The Vim Experience
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
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Can't believe I am in top 20 😮
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I can't wait for the AI bubble to burst. I'm so tired of it.
vsVim buddy
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the new profile picture threw me off
Inside joke moment
@@bogxd 😭😭🙏
thanks, you're legend
@@bogxdwait until you try emacs,you'll understand why vi vi vi it's the editor of the beast .
bro is actually speedrunning the entire linux iceberg
edit: I said that before realizing that he made this video on macOS :(
frfr
PANDA, ITS BEEN SO LONG :o
@@vipherobrine7129 LMAO HOW DID YOU FIND ME HERE
Is sad
@@vipherobrine7129 LOL HOW DID YOU FIND ME HERE
he exited vim...
he is the chosen one
he's definetly one of the ones
I just turn off my computer
@@NotSoSylent I just buy a new one!
@@SophiaWoessner I just start a new universe
:qa!
I love how you're interested in stuff that people usually run away from. You recently did "Linux Mint Review", "Arch linux review", and now you're doing "Vim review". And the funny thing is that you're getting HUGE amount of views on these videos. Good job man. Love your voice.
Sad that he doesnt use linux or even windows he uses mac os😢
@@Helldiver211he is most familiar with macos so he would eventually go back to it after tinkering around with linux. Still cool to see a person learning stuff quickly like him though
@adnope i know but still
Go to windows or linux
@@Helldiver211 MacOS is a POSIX pal; according to the propaganda, MacOS is a closer friend to Linux than Windows.
@@Helldiver211 Macos might be the right balance between the two of them for many of us.
Windows isn't POSIX compliant which is a huge bummer for linux users, developers, or anyone wanting to use a command line or some advanced file management, really.
Linux doesn't run proprietary programs like the Affinity suite, most video editors or DAWs.
MacOS is both POSIX compliant AND runs proprietary software. The perfect balance for some people's niche.
Next video: The Neovim Experience
yes please
Pls pls pls pls
29:58
i love neovim
Same experience
As someone with 15 year VIM experience it was amazingly entertaining to watch. It took me 3 times to get into VIM. it clicked only after forbidding myself to use other editors and spending a week with doing actual work stuff. And all this with my highly systematic approach with actually reading carefully manuals before trying anything. Impressive results!
Been using Vim for a year and pretty much had the same experience
Your videos are so much "he can't just jump and do it, oh my god he's doing it" energy, I love them
I can't believe he found primagen game and vim adventures, but not the built-in vimtutor..
every time i see one of bog's videos i see people in the comments talking about how he missed the obvious easy path and found the most roundabout way lol
@@plankcaller I'm starting to think it is all on purpose. Playing a little bit dumb to make it more entertaining.
@@anj000 Well, i'ts easier for some people to learn from a well edited video then trying it out. And the primagen is a really good explainer.
@@danielalegriasallo5551 in the Arch video instead of relying on official docs he started going to some random forums, while answer was pretty easy to find.
So it is not necessarily about video
Let's get Prime to react to this guy. We already got Brodie with the Hyprland vid...
(and yes some things are a bit of a troll. In the hyprland video we were all wondering why he was editing configs with vim instead of nano. If you pause in a certain place you can see nano in the terminal history)
Damn, I am literally getting addicted to this channel.
I dont even know how to do half the stuff he does but still i enjoy all his videos
I know most of the stuff in these Linux basics videos as I'm a Linux user but I still enjoy these videos so much for some reason. I guess it's exciting to see someone explore something that you're passionate about, reminds me of when I was going through these experiences for the first time
This channel is getting better and better lmao! Bro said "lets speedrun being an elite hackery man" and he's actually doing it!
36:51 you can just type ci{ in normal mode to delete inside the curly brackets and put you in insert mode, same for other brackets and quotes. eg: ci' will Change Inside Quotes('), ci( will Change Inside Paranethesis, etc.
cit changes inside HTML tags. I wonder if there's a version for Python blocks? I bet there is, I just don't know what it is.
@@mage3690 python? Has brackets?
This, it was so painful to see how he did that exercise with visual mode lol
big part of the issue here starts earlier, where he didn't read the page that comes up if you just run vim :D, I'm pretty certain it says "type :help vim if you are new!" (I use neovim so the default is a little different there).
There's a few handy text objects for common blocks, assuming you use (neo)vim and not vi:
`dib` - remove within parentheses ( HERE )
`diB` - remove within squiggly brackets... { HERE }
`dit` - remove content within tags... HERE
As far as I'm concerned, for square brackets there is no built-in (letter) text object, so you'd either have to add your own text object (in your .vimrc) or stick to `di[`.
Also, you can remove the contents and the blocksthemselves by substituting `i` with `a`, which I mostly find useful for XML with `dat` to remove an entire element along with its content. Along with that there's choosing `d` or `c` depending on whether or not you intend to change the content you've just deleted. Where `d` represents "delete" and keeps you in NORMAL mode `c` represents "change" and puts you into INSERT mode.
Tangent: there are some other interesting text objects that come with vim: `s` and `p`, which represent sentences and paragraphs respectively. These aren't necessarily super useful for code but perhaps you could use it to remove a sentence in documentation (`das` respects punctuation, `dap` does not). It seems most intuitive to use `a` over `i` for deletions (`das`), and vice-versa for changes (`cis`).
from linux mint to arch to hyprland on arch to vim, the speedrun is insane
The next one is compiling Gentoo
i went from linux mint to arch linux dual booted with linux from scratch in like 3 weeks lmao
@@phoenix-tt LFS after gentoo!
actually nevermind that might be too painful to watch
he seems to have a knack of following everything except the tutorial lol
We are just waiting for the Primeagen React to "The Vim Experience" now lmao
There is a subreddit for suggesting videos for Prime to react to.
with his usual productivity, he'll probably turn this one into a 1.5-2 hour stream
@@plaintext7288 Worth watching every second
@@plaintext7288thats very generous, i'd say at least a good 3-4 hours
@@plaintext7288 Probably closer to 4
The nice thing about Vim is that once you use it enough, you can no longer use any other code editor without randomly turning on the caps lock and spamming a bunch of random letters in the file.
You will also start typing j or k and other commands in regular text input fields, like Discord or Slack.
10 videos later : Writing my own version of the linux kernel
There comes a time in every Linux user's life when writing a custom kernel is necessary
@@fireninja8250 For flex imo
then you abandon Linux, move to a shack in the woods, and write your OS from scratch using Forth and some obscure hardware with a custom instruction set.
why even linux, just do a templeOS and make everything your own
@@adamantris2 avg social anxiety shenanigans
In case you missed it, ci{ clears contents of {}
And ~ toggles case. u in visual mode sets lower case. And U in visual mode sets upper case.
Also one headache saver, you copied init.Lua stuff into init.Vim
You can only have one or the other. Neovim uses either vim script or lua. And the best package manager for neovim is "lazy".
Also, pls look into using kick-start nvim.
It's like a neovim config that comes reconfigured with good defaults, and has built in tutorials on how to handle configuring vim. It's literally a nightmare to figure out neovim configuration. Atleast it was for me cause I've never used lua.
I'd also recommend lazy.nvim if you want a "kitchen-sink" experience with neovim
Kickstart saved my ass and now I use neovim at work
@slayvict I've actually never gotten around to setup kick-start. I've been using astro nvim for the whole time. Today I've started working on my own config from kick-start finally.
@RenderingUser good luck, I did very minimal basics that I need and nothing more. And it took me more than a year after I learned about kickstart to finally get the courage to do it, before it I tried lazyvim(distro), but found configuring plugins very frustrating, especially removing standard one I didn't want
Thank you for saving me the time having to write that!
(btw `c` stand for "change", so it's "change inside {")
bro is becoming a super god amazing fullstack web, backend, frontend, aws, agile developer
Next video: How to become a 10x developer in only 2 weeks.
vim motions are like driving a car. at the beginning you need some muscle memory and after that, some of the motions will become second nature. so in the end, whenever an intention comes up in your mind, your fingers will already be executing the motion without you actively thinking about it. that is the power behind the motions, everything else is "manual customization" land
but with vim you eventually realize that your car was actually a plane all along and you have only been using 2% of its power up until that point and the learning starts once more
@ yeah, i agree. the iceberg thing is so true. for instance, at the very beginning i only needed about 10 basic move commands, everything else was made through command line. next thing you know is you really don’t want to leave the magical vim environment, and so it begins, the long journey into the lsp abyss…
@@kiryls1207 I got lucky: there's no lsp worth a damn for HDLs for cheap.
Cool things I've done:
I've made do with extreme amounts of vimscripting that, for example, runs svn (not git!) blame and outputs info for the current line and surrounding lines.
Ctags and plugins are your friend.
At a minimum, get makeprg working.
ChatGPT is THE way to write vimscript. I've autopopulated the quickfix from a janky Ctrl-C infested with non-ascii characters that I could have never written the regex to filter out.
Nice gaslighting nerd lmao
Bog keeps showing me cool ass computer programs and stuff that I never knew existed
Bro didn't know about Vim 💀
@brijeshsrivastava6682 people like you are why no ones wants to use linux 😭
even experienced people might've just picked nano and not considered the other options
@@brijeshsrivastava6682 Not everyone knows about Vim, that isn't all that shocking.
Ooh, you want cool computer programs? btop is the Linux version of Task Manager and it looks cool AF (well, top was the original, then htop made it better, but IMHO btop is peak). Also, if you're using the command line, tldr is goated. `tldr ` will tell you how to use that command in 20 lines or less, which is insanely useful for commands which might have a 20 thousand line man page like find, grep, gcc, or ffmpeg (the man pages are still useful for a lot of things, though).
Bro didn't know about Vim 💀
fun fact : VI (Vim without M, basically the base of Vim) uses hjkl because its creator's keyboard didn't have physical cursor keys.
This goes even deeper, the low 6 bits of the ASCII codes for HJKL are the TTY control characters for Backspace, LF, Vertical Tab and FF respectively, at least the first 2 makes a lot of sense. Holding Ctrl and pressing the key emits exatly those, so in a readline-based prompt, like most shells, you can instead of the Enter key ("down"), to backspace ("left"), these 2 out of 4 happen to sit just in comfortable home row positions. Have no clue who originally came up with the concept, but the ADM-3A terminal already had the arrows printed on these keys, the original Vi was coded on one of those.
@@matwyder4187 nice fact
A few notes - for the VimBeGood ci{ game, you're supposed to replace the contents within the brackets using the ci{ command. This deletes everything within the pair of curly braces and enters Insert mode. It's pretty useful and can be used with pretty much any pair of symbols like (), [], {}, "", '', ``, , and even HTML-like tags by typing "cit". Also the reason why you were getting errors at 38:17 was because you were pasting Lua code into the Vimscript init file. Neovim supports two different languages for the configuration - the original Vimscript language (.vim files) and Lua (.lua files). You had an init.vim file so that's why it worked when you replaced the vim.o... line with the equivalent Vimscript line.
To add to this, the whackamole game you should use the "tilde" key '~' to change the case of a character :)
Vim is the text editor that online guides use to make new Linux users immediately hate Linux. If you're just editing config files like most Linux users, nano is everything you ever need. It took me a while to learn that, and it made me hate everyone who insists on telling non-coder users to use Vim.
Heh, as an experienced Vim user I sometimes enjoy trying to figure out how to achieve something Vim-like in nano. Ctrl-T, custom key bindings, formatter and linter support, etc.
Micro >>>> nano
I've been a Vim user for a very long time. For me, it's actually the opposite-I find Nano much more complicated. Here’s something I do every day in Vim:
- Select two lines, yank (copy) them, then delete them (:2y d).
- Jump word by word through a search pattern using / then w or *.
...
Vim is quite advanced, and once you master it, the mouse becomes almost unnecessary when coding. I even use the same keybindings in PyCharm to replicate Vim functionality.
Once you train yourself to use Vim keybindings, it’s hard to go back. I instinctively type :wq! to save every file, even when it’s not needed like a note application that is not vim at all.
Even for coders it's a niche of people whose personalities are their text editor.
Like no hate to the people who just enjoy it, but too many people are religious about spending thousands of hours to theoretically be 1% faster.
@@BeefIngot not exactly theoretical. Using another editor or an editor without modal editing feels like I'm crippling myself.
Your channel is beautiful because it actually promotes doing research, actually trying to learn and understand how things work, even if starting from scratch. I really love this because you put so much effort into learning the tools instead of saying that they are bad (like, sadly, some people do) because they are not intuitive when starting.
Thank you so much for this kind of videos :)
From the screen to the vim to the (Linux -to )the ping 🔥🔥
You are my favorite content creator. I've learned so much just by watching your videos.
As a vim user for many years, I'd recommend that as a tutorial, especially if you're not that familiar with the terminal and the shell
This might just be the best Vim tutorial video available. The fast pace actually makes it better, because it's about the experience/mindset, not about every single tidbit of info.
It's actually insane to call this the best tutorial, or a tutorial of any kind. I like this guy and have been subscribed for months. It's very entertaing though and could get people interested.
No hate. Just genuinely and truly, baffled and astounded.
funny how it reminds me that I stumbled over plug and coc, too 😂 mate should switch to lazy and mason real fast
26:20 Vim shortcuts in Obsidian was just a flex now c'mon that's cool
For anyone that is really interested in trying out vim and giving it a chance or atleast it’s keybindings a really easy way of remembering vim commands is that they follow generally:
[command][movement]
so now you find out d is for delete, now what do you want to do? delete a word?
i - inside
w - word
so the command becomes diw:
delete inside word
f[char] moves to the next instance of a character “char” now try to find the command that deletes everything up untill a character and have fun learnin vim 😊
This guy is smart. You can tell that through the way he approached and went through the challenges he encountered.
Having basic problem solving skills doesn't make you smart. Not having them makes you dumb.
@@theairaccumulator7144 I'd argue it does put you ahead of a LOT of people. Most people would just get stuck and call it a day.
@@theairaccumulator7144 cringe
"learning (insert name program here/OS)" has to be my favorite type of anime
Something like
“The C experience”
“The Go experience”
Will be interesting to see
Welcome aboard!
Quick tip: In the brackets game, try the following in normal mode. Say you have a bunch of text around {.........} Go inside the braces and, in normal mode, type ci{
This will "change inside {" i.e delete everything inside the braces and put you in normal mode to start typing!
Fun fact about the "touch" command. It doesn't actually create the file, or rather, that's not what it was intended for. What it does is "touch" the file's 'last edited' timestamp, so you can force something like make to recompile something without having to actually make an edit.
Bro went from taking 2 minutes to do something that takes me 5 seconds, to becoming a VIM master and MOGging me and the false confidence I once had with this legendary text editor. My life is in shambles, my girlfriend fired me, and my boss took my dog.
This video is perfect representation of how I tried to learn assembly.
20:13 : End of line navigation in vim is the $ because $ means end of line in regular expressions. You can also use ^ for beginning of line.
37:13 : If you do ci and the open brace or parenthesis it will replace everything (i)nside those braces. So with your cursor over the foo in ( foo ) you type "ci(bar" you will have (bar)
39:14 : Instead of going into visual mode for everything, you could cut all three of those lines by putting your cursor on the first line and typing 3dd (delete 3 lines)
40:41 : In visual mode if you press u it sets the selected text to lower case and Shift+U changes it to uppercase.
Good on you dude, a lot of people get freaked by the learning curve of nvim. I am a CS student still and I live in the terminal, I move to it on January this year, and have not looked back since. Wait until you discover macros to edit multiple lines in 15 seconds, it is heaven.
You can do this in non terminal only eidiotrs too tho
bro said yoink an unhealthy number of times !! love your content dude you are an absolute talent a gem of youtube
Next do 'The Neovim Experience' or 'The i3wm Experience'
The ricing experience
The suckless experience
He's an apple user tho
@@AR-yd2nd OH YES!
@@theairaccumulator7144 But he has also installed arch and Linux mint
@@theairaccumulator7144 he has a arch partition
Loved the video man!!
Honestly if you want to use vim more, just start with the vim plugin in vscode and only switch to neovim after you get comfortable with using vim motions (thats what the vim keybindings are called)
Also protip: if you want to delete (d) or change (c) inside brackets you can just do something like "di[" which will delete everything inside the square brackets or "di{"/"di(" for the respective brackets and if you want to be in insert mode after deleting just change the d to c.
You're gonna make me go insane with your desire to rawdog everything lol.
Tbh you can only truly understand vim when you've resorted to writing custom commands to automate everything. The only thing ChatGPT is good for is to help write vimscript and it is crazy to just make a wish and have a 90% working feature.
I actually don't know i enjoy watch u but yet always come up whenever a video arrives
oh and : is very useful it jumps you to the line you specify. also, the regex thing is the best
especially in good languages that tell you the line an error occured. Can go to it instantly. And if you remap window shifting to ctrl+h,j,k,l you can be wicked fast
in vscode you can do this inside the search file thing (CMD + P). Type : for the current file or navigate to same file and append :
equivalently you can do G (if you don't want to mess up your q: history)
@@jeffreychandler8418 i've personally never done any remapping of vim default binding, imo having that ctrl-w makes me feel safe since it acts as a "namespace" of sorts but that sounds like a neat idea 😄
finally, I have an idea about what is vim, thank you
This is something good to watch in bedtime. But in a good way. When you go sleep, you know you learned something today (tonight ig) and you feel good for yourself
So entertaining dude. And so powerful for learning. I think so many people will use these in the future
You might like Helix more. It is a Vim-like text editor, but it has a UI that explains a lot to you, and it has more intuitive shortcuts out of the box.
As someone on the bottom of the iceberg (i have Vim on my phone configured for a bunch of languages), you did great. Hell, you learned faster than i did. Some of these things took me a while.
And I'd say a fair compromise is vim motions on vscode. That way, you have Vim but without having to configure it. I do believe just raw neovim is better tho.
Man, you're a chad of the highest level. Congrats for trying vim !
I know the basics Vim but I always catch myself not using it like I should. After the steep learning curve Vim is such a powerful text editor (Specifically the vim motions). Great video.
You always teach me something new! I wasn't aware of the CTRL + Back Space shortcut, thank you
YESSSS!! FINALLY A BOG VIDEO. Even tho i have nothing to do with half of the things that BOG makes video about, i still can't control myself from watching the whole video
This brings me back to when i was first learning vim, now i cant live without it.
I am enjoying this dudes character development
A lot of us don't remember specific commands, what we do instead is learn that "c" is change, "w" is word etc.
So when I for example see a "string" that I want to change, my brain just automatically thinks ` change inside " ` and I press `c` then `i` and finally `"` and it just works!
If I wanted to delete the string, I'd do `d` then `i` and `"`. All I did was change the `c` to a `d`, and I can combine that with anything else I want to do.
So even if there are a bazillion commands and keys, they're very often just different combinations of the same things you already know.
And eventually you rarely even use HJKL, instead you jump around by using commands and motions.
And if you're using more than 3 commands or 2 mode changes to do something simple, you're probably doing it wrong heh.
(example of this was changing things inside { } and [ ], which would just be `ci{` and `ci[` instead of jumping into visual mode and what not)
I'd also like to say that the terminal, and all that `cd` etc. are things most developers have used for years, so those things come naturally to us.
So you're basically learning 2 or 3 things at the same time here, not just Vim.
(pro tip: press tab in the terminal so you don't have to actually type all the filenames and commands)
Well done tho!
What I like about the video is how it teaches you to Google your questions
I've been using vim for like ~2 years, I enjoyed this video a lot!
the keyboard shortcut guy from youtube just found out about vim. hes gonna be unstoppable!!!
You have an amazing skill of critical thinking. I love watching you exploring programs, operating systems, browsers.. Keep going my man!
Learning the command line and vim at the same time? Based.
BTW, you don't have to create a file with the touch command. You can just vim . It will be created when you save it. Also instead of :wq, use :x. Saves typing!
Always fun to watch someone at least try to learn vim. Neovim is definitely superior
We need a The Neovim Experience video next
Your videos are so motivating, it's also nice for the soul to watch. Thank you very much!
every experienced software engineer should watch this video in order to remember what beginner users will try to do in order to learn a tool instead of actually reading the explanations/documentation that they find. The part where bog confuses visual and visual block mode (shift+v vs ctrl+v) definitely hurt to watch. Great video.
YESSS i knew this video was coming!! im loving it so far... keep it up pleasee!! :>
Been waiting for a new Bog’s vid more than GTA6
You know it's serious when Bog uses Mac to record a video
tip: there's a raycast extension that lets you search vim commands.
Finally new bog vid
Uploaded literally while I'm rewriting my neovim config
gg
When I grow up , I want to continue learning new things everyday regardless of my age . Like you
tip: you can just use vim without the filename parameter, saving the file creates it without needing to use the touch command
The plug installation part man I realated so much.. destroyed 4 hours of my life to figure stuff out
vim is not only speed, it's actually more about customization - making it your own personal workflow, tailored to your preferences. and the instruments that neovim provide for that are far more substantial that vim. vim-motions are basically just the begging of your vim journey
it really is fun watching you learn things.
i say that as someone who does not know things
Really like you sharing your adventures on discovering new tech for you
Really interesting and entertaining, thanks. I'll try vim in the future
Great video! But you forgot one of the most powerful Vim commands: the “dot” command (“.” in normal mode) to avoid repetition!!!😊
ALSO use dd and dd. ALSO u can use dd and dd to do the same thing but in the direction u choose
EDIT: sorry i accidentally said dd instead of d when reffering to the arrow key shortcuts but ye the line thing is still correct
also sorry i accidentaloy said dd which is incorrect what i meant is dd
but the arrow stuff deletes only 2 lines
Wouldn't it be a single d when starting with d? dd deletes the current line as soon as you hit the second d
@ ye sorry i accidentally typed dd oops
My favourite one is deleting two lines with dj
Every time I do this, the song by Rihanna plays in my head (Come Mr DJ, won't you turn the music up)
this is why vim motions suck dick
Pure gold comedy, should be a TV series
He exited vim? Ain't no way. I use neovim, btw. Great job. Awesome tech videos. Love it 😘
to be honest, you are describing the correct process of learning something.
im impressed on how effectively you learned vim😅
The editor with the familiar shortcuts you're looking for is emacs. Ctrl-backspace etc. Emacs does not have modes and instead uses the control key to perform its commands. In vim you are always going between two modes, typing and movement commands
also it's funny how you didn't start with vimtutor which comes along with your vim installation
As somebody coding in vim on macOS for over a decade (started with the first Intel Macs in 2006) seeing somebody stumble across how awesome it is, feels like pure joy!
You can also do "vim file" to both create and open a file if it doesn't exist. As long as you don't :w, you can :q without creating the file.
Usefull if you typo and accidentally go into an empty file, so you don't leave a bunch of
"File1 file1 fil1 fill" in the directory.
Btw, there's neovim. It's vim, just that there's more plugins and the configuration to add every single feature of modern IDEs fors from Impossible/7th Layer of Hell to Really hard/1st Layer of Hell.
this reminds me of how my dad was teaching me how to use the linux terminal.
it was pretty hard to grasp but then i got used to it
A shield transforming into Yoink is peak internet
mate....you don't need touch...just do "vim {filename}" to make the file and go inside of it....
idk if you learnt it eventually but I'm 5 minutes in...i will edit this comment if I find anything else to say :3
edit 1:
you don't need to type the full :u, *pressing* u in normal mode will do it too, and its faster and easier.
edit 2:
ok nvm he figured it out at 14:27 good job!
edit 3:
at 16:02 you're trying to run a python file from the usual terminal, but you can run terminal commands in vim too by doing ":!python3 {filename}" after saving the file with ":w"
edit 4:
oh nvm he figured it out at 21:40 good job bog!
yay new bog video
When we needed him the most, he showed up.
Honestly, the idea of using the terminal for everything, thereby massively reducing the amount of visual input I have to process sounds wonderful. As long as there is more than one slot for copied text, like on mobile. And also, it would be awful to use before a certain level of proficiency.
After you've learned the basics here i would recommend going for nvim and setting up lsps for proper suggestions.
For the sake of making this easier and not having to do a lot of configurations i would recommend searching for nvim distributions which do this for you by default and you just have to enable what you're are going to use it for as in your case python.
I think we all knew this video was gonna be here eventually
vim takes some time to get used to, but soo nice to write in when you use it daily
"Lets do an animation!"
Me: "That sounds like a job for Manim."
Lo and behold, Bog is a fellow Manim enjoyer.
25:00 in neovim to comment and uncomment you can just press gcc, and then for multiline you can select multiple lines however you want and type gc
39:20 a more optimal way to do that is with shift+P to paste above the cursor
40:20 to swap the case of the character under the cursor you can press ~ (or shift + backtick if you prefer that notation)
Any new vim user should go through the vim tutor first to get the hang of things, then dive deeper. Nice video btw.
I freaking knew this was coming