Does Anyone ACTUALLY NEED This Quality for Sim Racing?
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- MME Simsport produces some of the most impressively engineered and visually striking sim racing hardware I've ever laid hands on, but do you actually need this kind of quality in a piece of sim racing hardware?
Today we check out their Handbrake, Sequential Shifter and H-Pattern+ Sequential Combo to see what you get for the money and if they're worth considering for your sim rig.
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TIME STAMPS:
Intro: 0:00
Important Information: 0:26
Pricing: 1:13
Hardware Overview: 2:29
Mounting: 11:17
How It Works/Internals: 15:51
Driving - Handbrake: 24:45
Driving - Sequential: 28:03
Driving - H-Pattern + Sequential: 30:28
Conclusions: 32:46
#simracing #shifter #handbrake - Ігри
Its amazing that people can make a business out of a shifter that costs as much a a 80/20 rig, but i suppose there is a market for it. It shows how far sim racing has come too.
As the fact of the matter, they aren't, their main source of income is making sequential shifter conversion kits and conversions. Some of the kits are "bolt on" actuators to the original gearbox and the additional gear that is needed, but they also make custom solutions for some insane TT, rally and Hillclimb builds.
And the sim racing part is just a side hustle, when the machines (CNCs etc) have enough down time to make a piece or two.
@@nejcmirtic529
Where do you get your information?
@@AttilaTheHun333333 Some of it is from a local rally store, and some of it is from the local website where you can check the state of a certain company. Given the fact that they are a small team of about 3-4 people, with well equipped workshop, since they have been doing the sequential shifter modifications for a few years already, so the decision to start makeing simracing gear was a great source of steady "low-effort/passive" income (you make that batch and sell that gear in the long run, vs working every day to produce the units/ install car mods like they normally do). But from a friend, I heard that the simracing gear was coming a good few months before it was publicly announced. And he said that the feeling is just amazing and very close to a feel of a real dog-box shifter.
Don't know the details on the ratios between sim and real racing gear, but I know that the simracing gear sales are going well. But given the fact that they had been doing car modifications before for a while, I implied in the previous reply that they must have been earning enough money to keep the operation going, otherwise the company would not still be operational. And from that concluded that the income from simracing is just a bonus (despite the fact that now they actually be making more money with sim gear).
In order to fit the H pattern to a rig, ~90% of the buyers would have to fabricate a mount for their 1 slot, 40x40 profile this would be mounted to (as shown in the video). Its a shame this hasnt been thought of, it'd be dead easy to fabricate and far simpler
Yep, while it's never going to be possible to suit every single rig, I do feel like although rigid, the solution provided is overly and unnecessarily complex.
100% Jan! My Fanatec H shifter actually slots directly to my side profile (TR160), the top being flush with the top of the profile. Wouldn't change such fitment for the world, that bracket looks like a big PITA.
The Heusinkveld HB also lets you bolt straight to profile, and is loadcell, which is something I'm looking to find an excuse to do - my Fanatec HB is pretty rubbish, unlike their shifter which is pretty decent as long as it doesn't lose calibration.
@@boostedmedia The mounting holes on the h shifter are fanatec shifter compatible (have the same hole arrangement as the club shifter)
The Bash Pro shifter is so sick. I hope you get your hands on one. I love it.
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the price of these. They look better, but the Bash Pro shifter is a whole different piece of kit. I'm on the waitlist, hopefully I get a slot in the next run
That h pattern better feel absolutely amazing for the price. After adjusting the tension of the fanatec with the hidden allen screw it is perfect.
That bearing really looks like the same size as used in skateboard wheels… (608ZZ)
Not mentioning this for any reason other than showing off that I know the code for skateboard bearings for some damn reason.
Beautiful design and build... quality!
This just makes me even more want to build a full ffb h+seq shifter.. you'd be able to swap gates if you wanted a gated ate or you could use a boot, could be a 2 speed (aka sequential), 4 speed, 5 speed, 6 speed, 7 speed easily, would grind if not matched for clutchless shifting/floating gears, adjustable neutral stiffness, cross gate stiffness, slot-in stiffness, slot in position, option for load cell knob for sequential for blipping (like real car) .. harder but on my list is adjustable throw without giving up actual movement as well as adjustable height and offset.. only downside is that no sims support most of the stuff I want to do thus requiring a lot of software support (and specific game support) to work.. seriously about to open solidworks and start printing although I'd probably need some motors because all I have on hand is giant odrive motors.. but most of this has been done diy already, I dunno why no companies haven't done this, maybe patent problems but I'm sure this could all be done with good quality for under 500$
william, my man, im going to need the playlist of the drum and bass tracks you have in your intro since they are so 🔥
They’re just royalty free tracks from epidemic sound
Too expensive, I would never consider any of those
This I would love to buy if I had the money to, it comes from a brand that literally makes gearboxes for racecars so they must've at least nailed the feeling of shifting a racing gearbox.
@@facundootero7973 Will literally said it doesn't have that precise mechanical feeling like in the car
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 Oh damnit
@@facundootero7973 it's just an overpriced shifter
The H pattern shifter looks alot like a retro toaster to me, all I can see now! 🤣
Jeez I'm quick! Wish I was as quick in the sim lol
I was interested in the H pattern, but the captive cable means it's a no go for me.
Any plans on trying out VR again with the Pimax Crystal?
Hi, love your videos... what mic do you use?
Sorry, I just got triggered because I think I've heard about this USB RX/TX not for the first time here. USB data lines do not use full-duplex communication; the data lines consist of a D+/D- differential pair, which is half-duplex (the same data goes on both lines in the same direction at any given time).😊
Really nice video, as always! 👍
You’re right. For some reason I was thinking TTL Serial. I was working on something else a few days earlier that was labelled VCC/GND/RX/TX so my mind went straight there. 😂
Valid correction.
Correct!
I have no idea why more companies don't try making H-pattern shifter with shift lock. It sounds like great and profitable idea for them. If I'm buying a shifter without the lock I would rather buy moza or some cheaper option than something in this price range or more expensive.
You mean the bash pro shifter.
Have you had a chance to review the Pro-Sim shifters? I've had the PSL SEQUENTIAL SHIFTER V2 for a while and have been very happy with it. Their H-Pattern Shifter looks amazing but it's out of my price budget
why is out of yoru budget if you are going pro-sim you are millionaire!
Ty, love seeing the new shit
I have the SG Shifter handbrake combo, cant fault it.. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Same. I really enjoy my set.
I’m in the market for a sub $1k h pattern shifter. I’ve thought about this one vs simvertex and I’ve even taken a look at the SRT gearbox, which is a far cheaper diy option but I’m not sure how it compares.
I think I replied to you on Reddit. Small world.
review the frex h-shifter. It is apparently modeled after the gear box in the 962c
id like to hear your thoughts on the Frex H pattern. I have one and I absolutely love it. It is also in the premium realm, not cheap and feature a clutch lock-out.
Clutch lock-out? What's that?
@@loutrie2945 cant shift unless you use the clutch
We need someone to do a Frex vs Bash pro comparison.
@@nicholascrow8133 I own a FREX and hate the wide gates and unless shift tension is adjusted for hard shifts it will tend to bounce out of gear a lot because the switches do not activate until the end of the gate so any play in the stick can cause the button to come out just enough to pop out of gear. If you shift into gear soft it tends to not happen but if you like slamming gears it will bounce out often enough to matter. I had a TH8A before FREX and the speed I could shift that thing without thinking about it was fun even though it felt like a toy. The FREX has a pretty good feel to it going from 3rd to 4th on light tension but shifting to the sides I feel like I am fighting around the gates to get into gear. A lighter centering spring might help this some but I think you would still feel the gates a lot. Wish I would of got the MME just for how smooth the gate is and the zero play in the stick. Bash Pro does look interesting but the tension on that thing looks really stiff and not to mention how loud it is if that matters to you. I like how it has zero play in the center spring even though I know I will hate the stiffness of it. The lockout feature is really cool and I love to float gears so having that immersion would be really fun but idk if it is worth it over having a smooth clean shift since that is what you feel the most. If you like a stiff shifter that feels like a dog box transmission than the Bash pro might be perfect for you.
Hi, I have bj shifter 3.0. Which is better ( more realistic) between this and sequential mode of h shifter mme for you?
Thx
If you really get a lifetime warranty (whatever that means nowadays) the value is there, from a pure material cost perspective I just don’t see the price reflected here.
That h/s shifter is very nice a little expensive for my liking but very nice. As far as hand brakes go, it just needs to be on and off and have a good feel to it. You want the hand brake to lock the rear wheels that's it.
If I could make a suggestion to your reviews on shifts tho will, talk about how loud they are you do so with wheel bases and other sim racing products but I've heard you talk about it with a shifter/hand brake.
I have to disagree. I have an analog (Aiologs) handbrake and it gives me much more control than something that's just on/off. That said, I can't see spending this kind of money on one. I can't understand spending crazy money on a sequential shifter either. It's just a stick attached to a couple buttons, really.
@angryginger791 mine is 64bit Amazon special does the job just fine yea there are times I don't pull it fully for control aspects but I see no advantage to a loadcell handbrake over a position based
@@02bluehawk Ok, I see what you're saying. Yeah, a load cell is a little over the top. This is for people who find $400 when they clean between their couch cushions though. LOL!
Did you already seen the V2 shifter and handbrake? Maybe it nice too review too
Im surprised you didnt know the fanatec shifter has an allen screw that allows you to adjust the tension
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17:10 logitech does this with g29 pedals and everyone rages. But on a $500 l33t simracer handbrake its totallly fiiine all good 😂
can you please find the cheapest siquential shifter you can find in australian money
Amazing products nothing more to add
As for reliability of the fanatec I have no say. But as their warranty is only 1 year after purchase. So lets say you need to break 3 of these in your life time to match MME lifetime support. That is the question of why you would want to consider this 800 dollar h shifter.
I'm just really perplexed by their decision to not have a removable/replaceable cable on such an expensive unit....
durability. an exposed jack is an extremely likely fail point. add that to the fact that they offer a lifetime warranty and it's an easy engineering decision to make.
Would love to know all the parts for a rig that you would get today if money wasn't an option for your perfect rig. There are so many options out there now. Rig, seat, steering wheel, pedals, shifters, screens, you name it. I wanna know what the best of the best is for everything, with money not being a concern
@donut could do a good hi low series based on sim racing products
But this is expensive more because of the business model than because of value for money. If thrustmaster made their shifters one at a time they'd be £500. It wouldn't make them better would it?
Anyone else think will looks like SVG on the rig in this video or just me? Haha😂
500 bux for a handbrake? Jeez.. i use a rod from a guitar stand taped to the brake pedal of an old wheel clamped into a snare stand. Works amazing. Anything more would have to be loke hydraulic or fully ffb where you can feel engagement plus load cell handle for centre diff release or clutch release 😂
Wtf it doesn't even have a load cell? So it's literally a shiny expensive version of what I diy'd 😂
For most people it's to expensive and won't make them faster on track but if you have the money and love high quality gear, it's a nice piece of engineering. Nothing the world needs at last 😉
no hate to sequential shifters but i wish there was more h pattern shifters thats the true manual experience other than real car ofc
Insane price. Makes no sense. Should be 250 EUR max. For combo variant around 450 EUR, no more than that.
Man you need to try the bash pro active h-shifter
I’m on the waiting list and was able to speak to one person who has one of these. They weren’t impressed and thought the lockout didn’t feel realistic and the the overall shifter feel through the gates wasn’t good enough at the price point. It sounded like a lot had been sacrificed for the lockout. At almost $1,100 I’d want a more mechanical feel, but I guess if this is a must have feature it is an option.
Have you tried it? I’m curious to hear opinions.
@@benjaminh1034 nope i just watch it on yt, i watch the review of Race Beyond Matters and he said its good
@@manuelberrocal4101 yeah, I actually first discovered it from his video. I’ll probably hold off until there’s more feedback. Lot of money to gamble with so many unknowns.
@@benjaminh1034 yeah, I don't even have the money, so I can tell you with all probability that I'm not going to buy it xD
@@benjaminh1034 I'm also on the waitlist, it's a tricky one, Frex do a shift lockout but that is h pattern only, and the bash pro has that weird reverse integrated into 6th gear. I'm hoping more reviews and user feedback come out before I get a slot, from race beyond matter's review it looks pretty good, tbh your the first story i've heard of someone hands on with one aside from that. There is the srt(?) gearbox but thats 3d printed and diy, which if fine, but I prefer a metal shifter...
Need? Probably not. Want? You bet! 🤣🤣🤣
Need vs want!
I'd buy a sequential shifter if I had endless money but never a h shifter. I've always found the clutch on any pedal setup stupid compared to what a real car feels like though.
Let me guess, you live in a country where 98% of people drive automatic cars and most people don't know how to use stick shift?
Like Need has ever mattered in Sim Racing! lol!
Live for speed video?
Design of the H pattern shifter is prone to short over time. Possible is that some slu small piece of Aluminium will fall on the pcb and can cause a short. They should at least cover the PCB.
TBH.... these top of the range controllers have a major flaw: it makes it exhausting 😂
Games are meant to be relaxing. I can't imagine spending hours on end pressing 90 KG load cell pedals, and wrestling a gear shifter like I'm fighting off a rabid dog.
No Ta. I'll stick with a G29 or a TM.
caster aluminum looks like,,
Nah for that price they enter the BDH H1 H-Pattern Shifter range but do not match the quality
So expensive... but if you play every day and its the only thing you buy for 10 years, i mean..
TLDR : Buy a cnc machine and you'll make ur money back in 100-1000 handbrakes.
This was more just done to flex and waste money, but at least you get your money's worth
400 euro ... I have Aiologs sequential shifter and I'm sure it is better than this one for half the price...
I have Aiologs too. Objectively it's not "better" than this in any particular way otehr than perhaps the smaller more convenient size and mounting. But its exceptional value for money! I've been running it on my daily driver rig for almost 3 years now.
400 for a handbrake 😅
it really got ridiculous
Wtf not having a connection is a DEAL breaker. Why would they do that? Such a foolish mistake
That's just ridiculous. There is no reason to spend that much money.
Look( hipole china ) very low Price
Fanatec does it all in one. I’ll pass:
Nice but no.
The cable made me not want this product.
lmao at those prices you just get a simvertex h pattern, a simagic sequential and something like a bjsteel handbrake, all of them quite superior choices imho
The law of diminishing returns.....
at that price it better work in a real car....
It's funny, People got into sim racing because it was cheaper then real motorsport, Now it almost is/or is the other way around. I mean my complete setup is now touch 20k+
Yeah it gets out of hand easily if you let it. Still a lot more accessible than real life motorsport though.
I’ve spent some time on motorsports and I can tell you that 20k doesn’t buy you anything in motorsports in the real world. Sim racing hobby like any other gets expensive when you decide to take it to a higher level
Wtf do you have that you spent 20k 😂
@@Rmagid Fr. It's impossible to be spending that much if you were cost conscious at all.
I mean, I don't know much about the cost of irl motorsports, but isn't the overall cost over a few years way higher? If you factor in the consumables like tires, I can imagine 20k would maybe get you a few months of actual racing. Ofc your simrig doesn't actually have many (or any) wearing parts.