Supercharged S2000 Reliability - (Buy Used)
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2017
- My supercharged S2000 has been very reliable on the race track up until the recent engine failure. It also ended up being cheaper to buy than a comparable clean title NA S2000.
I still need to tear down the engine, but at this point it looks like a rod failure. I will update next week with the plans for this S2000. - Авто та транспорт
It's all in the tune my man! I have a Si that has been supercharged for 3+ years and I haven't touched a thing since I installed it, engine still runs perfect
My fbo tuned on standalone s2000 has been running fine since fall 2017...prolly cuz.
EBTEC!
Put a Kraftwerks kit on my S2000, year 2000. Added better clutch and radiator. Runs great and has been reliable. No issues so far, and the power is really fun to have!
Thank you for continuing to share your adventures.
Hi Zent big thank you for sacrificing your s2000 to educate us on what boost can do to an S2000
You've confirmed my biggest concern of supercharging an S2000 I supercharged mine this past July, put about 2500 miles on it. It is fun. I was recommended by Speedfactory of Tacoma to go with a CT engineering supercharger kit, I upgraded the clutch, competition stage 2 1000cc fuel injectors , fuel pump, mine is an 04 had to get a new ECU it was not a cheap build and I'm not done , I'm not a mechanic but I don't mind spending if it is quality work Rich Tuned in Auburn Wash tuned it hats off to Rich he's a very talented man it runs great
Overall at this point I'm very happy with it I don't plan on going to a NASCAR track I will be keeping a close eye on how everything's running I was also thinking next year on getting a compression check what do you think ?
Check it out at Cohisive Garage supercharged s2000 UA-cam
My turbo S2000 is sitting in the garage and not running right now. So much money spent going boosted, but when she is running right, so worth it.
Straight forward honest video. Great stuff
Great video zent. Always straight to the point. I'm on the fence of spend 5,400$ CAD on a Kraft werks kit. I want more out of my S. But I want reliability. It's an original 6/1999 ap1 with 82,xxx Klm. It's daily driven in the summer and enjoy tracking at calabogie moto sports . Gorgeous track. Not sure where I'm going here.. Keep up the awesome videos. I know out of everything you own, the S is your baby :)
I personally have a pruning turbo kit on my s2000 making 588whp on the stock 130,000 miles engine. Never had any problems for the past 10 years but then again I’m sure my car would never survive on a track. But for street and drag use it’s great. Things like oil coolers, radiators, upgraded clutch, diff ,tires, brakes are all a given when boosting a non boosted car.
ZentRose, Your videos are great and filled with useful info! Just went through the process of searching for a clean S2000 in California. There are a lot of them for sale but most are beat up badly. Was debating between paying low 20's for a mint low miles stock car (for the appreciate haha) but then realized I wanted a driver and not a garage ornament. So that left me looking at 2003-05 model years in excellent condition, was also looking for 1 to 2 owner vehicles with a clean carfax that had been cared for. These cars are in the 15K-19K range. Once I decided I didn't care about stock I looked at cars set up for track i.e. hardtop, coilovers, rollbar, bbk and proper cooling. And street cars that were tastefully modified. As much as I love the track I don't have as much time to go these days. Also never thought I'd be into a convertible but the S2000 really is the closest thing you'll get to a motorcycle experience with 4 wheels when the top is down. I ended up with a very clean 2 owner 03' AP1 for just north of 15K. The first owner kept the car stock. The 2nd owner only had the car for 2 years with no track driving and barely any miles. He did however install some HKS coilovers, Volk wheels and a carb legal supercharger. The rest is stock, clutch, fuel pump, injectors etc. Loving the car so far, think I made the right decision! I may have issues down the road, knock on wood (my head) but I 'm fairly confident I won't because I had the motor thoroughly checked out. Compression on all 4 cylinders was between 220-225 psi and leak down showed between 4-6% on all cylinders. Anyway if I were to track the car I'm pretty sure the motor would blow pretty quick but on the street it should be fine! This has been said time and time again but I would recommend staying NA for the track and finding a car with mods that suit that purpose. What's your take on AP1 vs AP2? suspension differences, flywheel weight, oil consumption and reliability? Can you notice the difference between drive by wire and cable throttle? If you have time to answer I appreciate it!
That is a steal of a deal! Even with boost, my engine survived 15 events at 100k miles which is impressive. I prefer the AP1 driving experience.. rev limit, gearing, vtec engagement point, steering ratio... it is a better overall driving experience but you have to be more diligent with maintenance. Enjoy the S2000!
Glad to hear you think I did alright on the car, wasn't 100% sure. I see that you answer most of my questions in detail in earlier videos. Man prices have really gone up in the last 2 years! I know it's not a smart financial decision but have you considered buying an actual race car? I've been looking at this Mazda GT for sale built by 7's only racing at Buttonwillow. www.sevensonly.com/Cars-For-Sale.html
Hope to see you out at Laguna or Buttonwillow one day. Keep posting videos they're awesome!
I SCd my S2000 with a Kraftwerks kit back in May of this year and haven't regretted it one bit. Obviously I had to replace the clutch and eventually the radiator but the only thing I've had to replace since has been my TCT, but I'm sure that's more from age than it is from the SC. I also do oil changes every 3k miles now instead of 5k like I used to. Deciding to boost any car is something that people need to really think about before hand and take all the upgrades needed into consideration, instead of just throwing a kit at it and thinking they're not going to have any problems afterwards. I'm sure my motor will blow eventually but that's part of the price you pay for the fun you get from boost. You gotta pay to play.
Had a 2001 supercharged prelude with the jrsc kit and made 283 whp. Loved it but heat soak was awful and had issues with the belt hitting the strut tower and shredding belts. Fixed with motor mounts. Loved it to death but love na so much more. Good luck with the S.
How many pounds of boost were you you pushing and was it properly tune? Had mine for 1 years with 18psi no problem but then I don't go to the track often.
Nice man, great vid
The problem with buying used modified S2000s is that much of the time they've been overrevved. People will dump the car for cheap after doing a money shift from 3rd to 2nd and obviously not tell the buyer. Tons of people have supercharged s2000s and don't have engine problems. Stock clutch is good up to 300-315lb.ft with a heavy duty pressure plate. With proper maintenance and a reliable tune, it should last as long as the rest of the car. I'd bet $1 that the motor had seen north of 10,000rpm and was a ticking timebomb.
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Spun a bearing? Oil starvation?
As an owner of a supercharged S. If you are handy with spanners/wrenches/ratchets, don't mind inspecting it with a fine toothpick and comb after a hoon, then go for it. IF you rely on a mechanic to do your work, then don't.
Costs in labor start to mount up fast when things go wrong.
As for it being cheaper to buy one than an N/A example? Over the pond here in the UK. Most of, if not all of them gain value. Early well spec'd 100k mile examples going for over £10K. Whereas standard go for about half that.
Science of speed says "An upgraded clutch is highly recommended." in the past 3 years I've been contemplating their SC kit.
i bought mines with a newly replaced clutch low mileage. no problems 20,000 miles 10 years. as long as you dont beat the shit out of it
Couldn't agree with you more about buying done up project car.
What r ur plans with the car?
If you know how to work on your car and can build your own motor, boosting is no problem. Not sure where you got your 30k figure from, but it doesn't cost that much. I took apart my motor, upgraded the rings n bearings on the bottom end, but left everything else stock as I'm only looking for 400-450 whp. I fully built the head w a complete Ferrea valve train and can rev up to 10k rpm easily. I upgraded my clutch and will do my rear end soon. All that cost me under well under 2k. Bosting is no problem on my car and it's a daily driver. I used to be an ase master auto tech and I worked for Honda so I had all the tools and knowledge needed. I even know how to do machine work and engine blueprinting, but didn't have access to a machine shop, which was my only labor cost. Boosting is easily doable if you know what your doing and upgrades don't cost even half of what you said
His 30k figure included the price of the car. Which checks out. $15k car, $6k SC, $1k clutch/flywheel. Brakes, suspension, etc takes you to $30k easily.
Anyone surprised that you can put down as much in sportier parts should also see that you can get a dodge challenger for $30k or $100k from the factory. Same model, different parts.
What do you think about the metro Detroit area for an investment?
You ever think about running water injection to reduce chances of detonation?
I don't know why someone would install a forced induction kit without upgrading all the parts you had to install.
I notice you have a couple vetted in the background.. Honest question, Would you take your S\C S2K or a z06 for 2000 Mi street driving and 4 -5 trackways per year? I have an s2000, looking to boost it or just upgrade to a vette. I drove one today and it sure didn't feel as nimble as the s2000 so now i'm on the fence. Thanks for your reply in advance.
The C5 Z06 is currently a better value. You can still purchase new LS short blocks for a few thousand bucks. I paid that much for my used S2000 engine. Try to test a corvette with fresh suspension and you will not be disappointed. Good luck!
Another factor in all of this is I already own a very well setup S2000. Coil overs, square 255 stance at all 4's. R compounds and a new clutch. So at this point it's like spend $10k and do the blower. Or spend $30k and try to sell my S2000 for $15 ish if I can to help pay for some of the vet.
What price range are you looking at for the Corvette? Mine was around 10k purchase price and another 5k to get it track ready. That includes a set of 315 hoosier scrubs and 18x10.5 wheels. A beat up FRC vette will sell for even less but will still make a great track toy.
Was looking around $15-$23k. Then i planned on adding Brakes, Coil overs, Big rad and oil cooler.
What exactly broke in the engine ?
Are you going to rebuild and keep it supercharged? What is typical maintenance with a similar setup? Installing a supercharger on my S over the winter
Was it worth the fun?
I have my S2K stock. If I decide to track it, I'll probably upgrade the brakes and make it lighter like you've done in the past. i.e. strip the interior, soft top delete, etc.
Don't boost it, n/a 4 life! Weight reduction is the best, cheapest and smartest upgrade, when adding power you are putting more stress on every component, loosing weight is the opposite, everything will last longer.
Adding power you will only gain in the straight line, by loosing weight you gain everywhere (c)Colin Chapman aka weight reduction god
That thumbnail describes my kraftwerks experience 😂
Frikken love your channel post more s2k vids please
Thanks. I just picked up a new engine so this car will be back up before the new year.
You are the main reason i bought the f1 clutch kit & 10 pound flywheel. So far holding up good in my s2000
S2000 is more fun in NA form
and very reliable and much lower
maintenance cost in both track & street.
"A project car will never be finished"
s2000 is more fun na? i bet you dont have the cash mate...na doesnt move the drift is fucked up on s2000..the vtech is fucking all up....sit in a turbo s2000 and we talk
supercharged mine with 213k miles, lasted a week. Got another f22 motor with 120k miles then my piston rings went out. just got my hands on a f20, ill still keep my supercharger but wait at least 6 months that way i can enjoy the car before anything else happens lol KW kit
Adan Mendoza What broke when you first sc’ed it?
thats alot of miles for sc
Adan Mendoza $10500 for a spoon long block on Google. Well worth every penny.
you n e e d a custom tune your ecu..on a dyno for hours..there is no way around that..specially if your car is boosted by someone else
Yes and No. Been supercharged for over 3 years at 14.5Psi with no cooling issues, i would suggest you didnt have it tuned to check mixtures and timing which caused it to lean out, overheat and destroyed your engine. Yes you need to spend if you want to push power through it, now 18.5Psi, E85 and 500+hp, R200 diff and now a CD009 6 speed going in, the stock drive line was never designed to take 630ft/lb of torque while being launched hard but was fine on normal fuel at 14.5 Psi without drag launches. There is a point where its fine if your not abusive to the drive line with driving style or too much power, after that you need to throw cash at it to beef it up. Stock Brakes are fine into the 500+ hp range, use a quality 900 degree pad like EBC Yellow stuff and motul RBF fluid. Clutch upgrade yes once over 8 psi, stick to the OEM Honda disc with a ACT cover for that stock easy to drive feeling for up to 550hp.
I mean, who doesn't upgrade brakes, intake, clutch, fuel pump when they put a supercharger in a s2000?
people who don’t know a lot about cars
A buddy of mine had a friend back in the day who “wanted to turbo” his car and when my buddy got to his house to start on the project, he said the kid literally had the turbo and nothing else, like he actually knew nothing at all about boost and though you literally just needed “a turbo” and that’s it 🤣🤣😭😭
@@21DaHoagie12 bruh 🤣🤣. Literally burst out laughing.
I wish I could've seen the guy's face when he had to be told you need more than just the turbo.
Funny how nothing was said about tuning options....
I’ll never buy a used boosted car.
Agree, death trap
SI RICKO not a problem if you know how to work on your car and rebuild a motor, it's a great way to get a s2k for a steal of a price
Depends on what you're expecting from it. Treat it like a project and expect to spend a few thousand more to get it running well
YOU ARE AT 11 to 1 compression ratio !
Talk about the rear differential that is in the range of 3.90:1 not 4:11:1 ->++++++ which seams the only thing available.
It doesn't seem like a good idea to me to put FI on a super highly strung engine like the K series. The fact that it is as powerful as it is in stock form with no FI just shows how much they pushed to get as much NA power as possible, and I'm sure some of the design decisions they made to achieve max NA performance are not compatible with FI.
Nick G its not a k series engine though its an f22c
its not a k is an f and they were come from the factory with forged internals, the engine is designed to be pushed to the limits
What if you supercharge it but don't increase the power past 300hp? Would it still need all the cooling, transmission, differential, brake upgrades?
John Connor Why would you SC or turbo a car and hope to get 50 or less to the wheels? The stock F series engine makes around 200 to the wheels and 250 to crank. You would really spend 3k+ to want barely anymore power?
Shaun DYST well if it costed 3k+ then no. But I can find used ones for way cheaper. Also like the white guy said in the video, you don't have to mod other parts and you save weight, money, reduce heat, longer life.
Low temperature thermostat, silicone coolant hoses, larger radiator, larger oil cooler, oil catch can, and last but not least an upgraded fan shroud system are the key elements to running a thermally efficient engine.
"wasnt reliable, the engine blew"....proceeds to explain how he has ripped it all the way thru into 6th gear on constant track days.
Fuck does a roll bar and hard top have to do with the supercharger lol
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No stupid garage tuner it's smarter than Honda engineers. I always keep my Hondas N/A
No stupid Honda owner is smarter than me, I always boost my Hondas.
Bro come on, if you're putting forced induction on a car and not upgrading the cooling system and the clutch you don't know enough about cars to be doing those upgrades... It's basic knowledge. There are thousands of s2000's with force induction running with no problems as daily drivers. Anyone who doesn't get that for forced induction increases heat and you need to upgrade your cooling system, your fuel system, and your trans driveline should not be upgrading the car at all and should go back to school and read books on automotive technology. Also it doesn't cost $30,000 to do the work you're saying.
If it was an AP1 that wouldn’t have happened most likely
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All the things you mentioned are obvious. Instead of buying better brakes dudes slam a 3k supercharger kit and then complain about no stopping power, blown engines and so on. Probably in america it is better to run all the balls from the engine for a one extra bhp on the dyno than run safe but less power and run all time long.
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