Sony A7r II vs A7s II: comparison for video
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What a great review and comparison! Now i realized that i have no money to buy any of these models. Thanks!
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Hahaha so im no longer alone
Now you can :)
And six years later as a professional wedding videographer I still use the A7RIi with a 20 mm Sony f2.0 lens and it’s still butter 🙌🙌
I could swear my A7RII fell more solid in my hand than my new A7IV. Wish I could’ve afforded to keep my A7RII too, I miss it. Obviously the A7IV performs like a Rolls Royce!
@@pancakelens75 bro please tell how was the experience going from a7rii to a7iv
🙏🙏 Im thinking of doing the same
Can u plz tell me shoul i buy sony a7rii in 2024 or not plz tell me 😊 and tell about video mode of a7rii in wedding plz brother
great video. rather frustrating to see that af in video mode is better on the a7rii. as the a7sii was aimed more at the video shooter and the a7rii was aimed at the photographer. i guess greedy sony want you to get both! for me the low-light and slo-mo are still important factors wins for the a7sii. but overall the a7rii wins
Thank you for mentioning of the black sun issue. So far I have not heard about that from any other review
Sonyalpharumors just shared a post with other reports as well. I am sure that Sony is watching ;)
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) in ntsc mode the proplem disapear
+SooGehts I heard a few reports about this as well after publishing the video. If that is the case then it is probably something that Sony can fix with a firmware update for PAL users.
fixed in firmware updates on both cameras
Pierluca72 right?? This is the first vid I've seen it.
Great comparison and video. Thank you for sharing! I'd say the A7RII wins hands down. With RII even in low light, you can crop down to Super35 and get the same performance as the SII. The RII autofocus seals the deal for me...
Yeah but did you see that insane low light capabilities for A7s2? That's insane. 3:00.
@@--.-- yes but did you see the part the comment you're replying to was talking about at 3:32 where the A7RII matched the insane low light capabilities of A7s2 in s35?
Mirrorlessons! Such a clever name! Love it.
Very good comparison, thanks!
Obviously Sony decreased the resolution for 120 fps to create a confusion between two cameras, or else who would get the A7s II other than anyone looking for extreme low light conditions?
Anyone who is shooting professional video, let's say film makers would control the lighting conditions artificially if need be in most* conditions..
Great point. In that case I’ll just invest in some lighting and keep my 42 megapixels
Very concise and clear review. I enjoyed your comparison!
Good comparison, very useful. All the key facts delivered quickly without waffle
Great review. Exactly all the details I needed. Thanks for making this!
Still really hard to decide- I do about the same amount of video and photo. Before this video I was leaning towards the A7sii but now I'm not so sure...
Thank you for that! Now I'm totally sure, that I need to sell my A7s and change on A7r II. Especially, that I want to focus on a photography and only sometimes do some video (which A7R II will be still better that "professional vdslr" - this is ridiculous)
Keep the 42 megapixels and if you have to invest on some lighting
The HFR mode bitrate being lower shouldn't matter since bitrate is measured per second, ie 24fps@50mbps should equal 120fps@250mbps, (I could be wrong, test needed imo).
thanks for the review.
but i have to say that at the end you sounded like a captain on an airplane reporting to the passengers that flight is about land. lol
I even got the applause after landing.
Thanks for the great job on comparisons. In my opinion Sony has purposely handcuffed the a7RII. It's clear that in Super35 mode, the a7RII is capable of doing better than 25,600 ISO. I believe the reason for this is so that they can further differentiate the cameras. Seems to me the BSI sensor should have been included in the a7SII but something went wrong, and they needed more time.
They definitely shouldn't be charging $3000 for the a7SII, when the a7RII is only $200 more for a huge upgrade from a7R.
+Luke Tek On the A7r II, the ISO values higher than 25600 are extended (push) and not native. I guess that is the reason they aren't available in video mode.
thank you for great work and comparison you give to us
Is there any fast way to fix the yellowish / greener colors in the A7SII? I mean a way that delivers accurate color out of camera without editing
You can try to play with the Picture Profiles. There are advanced settings to control RGB and CMY color channels.
Excellent video thanks for sharing
Have sony fixed the slow focus on the a7s ii?
After a couple of years of using the a7sii the slow af is really frustrating! You can miss key pieces of footage because of it. Thinking of changing over to a7rii but I'm not sure...
the A7r II AF is definitely faster.
Totally agree! I was thinking that my 7S II was broken. In low appertures, the things get even worse!
Another great review - thanks for posting. Guess you love the Twywn/ Aberdovey/ Barmouth area as you often take your You Tube images there.
+Bob Brick yes I love those locations!
Thank you so much for this comparison video, it's quite informative for me to make the buying decision
Appreciate the comparisons, bro. Cool accent too :D
Great video ! Very helpful !! Thank you !!!
Thank you for this excellent comparison video!
My question is this. If I need one of these for wedding videography. which is the best choice. I would be shooting in conditions where sometimes I have to shoot ISO max 2000 and would need a camera with the best autofocus tracking for moving objects. I am inclined to the A7R2 since most of my clients won't need the 4K, and I cal occasionally use it to take pictures when the need be. But I am a bit worried about over heating issues. Does the A7R2 overheats when shooting 1080 in FF or super 35 mode?
@Aisle Clicks Did you get a R2? Im in the same situation. Im worried that the R2 is too noisy in 1080 FF..
is A7Rii right for me ? shifting from 5d m3 (for video ) ???
The A7r II video quality is excellent in 4K when you shoot in Super35 mode (APS-C).
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) thanks for your reply - what about full frame mode
It's ok at low ISO but at high ISO there is much more color noise. You can see a practical example here:
ua-cam.com/video/Z9DMe19vzGc/v-deo.html
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) so for full frame mode A7S2 is better
Correct.
Thanks for making this video! I've been researching the Sony a7 series to see which camera I'd like to start using.
This is great. Thanks for the in-depth analysis!
which mode is best to shoot 4k on the A7S II? Great video btw, very informative!!!
Full frame mode.
can also connect a Kit Lens APS-C 16-50 on an A7S / R and film in 4k?
Great comparison, thank you!
Great work! Thanks!
You said the bitrate is significantly lower when using HFR rather than standard 120p movie mode. Is that bitrate lower than 80% of what the normal 120p movie mode is? Considering, when using a higher framerate, then conforming the footage in post-production, the bitrate is cut by however much the video is slowed down by. Important to remember this.
I think I read that the A7sII does 120p in either 100Mbps or 60Mbps. I'm assuming the 100 is standard movie mode, and the 60 is HFR. If this is the case, it seems that the HFR mode would yield better end results, if the bitrate is a resulting 60Mbps, where as after conforming 120p to 24p, the bitrate would be sub-20Mbps. Or something like that. However, if it is the STARTING bitrate that is 60Mbps in HFR mode, then you are absolutely right, the normal movie mode option would be the way to go. Hopefully someone might be able to elaborate on this. (I'm not claiming to be right or wrong here.)
100mbps and 60mbps are in normal movie mode. With HFR you get 16 or 12mbps depending on the final frame rate.
Hi there, thank you for this review. In still mode, which one has more dynamic range? I guess the a7rII but is there a huge difference? Thanks.
Thank you. Still so hard to decide!
+Christopher Dobey what kind of photography do you practice?
Fashion all day everyday
+Christopher Dobey Then a7rii is the clear no brain choice m8
thanks for the comparisons
gotta love the a7rii
I'm looking for an answer i cannot find, i am a manual focus with vintage lenses photographer, wich one is better for me?
This is an amazing video!! Thank you so much!!
A Huge thanks, this video helped me to make a choice . Merci
I cant figure out AF on a7sii ive owned it for years..its always greyed out to manual..ive tried everything and native lenses. Sucks.
Hi! I would like to know how will be the comparison between both on full HD mode. Thanks!
thanks
is the low light compare 2:57 between the two cameras taken in HD or 4k mode?
Great review / clip, kind regards.
sory i cant understand wich is wich ar you referring to... rii or sii
Hi, did you manage to make iso tests in 1080p on the RII? And does it overheat?
This video helped a lot thank you. I was only confused about one thing (this is more so a technical question so if anyone knows help me out here) why is it that the A7RII had better low light performance in APS-C mode, I was of the understanding that cameras that have full frame sensors capture more light, so why would putting the camera in a mode for a smaller sensor improve the low light performance?
Because in APS-C mode it uses 18MP only and does full pixel readout meaning it uses all the pixels in the APS-C area without skipping any of them (so no aliasing, more details and precise footage). In full frame mode, despite having 42MP, it doesn't use all the pixels for video but still has to deal with more than 18MP. With video, the more megapixel you have, the more noise you get at high ISO.
Mathieu Gasquet oh okay thag makes sense, thanks for your help
Mathieu, Well done, thanks heaps.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the comparisson, do you know if there is 120fps in 720p for the A7S II, and if yes, can it be used in FF and crop mode or again in 2,2 crop, thanks!
+Lyubo Yanev the A7s II can't shoot at 120fps in 720p. 720p is only available in MP4 format and at 25 or 30fps.
Thanks!
Salut mathieu merci pour cette fantastique vidéo. Pour moi le A7s II n'a qu'un seul concurrent peut être meilleur c'est le Canon EOS 1DC. Mais hélas il n'y a aucune vidéo de comparaison sur le net. Si tu possèdes un 1Dc pourquoi ne pas comparer les deux appareils? (le 1 dc a une image terrifiante)...
+Alexander Hartdegen Hehe, je ne possède pas de 1DC malheureusement. Mais j'ai ententu que du bien sur cet appareil mis à part le prix :D
Mathieu Gasquet certes....
L'image du 1dc est lisse, avec une dynamique incroyable, une colorimétrie " canon".
Mais le A7s est parfait, il est le rêve devenu réalité de tout cinéaste indépendant. Merci.
What would you recommend for Filming Events (weddings primarily)? R2 or S2? I tend to use autofocus more. I see that the R2 is hunting more than the S2 so if it offer a smoother transition than I guess it would be better for the viewers to see things out of focus for 2 seconds than to see 1 second of going back and forth hunting. Also better low light would be cooler. But I want your honest opinion. I need to shoot a lot and preferably uninterrupted (except when hitting re-record after 29 minutes). Subject are mainly sitting still in the chapel and I hope the camera doesn't focus on the people at the back instead of the people at the front (bride and groom) and S-log is really nice since harsh sun through the windows can ruin a scene. Also I shoot on a shoulder rig so that I don't get tired after some hours (that + the stabilization should work great) and I also do close up shots or detail shots so I can inter-cut with them.
The A7r II is faster concerning the AF but it won't be perfect especially in low light. The problem for video is that you can't use AF-S but only AF-C or MF. With AF-C the camera will likely try to hunt for something most of the time. At a wedding I would use MF personally, at least indoor or in low light.
The A7s II is better in low light and it does full pixel readout in full frame mode.
The A7r II is perhaps more versatile because you have the full frame and super35 option in 4K (the A7s II has super35 only in 1080p). So you can take advantage of wide angle lenses in full frame mode and have more telephoto reach in Super35 mode (but remember that the best ISO performance with the A7r II is in Super35 mode, in full frame mode there is lots of noise).
Mathieu Gasquet Got it, thank you. MF is really not an option for me as I often have to go into crowded spaces and worry about my surroundings or I have to boom the whole rig up so that I get a shot of what's happening over somebody's head so I really hope that one of these cameras would do the trick
+Toasted Synapse Gaming if you are not in a hurry, another option would be to wait for the new a6500 (APS-C): same AF system of the a6300, which is the fastest among Sony cameras and you have 5-axis IBIS as well. Apparently Sony also fixed the overheating issue but it's better to wait for complete reviews to make sure of that.
Mathieu Gasquet Thank you. I was thinking about doing this. The fact that it's not FF wouldn't bother me too much. With the extra money I can get more lenses. I'll see the reviews and look for that low light test and AF system.
Do you like more A7rll or A7sll ?
Which one would be bettter for product shots?
+Kaamil360 A7r II for its higher resolution mainly.
Even when i shoot on super 35 in a7r ii, i see quite a lot of fine grain (even on iso 640). I find it strange that your image of iso 12,800 looks better than mine.
+Sam Turningworth I use sony fe 24-70 f/4 OSS. BTW do you shoot in movie mode or manual.
+Sam Turningworth manual mode. Do you use the picture profiles?
Yeah i use pp 7 (with slog 2).
+Sam Turningworth s-log2 can be noisy, it is a matter of how you to the colour grade and if you apply some LUTs. It takes sometimes to find the right combination.
I only use the slog 2 function frequently and am aware of its noise. I've realised that since i'm in Australia, PAL is the main format - it introduces grain and removes the 30fps recording option.
¿Y a la final cual es mejor?
A7R II is the perfect cropable 4K cam with all the resolution. I don't yet get it though why the noise is worse on full frame mode.
Because in full frame mode it deals with more megapixel and doesn't do full pixel readout.
Mathieu Gasquet Yeah but in 35mm=1.5x crop mode there are still 20 Mpix while 4 K records less than 10 Mpix.
Actually it's 18MP approx. on the A7r II in APS-C/S35 mode. The difference is that there it uses all the pixel and then downscale to 4K.
Mathieu Gasquet Ahh! Thanks, now that explains it well!
Interesting that the A7r II has better continuous focus and stabilization. I would have expected it to be the other way around
The phase detection makes a difference in this case concerning the AF.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons)
Hi Mathieu. In this video ua-cam.com/video/IjJxnIQcJDA/v-deo.html (@15:05) you say that A7r II uses contrast detection only in video mode and no phase detection???
+Jon Arni Helgason yes that's correct.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Ok. Can you explain why A7r II focuses better in videos than A7s II, if both use contrast detection for video ?
+Jon Arni Helgason to be honest I was quite surprised myself to see the A7r II performs better.
Which would you reccommend primarily for video?
A7sii
I didn't hate that Autumn profile.
I'm thinking of buying one of these cameras to make short films which one do you think would be better and if this helps to decide I'm going to make thrillers and horrors.
A7s II, it's the best for video really.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) thanks mate
Why does one of your camera's have a red tag? I am noticing it in many videos across UA-cam
do you mean what's attached to the strap ring?
At 0:10, the second camera has a red tag attached to it. What is it?
it's an anchor link for the Peak Design straps.
Mathieu Gasquet Oh cool, let me check that out. Thanks!
What lens are you using for these videos?
Cannot find it anywhere... Thanks
+Eric Knorpp I used the FE 55mm 1.8
Very interesting!The improved sensibility in aps-c video is the same for aps-c photo(raw)?
No, just video :)
Thanks for reply.Why only in video mode?
in video mode, the A7r II does full pixel readout in APS-C mode. It means it uses all pixels (18MP in APS-C mode) to create the video. In full frame mode, it does line skipping which means not all the pixels are used: as a result there is some gap between each pixel used to create the video which means more aliasing (details are less sharp) and more noise at high ISO.
I'm sorry.If it done will be the most perfectly camera to buy. :)
did sony fixed the black dot problem on the a7sii ?
Yes they fixed via firmware.
Salut !
Super review vraiment, clair et précise ! J'ai une petite question, j'aimerai upgrade mon setup en m'achetant le A7s II ( j'ai un 6300 ). Je fais uniquement du film, principalement sport et montagne, tu me le conseille ?
Merci de ta réponse au plaisir ! :)
Le A7s II est conçu pour la vidéo principalement. Ses deux points forts sont:
- le 4K avec capteur plein format, utile si tu as des objectifs plein formats, surtout des grands angles que tu veux utiliser avec leurs angles de vue originels
- la sensibilité à ISO élevé (bruit bien contenu jusqu'à 25600, utilisable jusqu'à 51200 ou meme 102400 en cas de besoin extreme).
Il y aussi moins de risque de surchauffement avec le A7s II quand tu enregistre en 4K, il y a une entrée micro et sortie jack et la possibilité d'un battery pack pour prolonger la durée des batteries.
Merci de votre réponse rapide, et de ces précision !
Dernier question au niveau des objectifs plein formats, tu a quelques conseils, nom d'objectifs a conseillé ? Qui selon toi irait parfetement avec le sony a7s ii ?
Le R en super 35 chauffe vraiment très vite ?
Nice video my friend! but what is better for weeddings films?
They can both do great, I think it's a matter of choosing between having the best quality in full frame mode (A7s II) or in Super35mm/APS-C mode (A7r II).
thanks my friend!
Great review
why 4k looks a lot sharper than 1080 in my 1080 monitor?
wait so at 120 fps on the a7s ii is it a 2 x crop factor?
2.2x yes.
simple & fast comparison. - LIKE - SUBBED
Thank you for this.
Amazing, good video
Thank you.
Just want to share this short film titled "What Am I Doing?" - I shot the film on the Sony A7Rii (minus some drone shots).
vimeo.com/245405363
I used old Canon FD lenses for all the interior shots and for the water scenes I used the 35mm Sony / Carl Zeiss lens since it was the only auto focus lens that would fit in the underwater housing we had. I constantly switched back and forth from fullframe / super 35 mode - which is what I love about the A7Rii.
The whole film was shot using only natural light. For the interior scenes I mostly exposed from the window since that was my source of light. Because I created the look mostly in camera, it made color grading pretty hard...I used a custom color profile - one which I'm not sure if I would use again because the a lot of footage came out very purple-y... maybe it's from the old canon glass?
Lovely video Michael. Not sure about the purple tint but certain old glasses can produce a more visible colour shift.
Thank you Mathieu! I've actually established it must have been my color profile...
Michael Gugger Beautiful short Michael
pure art bro love it
Hi, I'm working on a projet and I'm going to need a vloging camera, wich one would you advise between the 7r and the 7s ?
Amazing video, thanks !
+TheMratomic if it's mainly for video than I would suggest the A7s II.
Don´t understand, the autofocus in movement is better on A7r ll
a7sII should have phase af . not worth the update from a7s
Finally i found black sun in this video 😂😁😁😁
+John Walker it's now fixed with the firmware update.
With a7sii you can record 120 fps 1080p in full frame right?
Yes.
Mathieu Gasquet no, you can't record in full frame 120fps, only crop sensor mode.
Sorry, my bad, I got confused. It's a 2.2x crop for 120fps.
Mathieu Gasquet easy mistake to make! Great video.
120fps for 1080 7asii?
yes
what this shot in 4k?
Yes
Aj Ramirez dynamic range is very similar on both cameras. You can see a few example here: www.mirrorlessons.com/2015/11/06/sony-a7r-ii-vs-a7s-ii/
Hello Mathieu what focus mode was this? wide or spot focus? @2:18?
I can't remember but probably spot.
Ok because i am having good luck with flexible spot S. on the 24-70 F4
No 120fps 1080p video on the A7R II ?
Nope, only 720p.
J'ai lu presque tous les commentaires et si je comprend bien avec le S2 en 1080p il y a un crop de x2.2?? Donc meme ma lentille 8mm fisheye va me donner un resultat de environ 18mm a l'image?? C'est un peu se foutre de nos gueules ahahah!
Il y a un crop 2.2x lors que tu enregistres en 1080p à 120i/s.
finally found
Thaks for your good comparison!
This is such a great video, thank you!!!