I think he is the apprentice of the Sith Master. He is tired of hiding and biding time, so he is trying to find his own apprentice to usurp his master. As is tradition.
@@NtrudErShe did say in a interview view after this episode he is the Sith Lord rather him be that because I don’t need a last minute person popping in like let him be the big bad and let him work in the shadows for this time period it’s a big galaxy it can be more then one set of sith with plans we don’t know about that could have had other plan no one knew about until now
As I’ve said in one of Generation Tech’s videos: I see this as two, maybe three ways: 1. Qimir _is_ a Sith (whether currently or formerly like Maul or Millenial) 2. He’s a Dark Jedi (like Set Harth or Desaan), who might have some hidden history involving Sol. 3. He’s a _possible_ member/founder of the Knights of Ren (least likely)
I like the idea of a Knights of Ren connection. Like maybe he is rejected by his Sith master for revealing himself and then decides to start his own thing, the chaotic Ren's of the dark side.
I honestly think if Qimir was supposed to be a knight of ren, they would have used The Knights of Ren theme from TROS rather tham the theme specific to Kylo Ren
"Yord: he gets into your head and he stays there" "Osha: my mother could do that, get inside the head of a Jedi. I saw it once" There is no way this is just a throw away line, it's a major hint
I assumed it was a red herring to throw you off from thinking the Stranger was Qimir. Before episode 5 it was telegraphed that it could be either the zabrak mother or Qimir
i think the line is quite literally but the way they go about it is differently, Mother Aniseya can control you like a puppet, Qimir gets in your head through fear
I think they blame the jedi massacre on the witches. Oh the witch took control of Yord and made him kill all the other jedis when he was done she used the magik to snap his neck.
So we're just going all out on the idea the Jedi are stupid? the guy that is obviously a sith even said he was one must be a witch because his master is from the exclusively FEMALE group of witches.. so the GUY must be a witch 2.. and the logic of a witch revealing she's a sith and the Jedi responding with oh so theyre just witches..
35:24 I think is wording is also part of his thesis statement. He doesn’t want to be defined by the Jedi’s rules and definitions! But, he needs to speak language that Sol will understand. “Look man, I’m not really an in-the-box kind of guy, but if you need to put me in a box, here’s the closest match.”
26:15 "When he said 'you don't recognise me?', I was like 'ooh, they've met before', then I went 'oh yeah, two episodes ago". I had the exact same response when Yord was like "You." and Qimir said "Surprise!", I was like "Oh, Yord knows Qimir somehow!" Duh, they confronted him in episode 2. Embarrassing that I managed to forget, since the exchange of "Who is he?" "I thought he was with you" in that exact scene had me laughing so hard I had to pause the episode.🤦♀
If it’s a Sith story, The Stranger could be the only recurring character throughout more seasons. Possibly showing how he branches off and creates the Knight of Ren. Maybe unrelated but when confronting Maul and Savage, Palpatine says, “You have become a rival”. I’ve always interpreted that as there have been other rivals throughout recent Sith history. Could be the case here
People keep saying this show breaks the lore about the sith being extinct. Well what about when Yoda and Mace are talking at Qui-Gon’s funeral.? “Always two there are, a master and an apprentice…. “ How would Yoda know about the rule of two if they’ve been extinct? There is most certainly a Jedi council coverup.
The thing about that is that exactly one Jedi knows about Qimir saying the word "Sith", and that's just Sol. The Order may never learn of Qimir for one reason or another, and the lore stays true and Ki-Adi's line remains the falsehood it always was.
@@ElvisbackpackAnd even if Sol makes it back, the conversation could be as follows: “Dark side user killed 7 Jedi. “ “What was he?” “He said he had no name, but we would call him a Sith.” “The Sith are extinct so he couldn’t be a Sith.” “Oh yeah, that’s right.”
@@ElvisbackpackI think the specifically brought in Ka-Adi Mundi in order to keep the meaning of his phrase the same. He believes a wrong thing, he might be given a reason why by this show. Rather than just repeating something he heared.
No coverup required. This goes all the way back to when the rule of 2 was 1st created by Darth Bane. Darth Bane is believed to be the only sith that survived their extinction and was slain by his apprentice. I am not a master of star wars history so do not ask me for specifics but some how the jedi knew about his death and the rule of 2 and it was after his death that the jedi believed the sith to be extinct.
I get the feeling that the few Jedi who know about Qimir by the end of this season may not believe he was really a Sith. It would explain why Mace Windu would be skeptical of a random dark side user with a red blade being Sith. That just reinforces the arrogance of the Jedi of the prequel era.
I might be misremembering, but I recall the "Rise of Kylo Ren" comics series opening on a scene where Ren demands that someone kill their brother as an initiation rite. I could see the Stranger doing the same with Mae at first, and the four Jedi from Brendok. But now, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Osha is manipulated into going after Mae as part of the same initiation rite.
It makes more sense to me that Rey discovers some other hidden Jedi academy as opposed to starting one on her own. Would be interesting to see her interact with some entity that wants to bring back the Jedi exactly as they were because I don't think that's what she'd want to see. I just sincerely hope we get to see some familiar faces in this story. People like Rancisis, Kestis, that kid with telemetry from that one novel, Grogu, Ezra, maybe Ahsoka.
Rey is the last Jedi alive after Luke and Leia die. If the sequels did anything right its to end on a clean slate for a galaxy of new characters. I wouldn't mind Grogu showing up as relatively untrained force user since he'd still b a kid basically but that's it. Unless they're a force ghost I don't want to see any returning Jedi.
@@MrBoJangles She trained for a full year under Leia and with the Jedi texts between Last Jedi and Rise. That's the same amount of time as Luke from Empire to Return.
@@forrestpenrod2294 she isn't really the last Jedi alive , there is the likes of Cal , Ezra and Ahsoka. She is the last templar/centralist jedi , while the other 3 are more of wanderers. That been said , I agree that Rey is basically on her own , as the other 3 had no desire to make an Academy or Jedi Temples and are scattered in the Galaxy.
Besides the comments in interviews, I keep coming back to the fact that he quoted the Sith code and it was clearly a part of Mae's training. I think he is definitely a Sith, and the "might call me Sith" line is an interesting glimpse inside his head and a demonstration that he doesn't care about "the Sith cause" as much as his own power and agenda (which itonically feels like the most Sith outlook a person could have 😅)
Honestly, I think a book following Kylo's version of the Knights of Ren and what they were up to during The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi is the story about them that I would most want at this point. They were so underutilized in the Sequels, and we have no idea where they even were during the majority of the Sequel movies themselves. I need to care more about that group of Knights before I care about their order's history. What we've seen of them in the comics is interesting, but I would rather see more of them after Kylo's takeover.
Sol means Sun in some languages. Quimir pushed Sol towards darkness when he taunted Sol so Sol nearly Decapitated him while restraining Qimir. Then we got the Acolyte logo with a Sun being eclipsed by darkness.
Qimir is probably an Acolyte himself. I think his obvious reveal is because he's not the big reveal. The big reveal will be his master...which I believe is already a sith apprentice, so keeping with Rule of two, Qimir's plan is to try to get his own acolyte, using the twins' event with Jedi as a starting point.
If Qimir has a Master, he would be an Apprentice not an Acolyte. An Acolyte is basically the student of a Sith Apprentice. Qimir calls himself a Sith, is able to combat several Jedi and has red lightsabers. He is a Sith.
@@Rad0115 But that's my point - Qimir is a side piece for an existing apprentice (plagueis? And teneberous is the master?) And did Qimir call himself a Sith? Didn't he say "you'd call me a sith".
That may be the perfect summation. It's been about 1,000 years since vikings were the scourge of Europe and the average American could still give you a reasonable description of a viking (but would also not know whether they were a unified nation or just bands of raiders). At the same time, the description of "fur clad Barbarian" is not actually descriptive of your average viking and could instead apply just as easily to a wide array of historic threats to more "civilized" areas (e.g. the goths, visigoths, lombards, huns, saxons, franks, avars, cumans).
Yes but then it turns out its a Dane instead and not a Norseman. but anything that looks roughly like that gets lumped into the same drawer. Even more confusiing if its 2024 and someone dresses like that. So this is a good example
Q&A: Do you think you should address to any Star Wars fans that they don't understand about Lightsabers Stabs don't automatically kill people except for pointing it at the Middle? I seen alot of dumb complaints about Reva and Sabine that they didn't die from Lightsaber Stabs, but they weren't aware they were stabbed at the sides and non-fatal points doesn't straight out kill them?
Some people had their mind made up years ago about the current state of Star Wars and it'll stay that way. They hate and they want to keep hating and grasp at every single straw they can find no matter how incorrect or insignificant. You have to realise that some fans simply can't be reasoned with and that trying to do so is only a waste of your own time.
This! And I know people say “they should boil your blood and ruin you beyond repair” but there are loads of things in star wars that don’t make sense without further lore. People get their limbs cut off all the time. So many people survive fatal wounds in canon and legends because they’re clinging onto their hate etc. Honestly if the story’s interesting I’m sold
@@CheeseRunnerhow r u acting like people complaining about lightsabers not working like they should are just haters and are incorrect? The most iconic part of star wars (the lightsaber) is treated like a fancy glow stick lots of the time jus bouncing off people now. And if it does manage to actually turn into a lightsaber for a second and stab someone it apparently instantly becomes just a glow stick again and doesn't melt their insides like qui Gon melted a metal door by just sticking his lightsaber in.. not to mention the logic of lightsaber stabs being survivable but a kunai that only goes half an inch deep is game over.
I don't think it's silly or anything to call the Jedi "the good guys" because that's what they are. Part of the escapism of Star Wars and fiction in general is having good guys to root for in a story and bad guys to root against. And sometimes it isn't as simple as slapping a label on either and it's good to challenge that at times but something this show has really impressed me with is how it's humanised the Jedi really well and how they're presented, showing that they're just people with faults and insecurities and that's something I feel has been needed for Star Wars. Even Vernestra and the Jedi leadership have been shown to have valid concerns to approaching the investigation, things that need to be considered and I wouldn't want that to get flipped on its head by showing some of them committed atrocities on Brendok then hid it. I hope it was more of a tragic misunderstanding because the Jedi, while imperfect, should always be the good guys.
I'm good with Qimir being a Sith apprentice that inspired the Knights of Ren. Maybe he's Darth Ren, and lightsaber becomes "the Ren" and is passed along.
I think qimir is neither a knight of ren or a sith. I think he is just a lone rogue force user who doesn't agree with the views of the jedi which is why i think he says "Jedi like you might call me...sith". Because jedi ignorance and arrogance thinking they wiped out the sith forever,its not a people its a philosophy like the jedi are. So his words to me say "You people would label me a sith because you do not understand anymore,you think any practice of the force that doesn't align with you is heretical and evil"
Or Kymer is like Asaj Ventress in the Clone Wars micro series who declared herself a Sith and Count Dooku laughed at her and said she wasn't because just because you dress and fight like a Sith isn't enough as it can be imitated and we don't know if Kymer is like that
I’m not super knowledgeable about the Knights of Ren, but they don’t seem to be powerful or skilled force users, and they generally don’t use lightsabers. Even if Qimir is one, he probably had either Jedi or Sith training beforehand.
Their leader before Kylo was called "Ren" and he used a lightsaber. He also wore the same basic get up as Qimir. He got his lightsaber, that they called "The Ren," the from the leader before him. So, I could see Qimir being the inspiration behind them and his lightsaber becoming the Ren.
In the same way that telling people I’m from the general Denver area when I’m from 30 miles outside of Denver would not be the same as saying I was born and raised in Denver, Qimir saying “you might call me Sith” is not the same as “I’m Sith”.
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I think hes a Sith. Revealing him to be a Knight of Ren would fall flat on its face for most of the audience. They were mentioned once in Episode 7 and they had a few shots in episode 9, most of the Star Wars audience has no idea who they are or why they should care if he is. Thats only for people who are into the comics.
I think the witch connection has to do with how the twins were created. Can’t be a witch technique; they’re allowed to exist, even if they aren’t allowed to train children to use the force. But if they made a deal with a Sith, made the twins with Sith Alchemy…
Q&A: For the next animated series, what do you want to see? I personally want to see them take a break from the Prequel/Dark Times era and do something in the Pre-Sequel Trilogy era. A series with a different art style, centered on Rey, Finn and Poe before The Force Awakens would be what I'd like. It could add more to their upbringing and provide more of the Galaxy to explore in that era, like The Clone Wars did for the Prequels. Rey's life on Jakku could see her abandonment and early struggle understanding the force. Finn's story could have a tone like Andor, exploring how the First Order steals a person's soul. And Poe's story could show his dissolutionment from the Bew Republic and his time with Zorri.
I am rather musically challenged, I guess. Was the Kylo Ren theme played at the end when Qimir heals Osha? If so the clearest connection is that Kylo healed Rey.
1066 AD: the Norman Invasion of England and the Battle of Hastings where a French-speaking Duke overthrew the sitting Anglo-Saxon King. Sorry to be that guy, but the only thing I love more than Star Wars is history in this galaxy. 🙂
Ki-Adi-Mundi will go to Qimir and say: "Listen, you need to drop this whole 'you can call me sith'-attitude. Just choose any other name, and we leave you alone. And I can be telling that sith are still extinct. Win-win arrengement." And that's how knights of Ren were created.
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I think the KOR are in the SW tradition of the power-baddies that will be fleshed out little by little in the series. Boba Fett gain popular similarly but he actually had dialogue and more fanfare with merchandising.
I think in terms of Sith history amongst the Jedi, being 900 years after the Sith it's probably not like your standard curriculum. It would be accessible in the library/Jedi archives and might even be the equivalent of an elective or advanced subject. But even then, you wouldn't expect the first red lightsaber wielding force user to be that 1000 year old group you learnt about growing up, you would suspect they're a copycat or someone influenced by that history. The way Qimir says "someone like you" and "might call me Sith" is 100% accurate! He's just a red lightsaber wielding force user to every other being in the galaxy, but to the Jedi, they have a name for these types. And the emphasis on 'might' is because what's to say exactly what a Sith actually is? And what's a dark side splinter group with lightsabers? is it religion/ideology? In the context of 900 years post-Sith. So it's all completely interpretable! I think he is a Sith, but the universe isn't so black & white. And this show is doing a fantastic job of showing us that especially with the Jedi. It's not about good or bad, it's about power, and who is allowed to use it.
I feel like Darth Manny (Qimir) may be what Darth Venamis was in Legends, the up and coming secret (preferred) challenger to Darth Plagueis by Darth Tenebrous. In Legends Tenebrous was a bith, and Venamis was essentially his "son" by bith reproductive methods. To have a familial link between Qimir and what is possibly Tenebrous, Tenebrous kinda has to be human or near human in canon, something which would be possible given that we don't know much about Tenebrous there yet.
The Knights being a bunch of punks is what’s charming about them. And they do fit what The Stranger is looking for, do whatever the F they want, don’t give an F about anything. I love them.
Concerning knowledge of the Sith: Going by THA phase 1, they are more of a holodrama or fairy tale villain at this point. The Jedi 100 years before The Acolyte are taught about things like the 1000 Year Darkness at least when they become knights, but they don’t immediately recognise a Sith…as shown when they encountered the memory of Darth Krall for example.
In 1124 CE, David I was crowned King of the Scots. I would definitely be confused if he showed up with a broadsword telling me that I might call him Lord of the Scots.
What do you think of Death troopers being beaten by a civilian in Star Wars Outlaws. Do you think they will be nerfed like they were in ‘Star Wars Rebels: In the Name of the Rebellion Part 2’ and ‘Han Solo and Chewbacka’ No.8. Do you think they will be nerfed or do you think Death troopers are a well-suited addition to the game?
I don't think he's sith, he wants to be, but he's not. He may be the first iteration of the knights of Ren who like to collect artifacts infused with the darkside.
I want to see a harry potter type story for Jedi. Could be set in any time period really, New Jedi Order, High Republic, Old Republic, Galatic Republic. Could work better as a tv show and then through the seasons we see the kids grow up into full Jedi Knights.
Aren’t there mentions in the High Republic books about holo-dramas about the Jedi / Sith wars? Isn’t it just part of standard Republic history and lore? I always got the impression that it’s kind of like how WW2 is taught in US public schools: There’s a unit on it, and thus on the ideologies of the factions of the War, but not much beyond that, and certainly not of any depth, unless you’re a specialist. And then whatever is on tv.
Q&A: are we going to be getting a season 2 of the Acolyte? If so, could season one lead up to introducing the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith (if it isn’t Qimir, of course) and season two will transition from Mae and Osha’s story to Qimir and the Sith? I did wonder if Qimir is Sol’s sibling and the last thing he remembers is Sol being taken away by the Jedi leaving Qimir feeling abandoned, sort of like that SWTOR trailer where a Jedi only takes one of two siblings away to be trained and the one left behind had a terrible time growing up. The way Qimir says “you don’t remember me, do you?” It just sounds like he’s talking about more than their brief encounter in the second episode. Maybe it is, maybe I’m reading into it too much. But I am absolutely loving the theories and it’s been a nice distraction from all the hate the show has been getting.
What do y'all think about characters using the term 'high republic' in universe? It sounds like a historian's term applied to a civilization that doesn't exist anymore (like how we call it the Byzantine empire but they called themselves the Roman empire). It makes me wonder when the label was created. If they came up with that label during the high Republic era, it seems kinda self-aggrandizing. If it was during the prequels, are they admitting that they aren't as good as they used to be? If it came up during the empire, I would think palpatine's propaganda wing would ruin its image since it was a high point for the Jedi. Just some thoughts
Wow, I don't know if I love or hate the idea of the Jedi just pretending the Sith didn't exist in their lessons like some sort of Star Wars Florida school system....
Time wise it would be a bit like someone rocking up and saying they're a crusader, or that they're from a German principality like Saxony, Bavaria, or Swabia. Which in the terms of the latter I think a lot of people would go, huh?
Qimir is definitely aware of the Coven and knew about the girls and their power (dyad?) - I think he, or his master, was involved in the twins conception. Mother Coral says that the Jedi can't know about how they were conceived and think it was Qimir or his master (Plagueis?) using the Force to create them
I'm the opposite. The light side is easy for me because it's who I naturally am. It feels good to do right, to serve others and the greater good. If I hurt someone in any way, it would feel horrible, and I'd dwell on it for the rest of my life. I'd feel more guilt than the pain felt by the person I hurt. There's nothing easy or natural about being selfish and hurting others, or putting your own needs above others. At least not for me. I struggle to even take my own needs into account when helping others, sacrificing what I want or need, even if it makes me severely sick, stressed, or depressed, as long as I can help others. So for me, the hard part is definitely being selfish, even to a healthy level. I don't know how people can cause harm to other people without a care.
I really want him to be a Sith Lord... but I feel like Lucasfilm can't be trusted not to try too hard to link The Acolyte to the Sequel Trilogy, so he's almost certainly going to be a Knight of Ren. If that's the case I hope that he was trained by a Sith but has gone off to form his own offshoot (there are several interesting EU equivalents, like the Jensaarai). That might mean, if there's a Season 2, we get to see the REAL Sith expressing how unhappy they are that this upstart threatens their exposure, which would be interesting to me (I always love seeing the Sith show why they're on a whole other level compared to other dark siders).
Kylo Ren theme also plays earlier and episode four or five in the forest but it’s focused on OSHA. I think Kylo Ren‘s theme is about OSHA maybe linking OSHA and may to be a dyad in the force
Q&A : In Ep6 of The Acolyte, Qimir tells Osha that he has been around for a long time. Although it was 16 years earlier, is he the hooded figure at the Ascension ceremony on Brendock?
I realize that this would require some important canon rewriting, but I would love for the stranger to end up being Darth Plagueis. He's cunning, philosophical, a brilliant strategist and so, so powerful in the force already. It feels like a perfect fit in many ways except for the fact that he's not Muun. He could of course be the apprentice to Plagueis, and that works too, but I don't think that would be as satisfying.
@@_gelato.god_4265 and ka adi Mundi seed Tenebrous but keeps it hidden with his quote a hundred years later the Sith have been extinct for over a melinia
Maybe we don’t need to seperate the Knights of Ren and Sith at this point. What’s to say at their inception and height of power they weren’t a Sith offshoot? Qimir wants an acolyte, maybe instead of putting all his eggs in one basket he goes for a band of followers, like a cult leader. I can imagine early Knights being a bit more devoted to something, and by the time of the OT and ST they have just devolved into a petty biker gang, in a similar vein to the Path of the Open Hand to the Nihil. Maybe part of Qimir’s downfall involves them splitting off from him. The Knights might not even know Qimir is Sith. We don’t know if Mae knows explicitly that he is a Sith, or if she even cares. Maybe Qimir riles up a band of edgelords with promises of this cool dark side power.
Thought on Qimir being the og knight of ren. In Aftermath we have "The Acolytes of the Beyond" which ended up being the Knights of Ren if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe who/what Chimer is can be linked to the mythological hybrid creature, the Chimera comprised of different things and it's modern usage of impossible to achieve hopes or dreams...It seems to explain our questions about the what the character is and his objectives. I think it's a really good name for him.
The jedi are a force for good, but when they became a theocratic arm of the government, they were corrupted. They became 'soldiers' as the logical conclusion of that mistake. I hope that the canon NJO explores their true potential outside of the government (the rumored plot plays with this). The idealized Jedi, in my mind, were always closer to the Tales of the Jedi comics or some portrayals in Visions. The Jedi are best when they are more solitary, and not sanctioned by the galactic government.
Its not complicated. Nobody is making the Jedis bad. Good guys do bad things. Thats the point. Yes, the Jedi are portrayed to be flawed. We knew this from the beginning. This isnt new. I dont get how any Star Wars fan could fail to understand this. Unless you dont actually watch and are only listening to those with an agenda.
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I think he is the apprentice of the Sith Master. He is tired of hiding and biding time, so he is trying to find his own apprentice to usurp his master. As is tradition.
I hope we get to see his master.I hope it not one of witch.
I agree with this. He's basically the same age as Osha and Mae. Doubt he was a bad boy Sith as a child planning all this out
@@NtrudErShe did say in a interview view after this episode he is the Sith Lord rather him be that because I don’t need a last minute person popping in like let him be the big bad and let him work in the shadows for this time period it’s a big galaxy it can be more then one set of sith with plans we don’t know about that could have had other plan no one knew about until now
Yup, and he needs an Acolyte to do that
Im thinking Mother Koril is the master
As I’ve said in one of Generation Tech’s videos:
I see this as two, maybe three ways:
1. Qimir _is_ a Sith (whether currently or formerly like Maul or Millenial)
2. He’s a Dark Jedi (like Set Harth or Desaan), who might have some hidden history involving Sol.
3. He’s a _possible_ member/founder of the Knights of Ren (least likely)
Does Darth Millennial say "like", "actually", and "literally" non-stop?
@@TonyMidyett Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Millennial the Needy? I thought not. It’s not a story the Gen X’ers would tell you.
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I like the idea of a Knights of Ren connection. Like maybe he is rejected by his Sith master for revealing himself and then decides to start his own thing, the chaotic Ren's of the dark side.
I honestly think if Qimir was supposed to be a knight of ren, they would have used The Knights of Ren theme from TROS rather tham the theme specific to Kylo Ren
Q:&A : one more guys . Do you think Sol is plagius master ? Is Sol a sith ? She seems to nice to be a Sith ? I can't suspect her what do you think?
Or one of the witches
This show is quite cool so far 🎉
Sitcom? Surely a sithcom
I want to see Krennic in Luthen's shop, just so we can hear Ben Mendelsohn' and Stellan Skarsgård's distinct voices together.
Krennic is a Space Hipster, so I could absolutely see him buying the most cliche and tasteless item in Luthen's shop.
I cackled when Milly compared the Knights of Ren to a sad little boy band.
"Yord: he gets into your head and he stays there"
"Osha: my mother could do that, get inside the head of a Jedi. I saw it once"
There is no way this is just a throw away line, it's a major hint
Qimir is their dad , or was at least involved in their creations , which I’m guessing is where Sol should remember him from
I assumed it was a red herring to throw you off from thinking the Stranger was Qimir. Before episode 5 it was telegraphed that it could be either the zabrak mother or Qimir
i think the line is quite literally but the way they go about it is differently, Mother Aniseya can control you like a puppet, Qimir gets in your head through fear
I think they blame the jedi massacre on the witches. Oh the witch took control of Yord and made him kill all the other jedis when he was done she used the magik to snap his neck.
Oh my those arms of his...
Vader: "I have a cool costume"
Maul: "I have a cool lightsaber"
Ren: "I also have a cool lightsaber"
This guy: 💪
He hid those arms well under his disguise
@@neofulcrum5013The tripping and fumbling help the illusion, too. 😊
Having the Mother being Sith now also gives them an "out", as the Jedi can basically go "oh, it wasn't really Sith - it was witches".
So we're just going all out on the idea the Jedi are stupid? the guy that is obviously a sith even said he was one must be a witch because his master is from the exclusively FEMALE group of witches.. so the GUY must be a witch 2.. and the logic of a witch revealing she's a sith and the Jedi responding with oh so theyre just witches..
“They’re just like a sad little boy band” -> your power of synthesis is impressive
35:24 I think is wording is also part of his thesis statement. He doesn’t want to be defined by the Jedi’s rules and definitions! But, he needs to speak language that Sol will understand. “Look man, I’m not really an in-the-box kind of guy, but if you need to put me in a box, here’s the closest match.”
26:15 "When he said 'you don't recognise me?', I was like 'ooh, they've met before', then I went 'oh yeah, two episodes ago".
I had the exact same response when Yord was like "You." and Qimir said "Surprise!", I was like "Oh, Yord knows Qimir somehow!" Duh, they confronted him in episode 2. Embarrassing that I managed to forget, since the exchange of "Who is he?" "I thought he was with you" in that exact scene had me laughing so hard I had to pause the episode.🤦♀
If it’s a Sith story, The Stranger could be the only recurring character throughout more seasons. Possibly showing how he branches off and creates the Knight of Ren. Maybe unrelated but when confronting Maul and Savage, Palpatine says, “You have become a rival”. I’ve always interpreted that as there have been other rivals throughout recent Sith history. Could be the case here
The proper context the Rival think is the fact that 3 sith entered the room and only one Sith left that room.
The hand gesture to the Yord shrine with the little sad groan killed me. 😂
People keep saying this show breaks the lore about the sith being extinct. Well what about when Yoda and Mace are talking at Qui-Gon’s funeral.?
“Always two there are, a master and an apprentice…. “
How would Yoda know about the rule of two if they’ve been extinct? There is most certainly a Jedi council coverup.
The thing about that is that exactly one Jedi knows about Qimir saying the word "Sith", and that's just Sol. The Order may never learn of Qimir for one reason or another, and the lore stays true and Ki-Adi's line remains the falsehood it always was.
@@ElvisbackpackAnd even if Sol makes it back, the conversation could be as follows:
“Dark side user killed 7 Jedi. “
“What was he?”
“He said he had no name, but we would call him a Sith.”
“The Sith are extinct so he couldn’t be a Sith.”
“Oh yeah, that’s right.”
@@ElvisbackpackI think the specifically brought in Ka-Adi Mundi in order to keep the meaning of his phrase the same.
He believes a wrong thing, he might be given a reason why by this show. Rather than just repeating something he heared.
No coverup required. This goes all the way back to when the rule of 2 was 1st created by Darth Bane. Darth Bane is believed to be the only sith that survived their extinction and was slain by his apprentice. I am not a master of star wars history so do not ask me for specifics but some how the jedi knew about his death and the rule of 2 and it was after his death that the jedi believed the sith to be extinct.
The Sith were never extinct. The Jedi thought they were extinct.
I get the feeling that the few Jedi who know about Qimir by the end of this season may not believe he was really a Sith. It would explain why Mace Windu would be skeptical of a random dark side user with a red blade being Sith. That just reinforces the arrogance of the Jedi of the prequel era.
I might be misremembering, but I recall the "Rise of Kylo Ren" comics series opening on a scene where Ren demands that someone kill their brother as an initiation rite. I could see the Stranger doing the same with Mae at first, and the four Jedi from Brendok. But now, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Osha is manipulated into going after Mae as part of the same initiation rite.
A jedi academy that Cal has made and he reaches out to Rey after the fall of the First Order
Maybe. There is always Ezra or Ahsoka. Both would be fairly old by then, but still.
Ahsoka was a kid when the Clone Wars began, so she'd be really, really old! Those gray Jedi vibes, tho, they keep you super young!
@@ephesians.6 Ahsoka would be between 85 and 90 years old. Ezra would about 70.
According to Wookiepedia, the average Togrutan lifespan is between 82 and 94 years...so it's possible right? :)
The same way Ben Kenobi’s theme became the Jedi theme, I can see Kylo’s theme becoming the Knights of Ren theme
Or how the Imperial March represents both Darth Vader and the Empire as a whole
Nah. Cause it plays when he’s Ben solo. It’s just his theme.
The Stranger is A Sith why would Leylse headland lie
@@JBTriple8 He could still be a Sith?
@@JoshieboyStudiosI hope they don't make the Knights of Ren as old as the sith that ruins the legends timeline for sure
Q&A: Are spice creams called such because they're spicy, or because they're drugged; do people in Star Wars refer to regular spices as "spices"?
It makes more sense to me that Rey discovers some other hidden Jedi academy as opposed to starting one on her own. Would be interesting to see her interact with some entity that wants to bring back the Jedi exactly as they were because I don't think that's what she'd want to see. I just sincerely hope we get to see some familiar faces in this story. People like Rancisis, Kestis, that kid with telemetry from that one novel, Grogu, Ezra, maybe Ahsoka.
Exactly what Iwant them to do in Episode 10
Rey is the last Jedi alive after Luke and Leia die.
If the sequels did anything right its to end on a clean slate for a galaxy of new characters. I wouldn't mind Grogu showing up as relatively untrained force user since he'd still b a kid basically but that's it. Unless they're a force ghost I don't want to see any returning Jedi.
@@forrestpenrod2294she was barely trained in the ways of the Jedi
@@MrBoJangles She trained for a full year under Leia and with the Jedi texts between Last Jedi and Rise. That's the same amount of time as Luke from Empire to Return.
@@forrestpenrod2294 she isn't really the last Jedi alive , there is the likes of Cal , Ezra and Ahsoka. She is the last templar/centralist jedi , while the other 3 are more of wanderers.
That been said , I agree that Rey is basically on her own , as the other 3 had no desire to make an Academy or Jedi Temples and are scattered in the Galaxy.
Besides the comments in interviews, I keep coming back to the fact that he quoted the Sith code and it was clearly a part of Mae's training. I think he is definitely a Sith, and the "might call me Sith" line is an interesting glimpse inside his head and a demonstration that he doesn't care about "the Sith cause" as much as his own power and agenda (which itonically feels like the most Sith outlook a person could have 😅)
That's just one of the many examples for why Mae isn't the Acolyte that the show is named after.
Honestly, I think a book following Kylo's version of the Knights of Ren and what they were up to during The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi is the story about them that I would most want at this point. They were so underutilized in the Sequels, and we have no idea where they even were during the majority of the Sequel movies themselves. I need to care more about that group of Knights before I care about their order's history. What we've seen of them in the comics is interesting, but I would rather see more of them after Kylo's takeover.
Sol means Sun in some languages. Quimir pushed Sol towards darkness when he taunted Sol so Sol nearly Decapitated him while restraining Qimir.
Then we got the Acolyte logo with a Sun being eclipsed by darkness.
Qimir is probably an Acolyte himself. I think his obvious reveal is because he's not the big reveal. The big reveal will be his master...which I believe is already a sith apprentice, so keeping with Rule of two, Qimir's plan is to try to get his own acolyte, using the twins' event with Jedi as a starting point.
Maybe Darth Tenebrous
If Qimir has a Master, he would be an Apprentice not an Acolyte.
An Acolyte is basically the student of a Sith Apprentice.
Qimir calls himself a Sith, is able to combat several Jedi and has red lightsabers. He is a Sith.
@@Rad0115 But that's my point - Qimir is a side piece for an existing apprentice (plagueis? And teneberous is the master?) And did Qimir call himself a Sith? Didn't he say "you'd call me a sith".
@@Funoct yes!!!!
I think him being an apprentice is one of the final twists. An Acolyte is basically a Sith padawan and Q'mir is too skilled.
Fur clad Barbarian walks through the door:
“Some might call me… a Viking.”
Visible confusion
That may be the perfect summation. It's been about 1,000 years since vikings were the scourge of Europe and the average American could still give you a reasonable description of a viking (but would also not know whether they were a unified nation or just bands of raiders). At the same time, the description of "fur clad Barbarian" is not actually descriptive of your average viking and could instead apply just as easily to a wide array of historic threats to more "civilized" areas (e.g. the goths, visigoths, lombards, huns, saxons, franks, avars, cumans).
Yes but then it turns out its a Dane instead and not a Norseman. but anything that looks roughly like that gets lumped into the same drawer. Even more confusiing if its 2024 and someone dresses like that. So this is a good example
“Some might call me… Norman.”
“Hi, Norman. I’m Sol.”
The Knights of Ren are pretty cool in the comic book "The Rise of Kylo Ren" and the DK "Rise of Skywalker Visual Guide".
Q&A: Do you think you should address to any Star Wars fans that they don't understand about Lightsabers Stabs don't automatically kill people except for pointing it at the Middle? I seen alot of dumb complaints about Reva and Sabine that they didn't die from Lightsaber Stabs, but they weren't aware they were stabbed at the sides and non-fatal points doesn't straight out kill them?
Some people had their mind made up years ago about the current state of Star Wars and it'll stay that way.
They hate and they want to keep hating and grasp at every single straw they can find no matter how incorrect or insignificant.
You have to realise that some fans simply can't be reasoned with and that trying to do so is only a waste of your own time.
@@CheeseRunnerI needed to have reads your comment earlier. I was trying to reason with one such “fan” earlier today and it was an utter waste of time.
This! And I know people say “they should boil your blood and ruin you beyond repair” but there are loads of things in star wars that don’t make sense without further lore. People get their limbs cut off all the time. So many people survive fatal wounds in canon and legends because they’re clinging onto their hate etc. Honestly if the story’s interesting I’m sold
@@CheeseRunnerhow r u acting like people complaining about lightsabers not working like they should are just haters and are incorrect? The most iconic part of star wars (the lightsaber) is treated like a fancy glow stick lots of the time jus bouncing off people now. And if it does manage to actually turn into a lightsaber for a second and stab someone it apparently instantly becomes just a glow stick again and doesn't melt their insides like qui Gon melted a metal door by just sticking his lightsaber in.. not to mention the logic of lightsaber stabs being survivable but a kunai that only goes half an inch deep is game over.
I don't think it's silly or anything to call the Jedi "the good guys" because that's what they are. Part of the escapism of Star Wars and fiction in general is having good guys to root for in a story and bad guys to root against. And sometimes it isn't as simple as slapping a label on either and it's good to challenge that at times but something this show has really impressed me with is how it's humanised the Jedi really well and how they're presented, showing that they're just people with faults and insecurities and that's something I feel has been needed for Star Wars. Even Vernestra and the Jedi leadership have been shown to have valid concerns to approaching the investigation, things that need to be considered and I wouldn't want that to get flipped on its head by showing some of them committed atrocities on Brendok then hid it. I hope it was more of a tragic misunderstanding because the Jedi, while imperfect, should always be the good guys.
Qmir: You don’t recognize me?
Sol: I don’t even know who you are.
_Thanos nods head in approval_
I'm good with Qimir being a Sith apprentice that inspired the Knights of Ren. Maybe he's Darth Ren, and lightsaber becomes "the Ren" and is passed along.
I think qimir is neither a knight of ren or a sith. I think he is just a lone rogue force user who doesn't agree with the views of the jedi which is why i think he says "Jedi like you might call me...sith". Because jedi ignorance and arrogance thinking they wiped out the sith forever,its not a people its a philosophy like the jedi are. So his words to me say "You people would label me a sith because you do not understand anymore,you think any practice of the force that doesn't align with you is heretical and evil"
Or Kymer is like Asaj Ventress in the Clone Wars micro series who declared herself a Sith and Count Dooku laughed at her and said she wasn't because just because you dress and fight like a Sith isn't enough as it can be imitated and we don't know if Kymer is like that
You may not have meant to, but you made very persuasive points about him being Ren. 😅
I’m not super knowledgeable about the Knights of Ren, but they don’t seem to be powerful or skilled force users, and they generally don’t use lightsabers. Even if Qimir is one, he probably had either Jedi or Sith training beforehand.
Yeah they definitely feel more like a band of mercenaries.
Their leader before Kylo was called "Ren" and he used a lightsaber. He also wore the same basic get up as Qimir. He got his lightsaber, that they called "The Ren," the from the leader before him. So, I could see Qimir being the inspiration behind them and his lightsaber becoming the Ren.
In the same way that telling people I’m from the general Denver area when I’m from 30 miles outside of Denver would not be the same as saying I was born and raised in Denver, Qimir saying “you might call me Sith” is not the same as “I’m Sith”.
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I think hes a Sith. Revealing him to be a Knight of Ren would fall flat on its face for most of the audience. They were mentioned once in Episode 7 and they had a few shots in episode 9, most of the Star Wars audience has no idea who they are or why they should care if he is. Thats only for people who are into the comics.
The Jecki reference in the shrine was the 3 candles...
I think the witch connection has to do with how the twins were created. Can’t be a witch technique; they’re allowed to exist, even if they aren’t allowed to train children to use the force. But if they made a deal with a Sith, made the twins with Sith Alchemy…
I stand with Mollie, the KoR are just emo kids in star wars
Q&A: For the next animated series, what do you want to see?
I personally want to see them take a break from the Prequel/Dark Times era and do something in the Pre-Sequel Trilogy era. A series with a different art style, centered on Rey, Finn and Poe before The Force Awakens would be what I'd like. It could add more to their upbringing and provide more of the Galaxy to explore in that era, like The Clone Wars did for the Prequels.
Rey's life on Jakku could see her abandonment and early struggle understanding the force.
Finn's story could have a tone like Andor, exploring how the First Order steals a person's soul.
And Poe's story could show his dissolutionment from the Bew Republic and his time with Zorri.
Qimir had his Helmet on,when he said,Dont your remember me?,so that would mean that Sol has encountered Qimir,while being masked before.
He also said "surprise" when Yord recognized him...
I think he has Jedi/light side roots...as almost every Sith/dark Force user does...
Both. More than likely, he is Darth REN. A Rogue SITH!!!
I am rather musically challenged, I guess.
Was the Kylo Ren theme played at the end when Qimir heals Osha? If so the clearest connection is that Kylo healed Rey.
Q&A: please no Leslie don't make the Knights of Ren as old as the Sith and witches of dathomir I don't think that's fair at all .
I think hearing Kylos theme in the show pretty much convinces me he’s the first Ren
as much as I don't like the Acolyte show, I would have to say that he openly admits to being a Sith
"If we don't meditate on the past... we are doomed to repeat it." said Sol to Jacky in ep. 1. Seems like they are not learning a thing about sith.
Molly always wears the best shirts!
1066 AD: the Norman Invasion of England and the Battle of Hastings where a French-speaking Duke overthrew the sitting Anglo-Saxon King. Sorry to be that guy, but the only thing I love more than Star Wars is history in this galaxy. 🙂
Ki-Adi-Mundi will go to Qimir and say: "Listen, you need to drop this whole 'you can call me sith'-attitude. Just choose any other name, and we leave you alone. And I can be telling that sith are still extinct. Win-win arrengement."
And that's how knights of Ren were created.
He's a Sith. The show runner confirmed it in an interview with Entertainment Weekly.
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Why do i get the feeling that smylo rens real mission is to break sols resolve?
Q&A : why does Yoda say two there are a master and an apprentice?
Yord: *dies*
Smash cut to Natasha Lyonne
"Gotta Get Up" starts playing
mollie i am once again asking (please) for you to tell me where you got your shirt 😂
this one was a thrifted gift :)
What if Qimir is a Sith apprentice who goes off to do his own thing, abandoning the Rule of Two to do his own thing (IE Knights of Ren)?
I believe Qimir is Darth Venamis
I think the KOR are in the SW tradition of the power-baddies that will be fleshed out little by little in the series.
Boba Fett gain popular similarly but he actually had dialogue and more fanfare with merchandising.
Ruffalo apparently actually understands storytelling, namely, the fact that SPOILERS DO NOT DIMINISH ENJOYMENT OF A WORK.
I think in terms of Sith history amongst the Jedi, being 900 years after the Sith it's probably not like your standard curriculum. It would be accessible in the library/Jedi archives and might even be the equivalent of an elective or advanced subject. But even then, you wouldn't expect the first red lightsaber wielding force user to be that 1000 year old group you learnt about growing up, you would suspect they're a copycat or someone influenced by that history.
The way Qimir says "someone like you" and "might call me Sith" is 100% accurate! He's just a red lightsaber wielding force user to every other being in the galaxy, but to the Jedi, they have a name for these types. And the emphasis on 'might' is because what's to say exactly what a Sith actually is? And what's a dark side splinter group with lightsabers? is it religion/ideology? In the context of 900 years post-Sith. So it's all completely interpretable!
I think he is a Sith, but the universe isn't so black & white. And this show is doing a fantastic job of showing us that especially with the Jedi. It's not about good or bad, it's about power, and who is allowed to use it.
LOST. TWENTY. ANIMATED. SERIES. PLEASE GOD. One episode for each member throughout the history of the order. It would be so GOOD
I feel like Darth Manny (Qimir) may be what Darth Venamis was in Legends, the up and coming secret (preferred) challenger to Darth Plagueis by Darth Tenebrous.
In Legends Tenebrous was a bith, and Venamis was essentially his "son" by bith reproductive methods. To have a familial link between Qimir and what is possibly Tenebrous, Tenebrous kinda has to be human or near human in canon, something which would be possible given that we don't know much about Tenebrous there yet.
The Knights being a bunch of punks is what’s charming about them. And they do fit what The Stranger is looking for, do whatever the F they want, don’t give an F about anything. I love them.
Maybe his sith name is simply Darth Ren and all his followers are knights of his. KISS "Keep It Simple St...." lol....
Concerning knowledge of the Sith: Going by THA phase 1, they are more of a holodrama or fairy tale villain at this point. The Jedi 100 years before The Acolyte are taught about things like the 1000 Year Darkness at least when they become knights, but they don’t immediately recognise a Sith…as shown when they encountered the memory of Darth Krall for example.
Ki A Mundi qould not take anything serious, ESPEIALLY SITH, they dont exist, never has.
In 1124 CE, David I was crowned King of the Scots. I would definitely be confused if he showed up with a broadsword telling me that I might call him Lord of the Scots.
What is the Stranger is (or something close to) an immortal, that Palpatine or Darth Plagueis has been looking for?
What do you think of Death troopers being beaten by a civilian in Star Wars Outlaws. Do you think they will be nerfed like they were in ‘Star Wars Rebels: In the Name of the Rebellion Part 2’ and ‘Han Solo and Chewbacka’ No.8. Do you think they will be nerfed or do you think Death troopers are a well-suited addition to the game?
I don't think he's sith, he wants to be, but he's not. He may be the first iteration of the knights of Ren who like to collect artifacts infused with the darkside.
I want to see a harry potter type story for Jedi. Could be set in any time period really, New Jedi Order, High Republic, Old Republic, Galatic Republic. Could work better as a tv show and then through the seasons we see the kids grow up into full Jedi Knights.
Aren’t there mentions in the High Republic books about holo-dramas about the Jedi / Sith wars? Isn’t it just part of standard Republic history and lore? I always got the impression that it’s kind of like how WW2 is taught in US public schools: There’s a unit on it, and thus on the ideologies of the factions of the War, but not much beyond that, and certainly not of any depth, unless you’re a specialist. And then whatever is on tv.
Q&A: are we going to be getting a season 2 of the Acolyte?
If so, could season one lead up to introducing the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith (if it isn’t Qimir, of course) and season two will transition from Mae and Osha’s story to Qimir and the Sith?
I did wonder if Qimir is Sol’s sibling and the last thing he remembers is Sol being taken away by the Jedi leaving Qimir feeling abandoned, sort of like that SWTOR trailer where a Jedi only takes one of two siblings away to be trained and the one left behind had a terrible time growing up. The way Qimir says “you don’t remember me, do you?” It just sounds like he’s talking about more than their brief encounter in the second episode. Maybe it is, maybe I’m reading into it too much.
But I am absolutely loving the theories and it’s been a nice distraction from all the hate the show has been getting.
What do y'all think about characters using the term 'high republic' in universe?
It sounds like a historian's term applied to a civilization that doesn't exist anymore (like how we call it the Byzantine empire but they called themselves the Roman empire). It makes me wonder when the label was created.
If they came up with that label during the high Republic era, it seems kinda self-aggrandizing. If it was during the prequels, are they admitting that they aren't as good as they used to be? If it came up during the empire, I would think palpatine's propaganda wing would ruin its image since it was a high point for the Jedi.
Just some thoughts
Wow, I don't know if I love or hate the idea of the Jedi just pretending the Sith didn't exist in their lessons like some sort of Star Wars Florida school system....
Time wise it would be a bit like someone rocking up and saying they're a crusader, or that they're from a German principality like Saxony, Bavaria, or Swabia. Which in the terms of the latter I think a lot of people would go, huh?
I again he not a Sith he doesn’t have the yellow eyes
Neither did Palpatine for two and a half movies.
Qimir is definitely aware of the Coven and knew about the girls and their power (dyad?) - I think he, or his master, was involved in the twins conception. Mother Coral says that the Jedi can't know about how they were conceived and think it was Qimir or his master (Plagueis?) using the Force to create them
I'm the opposite. The light side is easy for me because it's who I naturally am. It feels good to do right, to serve others and the greater good. If I hurt someone in any way, it would feel horrible, and I'd dwell on it for the rest of my life. I'd feel more guilt than the pain felt by the person I hurt. There's nothing easy or natural about being selfish and hurting others, or putting your own needs above others. At least not for me. I struggle to even take my own needs into account when helping others, sacrificing what I want or need, even if it makes me severely sick, stressed, or depressed, as long as I can help others. So for me, the hard part is definitely being selfish, even to a healthy level. I don't know how people can cause harm to other people without a care.
I really want him to be a Sith Lord... but I feel like Lucasfilm can't be trusted not to try too hard to link The Acolyte to the Sequel Trilogy, so he's almost certainly going to be a Knight of Ren.
If that's the case I hope that he was trained by a Sith but has gone off to form his own offshoot (there are several interesting EU equivalents, like the Jensaarai). That might mean, if there's a Season 2, we get to see the REAL Sith expressing how unhappy they are that this upstart threatens their exposure, which would be interesting to me (I always love seeing the Sith show why they're on a whole other level compared to other dark siders).
He’s an ex-pupil of Sol’s gone Dark. Apprentice of the apprentice. Sith or K/REN. Qimir Ren maybe?
Now I’m thinking about Holocron Faires
Kylo Ren theme also plays earlier and episode four or five in the forest but it’s focused on OSHA. I think Kylo Ren‘s theme is about OSHA maybe linking OSHA and may to be a dyad in the force
Q&A : In Ep6 of The Acolyte, Qimir tells Osha that he has been around for a long time.
Although it was 16 years earlier, is he the hooded figure at the Ascension ceremony on Brendock?
Anti-hero
I realize that this would require some important canon rewriting, but I would love for the stranger to end up being Darth Plagueis. He's cunning, philosophical, a brilliant strategist and so, so powerful in the force already. It feels like a perfect fit in many ways except for the fact that he's not Muun. He could of course be the apprentice to Plagueis, and that works too, but I don't think that would be as satisfying.
Q&A : who do you think Quimirs master is ? And his OTHER apprentice is it Darth Tenebrous
If he is indeed a sith
I don’t think he has a master at all, I think he’s just a solo Sith. Hopefully Tenebrous shows up to slaughter the remaining Jedi and him
@@_gelato.god_4265 and ka adi Mundi seed Tenebrous but keeps it hidden with his quote a hundred years later the Sith have been extinct for over a melinia
Maybe we don’t need to seperate the Knights of Ren and Sith at this point. What’s to say at their inception and height of power they weren’t a Sith offshoot? Qimir wants an acolyte, maybe instead of putting all his eggs in one basket he goes for a band of followers, like a cult leader.
I can imagine early Knights being a bit more devoted to something, and by the time of the OT and ST they have just devolved into a petty biker gang, in a similar vein to the Path of the Open Hand to the Nihil. Maybe part of Qimir’s downfall involves them splitting off from him.
The Knights might not even know Qimir is Sith. We don’t know if Mae knows explicitly that he is a Sith, or if she even cares. Maybe Qimir riles up a band of edgelords with promises of this cool dark side power.
Thought on Qimir being the og knight of ren.
In Aftermath we have "The Acolytes of the Beyond" which ended up being the Knights of Ren if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe who/what Chimer is can be linked to the mythological hybrid creature, the Chimera comprised of different things and it's modern usage of impossible to achieve hopes or dreams...It seems to explain our questions about the what the character is and his objectives. I think it's a really good name for him.
The jedi are a force for good, but when they became a theocratic arm of the government, they were corrupted. They became 'soldiers' as the logical conclusion of that mistake. I hope that the canon NJO explores their true potential outside of the government (the rumored plot plays with this). The idealized Jedi, in my mind, were always closer to the Tales of the Jedi comics or some portrayals in Visions. The Jedi are best when they are more solitary, and not sanctioned by the galactic government.
6:30 Jedi Academy finals week is probably held together by dozens of cups of Caf. I wonder how Jedi would handle the jitters?
Its not complicated. Nobody is making the Jedis bad. Good guys do bad things. Thats the point. Yes, the Jedi are portrayed to be flawed. We knew this from the beginning. This isnt new. I dont get how any Star Wars fan could fail to understand this. Unless you dont actually watch and are only listening to those with an agenda.