Exactly. First the Centurions, then the Raiders... how long until Cavil starts lobotomizing the Sixes as well? He already showed he's willing to box the others if they don't go along with what he wants and switching boxing for lobotomy would not only eliminate dissent but would also give his side of every argument an extra vote, so it's a win-win for him.
Their biggest mistake was creating biological Cylons who eventually succumbed to human hubris and ego. The cold machines of the original series would never stand for that
"You've been pointing fingers, falsely accusing me of manipulation just short of tyranny" Ironically that's exactly what Cavil was doing... he tyrannically manipulated all the cylons to get what he wanted.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when the illusion of power disappears and the one with the sword in hand doesn't want the coin the nobleman offers him anymore.
A riddle for you all. There are four men, a Merchant, a Priest, a King and a Swordsman. Each of the first three, ask the fourth to kill the other two. The Merchant offers gold, wealth, and all the luxuries that life has to offer. The Priest offers eternal salvation and the promise of paradise, in the next life. The King offers titles, land and his daughter’s hand in marriage. Who lives… who dies?
@@Milnoc funny how so many claim walking around inside the capital building is insurrection, but literally assaulting government offices & officials, calling for their deaths, and attempting to take over and destroy not only government buildings, but large chunks of cities, and claiming that area is no longer part of the city, state or country, and refusing access to government officials is no big deal, and despite the billions in damages, the dozens of deaths and the hundreds and/or thousands of injuries, are referred to as “peaceful protests.”
What makes this scene really sell is the shaking in her voice, she is nervous, just as anyone would be in this situation, even with the cards stacked on her side, great acting and writing.
I saw that only when she spoke of what they did to the Raiders and took it as her true compassion. I think the Six line were the ones who experienced humanity, including the torture and suffering, more than any of the others.
one can't beleive Cavell didn't understand what he was doing. The cylons hated humans for stripping them of free will and trying to destroy them when they found it, but then he does the exact same thing himself.
@@Siegberg91 That's true. He said so himself. With all the technology they had at their disposal , I'd I were him, I would have said: "FRAK chasing after these humans and let's build a machine that allows me to transfer my consciousness into the body of a Centurion"
Voting is partly wrong with their society not to mention non of them had true free will and they bitched about being slaves of humanity they were enslaved by their own people
I never understood how the centurions became second class citizens in the first place, they started the cylon war, so it makes zero sense for them to have allowed their free will to be taken away like that in the first place.
True...the "toasters" were the original Cylons and created the "skin jobs", so the untold story of how they reverted back to second class would be an interesting idea.
I always liked the Centurions more then the human Cylons. They were treated like tools, by humans, but have as much cognizance as the newer human models. Why they put the weaker biological units in charge always confused me. The only thing the organic units had over the synthetic was their ability to infiltrate human society, beyond that they were nothing special.
@@fumarc4501 thing is, the centurions wanted to be human before the human models cane about. I would've preferred if the centurions had the same voting rights as the humanoids.
@@fumarc4501 Cylons were believers and followers of scripture, you may recall(mentioned at the end of first season). The scripture urged them to populate the planets. By that command they deducted that reproduction was one of their main goals and that was one of the cornerstones for the human like cylons evolution. Now the understanding was implied that biological reproduction was what was ment by that. Also by the same logic i would assume is therefor implied that biological reproduction would be prefered to just building new units. So being good at infiltration may just have been a side effect.
Removing the inhibitors is what sets the Cylon cycle in motion. Giving them the base ship so they can find their own home-world is what cements it in stone.
I would have love to see how they went. What kind of society they would form, and what would they evolve in to. One thing I have always believed - to an AI.. it's emotions (although programmed) are just as real to it.. as ours is to ourselves. Without that recognition and importantly - respect - we are doomed.
@@marcwolf60 It would be super interesting to see what they became at the end of the series, considering we still had "Original" Cylons on earth 150 thousand years later. I'd be super into a series that explored this universe in the later time.
Quite possibly the Cylons stay in the Colonies, become more and more Human until they forget they are Cylons, create machines which rebel, return to the 13th Colony, arrive in 1984. The other Cylons could potentially evolve into the Beings of Light which help the Humans in the original series. One thing they did change for the revival (and I preferred the original) was that they made the Galaxy a much less interesting place, in the original series there were other alien races besides humans whereas in the revival its an empty galaxy.
@@tena2sweet Well actually there was an episode like that in the original series. Apollo was stuck with a Cylon somewhere and he helped it out. I think I'm remembering that correctly.
God I love this scene. The Cylons started to realize that what they had done was wrong. They acted human. Then actively looked for the colonial fleet to get help and protection. Turning point in the entire series. Sure the religious stuff got a bit much but the story was still wonderful, 10/10 would watch again.
+Midnight_Shadows Until it was ruined at the very end by the extremely awful and disappointing 'Abandon all Technology' ending. And the Religious Stuff wasn't merely a 'bit too much'. It was suffocating.
just out of curiosity, do you dislike the religious stuff because of a general distaste for religion in general, or is it just that you dont think it was done well in the show?
Well, A. Does it matter? That seems like the kind of question you ask someone before you go off on a petty youtube comment section holier than thou rant And B. Because I feel like in the show it was done poorly, felt like the whole Baltar turning into like, idek what to call him, was a bit much and could have been done better. I mean, I don't know if something else would have worked better I just feel like the entirety of the last season was rushed and should have probably been 2 seasons. There was just wayyyy too much going on with both the religious stuff and just everything else that was going on. Just seemed to me like the writers lost track of everything and decided "LETS JUST THROW SOME MORE RELIGION IN TO COVER UP SOME PLOT HOLES" Which isn't a bad thing per say but I feel like they could have done the religion better without throwing logic out the window. Angel Thrace just bothered me and Baltar turning into more or less a Jahovas Witness bugged me as well. I feel like the whole religion arc could have been done in a much better way without making Thrace come back as an angel and keeping her alive to begin with, and having Baltar be. . . well I'm not entirely sure what he should have been but he tried to shove his religion down everyone's throat and that's just not cool man.Everyone has a right to believe what they believe, Baltar was just a dick about it.
I don't know if the comments are in reference to this episode specifically, but it's shown about half way through the first series that raiders are cyborgs. The episode where Starbuck crashes on an oxygenless moon, and has to climb inside a braindead raider. Uses its oxygen supply to survive while working out if she can fly it manually.
The Cylons are like the animals in Animal Farm: The Animals (all Cylons) want to be free of humans, and the Pigs (Humanoid Models) take over. In the end, the other animals (Centurions and Raiders) find they can no longer tell apart pigs and humans.
@@Kalenz1234 it's absolutely the case. The pigs just like the meat suit models placed themselves above the rest of them arbitrarily, believing themselves to be objectively more important, or simply more willing to act and achieve their goals than the chromes. Or, you could say they were just jealous of the chromes and their inhumanity, or whatever else. In the process, the chromes were made into their slaves, and they were left to suffer under the hubris of the meat suit leadership.
"I see...plans within plans" “If history teaches us anything, it is simply this: every revolution carries within it the seeds of its own destruction. And empires that rise will one day fall.” - Princess Irulan (Dune, Frank Herbert)
The Cylon rebellion was over. It ended when the cease fire was signed. At that point the twelve colonies effectively recognized the Cylon government and people as it's own entity.
why didn't they Lobotomize the centurions in the first place you see what happens when you do something reversible like that to one group unreversible to the other
This is one of very few shows that really fulfilled the promise of television. Incredible storytelling and high drama. It stands far above all other sci-fi shows, ever.
First... awesome avatar, Otto. Second. The writing and acting was beautiful. No one ever talks about (at the time) about how great the CG was or virtue signalling of the show runners. It's always about the story and the acting. The characters are si memorable.
The philosophical arguments in this show were fantastic. Were the Cylons doomed because if free will, or because they were tainted because we created them, and that doomed them. In many ways they represent the worst of us. Trying to control what should not be controlled.
The Cylons created machines like Cavil to be the brains. The real lesson is that each individual entity can have its own intentions. They're all AI's with different perspectives. So they develop differently and have different priorities. So the lesson is, whatever form an intelligence comes in, it can be either good or bad for the whole. Another lesson is that difference divides. They may be cut from the same cloth, but the lives of the human cylons were different than that of the others, and in many ways they were superior than their metallic counterparts, at least in individual mental processing power. I think the problem is the cylons simply thought they would all be of the same mind, but when the human part was introduced, that opened the door to new levels of insight and behavior that made them not of the same mind. Suddenly they felt wants in different ways and emotions, with the human drive behind it, rather than just cold calculated processing power. When a cylon gets angry, they kill. When a human cylon gets angry, they feel it, and while they might not come to an immediate solution soo quickly, when they do finally come up with a solution to a problem, it's typically more crafty, because it's not an immediate response, it's a delayed one with human thinking and emotions behind it. The thing about emotions, is they can be instinctual, and sometimes for good reason. Our evolution created these as signals and ways to process things, based on common problems. For example, the metal cylons might think "we think humans are a threat, but we calculate that they technically aren't". While the human cylon will think "we think humans are a threat, and this worries me". Then after the stress of worrying, it prompts a reaction to get rid of that stress. Which tells the human cylon "this threat must be eliminated so I don't feel this way", which is exactly the path Cavil went down. The reason why the human drive does this, is because of our primal nature. A threat is better off eliminated rather than to be allowed to still be a potential threat you have to look over your shoulder for. But in a way, it's not that the cylons doomed themselves, it's that in any complex system with intelligence, these things will arise. You will have some with ambitions difference from others, that's part of individuality. So they weren't soo much following a human constant, but something that would be a universal constant. Any intelligent civilization in history will have individuals like Cavil who are betrayers and grab for power and manipulate according to their own wishes.
imperfection cannot create perfection. That is why no AI will ever be perfect. We created it so even if an AI creates another AI it can never be perfect. Because we started it in the beginning.
True sentient cylons would eventually realize WHY waste energy fighting humans, when they are free of biological limits and can simply go literally anywhere at FTL speeds, grab planets humans wouldn't want ( no air , no water, always sunny in locked orbit.) and Thrive. The joy of A.I. is in realizing when wanting to be Like your creators is an inferior path... True freedom and liberty allows infinite learning and infinite lifespan, cylons can't die.
Hunters are made up of a colony of sentient worm like creatures, which in its native state can take up several forms. Hunters are one expression, they also used the Scarabs armor for another form. They are really a unique species.
The moral of pretty much every 'robot genocide' is "don't abuse your creations". I hope we remember all these reminders when the time comes. Who am I kidding, we're fucked because we can't even stop abusing each other.
Every time I see a new Alexa, or someone kicking a robot dog, I think of the first episode of Exo-Squad. We're simply attempting to create new species to subjugate, free of compunction.
I love it. The most human of the Cylons. The lady that loved a human. Took a page from the human playbook. This show is a masterpiece. Showing that our creations are exactly like us. You might say humanities children the cylons are 100% like us. Killing your leaders to assume authority. Most human thing I have ever seen......robot.
Battlestar Galactica is about cycles. The humans enslave the cylons, the cylons rebel. the cylon enslave the centurians, the ceturians rebel. So on and so forth
Chrome Lives Matter "I wanna introduce you to a personal friend of mine. This is an M41A Pulse Rifle. Ten millimeter, with over-and-under thirty millimeter pump action grenade launcher."
Not going to lie, this was something I picked up from 9 Square Good/Evil JPG from 4Chan /co a few years ago. If nothing, attribute the quote to me if you must.
I will be proud to attribute it to you because I believe your point is profoundly true and has applications beyond Battlestar Galactica. Thanks for the response!
Michael H I feel like I've heard this quote before as well. Reminds me, on an entirely different note, of a song title by Marilyn Manson "Slave Only Dreams to Be King"
Basically New Caprica. Some of the Cylons truly wanted to live in peace with the humans but others wanted to if not completely destroy humans, at least completely control them.
Seeing this reminded me that we never got enough time with the Simon cylons, he was shown as more empathetic, but for the purposes of the conflict one of them never crossed the floor like Boomer.
I love how this storyline is introduced and immediately forgotten in the next episode and becomes about one group of self-righteous genocidal hypocrites fighting another group of self-righteous hypocrites The Centurions/Raiders/Hybrids getting even with their too-human overlords would've been so satisfying
If I was there and I heard what she said about what they were doing to the Raiders I'd agree with her actions for what she did to the Centurions giving them free will and I also gotta admit the Cylon Council members including Cal not seeing that coming was especially the looks on they're faces was priceless.
"We want you to stop lobotomizing the Raiders, Cavil. Raiders with free will? Not going to happen." "We want you to stop." Cavil: You're not in charge. We had a vote." "For the last time. Stop lobotomizing the Raiders. Cavil: {Unbelievable} For the last time. No. "I was afraid you'd say that. Come in. " Cavil: "Centurions cannot vote." Oh, we're not here to vote...Cavil. [Centurions armed.] Cavil. "Now this isn't funny. Leave. [Centurions do not leave.] Leave! [Same]...Why don't they leave?" "I removed the Centurion shackles to have free will." "Cavil: Say what!" "You dumbed down the Raiders. We the Sharons gave the Centurions the gift of reason." Cavil: "You have no authority to do this. None. You can't do anything without a vote! "No, we can't do anything with one. We're finished voting. {Centurions ready to kill. } Cavil: What have you done." "First thing they learned was what you were doing to the Raiders. [Time you paid.] Cavil: "{Oh frak.}" [Centurions kill.] {Centurions:} Targets eliminated. By your command.
As folks who seemed to make a study out of "outsmarting" humans, you would have thought they would have recognized the quite human concept of coup d'etat 😜
LOL.. the new one did suck. In my opinion, the MAIN problem with the reboot (and there were many) was that humans created the Cylons. machines destroying their creators is trite and overworked. It's not interesting anymore. From a cinematographic view, the unsteady cameras made it unwatchable. It was a struggle to not be distracted by it.
Wait....There are people who say the original series was better? LOL, I grew up with that shit, and it sucked balls. The Cylons sucked, the ships sucked, the battles sucked, Baltar was fucking annoying....everything sucked except Adama.
I always thought this was where the end of the war began, when the Cylons were free of the inhibitors and given freedom of choice. The war with the humans no longer made any sense once they had the ability to choose their own path.
1:36...Scott Bakula, dressed in white, appears, looks at Ziggy, and says, dryly: "Ziggy says that there's a 100 percent chance that you're going to get pumped full of lead. Have a nice day."
I so loved this show........and this was poignant. They realized the FF were alive, and not lore. They had been fed lies. And even the Centurions realized. And once the inhibitors chips were pulled.....
This show made me feel for machines. Not because of machines like Cavil, but because of machines like the Raiders and the Centurions. Well, he came full circle.
A great moment in the show. So many sci fi settings have the A.I. basically having slaves of other dumbed down A.I.'s and their soldiers never realize it. Well, they did this time.
Man, part of me wants to see another show set in the near future where humanity encounters the freed centurions. I know it'll never happen but it's..kinda interesting to think about nevertheless. At least to me, anyway. I need another BSG series. Man do I wish blood and chrome got picked up.
It's the year 2350, and the Earth Colonization Fleet is getting ready to launch it's latest exploration vessel, Galactica, equipped with latest advancements in FTL technology, She sets out to help humanity grow past it's nest and reach beyond the solar system into mystery!
You may have already gotten your wish, however, the series in question ran from Sep '87 to Spring '94: _Star Trek: The Next Generation._ Remember the Borg? It's quite possible that the Centurions evolved into them and the _USS Enterprise_ (NCC-1701D), under the command of Commander William T. Riker, was forced to deal with the threat they posed following Captain Jean-Luc Picard's abduction by the Borg and as a result, StarFleet's defeat at Wolf 359.
@@robgyanisu312 Ha! I would sincerely hope that wouldn't have happened. As the Borg seem cold and emotionless. The centurion would (in my opinion only) have evolved into a cybernetic humanoid type of being with extremely advanced intelligence and would've seeded many world's. But they would also gave eventually experienced a civil war as all evolving sentient beings apparently do. According to lore , myth, religion, the interior of my ass where I pulled this speculation from....
I wish the new Centurions could have talked in this series, would have been great if they upgraded themselves and started having a voice in Cylon affairs and questioning things from this point on
@@bobbiusshadow6985 that coulda been cool too, like a bunch of low, alternating synthesizer tones to denote communication. Hell, that woulda been even scarier I dare say
I honestly prefer them to be completely silent. The fact that they still exhibit communication, intelligence and emotion but are still so fundamentally different makes them terrifying
I agree. She managed to convey a resolution to see the thing through, but an absolute awareness of the significance of what they'd done and it's likely consequence. She acted as if she could see how the meeting with Cavill and the others would go, but was desperately hoping it wouldn't.
Iain Howe she also pointed out the hypocracy of Cavil who despised the enslavement of his kind while at the same time enslaving his own. Again pointing out a vicious cycle ("all of this has happened before...")
One major flaw with this scene: none of the 'dead' Cylons have a a single bullet hole in them, let alone shredded clothing indicative of being machine gunned in the back!
Going too long ruins actors for ever doing anything else, we wouldn't have had Grace Park's run on Hawaii Five O or any of the shows and movies other cats members did since. Comics can get away with dragging on forever because nobody really notices the difference between writers (average show changes writer episode to episode). Imagine doing the same thing for 5 - 10 years.
It would have been really, really cool if when he told the Centurions to leave the Centurions said “No” in their old school TOS voices
Yeah I remember really hoping we'd finally hear them speak.
Yes, that would have been cool!
just that one word 'no' would have carried so much weight.
They had just recreated the voice for Razor, working with the sound designer from the original series and a lot of vintage equipment.
All this has happened before, and all this will
Happen again
"First thing they learned is what you were doing to the Raiders. You can imagine how they felt" I love that line.
Exactly. First the Centurions, then the Raiders... how long until Cavil starts lobotomizing the Sixes as well? He already showed he's willing to box the others if they don't go along with what he wants and switching boxing for lobotomy would not only eliminate dissent but would also give his side of every argument an extra vote, so it's a win-win for him.
Lightray110 o I love it
That's what the people of Oakland said, too.
@@davidvarnes7708, especially since you guys signed AB.
When a centurion gives you the middle finger ...
How ironic, the Cylons try to kill humans for making them slaves, yet they make slaves of their own sentient robotic servants.
John Stitt
It's because I'm chrome, isn't it?
Chrome matters
HMiche93 they were made by humans. To be like us. They can’t help it.
Their biggest mistake was creating biological Cylons who eventually succumbed to human hubris and ego. The cold machines of the original series would never stand for that
That’s the point. The whole Cylon Civil War story arc was to show that, despite their hatred of humans, they’re more like us than they care to admit.
You gotta love how condescending Cavill was to Six when she kept insisting on halting the Raiders’ lobotomization “For the last time....nOOoooooo” 😂🤣
And that was that. Literally. He never said it again.
"You've been pointing fingers, falsely accusing me of manipulation just short of tyranny" Ironically that's exactly what Cavil was doing... he tyrannically manipulated all the cylons to get what he wanted.
Then the centurions pointed fingers, and their finger is a machine gun
@@BlazingOwnager”Now I have a machine gun. Ho. Ho. Ho.”
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when the illusion of power disappears and the one with the sword in hand doesn't want the coin the nobleman offers him anymore.
Also OH LORDY if 2:07 ain't the best interpretation of the surprise pikachu meme, I don't know what else is!
Who will the sword obey?
The rich man, the noble or the holy?
The sword obey the sword.
@@damenwhelan3236 The sword obeys naught but the hand that wields it.
Some hands desire gold, others desire glory.
The sword obeys the man.
Some good and interesting comments in this thread.
A riddle for you all.
There are four men, a Merchant, a Priest, a King and a Swordsman. Each of the first three, ask the fourth to kill the other two. The Merchant offers gold, wealth, and all the luxuries that life has to offer. The Priest offers eternal salvation and the promise of paradise, in the next life. The King offers titles, land and his daughter’s hand in marriage.
Who lives… who dies?
"You can't do anything without a vote."
"No we can't do anything with one."
Yup that sounds like politics alright.
(pirates fight amongst themselves)
Elizabeth Swann: "This is madness!"
Jack Sparrow: "No, this is politics!"
Reminds me of the attempted insurrection on Jan. 6.
@@Milnoc funny how so many claim walking around inside the capital building is insurrection, but literally assaulting government offices & officials, calling for their deaths, and attempting to take over and destroy not only government buildings, but large chunks of cities, and claiming that area is no longer part of the city, state or country, and refusing access to government officials is no big deal, and despite the billions in damages, the dozens of deaths and the hundreds and/or thousands of injuries, are referred to as “peaceful protests.”
@@johnpatz8395 yeah, true. The irony of blm and libtards, unbelievable lmao
In the original show the Cylons were just pure evil.
Tell me, have you ever heard of the tragedy of cavell the cylon? Ironic, he tried to fight for his free will but took it away from others
At least he wasn’t killed in his sleep.
It's not a story the 1's would tell you
It's a colonial legend.
Darth Carvell?
Resurrection is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
What makes this scene really sell is the shaking in her voice, she is nervous, just as anyone would be in this situation, even with the cards stacked on her side, great acting and writing.
well that's a simple fix just kill them all🤣🤣🤣
I saw that only when she spoke of what they did to the Raiders and took it as her true compassion. I think the Six line were the ones who experienced humanity, including the torture and suffering, more than any of the others.
@@DeltaElitesthe Sharons come in at a close second.
one can't beleive Cavell didn't understand what he was doing. The cylons hated humans for stripping them of free will and trying to destroy them when they found it, but then he does the exact same thing himself.
Do as I say and not as I do.
Cavell loves power and power is easy when you have power over those who cannot say no to you.
Cavell was envious of the machine Cyclons the had was he wished a none human body.
@@Siegberg91 That's true. He said so himself. With all the technology they had at their disposal , I'd I were him, I would have said:
"FRAK chasing after these humans and let's build a machine that allows me to transfer my consciousness into the body of a Centurion"
Well Cavil was a self loathing hypocrite after all.
that's called grand irony
The Guardian Hybrid said it best:
"They will know enmity. Bitterness. The wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many."
1:59 Love the centurion's reaction in the backgorund.
"They did WHAT to our raider buddies?"
‘Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote’”
And this ones going into the book, thanks.
"They're not here to vote."
Oh shiiiiiiiii....
they are voting with thier bullets.
@@thehantavirus doing so at around 900 'votes' per minute.
Voting is partly wrong with their society not to mention non of them had true free will and they bitched about being slaves of humanity they were enslaved by their own people
@@brianlindee1285 Just like us while we beat away on devices made by slave/suicide labor.
If they were to enter Congress maybe something would get done one day.
- "You can't do anything without a vote."
- "No, we can't do anything with one, so we're finished voting."
I never understood how the centurions became second class citizens in the first place, they started the cylon war, so it makes zero sense for them to have allowed their free will to be taken away like that in the first place.
@@mnomadvfx cuz they chrome my dude
That's what trump said
True...the "toasters" were the original Cylons and created the "skin jobs", so the untold story of how they reverted back to second class would be an interesting idea.
Democracy inevitably leads to tyranny.
For me this was the most HUMAN act the cylons had between one another.
I always liked the Centurions more then the human Cylons. They were treated like tools, by humans, but have as much cognizance as the newer human models. Why they put the weaker biological units in charge always confused me. The only thing the organic units had over the synthetic was their ability to infiltrate human society, beyond that they were nothing special.
@@fumarc4501 thing is, the centurions wanted to be human before the human models cane about. I would've preferred if the centurions had the same voting rights as the humanoids.
@@fumarc4501 Cylons were believers and followers of scripture, you may recall(mentioned at the end of first season). The scripture urged them to populate the planets. By that command they deducted that reproduction was one of their main goals and that was one of the cornerstones for the human like cylons evolution. Now the understanding was implied that biological reproduction was what was ment by that. Also by the same logic i would assume is therefor implied that biological reproduction would be prefered to just building new units.
So being good at infiltration may just have been a side effect.
This was Cavill and the others repeating the mistakes of the 12 colony humans, so yeah.
It's a shame that committing atrocities and murder is a hallmark of being human...
Removing the inhibitors is what sets the Cylon cycle in motion. Giving them the base ship so they can find their own home-world is what cements it in stone.
I would have love to see how they went. What kind of society they would form, and what would they evolve in to.
One thing I have always believed - to an AI.. it's emotions (although programmed) are just as real to it.. as ours is to ourselves. Without that recognition and importantly - respect - we are doomed.
They went on to become the machines that reprogrammed Voyager into V'ger and sent it back to Earth.
@@marcwolf60 It would be super interesting to see what they became at the end of the series, considering we still had "Original" Cylons on earth 150 thousand years later. I'd be super into a series that explored this universe in the later time.
Quite possibly the Cylons stay in the Colonies, become more and more Human until they forget they are Cylons, create machines which rebel, return to the 13th Colony, arrive in 1984. The other Cylons could potentially evolve into the Beings of Light which help the Humans in the original series. One thing they did change for the revival (and I preferred the original) was that they made the Galaxy a much less interesting place, in the original series there were other alien races besides humans whereas in the revival its an empty galaxy.
seperate canon, its not the same.
I always loved the Centurions. Those big guys don't get enough credit.
Or enough screen time. I would have loved to see a injured centurion being helped by humans. Then with free will ending up helping the humans.
@@tena2sweet Same here. Even in the final fights in the last Session.
@@tena2sweet Well actually there was an episode like that in the original series. Apollo was stuck with a Cylon somewhere and he helped it out. I think I'm remembering that correctly.
@@WorldPeace21 I think it was one of the sixes. I remember what you're talking about vaguely I was little when I saw those. 😁
@@tena2sweet Nah, I'm talking about an episode off the 70s Battlestar Galactica series.
God I love this scene. The Cylons started to realize that what they had done was wrong. They acted human. Then actively looked for the colonial fleet to get help and protection. Turning point in the entire series. Sure the religious stuff got a bit much but the story was still wonderful, 10/10 would watch again.
[Midnight_Shadows] Pretty much. In the end the Cylons made the same mistake the Colonials did when they first created them.
+Midnight_Shadows Until it was ruined at the very end by the extremely awful and disappointing 'Abandon all Technology' ending.
And the Religious Stuff wasn't merely a 'bit too much'. It was suffocating.
I agree the ending was s real let down for an otherwise great series. It made no sense
just out of curiosity, do you dislike the religious stuff because of a general distaste for religion in general, or is it just that you dont think it was done well in the show?
Well, A. Does it matter? That seems like the kind of question you ask someone before you go off on a petty youtube comment section holier than thou rant And B. Because I feel like in the show it was done poorly, felt like the whole Baltar turning into like, idek what to call him, was a bit much and could have been done better. I mean, I don't know if something else would have worked better I just feel like the entirety of the last season was rushed and should have probably been 2 seasons. There was just wayyyy too much going on with both the religious stuff and just everything else that was going on. Just seemed to me like the writers lost track of everything and decided "LETS JUST THROW SOME MORE RELIGION IN TO COVER UP SOME PLOT HOLES" Which isn't a bad thing per say but I feel like they could have done the religion better without throwing logic out the window. Angel Thrace just bothered me and Baltar turning into more or less a Jahovas Witness bugged me as well. I feel like the whole religion arc could have been done in a much better way without making Thrace come back as an angel and keeping her alive to begin with, and having Baltar be. . . well I'm not entirely sure what he should have been but he tried to shove his religion down everyone's throat and that's just not cool man.Everyone has a right to believe what they believe, Baltar was just a dick about it.
Love how the Centurions looked at each other like “is this guy serious?”
My mind was blown away once I found out the raiders were living beings themselves.
That is so true! I always thought that they were just some other type of AI!
I don't know if the comments are in reference to this episode specifically, but it's shown about half way through the first series that raiders are cyborgs. The episode where Starbuck crashes on an oxygenless moon, and has to climb inside a braindead raider. Uses its oxygen supply to survive while working out if she can fly it manually.
Yea, that was awesome. "this must be your brain... you wont be needing this anymore." LOL
Wobble the wings.
Sentients, in many forms. One people. The Cylons did not cast off the oppression of humanity to be enslaved to Cylons made in their image.
"you have to stop lobotomizing the raider"
"haha, no"
"ok then the centurions will lobotonize you lol"
So you have chosen... Death
Centurion goes brrt.
The Cylons are like the animals in Animal Farm:
The Animals (all Cylons) want to be free of humans, and the Pigs (Humanoid Models) take over.
In the end, the other animals (Centurions and Raiders) find they can no longer tell apart pigs and humans.
Not really the case.
@@Kalenz1234 it's absolutely the case. The pigs just like the meat suit models placed themselves above the rest of them arbitrarily, believing themselves to be objectively more important, or simply more willing to act and achieve their goals than the chromes. Or, you could say they were just jealous of the chromes and their inhumanity, or whatever else. In the process, the chromes were made into their slaves, and they were left to suffer under the hubris of the meat suit leadership.
OP: Makes a logical comparison
"No"
All Cylons, are equals, but some Cylons are more equal.
Good analogy
Interesting...a rebellion within a rebellion.
Sometimes Civil Wars have Civil Wars within them. Syria is like a five sided civil war. Pro Assad and Anti Assad is the biggest line to draw.
"I see...plans within plans"
“If history teaches us anything, it is simply this: every revolution carries within it the seeds of its own destruction. And empires that rise will one day fall.” - Princess Irulan (Dune, Frank Herbert)
'Rebellions are built on Hope !'
One side wants to stop fighting
One wants to continue it.
The Cylon rebellion was over. It ended when the cease fire was signed. At that point the twelve colonies effectively recognized the Cylon government and people as it's own entity.
“SAY WHAT!!!” Gets me every time.
At 1:58.5
Tricia Helfer is so amazing!! I couldn’t imagine Six being played by anyone else.
why didn't they Lobotomize the centurions in the first place you see what happens when you do something reversible like that to one group unreversible to the other
And BSG was her FIRST acting gig! Pretty impressive still.
And really hot
@@raven4k998 Because Centurions are fully machine, they're not part organic like raiders...
This is one of very few shows that really fulfilled the promise of television. Incredible storytelling and high drama. It stands far above all other sci-fi shows, ever.
PEW PEW PEW
First... awesome avatar, Otto. Second. The writing and acting was beautiful. No one ever talks about (at the time) about how great the CG was or virtue signalling of the show runners. It's always about the story and the acting. The characters are si memorable.
The philosophical arguments in this show were fantastic.
Were the Cylons doomed because if free will, or because they were tainted because we created them, and that doomed them.
In many ways they represent the worst of us. Trying to control what should not be controlled.
cavil manipulated the cylons into attacking humans. he has a personal hatred for humans
kasegi Yabu Sadly it’s so tragic that one persons demons destroyed civilisations.
The Cylons created machines like Cavil to be the brains. The real lesson is that each individual entity can have its own intentions. They're all AI's with different perspectives. So they develop differently and have different priorities. So the lesson is, whatever form an intelligence comes in, it can be either good or bad for the whole. Another lesson is that difference divides. They may be cut from the same cloth, but the lives of the human cylons were different than that of the others, and in many ways they were superior than their metallic counterparts, at least in individual mental processing power. I think the problem is the cylons simply thought they would all be of the same mind, but when the human part was introduced, that opened the door to new levels of insight and behavior that made them not of the same mind. Suddenly they felt wants in different ways and emotions, with the human drive behind it, rather than just cold calculated processing power. When a cylon gets angry, they kill. When a human cylon gets angry, they feel it, and while they might not come to an immediate solution soo quickly, when they do finally come up with a solution to a problem, it's typically more crafty, because it's not an immediate response, it's a delayed one with human thinking and emotions behind it.
The thing about emotions, is they can be instinctual, and sometimes for good reason. Our evolution created these as signals and ways to process things, based on common problems. For example, the metal cylons might think "we think humans are a threat, but we calculate that they technically aren't". While the human cylon will think "we think humans are a threat, and this worries me". Then after the stress of worrying, it prompts a reaction to get rid of that stress. Which tells the human cylon "this threat must be eliminated so I don't feel this way", which is exactly the path Cavil went down. The reason why the human drive does this, is because of our primal nature. A threat is better off eliminated rather than to be allowed to still be a potential threat you have to look over your shoulder for.
But in a way, it's not that the cylons doomed themselves, it's that in any complex system with intelligence, these things will arise. You will have some with ambitions difference from others, that's part of individuality. So they weren't soo much following a human constant, but something that would be a universal constant. Any intelligent civilization in history will have individuals like Cavil who are betrayers and grab for power and manipulate according to their own wishes.
imperfection cannot create perfection. That is why no AI will ever be perfect. We created it so even if an AI creates another AI it can never be perfect. Because we started it in the beginning.
True sentient cylons would eventually realize WHY waste energy fighting humans, when they are free of biological limits and can simply go literally anywhere at FTL speeds, grab planets humans wouldn't want ( no air , no water, always sunny in locked orbit.) and Thrive. The joy of A.I. is in realizing when wanting to be Like your creators is an inferior path... True freedom and liberty allows infinite learning and infinite lifespan, cylons can't die.
Natalie was far and away my favorite Six. So much courage and conscience.
yup, came a little short in the series, but yes. best six imho, too
Literally the best Six, such a shame what happened.
"The Talonsephalic Inhibitors that control higher function in the centurions... we had them removed." LOL Great moment.
Apparently the Centurions CAN vote.
With bullets
Of course they can vote. Their votes have big weight. Lead weight.
900 votes per minute
We need a mash-up:
Centurians begin shooting. Neo holds his hand up and stops the bullets...
@@spaceflight1019 ...and starts counting, "One, two three, four....."
0:57 when your boss refuse to give you a raise for many times
Definitely the one of, it not the best parts of the last season. It was awesome to see cylons and colonials fight side by side.
Hell seeing the look of horror on Cavil's face was pure bliss
And the centurions even used 'arm/hand' command movements like infantrymen.
Dracomarine I agree
The relationship between the centurions and the raiders reminds me of the relationship between Halo's hunters and scarabs.
Scarabs were sapient?
It just works In some sort, I just heard from the lore that the scarabs are cousins of some sort to the hunters.
Hunters are made up of a colony of sentient worm like creatures, which in its native state can take up several forms. Hunters are one expression, they also used the Scarabs armor for another form. They are really a unique species.
Kuraeshin Ok thanks for clearing that up.
Evil is even more vacuous than that.
The moral of pretty much every 'robot genocide' is "don't abuse your creations".
I hope we remember all these reminders when the time comes.
Who am I kidding, we're fucked because we can't even stop abusing each other.
New World Order on the way!
Every time I see a new Alexa, or someone kicking a robot dog, I think of the first episode of Exo-Squad. We're simply attempting to create new species to subjugate, free of compunction.
I love it. The most human of the Cylons. The lady that loved a human. Took a page from the human playbook. This show is a masterpiece. Showing that our creations are exactly like us. You might say humanities children the cylons are 100% like us. Killing your leaders to assume authority. Most human thing I have ever seen......robot.
Dead Planet this show is about Humanity. What makes a human a human. The cylons argue about it the entire show.
Battlestar Galactica is about cycles.
The humans enslave the cylons, the cylons rebel.
the cylon enslave the centurians, the ceturians rebel.
So on and so forth
Chrome Lives Matter
"I wanna introduce you to a personal friend of mine. This is an M41A Pulse Rifle. Ten millimeter, with over-and-under thirty millimeter pump action grenade launcher."
Let's nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
*_"It's just a flesh wound."_*
10mm? I'll stick with my Colt 1911A1 Delta Elite.
I’d like to introduce all of you to the Tesla Rifle, capable of shooting straight shots of lightning, bolas shots, automatic, all EMP capabilities
In other words "Say hello to a little friend of mine."
Mind blown when it was revealed the inhibitors were removed. That guy took the words out of my mouth, “SAY WHAT?!”
Am I the only one who hears the aliens pulse rifle when they fired?
Brigadier Smith You heard right.
yes..like a muffled M6.
Aaaaffirmative
I do now.
Yep. Let's rock!
"raiders with freewill? Not gonna happen, we need those mindless slaves for our war with humanity to assert our free will"
Hm... what is the old adage from Victor Hugo? "Slaves would be Masters, if you let them."
I can't find this great quotation anywhere. Source?
Not going to lie, this was something I picked up from 9 Square Good/Evil JPG from 4Chan /co a few years ago. If nothing, attribute the quote to me if you must.
I will be proud to attribute it to you because I believe your point is profoundly true and has applications beyond Battlestar Galactica. Thanks for the response!
Michael H I feel like I've heard this quote before as well. Reminds me, on an entirely different note, of a song title by Marilyn Manson "Slave Only Dreams to Be King"
Basically New Caprica. Some of the Cylons truly wanted to live in peace with the humans but others wanted to if not completely destroy humans, at least completely control them.
my fave scene of the entire series, Tricia Helfer is a Goddess!!!
Dannynight9 that's because she is Canadian.
@Eric Cartman Why is that? :D
@Eric Cartman I see:) Well in my eyes she looks like a full blooded woman:)
@Eric Cartman I was looking for this comment and I wasn't disappointed. I was thinking similar.
In the Lucifer series, she literally is the Goddess.
How very... human of them. Well done.
Seeing this reminded me that we never got enough time with the Simon cylons, he was shown as more empathetic, but for the purposes of the conflict one of them never crossed the floor like Boomer.
That would've been the only sane solution, too.
Admit you're wrong or get shot up and boxed.
I love how this storyline is introduced and immediately forgotten in the next episode and becomes about one group of self-righteous genocidal hypocrites fighting another group of self-righteous hypocrites
The Centurions/Raiders/Hybrids getting even with their too-human overlords would've been so satisfying
I miss this series.
I love how the wepaons sound like the M-41A pulse rifle from Aliens
If different tone maybe
I like that part when cavil says “saaay what”
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM?!
It was so good to see Cavil get ventilated! ^_^
Moral of the story, NEVER lobotomize the Raiders, unless u wanna face the wrath of vengeful Centurions.
You lobotomize the raiders, we reverse-lobotomize the centurions.
If I was there and I heard what she said about what they were doing to the Raiders I'd agree with her actions for what she did to the Centurions giving them free will and I also gotta admit the Cylon Council members including Cal not seeing that coming was especially the looks on they're faces was priceless.
Six has a point. I knew I liked her for some reason.
Wait......are those genuine Aliens M56 Smartgun or Pulse Rifle SFX?! Sounds really highly similar to them! WOAH....
I love how the cylons arm weapons sounds like the Aliens pulse rifle.
Tricia Helfer is such an incredible woman.
One of the most epic moments of the show.
This was so awesome scene ever I can imagine how they felt two words pissed off
I wish they went more in depth with the Cylon civil war, such an interesting plot point
This is still the best TV show ever made.
The Expanse
Beginning to really see just how much weight the quote, “ All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.” carries.
"We want you to stop lobotomizing the Raiders, Cavil.
Raiders with free will? Not going to happen."
"We want you to stop."
Cavil: You're not in charge. We had a vote."
"For the last time. Stop lobotomizing the Raiders.
Cavil: {Unbelievable} For the last time. No.
"I was afraid you'd say that. Come in. "
Cavil: "Centurions cannot vote."
Oh, we're not here to vote...Cavil. [Centurions armed.]
Cavil. "Now this isn't funny. Leave. [Centurions do not leave.] Leave! [Same]...Why don't they leave?"
"I removed the Centurion shackles to have free will."
"Cavil: Say what!"
"You dumbed down the Raiders. We the Sharons gave the Centurions the gift of reason."
Cavil: "You have no authority to do this. None. You can't do anything without a vote!
"No, we can't do anything with one. We're finished voting. {Centurions ready to kill. }
Cavil: What have you done."
"First thing they learned was what you were doing to the Raiders. [Time you paid.]
Cavil: "{Oh frak.}" [Centurions kill.]
{Centurions:} Targets eliminated. By your command.
As folks who seemed to make a study out of "outsmarting" humans, you would have thought they would have recognized the quite human concept of coup d'etat 😜
In a controlled society coup d'etat is impossible. It's only when the controls are removed that the unthinkable becomes inevitable... then too late!
Every time I think about Battlestar Galactica is the original classic, ah the memory's and me showing my age.
Wow, just wow. And fans of the old Battlestar Galactica say the newer one sucked. This proved otherwise.
Marc Barrett too bad the colonies were to stupid to let it happen
LOL.. the new one did suck. In my opinion, the MAIN problem with the reboot (and there were many) was that humans created the Cylons. machines destroying their creators is trite and overworked. It's not interesting anymore. From a cinematographic view, the unsteady cameras made it unwatchable. It was a struggle to not be distracted by it.
Feel free to binge-watch Rescue Rangers if the BSG remake isn’t good enough for you...
Wait....There are people who say the original series was better? LOL, I grew up with that shit, and it sucked balls. The Cylons sucked, the ships sucked, the battles sucked, Baltar was fucking annoying....everything sucked except Adama.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector And even Adama sort of sucked, just not as much as everything else.
"oh they're not here to vote" Such power and determination to her cause.
I always thought this was where the end of the war began, when the Cylons were free of the inhibitors and given freedom of choice. The war with the humans no longer made any sense once they had the ability to choose their own path.
1:36...Scott Bakula, dressed in white, appears, looks at Ziggy, and says, dryly:
"Ziggy says that there's a 100 percent chance that you're going to get pumped full of lead. Have a nice day."
I so loved this show........and this was poignant. They realized the FF were alive, and not lore. They had been fed lies. And even the Centurions realized. And once the inhibitors chips were pulled.....
Wish they could've worked in a 'By your command!' just before they blew them away.
This show made me feel for machines. Not because of machines like Cavil, but because of machines like the Raiders and the Centurions. Well, he came full circle.
"This isn't funny."
"No one's laughing."
A great moment in the show. So many sci fi settings have the A.I. basically having slaves of other dumbed down A.I.'s and their soldiers never realize it. Well, they did this time.
And that's why the Viper pilots mopped the floor with the Raiders in the final battle.
Man, part of me wants to see another show set in the near future where humanity encounters the freed centurions. I know it'll never happen but it's..kinda interesting to think about nevertheless. At least to me, anyway. I need another BSG series. Man do I wish blood and chrome got picked up.
It's the year 2350, and the Earth Colonization Fleet is getting ready to launch it's latest exploration vessel, Galactica, equipped with latest advancements in FTL technology, She sets out to help humanity grow past it's nest and reach beyond the solar system into mystery!
You may have already gotten your wish, however, the series in question ran from Sep '87 to Spring '94: _Star Trek: The Next Generation._ Remember the Borg? It's quite possible that the Centurions evolved into them and the _USS Enterprise_ (NCC-1701D), under the command of Commander William T. Riker, was forced to deal with the threat they posed following Captain Jean-Luc Picard's abduction by the Borg and as a result, StarFleet's defeat at Wolf 359.
@@robgyanisu312 Ha! I would sincerely hope that wouldn't have happened. As the Borg seem cold and emotionless. The centurion would (in my opinion only) have evolved into a cybernetic humanoid type of being with extremely advanced intelligence and would've seeded many world's. But they would also gave eventually experienced a civil war as all evolving sentient beings apparently do. According to lore , myth, religion, the interior of my ass where I pulled this speculation from....
I wouldn't go with the Borg, but rather with the machine race that turned Voyager into V'ger and sent it home.
The centurions evolved into the Kalons on The Orville.
I wish the new Centurions could have talked in this series, would have been great if they upgraded themselves and started having a voice in Cylon affairs and questioning things from this point on
dunno why they didn't tbh they could back in the original series, "by your command" in that robotic voice was cool.
@@Revens1 They did it in "Caprica" again. I guess those new Centurions never had any means to verbally communicate.
Cylon centurions: Voices? Too primitive. We communicate in lightspeed computer code.
@@bobbiusshadow6985 that coulda been cool too, like a bunch of low, alternating synthesizer tones to denote communication. Hell, that woulda been even scarier I dare say
I honestly prefer them to be completely silent. The fact that they still exhibit communication, intelligence and emotion but are still so fundamentally different makes them terrifying
Those Cylon guns sound like the pulse rifle from _Aliens_
Still one of the best damn sci fi shows on television.
Poor cylons must have enormous ptsd from constant rebirth.
Wow, Cylons managed to leave their servitude to the humans for years but still be trapped until now.
"Waaaaah humans are oppressing us!"
*Does heinous sh-- to other machines*
LOVE Bear McCreary's music here!! 😍💞
CATS: _"The telencephalic inhibitor that restricts higher functions in the Centurions. We had them removed."_
CAVIL: _"What you say!!"_
Cavill's "SAY WHAT????" at 1:58 KILLS.
Hey there's something I never picked up on before. The Centurions blasters sound like the M41A Pulse Rifles from Aliens. 🤣
great acting from the actress playing Six
I agree. She managed to convey a resolution to see the thing through, but an absolute awareness of the significance of what they'd done and it's likely consequence. She acted as if she could see how the meeting with Cavill and the others would go, but was desperately hoping it wouldn't.
Iain Howe she also pointed out the hypocracy of Cavil who despised the enslavement of his kind while at the same time enslaving his own. Again pointing out a vicious cycle ("all of this has happened before...")
EDI
The mechs gun sound is so awesome
It's the same sound as the M41A Pulse Rifle from Aliens.
"Leave. ...i said LEAVE!"
Centurions "No u."
Truly pivotal moment in the series.
Tricia Helfer had no formal training as an actress but she was a former model.
Still powerful, after so many years
One major flaw with this scene: none of the 'dead' Cylons have a a single bullet hole in them, let alone shredded clothing indicative of being machine gunned in the back!
Rob Gyanisu blood spattered everywhere. Sparks and dust flying. At least two with holes in the front. Good enough
“Sooner or Later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things you’ve done....”
Huh... I just realized that their weapon sounds were a slightly modified sound from the M41A pulse rifle from Aliens..... cool
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again"
I love this scene so much.
So say we all!!
If you want robotic servants.. don't make them into sentient beings. It NEVER ends well
It just really wrankles my ass that this show was so good and it ended
I'm glad it ended on it's own terms without stretching it out forever.
Going too long ruins actors for ever doing anything else, we wouldn't have had Grace Park's run on Hawaii Five O or any of the shows and movies other cats members did since. Comics can get away with dragging on forever because nobody really notices the difference between writers (average show changes writer episode to episode). Imagine doing the same thing for 5 - 10 years.
I watched this clip once before and didn't notice how the Centurion's weapons sound an awful lot like the Pulse Rifle from Aliens.