Worst Poker Bluffing Scene in Cinema History
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- From Molly's Game (2017) where....Michael Cera....is the """"master"""" poker player. This isn't satire (on purpose, anyway), this was a serious scene where they're actually trying to hype up Michael Cera as the badass card shark.
"mathematically the best hand" math doesn't have anything to do with it lmao.. its a ranking system.
Haha missed that one, good catch! lol "mathematically"...there is no math here at all, it's an order system of strongest to weakest hands. I was too distracted by the other 15 things that are bananas.
arent rankings math equations ?
44 against 33. 44 wins because in maths 4 > 3.
the ranking is in an order of mathematical chance of getting that hand. Royal Flush is mathematically the best hand in a normal 52 card deck since it has the lowest probability of occuring.
There is a crap load of math in poker.
when that cursor moved at the end, i had a heart attack
Did you have to go to hospital?
If you can't even see you have the nuts you have no place in a poker table.
Listen, I have never played a poker game in my entire life, but I don’t think dude would just blurt out that he had pocket queens for some random ass dude to get him to fold.
Yea, nobody would do that because it doesn't make any sense lol. The narrator is talking about the one guy having 'the nuts' which means the best possible hand. That means the 2 queens in Cera's hand is NOT the best possible hand, even though his bluffing about queens is attempting to suggest he has a stronger hand...but there is no such thing. It doesn't make any sense that Cera flashes his real hand of the 2 and the 7 because two Queens also would have lost if the other guy didn't fold. So the implication has to be that the guy with the nuts does not know how to play poker at all, like that he doesn't know that flush beats a pair, etc...not that he was 'intimidated into backing down.' He just doesn't know the rules or anything about what is happening. Cera beat a guy who didn't know where he was as his hype-up scene.
Also, (probably doesn't count in their private game) but in an official tournament it's usually against the rules to tell anybody what your holding while their are still chips in play.
Yea this is the dumbest shower-dream of a poker hand that a producer has ever agreed to commit to film. Bravo curveball-Cera for giving it 100%
I play poker regularly and you see these kind of shenanigans even for high stakes. Usually when people tell the other person to fold and they have it they are actually honest, even for $1000s, some people just dgaf. There's nothing abnormal about this scene
@@kvnd7331 I think the abnormal thing is that he folded with the nuts. Unless he kinda sucks I guess, why tf would he do that? Is it a gambling thing?
For those wondering, Player X is heavily rumored to be Tobey McGuire
I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye😂
*Maguire, and yeah, it was him
its not a rumor, thats 100 percent confirmed who it is, they just can't use his name for legal reasons
If anyone's curious, Player X was actually Tobey Maguire.
you're bluffing.
i thought he looked familiar
youre wrong. it was actually bully maguire
I am gonna put some dirt in your eye @@Beeman2892
They do kinda look similar but that is an actress named Michael Cera
Michael Cera is doing a PERFECT impression of the kind of pricks you find at poker games that make the whole thing not worth it! 🤣
Tobey Maguire is the model for the character here
Hsy look the guy who cant do pushups. 😂
Replace Player X with "studio execs", and the guy who folds with "the audience". And the bluff reveal is this movie.
So... Basically this high-stakes and exclusive game had a player who has never played poker before in his entire life, and beating them when they clearly don't even understand the basic rules is somehow impressive and 'cool'? How did not a single person working on this film point how dumb this scene is....
If you watch the movie it goes into how much of a psycho player X is. The movie isn’t trying to make the viewer think it’s cool, just that all the people at the table thought it was cool.
@@hickoryst.6961 That's what I meant by not understanding even the basic rules - it makes no sense a guy would be playing there if they couldn't figure out they'd beat a pair of queens.
@@UdumbaraMusicThe guy wasn't there because he could play. He was there because he had money and wanted to play with a celebrity. They were taking advantage of him.
@@dvs620 I know, but who in their right mind would want to embarrass themselves in front of celebrities who he (I'm guessing?) respects by not learning even the basic rules of a game? It makes no sense. It's like wanting to have a guitar competition against your favourite band without knowing how to play guitar.
@@UdumbaraMusic People do dumb shit in front of celebrities ALL THE TIME.
This was the stupidest scene in an otherwise really good poker movie. How the idea that anyone even a noob would fold the nuts got into the script is beyond me.
Noobs like that don’t fold bottom pair. They’d never fold the nuts lmfao
Given that it's Michael Cera, I'm convinced it's a joke.
I'm baffled by all these people convincend that this is not satire
This is on a par with Austin Powers sticking on 5 in twenty-one
There is a scene from the movie Rounders where Matt Damon tells a story of sitting down with famous poker player Johnny Chan (they Love Johnny Chan in that movie) where he bluffs Chan out of a hand. Then, in slow-motion epic fashion, Chan asks Damon, 'Did you have it?' Damon slowly and calmly responds, "I'm sorry John, I forgot." You may notice that Damon does not respond by instantly flipping over his cards and doing an 'in your face!' gesture with them and saying 'Fuck you' like a 12-year who just beat his little sister for the first time in Digimon TCG. You don't have to show your cards when everyone else folds out. Cera just unnecessarily gave everyone in the room more intelligence on his bluffing patterns; you want to keep that hidden as much as possible so nobody can tell when you are bluffing in the future. There is even a sentiment in poker of 'I'm going to pay to make you show me", meaning that someone will call your bets until the end just so you have to reveal your cards to see if you were bluffing or not. Everything he is doing is comically terrible while the narrator is simultaneously hyping him up as a master lol.
Didn't you understand that was the point of the scene? He's an obnoxious little brat. And he will continue to play that role during the rest of the narrative. She also litterally tells us he utilizes his celebrity status to intimidate. Player X is modelled after Tobey Maguire by the way. The film is based on a true story.
Also, that is actually the most ridiculous scene in poker movie history. He is playing limit holdem with Johnny Chan, and buys in for something like like 6 BBs. He 4-bet "bluffs" him pre-flop with rags and Johnny folds. There isn't a single player that would fold his hand pre-flop in a limit game. Even if he saw that Matt had Aces, he wouldn't fold. It's limit holdem.
@@joeanderson7291 Yea that aspect is silly I was trying to emphasize the part where he doesn't reveal if he was bluffing or not. Another aspect of that scene that is silly is that Chan is just there for like a celebrity appearance, it wasn't a real tournament, he had no reason to try his hardest he was just doing a PR gig and entertaining tourists and Damon says, 'sat with and took down the best'. Also yea Chan folds pre-flop so what does he mean by, 'it'? Two Aces? A "reasonably strong hand"? Just...just focus on the not revealing cards part lol, damn...movies are so bad.
@@dv6165 You are saying 'obnoxious little brat' AND intimidate like those aren't completely mutually exclusive. Obnoxious little brat who reveals his cards unnecessarily and 'good poker player' are also mutually exclusive. Who wants to watch a 2 hour movie where the protagonist, or even the deuteragonist, is an obnoxious punk? That's just poor cinema. Goon might have actually been a watchable movie if it wasn't for the annoying best friend (Jay Baruchel).
@@joeanderson7291 to add to your point about the ridiculousness of that scene, the point Damon was trying to make made no sense. Dude said he played tight for an hour then randomly decided to go nuts with rags because he "wanted to outplay the guy". "I sat with the best in the world, and I won." --- you won 1 hand against a former champ, and the action ended pre-flop. Literally didn't matter if he had rags or aces. winning one hand against anyone in the world doesn't mean shit lmao.
It is already hard to understand how somebody with the nuts folds, well maybe if hoe doesn’t realise that. There is no better hand possible.
But is the other player says he has 2 queens…. He must realise that 2 queens do not beat his hand.
Chastain uttering the phrase "holding the nuts" without so much as a hint of irony is the cherry on top.
Having her narrate this whole movie with her annoying "fuck me" voice was a terrible decision.
LMAO fuck me voice. You nailed the name for it.
The fish looks like Neville bloody Bartos.
Why would he fold the nuts ? Wtf
lol, if he has the nuts, he has the nuts. There is no way you can lose.....
This movie obviously doesnt know what "the nuts" are. They just used it to sound like they knew poker lingo. on that board the nuts would be J-10 but there was 2 spades and 2 clubs so "the nuts" could change from a straight to a flush on the river easily. Its pretty basic poker. The writer who wrote that line probably thought he was so cool for vaguely knowing the term.
Nuts isnt the winning hand, nuts is vest hand possible. If you really had the nuts or even second nuts no player especially at high stakes is folding
They got Kendall Roy in here yo
Boy this movie is smart, can’t you tell?
It's movies like these that caused kids to lose massive amount of money to the casinos, they think that it's "cool" to act/do these stuffs instead of carefully study the game before buying in and the best is NOT TO buy in at all
Poker is awesome and if you actually study the game you can be profitable against the field. The people who lose real money are those who don’t manage their bankroll responsibly; you shouldn’t be playing at stakes you can’t afford, you should slowly build up a bankroll and move up in stakes.
as a Poker player i'm very thankful. without these kids there isn't much money to make
How did he know he didn't have the nuts? Come on
Do you think Tony McGuire or Michael Cera wrote this scene?
who's tony mcguire
Im confused if he had the nuts why did he fold?
Because somehow this movie went through the entire process of being made without anyone involved with the script knowing what "the nuts" means.
@@aenstreams1998 despite the character stating it. If he had the nuts and Cera's character told the guy "I have queens under here" then he'd know he had the hand beat or that they were lying because if queens were the nuts, this guy had em instead.
Plus it's against the fucking rules to tell someone what cards you actually have in your hand on most tables. And anyone who reveals their bluff and says "fuck you" isn't getting invited to a table again. Ridiculous XD
@@BuggatonExactly. This much talk in a hand would get you tossed out of most games. This much smack talk doesn't happen. Bluffs aren't about stating hands, but betting like you have a certain hand. And, as I have pointed out several times and so did Buggaton, "I have queens under here" dude can just look at the draw and go "Ok, so queens isn't the nuts, so I win" or "He says he has queens and this hand queens are the nuts, but I have queens, so logically, he CANNOT have queens so I win."
It's just classic bad Aaron Sorkin writing. He went "I want to do an overwritten condescending film like everything I write. I will google poker" and threw that info in there without understanding it. Most hands do not have the nuts, that's what makes them tense. Both players know the other could have a good, but not perfect hand, and are trying to figure out what it is. A hand where someone has the nuts is boring, because that player has flatly won.
Also, celebrating like that, so dumb. You DO NOT WANT THE WORST PLAYER AT YOUR TABLE TO LEAVE. THEY ARE A FREE CHIP UP. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE AN ASSHOLE TO TILT YOUR OPPONENTS, YOU ARE GIVING AWAY HALF YOUR STACK IF YOU MAKE THIS A HABIT. You especially don't want to lose the worst player, lose the chip up, while GIVING ALL OF THE COMPETENT PLAYERS AT THE TABLE WHO ARE COMING AFTER YOU A GOOD GLIMPSE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU BLUFF BECAUSE YOU'RE OVERCELEBRATING AND SHOWING THE CARDS.
The ideal thing to do after winning a round like that is to smirk and muck your cards, or tell them "You've gotta pay to see them. Maybe next time, you're a little broke."
This was the scene Netflix chose to play as the preview for this movie. I have played poker for 20 years and this scene made me not watch the movie. Board is A-7-8-9-3 with 2 clubs and 2 spades. Claiming you have pocket queens on that board is about as dumb as one could interpret poker. The nuts would be J-10 at that point. There would be a ton of outs for someone with 2 clubs or 2 spades. No way you would lay down the nut straight to some clown bragging he had queens. Now if he said he had said something like he had 2 spades and felt like gambling then it would maybe get a fold depending on how much was in the pot. How could the writers of this movie not go find an amateur like me to explain why this scene makes no sense?
Toby maguire has more that spider red
Oh, brother! Michael Cera sucks.
Pretty sure "Player X" was Spiderman : Tobey Maguire. Play it back in your head as him instead and this makes total sense... Cera is a great comedic actor but he isn’t menacing.
ya it was tobey macguire thats known
And of course he has 72o :D
Player X was Tobey Maguire, the OG Spider-man. The Movie is "Molly's Game" and it's based on a true story. He actually said that he enjoyed "destroying lives", nagged Molly because her tips grew and then eventually intentionally pushed molly out of her game.
Tobey Maguire should have played this role because he wouldn’t even be acting like an a**hole, he would just be himself and fit the same character🤣🤣🤣
@@ethanborden4298actually true
This wasn't as bad as the scene where the guy folded a boat and lost to king high, then he proceeds to lose millions in a downward spiral, the bet on the boat hand was pretty low, like okay you're a millionaire who isn't willing to put a small bet on a boat? I think they wrote this movie for people who know nothing about poker
I heard about this movie from reading a snippet trying to smear Toby MacGuire, who Player X is loosely based on. I guess the girl got a book & movie deal for a very uninteresting story, & Toby MacGuire's reputation took a hit because... He was a jerk at cards? Gosh, this is insufferable, and I want the last 10 minutes of my life back.
Folded the nutsss?????????????
This movie was so poorly directed and even more-terribly written. I remember sitting in the theater, mouth agape, astounded this was Aaron Sorkin's directorial debut. Just absolutely awful.
Holy shit. Sorkin wrote this? Insane.
Jesus
*Promosm*
I've always hated Michael Cera
I have 9wsop cashes and 2 final tables, and the poker in this movie doesnt bother me. Its somehow more believable than most films, as sad as that is 🤣
Sorkin was great with West Wing, OK with Sport's Night, solid on some other films. But my god, this he wrote and directed and it was such a steaming pile of shit. It wasn't a story worth telling. Chastain is 45 playing a 22 year old which already isn't believable. And Elba is totally wasted - there's a scene where he's (as the lawyer) defending her... except he monologues for like 5 minutes in a tiny room with no pizazz
Dude's gotta stick with just writing. This was such a waste of my life
Damn I liked this movie, but holy shit! Did the writers never play poker in their lives? Or do they think the audience is that stupid? Then again, it released on Netflix so it should be unsurprising.
I was hoping he'd be doing a Soprano impression.