaving so much not said is not because they want the audience to put the pieces together or some other artistic reason. It's because the writers can't think of anything interesting for the characters to say. I used to feel like they should make all these shows movies so then all the boring empty space is cut out and it can be 90 minutes of pure engagement. After watching this video I have no such illusions lol. The writers are lazy and uninspired. This show would have gotten 0 views if it was a made by an indie UA-cam film studio. In that market having an interesting plot and vision matters because there's no big corporation to force feed you anything.
I'm so angry with what they did to Sabine, it was my favorite character from Rebels and she lost her entire personality.
I jizzed my pants when I saw Anakin.... Oh boy!
The sweaty table lol, perfect analogy
If you define the audience as the clapping seals that go along with whatever disney says, then i guess thats true. Most however i think saw through this show and realized the massive writing issues. This show would have been alot better if it had listened to the actual audience instead of the seals who will clap for anything. Or had just listened to the audience of andor.
You should watch Andor, but you probably think it's not "Star Wars" for you
Oh yay, a boring show about a nothing character that we already saw die 7 years ago
Cause it isn't even the director said that he often forgot he's producing a star wars show
I love this so much. It is soooo bad. Thrawn would have immediately killed Sabine, because then Ezra would not be found and Ahsoka has nowhere to go.
0:55 still a fan cuz my allegiance to the Imperial Aesthetic
The hell..
Was that the map from treasure planet?
Here is pictures, come up with story about them!
Sounds like exercise for pre-school kids
Whats crazy is Disney knows without a shadow of a doubt based on viewing metrics exactly when audience retention dips and yet they still keep making the same soulless, derivative, cookie cutter, drawn out crap. It's almost like they do it on purpose.
Saying I'm still a star wars fan is a bold statement, at this point I check up see it's still bad then leave.
"ask yourself why you're still a star wars fan today"....
you're still a star wars fan? poor bastard, bless your soul.
That french accent tho 😂😂
great video!
Gives me no joy that you’re right on the money. Good vid
It was agonizing trying to watch this show. I agree with all of your points. The original Rebels animated characters were full of more life than the real-life actors in this show. You're always going to get the shills who say Filoni does no wrong and that the sequel trilogy was secretly brilliant. It doesn't change the fact that any way you try to say Ahsoka was a great and deep tv show is nothing more than polishing a rather big turd.
The fact that Ahsoka never struggled with the dark side of her emotions is such bullshit. She was a child soldier not just trained by, but partially raised by Anakin who we are led to believe is emotionally unstable and at times abusive towards people he loves.
Especially after leaving the Jedi order and briefly becoming allies with Ventress, it's honestly absurd she isn't tempted by the dark side. She has seen for herself that the Jedi can be wrong, what else were they wrong about? Is the dark side really that bad?
A lot of people have suggested that Ahsoka should've died at the end of the clone wars to resolve the character. I think that makes some sense, but if she lives I think she should've fallen to the dark side, or at least an unnerving grey area.
Plus dark side ahsoka was teased on the Mortis Arc and that was sick.
I dont care for Baylan....hes boring
im confused why they gave sabine a lightsaber
You asked the question a moment a go andmy answer surprised me.
I'm no longer a fan of star wars. I missed the first three episodes of Ahsoka because I forgot it was on.
It no longer holds my imagination.
I'll look for something else and save my time and money.
"Where is Jake?", lol
Why aren't ahsokas hair tendrils longer? They're as short as clone wars, makes no sense and is lazy, they look awful too, you can see the creases
You are really nice to this show because it is really bad. They took a great franchise, great actors and actresses and aspiring actors and actresses and made something bland, awful and ultimately not Star Wars
Excellent video!
Watching your video is funny cuz its actually more emotional than the series 😂
How long will they drag it out? Untill at least the end of Season 2.
One of the stifling attributes of this show, is they Disney limits a female characters emotional range. They aren't allowed to show weakness, show vulnerability, be dependent, show fear, cry, be helped by or learn from a male character, make mistakes, struggle, do stupid things, trip and fall, be clumsy, or anything else that makes them look "weak".
Is this guy French? Such horrendous accent but he's has a point on Ashoka 😂😂