Sauron in the First Age | Tolkien Explained

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  • @saltedllama2759
    @saltedllama2759 3 роки тому +2939

    The depth of Tolkien's world is incredible.

    • @diollinebranderson6553
      @diollinebranderson6553 3 роки тому +48

      IKR? its the whole reason why many countries are more fascinated with the famtasy genre and set the standard for a gokd fantasy story whether as a book, game or movie. A very VERY High standard tho.
      same applies to Narnia too.

    • @gabemore1766
      @gabemore1766 2 роки тому +13

      Who comes up with this thou in they're rightful mind crazy

    • @crackthecan3970
      @crackthecan3970 2 роки тому +5

      Right?????? How is it even possible

    • @Anonymous-oz1gx
      @Anonymous-oz1gx 2 роки тому +8

      Listen to Jordan Peterson

    • @mma-g
      @mma-g 2 роки тому +16

      It doesn't feel made up for the sake of it or as filler like grr Martins world does

  • @LHelms
    @LHelms 3 роки тому +2994

    Never realized Sauron got his start as a temp for a blacksmith.
    That explains a lot.

    • @garytwinem5275
      @garytwinem5275 3 роки тому +28

      Valinor YTS.

    • @HerrrLuna
      @HerrrLuna 3 роки тому +149

      To sad Aule lost many of his students to the dark side...

    • @averongodoffire8098
      @averongodoffire8098 3 роки тому +83

      @@HerrrLuna
      He offered the ability to forge and change things to what one willed, sometimes you attract certain peoples who just want to forge their own selves and nothing to help others Aule and his remaining student show those who still wish to forge things to help other and make goodness

    • @palpichulo6969
      @palpichulo6969 3 роки тому +23

      @@HerrrLuna good...goooooooood.

    • @trekstarsam2494
      @trekstarsam2494 2 роки тому +63

      Sauron and Saruman were both Maia of Aule, the Smith. Ironically also, both fell to evil. This was not really a coincidence. Tolkien despised the increasing industrialization of his time, and wrote his feelings about it into his novels. Two "orderly builders" turned out to be the series antagonists. You especially saw it in Saruman, him cutting down the trees to build things for his war machine, not caring at all about the nature he used to love. Their master, Aule himself was also quite an ambitious builder. He created and awakened the dwarves before the firstborn of Eru, the Elves, were awakened. Eru rebuked him, but Aule humbled himself and prepared to destroy the dwarves, but Eru had mercy and told him that they could remain, but they couldn't awaken until after His firstborn did. So Aule put them to sleep until after the Elves were awake. But even Aule the Smith as well, was ambitious to the point where he was willing to move faster than Eru. But unlike Sauron and Saruman, he knew his place within Eru's Song, therefore Eru allowed him to have what he wanted anyway,

  • @a.w.4708
    @a.w.4708 3 роки тому +577

    I like that in Tolkien's mythology there is both order-loving dark lord and chaos-loving dark lord. It shows that it is not order or chaos of which one is good and the other is bad, but the understanding and executing of them are the factors.

    • @pancakes8670
      @pancakes8670 2 роки тому +2

      "All Chaos is just Order"
      - Toby Fox

    • @hurmur9528
      @hurmur9528 2 роки тому +3

      It is kind of weird though that Sauron a being that wants would order obey the lord of chaos. Morgoth though is way more powerful than Sauron. But he is not as cunning as Sauron or skilled black smith which Sauron used to really expand his force. And also in the end became his undoing as well.

    • @SchoolOfUnlearning3
      @SchoolOfUnlearning3 Рік тому +1

      All sauron wants to do is control.

    • @Sionnach1601
      @Sionnach1601 11 місяців тому +2

      Excellent post.

    • @zaxmaxlax
      @zaxmaxlax Місяць тому

      Sauron is "lawful evil" and Morgorth is "chaotic evil" (allignment meme).

  • @christophergirardi8145
    @christophergirardi8145 3 роки тому +438

    Interesting how both Morgoth and Sauron both had a thing for jewelry. Good villains always now how to look presentable!

  • @infinymagnus
    @infinymagnus 3 роки тому +659

    The Hound. Truly the goodest of boys!

  • @CAndrewFarnell
    @CAndrewFarnell 3 роки тому +1214

    Sauron after Morgoth’s defeat: “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 роки тому +22

      Know that even with OP rings of power, it may not be enough.

    • @MysterioFan02
      @MysterioFan02 3 роки тому +24

      @@Klongu_Da_Bongu with all the power from the rings he was nothing but an insect compared to melkior so no wonder it wasnt enough

    • @MyPrideFlag
      @MyPrideFlag 3 роки тому +22

      @@MysterioFan02 but he didn't fight Valars...

    • @MysterioFan02
      @MysterioFan02 3 роки тому +2

      @@MyPrideFlag he didnt, but you know what i meant

    • @Stoicbeatle
      @Stoicbeatle 2 роки тому +6

      Sadly, as there were only three infinity stones and those were destroyed or out of reach, he had to make it up as he went along.

  • @Jonahch2v9
    @Jonahch2v9 3 роки тому +451

    An author creates a character:
    "He was born in........."
    Tolkien creates a character:
    "Well before we get to his birth, we have to go back eight centuries before, to a time when the world........"

    • @johns1625
      @johns1625 Рік тому +19

      Starts at the end of his "life", explains a vague history, never introduces the character openly and only provides like a few sentences of direct dialogue through a hallucination. The whole reason Sauron was so dreadful in the books is because we know almost nothing about him. Not even what he truly is. Then decades later we get the Silmarillion and everything lines up. He's the perfect antagonist complete with 1 chance for redemption.

  • @Daggerfall40
    @Daggerfall40 3 роки тому +2934

    Sauron has a pretty good resume as far as dark lords are concerned. The guy was a menace for 3 whole ages, helped sink the greatest civilization of man in Arda, can transform into beasts, managed to beat a golden haired elf lord in a rap battle and tricked the greatest craftsman in the 2nd age into forging magical rings that enslaved kings. In his own ways, he's just as much a badass as Morgoth.

    • @grogn69
      @grogn69 3 роки тому +172

      As villains go , he's one of my favorites...( possibly exceeded by Palpatine in the "Robot Chicken " sket hes...

    • @Morzok
      @Morzok 3 роки тому +42

      It was in 2rd age not the 3rd xD

    • @Daggerfall40
      @Daggerfall40 3 роки тому +76

      @@Morzok Good catch! Need to have my Tolkien card revoked for that mistake

    • @Morzok
      @Morzok 3 роки тому +39

      @@Daggerfall40 Everyone can make mistakes, just do your best to learn from it.Namárië

    • @ollylin9338
      @ollylin9338 3 роки тому +74

      Are we not going to mention the time he got his ass handed to him by some chick and her dog.

  • @leonardofaber5823
    @leonardofaber5823 3 роки тому +417

    Well done, man. Usually people forget about Lúthien's little help to Huan against Sauron, but you nailed it!!!!

    • @HiHi-lt1cb
      @HiHi-lt1cb 3 роки тому +37

      Exactly! Glad to see my girl Luthien getting the recognition she deserves. She challenged both Sauron and Morgoth and came out alive~ :)

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 роки тому +11

      @@HiHi-lt1cb she was just lucky tho. If Huan wasn't there she would have been got captured by Sauron and been sent to Angband to be Morgoth's personel slave :|

    • @inspectorlunge3887
      @inspectorlunge3887 3 роки тому +16

      @Semih Sargın Apparently Huan only won because of an act of illuvatar also, in spite of luthien's help.

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 роки тому +1

      @@inspectorlunge3887 true

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 роки тому +1

      @@MrRenanHappy it was pure luck

  • @n.p.m1918
    @n.p.m1918 3 роки тому +537

    A skilled student who wanted to keep everything in order, organized and in control. Morgoth took advantage of this, twisting Sauron's mind. Sauron began to believe he could make the world perfect by forcing everyone to follow his will. After the destruction of Morgoth, Sauron began to plot all nations under his control with the help of rings. At this point he had served Morgoth for so long that what was originally left of a perfectly good being was a lust for power, a thirst for revenge, and darkness. Character development at its finest.

    • @KorithStoneheart
      @KorithStoneheart 2 роки тому +55

      The twisting of Sauron is among Morgoth's greatest evils

    • @zzodysseuszz
      @zzodysseuszz 2 роки тому +11

      Very basic character development. Almost generic if it were created today

    • @1994mrmysteryman
      @1994mrmysteryman 2 роки тому +6

      @@zzodysseuszz then why is the rings of power unable to do even 1% of that character development?

    • @nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457
      @nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 2 роки тому +6

      @@zzodysseuszz Well... I'm pretty sure, it is one of the first that set the trope.

    • @onelove7344
      @onelove7344 2 роки тому

      This was like my dreams while awake then I continue the story very similar in to this. Because what happen to me it was really like this. I really want to change the world 🌎 to be fair to everyone but Mark from uae steal it from me or duplicate me, he just play my mind in a psychological way then eventually there's other nationality from dubai then elon musk comes, they just pushing me to continue my theory's in my thoughts. They will use my partner and my siste.

  • @MusikByTim
    @MusikByTim 3 роки тому +775

    After watching your videos I’ve become convinced that Huon the Hound is the real MVP of Tolkien’s universe

    • @sophiejones7727
      @sophiejones7727 3 роки тому +70

      Luthien is the MVP. She waltzed into Angband, put Morgoth to sleep and then cut a Silmaril out of his crown while he was wearing it. Huan is the fricking awesome though. He kicked Sauron’s butt in a straight fight.
      Of course, it is worth noting that Sauron decided to challenge Finrod to a duel of songs. I wonder why? Perhaps because he knew he would lose in a physical fight with the elf? Seems like he was so mad at Draugluin, or about Draugluin being defeated, here he forgot his own limits. Huan was no ordinary hound after all, and he would have realized that had he thought about it. Likely, Huan was half-Maia: the offspring of a servant of Oromë. Probably, Sauron had put some of his own essence into Draugluin. Perhaps he even felt some measure of affection for the twisted creature. In any case, he was clearly physically weaker than he should have been. Taking a wolf form here was also not his smartest idea (lending credence to the idea that he was very angry). A bear or scorpion form would have been a better idea, for combat with a hound.

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 роки тому +39

      @@sophiejones7727 well, the fight between Huan and wolf-Sauron was not a "straight" fight.
      Huan was already lost the fight at the bridge of the Tol sirion. He couldn't stand against wolf Sauron and fled in fear. He managed to gain some courage to attack Sauron back when he got stunned for a second by the Luthien's magical black cloak.
      Basically, without Luthien's cloak Huan would be a prey to wolf Sauron. As the book said, When Sauron turned himself into a werewolf, he made himself the mightiest one that ever walked in the Arda(earth)
      Also your comment has too many misinformation. Its completely BS. Lol
      Go and learn some Lore before you leave a random comment

    • @MusikByTim
      @MusikByTim 3 роки тому +113

      @@_semih_ we got a servant of Sauron in the comments?
      For real though dude, chill. Be kind. It’s just a fun fanverse. No need to be a lore jerk.

    • @farsight3216
      @farsight3216 3 роки тому +28

      @@sophiejones7727 Um, wasn't Beren the one who cuts the Silmaril from Morgoth's crown?

    • @captainloggy140
      @captainloggy140 3 роки тому +13

      @Karl Quetzacoatl The wolf was Carcharoth, and had a Silmaril in his belly which drove him mad.

  • @current9300
    @current9300 3 роки тому +209

    That region in first age would make such a great setting for a RPG.

    • @Chrissuit33
      @Chrissuit33 3 роки тому +12

      Agreed! I would love an skyrim-like rpg in the first age. Hell, I would love to see some form of visual medium covering these stories. Animation, movie, something.

    • @Becca-oe4ln
      @Becca-oe4ln 3 роки тому +2

      Yea, it would!

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 3 роки тому +1

      I really wish someone would make a pen & paper RPG for it

    • @sbxamedhi
      @sbxamedhi 2 роки тому +1

      imagine fighting a morgoth in a Shadow of the Colossus type fight

    • @nathanielleack4842
      @nathanielleack4842 Рік тому

      @@sbxamedhi or worse yet Ungoliant! How gargantuan would she even be

  • @Waltham1892
    @Waltham1892 3 роки тому +4081

    I remember Sauron from High School. He was a quiet kid...Kept to himself.

  • @ChillyCholo
    @ChillyCholo 3 роки тому +171

    These vids make me want to re-read the Silmarillion, but I know without your narration and the lil character circle bois moving around a middle-earth map I’ll simply be lost again

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +57

      Hopefully I'll eventually cover enough videos that you can reference any character/event in the book as you need! Either that, or I'll just record the entire 20-hour book in one huge video. lol!

    • @manuela1986
      @manuela1986 3 роки тому +10

      @@NerdoftheRings
      Hell yes, please do that!!! 😄😄😄
      Jk, I know that would be sooo much work, but man would it be epic done by you! 💪

    • @ChillyCholo
      @ChillyCholo 3 роки тому +13

      If I can watch LOTR extended edition I can certainly watch a 20 hour Silmarillion video lol

    • @jonathanfarley2023
      @jonathanfarley2023 3 роки тому +3

      Don't forget the voices.

    • @Chrissuit33
      @Chrissuit33 3 роки тому +2

      @@NerdoftheRings I would sit through an entire 20 hour long video if you did it. I was never able to read through the book myself. It's too much information for me to organize, and a bit too dry of a read to keep me invested but I love all the lore and I feel like there are countless hours of good entertainment in those stories. Keep these videos coming! You've helped me digest a great deal of information that I have spent years trying to understand fully.

  • @Tyler-fm1ke
    @Tyler-fm1ke 3 роки тому +187

    I gotta be honest, I know next to nothing about LOTR with the exception of bilbo swaggins with the giant ass dragon. But all of this is nice to hear, makes me want to read the books

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +37

      They are awesome books - highly recommended! :)

    • @horcruxhunter5056
      @horcruxhunter5056 3 роки тому +1

      I’d rly recommend it! It was a marvelous journey for me and this community is so pleasant :)

    • @jamesaron1967
      @jamesaron1967 3 роки тому +9

      Dude, read all the books, make Swaggins proud.

    • @laurelelasselin
      @laurelelasselin 3 роки тому +4

      @chris m Yolo Swaggins and the Fellowship of the Bling
      (i saw that somewhere, google it 😂)

    • @titoboyabunda3717
      @titoboyabunda3717 3 роки тому

      Keep crying bout it hun🤪

  • @drewjackson3858
    @drewjackson3858 3 роки тому +2305

    Wait, you're telling me that Sauron, the Lidless Eye, the creator of the one ring of power, turned to evil because he was a neat freak?

    • @Alejojojo6
      @Alejojojo6 3 роки тому +119

      YEP

    • @ilovemacountry
      @ilovemacountry 3 роки тому +379

      He was the first Karen 😂

    • @masterofmythology
      @masterofmythology 3 роки тому +316

      Celestial OCD.

    • @Quaronna
      @Quaronna 3 роки тому +35

      @@ilovemacountry lmao

    • @fodicky4
      @fodicky4 3 роки тому +56

      Exactly what I was thinking. It doesn't make any sense coz he was always about chaos and disorder. Or was it a temper tantrum that 3yr olds throw when they don't get what they want hehehe

  • @MenoftheWest
    @MenoftheWest 3 роки тому +1157

    Yessir! Great video Matt, Sauron is always a fun character to discuss!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +106

      Thank you, mellon!

    • @totmgsrockxd9900
      @totmgsrockxd9900 3 роки тому +14

      Eeeeyyy, it's the Men of the West!

    • @Youtuubpewp
      @Youtuubpewp 3 роки тому +2

      Hey! I love your videos my dude! I’d like to suggest a theory... what if Thorin caved and told Thranduil his business? Would Thranduil help him, or hinder him further from advancing to the mountain? What would exactly happen?

    • @darthgorthaur258
      @darthgorthaur258 3 роки тому +3

      @@NerdoftheRings I'm sorry are we missing something, I thought it was "men of the west" not "Mellon's of the west"....that would make the film's an books very different indeed...

    • @timharris7185
      @timharris7185 3 роки тому +7

      @@darthgorthaur258 mellon is “friend” in sindarin (:
      *also the word spoken by gandalf to open the doors of durin and enter the realm of moria

  • @jameshumphrey2345
    @jameshumphrey2345 3 роки тому +83

    Reading the book “Beren and Lúthien,” it’s funny to learn that in an early version of that story the function of Sauron was taken by Tevildo, the evil Prince of Cats. On first encountering Beren, the first thing he snarled was “I smell dog.”
    I kind of get the idea Tolkien was a dog person.

  • @ChiaraSiasat
    @ChiaraSiasat 3 роки тому +112

    Great Video Matt!! Sauron is one of those characters that his history is so complex and so incredibly interesting and he’s definitely one of those characters that some drive that you love the character for what they are, but also dislike them for what they do and stand for.

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +13

      Thanks! Totally agree - Sauron is a great villain. Not one you root for, but one who is so menacing you can't help but think "this is a great villain!"

    • @sophiejones7727
      @sophiejones7727 3 роки тому +10

      @@NerdoftheRingsit’s because he’s so creative. His cruelty is so much worse because he has a sense of humor. What he did to Gorlim, would never have occurred to Melkor. Also I personally appreciate that he’s a seductive villain. It’s a trope typically applied to female villains. I love the trope, it makes for such memorable characters (and awesome fanart) but most examples implicitly or explicitly demonize sexually active women. They’re usually the only woman in the story who is aware of her charms much less interested in using them to her advantage. Not only is Sauron a dude, he is not the only seductive character (and some of them are heroic) and finally: it doesn’t feel like Tolkien is judging you for drooling over Sauron. You can tell the man raised several children. It takes serious skill to walk the line between illustrating the consequences of evil, and not alienating your reader by berating them.

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 роки тому +4

      @@sophiejones7727 what are you talkin' bout? lol

    • @brucespence7352
      @brucespence7352 2 роки тому

      Thanks for your kindness and generosity

  • @tonypapas9854
    @tonypapas9854 3 роки тому +51

    Very well done! Many people only familiar with LOTR have no idea how powerful and cruel Sauron really was. As frightening as his disembodied self was in LOTR, he was vastly more terrifying and destructive back in the 1st Age when he still had his 'body'.

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield 3 роки тому +38

    I love these glimpses at the first age.
    Sauron was a larger key player than I realized!

  • @chriscarlisle5676
    @chriscarlisle5676 3 роки тому +309

    People always criticize the eagles but Saurons experiments with werewolves etc is why the eagles won’t take the ring bearer all the way to the volcano, they would rather not become the next aerial mounts for the ring wraiths or worse.

    • @TheUrobolos
      @TheUrobolos 2 роки тому +54

      Aside the fact that eagles would be immediately spotted and took down by Nazguls and untold ammounts of arrows and balistas. Hell, Sauron in person likely could fry them with fire beams or something. Using the eagles would had been wise only up to the mountaing ranges on Mordor, Then moving unnoticed on ground would had been safer

    • @mazharimam6827
      @mazharimam6827 2 роки тому +26

      Sauron didn't forget the lessons of the War of Wrath. He was tragically as evil as they got...and yet, he was brilliance personified.
      Truly, his fall from grace was a great one - from Aulëndil to Sauron Gorthaur...

    • @josh6689
      @josh6689 2 роки тому +15

      Imagine what they could have become if corrupted. They are clearly more agile than the fellbeasts and presumably slightly larger.

    • @johns1625
      @johns1625 Рік тому +10

      Tolkien was once interviewed and asked about the whole "Why didn't they just ride the Eagles" thing, and his response is by far the best one I've ever heard.
      "Shut up."

    • @zippyparakeet1074
      @zippyparakeet1074 Рік тому

      ​@@TheUrobolosbro they'd be spotted before they even reach Mordor. Saruman had eyes in the sky and the Nazgul patrolled outside the natural borders of Mordor, looking for the Ring.

  • @apollion888
    @apollion888 3 роки тому +88

    Not only is this video thoroughly enjoyable but "Nerd of the Rings" is about the best name you could have come up with. Eru Iluvitar would be pleased.

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +10

      Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it! Plenty more vids on the way. 😁

    • @kevinscholfield4880
      @kevinscholfield4880 3 роки тому +2

      Agreed, thou Lore of the Rings works IMHO

    • @V.D.22
      @V.D.22 3 роки тому +2

      Illuvatar IS pleased!

  • @freddymeisner
    @freddymeisner 3 роки тому +63

    LOTR UA-cam is probably my favorite area of UA-cam currently. Another great video dude!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +13

      It truly is one of the best corners of the UA-cam world! :)

    • @FallenOne669
      @FallenOne669 3 роки тому +3

      It's one of the few corners where everyone is respectful, regardless of differing opinions.

  • @TheUrobolos
    @TheUrobolos 2 роки тому +88

    Sauron and Saruman originally were both Maias under the command of Aulë, the crafter, a lover of making artifacts and manipulate stuff to give it order and a purpose. Their similarities likely played a key part in the success of turning Saruman to evil

    • @JohnPeacekeeper
      @JohnPeacekeeper Рік тому +7

      And then we hve Gimli, also a creation of Aule far along the line of the Dwarves. But he's the one who gets to go to Valinor. He embodied humility that none under Aule, not Sauron nor Feanor, displayed. And unlike both, he desired to create beauty that was meant to be shared.

  • @emily-crawford-soprano9181
    @emily-crawford-soprano9181 3 роки тому +40

    I love that your clarify Sauron as somebody who wants order. That in itself isn’t bad but it overtakes his love for the free peoples. That’s where the problem lies.

  • @JagoBridgland
    @JagoBridgland 3 роки тому +14

    Sauron is my favourite fictional character ever. Great video Matt, absolutely love it

  • @kailoma_
    @kailoma_ 3 роки тому +926

    Man we need a live-action film of Sauron’s origin story.

    • @greyglassL92
      @greyglassL92 3 роки тому +94

      Not if they’re gonna do it like they did the hobbit lollll

    • @MysterioFan02
      @MysterioFan02 3 роки тому +30

      would have to tell the silmarillion so i highly doubt it will ever happen

    • @lessssssgooooo
      @lessssssgooooo 3 роки тому +31

      @@greyglassL92 the hobbit was great

    • @greyglassL92
      @greyglassL92 3 роки тому +73

      @@lessssssgooooo the hobbit was a fun movie for the kids, but it seriously pissed all over the reputation that LOTR built cinematically

    • @brandonrogers5207
      @brandonrogers5207 3 роки тому +17

      @@MysterioFan02 their actually not allowed to his Tolkien’s family said no. They were even upset that they did the hobbit.

  • @thebuttonsblog
    @thebuttonsblog 2 роки тому +22

    Really enjoyed your Morgoth and Sauron histories. You've made their stories very easy to understand. Including all the illustrations was a master-stroke, which helped make the lore come alive. Thank you for all your efforts.

  • @lolelloler5569
    @lolelloler5569 3 роки тому +227

    "We do not come here to Treat with Sauron. Faithless. And accursed."

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +35

      Such a great line from the films!

    • @princeh9808
      @princeh9808 3 роки тому +10

      @@NerdoftheRings As far as I remember, wasn't the line also in the books?

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +43

      A very similar line. In the books it reads: “We did not come here to waste words in treating with Sauron, faithless and accursed; still less with one of his slaves. Begone!”
      Both awesome. 😁

    • @princeh9808
      @princeh9808 3 роки тому +10

      @@NerdoftheRings oh ok thx.

    • @melkorianproductions4235
      @melkorianproductions4235 3 роки тому +3

      He has all he needs, faith in me as the one true god

  • @-ingar-
    @-ingar- 3 роки тому +388

    I like how Sauron isn't evil just for the sake of evil. He represent evil as a result of wanting absolute power and control over everything. And unlike Morgoth, Sauron did not object to the idea of God in principle; he wanted TO BE God. He believed that Eru was to aloof and therefor an uncaring creator, and that due to him not micromanaging his creation Eru was being neglectful and responsible for all the suffering in the world. Sauron was a perfectionist and a craftsman that just desired to make things the way he thought they should be. I dont think he viewed himself as evil, in fact I believe in his own eyes he only use suffering as a tool to minimize it in the long term by becoming the de-facto God of Middle Earth and bulldozing or brainwashing all opposition. Of course he is corrupted by power, but in his lust for order he fails to understand the value of freedom when all it does in his estimation is exacerbate suffering. In short, he is complex and three-dimensional.

    • @JohnPopcorn06
      @JohnPopcorn06 3 роки тому +53

      Yes. Sauron =evil of order. Morgoth =evil of chaos.

    • @mateojames3231
      @mateojames3231 3 роки тому +20

      It’s funny, when I think of the ring, I think of it as the human equivalence of committing bad habits. In a way, we can eat cookies and cream ice cream all day of our life, but in the end we suffer for it long term. And so when Frodo holds onto the ring up to mount doom, he it feels like a heavy burden to not just have it on. Like going back to eating that yummy ice cream. The idea of Sauron and Morgoth to become a gods that rules all for a better world is funny, because he wants to manage to build a utopia that is extremely one sided and does not understand the true value of what is being bestowed upon Middle Earth. I have not read much on the Silmarillion, but if there is one thing, it is Tolkien does not want any allegory, especially his beliefs. The fact Morgoth as you said wants order, and thinks Eru is somehow incompetent in his creation, makes me believe that Tolkien intends that Eru is truly working for the good of the creation of middle earth, however, for there to be good, and also for good to prevail against evil, suffering must occur in order to attain Good. Because Evil is easy, and in a way it is good, because it is easy. But Good, just like the example of the Ring and the Ice Cream, we must suffer by abstaining from eating ice cream to be healthier, no matter how easy it is to reach the fridge. That, or I am talking nonsense and I understand nothing about Tolkien.

    • @greyworld6242
      @greyworld6242 3 роки тому +13

      @@mateojames3231 evil without good is meaningless and good without evil is meaningless.

    • @Claude1Rochon
      @Claude1Rochon 3 роки тому +5

      @@greyworld6242 maybe you're right maybe you're wrong....maybe there are other Forces less primitive. I just wrote a lengthy comment on this subject....probably still at the top of the column.

    • @eldhothomas1609
      @eldhothomas1609 3 роки тому +7

      @@greyworld6242 without one, you have no context for the other

  • @Caerulean
    @Caerulean 3 роки тому +143

    "He is the Lord of the Rings."
    Me: "Woooooh!" 😆 That introduction got me rooting for Sauron for a second.

    • @comradedyatlov2010
      @comradedyatlov2010 3 роки тому +10

      After watching videos about Sauron I kinda like him

    • @alex_ma1ex
      @alex_ma1ex 3 роки тому +9

      Sauron is a badass. You can't have a good conflict without a strong bad guy right?

  • @halleck3
    @halleck3 3 роки тому +31

    Forgot what a badass Huan the wolfhound was. Killed Drauglin AND Carcharoth AND beat Sauron (ok, he had a little help). What a resume!

    • @Telcontar86
      @Telcontar86 3 роки тому +6

      I swear my eye twitches every time I see someone write that Sauron loosing to "a girl and a dog" is somehow a low showing for him. Luthien is _not_ "just a girl", and Huan is most certainly _not_ just "a dog". It'd be like calling Palpatine "just an old guy", except even more disingenuous.

    • @halleck3
      @halleck3 3 роки тому +2

      @@Telcontar86 Truth. Luthien was half Maiar and Huan was damned near unbeatable. Kind of makes you wonder how it would've gone if a whole party had snuck in on Morgoth. Luthien, Huan, and Beren got one Silmaril on their own... what've they'd had Hurin, Huor, Maedhros, Mablung, and a few others?

    • @halleck3
      @halleck3 2 роки тому +1

      @@auser8156 Maybe? Although that begs the question of why he didn't. Also... "Juan"? Was the wolfhound from Mexico? ;)

  • @TheNamesJoe90
    @TheNamesJoe90 3 роки тому +9

    As someone who just finished the silmarillion for the first time, this was a timely upload, thank you.

  • @Chrissuit33
    @Chrissuit33 3 роки тому +8

    The way you tell these tales is amazing. It makes me dream of long running TV series based on the first and second ages.

  • @ethanarnold4441
    @ethanarnold4441 2 роки тому +50

    I like to imagine that Sauron and Melkor's other servants (Orcs, Balrogs, etc.) just sat around in Angband playing Go Fish while they were waiting for Melkor to be released from prison.

    • @ballinbalgruuf8198
      @ballinbalgruuf8198 Рік тому +20

      In the dark pits of terrible Angband, an orc named Barak'thul discards a parchment bearing the number 4 dyed blood red. In his mouth already is the taste of the victory that he is certain to come.
      Barak'thul, with arrogant pride borne from the lustful anticipation of victory, declares "UNO!" with a voice so loud and so proud it woke the fell hounds and roused them to a terrifying cacophony, indicating that it is now his opponent's turn to act.
      At this instant a dark flaming glow filled the dark pit, a dread filled the heart of all the orcs in Angband, if indeed they still had hearts. The Dark Lord Sauron, with his searing, lidless eyes, and his virulent presence, arose from his dark seat with a laughter so malevolent, it heated the blackened soil until smoke rose from it's cracks. The Dark Lord casts upon the dark table a similar card, but bearing the symbol "+4".
      Barak'thul was smitten and in that moment felt the deepest darkest dread an orc could endure, and the Lord of Darkness declared himself as Sauron, Master of Uno, the deathly silence that came afterwards an acknowledgment of his claim.

    • @ethanarnold4441
      @ethanarnold4441 Рік тому

      @@ballinbalgruuf8198 do you make this up?

    • @ethanarnold4441
      @ethanarnold4441 Рік тому

      @@ballinbalgruuf8198 Did you make this up?

    • @ballinbalgruuf8198
      @ballinbalgruuf8198 Рік тому +17

      @@ethanarnold4441 No I did not.
      In page 69 of The Silmarillion, Sauron was declared the Champion of Uno.
      And on page 420, Morgoth, in his hatred for all creation, cast the Uno deck down the bottomless pits of Angband because he preferred Monopoly.

    • @ethanarnold4441
      @ethanarnold4441 Рік тому

      @@ballinbalgruuf8198 Lol you definitely made that up.

  • @petehaines
    @petehaines 3 роки тому +12

    That was a fantastic naration of sauron in the first age. I have to admit it was gripping and very interesting. Dare i say after seeing many videos on said on focus on the first age i learned a bit more of this character. Keep up the incredible work in your videos!

  • @robfisher3790
    @robfisher3790 3 роки тому +5

    I'd hate to say this, but your video production and narration have gotten so much better since the Sauron in the Second Age video, that you might want to think about redoing it. Your skill is leveling up man. Nice job!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому

      Thanks so much! I agree completely. The Sauron in the second age vid was one of my first and it shows a bit. I'm sure I will remake it at some point! Thanks for watching.

  • @Weasel65
    @Weasel65 2 роки тому +104

    So wait, Huan the Hound is the most badass character in lotr history?
    Sauron sends army of werewolves, Defeated
    Sauron Sends the king of the werewolves, Defeated
    Sauron thinks fine i will do it myself , Defeated.

    • @robrfoster
      @robrfoster 2 роки тому +11

      straight boss

    • @shriharihudli
      @shriharihudli 2 роки тому +7

      Yeah he was definitely OP, though he did lose to Carcharoth in the end.

    • @Feverdream7777
      @Feverdream7777 2 роки тому +13

      @@shriharihudli Huan still physically killed Carcaroth, Huan only succumbed because of Carcharoth's poison.

    • @asgardiangod23
      @asgardiangod23 2 роки тому

      That's what I understood. We need a trilogy on him lol

    • @weirdfish09
      @weirdfish09 2 місяці тому

      Sauron tries to escape, Denied
      Sauron begs to mercy, Success
      Huan definitely bestest boy ever.

  • @user-qf6yt3id3w
    @user-qf6yt3id3w 3 роки тому +358

    It seems like Sauron had a sense of humour, albeit a rather dark one.

    • @Moldylocks
      @Moldylocks 3 роки тому +62

      He seems like a dude that can only laugh at others but never at himself. Which is ironic since he was basically immortal until he forged the rings and created the only thing that would actually be able to destroy him by doing that.

    • @garypatterson2857
      @garypatterson2857 3 роки тому +43

      @@Moldylocks He wasn't destroyed, but weakened so much that he could no longer take a physical form. He put so much of his power in the one Ring that he wasn't able to incorporate when it was destroyed. Like Saruman, his feä was unbound and able only to wander the world, lost and alone, or seek the Halls of Mandos for judgement.

    • @farsight3216
      @farsight3216 3 роки тому +12

      @@garypatterson2857 But would he be accepted even to the halls of Mandos? I mean, it seems that Saruman was too "weakened," and Manwe sent a wind to blow his spirit away from Valinor. I think that Sauron is doomed to roam middle-earth in loneliness until "the world is remade."

    • @aledmorgan92
      @aledmorgan92 3 роки тому +22

      @@Moldylocks He's still immortal.
      As far as my understanding goes, he needs "power" (an arbitrary term from JRRT) to assume a physical shape and interact with the world (and you need a physical shape to affect the material world - hence why the Nazgul need to wear cloaks).
      Sauron pooled all of his "power" in the ring so when that ring is destroyed, so is his power. Thus he's left as a powerless shadow forever.
      I don't know if he would still be able to observe the world, but he lost the power to do anything in it. Being in limbo forever is worse than death imo.

    • @thomasjuniardi3559
      @thomasjuniardi3559 3 роки тому +7

      Every great villains had a sense of dark humour in them : Darth Vader, Sidious, Hannibal Lecter, Joker...etc.. etc.. 😁

  • @qurantino3624
    @qurantino3624 3 роки тому +28

    Fantastic video Matt! I can tell you are really putting your soul into these videos! Your passions shines clearly through them! You make them incredibly engaging and interesting! God bless you and continue with the great work!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +2

      Thank you so much! I truly appreciate hearing that and am so glad my love of this world comes through!

  • @MrMarvellousMark
    @MrMarvellousMark 3 роки тому +32

    Yey finally the last video about Sauron and probably the most anticpipated one

  • @mistofstars
    @mistofstars 3 роки тому +10

    Wow I hoped this video would never end! Tolkien is unbelievable :) thanks for the great overview!

  • @brunocarneiro107
    @brunocarneiro107 3 роки тому +34

    Awesome content, mate.
    I always find it odd how some people act like Sauron "wasn't so bad, just wanted order" etc. He's straight up evil and wicked in the 1st age.

    • @hydraliskin
      @hydraliskin 3 роки тому +2

      yeah he was cruel but wasnt wholly corrupt..not even at third age when hes fallen as evil as he ever would be..he still rewarded those who were loyal to him and didnt wish to destroy the world only to rule it..evident by the description that if someone would use the ring and take saurons place he would turn as evil as Sauron or worse..indicating there could be even worse than Sauron... Saurons master melkor who is copypaste of Devil from the bible who wanted to either destroy or corrupt the whole creation is the true evil

    • @brunocarneiro107
      @brunocarneiro107 3 роки тому +10

      @@hydraliskin he was lawful evil. But definitely evil. The shit he pulled on Finrod with the werewolves, and with Gorm using his dead wife. That was fucked up.

    • @hydraliskin
      @hydraliskin 3 роки тому

      @@brunocarneiro107 terror tactics..common when wanting instill fear to your enemies...little aside from the subject any ruling organization be it mafia or goverment who want to have power will either break someone legs who cross em to teach other not to mess with you or throw someone who oppose the goverment to jail so will keep other people on check...finrod was saurons enemy and gorms wife was already dead so he kept his word that gorm and his wife would be reunited...if gorms wife was alive and free and sauron promise they would be reunited he then also wouldve kept his word if given and let him go..so not wholly evil

    • @enigma5014
      @enigma5014 2 роки тому

      wasn't so bad bcoz his ultimately so bad 🤣🤣🤣

    • @anatoldenevers237
      @anatoldenevers237 Рік тому +1

      Some people always do this. It seems like no matter how much evil stuff a character does someone will always find a way to try and justify them.

  • @RC-fg7cd
    @RC-fg7cd 3 роки тому +9

    Just started following and I love the content! It’s great to hear someone verbalize all this stuff that’s been kicking in my head for 20+ years

  • @JAMxSkalla16
    @JAMxSkalla16 Рік тому +2

    so astonishing the amount of depth in the lands, characters, stories and history.

  • @qrafting
    @qrafting 3 роки тому +7

    This fan art is phenomenal! It’s so handy to have map references and moving images, Tolkien lore is always doing The Most

  • @John-nt3yz
    @John-nt3yz 3 роки тому +6

    Love these videos, for the last two weeks I’ve been listening to them on my drives to work. Looking forward to further uploads!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +2

      So glad you found the channel and are enjoying the vids! I love diving into Tolkien's world during my commute time as well!

    • @John-nt3yz
      @John-nt3yz 3 роки тому

      @@NerdoftheRings I greatly appreciate your dedication to Tolkien’s art, please keep it up!

  • @Strutsbandage
    @Strutsbandage 3 роки тому +15

    I absolutley love your videos man. I'd love to have the audio in podcast format, even though the visuals are so important I'd just love to be able to listen again and again to learn! Is this something you've considered or would want to do? ❤️

  • @tristaneast9430
    @tristaneast9430 3 роки тому +32

    Hey man thanks for all the videos you put out and the effort you put into them it’s really fascinating. Appreciate you

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +3

      Thanks so much! Glad you are loving the channel. Thanks for subscribing!

  • @KeppyKep
    @KeppyKep 3 роки тому +12

    That introduction was epic, love the way you worked the music in to climax at just the right point

  • @nasmaxfit
    @nasmaxfit 2 роки тому +12

    He seemed like such a nice guy, we’re all shocked at what he did.

  • @Amesang
    @Amesang 3 роки тому +23

    *** hears ending musical cue ***
    *SAURON:* _"I'll be back."_

  • @jubalvw3302
    @jubalvw3302 3 роки тому +7

    I loved the drums at the end! That was perfect.

  • @mithrilsilver575
    @mithrilsilver575 3 роки тому +10

    Yeah that was badass. Helpful for dummies like me who have a hard time trying to read all that evlish crap in the silmarillion. My brother told me the whole story but it's really cool to see it animated and with a map. Excellent job!!!!

  • @matwill387
    @matwill387 3 роки тому +27

    Character voiceplay is pretty entertaining and nice touch on the videos.

  • @jpmarvila
    @jpmarvila 3 роки тому +10

    This is such a good content! Thanks for your services to this community!

  • @manuela1986
    @manuela1986 3 роки тому +11

    I am seriously gonna make a playlist of this videos! They are so helpful when I listen to Silmarillion audio book. For now I only get to the Sun and Moon part and then I still get lost and overwhelmed and go back to the start 😆😆😆
    Which is fine with me for now, I think I have listened for the first quarter of the book at least five times this month and still cant get enough of it ♥️♥️

  • @thehighguarduk4820
    @thehighguarduk4820 3 роки тому +6

    Fantastic video, really well told and explained. Nicely done!

  • @Sigurjon96
    @Sigurjon96 2 роки тому +14

    I don't think there will ever be a person as deep and well written and thought-out as Sauron as the Dark Lord and the Maia. Dude is just an intimidating force of nature and so mysterious with his otherworldly presence. Mordor is feared and respected purely because of him and his leadership. Probably my favorite character of all time.

  • @aleksander8497
    @aleksander8497 3 роки тому +2

    Well done narrating the Sil and capturing some magic from it.

  • @stargradient3000
    @stargradient3000 2 роки тому +2

    I grew up reading the LOTR and the Hobbit but had no idea how much more there is to Tolkiens stories.

  • @snufnik
    @snufnik 3 роки тому +45

    Me, not knowing anything about Tolkien's universe beyond the movies;
    "ENDOR?!"

    • @bruderk4257
      @bruderk4257 3 роки тому +3

      You miss a lot by looking only at the movies. And you get oh so much wrong.

    • @winxclubflora8446
      @winxclubflora8446 3 роки тому +4

      Same i am obsessed with lotr lore but have only seen the movies😂😅

    • @bruderk4257
      @bruderk4257 3 роки тому +4

      @@winxclubflora8446
      I am native german, but 12 years ago decided to read the lord of the rings in the english original. At first it was quite a challenge, but it was all worth it.

    • @winxclubflora8446
      @winxclubflora8446 3 роки тому +2

      @@bruderk4257 its so cool to see that lotr has alot of international fans too! I am from pakistan so english isn’t my native language either(mine is urdu)

    • @fruitchewx127
      @fruitchewx127 2 роки тому +1

      *draws bow* read the silmarillion. Become one of us

  • @donc5220
    @donc5220 Рік тому +1

    Hey man Ive been having medical issues lately , and have watched almost all your vids Thanks so much they have helped me out big time passing time. Thanks man,.

  • @bambostarla6259
    @bambostarla6259 3 роки тому +5

    I love Sauron. In the lord of the rings, he doesn't really do much. But in the silmarillion his charachter is fleshed out really well.

    • @_semih_
      @_semih_ 3 роки тому

      Because he got placed to the story very late

  • @sean5558
    @sean5558 3 роки тому +20

    I like how Morgoth it’s loosely based on Lucifers fall

  • @lusademiurgo7855
    @lusademiurgo7855 3 роки тому +89

    I would love for Peter Jackson to make a set of movies based on this lore.
    It would be dope.

    • @AschaVovina
      @AschaVovina 2 роки тому +2

      Alas, Tolkien's estate has declared everything except _The Hobbit_ and _The Lord of the Rings_ to be off-limits, _especially_ to Peter Jackson.

  • @Dragonstar13
    @Dragonstar13 2 роки тому +7

    Late to this party, but your storytelling skills are amazing. Really enjoyed this explain video.

  • @ngaiflex
    @ngaiflex 3 роки тому +11

    Sauron: "what have thee?"
    The hound: "these hands .... I have these hands" ...

  • @ryanbeck8191
    @ryanbeck8191 3 роки тому +1

    This is my favourite UA-cam channel the last couple months

  • @michealdargue2985
    @michealdargue2985 3 роки тому +3

    Love this so much. Love all the content you posted.

  • @davidedwards4088
    @davidedwards4088 3 роки тому +2

    Seeing The Lord of The Rings with my family at the theater each year was just the best!

  • @psychojoe4764
    @psychojoe4764 3 роки тому +11

    When his 2nd in command has enough personal power to be a valid Dark Lord for at least 2 Ages you know Morgoth is a bad dude.

    • @ayubali2431
      @ayubali2431 3 роки тому +3

      Well he literally Satan equivalent of LoTR universe

  • @Telcontar86
    @Telcontar86 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video to cover this topic, and the drums at the end over the image of Sauron crafting the One was an inspired choice.

  • @timbotook6447
    @timbotook6447 3 роки тому +7

    Great video, Matt. I am both excited and nervous to see Sauron portrayed in the Amazon series.

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +4

      Same here, my friend! It has the potential to be amazing, but if not done well...it could be really bad. I'm hopeful though!

    • @timbotook6447
      @timbotook6447 3 роки тому +1

      @@NerdoftheRings there's always a fool's hope! 😉

  • @Sas-rf9sy
    @Sas-rf9sy Рік тому

    This video is on fire. You even got Sauron to narrate parts in his own voice. Talk about quality content!

  • @rangerofthenorth1970
    @rangerofthenorth1970 3 роки тому +24

    Mate, awsome video, the Sathurday's are always better when the NOTR shows out.

  • @jeremybeals5134
    @jeremybeals5134 2 роки тому +1

    Hey! Short time viewer, first time writer. Just wanted to say thanks for the great videos. I’m not insanely into LOTR by any means. Love the movies (hobbit included), that’s about as far as it goes. Just wanted to say thanks for the great videos. The Tolkien-vers is extremely interesting and your videos are detailed, but still very interesting. I’ve learnt so much since stumbling onto your videos. Thanks again!

  • @3dscott
    @3dscott 3 роки тому +3

    Absolutely amazing! Enjoyed every minute of it! I can only give one like 👍🏻

  • @bam90LP
    @bam90LP 3 роки тому

    Dude I am loving these videos. Captions are helpful AF lol. Im deaf and it works like a charm. Keep up the great work!!

  • @MrPlazmaWalker
    @MrPlazmaWalker 3 роки тому +8

    I actually understood this guys history! Praise you!!!

  • @malenotyalc
    @malenotyalc 3 роки тому +8

    Never underestimate the loyalty and companionship of a great hound!

  • @ChiggidyChuck
    @ChiggidyChuck 3 роки тому +6

    First of all, thank you for everything. I'm relatively new to your channel. I have seen it for a while but I have been avoiding it because I wanted to read the Silmarillion on my own before watching. I couldn't resist and started watching. Your videos are all extremely informative and entertaining. It is so clear how much pride and care you take in sharing the work of Tolkien. You are a true treasure of UA-cam, sir. I'd also like to highlight all of the amazing independent art that you display that adds sooooo much to your wonderful words. Great channel. If you ever have the time or patience, I would love to see a video that highlights all of the amazing artists and illustrations that you feature on your videos.

    • @SpanishCebolleta
      @SpanishCebolleta 3 роки тому

      You'll find these vídeos to be very useful not to get lost while reading the Silmarillion. It can be difficult to keep up with all the names and places.
      Hope you enjoy your reading 😊

  • @peteasarisi2536
    @peteasarisi2536 3 роки тому +2

    Great video! Love this channel. It really helps 👍

  • @Parasmunt
    @Parasmunt 3 роки тому +21

    Jesus someone like you should be directing the new LOTR series. This was stunning work, you bring the Silmarillion to life.

  • @mastrxl
    @mastrxl 2 роки тому +1

    The wordplay of Tolkien is on point with this one. The "defeat" of Melkor is literally his "de-feeting"

  • @fabiandeathcon0153
    @fabiandeathcon0153 3 роки тому +6

    I absolutely love this channel. Listen to you everyday at work! Thank you for making this a great payday already

  • @dhwwiiexpert
    @dhwwiiexpert 3 роки тому +8

    “In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened...”

  • @darthgorthaur258
    @darthgorthaur258 3 роки тому +3

    9:30 what an amazing picture I'd love to see the whole of the lore done in this way, I know it's so much work but damn it'd be beautiful...

  • @dominikszakacs7070
    @dominikszakacs7070 3 роки тому +3

    I like the ending... feels like a cliffhanger. Very good job :)

  • @leadbone1
    @leadbone1 3 роки тому +5

    Awesome work as always!

  • @lizzies4964
    @lizzies4964 3 роки тому +14

    Great video as always! I'd love to see a show about Beren and Luthien. That confrontation with Sauron would be awesome. Hopefully if the Amazon series goes well we can see more stuff from the First Age!

    • @NerdoftheRings
      @NerdoftheRings  3 роки тому +2

      Agreed! Here’s hoping the Amazon series is great and opens doors to other stories!

  • @TrueLife..
    @TrueLife.. 3 роки тому +3

    Two things.
    1. The dogo Huhuan is a total bad ass.
    2. I want to see a film adaptation of the war of wrath!

  • @ASOT666
    @ASOT666 2 роки тому

    the production, quality, and excellent summary is seriously impressive and very much appreciated! Loved this video, thank you so much man

  • @humbertojimmy
    @humbertojimmy 3 роки тому +72

    - "So, Sauron, why all the hatred?"
    - "Long story... It all started when a dog bit me in the ass".

  • @Tomm_Bombadil
    @Tomm_Bombadil Рік тому +2

    Can we please get a Huan the Hound video
    What a good boy!

  • @paryanindoeur
    @paryanindoeur 3 роки тому +10

    I've always wondered how much Sauron's classification as _the strongest Maia,_ and not among the Valar, influenced his arc from good to evil.

    • @shadearca
      @shadearca 3 роки тому +1

      How could he be the strongest of the Valar when he was just a Maiar? Maiar power level is far below the 15 Ainur.

    • @paryanindoeur
      @paryanindoeur 3 роки тому +5

      @@shadearca I think you misread my comment... _"not among the Valar"_ means 'not ONE OF the Valar'.

    • @cerberaodollam
      @cerberaodollam 2 роки тому +1

      "but we shall not grant him the rank of Master" vibes

  • @Doctor-Stoppage
    @Doctor-Stoppage 3 роки тому +1

    This channel is incredibly well done.

  • @celdur4635
    @celdur4635 3 роки тому +13

    I never understood why Sauron tried to rule again, didn't he know that if he were to truly win the valar would eventually come to smack him down? Or he just relished the opportunity to rule even for a brief moment, that much?

    • @princeh9808
      @princeh9808 3 роки тому +13

      The Valar, seeing the destruction of the War of Wrath, had decided never to come to Endor again. Sauron probably took the chance and thought they wouldn't come, which was true, but unfortunately for him, they did sent the Istarii.

    • @celdur4635
      @celdur4635 3 роки тому +9

      @@princeh9808 That's what i mean, the Valar were definitely going to intervene one way or another. Besides Sauron is "only" a Maia

    • @rockyblacksmith
      @rockyblacksmith 2 роки тому +2

      Here's the way I see it;
      Morgoth tried to rule the world by brute force.
      Sauron tried to rule by deception and corruption.
      The Valar went against Morgoth in order to liberate the peoples of Middle Earth, but they never came to liberate the Numenorians. Because the Numenorians were corrupted, not oppressed.
      Sauron managed to not only avoid the wrath of the Valar himself, but managed to turn that very wrath AGAINST the children of Illuvatar.
      If your objective is to rule over Middle Earth without Valar interference, then that was a pretty good trial run if you ask me.
      So Saurons actual plan seems to have been to corrupt all beings in Middle Earth to his will. If he succeeded in this, then on who's behalf would the Valar intervene?
      This is where the rings of power, which were intended to corrupt the various races of free peoples, come in.
      The big battles were, in a way, the far less desireable Plan B.
      And in a way, the Valar allowed for his plan to play out. They left it to the free peoples to descide whether they would join Sauron or go against him.
      All they did was sent them assistance in the form of the Istari that would help them IF they stood against Sauron.

  • @LazrDaddy
    @LazrDaddy 11 місяців тому +1

    This was wonderful. Scratched that need for more LOTR knowledge itch!