HUH? 3 New Zealand Ways (We just CAN'T fathom)
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Now in my 60s and I can hear my mum in my head “Never turn up empty handed.” It’s a way of saying thank you for the invitation. It’s so ingrained I feel deeply uncomfortable turning up without a contribution. If we can’t contribute to the table then a gift for the host is non-negotiable. Koha, koha all the way.
Thank you so much for watching and for being with us Penney! We appreciate you taking the time to share! Have a lovely week! 😊
The culture of taking a plate could possibly have some connection to the Maori tradition of the koha, where you take something to gift to the hosts.
Great point! Thank you for being with us as always! 😊
@@ItsaDrama In Australia it depends, we are a casual country so sometimes someone will bring something but the guests might ask the host first ' do I need to bring anything ? ' , and usually the host says ' just bring a nice bottle of wine ' , a BBQ sometimes people bring extra food, it's not an obligation but sometimes it happens.
As a Brit, this confuses me. I don't know anyone who would go round to someone's house and expect to be waited on. If it's more of an arranged party/dinner its quite common to bring a bottle or a plate. Bit different if you are going round to your best friends for a chat. Maybe it's a generational or area thing.
@D where I grew up in Canada it was always defined as a potluck or it was expected that the host provides dinner completely
Bring a plate is usually reserved for when you are having a "get together" rather than inviting someone for a meal, at least in my experience. As you say, a bottle of wine maybe but when I invite someone for dinner, I don't expect them to bring half of it with them.
In Canada we have statutory holidays that are different in each province. There are Federal holidays and provincial holidays.
With respect to NZ, in it's formation there were provinces, so each had their own holiday to celebrate the birth of the province. When provincial governments (1875) were abolished they kept the holidays.
Regrading #1: How does it hit if you think of it as 'koha?' Thoughtful guests will bring things that you don't have to use immediately. A bag of crisps, a dip that you can just sling in the fridge for Tuesday night with just you two, a bottle of Scotch for the 'punishment drinks' cupboard. Yep, we do this, and , as a pretty regular host, I rather like that we do.
Sounds like a great idea Ian. Just as long as Bri doesn't have to take a salad we'll be fine...🤣 Thank you for being with us and for taking the time to say hi !😊
Regarding the COVID factor and emotional health: as an introvert who has, in the past, had to endure far too much uninvited physical contact, I'm probably more relaxed and emotionally secure these days simply because I haven't had to a)tolerate what feels to me like waaaay to much physical contact, and b) I don't have to be on guard a vigilant for unwanted hug attacks, so much.
The dark cloud of COVID has been an awful thing all over the world, but for me and most other introverts, it has had this silver lining.
I find it weird that people would expect to hug someone first time they meet. This isn't a British thing either, I think its just them.
@@Danjs112 Liz does give the impression of being a very exuberant, huggy person.
I have had Europeans bring an actual plate to a gathering, obviously lost in translation. But I think kiwis just love the concept of showing off their cooking skills and sharing recipes and just making a contribution.
When I lived overseas, I just couldn't get used to not taking something to other people's houses, I always thought I was being rude.
It is just such a community feel and often if you lived close to the host, you'd be there till the end of the night and help pack up, do the dishes and everyone would be sent home with leftovers.
Yeah kiwis all have one or two dishes up their sleaves that they consider special enough for "bring a plate" or any invited occasion ❤️
I love this! Thank you for sharing 😊
Regarding #3: This one's really interesting. So, I'm a 60-yer-old, Pakeha male who has lived in Christchurch all his life. So, a fairly standard Kiwi bloke. One thing that tends to be true of Kiwis is that we like a good deal of personal space. Witness our behaviour on a beach that's got a guy walking a dog off in the middle distance; we bugger off to the next beach that's properly deserted! I think that this carries over to the hugging thing; not until you're properly acquainted with and comfortable with the huggie! I also think that we tend to be a bit binary in the assessments we make of new people we meet. We kinda 'sound people out' until we can judge whether they're "alright" or not and, if they are, we'll do pretty much anything for them (including hugs). That's my thesis, anyway.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Ian! 😊
Same with fences around every property 😂
Once upon (a long time ago!!!) a time NZers didn’t really go out and our dinner options were extremely limited so we used to go ‘out’ to each others houses a lot… so we used to share the load of entertaining every week 👍🏼
I absolutely love this channel. I’m always looking out for a new vid. I’m a x pat kiwi living in Australia for 24 years. You guys always make me homesick. Thank you Liz and Bri ♥️
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I love the Kiwi Tradition, bringing some food and join the party.
Just appreciated it.
I hope no one going to change the Kiwi things in Kiwi land.
I think its just these two and either a class or generational thing. I'm from the UK and quite a few Brits wouldn't find these things confusing or vastly different.
Hmmm. Its not always bringing a plate. I don't do that when I'm off to my friend's for dinner, unless we've agreed its a shared meal. But I always bring something, it may be flowers, veges or fruit from my garden, or wine, or some such. So I havent spent hours cooking. I've just said thank you in a very simple way. Bringing a plate is usually, where I come from at least, where everyone brings a plate for a shared meal.
Thank you for sharing Annie! yes...I agree with the bringing something thing. We always take wine and flowers, maybe sweets for the kids if they have them, but the whole "bring a curry" thing is baffling...🤣 Have a great week and thank you for being with us!
With the 'Bring a Plate/Potluck', it is just a common courtesy to not want to "drain the host's coffers", not wanting to put a financial burden on the person hosting the get-together. If there is anything left over, it is not shameful for that person to take that 'plate' back home, they would be glad just to help out.
As for the personal space issue, with the Hongi, that is a greeting as you say, but the weapon hand is held while the noses merge in greeting, but the rest of the body is spaced out. If they don't know each other then personal distance is required, it is a matter of familiarity, but the distance will grow closer the more you both get to know each other . . . . . and the less sweat will be passed.
Thank you so much for sharing this information John! See, this is why this community is so amazing...we learn so many different things. Thank you! 😊
@@ItsaDrama , you are welcomed . . . maybe Brian could learn to be a sparky, that way he can fix himself up when he "blows a fuse". 🤪
In Canada where I grew up people would bring things for pot luck gatherings but LEAVE the food with the hostess for leftovers and wait for their pot or plate to be washed and returned at a later date...I was really surprised when I went to one and my plate was returned to me with the leftover food and I thought I was being insulted that they didn't think it was good enough...
As a kiwi woman I wouldn't hug someone I'm meeting for the first time unless I'd had a prior relationship of some sort (email or phone) but I have no problem sticking my hand out to shake theirs. The 'take a plate' thing really cracked me up. I think of that and pot luck as the same thing. Cheers guys, keep it up. 🙂👍
Thank you for being with us! We are grateful to have you and appreciate you taking the time to share! Thank you! 🥰
“Taking food, flowers, chocolates or something like that is also very common in Australia.
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Born in NZ and lived here and overseas. I’ve lived in the provinces and Auckland, the latter for the most part. I’m at a loss over the “bring a plate” thing. So 1960s. It’s pretty well like “pot luck”. These two things differ only in that pot luck in my experience seems to be specified more by host. “Will you bring a hot vege dish or a dessert” kind of thing. It’s either formal and the food in its entirety is supplied by host, or it’s bring a plate/pot luck - venue, crockery, cutlery supplied. I’d never think to take a random offering of any old food to a normal sit down dinner party - ever. I would take wine ( always), chocolates, bottle of preserves, potted plant- in other words a gift. I do always ask my host/hostess, “ can I bring anything?” as a matter of course. 99 times out of 100 they say as you do..” bring yourselves!”
Thank you for sharing Deb! So lovely to hear different ways! Love it 🥰 Thank you!
I say that too! 😂😂
yeah Deb, I agree, there seems to be a disconnect between the differences between a 'pot luck' and a dinner part. Am 70 year old kiwi, and my rules are "dinner party - I will just bring a bottle of wine" and 'pot luck - we check what the host wants us to bring usually just one dish." Seriously guys I think most people here do this this way.
Bring a plate is usually bbq food. Salad, sausages etc that can be easily reheated. Some people become known for a specialty dish that they make so in a group of friends, everyone would usually be known for something and over time you will learn what your contribution can be based on your cooking skills. Eg. My mother always brings a steamed pudding for desert.
“Please bring a plate”, is generally finger food and usually reserved for an impersonal gathering, i.e. church or club, and stems from the pioneering days when people may have had less family support and all pitching in together became a custom. Pot luck is different and refers to bringing a contribution to a meal - a main dish, veg or salad, or dessert. It’s not uncommon in people’s homes but host usually clarifies that it’s pot luck. Very often a kiwi guest will say to a host ‘Can I bring something’ to be polite but the host’s No should be respected.
With the take a plate thing, in the polynesian culture we take something over for the hosts as a contribution to the evening/event. If theyre hosting dinner sometimes you could take dessert or drinks (not necessarily something to go with the meal). As long as I can remember if I was going to someones house, my parents would always remind us to take something - its just something we've always done. Different to potluck.
We know we don't have to, but we do it and we always will do it. Don't forget NZ is a relatively new country and to be asked to someone's place is a huge pleasure and we feel we need to "help out" and it's been a generational thing because in the early days , here there was nothing. Think of going to a marae, we always take something, these days usually money (koha).
As a Kiwi to me it's a sign of respect.
I am from the far South and we all call it Pot Luck.
Inregards to a collection of the neighbors and friends favorite dish has made the best feed I have every had.
Thank you for watching and for saying hi, Leslie, we appreciate you very much!
In Auckland we hug when we meet each other
Just remember, if the host asks you to put your keys in a bowl. It could be time to leave at that point. 😂
Hahahah!!!
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😂 love this one! No, potluck is not just a curry-we do these especially at work. Men who don’t cook can bring bags of crisps or plates and cups, or soft drinks. It’s a way to lower the cost for the host/hostess (when done at someone’s home) everyone has their favorite go-to recipes to bring things that go well) for years I had a scampi pasta dish I would bring, then I got into baking and would make cakes. To work functions I always made cupcakes. I did theatre and we did these for Sunday table reads-I made a loaded quiche and the director always brought a couple of huge boxes Peet’s coffee (like Starbucks but better)
Thank you for sharing! You’ve made me quite hungry now! 😂😘
It's a Maori thing. It's called Koha. It was a way to help out. Have you been to a Marae and the visitors put down a white envelope that has money in it. This helps with the expenses for running the event, for the rates water, electricity and food. In the old days food was given. A cow, pig, sheep, sack of spuds, kumara, pipi, kina, paua, chopped Wood. Taking something to drink is OK. You may go to a meal and they not have gluten free, at least you've taken something you can eat. It's an opportunity to share pickles, jam or fruit off your tree.
When the Provences formed NZ towns were rather isolated and it took hours and hours to get places, so each celebrated their anniversary seperately. I think America and Aus celebrate their various State holidays too.
I'm probably a little hug-shy because if I havent met someone or only casually beforehand, I want to respect people's personal space. It depends on the situation you find yourself in; and I also dont like the pretense some people have for hugging just to show they have a great relationship (when you know they havent, lol). A good eye contact and sincere words are what makes me want to hug someone.
Tis a Maori tradition that when anyone turns up at your house, then you do your best to feed them. In many cases no matter how financial you are you feed your guests. This is now looked upon as a way of offering a koha to your host to assist in the providing the meal. I as kiwi Love this tradition.
Thank you for sharing, Helen! 😊
It's normal here to bring a plate of food. I didn't realize it's not normal in other countries 🤷♀️. I'm glad it's unique to our nation.
Goodness no! As a South African we always do a “bring & braai” or “dop n tjop”(alcohol & chop as in meat) . Basically you all bring your own meat and drinks - but ALWAYS waaay too much of each, just in case and we all share - the meat goes into a “collective pan” and everyone helps themselves. But we will also organize who brings the potato bake, desert (milk tart , malva pudding, peppermint crisp pudding etc) and salad and garlic bread.
We arrive and help last minute prep then relax and catch-up. We would never expect the host to cater for all - also these gatherings will include multiple families so they are not small affairs 😂
Well for us and I meant my wife and I coming from Puerto Rico is in us to hug when greeting specially my wife . On the last visit from November to this last February we meet our daughter partner family and hugs for everyone , lol and we did brough " a plate " for the dinner invite our daughter reminded us since she have been living there for 20 years now , she is almost Kiwi , lol..
I think there are cultural differences even in NZ. I always bring something if I am invited to a meal - I will bring wine but I will also bring chocolates, preserves, maybe a nice cheese they can eat later. If I go to a friends for afternoon tea I will bring biscuits or something to eat. It is how I was brought up. I have American friends who almost sort of laugh at me when I do it - but they have got used to it now and they live in NZ after all. In my family it comes from a mix of Irish, Italian, Māori and Pasifika cultures who all seem to have similar traditions. My family are also big huggers - but not emotionally engaged in general lol - the form rather than the function 😅
I just love your banter. I’m a Maori/ English kiwi and have to watch.
Thank you so much Rachel! We appreciate you being with us and saying hi! 😊
I think the 'bring a plate' started when times were a bit hard and people couldn't afford to fully host another family so if everyone brings something there is less pressure on the host to provide but people could still get to socialise. I think now, so many people have different food needs that it helps to take 'a plate' of whatever you eat. :)
OMG Brian it's one day a year to celebrate your region. It is better than if they didn't do one. :)
I belong to a really huggy group at the rsa, we usually give a quick hug to people we are playing pool with before and after the game. Some do a hand shake but hugs are pretty standard.
Lovely to hear from you as always Anna! 😊
Kiwi living in aus for 35 years. Aussies ask you to bring a plate also
Hi Guys. I'm a Kiwi and I hug people at first meeting IF they are introduced by someone I know e.g if my sister introduces a friend but if it's a complete stranger I will offer my hand to shake. I'm pretty sure our whole family are like that. We always take food when being hosted by others but I've never questioned why we do 😆. Probably because we share what we have with others and we all have or had big families so it wasn't always in the budget. Sorry Bri but you're on your own re regional holidays. I say thanks and enjoy myself. Keep up the good work peeps loving the Vlogs..
Lovely to hear from you Melinda! Than you so much for this great comment, I love it! Have a lovely weekend (I think Bri is turning into a grumpy old man...what say you?? 🤣)
@@ItsaDrama Love it 😀
Thank you for giving us such a pleasant time listening you! I am going move to New Zealand this July and I find you guys so helpful!
You are very welcome Tamara, thank you for joining us! 😊
Bring a plate is both a Kiwi and an Aussie tradition. My wife is English and so is our closest friend, and they both wouldn't dream of turning up somewhere without a plate. Only time it doesn't apply is if the host says not to. And it doesn't take more than a minute to coordinate who brings what.
For me, the bringing of food to somebody's house, is like the hongi. In the moment of sharing breath you are, in action, saying, "I am you, you are me, we are one". When you bring food, it is the same thing, it is to whakanoa, or release everything and put everyone on the same level...family...I am you, you are me, we are one and the same.
When put like that it sounds beautiful honey. Thank you for giving us another way of viewing it and thank you for being with us. 😊
Bring a plate is purposely communicated as you bringing a contribution. Depending on the relationship we'd bring a little something anyway even if it's just a fizzy drink. But at the least we'd ask. And from the other end it's not expected - unless it's directly communicated. If it's expected for you to bring something you'll be asked. It's about sharing the load, helping out.
I find it impossible to get people to bring nothing to a dinner party. They always bring something.
I've always found holidays in the UK a bit strange, we have a bank holiday but when I ask anyone what the holiday is for, no one can tell me. What I do like about regional holidays is that you can pop over the border and everything is open! As much as I feel like I know both of you I'd definitely give the hug a miss, I think it goes back to how rural NZ has been throughout its history, we like our personal space and anything closer than six feet is almost an invasion. You've got Bri and the dog Liz, knock yourself out.🤣
I love the hongi. I think it's an extremely special thing. I've taught my son(he's almost 3) to do it with me just because of our special it is. It's fun for him now because he doesn't know it's meaning but one day he will
Brian just go with the flow she be right take your holiday and enjoy.
Number #1 isn't just a kiwi thing, I have tons of foreign friends and this was a common trait most of our cultures had. I'm actually surprised that this isn't a thing in the UK
Maybe poms are not as sharing,? A IL bit tight lol
Bring a plate usually applies to morning/afternoon tea, suppers etc not the main meal of the day. It is only in more recent times we have adopted the Pot Luck meal, mainly to help with the cost of putting on a meal for a big gathering of family, friends etc.
Growing up just outside Christchurch, 'pot luck' was common in 1980s and earlier at church (and associated group) get togethers, be it at the church or at people's houses. Usually lunch, sometimes dinner (with BBQ) on special occasions. Sometimes called a 'shared lunch' when it was actually, you know, lunch. Living in the city proper now, it's still a thing. Whether it said 'bring a plate' exactly or not varied a bit, but the concept was generally indicated.
It's Maoei tradition to give a Koha when you are a guest. We also help with the cooking and cleansing.
It's a gathering of coming together not just to eat.
It's one public holiday Brian get over it bro lol
Thanks for the info! 😊
Hahaha, honestly, I would have hugged you had my whole body not been sweaty! 🤣My wife and I are huggers!
Love you, guys!
🤣 you are the best Poko! Lovely to meet you! 😘
The first time I encountered "Bring a plate" was on a wedding invitation for a friend's daughter's wedding at our small, rural Northland church. I too thought it meant to... _bring a plate._ My mother had to explain it to me (I was a kid).
Lots of "Bring a plate" events in rural New Zealand. But it usually leads to a preponderance of baked goods. Nothing gluten-free!
Pot luck is taking a plate or a dish to add to the meal. A dinner party - a bottle of wine or chocolates or flowers, but not all three.
Thank you for watching Pracilla and for taking the time to say hi! 😃
Pot luck and bring a plate is essentially the same thing. What you bring depends on the venue/facilities and nature of the event (and how much you can be bothered)
Bri would be upset then, when in the 70s when I worked in the Public sector, Otago anniversary was on Easter Tuesday but for others in Dunedin it was taken as Summer show day in February, so on that day had to work with bugger all customers, most shops closed then on the Government day off when all others were working.
I love listening to you guys. I really identify with Brian as he does his fake reactions to you Liz. I must say that you guys are a major catalyst to me moving back to NZ after 33 years away. I'm coming down for the month of Feb to enjoy my family and mates then returning to the US and spending about a year divesting myself of decades of life spent here.
I love your commentaries....keep it up.
Les
Thank you so very much, Les, what a lovely comment. Enjoy your trip to NZ in Feb and keep us posted! 😊
Giving someone a hug on first meeting people in Britain is definitely unusual. Shake hands, certainly, but most people, especially in the South, would run a mile if you lurched towards them, arms outspread.
Oh gosh...maybe it's just me...??? No wonder I get so many funny looks 🤣
The concept of bring a plate is about helping other people; showing respect and the concept of meritocracy .... and there are yummy salads!
It's not really bringing a plate to dinner necessarily (unless requested) but we're just polite and bring things as a gesture e.g. a bottle of wine, flowers or something. If you are doing a potluck the host would often specify what to bring.
Another great video, so much fun! Suzanne says you have exposed us, we only bring the good snacks to our favorite people, and now we have some explaining to do lol! We agree with only having local holidays, or, even school kids from the same family getting different days off? Thirdly, i feel a group hug coming on!!! P.S. great chili! Luv Us!
Regional Anniversary means when every thing is closed locally but you drive to another region and every is open. Cool!
But the trouble with the bank holidays here ( UK) is you can’t go anywhere or do anything on bank holiday because the roads are choca, queues for everything, usually a pile up somewhere, and accommodation is always far more expensive and booked out months in advance. So I’m not a big fan.
It’s tikanga to take something particularly Kai to any home you go too. You take what you can afford, doesn’t matter what it is as it’s the thought and intent behind it. You certainly don’t go to someone’s home and expect to be waited on, you become part of the host Whanau, so pick up a tee towel, wash the dishes and yes help cook the Kai if need be. You both have just displayed differences in culture.
I quite fortuitously discovered your channel recently and have been enjoying your uploads. I am a Japanese expat living in eastern Canada. About the subject of "bringing a plate", as a Japanese individual, we never go to a gathering etc. empty-handed. Here in Canada, the closest thing, as you mentioned, is "potluck", and we bring something to a party/gathering. I am surprised to discover that Pommies do not do that according to this upload. By the way, I totally enjoyed your views on Japan (I learned a new expression " like chalk and cheese" from that upload)!
Love it as usual.
Thank you so much Penny! Have a great week 😊
Oh you two! I absolutely loved this video! Can't wait to invite you for dinner🤣 and Brian, I get the public holiday thing😉 as far as handshakes and hugs. Liz, we are one in the same. So I'll happily share my hugs with you as much as possible. I dont even mind them at all. We can start a new movement in N.Z together. The Hug Club
I now live in Sydney but during my many years of adult life in New Zealand I never went to a party where people brought food. Bottles of wine perhaps. And the wine is often to show your buddies what a wonderful drop you've discovered.
It's correct that in New Zealand people don't rush around hugging but I've assumed the reserved English are very similar. The Brits aren't like the French, hugging each other, with kisses on the cheek.
Perhaps taking food to someone's party is from early settlers in isolated communities and anyone with basic foods felt obliged to bring a bag of flour for scones or home-brew beer?
Depends on the individual, I'm not a touchy feely kind of person
Some holidays are for the whole country - Waitangi Day, Labour weekend, Easter, Xmas and Queens birthday weekend.
King's birthday weekend now.
We just had Labour day here in Victoria, but meanwhile, South Australia had Adelaide Cup, ACT had Canberra Day and Tasmania had Eight hours day. and the other 4 states didn't have it off.
But the thing is you could have still gone, rushing down on Friday night and rushing back on Sunday you can go down on Friday and have a leisurely trip back on Monday when there is no holiday traffic in the rest of the country. And because it is Taranaki there is little or no traffic when you get back.
Try getting back to Auckland on the last day of a long weekend, good luck on the southern motorway.
At formal dinner parties guests aren't expected to bring anything, except maybe their own booze if they have preferences he host doesn't have. But informal dinner parties are different and the invitation will say "Please bring a plate". Especially if its a BBQ or picnic at the beach.
There are always stories to tell about "bringing a plate". Many I have seen myself, and often told to me by others of their own experience. Bringing empty plates was quite common, and for others feeling bad, they brought along cutleries, cups as well 🤣
Years ago we invited our new English neighbours to our pot luck dinner where we also invited other friends. They brought dessert - a packet of Tim Tams. To this day, whenever we get together, that hillarious time would be brought up and we always have a laugh about it. I love to try other's cooking and I find pot luck is a lot of fun. More often than not, it tend to be the same hosting dinners so it is a way to contribute, help out as well.
Provincial/Regional Anniversaries originated by your ancestors, the English Settlers. The anniversary was basically the founding days or first colonist arriving in that area.The anniversary was based on local customs and practices. Most regions celebrate their anniversary now with a theme of connecting the Country & Town and you often find Agriculture & Pastoral (A&P) shows during this time.
Thank you Mattie! So lovely to hear from you and thank you for this great comment! 😊
I'm a socially inept, introverted hermit and I have no bloody idea when to hug someone or what to take to a dinner😄. I used to avoid hugs like the plaque but when I lost my partner to cancer a few years ago everyone kept giving me hugs now I'm completely confused as to when to hug or not. The lockdown was bliss for me as I no longer had to worry about the social protocols . If I get invited to dinner I either take wine for the cook or whiskey or something worth about the same as the meal because I don't have time to cook anything flash and some of my mates are fussy buggars. Anyhow I now try to avoid going out, saves me a lot of Hassells.
So in south africa we do something similar (normally) when we have people around for a braai or dinner.
But differently with us is that its a much less formal thing.
Maybe one person will bring a salad and someone will bring some chips and dip or something small but as Brian was saying normally it would stick to the "theme"
I think we Canucks may have the Kiwis beat on their love for eggs, as the Canadian Egg Marketing Board reported that, in 2021, the average Canadian consumed 243 eggs per year. So if the average Kiwi eats 237 per year, it appears we just edge you out by a bit, lol. 😉
The trend towards self-serve gas stations, as well as many other services, is a trend that, unfortunately, has occurred across the Western World. Here in Canada, there's a few full service gas stations around, but not many. Maybe 1 out of every 20 gas stations.
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It also happens here in Brisbane. Each region has a public holiday on different days during the ekka holidays.
bring a plate also called pot luck LMAO the "theme" is simple get the gang round for a good time and a great night with out having to cater for everyone you know :) just like having a BBQ and you bring meat and beer they do the salad and cleaning up :)
Hilarious video guys!!
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I think this started in the early days of NZ when people didn’t have a lot and contributed to help out.
Thank you for sharing, Elizabeth 😊
A gift for the host and 'bring a plate' are different things!
You bring a gift to the host (for now, or later) when you visit to eat. It's usually a pack of biscuits or a bottle of wine. It's in appreciation of the host's work. 'Bring a plate' is more when you have family or informal events like Christmas. Everyone brings a dish to help out feed everyone. A salad, a dessert (usually homemade), or if it is a barbecue, some meat or beer to share around.
'Potluck' is when you bring hot food to eat together. Everyone brings hot food (usually homemade) and everyone shares.
'Provincial Holidays' mark the founding of the Province back in the days of Provincial government in the 19th Century. Think of it as the Province's Anniversary day (that's what they are called after all!).
Do not hug! Some people do this, and it is an invasion of privacy. Some New Zealanders are 'huggy' and I have to say 'no, please do not do that'. Do not shake hands unless it's at the end of a business meeting. Just exchange greetings. Smile, maybe give a wave: "Hey, how are you?". That's enough.
Love your videos. I will be in New Zealand from America, May 15-30. This is a vacation and exploratory trip. I plan to move to NZ in 2024. I am in education and counseling. Id love to meet while there!
Thank you for your kind words. Have a wonderful time in NZ Greg! 😊
When my sons go stay at there mate, i give them bread mik etc for koha, and there mates do the same when they stay here...its a māori thing for us.. 😂im the same about salads, bring some proper food , luckily māori dont eat salad much if at all 😂..māori embrace alot
I love your giggles
😘 Thank you Carolyn!
Maori call it Manaakitanga , reciprocated sharing. Bringing a plate is normal Maori custom. You never go anywhere without sharing something with other host. A koha- donation in other words...I believe Maori culture has become the norm in NZ. 😊
hi guys there are two different types of invites here in NZ one is your invited to someones home for tea where you dont need to bring a plate etc but you might bring a drink (alcohol ) to have with the meal that the host is providing ,and then there is what is called a pot luck tea which everyone or couple brings a plate to share in . PS: pot luck is just a saying , it doesnt refer to a pot of food etc , it just means it will be mystery as to what type of food people will bring to the table to eat
The hongi is about sharing the HA. The breath. The handshake while you hongi I'd a way of communicating how many deaths have happened in the whanau since last visit. If someone has gone, they will shake your hand, and squeeze it briefly per person without breaking the gold. It is a spiritual greeting, reserved for hui and relatives and mates
Tēnā koe. We never knew that. That is such a beautiful tradition...thank you so very much for sharing. Liz and Brian
You comments about bringing a plate/gift is not restricted to NZ. Most cultures do it to some extent, my Persian friends wouldn't dream of going to someone's place without bringing something. Yes the Anniversary holidays when NZ had Provinces. Now we have Regions which is sort of the same without being a Federal parliamentary system like Canada or Aust.
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Liz please don’t be offended by the plate thing.
All Māori people going to a bbq or a get together will bring a plate if not more.
It’s just the way we are.
This is just what kiwis do!
Thank you! And I just wanted to say thank you so much for all your lovely comments you have left on many of our videos! We appreciate you very much! Have a happy Christmas! Liz and Brian 🥰
The only time people who don't know each other would hug each other (that I know of as someone who grew up in NZ but hasn't lived there for some time) is when it's some kind of family gathering or suchlike (weddings, funerals, can't think of any other). If you were introduced as a dear friend of a family member, to another member of the family, then that family member might hug you in kind of an honorary-family member sort of way.
Now I live in Canada and hugging strangers is perhaps relegated to just various ethnic communities. Like Polish, Italian, can't think of any other off the top of my head. Trying to hug someone you just met, under the circumstances you described, would have the other person pulling back in alarm in most cases.
In NZ the term 'Dinner Party' is a very formal concept. NZers tend to have far less formal get togethers for a group of people, during the Summer months, it's generally a Barbecue. The Tradition of Bring a Plate came about from the 1st World War, from 1915 onwards. Because we had rationing during both wars & sent food to Britain & we had a small Population & widespread small Communities, people gathered together to make food go further, everyone made something to take & share. It's something that became traditional & with the cost of living & has kept going.
Statutory Holidays are days that all the Country has, like your Bank holidays. There is only 1 day a year that is Provincial, that is the Anniversary of the Day a specific Province/Region became a Province or Region, generally. There are some provinces & Regions that choose to take their Anniversary Day Holiday with a big City in their Region, for example; Northland to Rotorua have their Anniversary Day Holiday with Auckland, at the end of January. I'm surprised that after 13 yrs in NZ, you don't understand what Anniversary Days are all about & to be honest Brian, it is only 1 Public Holiday that is Region Specific, to hear you, people would think it was a lot of Public Holidays. Australia also celebrates a holiday that marks the formation of each State, only for that State, but before the Formation of States, they had the same Provincial System as us. Perhaps you should invest the same amount of time into NZ Culture as you do in Maori Culture & before anyone starts, I'm 1/2 Maori, 1/2 Pakeha & 100% NZer/Kiwi.
Liz, many Kiwis, regardless of Ethnicity, do not liked being hugged by Strangers. Most Kiwis are happy to shake hands on introduction, but NZ has become a very Cosmopolitan Society & with that there exists a lot of Cultural differences. We have a long list of peoples who have emigrated to NZ, Asian, Sri Lankan, Indians (All Castes & Ethnic Groups), Pakistani, Afghanistan, Dutch, French, British, Irish, Belgian, Europeans, Scandinavian, Canadian, American, Sth American, Sth African, African Countries, Philippine to name a few, all have different Cultures & Taboos & that's not even touching on Religious difference. That's part of it, another consideration I suppose is Covid, that doesn't stop me personally from hugging friends & family, but if I just met you I wouldn't want to hug you either. Now my husband is a Pom or a Pomwi as he likes to call himself. I met him when I was living in the UK, the Company I worked for had an Office there & I was there for 5 yrs. When I met his Parents for the first time, I shook hands with his Father, who took a massive step back when I held out my hand & I nodded to his Mother (it's not usual for Women to shake hands in NZ except for business dealings). In 6 weeks we were exchanging Hugs & Kisses, Dave & I were married about 18 months after we met & when my Contract was up, I came home with with him in toe. On meeting people outside of work in the UK, I didn't experience hugging at the first meeting, that came after friendships grew. Very few British Men offered their hand to me for a handshake. I was amazed until I got used to it, that you rang & made an appointment to visit people at home, even family members, I'm sure you've experienced here in NZ, if we happen to be in the vicinity, we just drop in for a cuppa & a chat. There are a lot of differences between the UK & NZ, I had to adjust my behaviour to suit the UK & it took awhile to accept their way of doing things. I was based in London, Dave is from the Midlands & I travelled all over the UK for work, we came back to NZ Sept 2000, Dave has had to accept doing things the Kiwi Way, it took a year to get him used to & comfortable taking his shoes off before going in to someone's home but he's still horrified if I go to the Dairy with bare feet. It's all subjective, objective & relevant. I'm sure you are both very nice people, would I wish to ever get to the hugging stage with Liz, I don't know, I'm not sure if I'd like Brian either, hard to tell when the only times I heard him edge a word in, he was either whinging or being a smart arse, hard to say. But I will say 2 of the things you're complaining about would be very easy to find out about, Bring a Plate & the 1 Public Holiday that's regional. I accept the Hugging thing is harder to define, you have a very extroverted, Bubbly personality Liz & you're definitely loud & proud & there's nothing wrong with that, but you'll just have to learn to be a little less huggy & touchy feely with people when you first meet them, not everyone likes or feels comfortable with it on first meeting. If these are the only gripes you have living in NZ you are extremely fortunate, you should check out some of the Kiwis living in the UK group chats say about life in the UK.
Thank you for this fabulous in-depth comment Vicky! What a post! We appreciate you taking the time to watch and say hi, thank you! 😊
@@ItsaDrama You are very welcome, as I said it's really all subjective, slightly objective & really relevant. I'm really happy for you, that you love NZ enough to want to stay for 13+ years. I didn't mean my comments to be offensive in anyway, but I'm a Kiwi & we are generally forthright with people, but hopefully not to the point of Rudeness. I've travelled most of the World for work & spent long periods in many Countries. There is always a certain amount of Culture Shock, it just depends whether the Shock matters greatly or the other things make it insignificant. Luckily, all my postings were only for 5 years, so I didn't have to make a choice & I always came home. I have a lot of Respect for you both, to just up & move to NZ, I'm not sure I could or would even consider it.
You're right Brian.
Over here in Australia people live and work across the borders of NSW and QLD,
where it matters is with Daylight Savings.
i think its a family thing where you bring something to add to the celebration, it's common in Samoan culture, but you guys do have a point, as a host you want to treat your guests (key word host/hosting)
Unless the invitation specifically says 'bring a plate', I would always just bring a bottle of wine or something that's more a gift for the hosts, otherwise I feel like it's weird (and I'm born and bred in Dunedin)! And I would always invite you two for dinner (and not expect you to bring anything, lol!)! 🤗
Thank you Trudi! You are wonderful 🥰
The original Kiwi invitation used to say, "ladies a plate, gents a crate." If you go back to the colonial days social gatherings would have been at a public hall, it's the same with funerals.
All Māori people accept the hongi as a friendship greeting.
We don’t believe in formalities.
Having grownup in Christchurch for 25 years. Arriving in the Auckland region. I missed our November regional day off.
Then, low and behold, there was a day off in January, a week before Waitangi weekend and immediately after the Christmas holidays.
I agree with Brian, a regional recognition day would be better if they were all on the same day.
In fact, we could have a round of regional ‘top town’ competitions and bring our regions together with fun.
Everyone bringing a plate of course.
Hello ...If I may add a little food for thought..and I'll try to make sense I promise. Bringing a plate is our show of love, and for generations in New Zealand as our forefathers settled ,times I'm sure were rather isolated and it was also very tough for settlers living new culture but not fully understanding it ,and family etc were half a world away .so you just marched on and without those close ties ,many families may have swept things under the rug ...seen not heard was the moto I think we all grew up with and unfortunately, in my family the connection of giving and receiving a hug became very awkward or "weird" .my family, although I know deep down they love one another it wasn't something we ever showed physically. Verbal "I love you" was generally the only form of love we received...sooo get used to those plates,keep expressing love and our English friend Thomas (rip) would always send out a menu as an invite to stop us over supplying his "grand" feasts 🤣❤️👋🐶🐶🤠🇳🇿
What a beautiful comment Jared, thank you so very much! And love the idea of the menu too! 😊
Hi Liz / Brian,
Regional holidays date back to the time when NZ had local regional Government's, they were set up because communication was very slow/difficult/or nearly impossible between the regions. This system was officially done away with in 1875 when with the advent of telegram and the expansion of railways communication became so much easier and reliable. The regional anniversary holiday is a left-over from those early settler days. The individual holiday just stuck whereas the local government system was ceased completely. Re pot luck dinners is just that, bring whatever you want, that way all the guests are going to get a big surprise. Most folk just love it! Hope this explains all.
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I've never heard of regional days off. If our district had some kind of district celebration, it was done after work hours. Like Guy Fawkes.
Taranaki Anniversary Day commemorates the first settlement, at New Plymouth, in Taranaki Region in 1841. Originally, the area was called New Plymouth Province but was renamed Taranaki Province in 1859.
Nice to hear reference to the obby oss 🐴
Scotland and Northern Ireland have some different public holidays from England. Wales is considering having a public holiday on 1st March, St David's Day.
I am off to London next week to see my granddaughters for the first time. Yah. If to Portugal for 9 days with the family in their beach apartment. Then fly to Munich to see a friend for a week then back to London for another week before coming back for the winter.
In Maori/Pacific culture you don't turn up to dinner (let alone someone's home) empty handed - food was used as it brings people together. The old pacific traditional culture revolves around 2 facts: (1) hosting is a 'relationship' and relationship is a give & take. Turning up empty handed is a 'take'. (2) In the old tradition, having food where both parties prepared is about trust. Eg: if you're a host and you provided food where the attendees unfortunately get sick from, it raises suspicion and back in those days, superstition is big. The tradition would have evolved overtime into what it is today.
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