I believe there's a line of dialogue where Sauron will say "You lost the Ranger. That was a mistake" Like even the big bad evil guy knows Celebrimbor leaving Talion was a bad move.
Bad move for Celebrimbor+Eltariel, but better for Middle Earth. Like Shelob reveals to Talion, had it been him there Sauron would have fallen but Celembrimbor would have taken his place and be *worse*
And then after he disarmed himself and walked into the distance, he suddenly hears: *"RANGER!!! NEVER THOUGHT YOU'D SEE ME AGAIN EH?! YOU CAN'T GET RID OF AN URUK THAT EASILY!"* Roll credits.
in my case it would just be quiet maniacal laugh cause of Krakhorn The Maniac motherfucker killed me 5 times, after the fourth he fought the overlord of a fortress and BECAME AN OVERLORD HIMSELF he doesnt have ANY weaknesses except 3 hints he has alot of traits and immunities and other shit i dont remember when i was about to take the fortress i had alot of spies planted as warchiefs, and then i thought "come on beating krakhorn shouldnt be too hard now." after he killed me again i got so mad that i assigned 4 bodyguard spies to him
Thats what probably happened in my game with Zuka the inmortal, who got stabbed, decapitated, stabbed again, cut in half and then decapitated again, until he finally said enough is enough, but i still miss him
so basically tallion lost everyone he knew, got played in a desperate quest to save the world, got betrayed by his two only friends, one to merge with sauron, one to betray him again. It actually hurts to buy the DLC just to realise it was to replay the betrayal. from this point of view, the nazgul really were his truest brothers
@@thecommentguy9380 He even waited for Talion to finish everything he had to before pulling the plug. Dude literally kept his spot open for 60 whole years, and after getting their collective asses kicked on more than one occasion.
0:36 “In the body of Elf or Man,you are unchanged Celebrimbor” hits hard when you realise that Celebrimbor made the exact same mistakes that resulted in his demise, his main one being betraying Talion, as stated by Sauron in one of his lines of dialogue “You lost the ranger,that was a mistake”
@@JeremyPuaso because Talion and Celebrimbor connection made them more stronger than Sauron before Talion took isildur’s ring and battled the witch king, Shelob told Talion that if he would have still been celebrimbor’s vessel and battled Sauron the outcome would have been completely different. Talion would be the new bearer of the new ring leading celebrimbor’s army to conquer middle earth and just like how Sauron absorbed celebrimbor and became the eye of Sauron instead celebrimbor would absorb Sauron because the blue eye on bara dur
@@JeremyPuaso Probably the Curse of Mandos. The fates of elves (like Eltariel and Celebrimbor) were already written, while Talion was human, and thus in the hands of Eru and beyond the control of the Valar. Sauron was an architect of fate during the First Age.
Nice to see the bad guys learning from past experiences, isn't it? Wouldn't have happened if Celebrimbor stayed merged with Talion though, that ranger would've just dropped the hammer on Sauron's ass.
Well he kind of did, in the end what Celebrimbor did really didnt change anything. While one may argue he keep Sauron busy, it wasn't what he had planned and to be fair he let Talion die for nothing.
I love how calebrimbor called talion a vessel even tho talion was more like the perfect host physically. Near top of class ranger with combat techniques similar to celebrimbors. If anything the girl was a vessel, talion was a host
@@jackdubs25not even close. Talion was a peerless human warrior, but compared to a master warrior and craftsman who lived for literal millennia Talion doesn’t have a chance. The only reason he was capable of performing the feats he could in game is because of the ring(s) of power he had and celebrimbors spirit possessing him. In game canon, celebrimbor is capable of holding sauron in a stalemate, there is no way he and talion are even remotely on the same level. Eltarial vs Talion is a different matter, but celebrimbor is leagues beyond either of them
Phillip Helmut at the end of the actual ending cinematic He’s walking into I think heaven, while he’s walking away if you look at his sons sword a rose that he gave his wife in the first game sprouts next to the sword. He did reunite with his family.
@@adzxyz1950 As I understand it, upon death the souls of elves, dwarves and men are summoned to the Halls of Mandos, which is located in the land of the "gods", Valinor. Elves get to be reincarnated back into the world after they have spent enough time in the halls to atone for their sins (only a single elf has never been allowed to reincarnate), but may choose to stay in the halls if they wish. Dwarves and men wait in the halls until the end of the world (though I'm not sure whether or not Men actually stay there for that long, because I recall Tolkien also saying that they pass through the Halls to their final reward after some time spent there). So dwarves are not reincarnated, but will help rebuild the world after the final battle against Melkor (basically Satan). Men's fate is unknown, but the creator of the world, Iluvatar, has a special gift in store for them, which is their prize for living short, mortal lives. So we do know about the human afterlife. We can see Talion wake up on Valinor itself, instead of the Halls of Mandos, which would actually mean he isn't reunited with his family, not before he dies of old age and goes to the Halls. It is incredibly rare for anyone but the elves and "gods" to be allowed to roam Valinor, but Talion was given this reward for his struggle, in the same way Frodo was. Keep in mind that the game doesn't really follow the lore all that faithfully. Talion being a Nazgûl is impossible, for example
Whenever I see a comment like that I remember that one episode of Doctor who where Jack says "almost anything" when talking about what won't be to penetrate the tardis shield and the doctor responds with "thanks but I wasn't going to tell them that" I'm assuming these two traitors don't know who Morogth is Edit: alright I get it I don't know much about lord of the rings lore
@@taekinuru2 I wouldn't say that because after sauron was defeated by frodo morgoth and sauron both returned one last time to take middle Earth but failed
How stupid did Celebrimor think that he could dominate a maiar, let alone Sauron? And he couldnt even learn from his mistake to protect his ring from falling in the last time he fought Sauron.
This was Sauron without the one ring, with Celebrimbor possessing both the Light of Galadriel and a Ring of Power containing his will and essence. It all made sense as well, Celebrimbor was touched by Sauron's shadow, he is a wight with a dark desire to dominate the living. Not seeking to destroy Sauron, but instead to usurp him. In the first game, the Black Hand of Sauron's ritual was intended to dominate Celebrimbor and merge his might with the weakened spirit of Sauron. This time around, Celebrimbor intended to be the one holding the reins. It was a nice detail that Sauron learned an important lesson from Isildur. :>
his will and essence is pretty pathetic vs that of a Maiar, he cant even beat Galadriel who was an elf. This whole enhanced Celebrimbor makes no sense, no way he can match Sauron in this state. It'd be more believable if he squeezed in a couple more souls in the ring or somethin
@@tunapriest9392 Those Balrog-killers died taking out the balrogs. Meanwhile, Sauron has a pretty decent track record against elf-lords, defeating Finrod in a spell-duel, single-handedly overthrowing the elven garrison stationed at Minas Tirith, personally killing Celebrimbor, and slaying Gil-galad while taking on the latter and Elendil on Orodruin.
I love how this game's canon had its own inserted explanation for the Eye of Sauron twitching, makes the universe a bit richer, even if it's game-only thing.
in case some didn't know. Morgoth was dead (trapped in the void) at the time. so Mairon (Sauron) was without master. at that Point he became middle-earths Dark lord. + you cant really serve someone who is dead or in this case, trapped in the void.
Funny, nothing really looks like in the movies, but the way it ends (the ring melts, sauron's tower falls, and even the nazgul being hit by burning rocks) looks exactly like in return of the king.
Etharels only goal was to kill sauron she did what she had to do in her mind celebrimbor lost all his power and family to sauron he wanted to do whatever it took to get it back you can blame him but etharel thought she was doing the right thing at the time
@@bloodangel19 Celembrimbor can not dominate sauron with or without talion no matter what. Sauron (Mairon) is a Maiar and Morgoth is the one who can manipulate him in any was. With the exception of course of other Valar Beings maybe but still not quite. Celembrimbor thinking he can dominate sauron even at a state where he is at his weakest isn't a very clever decision especially since it is said that even after the banishment of morgoth his shadow and corruption still stayed in Arda. And Talion would SURELY object to Celembrimbor's plan of domination and he would try to banish Sauron given the chance if anything. The only possible way to defeat sauron is to destroy the ring since inside it he has poored " his cruelty,his malice and his will to dominate all life" Which means that if the ring is not destroyed there is absolutely nothing in the world that can dominate Sauron without dominating his ring first which would be a bad choice since it's pretty much cursed and getting it will just result in Sauron retrieving it. So it's a dead end. But Celembrimbor's greed and lust for power made him blind to that
@@senseithomes Shelob said he would have won. This game has it's own canon separte from the books, so it is posible in the game universe, it's been stated outright, there is no point in arguing
By a story standpoint, the grind makes sense. Talion is basically taking a last stand against Sauron’s forces, trying to hold back the tide for DECADES according to the end. But though he fought valiantly, he succumbed in the end.
The grind could've been less heavy and it still would've achieved the narrative effect. The problem is that the grind was a blatant way on Warner Bros.'s part to tempt people into paying the microtransactions.
Chris Chen Or it was just a way for people to experience more of the Nemesis System and the awesome gameplay but everyone is to busy playing devil's advocate.
Az Az Just got my first Legendary Captain within a few hours of playing. Saving him until I can brand him, but finding Legendary Uruks isn’t as hard as people think.
Sigh, the grind was going to be there with or without lootboxes ever being in the game. Because upgrading Fortresses, getting good followers, helping them train in pits WOULD HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN FUCKING TIME! DID ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY SPEND MORE THAN 20 HOURS IN THE FIRST GAME!!!??? DID YOU ACTUALLY FUCKING THINK ABOUT THING? MY GOD DAMN GOD UGH!
Or, you know, just give us a well-crafted story mission that explains it. But yeah, repeating grind for hours or spend fifty bucks to skip it is just as good.
I mean it's kinda hard to serve someone who is trapped in the void. Plus sauron never sought to bring his former master back even though he respected him, but he never agreed with the way morgoth ruled and wanted nothing but to kill and eradicate everything.
@@mihaimercenarul7467Sauron also secretly hated Morgoth’s guts and was just waiting for the best moment to betray him and take over his Army. He just didn’t do it during the First Age cuz of the as he put it dumb brainless Idiots who would without a doubt go after him if he betrayed their beloved Morgoth
So nobody is disturbed by the fact that this whole ring history is narrated by the immortal spider that tried to eat the ring bearer that managed to destroy the ring?
Yup after witnessing what Celebrimbor did.... I wished Sauron would have just killed Eltariel also. Like wth was Celebrimbor thinking? That he had a chance with Eltariel? P-a-t-h-e-t-i-c.
Valthirian Sunstrider He doesn’t have his ring of power so technically no. Celebrimbor and Eltariel has an equivalent ring of power and light of Galadriel(whatever the fuck that is. It apparently it’s OP). I can see how he was beatable. However, Shelob Saw that Talion beat him with only the ring. I think that alone just goes to show how capable Talion is and how Strong Sauron is. Imagine if Sauron had the ring, it wouldn’t even be close. God Talion was such a simple character but he was really well done.
I like the little touch that they decided the one Nazgul that got smacked by a lava rock at the end of Return of the King was Talion. it has that "look my fanfic character was in memorable bit" vibes. I choose to believe that this entire game series came about from the lead writers watching Return of the King in a drunken Stupor and deciding they were gonna make a game about that one Nazgul who got smacked at the end
There are just random ridiculous parts of this game lmao. I dont even mind Talion as a nazgul but why does he look like a pale edgy guy wearing a hood.
Thank god someone with a similar mindset. It’s my headcannon that he was just one of those Nazgûl during the movies and died at the black gate where it all started. Kinda thematic.
Yeah I could buy that Shelob wanted Sauron gone because he took her home, her species were around since the First Age and he's basically a pushy foreign power, but why is she so happy about 'light in mordor', she's a creature of darkness.
Not at this point in time anymore, something you can make out by Sauron saying that "there is no life in the void, only death" meaning that he does not care if Morgoth was banished to the void or is truly dead it´s the same to him either way.
Tolkien wrote that Sauron “was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself.” As he grew more and more evil as the years went by, he wanted to underline his evolution by taking the name of the ultimate Dark entity in history, the spirit who served nobody but himself.
When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth's representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned''Letter 183; Letters of Tolkien
At least the end plot makes sense for the Trilogy story. Fought the Dark Lord, eventually succumbing to his will. Then freed after the One Ring's destruction. That right there is basically his journey to the White Shores.
I thought ring bearers get a free ticket to the white shores. Frodo and Bilbo both got a free seat on the last boat for this reason if I remember rightly. Has been a while. If this is the case than technically Talion would also be eligible
@@WNShadow814 Don't forget in the Book Lord of the Rings Sam also carried the ring for Frodo as they traveled to Mount Doom. That is why Sam got to go to Valinor. Sam may have traveled with Lord Celeborn together.
This is definitely one of the best games I’ve ever played and even though Tallion turns evil and dies he finds his peace and it’s satisfying also the music is iconic
Celebrimbor should've stuck with Talion. He wouldn't have fallen for such a scrub move. It's like Shelob said. If Talion fought Sauron then Celebrimbor would've won.
That's likely because rather than try something as ludicrous as BRANDING Sauron, Talion would've just whacked his head off with that handy dandy sword of his, no mucking around with 'weakening' him or putting his hand on his face to try and turn him into a minion. Also that look on Eltariel's face as she stumbles back, clutching her bleeding hand? I'm pretty sure that is the facial expression for "oh shit I really fucked up didn't I?"
That's because Talion still has some morals and is committed to destroying Sauron, not dominating him. He wouldn't have fallen for that move because he would've just summoned up his spectral hammer and whacked Sauron's head in with it.
X-RHODEN-X The fact that the writers thought a first-age elf, elf-wraith, or a not-even-numenorean man would stand a half-second against Sauron is baffling. No, send 30 Talions at Sauron he’d bitch slap them all at once. He has faced ten times worse things (UNGOLIANT)
Dude, he technically serves no one right now. As Morgoth had already been banished to the void long ago, Sauron had taken his mantle as the new Dark Lord.
I liked Armored Sauron's deeper voice when fighting him in the previous games' Bright Lord DLC. This one fits the Elf version of him but not the armored one.
@@masterpoopoopoopoo9507 WHAT ? The Nazgul here can turn into weird ass smoke clouds, Celebrimbor became a fucking wraith (such a dumbass choice), Sauron can turn into his fair form and a shit ton more lore-raping shit, this game is not canon to anything. Pure trash.
The souls of men go to the far western shores of the Undying Lands for a brief time before leaving the physical universe. Only Iluvatar knows where they go after that
So, in short, the bad guy wins. ...Sort of. Oh well. Now that I’ve seen the True Ending, I can simply take my time with the Shadow Wars and NOT feel the need to grind.
It's before the lord of the rings series started so he would have to lose or disappear for the game to be connected and talion falling to darkness also
Your Next Line is He held the enemy in Mordor and gave Frodo and the Fellowship the time they needed even risking his very soul. If he didn't then Sauron's armies would have conquered Middle Earth decades before the books or movies even started.
It mattered in lore but not for the actual game. Celebrimbor is still the bad guy no matter what you do. You can't get a good ending. It's dumb as shit.
No matter what people may think about the game, I love the fact that at the end Talion got the peace he really deserved.... For him death was the ultimate gift through which he got released from this eternal war of light and darkness...
Really goes to show how death really is a gift in Tolkien's world, when you see what a taste of immortality did to someone who had that immortality forced upon him. He just wanted to see his family again.
The part Talion died was heartbreaking because he been thru so much frfr like I actually cried and do not care who picks on me about it. The man was finally free fron everything and get to see his family again
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 they just tried to do their own take on it, they do try to pay some homage at least to the original lore, that doesn't make it bad.
I would give anything for a DLC alternate timeline where Celebrimbor and Talion fought and enslaved Sauron. Then corrupted by power went onto to dominate Middle Elf one fortress at a time.
Cool idea but kind of a slap to players face with talion, as it wouldnt fit his character. More like celebrimbor & eltatiel doing that, fighting nazguls including talion, and then slaving sauron and attacking middle earth, but it would be very hard because all orcs would be on their side, they should basically include mens elves' and dwarves fortresses in the game which would take like same time to do as gta 6
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 true, ngl i would hope for any game that includes the og characters and middle earth locations into new generation consoles. Even something like return of the king remastered, was lit on ps2
Alone the idea that and elf could subdue a Maia to its will is ridiculous. Yes there have been many powerful elf lords in history, some of which were only of slightly lesser stature and battle power than some Maia, but none of the children of Illuvatar were powerful enough in spirit to take on an Ainur mentally, so its not surprising that Sauron snapped out of it in an instant.
In this game canon Celebrimbor created the One Ring, and at this point he was ring-powered and a wraith that had been plotting and powering up for a long time for the sake of revenge, having become the Bright Lord as a contrast to the Dark Lord, so he's ascended beyond simply being an elf.
Yes. This is what i have been talking about. Celebrimbor got arrogant and thought he could enslave & control Sauron. But Sauron is a lesser god and Celebrimbor a mere elf, ancient and powerful sure but that is not enough to contend with the will of a God. Foolish Celebrimbor. He got what he deserved.
What if Talion was still sabotaging the Nazgul, convincing them to follow cold leads and the like in order to buy time for Frodo during the events of Lord of the Rings? I mean why else were the Nazgul so bad at hunting down Frodo? "Yea totally guys they are asleep in these beds just get your swords ready like this, yep make sure to take your time guys yea" And when the hobbits hide under that tree "Yea nobodies here they are totally not right underneath me, trails gone cold guys"
Sauron even states that celebrimbor throwing away talion was a mistake and if talion did not get betrayed by celebrimbor he could of actually dominated sauron..
Bruh, his grandfather Feanor fought 5 Balrogs, which are very same Maiar as Sauron, his grandfather's brother Fingolfin fought the Morgoth himself and wounded him, so I'd say Noldor are not mere petty Elves. Also he's a Wraith and has a ring not bound to the One.
In most games, seeing the protagonist die at the end left me feeling sad. But not this time. This time the tears are that of joy. Talion is free and with his wife and son again.
Everyone who points out how Sauron said he serves no one when he once served Morgoth would do well to remember this. When Morgoth was banished to the Void, it was stated that Sauron VERY SERIOUSLY considered repenting of his deeds, and ultimately chose otherwise out of fear that he would be made another's servant to do labors of penance. And Sauron himself was corrupted by the "bonds" Morgoth laid upon him, i.e., poisoning Sauron's fea (basically angelic soul) with his own essence. Although Morgoth himself was thrown out to wander the void of space forever (and yes, the Void is literally outer space), those bonds still remained. However, Morgoth could no longer command Sauron directly, and so he essentially "marred" his greatest servant the same way he marred Arda. Whether or not he's there to influence things directly, all that he touched is fucked regardless. So while Sauron is technically out for himself, at the same time he's essentially become a shadow of Morgoth, his soul continuing to fester from the corruption until he's just a reflection of Morgoth himself, which is exactly what that raging narcissist of a Satan expy always wanted for all of existence anyway.
Eltariel was scared deep down and didn't even want to be in Mordor. Celebrimbor forgot his true purpose as a wraith by becoming corrupted by his own ring. Talion was the only one who had the steeled resolve and iron will to legitimately be able to dominate Sauron and bring about the future that Shelob foresaw; of the Bright Lord taking the Dark Lords place.
I remember not knowing WTF to do in this fight and just kept going until it was done. This fight should’ve been like the fight in Minas Morgul where you just counter one attack after another because that was awesome.
Eltariel's "fear me and despair" is just her evil persona shining through. Remember when Galadriel described herself as wielder of the one ring? "All shall love me and despair" Elves just have a thing for despair, it seems
Hate on me as much as you want but this was a great ending to the game I known from the moment Talion taken up that dark ring he would fall slowly he would no one can fight the darkness forever and Talion tried for so long he let middle earth have more time but you ether die a hero or see yourself to turn into what you were fighting R.I.P Talion you well be known as the hero who helped hold off Saron's forces for so long
I was actually writing with my gf shortly before that betrayal happened and said that I was hoping for him to turn evil with all the bad guys constantly going on about this and he did. So my gf got a picture of all new bad Talion at 3 a.m. on a Monday.
Cross gaming thank u someone got the ending even though it feels like everything u did didnt do nothing it actually i did do something u gave middle earth more time and the fellowship gave talion his happy ending
am i the only who thinks it would be hilarious to see nazgul frodo? you have all these nine badasses coming at you on horses and a little one the size of a child carring their bagages?
Bright Lord Talion is a fucking beast, he singlehandedly beat all the Nazgul and even The Witch King, which the world considered to be impossible. He is one of the most powerful fighters in LotR canon based on what I know
Sauron was unable to transform into his "beautiful" form after the fall of Numenor, he was stuck with his big menacing appearance. This game should pay more attention to the lore.
They wouldn't be able to know everything, Tolkien's works have a crap ton of lore, it's envetiable they'll miss something Nvm, thanks AP for disproving me.
@@twinzzlers Sauron being unable to take on a beautiful form isn't a hidden scarp of lore, it's a massive plot point in the timeline of the Second Age.
Lol imagine Hogwarts, The forbidden forest, hogs mead as fortresses, and Harry Potter attached to the spirit of Dumbledor. Then imagine Harry, covered in liters of blood as he stealth kills Slytherins with his wand in the hallways of the castle, or using the Gryfendor blade to hack through them in the great hall. Now that you've imagined it, you should probably notice that it would be a pretty messed up game, besides just being pure blasphamy.
A better question is: What other game or scenario would benefit and be improved by something like the nemesis system? Talion's journey is over but what's to say this mechanic cant be used and reworked for another adventure and context?
Really good ending, it ties nicely with the books/movies and gives closure to Tallion's tragedy, on a good note too. Enjoy your newly founded freedom, it's well deserved \o/
I haven't seen all the Lord of the Rings movies, but from what I heard, this ending seems to fit into the lore and story, even though the games are non canon.
Did Celebrimbor forget that Sauron is a Maia (lesser god of Tolkien’s literature) while he is just an elven wraith? You’d think that someone who was alive prior to the War with the Elves would know this.
I enjoy that everyone wanted to loath this game over the fact that it's not lore accurate to what tolkien had done, like "ah yes, lets indeed look really deep into what tolkien wrote in his literal insanity trip of way more books than thought possible to determine if a single action done within a story is possible." and instead we got sauron and a vengeful spirit trying to vibe check on another with intense magic because yes.
@@utahwerewolf9932 There should be nothing uncanny about Annatar. If there was even the slightest thing off I don’t think the Elves would be so thoroughly taken in.
Personally I like the overall story. Despite the fact that some people hate the scenario and consider this game a taint to Tolkien's work, I respect them for trying to enrich the world Tolkien created.
I believe there's a line of dialogue where Sauron will say
"You lost the Ranger. That was a mistake"
Like even the big bad evil guy knows Celebrimbor leaving Talion was a bad move.
It was *SO* satisfying to hear that line
Celebrimbor is a hoe for how he did talion
Bad move for Celebrimbor+Eltariel, but better for Middle Earth. Like Shelob reveals to Talion, had it been him there Sauron would have fallen but Celembrimbor would have taken his place and be *worse*
That voice of that ghost... No... Could it be?... Alastair Duncan
where is that line ??? i wasnt able to find it....
Celebrimbor was a fool to think he could win without talion. What a shame, poor talion. At least he's at peace now
Talion was weak anyways
@@GR-ej9my say that to the 20 years of being a ring-wraith, ignoring its temptations and fighting the war alone
@@XxSUPEREVILNZxX I know. Talion was the key factor here. With Eltariel, Celebrimbor failed to dominate Sauron. But Talion would've succeeded.
@@XxSUPEREVILNZxX Make that 60 years.
Elves man, greedy bastards
of all the Game mission objectives, DEFEAT SAURON might be the most epic and daunting one I've ever read.
I still say halo reach has it with current objective survive
@@Emma-fb3ti Naw, Jedi: Fallen Order's last objective when you see Vader: "Run"
@@Anarchic1989 nah more like "Survive"
@Luis Martinex hes not weak but yea halo reachs survive is better
I'd say it's second to 'Destroy Ganon'
And then after he disarmed himself and walked into the distance, he suddenly hears:
*"RANGER!!! NEVER THOUGHT YOU'D SEE ME AGAIN EH?! YOU CAN'T GET RID OF AN URUK THAT EASILY!"*
Roll credits.
Imagine
All you have is your sword
You have to fight your nemesis across both games and try to win.
@@yazidefirenze mine was a fellow named Golm the choker
in my case it would just be quiet maniacal laugh cause of Krakhorn The Maniac
motherfucker killed me 5 times, after the fourth he fought the overlord of a fortress and BECAME AN OVERLORD HIMSELF
he doesnt have ANY weaknesses except 3 hints
he has alot of traits and immunities and other shit i dont remember
when i was about to take the fortress i had alot of spies planted as warchiefs, and then i thought "come on beating krakhorn shouldnt be too hard now."
after he killed me again i got so mad that i assigned 4 bodyguard spies to him
Talion walked onwards into the horizon. Where he reunited with his wife and his s-
"MAN SWINE!!!!"
*camera turns and zooms into a single uruk*
Thats what probably happened in my game with Zuka the inmortal, who got stabbed, decapitated, stabbed again, cut in half and then decapitated again, until he finally said enough is enough, but i still miss him
so basically tallion lost everyone he knew, got played in a desperate quest to save the world, got betrayed by his two only friends, one to merge with sauron, one to betray him again. It actually hurts to buy the DLC just to realise it was to replay the betrayal.
from this point of view, the nazgul really were his truest brothers
Funny thing is, the witch king was more of a friend to him than Celebrimbor was
@@sukitron5415 ikr, he still keep the invitation to "The Nine" club open even after Talion beat the shit out of him and took his city.
@@thecommentguy9380 He even waited for Talion to finish everything he had to before pulling the plug. Dude literally kept his spot open for 60 whole years, and after getting their collective asses kicked on more than one occasion.
@@sukitron5415 Neither Sauron, the WK, nor any of the others ever lied...
@@rickacton7540 tbh truth is usually worse than the lie
"Your name will be forgotten. Your deeds will be forgotten."
Well, I guess that is true in the case of Eltariel.
P&WJsmith4liberty I think galadriel knew eltariel would become evuk.
Who?
@@nico114334 Yeah who?
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 galdriel is like the elf queen lady
@@skavanagh2778 I know who Galadriel is... I was asking about Elt-something, the one mentioned in the original post.
0:36 “In the body of Elf or Man,you are unchanged Celebrimbor” hits hard when you realise that Celebrimbor made the exact same mistakes that resulted in his demise, his main one being betraying Talion, as stated by Sauron in one of his lines of dialogue “You lost the ranger,that was a mistake”
Why tho?
@@JeremyPuaso because Talion and Celebrimbor connection made them more stronger than Sauron before Talion took isildur’s ring and battled the witch king, Shelob told Talion that if he would have still been celebrimbor’s vessel and battled Sauron the outcome would have been completely different. Talion would be the new bearer of the new ring leading celebrimbor’s army to conquer middle earth and just like how Sauron absorbed celebrimbor and became the eye of Sauron instead celebrimbor would absorb Sauron because the blue eye on bara dur
@@JeremyPuaso Probably the Curse of Mandos. The fates of elves (like Eltariel and Celebrimbor) were already written, while Talion was human, and thus in the hands of Eru and beyond the control of the Valar.
Sauron was an architect of fate during the First Age.
Sauron: "Damn, so that is how it feels to cut off someone's fingers and separate the ring from its owner"
Sauron: "Isildur was right. This *is* fun!"
i wonder if isildur was looking at the battle from heaven or werever he was and thought: "that motherfucker stole my move!"
''what an uncreative piece of darkness stealing my trick''
Oof
Nice to see the bad guys learning from past experiences, isn't it?
Wouldn't have happened if Celebrimbor stayed merged with Talion though, that ranger would've just dropped the hammer on Sauron's ass.
Bro Talions life is so messed up fighting all these enemies Orcs and Nazguls just to become one and screwed over by like his only “friend”
Tropical Storm and he finally found peace after his Long enslavement
Angry Koala he did. And he screwed Talion over.
what are you talking about? He has Ratbag and Ranger!
Well he kind of did, in the end what Celebrimbor did really didnt change anything. While one may argue he keep Sauron busy, it wasn't what he had planned and to be fair he let Talion die for nothing.
Eduardo Valle Leon and if frodo and friends didn't destroy the one ring, all of talion's and his orc armies work would be for nothing.
I love how calebrimbor called talion a vessel even tho talion was more like the perfect host physically. Near top of class ranger with combat techniques similar to celebrimbors. If anything the girl was a vessel, talion was a host
Talion was near perfect man I hope we see him again truly a badass.
Talion was Celebrimbor’s equal as a warrior, by far his biggest mistake was betraying him.
@@Rtr-oh1mz i do too he such an amazing character made me so sad seeing how they did him dirty he didnt deserve that
@@jackdubs25not even close. Talion was a peerless human warrior, but compared to a master warrior and craftsman who lived for literal millennia Talion doesn’t have a chance. The only reason he was capable of performing the feats he could in game is because of the ring(s) of power he had and celebrimbors spirit possessing him. In game canon, celebrimbor is capable of holding sauron in a stalemate, there is no way he and talion are even remotely on the same level. Eltarial vs Talion is a different matter, but celebrimbor is leagues beyond either of them
@@Rtr-oh1mzTechnically we do, he is one of the nine in LOTR.
I m sad you cant see Talions reunion with his son and wife, like, its the only thing you realy fought for...
Phillip Helmut at the end of the actual ending cinematic He’s walking into I think heaven, while he’s walking away if you look at his sons sword a rose that he gave his wife in the first game sprouts next to the sword. He did reunite with his family.
Well we know that the Elves do have a heaven, Dwarves are reincarnated, but we don't know anything about the Human afterlife.
@@adzxyz1950 As I understand it, upon death the souls of elves, dwarves and men are summoned to the Halls of Mandos, which is located in the land of the "gods", Valinor. Elves get to be reincarnated back into the world after they have spent enough time in the halls to atone for their sins (only a single elf has never been allowed to reincarnate), but may choose to stay in the halls if they wish. Dwarves and men wait in the halls until the end of the world (though I'm not sure whether or not Men actually stay there for that long, because I recall Tolkien also saying that they pass through the Halls to their final reward after some time spent there).
So dwarves are not reincarnated, but will help rebuild the world after the final battle against Melkor (basically Satan). Men's fate is unknown, but the creator of the world, Iluvatar, has a special gift in store for them, which is their prize for living short, mortal lives. So we do know about the human afterlife.
We can see Talion wake up on Valinor itself, instead of the Halls of Mandos, which would actually mean he isn't reunited with his family, not before he dies of old age and goes to the Halls. It is incredibly rare for anyone but the elves and "gods" to be allowed to roam Valinor, but Talion was given this reward for his struggle, in the same way Frodo was. Keep in mind that the game doesn't really follow the lore all that faithfully. Talion being a Nazgûl is impossible, for example
@@calebfleming123 it's a the aliend
@@MagnaHarter Why is Talion being a Nazgûl impossible?
Sauron: I serve NO ONE!
at that moment Morgoth laughed so hard from the void.
Edit: thank you all for the support and likes!
Whenever I see a comment like that I remember that one episode of Doctor who where Jack says "almost anything" when talking about what won't be to penetrate the tardis shield and the doctor responds with "thanks but I wasn't going to tell them that"
I'm assuming these two traitors don't know who Morogth is
Edit: alright I get it I don't know much about lord of the rings lore
@@Theseamus2000 everyone knows who Morgoth is lmao tf u on about. They literally speak about him in the game.
Lewis Murphy
Every Elf knows of Melkor
to be fair I think he doesn’t serve morgoth any more at that point kinda?
@@taekinuru2 I wouldn't say that because after sauron was defeated by frodo morgoth and sauron both returned one last time to take middle Earth but failed
How stupid did Celebrimor think that he could dominate a maiar, let alone Sauron? And he couldnt even learn from his mistake to protect his ring from falling in the last time he fought Sauron.
This was Sauron without the one ring, with Celebrimbor possessing both the Light of Galadriel and a Ring of Power containing his will and essence.
It all made sense as well, Celebrimbor was touched by Sauron's shadow, he is a wight with a dark desire to dominate the living. Not seeking to destroy Sauron, but instead to usurp him. In the first game, the Black Hand of Sauron's ritual was intended to dominate Celebrimbor and merge his might with the weakened spirit of Sauron. This time around, Celebrimbor intended to be the one holding the reins.
It was a nice detail that Sauron learned an important lesson from Isildur. :>
his will and essence is pretty pathetic vs that of a Maiar, he cant even beat Galadriel who was an elf. This whole enhanced Celebrimbor makes no sense, no way he can match Sauron in this state. It'd be more believable if he squeezed in a couple more souls in the ring or somethin
the curse of the Noldor started by Feanor began all this madness
Sephelutis Lucifus none of that is really relevant.
@@tunapriest9392 Those Balrog-killers died taking out the balrogs. Meanwhile, Sauron has a pretty decent track record against elf-lords, defeating Finrod in a spell-duel, single-handedly overthrowing the elven garrison stationed at Minas Tirith, personally killing Celebrimbor, and slaying Gil-galad while taking on the latter and Elendil on Orodruin.
I love how this game's canon had its own inserted explanation for the Eye of Sauron twitching, makes the universe a bit richer, even if it's game-only thing.
@@ChEILoZ They just said that my guy, your comment is irrelevant.
his comment was so irrelevant it disappeared
The games contradict nothing, they just expand on it. It's as canon as anything else: as much as you want it to be.
@@reidparker1848 For the film they work somewhat.
For the Book, it's so contradictory it's ridiculous beyond belief.
@@reidparker1848
THEY CONTRADICT A LOT, ACCEPT THAT BITCH!
in case some didn't know. Morgoth was dead (trapped in the void) at the time. so Mairon (Sauron) was without master. at that Point he became middle-earths Dark lord. + you cant really serve someone who is dead or in this case, trapped in the void.
Not dead, but trapped in the void
He wasn’t dead
He's not dead, he's alive and he will return during Dagor Dagorath.
Sauron declared himself Morgoth reborn and did not serve him
I think u missed the point where Sauron literally made Numenorians build churches to make sacrificial rituals to Morgoth.
Funny, nothing really looks like in the movies, but the way it ends (the ring melts, sauron's tower falls, and even the nazgul being hit by burning rocks) looks exactly like in return of the king.
Elrosthir that’s the point, because it is
well it is based on the books and not the movies
will murdoch oh trust me...it has nothing to books
+White Moon yeah it does depart from the books A LOT but the source material is the novel series, and not the movies themselves.
will murdoch It was confirmed to be cannon to the movie not the book. Lol
The disappointing thing with this ending is that Talion doesn't get to kill Celebrimbor and Eltariel after what they did.
@Althane Frostbane she travels out of Morder. the DLC stated that after Celebrimbor escaped Sauron, she answered the call from the New Ring.
Is revenge what Tolkien's stories are really about?
But he got in the end what he wanted and at peace
Etharels only goal was to kill sauron she did what she had to do in her mind celebrimbor lost all his power and family to sauron he wanted to do whatever it took to get it back you can blame him but etharel thought she was doing the right thing at the time
@@Adrian13235 yea leaving the person that’s been helping her to slowly die, that’s what’s right to her huh?😂 fk her
I love how in this battle they fight as two separate characters but when it's with talion they always fight as one
And he would have won
Shows how much better talion was
Because he was the perfect host
@@bloodangel19 Celembrimbor can not dominate sauron with or without talion no matter what. Sauron (Mairon) is a Maiar and Morgoth is the one who can manipulate him in any was. With the exception of course of other Valar Beings maybe but still not quite. Celembrimbor thinking he can dominate sauron even at a state where he is at his weakest isn't a very clever decision especially since it is said that even after the banishment of morgoth his shadow and corruption still stayed in Arda.
And Talion would SURELY object to Celembrimbor's plan of domination and he would try to banish Sauron given the chance if anything.
The only possible way to defeat sauron is to destroy the ring since inside it he has poored " his cruelty,his malice and his will to dominate all life"
Which means that if the ring is not destroyed there is absolutely nothing in the world that can dominate Sauron without dominating his ring first which would be a bad choice since it's pretty much cursed and getting it will just result in Sauron retrieving it.
So it's a dead end.
But Celembrimbor's greed and lust for power made him blind to that
@@senseithomes Shelob said he would have won. This game has it's own canon separte from the books, so it is posible in the game universe, it's been stated outright, there is no point in arguing
By a story standpoint, the grind makes sense. Talion is basically taking a last stand against Sauron’s forces, trying to hold back the tide for DECADES according to the end. But though he fought valiantly, he succumbed in the end.
The grind could've been less heavy and it still would've achieved the narrative effect. The problem is that the grind was a blatant way on Warner Bros.'s part to tempt people into paying the microtransactions.
Chris Chen Or it was just a way for people to experience more of the Nemesis System and the awesome gameplay but everyone is to busy playing devil's advocate.
Az Az Just got my first Legendary Captain within a few hours of playing. Saving him until I can brand him, but finding Legendary Uruks isn’t as hard as people think.
Sigh, the grind was going to be there with or without lootboxes ever being in the game. Because upgrading Fortresses, getting good followers, helping them train in pits WOULD HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN FUCKING TIME! DID ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY SPEND MORE THAN 20 HOURS IN THE FIRST GAME!!!??? DID YOU ACTUALLY FUCKING THINK ABOUT THING? MY GOD DAMN GOD UGH!
Or, you know, just give us a well-crafted story mission that explains it. But yeah, repeating grind for hours or spend fifty bucks to skip it is just as good.
Sauron : I serve no one!
Morgoth : What did you just say?
Morgoth : WHAT DID YOU FUCKING SAY!
I mean it's kinda hard to serve someone who is trapped in the void. Plus sauron never sought to bring his former master back even though he respected him, but he never agreed with the way morgoth ruled and wanted nothing but to kill and eradicate everything.
Morgoth : *WHAT DID YOU SAY NIGGA ???!!!!!!*
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Exactly. Morgoth was a nihilist. Sauron was a control freak
@@mihaimercenarul7467Sauron also secretly hated Morgoth’s guts and was just waiting for the best moment to betray him and take over his Army. He just didn’t do it during the First Age cuz of the as he put it dumb brainless Idiots who would without a doubt go after him if he betrayed their beloved Morgoth
Morgoth is dead idiot
So nobody is disturbed by the fact that this whole ring history is narrated by the immortal spider that tried to eat the ring bearer that managed to destroy the ring?
not me no
@@donkeykongisbetterthanmari7495 believe in second chances?
@@SuperDeeyay nah I believe in the speed racer video game ost
@@SuperDeeyay ofc I do lmfao
@@SuperDeeyay breh
Never had I actually been rooting for Sauron before...
Foreal! I was so happy he chopped off that bitches fingers and trapped celeb they deserved death but that was still satisfying
Same here.
Yup after witnessing what Celebrimbor did.... I wished Sauron would have just killed Eltariel also. Like wth was Celebrimbor thinking? That he had a chance with Eltariel? P-a-t-h-e-t-i-c.
At least this is a real final boss instead the one in the 1st game
Angelo Steinbach agreed lol
Angelo Steinbach press x not to die
Actually it still sucks. Sauron should be way harder than this. But yeah, it's leagues ahead of the 1st game's bosses.
Too bad this sequel sucks in every way
Valthirian Sunstrider He doesn’t have his ring of power so technically no. Celebrimbor and Eltariel has an equivalent ring of power and light of Galadriel(whatever the fuck that is. It apparently it’s OP). I can see how he was beatable. However, Shelob Saw that Talion beat him with only the ring. I think that alone just goes to show how capable Talion is and how Strong Sauron is. Imagine if Sauron had the ring, it wouldn’t even be close. God Talion was such a simple character but he was really well done.
I like the little touch that they decided the one Nazgul that got smacked by a lava rock at the end of Return of the King was Talion. it has that "look my fanfic character was in memorable bit" vibes. I choose to believe that this entire game series came about from the lead writers watching Return of the King in a drunken Stupor and deciding they were gonna make a game about that one Nazgul who got smacked at the end
Finally someone with brains in this comment section.
There are just random ridiculous parts of this game lmao. I dont even mind Talion as a nazgul but why does he look like a pale edgy guy wearing a hood.
@@billcipher9344idk maybe because he is a corrupted deathless wraith
lmao
Thank god someone with a similar mindset. It’s my headcannon that he was just one of those Nazgûl during the movies and died at the black gate where it all started. Kinda thematic.
"I serve no one" seems the writers forgot about Morgoth.
He was the apprentice, with Morgoth gone, he inherited the mantle of dark lord along with the will to dominate all things that roam Middle-Earth.
They also thought that Shelob and Gollum were the true good guys
Yeah I could buy that Shelob wanted Sauron gone because he took her home, her species were around since the First Age and he's basically a pushy foreign power, but why is she so happy about 'light in mordor', she's a creature of darkness.
if morgoth came back.. sauron would either serve him again or be destroyed sauon cant go up against the power of morgoth and he would no that
Not at this point in time anymore, something you can make out by Sauron saying that "there is no life in the void, only death" meaning that he does not care if Morgoth was banished to the void or is truly dead it´s the same to him either way.
Tolkien wrote that Sauron “was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself.” As he grew more and more evil as the years went by, he wanted to underline his evolution by taking the name of the ultimate Dark entity in history, the spirit who served nobody but himself.
When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth's representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned''Letter 183; Letters of Tolkien
I love that Sauron remembers how he got beaten and did the same to celebrimbor
At least the end plot makes sense for the Trilogy story. Fought the Dark Lord, eventually succumbing to his will. Then freed after the One Ring's destruction. That right there is basically his journey to the White Shores.
except men don't go to the white shores
I thought ring bearers get a free ticket to the white shores. Frodo and Bilbo both got a free seat on the last boat for this reason if I remember rightly. Has been a while. If this is the case than technically Talion would also be eligible
@@WNShadow814 Don't forget in the Book Lord of the Rings Sam also carried the ring for Frodo as they traveled to Mount Doom. That is why Sam got to go to Valinor. Sam may have traveled with Lord Celeborn together.
@@superduperfreakyDj They don't stay there, but they do stay a bit at the halls of Mandos before leaving, cf Luthien meeting Beren there.
I'm crying from that ending. I feel so bad for talion.
twistedmetalplayer21 same here I feel empty I don't know why maybe because that song at the end.
He FINALLY got the death he wanted eventually, though. It's an esoteric happy ending to him.
twistedmetalplayer21 at least he can see his family again
I feel that too.
Well, he is with their family now
Sauron as Annatar alone is enough reason to buy the game. So awesome, so conniving, and so mighty fine.
Didn't know evil Maiar with a penchant for betrayal, wanton murder, and enslavement of all races were a kink for some. Interesting.
Agreed it's a good likeness for the Lord of Gifts.
@Bingo Yeah, I get that. I'm just saying man, I don't think he'd be a good lover.
@@austinkersey2445 you'd have to be into domination lol
@@Mrcaptainmorgan93 *Indeed*
This is definitely one of the best games I’ve ever played and even though Tallion turns evil and dies he finds his peace and it’s satisfying also the music is iconic
Honestly not a bad ending and a way to tie it into some type of lore ending kinda
Thats what i was thinking, I love Tolkiens work and thought i would hate this but ended up decently satisfied
Who else was pissed that calebrimbor didn't care about talion at all?
Me
Milk Man In Vídeo Games,When The MC Has An Ghost Of Your Enemy On Your Soul, He Is Bound To Betray You, That What I Learned
Me. Bullshit betrayal negating their relationship entirely.
Eugen Glassmann not really their relationship becomes much more strained in shadow of war
their relationship was already pretty strained to begin with, shadow of war was basically the tipping point.
Celebrimbor should've stuck with Talion.
He wouldn't have fallen for such a scrub move.
It's like Shelob said. If Talion fought Sauron then Celebrimbor would've won.
That's likely because rather than try something as ludicrous as BRANDING Sauron, Talion would've just whacked his head off with that handy dandy sword of his, no mucking around with 'weakening' him or putting his hand on his face to try and turn him into a minion.
Also that look on Eltariel's face as she stumbles back, clutching her bleeding hand? I'm pretty sure that is the facial expression for "oh shit I really fucked up didn't I?"
That's because Talion still has some morals and is committed to destroying Sauron, not dominating him.
He wouldn't have fallen for that move because he would've just summoned up his spectral hammer and whacked Sauron's head in with it.
but then celebrimbor woudve turned into the new sauron. Shelob made talion see the true end of celebrimbor.
@@jacksimpson8529 Yeah no. that doesnt work on sauron lmao
X-RHODEN-X The fact that the writers thought a first-age elf, elf-wraith, or a not-even-numenorean man would stand a half-second against Sauron is baffling.
No, send 30 Talions at Sauron he’d bitch slap them all at once.
He has faced ten times worse things (UNGOLIANT)
Sauron: I serve no one
Morgoth: You see, it's this type of BS that made me betray Eru.
Sauron: I serve no one!
Morgoth: Uh........May I see you in my throne room for a minute?
Sauron: dude your realms locked it says I have to die
Morgoth: dammit sauron then why do you live
phillip walling Morgoth is cast in a void never to return
Dude, he technically serves no one right now. As Morgoth had already been banished to the void long ago, Sauron had taken his mantle as the new Dark Lord.
somebody's getting fired! in yonce's voice
Morgoth returns for one final battle before the end of arda. Sauron would have to answer to him eventually.
9:27 one simply have to love the symbolism in this short-his son´s sword next to the flower his wife loved.
damn i forgot about the final closing ending, and how tear jerking it is.
Rest in peace, son of Gondor.
I liked Armored Sauron's deeper voice when fighting him in the previous games' Bright Lord DLC. This one fits the Elf version of him but not the armored one.
Same voice actor, Sauron's fair form as Annatar was meant to be deceptively beautiful, calm and charming. And clearly intimate with Shelob's own. ;)
Really? He sounds like a Nazgul who smokes 5 packs a day.
@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s no I'm not
@Executioner I agree with you man his voice in the previous game was so badass and cool to listen to
Yeah I hate how similar it sounds to the Nazgûl honestly
Talion repeatedly stabbed a bedfull of pillows in the Prancing Pony Inn...
Then he got set on fire a few days later.
Just dwell on that for a bit.
I like to think MAYBE that wasn´t him lol. Then again, the Nazgul are a bunch of weebs compared to the ones in te game...
Tanner McNeill maybe not. There was only five of the nine in the prancing pony and at wethertop.
the game isn't canon my good sirs
@@masterpoopoopoopoo9507 WHAT ? The Nazgul here can turn into weird ass smoke clouds, Celebrimbor became a fucking wraith (such a dumbass choice), Sauron can turn into his fair form and a shit ton more lore-raping shit, this game is not canon to anything. Pure trash.
Derp Herp the ring wraiths somehow become fucking death eaters or those weird ass ghosts from Harry Potter it’s embarrassing
Does the true ending mean that Talion is truly dead, because it looks like he is going to the undying lands, where frodo and the wizards went.
Leo Jansen haha
Good ‘ol Manwe keeping an eye on things
Requiem Solace maybe he too could be like Celebrimbor and takes a vessel to claim
@Leo Jansen I hope a sane and good bruz is there too maybe even flint and his brother
The souls of men go to the far western shores of the Undying Lands for a brief time before leaving the physical universe.
Only Iluvatar knows where they go after that
So, in short, the bad guy wins. ...Sort of.
Oh well. Now that I’ve seen the True Ending, I can simply take my time with the Shadow Wars and NOT feel the need to grind.
It's before the lord of the rings series started so he would have to lose or disappear for the game to be connected and talion falling to darkness also
Princeofddr Dance Master you just saw both endings, Why bother?
SuperDuper NaturalPerson Because I have fun defending fortress, and messing around with the Nemesis System?
Dex4Sure I didn't even know this game existed 'till I saw *TheRadBrad* play it
Good plan. That's how it was supposed to be without WB thinking they could bleed money out of impatient morons.
Congrats, nothing you did mattered
Your Next Line is He held the enemy in Mordor and gave Frodo and the Fellowship the time they needed even risking his very soul. If he didn't then Sauron's armies would have conquered Middle Earth decades before the books or movies even started.
An unsung hero.
What you did mattered. No one is alive to remember it, though.
Congrats, nothing you did mattered... NANI!?!
H250909 that reply is the best for a response
It mattered in lore but not for the actual game. Celebrimbor is still the bad guy no matter what you do. You can't get a good ending. It's dumb as shit.
He finally find peace but talion will not be forgotten long live a hero
No matter what people may think about the game, I love the fact that at the end Talion got the peace he really deserved.... For him death was the ultimate gift through which he got released from this eternal war of light and darkness...
Really goes to show how death really is a gift in Tolkien's world, when you see what a taste of immortality did to someone who had that immortality forced upon him. He just wanted to see his family again.
The part Talion died was heartbreaking because he been thru so much frfr like I actually cried and do not care who picks on me about it. The man was finally free fron everything and get to see his family again
I feel like talion deserved a custom nazgul helmet
One that says bright lord on it
@@hi-js6vb I posted this 7 months ago rn yours says 7 hours ago I thank you
@@insaneq_309 and im also here 1 month later
@@fireclash7653 and I’m also here 1 month later.
Everybody that made this game did an outstanding job. It's a work of art. 11/10
Agree
No, it is not
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 why?
@@AA-jp9cj
The gameplay is great but the story of this game is total horseshit, its a giant middle-finger to the lore.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 they just tried to do their own take on it, they do try to pay some homage at least to the original lore, that doesn't make it bad.
I would give anything for a DLC alternate timeline where Celebrimbor and Talion fought and enslaved Sauron. Then corrupted by power went onto to dominate Middle Elf one fortress at a time.
Cool idea but kind of a slap to players face with talion, as it wouldnt fit his character. More like celebrimbor & eltatiel doing that, fighting nazguls including talion, and then slaving sauron and attacking middle earth, but it would be very hard because all orcs would be on their side, they should basically include mens elves' and dwarves fortresses in the game which would take like same time to do as gta 6
@@tuomast7309
I would be ok with that, this game basically rapes the lore anyway.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 true, ngl i would hope for any game that includes the og characters and middle earth locations into new generation consoles. Even something like return of the king remastered, was lit on ps2
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 Rapes what lore??? These games are f-g adaptations!!!! 🤦
@@tuomast7309 Idk if they would actually do it like Sauron.
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly... "
- Thanos after Rings Of Power
Sauron: I serve no one
Morgoth: what did you say
Sauron: nothing sir
But what about my nigga ratbag tho?
what happened to him
Dyslexo presumably he and a load of the other orcs fled Mordor, perhaps they form the foundation of a post Sauron civilisation
Queek headtaker Ratbag dlc confirmed ratbag new ring bearer
+Dysexo he was killed by the hammer of sauron remmember?
game fly he didn't die from it. I can tell you haven't played this game ;)
The truth is that the Witch King is actually a time-travelling Ratbag.
its been out for like a day Jesus Christ.
gamer42j not even out in North America yet lol
gamer42j Two words: review copies. These guys were probably playing for days before hand.
H240909 Yeah probably.
5:18
*Sauron* : "I'mma about to pull a pro-gamer move."
Sauron: I serve no one
Morgoth: Am I a joke to you?
Alone the idea that and elf could subdue a Maia to its will is ridiculous. Yes there have been many powerful elf lords in history, some of which were only of slightly lesser stature and battle power than some Maia, but none of the children of Illuvatar were powerful enough in spirit to take on an Ainur mentally, so its not surprising that Sauron snapped out of it in an instant.
I dunno what my point was in my comment.
Kamina but celebrimbor had a ring that enhances his power and sourons ring fell off
In this game canon Celebrimbor created the One Ring, and at this point he was ring-powered and a wraith that had been plotting and powering up for a long time for the sake of revenge, having become the Bright Lord as a contrast to the Dark Lord, so he's ascended beyond simply being an elf.
Yes. This is what i have been talking about. Celebrimbor got arrogant and thought he could enslave & control Sauron. But Sauron is a lesser god and Celebrimbor a mere elf, ancient and powerful sure but that is not enough to contend with the will of a God.
Foolish Celebrimbor. He got what he deserved.
Well Legolas did shield surfing, I'm still waiting sauron to show he can do that.
Elves - 1
Dark Lord - 0
What if Talion was still sabotaging the Nazgul, convincing them to follow cold leads and the like in order to buy time for Frodo during the events of Lord of the Rings? I mean why else were the Nazgul so bad at hunting down Frodo?
"Yea totally guys they are asleep in these beds just get your swords ready like this, yep make sure to take your time guys yea"
And when the hobbits hide under that tree "Yea nobodies here they are totally not right underneath me, trails gone cold guys"
Would be a neat plot twist. lol
Sauron: "I server no One!"
Morgoth, sitting in his void prison eating crisps: Am I a joke to you?
Sauron even states that celebrimbor throwing away talion was a mistake and if talion did not get betrayed by celebrimbor he could of actually dominated sauron..
What an idiot celebrimbor is ay
@@God-xw1nu Total hubris man.
What time stamp is that at
A maia cannot be dominated by an Elf and Man
Bruh, his grandfather Feanor fought 5 Balrogs, which are very same Maiar as Sauron, his grandfather's brother Fingolfin fought the Morgoth himself and wounded him, so I'd say Noldor are not mere petty Elves. Also he's a Wraith and has a ring not bound to the One.
Why the hell am I crying right in the end... as soon as "And death to Talion" I start weeping silently, and then that music kicks in...
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"I serve no one!"
Morgoth: "That hurts, Sauron. That hurts real bad!"
what if Sauron being the big bad for a long time made him forget about Morgoth
@@enragedbyeverything i dont think so as he once was in Numenor the verry first thing he did was that they build statues for Morgoth
@@creativenamesmth maybe because since morgoth is gone he says this
There's a difference between 'serve' and 'served', you know?
The witch king was more of a bro than you, Celebrimbor
Sauron: I serve NO ONE!
Morgoth: *Inhales Deeply* I’m bout to end this man whole career
He wasn't breathing in middle earth
In most games, seeing the protagonist die at the end left me feeling sad. But not this time. This time the tears are that of joy. Talion is free and with his wife and son again.
Wait so talion became part of the nine and when Sauron was destroyed he was free of darkness and found peace?
Collin Rank yes
Collin Rank yeah basically he was allowed to die and pass on to the after life with his family
to the halls of Mandos he goes
yeah the whole game is about him wanting to die
@@nameisconfusing142 not really. Cause if he wanted to die he could just take his ring off and that's it
You know, in the movies Sauron had that mace for like 15 seconds, but in the game he can't wipe his ass without it.
In the movies it's heavy.
In the games it's light as frick
It’s kinda amazing knowing that Talion actually was in the movies,
BUT AS A NAZGUL
Sauron was like
"BITCH IM SAURON"
The fact that we fight Sauron as The final boss in Shadow of war is really awesome as epic!
Everyone who points out how Sauron said he serves no one when he once served Morgoth would do well to remember this. When Morgoth was banished to the Void, it was stated that Sauron VERY SERIOUSLY considered repenting of his deeds, and ultimately chose otherwise out of fear that he would be made another's servant to do labors of penance. And Sauron himself was corrupted by the "bonds" Morgoth laid upon him, i.e., poisoning Sauron's fea (basically angelic soul) with his own essence. Although Morgoth himself was thrown out to wander the void of space forever (and yes, the Void is literally outer space), those bonds still remained. However, Morgoth could no longer command Sauron directly, and so he essentially "marred" his greatest servant the same way he marred Arda. Whether or not he's there to influence things directly, all that he touched is fucked regardless. So while Sauron is technically out for himself, at the same time he's essentially become a shadow of Morgoth, his soul continuing to fester from the corruption until he's just a reflection of Morgoth himself, which is exactly what that raging narcissist of a Satan expy always wanted for all of existence anyway.
Sauron: I serve no one
Morgoth: ahem
Eltariel was scared deep down and didn't even want to be in Mordor.
Celebrimbor forgot his true purpose as a wraith by becoming corrupted by his own ring.
Talion was the only one who had the steeled resolve and iron will to legitimately be able to dominate Sauron and bring about the future that Shelob foresaw; of the Bright Lord taking the Dark Lords place.
Ain't gonna lie, talion has a tragic story
@@moaazmedhat467 and what does that have to do with his tragic story exactly??
@@moaazmedhat467 fuck off dude
I remember not knowing WTF to do in this fight and just kept going until it was done.
This fight should’ve been like the fight in Minas Morgul where you just counter one attack after another because that was awesome.
Eltariel's "fear me and despair" is just her evil persona shining through.
Remember when Galadriel described herself as wielder of the one ring?
"All shall love me and despair"
Elves just have a thing for despair, it seems
Hate on me as much as you want but this was a great ending to the game I known from the moment Talion taken up that dark ring he would fall slowly he would no one can fight the darkness forever and Talion tried for so long he let middle earth have more time but you ether die a hero or see yourself to turn into what you were fighting
R.I.P Talion you well be known as the hero who helped hold off Saron's forces for so long
I was actually writing with my gf shortly before that betrayal happened and said that I was hoping for him to turn evil with all the bad guys constantly going on about this and he did. So my gf got a picture of all new bad Talion at 3 a.m. on a Monday.
Fuck off with that bullshit they could have made a better ending, and not tie it to lord of the rings cause this game is NOT cannon in the slightest.
and yet u would have complained if they had let us kill sauron wich means its a loose/loose situation here
Cross gaming thank u someone got the ending even though it feels like everything u did didnt do nothing it actually i did do something u gave middle earth more time and the fellowship gave talion his happy ending
Ser Mike Hunt so...what's your idea?
So, Talion met Frodo in movie :) Beautiful ending.
and tried to kill him
Well actually when Angmar stabbed Frodo he was turning into a Wraith also so they were trying to recruit him in a way
This game isnt canon idiots
am i the only who thinks it would be hilarious to see nazgul frodo? you have all these nine badasses coming at you on horses and a little one the size of a child carring their bagages?
Nah it would be freaking hilarious
I didn't think it would be so literal when Bruz said they're the same thing, really.
Bright Lord Talion is a fucking beast, he singlehandedly beat all the Nazgul and even The Witch King, which the world considered to be impossible. He is one of the most powerful fighters in LotR canon based on what I know
Too bad he ain't canon.
Sauron was unable to transform into his "beautiful" form after the fall of Numenor, he was stuck with his big menacing appearance. This game should pay more attention to the lore.
They wouldn't be able to know everything, Tolkien's works have a crap ton of lore, it's envetiable they'll miss something
Nvm, thanks AP for disproving me.
@@twinzzlers The developers intentionally did take some liberties of their own. However, I personally enjoy the game's story anyway.
@@twinzzlers Sauron being unable to take on a beautiful form isn't a hidden scarp of lore, it's a massive plot point in the timeline of the Second Age.
@@LordMortanius Oh, whoops. Thanks for correcting me.
If it did that, it would be boring. A good LOTR game needs to deviate from the lore.
Now is it that the developers can make a non canon harry potters game with nemesis system
Aazaad Gass Dude,Harry Potter would not work with this style and nemesis system.
Draco Will remember that
I don't see a game like free to roam but a fighting game would be cool
Lol imagine Hogwarts, The forbidden forest, hogs mead as fortresses, and Harry Potter attached to the spirit of Dumbledor. Then imagine Harry, covered in liters of blood as he stealth kills Slytherins with his wand in the hallways of the castle, or using the Gryfendor blade to hack through them in the great hall.
Now that you've imagined it, you should probably notice that it would be a pretty messed up game, besides just being pure blasphamy.
A better question is: What other game or scenario would benefit and be improved by something like the nemesis system?
Talion's journey is over but what's to say this mechanic cant be used and reworked for another adventure and context?
Really good ending, it ties nicely with the books/movies and gives closure to Tallion's tragedy, on a good note too.
Enjoy your newly founded freedom, it's well deserved \o/
It contradicts practically every piece of lore in the books, it is far from tying nicely!
"You lost the Ranger. That....was a mistake." - Sauron
Morgan Freeman (narrating): and Sauron was right.
Sauron: i serve no one
Morgoth: hold my beer.
To quote another fantasy series: "If you think this is going to have a happy ending you haven't been paying attention."
Hate that monster as much as you want, you gotta admit he had a point about that one.
Lmao all the Starks got a happy ending, wtf u smoking to like that crap?
@@user-xt4pk7my6h Damn he just cited a quote, he didnt say anything about any characters ending
I haven't seen all the Lord of the Rings movies, but from what I heard, this ending seems to fit into the lore and story, even though the games are non canon.
0:36 one only can wish to have such voice
Sauron: I serve no one!
Morgoth in the void:......BOY IF YOU DONT GET-...
4:16 I like how Sauron’s pride has led him to losing his loyalty to Morgoth.
So beautiful i become tear eyed... Who else is here after finishing the game?
Remus88Romulus me
Remus88Romulus Who's cutting onions
Me too bro
🤚
Silmarillion fans suffering more than the protag in this.
Rings of Power TV show
Anyone else thought a better ending would have been if Talion's family was waiting for him on the other side?
Yeah
Did Celebrimbor forget that Sauron is a Maia (lesser god of Tolkien’s literature) while he is just an elven wraith? You’d think that someone who was alive prior to the War with the Elves would know this.
I enjoy that everyone wanted to loath this game over the fact that it's not lore accurate to what tolkien had done, like "ah yes, lets indeed look really deep into what tolkien wrote in his literal insanity trip of way more books than thought possible to determine if a single action done within a story is possible." and instead we got sauron and a vengeful spirit trying to vibe check on another with intense magic because yes.
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Check out this move, I learned it from the humans.
Sauron’s face in this scene is the most terrifying thing in Middle-earth.
@@utahwerewolf9932 There should be nothing uncanny about Annatar. If there was even the slightest thing off I don’t think the Elves would be so thoroughly taken in.
Personally I like the overall story. Despite the fact that some people hate the scenario and consider this game a taint to Tolkien's work, I respect them for trying to enrich the world Tolkien created.
It's canon to many people, myself included. Fantastic story.
@@reidparker1848 it really shouldn't be dude. Isildur is one of the Nazgul ffs
When the journey beats the destination, you know you will remember the tale for years to come
I hope they're make more games like this as I love playing this games