Please note - the firmware update is manual via flashing the card because their changes haven't been merged upstream into klipper yet. Once that is done then you'll do a normal firmware upgrade via the web interface. It's a one-click process (normal klipper caveats apply though as there are often configuration changes needed due to deprecation of configs, etc).
Thanks very much for your explanation. I have a technical background, but I have a lot to learn regarding firmware and software. I really appreciate your comment.
Although the Bambu system does auto-update firmware, that is because you are running a custom firmware that has that capability. Since they chose to go open source, Klipper does not have that capability for flashing the firmware to the mainboard. The Klipper computer can send commands to the mainboard to move the steppers, read the thermistor and control the heaters, but cannot change the firmware as most ARM powered mainboards have to flash from a bootloader upon powerup. What I would criticize them for is not using a SD card extender and having the SD card slot available without having to remove the panel covering the electronics.
Hi John, Thank you for your explanation. That makes more sense to me now because I have a QIDI Tech printer that runs Klipper so I can update the firmware using an USB drive. Hopefully, Peopoly will add the upgrade you suggested in the near future. Thanks for taking the time to provide your comment!
Thanks for posting this very nice video about this new product in the marketplace. The wi-fi connection issues (and increased security) are why I always prefer any devices on my network to use a Cat 5 or 6 connection. The linear motors are interesting. It's nice to see the industry continuing to advance. I'm looking for something like the Bambu X series but with a larger build volume. Next up: The Secret of the Peopoly Magneto X: Linear Motors for 3D Printing, then I'll head to the Peopoly web site for more info.
Spend $2k on a printer that I still have to fully assemble. I can see having to do some very minor assembly such as the display. I can’t update firmware through wifi out of box. Firmware doesn’t appear to be fully baked. Exposure of high voltage that requires an insulation kit installation is an unforced error. Does not come with an enclosure. It’s an interesting large build volume printer, but for that kind of money I’m expecting a near flawless execution and setup.
The issue with the head stopping above the print upon completion can be corrected with an adjustment to the PRINT_END macro. The “reprint” (or whatever Peopoly named it) macro likely needs a homing line added to the sequence to prevent the issue you had with the nozzle scraping the plate
Thank you for your feedback. I was assuming there would be an easy fix regarding the end of the print cycle and you have confirmed it. Also, I like your idea of automatically homing before reprinting because that is what I was doing manually. I appreciate you taking the time to provide your comment.
1:22 Yeah, maybe world first commercially available, but definitely not world first overall. There are several desktop 3D printers with linear motors on RepRap, with the oldest I found in 2015. But while the concept isn't new (at all), the main accomplishment of Peopoly is making these linear motors with high precision at an affordable price.
Yeah..My x1c has been a gem too. Not one bad print and it’s so fast. Bambu set the bar that can’t be jumped over.. Best printer. They just need a larger one
That is one interesting printer. Congrats on being one of the first to have a production unit! PS You have a very good Rhode mike, but somehow the audio is off. For example inhales are VERY loud, but voice sounds muffled. Guess there must me a configuration issue somewhere? Sounds like boosting is active at the same time as limiting or something...
Yes, I have received several comments regarding the audio of this video. I'm not exactly sure of the solution, but I do need to find a solution so thanks for your constructive feedback.
I really like your videos and the solid, analytical approach. My initial impression is that this is a good engineering prototype, not a polished and ready-for-sale production machine. The lack of finish around the electrical wiring, integration and optimization of the software, the inconsistent and poor print quality, and lack of additional features similar to the Bambu Labs AMS and air filter that have become the de facto standard for new machines seems to bear this out. I am surprised that they released the machine in this state since their CEO indicated in another video with you that their primary focus was on small proprietor run 3d print farms. Ken, in your earlier video on Bambu vs Prusa you put yourself in the "production parts" camp versus the "tinkerers". With this machine, I think the mechanical engineer "tinkerer" re-emerged. Now you have the best of both worlds a machine that can produce production-ready parts (Bambu) and a machine that you can tinker with and perhaps evolve over time (Magneto X).
Hi James, I agree with your assessment. I was expecting more of a finished product as well, but I have made my purchase so now I need to see the Magneto X through to the point that it becomes a “prosumer” product. Thanks for your comment!
@@ristinnovations Thank you again, for leading the charge so we don't make the same mistake and for the quality and comprehensive nature of your analysis. For the record, your comparison of the Prusa MK 4 and Bambu Labs X1C was by far the best comparison I have seen and I have read and watched a LARGE number on that topic. Peopoly will be much better off if they take your feedback, digest it, and update and improve the design of their printer accordingly. Their printer has promise but that is all it has at this point and if they don't address the core issues then sales will rapidly taper off as no one but early adopters and technology tinkerers will buy it.
Thanks for your positive feedback James. I really appreciate it. I did send a detailed preliminary report to Peopoly and they were receptive and seem eager to continue to improve the Magneto X so I am confident that they will continue to make improvements.@@jamescollard9724
Great video Ken! Very thorough, Your Hanz and Franz cracked me up! lol You kind of remind me of Christopher Walken. Subscribed and look forward to more videos.
Thanks very much! My friend and I had a lot of fun with the Hanz/Franz skit. You should have seen the outtakes😊. That’s funny that there have been a few people make Christopher Walken comments. Thanks for subscribing!
I swear I’m spoiled by my X1C, all of this seems so ridiculous to me now. I know it’s snobbish as heck, but with Bambu setting the bar for user experience - this still happens? Peopoly, how the heck are you going to require users to edit config files and disable sensors, and manually move the print head and z axis away so you can pull the plate. Did no one beta test these? Wow.
Every time I see a new printer fail to have features the Bambu has had for a while I immediately lose interest. Bambu has great hardware but where they really hit the home run is with the software integration with their hardware. Unrivalled.
It’s not snobbish at all. This should be ready to go out of the box. I like the technology and it shows promise, but I think it’s poor execution. For its price, I was expecting a better setup and usability experience.
bambu is former DJI engineers where hardware is second to software, peopoly is a resin 3-D printing company where software is second to hardware that’s the difference
That is my impression. You will be easily able to see once you unpack your machine. There should be a cover plate on the bottom of the printer that hides the power line wires and the platen should have a silicone rubber padding on the underside.
Are your other WiFi printers using Klipper? In order for WiFi to consistently work, it needs to periodically send packets to keep the routing of your Access Point working. If it sits idle for an unknown period of time, you will no longer be able to ping the board that is running Klipper, as the Access Point router will stop routing. If you do something on the printer to force it to send out network packets, the router in your Access Point should again be working until it times out again. Klipper needs to send out keep-alive packets to keep the Wifi connection alive.
The other Klipper printer I have is the QIDI X Max 3, but I don't see the same issues with that. I appreciate you taking the time to provide more details on how Klipper works. That is very helpful to me. Thanks for your comment.
“Platten” there’s a word I haven’t heard anyone else say for a long long time :) Warms my heart. Last time I heard platten was in reference to ibm selectric typewriters and hp designjet plotters in the 90s
2k seems high for something without a custom UI and lacks finishing details on wires, connectors, and other small details. The frame and motion system looks fantastic. I'm excited about how this will advance Idex printers.
there is a parameter that no one thinks about: neomidium magnets lose their magnetism at 80⁰/90⁰c if I were to print with a closed chamber at 60⁰c or maybe a few degrees more what would happen... it's not like printing at 20⁰c with an open chamber.. .
Hopefully, Peopoly has taken the temperature impact on the linear motors (which I have to believer they have) because they are even working on an active heated chamber module as an upgrade to the printer.
This is not necessarily true depending on how the magnets are manufactured. Cheap neodymium magnets on Amazon aren’t the best reference. Magnetic linear motor can have very high heat ratings.
HiWin NeFeB linear motors are rated to 120 degrees C. That is 2X the max internal heated chamber temp. Plenty of margin for friction and heat dissipation.
@@mandoreforger6999 in fact I checked the curie graph and the magnetism decays immediately upon reaching the critical temperature....I would have thought that there had been a proportional decay...it's better that way...I hope that this technology will be lower cost in the future to make our homemade toys
@@filipporossifavilli68 true. I sympathize with your comment though, I have had high temp 3d printed parts with amazon magnets inserts in them demagnetize during the printing process demagnetize from the nozzle. I bought higher quality magnets and solved it. That is the only reason I know. It makes me concerned about lead content in cheap magnets.
Don't like to hear that fedex decided to remove the pallet. They haven't exactly had a good reputation these last few years, and removing a protecting element like a pallet does nothing to improve that.
If I understand your question correctly, I consider this a direct drive printer. The extruder in the print head pulls the filament into the heated zone of the hot end. Does this answer your question adequately? Thanks for your question.
Can you provide more detailed feedback regarding the audio? I want to improve my videos so any details regarding how I can improve the quality would be very much appreciated.
@@ristinnovations I think the issue was the mic was too sensitive, you could hear your coat brushing against it at times, also it picked up a lot of squeaking and crinkling when you were removing things from the packaging and bags. Perhaps some noise cancelling would help? I wouldn't say it was bothersome enough to stop watching the video, but that's just me.
@@ristinnovations I think you need to change something so that the sharp breath in each of the sentences disappears. Maybe adding a compressor filter might help?
I think the jury is still out on that question, however I am personally glad I took the chance and bought a Magneto X. As long as Peopoly continues to make improvements to the firmware and software, I think this will be a great printer. These are my thoughts. Thanks for the question.
Just watching the video. My opinion would be no. The only thing kind of neat is the motion system. The rest seams barbaric, especially once you have a Bambu X1C (first printer I didn't build myself). It might be hard to go back to something like this after having a Bambu though.
Depends on your use case... this machine has a huge build volume and some very high flow hotends. But, yes Bambu has set the bar high for user experience.
Please note - the firmware update is manual via flashing the card because their changes haven't been merged upstream into klipper yet. Once that is done then you'll do a normal firmware upgrade via the web interface. It's a one-click process (normal klipper caveats apply though as there are often configuration changes needed due to deprecation of configs, etc).
Thanks very much for your explanation. I have a technical background, but I have a lot to learn regarding firmware and software. I really appreciate your comment.
Im so excited to see new methods of driving motion on printers. Downright nifty.
Thanks for watching 😊
Although the Bambu system does auto-update firmware, that is because you are running a custom firmware that has that capability. Since they chose to go open source, Klipper does not have that capability for flashing the firmware to the mainboard. The Klipper computer can send commands to the mainboard to move the steppers, read the thermistor and control the heaters, but cannot change the firmware as most ARM powered mainboards have to flash from a bootloader upon powerup. What I would criticize them for is not using a SD card extender and having the SD card slot available without having to remove the panel covering the electronics.
Hi John, Thank you for your explanation. That makes more sense to me now because I have a QIDI Tech printer that runs Klipper so I can update the firmware using an USB drive. Hopefully, Peopoly will add the upgrade you suggested in the near future. Thanks for taking the time to provide your comment!
Thanks for posting this very nice video about this new product in the marketplace. The wi-fi connection issues (and increased security) are why I always prefer any devices on my network to use a Cat 5 or 6 connection.
The linear motors are interesting. It's nice to see the industry continuing to advance.
I'm looking for something like the Bambu X series but with a larger build volume. Next up: The Secret of the Peopoly Magneto X: Linear Motors for 3D Printing, then I'll head to the Peopoly web site for more info.
Thanks very much for your comment. If you have any questions regarding my experience with the Magneto X please feel free to reach out anytime!
Good to see the upgrades! Thank you!
Spend $2k on a printer that I still have to fully assemble. I can see having to do some very minor assembly such as the display. I can’t update firmware through wifi out of box. Firmware doesn’t appear to be fully baked. Exposure of high voltage that requires an insulation kit installation is an unforced error. Does not come with an enclosure. It’s an interesting large build volume printer, but for that kind of money I’m expecting a near flawless execution and setup.
I think you have valid points. Thanks for your comment.
The issue with the head stopping above the print upon completion can be corrected with an adjustment to the PRINT_END macro. The “reprint” (or whatever Peopoly named it) macro likely needs a homing line added to the sequence to prevent the issue you had with the nozzle scraping the plate
Thank you for your feedback. I was assuming there would be an easy fix regarding the end of the print cycle and you have confirmed it. Also, I like your idea of automatically homing before reprinting because that is what I was doing manually. I appreciate you taking the time to provide your comment.
10:58 that workout, at 5:00, increased your working speed 😊
1:22 Yeah, maybe world first commercially available, but definitely not world first overall. There are several desktop 3D printers with linear motors on RepRap, with the oldest I found in 2015.
But while the concept isn't new (at all), the main accomplishment of Peopoly is making these linear motors with high precision at an affordable price.
Thank you for adding your comment. I appreciate it.
Yeah..My x1c has been a gem too. Not one bad print and it’s so fast. Bambu set the bar that can’t be jumped over.. Best printer. They just need a larger one
Thanks for your comment.
Thanks for the video, 2nd watch. Any chance of a follow-up?
Coincidentally, I’m working on my follow-up Magneto X video as we speak. I hope to have it uploaded within 2 weeks. Thanks for asking!
That terrible Hans and Franz impersonation earned you a sub!
Lol, well then it was worth it for my friend and I to do it😊. You should have seen the outtakes! Thanks for your sub, and taking the time to comment.
That is one interesting printer. Congrats on being one of the first to have a production unit!
PS You have a very good Rhode mike, but somehow the audio is off. For example inhales are VERY loud, but voice sounds muffled. Guess there must me a configuration issue somewhere? Sounds like boosting is active at the same time as limiting or something...
Yes, I have received several comments regarding the audio of this video. I'm not exactly sure of the solution, but I do need to find a solution so thanks for your constructive feedback.
@@ristinnovations It sounds like auto gain or noise suppression.
I really like your videos and the solid, analytical approach. My initial impression is that this is a good engineering prototype, not a polished and ready-for-sale production machine. The lack of finish around the electrical wiring, integration and optimization of the software, the inconsistent and poor print quality, and lack of additional features similar to the Bambu Labs AMS and air filter that have become the de facto standard for new machines seems to bear this out. I am surprised that they released the machine in this state since their CEO indicated in another video with you that their primary focus was on small proprietor run 3d print farms. Ken, in your earlier video on Bambu vs Prusa you put yourself in the "production parts" camp versus the "tinkerers". With this machine, I think the mechanical engineer "tinkerer" re-emerged. Now you have the best of both worlds a machine that can produce production-ready parts (Bambu) and a machine that you can tinker with and perhaps evolve over time (Magneto X).
Hi James, I agree with your assessment. I was expecting more of a finished product as well, but I have made my purchase so now I need to see the Magneto X through to the point that it becomes a “prosumer” product. Thanks for your comment!
@@ristinnovations Thank you again, for leading the charge so we don't make the same mistake and for the quality and comprehensive nature of your analysis. For the record, your comparison of the Prusa MK 4 and Bambu Labs X1C was by far the best comparison I have seen and I have read and watched a LARGE number on that topic. Peopoly will be much better off if they take your feedback, digest it, and update and improve the design of their printer accordingly. Their printer has promise but that is all it has at this point and if they don't address the core issues then sales will rapidly taper off as no one but early adopters and technology tinkerers will buy it.
Thanks for your positive feedback James. I really appreciate it. I did send a detailed preliminary report to Peopoly and they were receptive and seem eager to continue to improve the Magneto X so I am confident that they will continue to make improvements.@@jamescollard9724
Great video Ken! Very thorough, Your Hanz and Franz cracked me up! lol You kind of remind me of Christopher Walken. Subscribed and look forward to more videos.
Thanks very much! My friend and I had a lot of fun with the Hanz/Franz skit. You should have seen the outtakes😊. That’s funny that there have been a few people make Christopher Walken comments. Thanks for subscribing!
@@ristinnovations I think it's more about the way you talk, but there's also something in your looks too. Anyway, great video! thanks for the review.
Build plate has pei on one side and peo on the patterned side.
Thanks for clarifying; I wasn’t sure what the name was for the patterned side. I appreciate your help.😊
I swear I’m spoiled by my X1C, all of this seems so ridiculous to me now. I know it’s snobbish as heck, but with Bambu setting the bar for user experience - this still happens? Peopoly, how the heck are you going to require users to edit config files and disable sensors, and manually move the print head and z axis away so you can pull the plate. Did no one beta test these? Wow.
Every time I see a new printer fail to have features the Bambu has had for a while I immediately lose interest. Bambu has great hardware but where they really hit the home run is with the software integration with their hardware. Unrivalled.
It’s not snobbish at all. This should be ready to go out of the box. I like the technology and it shows promise, but I think it’s poor execution. For its price, I was expecting a better setup and usability experience.
bambu is former DJI engineers where hardware is second to software, peopoly is a resin 3-D printing company where software is second to hardware that’s the difference
Definitely snobbish comment.
Are they shipping the insulation upgrades pre-installed now? I just received mine earlier this week.
That is my impression. You will be easily able to see once you unpack your machine. There should be a cover plate on the bottom of the printer that hides the power line wires and the platen should have a silicone rubber padding on the underside.
Are your other WiFi printers using Klipper? In order for WiFi to consistently work, it needs to periodically send packets to keep the routing of your Access Point working. If it sits idle for an unknown period of time, you will no longer be able to ping the board that is running Klipper, as the Access Point router will stop routing. If you do something on the printer to force it to send out network packets, the router in your Access Point should again be working until it times out again. Klipper needs to send out keep-alive packets to keep the Wifi connection alive.
The other Klipper printer I have is the QIDI X Max 3, but I don't see the same issues with that. I appreciate you taking the time to provide more details on how Klipper works. That is very helpful to me. Thanks for your comment.
“Platten” there’s a word I haven’t heard anyone else say for a long long time :)
Warms my heart. Last time I heard platten was in reference to ibm selectric typewriters and hp designjet plotters in the 90s
Lol, well I may have not used the correct word, but that’s what came to mind when I was recording the video.😊
Dangit! There goes more of my wallets life blood! I can't wait!
Interesting printer, thanks for sharing
Thanks for your comment!
Very informative!!
Glad you liked it!
2k seems high for something without a custom UI and lacks finishing details on wires, connectors, and other small details. The frame and motion system looks fantastic. I'm excited about how this will advance Idex printers.
2k is pretty much the price of one or two commercial linear axes alone
I think with a few finishing touches, this could be a great printer for the prosumer market.
How tall are you? The Magneto X looks so big when other people review it, but it looks medium-sized compared to you!
Great video, as always
Lol, it’s smoke and mirrors. No, actually I’m about 6 feet tall (but I am shrinking every year)😊
there is a parameter that no one thinks about: neomidium magnets lose their magnetism at 80⁰/90⁰c if I were to print with a closed chamber at 60⁰c or maybe a few degrees more what would happen... it's not like printing at 20⁰c with an open chamber.. .
Hopefully, Peopoly has taken the temperature impact on the linear motors (which I have to believer they have) because they are even working on an active heated chamber module as an upgrade to the printer.
This is not necessarily true depending on how the magnets are manufactured. Cheap neodymium magnets on Amazon aren’t the best reference. Magnetic linear motor can have very high heat ratings.
HiWin NeFeB linear motors are rated to 120 degrees C. That is 2X the max internal heated chamber temp. Plenty of margin for friction and heat dissipation.
@@mandoreforger6999 in fact I checked the curie graph and the magnetism decays immediately upon reaching the critical temperature....I would have thought that there had been a proportional decay...it's better that way...I hope that this technology will be lower cost in the future to make our homemade toys
@@filipporossifavilli68 true. I sympathize with your comment though, I have had high temp 3d printed parts with amazon magnets inserts in them demagnetize during the printing process demagnetize from the nozzle. I bought higher quality magnets and solved it. That is the only reason I know. It makes me concerned about lead content in cheap magnets.
maybe ad the magnetic feature to the title and or title would be able to reach more ppl
Thanks for the suggestion. I have "Linear Motors in the thumbnail. Are you thinking it would also be helpful if I had "Linear Motors" in the title?
Don't like to hear that fedex decided to remove the pallet. They haven't exactly had a good reputation these last few years, and removing a protecting element like a pallet does nothing to improve that.
Yes, I was surprised that FedEx would remove the pallet if Peopoly shipped the printer with a pallet in the first place.
Why there is so many dislikes?I don't get it. Cool video too.
I appreciate your positive feedback!
Gotta get control of your audio; stop the inrush of noise!
Yes, I need to learn how to improve my audio. Thank you for your feedback.
It sounds like your doing this review in a darth vader mask.
A few people have commented about the audio. I am going to have to figure out how to improve my audio on future videos. Thanks for the candid comment
Kinda funny watching stuff like this once you got a Bambu.
ROTFL 5:00
bowden printer ?...
If I understand your question correctly, I consider this a direct drive printer. The extruder in the print head pulls the filament into the heated zone of the hot end. Does this answer your question adequately? Thanks for your question.
ah okay thats good. It only uses bowden tubes for feed lines.@@ristinnovations
Yes, that is correct.@@Perkeletricksterservantofrher
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This printer does not fill me with confidence, seems like a beta machine...love the innovation though.
I am sorry to have to leave the video, but the audio quality made it uncomfortable to watch
Can you provide more detailed feedback regarding the audio? I want to improve my videos so any details regarding how I can improve the quality would be very much appreciated.
@@ristinnovations I think the issue was the mic was too sensitive, you could hear your coat brushing against it at times, also it picked up a lot of squeaking and crinkling when you were removing things from the packaging and bags. Perhaps some noise cancelling would help? I wouldn't say it was bothersome enough to stop watching the video, but that's just me.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the issues you were hearing with the audio. I will try to learn how to improve the audio.
@@ristinnovations I think you need to change something so that the sharp breath in each of the sentences disappears. Maybe adding a compressor filter might help?
I had to stop watching because of the audio.
Thanks for your feedback. I will study how to improve the audio for my future videos.
might want to actually watch what you edit as this video is unwatchable becorse of all the high whoos you have all the damn time
is it worth the money ???
I think the jury is still out on that question, however I am personally glad I took the chance and bought a Magneto X. As long as Peopoly continues to make improvements to the firmware and software, I think this will be a great printer. These are my thoughts. Thanks for the question.
Just watching the video. My opinion would be no. The only thing kind of neat is the motion system. The rest seams barbaric, especially once you have a Bambu X1C (first printer I didn't build myself). It might be hard to go back to something like this after having a Bambu though.
Depends on your use case... this machine has a huge build volume and some very high flow hotends. But, yes Bambu has set the bar high for user experience.
I think a more fair comparison would be to a Kickstarter X1C which had numerous issues. Early units like this one had a steep $500 discount.