I never understood this "moral dilemma". Clearly the choice is to not pull the lever at all. That way you only have to shoot one person instead of five people.
It's not really a dilemma it's a thought experiment to see how u personally react to determine what normative ethical theories u align with, ur normally given the basic deontological choice of killing 1 over 5 but u could be a psycho and kill all to ensure equal suffering or just stand watch and learn
if you flip the switch, you can shoot 5 people instead, and shooting people is fun, you could even stab one for variety, but the one guy can only be shot or stabbed, not both, if you try both the second will just be done to a corpse, which is nowhere near as fun
@@jibais38 see now I found out simply by being overly sadistic and laughing at their reactions "why do you keep flipping the switch?! I don't even care if i die I'll just be happy if you make a decision and stick with it" 😂
It's kinda a missed opportunity for a hidden objective to subvert the dilemma with creative ways to save everyone instead of going with the contrived problem. Shooting the wheels/axles to get to to stop, jamming the lever in a central position to derail it. Hitting it with Knivey causing it to spontaneously self destruct. The situation would be funnier showing all the ways it could be solved without falling into the contrivance of the trolley problem.
Yeah in the original metaphor, it being fast is kind of the point. You have to react quickly between two unfavorable options. But in the game, that would be lame cause we need time to explore the HILARIOUS dialogue jajaja
Alternative possibility: Flip the switch, stab the one guy before the trolley kills him, then stab the witnessess. This comment is brought to you by the Knifey gang
@@artisticcannibalism1350 And a perfectly good opportunity for cannibalism. And, speaking as a skellington, the opportunity to feast on their bone-equivalents.
@@davidgallardo4357 aside from the perfectly reasonable and sane suggestions of the other replies, knives are rather infamous for their uncanny ability and propensity for cutting ropes in half. Many a rope has been viciously slain at the non-existing hands of these unholy stabby fiends.
They did an amazing job at explaining the problem. Even with the whole 'by acting, you are now responsible, when previously, no one would have been.' If only they added the 'fat man' dilemma.
My gameplay is usually boringly vanilla, as I tend to play my game protagonists as I would behave myself. But, with dark-humored games like this, I like to see how much developers have anticipated. My first impulse here would've been to let the trolley proceed unhindered, then attempt to shoot the sole survivor.
There should be a secret option where you switch it back before the rear wheels of the trolley reach the fork in the tracks and the rear wheels take the other path thereby derailing the trolley and saving everyone....Or it could backfire and somehow causes the trolley to kill everyone. Either way it would have been funny. :D
@@Reiman33 yeah I don't like it either, the moral responsibility of anyone's death is with whoever created this situation, not whoever was forced to participate.
Holy crap, that’s Rusty Venture, the guy who does the Voice of the Don-Bot, another guy from Futurama, and I can’t put my finger on who the rest are unfortunately Edit: Wait, I know that squeaky nasally voice, that’s Tara Strong!
I was just mistakenly looking for Doc Hammer as a credit to that Rusty Venture voice then remembered it was James Urbaniak, and yeah he's right there in the IMDB credits for this
Yeah though I suspect the logic is they didn’t want to invest in a part of the game that’s non-consequential and out of the way. I finished the game and never saw this.
Animation? You're being a bit generous there, that was just a particle effect and they disabled the model. Kind of makes sense though, since it's just an unimportant joke thing.
If you flip it so it would kill the one guy, and then flip it back theres a bit of dialogue where they go "What!? You switched it back??" and are surprised
I think it'd be funny if after the trolley commits to a direction you flip the switch again, the back wheels hit the new turn and launches itself off the tracks onto the switch where you probably are.
Ehhh, no. Yes, unique but i feel at this current state, it peaked. Yes it can be improved, but it won't get any better than this. At least for what the crestors had in mind
the "reload from last checkpoint" really tickled my funny bone. i bet he wouldnt be so snarky if he knew he was a loading screen away from never being snarky again.
Flip the switch so the trolly moves twards the single individual then switch it back once the front wheels are on the point blades so the back wheels try to go the other way derailing the trolly.
the trolley problem is a psychopath's test of the hero; the objectively right answer is to find some way to save everyone but it isn't realistic. both pulls of the lever are the wrong choice, but they're the only options you have and one way or the other will lead to human suffering. the parameters are played with by making suggestions about the type of people on the tracks, which may matter, vs the mathematical proportions, which may also matter, to find the line between good and evil. but the only truth is that whatever decision you make, the consequences will haunt you. so when you get to the trolley, don't fret. use your best judgement and afterwards try to find out why all those people were tied to train tracks.
The choice is easy, really: flip the switch, so that you only have to untie a single person. And with a trolley that slow, that shouldn't be a problem at all! 😜
This morale dilemma is about PTSD, for example it’s why you’ll find this entire comment section joking about a “3rd option”, it’s a self protective mechanism were you can’t entertain an idea of only having two choices no matter how absurd they are. For anyone who was interested where this is coming from.
That's a strange direction to approach it from, but I can see the angle. It's quite true that people refuse to admit they're between a rock and a hard place.
Guy on the right was a dumbass who tied himself to tracks for fun (supposedly), so yeah, he kind of brought this on himself. First guy on the left just seems like an average joe who wants to live, second guy is the genocide guy (deserves to die), third guy says he's a scientist but doesn't mention it if he lives so was probably lying, fourth guy says he'll have sex with you and is willing to keep his word, fifth girl lied about being pregnant but is otherwise no different from 1st and 3rd guys. But note how only the right guy says he tied himself to the tracks on purpose? Which suggests that HE'S the one who actually set this whole thing up, being the last person on the scene. So, if you were after the best moral choice, it would be to flip the lever to kill the one guy, then shoot the genocide guy in the head and free the others.
This game has been probably one of the most original game experiences this year. I own an xbox but I think it shouldve been multiplatform. PS5 has what, god of war 7 and ratchet 7? Gran turismo 7? They need it too.
"Original" is a truly incredible way to describe this game. I mean it. You have lost all credibility with me. This is just the first twenty minutes anyone spends thinking about the Trolley Problem reduced to about two minutes of dialogue with each choice. If originality entered into it you'd be able to do more than just flip the switch.
Kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing when the trolley is moving slow enough that you totally could untie the guy on the right side and sent the trolley that way.
I've always wondered why can't people just untie everyone before the trolley comes? I wish they could of let you do it in this game though, it would of been funny if you could just untie them considering they made the trolley slow af 😂
This dilemma is actually a used scenario for social experiments. Social experiments are very common within the gaming industry believe it or not but I don't understand how it can be actual data if most will think it doesn't matter since it's a video game lol
I used to think that the right answer was to sacrifice the few to save the many, but after I realized how often this line is used to justify atrocities that are committed by our government, I don't know what the best solution is anymore.
so like if you're not responsible for people dying if you don't pull the lever, then like you aren't responsible for the people being tied to the tracks, and you aren't responsible for any deaths no matter what you choose. You aren't responsible for the situation, and you can only deal with that as best you can.
I just want to point out that within the time of them talking to you you could have untied that one guy and switched to trolley to his side, killing nobody
I barely can have an decent discussion with some people, imagine been on the verge of death and be so polite about why you should live, real life scenario would be a nightmare of people yelling and crying.
fun fact. the trolley problem was never about 1 life vs 5. it was about how different actions effect your moral compass even if the outcome is the same. for instance most people would probably pull the lever to save more lives. the trolley was gonna kill SOMEONE on the track anyway, so why not save more lives. however if the choice was between letting 5 people die, or shoving a random fat guy who was just passing by onto the railway to stop the trolley from killing the other 5 people, which one would you choose? in the end pulling the lever, and shoving the fat guy, have the exact same outcome, (-1) life, but they both effect your moral compass differently because one of them is a direct murder, and the other is indirect. its a very interesting moral conundrum.
I've heard this put another way. You're on a bridge watching a trolly hurtling towards 5 on a track. They will all die. Next to you on the bridge is a very fat man leaning over. If you push him over, his large body will stop the train killing him but sparring the five. Most people would switch the tracks but not push the man. It's interesting
IMO, even ignoring the more direct role you'd be playing, you're the one taking the guys autonomy by shoving him onto the tracks, but when they're tied up to track their autonomy has already been taken. So it really is a drastically different situation even if it doesn't seem like it on the surface. It's also just a hard hypothetical to parse as the idea that this one guy will for certain stop the train but the next person won't doesn't really figure, even if we say it does in the hypothetical.
@@jzatchbell not choosing is also a choice though. and you have to live with it your entire life. sure you also have to live with the fact you killed someone. but now there are 5 families out there that are happier because of you. however thats not the point of the exercise. the point is to identify where your moral compass lies, and determine your own mental fortitude. like i said before, can you not live with the fact someone died because of your own action/inaction. or are you a heartless monster that felt nothing. personally there is only 1 scenario where i wouldnt pull the lever, and thats if one of my loved ones was tied to the other track. would i be able to live with the fact someone died because of me? maybe, maybe not. but the fact is someone has probably already died indirectly because of me, and i just dont know it yet. i love this moral dilemma.
@@Subscriber9192 I think the only answer from my side is you always try to save them all and by doing that you select the best chance of doing that which is to flip the switch and attempt to rescue the one person. If they were a friend or family member, I think the answer there is I wouldnt stop trying to rescue them even if it meant I would die too. (Easier to say than do though haha!)
If you could sacrifice one person to save five by pulling a simple lever, would you do it The answer is yes for most people, but changes significantly when the person they know is someone close to them. If the main characters sister was the single person, he would choose the single person. Or most would, again. It's a good thought experiment for detecting psychopaths. The scenario changes again when you have to become personally involved. If you were to push a single safe person off from a bridge onto the train to stop it, and save five people, would you do it then? Assuming the person has a hundred percent chance to stop it. Many would not, as this involves direct confrontation, which most do not want. Psychopaths find the decision child's play. Boom push the person watch them die save the five. It displays how all types of person may have a useful purposes in the world, even those who lack empathy. To a commander, such logic cold decision making could be advantageous.
I never understood this "moral dilemma". Clearly the choice is to not pull the lever at all. That way you only have to shoot one person instead of five people.
It's not really a dilemma it's a thought experiment to see how u personally react to determine what normative ethical theories u align with, ur normally given the basic deontological choice of killing 1 over 5 but u could be a psycho and kill all to ensure equal suffering or just stand watch and learn
if you flip the switch, you can shoot 5 people instead, and shooting people is fun, you could even stab one for variety, but the one guy can only be shot or stabbed, not both, if you try both the second will just be done to a corpse, which is nowhere near as fun
how come you stopped uploading
@@marcokonst4144 And when in life does anything like this ever happen?
@@DP-ot6zf car A.I. when detecting a crash; it’s a real conundrum.
Right now they’re programmed to hit the people least likely to sue.
They start freaking out if you flip the switch back and forth in a really funny way
I was hoping to be able to block the trolley by switching it after the first wheels get off the turn but unfortunately you can't.
@@jibais38 see now I found out simply by being overly sadistic and laughing at their reactions "why do you keep flipping the switch?! I don't even care if i die I'll just be happy if you make a decision and stick with it" 😂
They should have the train come all the way around and run over either four or the one regardless of your choice
@@mrglass7133 That would be hilarious, if the track was just on a loop LOL
@@mrglass7133 or reversed and went down the other track
Imagine if you could reverse the trolley and run over the opposite group as well--just as like a rogue decision lol
switch tracks in-between front and rear wheels. Multi-track drifting baby.
@@Johnnybravo40 I was just about to suggest that too.
I have to wonder, given the other Easter eggs if there's a way to stop the trolley entirely, or get a to back up to get the other group.
all parties will die eventually so I'll just expedite the process
-murderer on the trolley problem
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Worlds slowest trolley, there was plenty of time to just free the one guy after switching the tracks.
😂
Heck, there was enough time to free the 8 of them before the train killed them.
@@yaderx1 if you mean the unborn twins, yeah, she lied about them, so only 6
I think there was even enough time to put the one guy with the others and then have all six of them die instead.
It's kinda a missed opportunity for a hidden objective to subvert the dilemma with creative ways to save everyone instead of going with the contrived problem. Shooting the wheels/axles to get to to stop, jamming the lever in a central position to derail it. Hitting it with Knivey causing it to spontaneously self destruct. The situation would be funnier showing all the ways it could be solved without falling into the contrivance of the trolley problem.
Clearly the correct awnser is to get on the trolling and perform a spin move so that all of them die. You can't be wrong if you pick both awnsers
dear god, multi-track drifting!
@@user-tf5lg7fc9s DEJAVU...
@@user-tf5lg7fc9s Seriously that should have been a thing. Also give an achievement a la: "So you like Tofu, eh?" or something.
@@SK-mi5qv
Achievement Unlocked: No Witnesses
I love riding the trolling
The slow trolley was a great move, I always picture it moving fast
Yeah in the original metaphor, it being fast is kind of the point. You have to react quickly between two unfavorable options. But in the game, that would be lame cause we need time to explore the HILARIOUS dialogue jajaja
Is it possible to flip the lever and cut the ropes on the one guy, and also shoot the purple guy to stop him from doing more genocides?
Nope.
Nope, you gotta pick.
@@UA-camIsRetarded689 well can you shoot the genocide guy anyways?
@@tristangabales549 Unfortunately you can't shoot everyone in this game, but you can shoot some really annoying people.
Alternative possibility: Flip the switch, stab the one guy before the trolley kills him, then stab the witnessess.
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The protagonist literally has a knife
And?
And they wasted a perfectly good opportunity for stabbing
@@artisticcannibalism1350 And a perfectly good opportunity for cannibalism. And, speaking as a skellington, the opportunity to feast on their bone-equivalents.
@@davidgallardo4357 aside from the perfectly reasonable and sane suggestions of the other replies, knives are rather infamous for their uncanny ability and propensity for cutting ropes in half. Many a rope has been viciously slain at the non-existing hands of these unholy stabby fiends.
@@SymbolsWriter that knife is half rope and seems to only want to stab, never cut.
Maybe the knife refuses to cut ropes haha.
They did an amazing job at explaining the problem. Even with the whole 'by acting, you are now responsible, when previously, no one would have been.' If only they added the 'fat man' dilemma.
My gameplay is usually boringly vanilla, as I tend to play my game protagonists as I would behave myself. But, with dark-humored games like this, I like to see how much developers have anticipated. My first impulse here would've been to let the trolley proceed unhindered, then attempt to shoot the sole survivor.
No way you get to save Dr. Venture in this game
Or you get to kill Rusty. Oh a Monarch can dream...
You can kill him later anyway lol
There should be a secret option where you switch it back before the rear wheels of the trolley reach the fork in the tracks and the rear wheels take the other path thereby derailing the trolley and saving everyone....Or it could backfire and somehow causes the trolley to kill everyone. Either way it would have been funny. :D
Multi-track drifting
@@Reiman33 yeah I don't like it either, the moral responsibility of anyone's death is with whoever created this situation, not whoever was forced to participate.
Holy crap, that’s Rusty Venture, the guy who does the Voice of the Don-Bot, another guy from Futurama, and I can’t put my finger on who the rest are unfortunately
Edit: Wait, I know that squeaky nasally voice, that’s Tara Strong!
I was just mistakenly looking for Doc Hammer as a credit to that Rusty Venture voice then remembered it was James Urbaniak, and yeah he's right there in the IMDB credits for this
The scientist is Rich Fulcher who has been in a lot of bit parts on Adult Swim and Cartoon Network, he's also the shopkeeper.
@@chachopaul695 I’m too poor to own the game
@@shadowsonicsilver6 do you at least have a decent graphics card or console?
Joel haver is one of the voice actors for the game, he also runs a UA-cam channel where he and his friends upload a lot
jeez, that animation of them dying is horrendous.
Yeah though I suspect the logic is they didn’t want to invest in a part of the game that’s non-consequential and out of the way.
I finished the game and never saw this.
Animation? You're being a bit generous there, that was just a particle effect and they disabled the model. Kind of makes sense though, since it's just an unimportant joke thing.
@@Mirthful_Midori at least time that correctly ffs, the train barely touches them when they explode
say you're a sociopath without saying you're a sociopath
@@IntegrityGames isn't that already a given if you play the game?
what about the third option where yousa let the trolly roll over 5 and then shoot the last one?
Why shoot one of them if you can shoot all of them?
Lol what a trash meme account.
@@Eddie276 how rude!
@@JarJarStudiosPlus Just shoot the one who committed all the genocides
@@DlSappeared save ammo but then again gatlians have infinite ammo anyway
If you flip it so it would kill the one guy, and then flip it back theres a bit of dialogue where they go "What!? You switched it back??" and are surprised
Did I just hear Rusty Venture? Ok James Urbaniak... this game just keeps looking better. Why haven't I bought this yet?
It's on Gamepass pal
I think it'd be funny if after the trolley commits to a direction you flip the switch again, the back wheels hit the new turn and launches itself off the tracks onto the switch where you probably are.
Given how slow it was going I would guess it would either just stop moving entirely due to the opposing angles or would derail and flip over. :P
Don't you dare look away YOU WATCH ME DIE LIKE A F****** MAN 😂😂😂 I seriously almost pissed myself when I seen that. It never gets old
It's a reference to a scene from one of the Saw sequels, don't remember which. Line is taken verbatim.
I like this version better
But thanks for that
I kept switching it back and forth just to hear them freak out about it every time
only reason id flip the switch is cus that genocide guy is honest about himself and he owns it
I would've tried dying to the trolley first before a decision was made. it was fairly slow, maybe my corpse would stop it
It bothered me that they didn’t just allow us to use the knife we have for melee combat on that one guy’s ropes lol.
Hey James Urbaniak! Thats a pleasant surprise to hear him voice something.
I hope James Urbaniak has more characters in this game. I really need to get it for the sake of how many fantastic voice actors were brought on
I like the ending where you chose to save Dr. Venture.
You know those Tokyo Drift or Michael from the Good Place's knife solution look really good right now
Genocide guy is voiced by James Urbaniak a ka Dr. 0 from Fallout New Vegas or Doc Venture from the Venture Bros.
From what I've seen of this game is that it wouldn't be that much fun to actually play but its entertaining to watch clips.
It is fun. Basically Rick and Morty doom.
Nah the gameplay is fun jus gotta up the difficulty normal mode is very easy
They should of made it so you could have switched the tracks halfway through the trolley car so the car splits, rolls and than kills all of them 😂😂😂
true!
U too tried multi track drifting
This game is one of a kind. If they had another year it could have been in contention for best game.
It was dumb
it’s a fun and interesting game but a game type like this won’t ever win a goty
Ehhh, no. Yes, unique but i feel at this current state, it peaked. Yes it can be improved, but it won't get any better than this. At least for what the crestors had in mind
@@excitedmilk6046 High horse type vibes right here. "Stroke my mustache" type vibes.
NEEEDS MORE PICKLE RICK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
He didnt do it for the praise, he did it for all your pesos. This is why saving the 5 is the morally correct choice. The pink guy delivers.
freaky alien sex is the best motivation
the "reload from last checkpoint" really tickled my funny bone. i bet he wouldnt be so snarky if he knew he was a loading screen away from never being snarky again.
There’s a whole trolley problem game that’s absolutely soul melting
Flip the switch so the trolly moves twards the single individual then switch it back once the front wheels are on the point blades so the back wheels try to go the other way derailing the trolly.
the trolley problem is a psychopath's test of the hero; the objectively right answer is to find some way to save everyone but it isn't realistic. both pulls of the lever are the wrong choice, but they're the only options you have and one way or the other will lead to human suffering. the parameters are played with by making suggestions about the type of people on the tracks, which may matter, vs the mathematical proportions, which may also matter, to find the line between good and evil. but the only truth is that whatever decision you make, the consequences will haunt you. so when you get to the trolley, don't fret. use your best judgement and afterwards try to find out why all those people were tied to train tracks.
The choice is easy, really: flip the switch, so that you only have to untie a single person. And with a trolley that slow, that shouldn't be a problem at all! 😜
(picks the one dude)
"Where are my pesos dude?!"
I cannot for the life of me find the last chest in this area and the inner city area past the doors. Some chests in this game are really well hidden.
They are easy
@@951pyro7 thanks for the helpful comment. I found them about a week ago anyway
"You watch me die"
LUL
There's probly more diolage if you flip the lever back and forth as they plead.
In this situation you turn around, shove your fingers in your ears while saying lalalalalala as you walk away.
Thereby actively committing four murders ;)
This morale dilemma is about PTSD, for example it’s why you’ll find this entire comment section joking about a “3rd option”, it’s a self protective mechanism were you can’t entertain an idea of only having two choices no matter how absurd they are. For anyone who was interested where this is coming from.
That's a strange direction to approach it from, but I can see the angle. It's quite true that people refuse to admit they're between a rock and a hard place.
In Fallout, one would simply take out the trolley with a missile launcher... 😁
In fallout the trolley wheels would have rusted and locked while radroaches nest in the cabin.
@@BTG514 Ghouls would also spawn and feast on the hapless victims tied to the tracks...
This brings to mind a bunch of stuff I forgot in an ethics class
"There're five of you, fight back!!"
One of the people was definitely voiced by Doc Venture
Trouble with the trolley,eh? LOL
Solution: Tokyo Drift
**childhood trauma flashbacks**
This moral dilemma completely ignores that inaction IS an action.
Well... It doesn't ignore it. In fact, that's one of the main questions it stipulates.
James Urbaniak. Neat. This game just keeps getting better. Too bad I gotta wait for if they release it on PS5.
Dr.Venture would end up in that situation, knew I recognized him.
You can also break it by flipping it back and forth and the trolly will just ghost through the guy without actually harming him.
This is pretty genius as a bit in a game
They were all pretty much bad people so Might as well save the guy who tied himself to the track
Guy on the right was a dumbass who tied himself to tracks for fun (supposedly), so yeah, he kind of brought this on himself. First guy on the left just seems like an average joe who wants to live, second guy is the genocide guy (deserves to die), third guy says he's a scientist but doesn't mention it if he lives so was probably lying, fourth guy says he'll have sex with you and is willing to keep his word, fifth girl lied about being pregnant but is otherwise no different from 1st and 3rd guys. But note how only the right guy says he tied himself to the tracks on purpose? Which suggests that HE'S the one who actually set this whole thing up, being the last person on the scene.
So, if you were after the best moral choice, it would be to flip the lever to kill the one guy, then shoot the genocide guy in the head and free the others.
Why would I leave five witnesses?
In this time you could've pulled all six of them off the tracks
The true dilemma is finding a way for the train to somehow ride down both tracks and stand safely to the side.
This game has been probably one of the most original game experiences this year. I own an xbox but I think it shouldve been multiplatform. PS5 has what, god of war 7 and ratchet 7? Gran turismo 7? They need it too.
"Original" is a truly incredible way to describe this game. I mean it. You have lost all credibility with me. This is just the first twenty minutes anyone spends thinking about the Trolley Problem reduced to about two minutes of dialogue with each choice. If originality entered into it you'd be able to do more than just flip the switch.
I would have let Knifey decide
You can pull it multiple times to get ur switch again and again and you get a bunch of different dialog
That's what I did, couldn't help myself lol, it's pretty funny
Kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing when the trolley is moving slow enough that you totally could untie the guy on the right side and sent the trolley that way.
I always love hearing urbaniak in the real world
They got the voice actor of Dr Venture from Venture Bros to do one of his famous lines which crazy to see
I've always wondered why can't people just untie everyone before the trolley comes? I wish they could of let you do it in this game though, it would of been funny if you could just untie them considering they made the trolley slow af 😂
Rusty venture!
You know, he said all his pesos and yet he gives you nothing. I expected a chest, I didn't do nothing for nothing!
This dilemma is actually a used scenario for social experiments. Social experiments are very common within the gaming industry believe it or not but I don't understand how it can be actual data if most will think it doesn't matter since it's a video game lol
Haha goddamn doctor venture
Wow, the trolly problem in a game, fucking genius and hilarious
I used to think that the right answer was to sacrifice the few to save the many, but after I realized how often this line is used to justify atrocities that are committed by our government, I don't know what the best solution is anymore.
Ayeee, I recognize Nolan North's voice!
When i got to this i tried to just sacrifice myself by standing in front of the trolley... welp, five people died but at least no genocide xD
Good ending: you're crashing a train
The one guy on the right volunteered to be on the track.
I was so disappointed that there wasn’t a multitrack drifting option
4:04 I know what I have to do but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it
I like how the trolley lightly touches them and they just explode into black goo
you could have just untied the guy given how long the trolley took
homie said he would give you all his pesos if you let him live... when does he pay up?
Plot Twist: He was broke!
That first guy sounds like the same guy who voices Rusty Venture from The Venture Bros.
Does the first guy sound a lot like rusty venture
I THINK IT IS
Was the Act ending where the guy says watch me like a man a saw shotgun spinner reference, because fucks thats so sick!
so like if you're not responsible for people dying if you don't pull the lever, then like you aren't responsible for the people being tied to the tracks, and you aren't responsible for any deaths no matter what you choose. You aren't responsible for the situation, and you can only deal with that as best you can.
I just want to point out that within the time of them talking to you you could have untied that one guy and switched to trolley to his side, killing nobody
I like the saw 6 reference when you kill the one guy
I barely can have an decent discussion with some people, imagine been on the verge of death and be so polite about why you should live, real life scenario would be a nightmare of people yelling and crying.
fun fact. the trolley problem was never about 1 life vs 5. it was about how different actions effect your moral compass even if the outcome is the same. for instance most people would probably pull the lever to save more lives. the trolley was gonna kill SOMEONE on the track anyway, so why not save more lives. however if the choice was between letting 5 people die, or shoving a random fat guy who was just passing by onto the railway to stop the trolley from killing the other 5 people, which one would you choose? in the end pulling the lever, and shoving the fat guy, have the exact same outcome, (-1) life, but they both effect your moral compass differently because one of them is a direct murder, and the other is indirect. its a very interesting moral conundrum.
I've heard this put another way. You're on a bridge watching a trolly hurtling towards 5 on a track. They will all die. Next to you on the bridge is a very fat man leaning over. If you push him over, his large body will stop the train killing him but sparring the five.
Most people would switch the tracks but not push the man. It's interesting
IMO, even ignoring the more direct role you'd be playing, you're the one taking the guys autonomy by shoving him onto the tracks, but when they're tied up to track their autonomy has already been taken. So it really is a drastically different situation even if it doesn't seem like it on the surface.
It's also just a hard hypothetical to parse as the idea that this one guy will for certain stop the train but the next person won't doesn't really figure, even if we say it does in the hypothetical.
this scenario can be read in the Prey (2017) game. highly recommended game btw. at least 7 times better than High on Life.
@@jzatchbell not choosing is also a choice though. and you have to live with it your entire life. sure you also have to live with the fact you killed someone. but now there are 5 families out there that are happier because of you. however thats not the point of the exercise. the point is to identify where your moral compass lies, and determine your own mental fortitude. like i said before, can you not live with the fact someone died because of your own action/inaction. or are you a heartless monster that felt nothing. personally there is only 1 scenario where i wouldnt pull the lever, and thats if one of my loved ones was tied to the other track. would i be able to live with the fact someone died because of me? maybe, maybe not. but the fact is someone has probably already died indirectly because of me, and i just dont know it yet. i love this moral dilemma.
@@jzatchbell what if they're not tied? Let's say they're all wearing ear defenders and facing the other way
@@Subscriber9192 I think the only answer from my side is you always try to save them all and by doing that you select the best chance of doing that which is to flip the switch and attempt to rescue the one person. If they were a friend or family member, I think the answer there is I wouldnt stop trying to rescue them even if it meant I would die too. (Easier to say than do though haha!)
When I saw this my knee jerk reaction was “just kill them all then you won’t have to choose who lives”
4:05
Ok, that one REALLY want to live
If you could sacrifice one person to save five by pulling a simple lever, would you do it
The answer is yes for most people, but changes significantly when the person they know is someone close to them.
If the main characters sister was the single person, he would choose the single person.
Or most would, again.
It's a good thought experiment for detecting psychopaths.
The scenario changes again when you have to become personally involved.
If you were to push a single safe person off from a bridge onto the train to stop it, and save five people, would you do it then? Assuming the person has a hundred percent chance to stop it.
Many would not, as this involves direct confrontation, which most do not want.
Psychopaths find the decision child's play. Boom push the person watch them die save the five.
It displays how all types of person may have a useful purposes in the world, even those who lack empathy. To a commander, such logic cold decision making could be advantageous.
"...but I AM!"
"I say we put it to a vote. Yay democracy".
The most logical thing would be to untied them before the trolley get to them
How did I miss this ?
It’s Trial By Trolley. The card game.
Great, now I wanna see what happens if you constantly flip the switch throughout their conversation XD
God damn how did I miss that during my play through? I literally went to that area and everything
It's a warp disk u buy from the food stand guy
@@oppideez2158 oh which one
@@stealthpilot2861 is called trolly tracks
4:02 the Google Assistant said 'please don't talk to me in that way' from the phone on my desk.
Red Letter Media... Trial By Trolley... I need to play this game.