I doubt anyone could watch your videos and question the value of your input Robbie. Seriously man, thank you. I appreciate everything you do. You're a huge influence on me as a disc golfer, and how I improve and enjoy my game more every time.
i really like this video, i'm a new player, and i have been told to start my throw lower, but no one was ever able to tell me why, now that i know why, i can actually start trying to make it better
Can I make a suggestion that most U-Toob videos overlook... Are you aiming to be the world's best disc golfer (or at lest right up there with them).. Or do you want to hang with your mates, not look bad.. and maybe even make them look bad once in a while... If the next Simon/Gannon was once known by the nickname dragonslayerdeko2703 (uhhh I take it that's not your actual name... or have I just offended you and your 80's DND playing parents)... then I guess ignore me from this point (I'm used to it)... If, on the other hand you might try a suggestion from a 50+yo 850 rated 100m (330ft) max thrower that's fitting in comfortably as a slightly above local average... Lessee... 1st I'm going to make some assumptions... You throw Righthanded Backhanded (most are right handed and your watching a backhand throwing video. You throw your discs up in the air, they stall and go left (you can swap left for right from here if your a lefty.. I'm semi ambidextrous myself but RH Disc golf, RHBH dominant) If your disc doesn't stall it just yeets off to the left meaning you almost always end up on the left side of the field. This is basically the way all disc golfers start when they pick up a disc and get no formal training... BUT.. YouGoob videos formal training is almost all 'And then you'll be throwing 500ft" so... Try this... STAND STILL.. After 3 years I'm finally working on this and can throw 300ft+ and often more accurately BUT with other factors... STOP THROWING HYZER... Stand still, Throw Flat... Stand up straight ! Stop throwing hard... throw flat... SLOWLY.. Don't reach back into another time zone so lets see if we can put that into a step by step... 1st look for a "neutral" disc... something with the last 2 numbers small and mirrored.. maybe the 2n'd to last a little bigger... So a Crave or better yet A Leopard (Every good player probably has an old Leopard you can borrow. Stand on the tee with your back ever so slightly facing the basket. and STAND UP STRAIGHT! Have enough gap between your legs that someone behind you laying on the ground can see the basket through your legs (lets not questioning why someone is back there... ignore them) hold your forearm across in front of you level (get that elbow up.. think the chicken dance...like your about to elbow me in the head for getting you to do this) Now just practice (without moving your feet) turning away from the basket and push the disc in-line, away from the basket... not to far.. just slow... pull that disc back to your chest, turn a bit toward the basket and pull the disc out to a straight arm at the basket... BUT keep the disc in a straight line to the basket.. The result is an action a bit like your trying to cut your head off with the disc. Elbow always at the same height as the disc. The disc always flat with the ground. Note as you turn and pull the disc past your chest (it should almost hit your throwing arm shoulder mid way, that the last part of the travel has your arm go from fully bent (keep that dang elbow up... CHICKEN WING... CHICKEN WING!!!!) to fully straight basically pointing level at the basket... You can almost practice this, no disc, both elbows up. sway back and forth at the hips and let your arms flail out and back as you turn left & right (Hey your practicing a lefty throw now). I forgot to say... LOOK STRAIGHT AHEAD.. (so perpendicular to the target) ... You know where the basket is so DON'T LOOK AT IT.. EVER (Well once the disc is loose you might want to see where it went.... So sick of feeling like a washing machine now... OK... Something you need to note that your washing machine does... that YOU MUST DO TOO... When agitating... your washing machine (ok assuming a top loader too.. .bare with me)... When agitating.. Your washing machine doesn't just hit 100mph instantly, stop dead and hit 100mph in the other direction... It slowly accelerates to the peak then slows down, and slowly accelerates the other way... (OMG if you get that right you'll be so much better than me. I still accelerate way to soon. SO... do your washing machine dance.. I said GET THOSE ELBOWS UP!!! Slow until the leading arm hand nearly hits your shoulder, THEN put a bit of speed into it and once your arm ends up straight, slow down, then back the other way... Rinse/Repeat... So now your a washing machine with a quicker bit in the middle.. with flailing arms... but it should be fairly smooth (like your washing machine on agitate, no sudden stop/starts or those flappy paddle bits in the center will get ripped off by your jeans... uhh sorry, getting a bit far into that washing machine analogy... SO... Now you have that level arm washing machine thing going for you... Grab a disc... You can look up 'Power Grip"... Disc hard down on your pointing fingers middle joint, top of the disc hard up under the palm of your thumb (Life line if your into that)... but don't grip it with all your strength... actually just grip really hard with your little finger, your hand will do the rest... do a few agitate cycles with the disc... Almost there.... Ever got a towel and flicked someone in the butt with it... Think about that... Familiar?... Reaching back... Hand comes into the shoulder then an explosion as your hand travels straight at that butt till the arm is straight.. towel does the rest... so that same action.. but your flicking that basket in the back of the head... did I mention keeping your elbow UP... arm level.. ok you don't need to whip your hand back like you do trying to leave a blood blister on your mates glutes... but when you finally want to throw that disc... that's the sort of acceleration... BUT... Your not going to go that hard... your doing that washing machine agitate speed... so maybe back off the grip just a little and almost just keep your little finger holding the disc at the end of your straight arm and hopefully it will say enough and pull out... FLAT because you kept your elbow up, your back straight, you didn't look at the target (yet). AND you pulled it, accelerating SLOWLY up to your chest and only then give it a bit more huff... Now... When doing all that Washing machine... did you notice something with your flailing arms.... they were "Flailing"... in fact yo fast enough and they were Towel whipping fast... Yet you weren't actually pulling your arms AT ALL... you were just turning your shoulders and your arms were just along for the ride..... get all that right... and you're throw a disc only head height off the ground... flat... and maybe 10 ft (because that's a lot to take in...) but this time you remembered not to look at the basket... and it goes 200ft dead straight.... now play with that. Phew... Your still here... Ok, now count all the times I used the Period and you'll discover I just wasted another 5 minutes you could have spent practicing the washing machine... oh... and GET THAT ELBOW UP!
Thank you!! This is something I’ve been needing in my life. I can’t afford lessons so your knowledge that you give us for free is priceless. Gonna try this as soon as I’m home after getting my kids from school 😅
I have the same problem currently and didnt realize it until taking videos. Which only started because ive been trying to start arming the disc more and not opening up. This video even more convinced me of my decision to get a tech disc and net for Christmas. At this point I have a lot of the knowledge of how to fix but having data and a way to practice well everyday.
I changed my nose angle by holding the disc where the stamp is pointed at my chest and pulling through and turning my wrist to what angle I want and I naturally throw nose down. Very consistently too. It changed everything for me
this is turning the key as he mentioned. 🙂 I generated horrible wobble with this personally, not saying its wrong just that you need to really practice it go figure out how far to let the disc face you and when to turn it and how fast to turn it to hit that perfect moment before release ect. Just hints for anyone who tries this.
4:33 I love when you say something that makes all the sense in the world. I have struggled with nose up, especially with drivers, but I'm not working on form with drivers! 🤦 I'm using my throwing putter and mids. I guess it is important to listen to the first 5 minutes Mr. UA-cam man! Also love throwing nose up approaches. I can still use power without worrying about it blowing too far past the basket.
I think your videos are among the best out there. For a beginner like myself they are easy to follow and informative. I'm primarily a forehand throw because of shoulder issues and it just feels more natural to me. Great tips all around
this is the video I have been looking for. I have struggled with nose angle for a while and just recently have found a solution but havn't quite grasped the full concept to make it work every time. It started out with the turn the key concept and a bit of mixing in with that much lower reach back. I have since dialed it back and it seemed to be working, but this video really solidifies what I was working towards and helps me understand the importance of launch angle. Thanks Robbie!
Thank you Robbie C. Ezra still pours the coffee; Works for him, if it works for you too; This comment isn't for you; It's a critique of pouring the coffee. To me; I have 3 critiques with pouring the coffee 1) Unlike darts where all the pros are locking the wrist; It's a firm fundamental in darts, In disc golf Arm speed and despite you're not engaging an active wrist like with that forehand in the backhand that tension is a brake. I believe it reduces distance potential 2) Happens at peak reach back. It's its own process to shoe horn into your Backhand timing at a crucial moment. 3) Thanks to Robbie C's insight (get well by the way). You have an option with launch angle and a brilliant drill to utilize and benefit.
Super helpful. I finally have a reasonable x step and brace, so was going to focus of nose angle next. Realizing now that my launch angle is actually super inconsistent, after thinking about it while watching your video. Thanks as always!
7:46 I think that tech disc and the disc throwing robot that Simon has linked up with could help improve the accuracy of the numbers within the software that tech disc is using for the projected numbers 🤷♂️👍💯
Great word on how the throw is a bunch of connected links in the chain and if you work on the first links, a lot of times, the end links will come online naturally
Preach about people hating the pre-emptive "tee talk." Lol! Just did a video like that and all I could think was how everyone is going to hate there's more gab than action. Lol! But there's so much to say! Keep on keepin on, Robbie C! ❤
positive launch angle and negative nose angle is super difficult. I achieve it on occasion but not consistently. Launch angle goes back to that "invisible window" in the flight path that we want to hit in order to achieve the flight intended. Not getting their by positive nose angle but by the launch angle. Another way to think about this is what height in the apex of the flight do I need to achieve in order to reach the distance required for this shot? Calvin H can throw a 450ft shot 5ft off the ground. Most of us cannot. Few of us can throw 300ft with the disc 5ft off the ground. So hitting that launch angle consistently with power helps us to achieve the outcome desired.
My buddy who barely plays was complimenting a throw of mine. In describing the flight, I realized he was definitely explaining an unintentional air-bounce from a nose-up throw at the ground. It was withering, haha.
Thanks for the video Robbie I’ll I have to try this. I purchased a TechDisc about three weeks ago for the sole purpose of trying to correct nose angle and launch angle. I watched a lot of videos from overthrow and how Josh was working with a man inside using the TechDisc and trying to get him to throw the nose angle down at the same time serving the pizza with a positive launch angle. I thought with the TechDisc I could fix this pretty easily, but it has been very frustrating. Also switched from starting off I don’t know the term but pouring the tea to now using the suitcase back reach and then turning the key to get my nose angle. I have found it almost impossible to get a negative nose angle and a positive launch angle on any consistent basis. . I also seem to not be able to throw anything flat unless I really stand up straight otherwise everything’s on a hyzer. This disc golf stuff is hard. 😂😂😂. Oh, by the way, you totally lost me when you got to playing in the dirt. 😂
This is interesting; sort of the inverse of the classic drill where you teach yourself nose angle by deliberately throwing the disc into the ground right in front of you, and then gradually pushing the distance out until you are trying to 'hit the ground' at 350.' An issue this raises for me, though, is that when I aim at a spot on my net my tendency to turn into the shot prematurely is exacerbated; trying to see if I'm hitting the target, I throw and turn my head and shoulders too early. I don't recall you saying this explicitly, but recording this kind of drill from behind is useful for people like me who are trying to reinforce patience in the throw.
Great video Robbie!!. You needed to give the theory so that we can imagine what the practical looks like. I've watched hundreds of videos where they don't go through this twin process of launch vs nose angle. You also described exactly, two common traits to my game. First, I don't get the expected flight with under stable discs, and second, the same disc sometimes has two very different flight paths. Thanks for taking grief from others so that I get the benefit of learning this subject!! By the way, you can figure out the proper height for 10 degrees, and that is 17" rise for 8 feet distance on a level field.
Thank you for this video! I truly think launch angle is my big rock issue keeping me from consistency and causing me to throw nose up way too much. I can throw 275' - 300' pretty consistently, but only get +300' on grip locks and in ideal wind conditions/downhill drives. I have been trying for so long to throw the disc "down" and I am sure that my instinct to try to counter a downward throw with an equally "up" recovery angle is causing me to "swoosh" and is the issue. I know I have a slower arm speed and I feel that is why I get better results with fairway drivers, but I am wondering now if I could fix this launch angle if I could get better results with distance drivers too, and not just have them hyzer crash at the same distance I can comfortably drive fairway drivers. I have been getting more positive results with the "winning the arm wrestle" and "throwing the elbow" from your previous videos. Thanks again!
When you were talking about the nose up anlge being to far up reminded of something i was watching Aircrash investagation & it's what they call an Airodynamic Stall where the leading edge is to high. Does all of what you were talking/showing also work for Forehand as all you have been showing is Backhand, i have a better Forehand as aposed to my Backhand & the fact that my throwing hand shoulder is not at all good, (My RH shoulder got damaged mant years ago) hencr why i throw Forehand as it put less stress on the shoulder joint.
The thing so many people dont understand about nose angle is as much as it is a release thing, its also equally or more important to get your weight forward and body into the right positions.
When filming your throws, make sure your camera is exactly perpendicular to your throwing direction. Sounds obvious, but it's not necessarily the same as your run-up direction. You don't want to confuse nose angle with hyzer angle when analyzing your throws.
I would say nose up is actually most consistent, because almost everything flies overstable. Pros throw most approach shots nose up for distance control
15:36 regarding your net, I think that might actually be the GoSports 12x9 net, is it not? I cannot find the 10x10 even on the manufacturer site. Plz link it if you can. Either way, that btw is a good call, a big ol’ net, so as not to be even subconsciously worried about whether you’re going to miss the net or not, and inadvertently adjusting something mechanically that might not translate well to your throws out on the course. You can apply full focus to your throw mechanics and and what not. Thanks for the video, as well as all your videos, I am enjoying them and learning a lot.
I struggle with a positive launch angle when throwing into a net largely due to the fear of throwing the disc over the net. Bigger net = problem solved.
4years in and 1.5 years into throwing understable discs. I’m not sure if I’m doing this right or if I’m just using a super beat up disc but I’ve found if I throw BH at a super sharp hyzer, the discs turn is super high and far to the right. Good for going up big hills. Is that normal or do I have a crazy shaped thrasher?
for me.. Im so new ( 4 months ) I don't care about trying to make it go left or right for the most part. Right now Im just trying to get it to go longer than 250 all the time and " straight ish " .. work more on left and right after
I have a really hard time with nose angle with forehand. If it use the stack grip my nose angle is 7 degrees or higher. If I use the power grip it is closer to 0
Do the numbers for nose angle on the tech disc reflect the nose angle relative to launch angle, or independently of launch angle? Does that make sense?
I was thinking.. When I succeed in throwing straight and low (1,5-2,5 m high) (nor rarely) up to 75-85 m (that it's not far from my maximum distance - 105 m), I shouldn't throw nose up. But when I have space to throw higher I reach the same distance (75-85 m or less), and I have the impression of throwing nose up...
For people without a tech disc, Robbie just go measure how high your clip is on your net then figure the difference between that and your height. This should work out into a sort of equation for people to use their height to mark a net close to the correct launch angle, in theory it should work 🤷🏼♂️ haha
The formula is sin(8) * x=height above throw. x is distance from your net. A rule of thumb is you want one foot of rise for every 6 to 7 feet you are from the net.
Nope. Gave him another try and listened to 25 minutes of him not saying much of anything. Heard a piece about his upshot, why he has a 10' net, etc. I did a lot of fast forwarding and I think out of 25 mind the message is to go from low to high. I've already heard that one a million times.
Hrm. Robbie, have you ever thought about recording yourself making a UA-cam video? Really review your form? It's really the only way to improve your technique quickly.
so you're aware that people want you to hurry up and deliver on the video title but you mock them? we clicked because we want to know your tip on throwing nose down. we already know we want to throw nose down, we don't need over 10 minutes of persuasive discourse on how important nose angle is before the 10 second tip.
I love Robbie but this was a ton of rambling and very little nose down conversation. Very little discussion of release or hand placement/positioning. It’s took 15 minutes to introduce the clip. Like I said, I love Robbie but a lot of noise in what I would describe the wrong order and not even nose down talk.
I disagree. The context he provided beforehand was very helpful for me as someone who doesn't have a coach, is a newer player, and is working on all these things. Everything he mentioned made sense to me. The only thing I wish I had was a tech disc, so even his tips on how to help determine your angle without one were helpful.
Robbie has an insane work ethic and 0 ego. THAT is why he is able to fix things in SUCH a short time. Absolute beast of a student AND coach.
I saw this uploaded in my feed and went “oh this on is for me specifically”
rambly AND informative! THANK YOU ROBBIE!!!
I doubt anyone could watch your videos and question the value of your input Robbie. Seriously man, thank you. I appreciate everything you do. You're a huge influence on me as a disc golfer, and how I improve and enjoy my game more every time.
i really like this video, i'm a new player, and i have been told to start my throw lower, but no one was ever able to tell me why, now that i know why, i can actually start trying to make it better
Can I make a suggestion that most U-Toob videos overlook...
Are you aiming to be the world's best disc golfer (or at lest right up there with them)..
Or do you want to hang with your mates, not look bad.. and maybe even make them look bad once in a while...
If the next Simon/Gannon was once known by the nickname dragonslayerdeko2703 (uhhh I take it that's not your actual name... or have I just offended you and your 80's DND playing parents)... then I guess ignore me from this point (I'm used to it)...
If, on the other hand you might try a suggestion from a 50+yo 850 rated 100m (330ft) max thrower that's fitting in comfortably as a slightly above local average...
Lessee...
1st I'm going to make some assumptions...
You throw Righthanded Backhanded (most are right handed and your watching a backhand throwing video.
You throw your discs up in the air, they stall and go left (you can swap left for right from here if your a lefty.. I'm semi ambidextrous myself but RH Disc golf, RHBH dominant)
If your disc doesn't stall it just yeets off to the left meaning you almost always end up on the left side of the field.
This is basically the way all disc golfers start when they pick up a disc and get no formal training... BUT.. YouGoob videos formal training is almost all 'And then you'll be throwing 500ft"
so...
Try this... STAND STILL.. After 3 years I'm finally working on this and can throw 300ft+ and often more accurately BUT with other factors...
STOP THROWING HYZER... Stand still, Throw Flat... Stand up straight !
Stop throwing hard... throw flat... SLOWLY..
Don't reach back into another time zone
so lets see if we can put that into a step by step...
1st look for a "neutral" disc... something with the last 2 numbers small and mirrored.. maybe the 2n'd to last a little bigger...
So a Crave or better yet A Leopard (Every good player probably has an old Leopard you can borrow.
Stand on the tee with your back ever so slightly facing the basket. and STAND UP STRAIGHT!
Have enough gap between your legs that someone behind you laying on the ground can see the basket through your legs (lets not questioning why someone is back there... ignore them)
hold your forearm across in front of you level (get that elbow up.. think the chicken dance...like your about to elbow me in the head for getting you to do this)
Now just practice (without moving your feet) turning away from the basket and push the disc in-line, away from the basket... not to far.. just slow...
pull that disc back to your chest, turn a bit toward the basket and pull the disc out to a straight arm at the basket... BUT keep the disc in a straight line to the basket..
The result is an action a bit like your trying to cut your head off with the disc. Elbow always at the same height as the disc. The disc always flat with the ground.
Note as you turn and pull the disc past your chest (it should almost hit your throwing arm shoulder mid way, that the last part of the travel has your arm go from fully bent (keep that dang elbow up... CHICKEN WING... CHICKEN WING!!!!) to fully straight basically pointing level at the basket...
You can almost practice this, no disc, both elbows up. sway back and forth at the hips and let your arms flail out and back as you turn left & right (Hey your practicing a lefty throw now).
I forgot to say... LOOK STRAIGHT AHEAD.. (so perpendicular to the target) ... You know where the basket is so DON'T LOOK AT IT.. EVER (Well once the disc is loose you might want to see where it went....
So sick of feeling like a washing machine now... OK... Something you need to note that your washing machine does... that YOU MUST DO TOO...
When agitating... your washing machine (ok assuming a top loader too.. .bare with me)...
When agitating.. Your washing machine doesn't just hit 100mph instantly, stop dead and hit 100mph in the other direction...
It slowly accelerates to the peak then slows down, and slowly accelerates the other way... (OMG if you get that right you'll be so much better than me. I still accelerate way to soon.
SO... do your washing machine dance.. I said GET THOSE ELBOWS UP!!!
Slow until the leading arm hand nearly hits your shoulder, THEN put a bit of speed into it and once your arm ends up straight, slow down, then back the other way...
Rinse/Repeat...
So now your a washing machine with a quicker bit in the middle.. with flailing arms... but it should be fairly smooth (like your washing machine on agitate, no sudden stop/starts or those flappy paddle bits in the center will get ripped off by your jeans... uhh sorry, getting a bit far into that washing machine analogy...
SO... Now you have that level arm washing machine thing going for you... Grab a disc...
You can look up 'Power Grip"...
Disc hard down on your pointing fingers middle joint, top of the disc hard up under the palm of your thumb (Life line if your into that)...
but don't grip it with all your strength... actually just grip really hard with your little finger, your hand will do the rest...
do a few agitate cycles with the disc...
Almost there....
Ever got a towel and flicked someone in the butt with it... Think about that... Familiar?... Reaching back... Hand comes into the shoulder then an explosion as your hand travels straight at that butt till the arm is straight.. towel does the rest...
so that same action.. but your flicking that basket in the back of the head... did I mention keeping your elbow UP... arm level.. ok you don't need to whip your hand back like you do trying to leave a blood blister on your mates glutes... but when you finally want to throw that disc... that's the sort of acceleration...
BUT... Your not going to go that hard... your doing that washing machine agitate speed... so maybe back off the grip just a little and almost just keep your little finger holding the disc at the end of your straight arm and hopefully it will say enough and pull out... FLAT because you kept your elbow up, your back straight, you didn't look at the target (yet).
AND you pulled it, accelerating SLOWLY up to your chest and only then give it a bit more huff...
Now... When doing all that Washing machine... did you notice something with your flailing arms.... they were "Flailing"... in fact yo fast enough and they were Towel whipping fast... Yet you weren't actually pulling your arms AT ALL... you were just turning your shoulders and your arms were just along for the ride.....
get all that right... and you're throw a disc only head height off the ground... flat... and maybe 10 ft (because that's a lot to take in...) but this time you remembered not to look at the basket... and it goes 200ft dead straight....
now play with that.
Phew... Your still here... Ok, now count all the times I used the Period and you'll discover I just wasted another 5 minutes you could have spent practicing the washing machine...
oh... and GET THAT ELBOW UP!
Thank you!! This is something I’ve been needing in my life. I can’t afford lessons so your knowledge that you give us for free is priceless. Gonna try this as soon as I’m home after getting my kids from school 😅
I have the same problem currently and didnt realize it until taking videos. Which only started because ive been trying to start arming the disc more and not opening up. This video even more convinced me of my decision to get a tech disc and net for Christmas. At this point I have a lot of the knowledge of how to fix but having data and a way to practice well everyday.
I changed my nose angle by holding the disc where the stamp is pointed at my chest and pulling through and turning my wrist to what angle I want and I naturally throw nose down. Very consistently too. It changed everything for me
this is turning the key as he mentioned. 🙂 I generated horrible wobble with this personally, not saying its wrong just that you need to really practice it go figure out how far to let the disc face you and when to turn it and how fast to turn it to hit that perfect moment before release ect. Just hints for anyone who tries this.
This was incredible. You’re awesome man. Great tips, great personality, and always good vibes. ❤
4:33 I love when you say something that makes all the sense in the world. I have struggled with nose up, especially with drivers, but I'm not working on form with drivers! 🤦 I'm using my throwing putter and mids. I guess it is important to listen to the first 5 minutes Mr. UA-cam man!
Also love throwing nose up approaches. I can still use power without worrying about it blowing too far past the basket.
@22:25 - thank you for this and putting the different keys in a recommended order. You have no idea how much this hits home right now.👍
I think your videos are among the best out there. For a beginner like myself they are easy to follow and informative. I'm primarily a forehand throw because of shoulder issues and it just feels more natural to me. Great tips all around
this is the video I have been looking for. I have struggled with nose angle for a while and just recently have found a solution but havn't quite grasped the full concept to make it work every time. It started out with the turn the key concept and a bit of mixing in with that much lower reach back. I have since dialed it back and it seemed to be working, but this video really solidifies what I was working towards and helps me understand the importance of launch angle. Thanks Robbie!
Thank you, Mr. Disc Golf Man.
Thank you Mr. UA-cam Man, going out today to try this.
I just started trying this method today in an actual round and... yeah, it works for me so far.
Great video! Love this brother.
Great info. This will improve my game. Not to mention all of the In The Bag episodes.
Feel better soon Robbie C. Love the video and I always find your videos awesome. I loved my virtual lesson and hope to do another one soon 🎉
We love this goofy UA-cam man
Thank you Robbie C. Ezra still pours the coffee; Works for him, if it works for you too; This comment isn't for you; It's a critique of pouring the coffee.
To me; I have 3 critiques with pouring the coffee
1) Unlike darts where all the pros are locking the wrist; It's a firm fundamental in darts, In disc golf Arm speed and despite you're not engaging an active wrist like with that forehand in the backhand that tension is a brake. I believe it reduces distance potential
2) Happens at peak reach back. It's its own process to shoe horn into your Backhand timing at a crucial moment.
3) Thanks to Robbie C's insight (get well by the way). You have an option with launch angle and a brilliant drill to utilize and benefit.
you are exactly right with the launch angle. nice break down. everyone should mess with it even without tech disc
This was perfect, I'm very new to disc golf still, so I am going to really aim to apply this into my evolving form. Thank you sir.
Bro almost everything you put out is helpful. So just keep slammin’ em out.
Super helpful. I finally have a reasonable x step and brace, so was going to focus of nose angle next. Realizing now that my launch angle is actually super inconsistent, after thinking about it while watching your video. Thanks as always!
This is great! I've found that Backloading my grip has helped too 🤝
Thanks you Robbie!! My friends have been telling me I don’t keep my shots nose down enough and this should help.
7:46 I think that tech disc and the disc throwing robot that Simon has linked up with could help improve the accuracy of the numbers within the software that tech disc is using for the projected numbers 🤷♂️👍💯
Great word on how the throw is a bunch of connected links in the chain and if you work on the first links, a lot of times, the end links will come online naturally
Preach about people hating the pre-emptive "tee talk." Lol! Just did a video like that and all I could think was how everyone is going to hate there's more gab than action. Lol! But there's so much to say! Keep on keepin on, Robbie C! ❤
Thank you, Robbie. I have a Techdisc, but I do not know what to look for. Keep advising those of us with lots of data but no individual coach.
Next year invite these fellas to the Howler
positive launch angle and negative nose angle is super difficult. I achieve it on occasion but not consistently. Launch angle goes back to that "invisible window" in the flight path that we want to hit in order to achieve the flight intended. Not getting their by positive nose angle but by the launch angle. Another way to think about this is what height in the apex of the flight do I need to achieve in order to reach the distance required for this shot? Calvin H can throw a 450ft shot 5ft off the ground. Most of us cannot. Few of us can throw 300ft with the disc 5ft off the ground. So hitting that launch angle consistently with power helps us to achieve the outcome desired.
Was nice meeting you at timbrook park the other day
My buddy who barely plays was complimenting a throw of mine. In describing the flight, I realized he was definitely explaining an unintentional air-bounce from a nose-up throw at the ground.
It was withering, haha.
Thanks for the video Robbie I’ll I have to try this. I purchased a TechDisc about three weeks ago for the sole purpose of trying to correct nose angle and launch angle. I watched a lot of videos from overthrow and how Josh was working with a man inside using the TechDisc and trying to get him to throw the nose angle down at the same time serving the pizza with a positive launch angle. I thought with the TechDisc I could fix this pretty easily, but it has been very frustrating. Also switched from starting off I don’t know the term but pouring the tea to now using the suitcase back reach and then turning the key to get my nose angle. I have found it almost impossible to get a negative nose angle and a positive launch angle on any consistent basis. . I also seem to not be able to throw anything flat unless I really stand up straight otherwise everything’s on a hyzer. This disc golf stuff is hard. 😂😂😂. Oh, by the way, you totally lost me when you got to playing in the dirt. 😂
I think a teacher tried set the stage for this previously. I’ll have to try it. Thanks.
This is interesting; sort of the inverse of the classic drill where you teach yourself nose angle by deliberately throwing the disc into the ground right in front of you, and then gradually pushing the distance out until you are trying to 'hit the ground' at 350.'
An issue this raises for me, though, is that when I aim at a spot on my net my tendency to turn into the shot prematurely is exacerbated; trying to see if I'm hitting the target, I throw and turn my head and shoulders too early. I don't recall you saying this explicitly, but recording this kind of drill from behind is useful for people like me who are trying to reinforce patience in the throw.
Great video Robbie!!. You needed to give the theory so that we can imagine what the practical looks like. I've watched hundreds of videos where they don't go through this twin process of launch vs nose angle. You also described exactly, two common traits to my game. First, I don't get the expected flight with under stable discs, and second, the same disc sometimes has two very different flight paths. Thanks for taking grief from others so that I get the benefit of learning this subject!! By the way, you can figure out the proper height for 10 degrees, and that is 17" rise for 8 feet distance on a level field.
Thank you for this video! I truly think launch angle is my big rock issue keeping me from consistency and causing me to throw nose up way too much. I can throw 275' - 300' pretty consistently, but only get +300' on grip locks and in ideal wind conditions/downhill drives. I have been trying for so long to throw the disc "down" and I am sure that my instinct to try to counter a downward throw with an equally "up" recovery angle is causing me to "swoosh" and is the issue. I know I have a slower arm speed and I feel that is why I get better results with fairway drivers, but I am wondering now if I could fix this launch angle if I could get better results with distance drivers too, and not just have them hyzer crash at the same distance I can comfortably drive fairway drivers. I have been getting more positive results with the "winning the arm wrestle" and "throwing the elbow" from your previous videos. Thanks again!
The irony that I throw nose-up (most of the time) but putt very nose-down without meaning to...
When you were talking about the nose up anlge being to far up reminded of something i was watching Aircrash investagation & it's what they call an Airodynamic Stall where the leading edge is to high.
Does all of what you were talking/showing also work for Forehand as all you have been showing is Backhand, i have a better Forehand as aposed to my Backhand & the fact that my throwing hand shoulder is not at all good, (My RH shoulder got damaged mant years ago) hencr why i throw Forehand as it put less stress on the shoulder joint.
THE VIDEO ACTUALLY STARTS @ 7:00! 😂
Tnx and get well!
Great video. Will try the clothespin idea for sure. Makes sense.
The thing so many people dont understand about nose angle is as much as it is a release thing, its also equally or more important to get your weight forward and body into the right positions.
I'm fackin great, thanks for asking.
Pretty sure it was a blocked nose Graham sorry mate I played it about 6 times to convince myself 😂
When filming your throws, make sure your camera is exactly perpendicular to your throwing direction. Sounds obvious, but it's not necessarily the same as your run-up direction. You don't want to confuse nose angle with hyzer angle when analyzing your throws.
Thank you Robbie. Can I get the link for the net?
Like this comment if you clicked on this video to just watch this goofy UA-cam man
My problem is telling the difference between throwing nose up vs launch angle, because they can look similar
I would say nose up is actually most consistent, because almost everything flies overstable. Pros throw most approach shots nose up for distance control
15:36 regarding your net, I think that might actually be the GoSports 12x9 net, is it not? I cannot find the 10x10 even on the manufacturer site. Plz link it if you can.
Either way, that btw is a good call, a big ol’ net, so as not to be even subconsciously worried about whether you’re going to miss the net or not, and inadvertently adjusting something mechanically that might not translate well to your throws out on the course. You can apply full focus to your throw mechanics and and what not.
Thanks for the video, as well as all your videos, I am enjoying them and learning a lot.
Do you think that frisbees can smell water and will always fly unexpectedly near said water??? I feel like that is totally valid. 😁
Mine do 😒
I struggle with a positive launch angle when throwing into a net largely due to the fear of throwing the disc over the net. Bigger net = problem solved.
I 100% agree im throwing 410-450 max and its nose up. I cannot figure it out ive been trying everything.
4years in and 1.5 years into throwing understable discs. I’m not sure if I’m doing this right or if I’m just using a super beat up disc but I’ve found if I throw BH at a super sharp hyzer, the discs turn is super high and far to the right. Good for going up big hills. Is that normal or do I have a crazy shaped thrasher?
I finally recorded myself today, and I absolutely do throw nose up, just about every time. Really trying to fix this properly
Nice vid but you could honestly make a shorts version of distilled info that would likely spread to more people
I firmly believe arm speed is way overblown and nose angle is THE most important aspect of the throw.
for me.. Im so new ( 4 months ) I don't care about trying to make it go left or right for the most part. Right now Im just trying to get it to go longer than 250 all the time and
" straight ish " .. work more on left and right after
I have a really hard time with nose angle with forehand. If it use the stack grip my nose angle is 7 degrees or higher. If I use the power grip it is closer to 0
Do the numbers for nose angle on the tech disc reflect the nose angle relative to launch angle, or independently of launch angle? Does that make sense?
I was wondering this too. Does it measure relative to launch angle or relative to the horizon/gravity?
Techdisc nose angle is relative to launch angle
Where did you get that shirt tho? 🔥🔥
I was thinking.. When I succeed in throwing straight and low (1,5-2,5 m high) (nor rarely) up to 75-85 m (that it's not far from my maximum distance - 105 m), I shouldn't throw nose up. But when I have space to throw higher I reach the same distance (75-85 m or less), and I have the impression of throwing nose up...
What helped me to throw nose down was to lean into the throw, like I'm trying to bust through a door with my shoulder
Hey when you’re in Lynchburg can I get some coaching????!!!
You can also use a tape measure and trigonometry to figure it out.
So I see how this is helpful for people who has all that. What about if we don't have a net , teck disc, and net? What then?
You'll get your steps in picking up your discs.
Would it be safe to say that 8 to 10 degrees is right about nose height for most people?
I always find it funny how people think nose angle is an easy button to distance.
For people without a tech disc, Robbie just go measure how high your clip is on your net then figure the difference between that and your height. This should work out into a sort of equation for people to use their height to mark a net close to the correct launch angle, in theory it should work 🤷🏼♂️ haha
You can soh cah toa it for a ballpark estimate
The formula is sin(8) * x=height above throw. x is distance from your net. A rule of thumb is you want one foot of rise for every 6 to 7 feet you are from the net.
The video starts at 0:00
So are you throwing your in round tee shots at 8 to 10 degrees now? It's good info, but it's not really clear on that ?
If I’m able to hit 500ft with my nose angle being slightly up, what could be my potential distance gained by getting the nose down?
501ft. Kidding. 500 is amazing! Good stuff.
Robbie,…Link for the net please?
what if you go for a lower angle...say 3%? Or is 8 to 10 the sweetspot?
@@bernan1 8-10 is the distance sweet spot for golf lines!
This is ironic because I was just trying to figure out how to eliminate the Swoop last night😂 your problems are my problems brother✌️
It took me 7 years to be able to throw nose down consistently
The whole video is setting the table? oopsies
95% of all disc golfers are throwing nose up - including me!
The video actually starts at 7 minutes grubble grubble grubble
But... I don't wanna throw up. :D
Nope. Gave him another try and listened to 25 minutes of him not saying much of anything. Heard a piece about his upshot, why he has a 10' net, etc. I did a lot of fast forwarding and I think out of 25 mind the message is to go from low to high. I've already heard that one a million times.
Love your stuff, but 25 minutes of a video where you repeat yourself a lot is something to work on.
Hopefully that helps you like your videos help me
Hrm. Robbie, have you ever thought about recording yourself making a UA-cam video? Really review your form? It's really the only way to improve your technique quickly.
lost another 50 feet
…but… but… I LIKE watching goofy UA-cam men… err… people… err…
so you're aware that people want you to hurry up and deliver on the video title but you mock them? we clicked because we want to know your tip on throwing nose down. we already know we want to throw nose down, we don't need over 10 minutes of persuasive discourse on how important nose angle is before the 10 second tip.
I love Robbie but this was a ton of rambling and very little nose down conversation. Very little discussion of release or hand placement/positioning. It’s took 15 minutes to introduce the clip.
Like I said, I love Robbie but a lot of noise in what I would describe the wrong order and not even nose down talk.
I disagree. The context he provided beforehand was very helpful for me as someone who doesn't have a coach, is a newer player, and is working on all these things. Everything he mentioned made sense to me. The only thing I wish I had was a tech disc, so even his tips on how to help determine your angle without one were helpful.
@ so what angle should your hand be at based on this video?