Marzocchi Bomber Z1 vs Z2 | Which is best for you?
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Both the Marzocchi Bomber Z1 and Z2 ride great and offer a more reasonable price point than the super high end forks out there, but you might be having a hard time figuring out which is best for you. In this video Mike distinguishes the differences between both forks to help you figure out if the Bomber Z1 or Bomber Z2 is best for you.
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Just ordered a Z1 from you guys, so stoked! Just wish the red one had been in stock, but the color is the least of my worries. Ordered at 6am and my order was shipped like 2 hours later! Amazing!
Excellent comparison, had a bizillion questions about which one for a Mullet conversion on my Trance and this solved them, cant believe I haven't come across you guys yet. Right on, and great production!
This really helped decide on which fork to go with. Just placed an order for the Z1 29/27.5+ air fork at 140mm (44mm offset) for my Honzo ST build. Gonna try out a 27.5+ set up and I can always go back to 29 with ease.
Got me a Z2 over a month ago and what a difference from the old santour. Love the fork and gives me more confidence on the trails since it is very supportive. I have it on my HT Raleigh Tokul 3 with 120mm travel. Definitely recommend the Z2!
big difference from the Suntour XCR 32 Air? Same Tokul 3 here
Finally some z1 review.
I wish I could post a picture of my firebird 29 wearing a z1 coil down below. 5 clicks out rebound, medium spring, 180 wheight. Rode trail instantly more confident and trying to push it. Never got to use full travel. And I bought it from The Lost Co because these videos are so informative! Keep it up!
Was thinking the same thing the money I pay in currency exchange and duty offset by the priceless info
Great video man and the "your name here" had me lul'ing. As a lighter rider who definitely leans toward more aggressive riding I decided on a 140mm Z1 from my now 130mm Recon RL. The slight change in HTA isnt that big of a deal. 10mm doesnt mess with anything too much and just offers a little more protection for the hucks to flat. Also I think the GRIP damper is a better choice, THICC stanchions, more tuneable, and options for upgrades in the future... For 200 bucks? Seems worth it. After blowing out the Recon I think this is gonna be an awesome upgrade! Thanks for the help!
Honestly, I’m a morbidly obese dad with a salsa timberjack hardtail. I have had the 130mm z2 for about three months and couldn’t be happier. I ride all kinds of NorCal trails and couldn’t imagine better suspension. I got the black version and put electrical tape over the white writing, it’s clean.
keep it up bro, good on you for getting out and exercising, I know the struggle is real
cheers for the tip, I'm a big rider too (130kg/287lbs and 6'4") looking for a good fork and have been looking at these. thanks for the tip and happy riding. good on you mate!
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Just bought an orbea laufey 10 with the z2. I'm 6'3 325. Looking forward to this fork.
i might be going on a week long biking trip on orcas island next summer, so i am watching all you videos to knowledge myself
Thanks this was very a helpful vid, especially the 'grey area' info which was exactly my situation.
What a great smooth talker not one falter. Fantastic reviews
I have a Z1 and absolutely love it. Worth every penny
machyne82 my Z2 is better. And I’m really fat.
I wouldn’t start telling people the z2 is better if you’ve never tried a z1. I’ve tried both, much fathered the z1 for descending
Wow great explanation! Just bought a Z1
Love how u differentiate mtb stuff.
Personally, I think your analysis is dead on! Thanks for the info. Appreciate it!
I own the Z1 coil and love it. Might put a Z2 on the Wifes' bike, but it would have to be a Z2 COIL...
Im on the Clydesdale category - 230lbs with gear and the Z1 is just butter!!
Talking about suspension, it would be epic if you guys could make a suspension tutorial on the fox float x2 (like the vid on the grip2 fork)
This is not the place for your fox comment. Marzocchi or nothing lil guy.
@@ap1reviewsadventures96 you rite 🤟
I recently bought a Mid Range bike that comes with DVO Diamond D1 forks. I was hoping you could do a D1 vs. D2 review as not many DVO reviews out there.
what a great review! just a quick question, is there a big difference between Z1 Air and Coil when riding?
Thank you for this!
Thanks for watching Rich! -Tor
Very good review, and I confirm one very important information: over 140mm, the flex of the Z2 is an issue and you'd better go for a Z1. Moreover, the Z2 has a current problem of bushing play (cast bushing BTW, unreplaceable), and Fox doesn't propose any real solution to solve the problem. Read the multiples forums about that issue if you don't wanna be disappointed like I was. Cheers!
Exactly. Got a 2021 brand new one out of warranty and lasted two weeks. Getting back to mountain biking after 15 yrs it was a very unpleasant realisation both financially and emotionally. Fox was one of the most distiguished fork brands not so long ago. Now it is just something to avoid no matter what other brand name they put on. I tried to get in touch with Fox to see of there is any fix for the issue but never got a reply. I'm happily using a Rock Shox Lyrik now. I wish I knew this before
Ha Ha!!! I'm using a Lyrik as well to replace this crap. Red Ultimate found for 650€ on a german website. Could't afford a Fox but the Lyrik does the job. Cheers from France buddy! @@BT-mp5ne
Hey do you think you can do a video on a marzocchi z1 VS fox factory 36?
Being Canadian I can’t get over the constant use of “Zee 1 and Zee 2”. My friends and I have always called them “Zed 1 and Zed 2”. Otherwise, a solid review.
Well obviously Americans don't say zed lol. A weird thing to be nit picky about. I tend to be the opposite and appreciate when I hear differently pronounced words, like when someone from the UK says the word 'garage'
@stratgibson In Canada, the letter Z is pronounced Zed - even when we say our ABC's as children.
Which fork would you be best with? The Z1 or the Z2?? 🤔
Z1 for that longer travel!
I dont know what is considered a light or heavy rider but im 180 lbs and bought the 150mm Z2 for my DB Syncr. Wanted a beefier fork over the 140mm 32mm recon rl fork it came with. I mostly trail ride but do take it to the bike park sometimes.
190#, aggressive rocky terrain on HT made for a 140mm with 65* HA. Z1 or Z
Great explanation (again)! Whats the different with the Marzocchi Z2 Air Rail 3 and a bomber? Scott deliveres there Genius with the Marzocchi Z2 Air Rail 3 29'' in 150mm 44 offset. Is it possible to higher the travel to a 160 or 170mm? Thanks in advance
Hey Mike I have a 2018 Giant glory 2 and the stock Z1 on springs are really spongy for me. What do you think of Marzocchi-Bomber-58-275-2020 Air shocks? Do you think it would be a good swap?
My 160 Z1 IS AWESOME On My CF Warden Can't Wait To SuperCharge It😎
I got hands on a Z2 with 150mm travel from 2019.
Is there any technical difference between the 2019 and 2020 Version?
So I've just ordered a Vitus Mythique VRX with the Z1 40 mil travel . I weigh around 215 lbs , and will likely be riding pretty mellow terrain . Do you think I will need to use volume spacers or use more compression damping ?
I just perchanced a Rockey Mountain Altitude powerplay A30 coil and the Rockshox Domain is a crazy heavy fork. I'm thinking I my need to go with a Z1 170 air to match the Bomer CR coil out back...
Cold you please make a video with 37mm vs 44mm ( or 46mm) offset on a 27,5 enduro bike?
I ve a 46mm on my nomad and it feels like a young stallion with no manners. I would like to know if the bike would calm down with a shorter offset and if it is still alive and not dead with short offset.
Do I need to change spring in Z2 if I weight around 250?
Question: Grey area. I'm 250lbs, but I ride a Santa Cruz Chameleon 29er and SC has told me max recommended travel is 130mm (29er, but 140mm for 27.5). In this scenario should I be getting a Z1 and 36mm stanchions but exceeding travel recommendations? Then I affect HTA, BB height and STA right? Wouldn't it be better to stick to say 130mm and whatever size stanchions are available?
Can you drop the z1 to 100mm using a fox evol 100mm shaft?
But but I want a marzocchi z3 :(
z0 better
zerocool yes z0 with 38mm stanchions
@@ollydickinson2196 nah i think you mean 42mm
Meaning you'd be looking at a Manitou Markhor ...
I currently have a Rockshox Revelation on my hardtail, 130 on the travel. Anyone think it would be worth the upgrade to go to a 140mm Z2 ? Really digging that red color 🔥
I might of missed this but what width tyre will these fit?
oh wow, I bought a Sentier VR 27 which is arriving this coming Friday. It has the Z2. Would that mean this fork is not good for doing light jumps and drops?
which fork should I get if I am trying to progress my skill at mtbing. (I can already do jumps at around 2 feet)
Lost co is my favorite bike store and fanatik
Do you guys still offer shortening the travel on the Z1? You have a 150mm in stock that I want in 140mm.
Thanks
Hi can the z1 put the grip2 vvc damper?
Did you say you can modify a Z1 for 130mm or that they offer them in 130? I see the option on the Marzocchi site but no stock. I see stock on your site, but no 130mm option. Please clarify. What does the modification cost and would the for be moddable to the longer travel versions if I took it to a different frame?
You guys rock!! So what do you suggest for a trail rider who weighs 330lbs. I’m wanting to build a 29’r as my next bike.
Fox 36 with Grip 2. I have around 260lbs. My old bike had a Fox 34 and I had to put in max airpressure (120psi) for right sag. My new bike had stock a Fox 36 Grip damper. The 36 only needs 100psi for right sag. I am a really fast rider and on really gnarly terrain I went through travel. Bought a Grip 2 damper and I can ride the same terrain faster and need 2cm less travel. It feels also alot better than stock Grip damper.
My Marzocchi doesn't have the quick release. It has both sides sealed with a hex bolt. How I supposed to remove this wheel
Does the z2 have an emulsion damper?
What is a "heavier rider"?
I'm 6'5", 195 lbs.... Looking for a140 mm fork to put on specialized fuse 29 hardtail..
When do you think you will get a red z1 140mm instock?
How many volume spacers are people running on this fork? It came with 1 installed from stock but I added 2 more for now
Try to review the Manitou Mattoc pro pls
Nice fork 🤩
Hi can you put a 203mm disc rotor in the bomber z2 27.5
What does it mean with boost front wheel? TIA
does anyone know where to find a compatible thru axle for this?
Would a fox 34 grip damper fit in the z2?
Wow , so nice of them to reply .
This is perfect
thanks xx
Man i miss the marzocchi monster T
You guys have any idea how/if these forks work with the 2016 specialized fsr stumpjumper fattie? I have no idea if I have a boosted front rim.
Appreciate any repsones.
Just measure the current length between your dropouts. 110mm is boost and 100mm is nonboost
Surprised to not see these on any of the 2020 direct consumer brands bikes like commencal or yt. Wouldn't these be better for the budget aluminum models as the people looking at these bikes are looking to save a few bucks?
The only brand I have seen use them is Vitus, on their Sentier VRS and some of the Mythique models
has anyone put the long travel 27.5 uppers into the 26 lowers?
Can these fit 27.5+ tires 27.5x2.8?
Hi there buddy, I have a question for you, if I'm 210 lbs and I get the Z2 140mmm the question is, is not better to get the Z1 170mmm to balance my big weight with thw resistance of the bomber coil fork?, or it doesn't matter how weight people are?, greetings from Everett WA and Guadalajara Mexico
I’m 210 also and have a 2019 GT sensor and can run either 130 (51mm offset) or 140 (44mm offset)....I’m on the fence between the two. Don’t really ride too aggressive terrain but I’m a bit of a smasher (not great line choices on purpose sometimes)
What do you consider to be a "heavier rider"? I'm ~180-185lbs
What would you recommend for me? I'm about 140 pounds, an aggressive rider and I need about 130-140mm of travel. What do you think?
RockShox pike
Lyrik , zeb (zeb is the better if the 2)r if u got the cash a 38
All Z2 fork 29 ear are boost spacing?
Do they fit plus size tire
when you say spring version is 'super sensitive to small bumps' do you mean you feel the bumps more, or less?
Gerry Giese less
Shopping cart:
Bomber Z1 - Matte Black
Fox 36 Performance Elite decal kit
Fox 36 Air Cap
Fox Grip Damper Dial - Blue
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The z2 is like the 34 rythim and the z1 like the 36 rythim
Is there a straight tube version of the Bomber Z2?
no
Can the 27,5 version fit a 29er too?
Does this bike come with reflectors?
Seems very comparable to "Rhythm" series from Fox.
Marzocchi is Fox now.
@@tantemarianne6610 No really? Please do tell me more.
@@Pienimusta fox bought marzocchi a few years ago
how did you get a red Z2? Marzocchi says that red is for Z1 ONLY.......
They're a thing for sure! They're just made in lower numbers than the black Z2. However, we have them in stock 😎
Can the Z2 fit 2.8 tires for 27.5
Fortnite Man yes it’s what I have. Tons of clearance
I'd save a little more money and buy the helm air! That fork seems intimidating but its super easy to set up to feel how ever you want it to feel!
If my bike takes 27.5x3.0 tires, which model should I be looking at?
I had my mechanic look into that. I have HT Raleigh Tokul 3 and I'm running the Z2 with 120 mm travel on 27.5 x 2.8 tires. There's plenty of space for a 3.0 tire on this fork.
You simply buy the 29" version which is technically a 29"/27.5+ fork 😎
On the forks page on our website you can use the filter on the left to only show the 29/27.5+ forks @ thelostco.com/collections/forks
Z1 for $699 or the Z2 for $499 🤔....... What can I get for $89.99?
Is it true the only difference between fox 36 and z1 are just weight in metal used?
grip 2 damper and kashima also
@@trailfork7815 Not all 36 come with either.
@@Pienimusta yes but he is asking for other differences... factory series comes with kashima with either fit or grip damper
elite comes with black stanchions and either fit or grip
the closest thing to a z1 would be a elite series with fit damper
@@trailfork7815 Got some 2020 z1s with grip damper, just curious as there's like a $350 price difference. Doesn't make much sense to buy fox's stuff.
IMAIN SUPPORT i think a z1 would be closer to a elite series with a Fit Grip damper. With EVOL air spring.
I thought the difference was suspension travel? Like a 36 and a 34. Guess i was wrong
Edit: Nvm i was right, i wrote this comment before i watched the video
Hey the lost co I have a zoom fork is it a good fork?
dogshit
It’s not good at all man
i went from fox 34 150mm to the z1 170mm wort every penny
Sick
i have a 29" marzoochi bomber Z2 with 150mm of travel
do you recommend one over the other for a hardtail?
which hardtail? i have a honzo esd with a 63° head angle and the bomber z1 is the way to go
A specialized fuse 2019
Z2 can be adjusted to 140mm?
By swapping out the airshaft, you sure can!
What about the coil Z1❓
We have a video on that fork and we mention a few comparison points between the Z1 coil and air. I would recommend checking that video out.
What if you are a aggressive rider but a lighter rider
I would likely recommend a Z1. If you would like to chat more, please reach out to us via phone or email.
(360) 306-8827 // sales@thelostco.com
Hey mate do u know if the z1 can be upgrade with a grip2?
I'm pretty sure that, like the Fox Rhythm forks that these two are based off of, they can't be upgraded to the Grip2 damper or Evol Air Spring :(
@@Katastra_ damn
ua-cam.com/video/qRkuyj_B3Fk/v-deo.html
@@dntfakethefunk cheers mate
Was close to buy one.... Then I saw the price difference in Europe....
I’m broke Af and prefer the z2 price but weigh 160 lbs and ride mega aggressively.
Help!
Hunter Wright z1
Save more money. It’ll be worth it in the end.
Buy a used pike, Yari, lyrik or and older 36
Could you bump up a Marzocchi Z2 to 160mm in 27.5?
@@hunterwright386 Negative, and a 34mm stanchion at 160mm of travel will be pretty noodly in regards to flex. Save a little money and buy the Z1. Trust us 🤓
Damn i'm still riding a octane one zircus with a rockshox domain single crown 180mm lol
Chukito aren’t zircus’ dirt jumpers
@@jackshuttleworth6570 Yes they are
Chukito so you have a DJ bike with 180mm of travel🤔
@@jackshuttleworth6570 Yup. And I run even gears on it :D
i dont know how i got a z2 with 160 travel but its the dream
The Z2 maxxes out at 150mm. The stanchions on Fox and Marzocchi forks measure +10mm longer when measuring from the top of the dust wiper to the bottom of the crown. If you in fact have a Z2 and are measuring it at ~160mm, it is actually a 150mm fork.
@@TheLostCo oh ok thanks man
It went together easily in less than an hour. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
Definitely yes it is. And it would look really cool too.
-Tor
Its not the size of your stanchion its how you use it