Does soldier boy act as himself, not hiding anything? No. Throughout the show we see that he is just a facade after facade of false bravado and machoism. All things he claims about himself are a lie. That is the point of the video. The boys tricks into believing the subtle propaganda about his character. He is another depth of Freudian desires like the other top superheroes. What I seek to answer is why despite all his flaws and knowing he is a complete fraud, can we love that character so much.
Two things you missed in the video: 1. After the torture, he's matured a lot. Soldier boy realizes he's a fuck up and a dissapointment, when he says "I know" to Homelander. Through this acknowledgment, it's clear that he isn't oblivious to the fact that he isn't America's hero the way the media portrays him to be. He still likely wants to prove to his father, and himself, that he is a "Real Man", so he tries to do better and live upto that. This is the result of his change of attitude in S3 where he feels remorse after accidentally killing civilians (contrasting the way he killed innocents accidentally in a black neighborhood, and didn't care), and stays honorable through keeping the deal with butcher, letting go of his deepest desire to have a family. 2. And butcher's stupid betrayal at the finale, while sb was trying to keep his word, made us hate butcher and root for Soldier Boy who's the only one acting logically. Butcher could have just ran away with the unconscious ryan and let sb and maeve deal with homelander
I like soldier boy because he's simple. You know what he's about, and he's not trying to hide anything. He's racist and sexist, but he's not a liar or a backstabber, and he's fairly reasonable.
@@nolanbrett204 The legend said he never stormed normandy and that he was there a few days later for "the photo op", considering what the showrunners are going for with the character it's not shocking that he isnt an actual hero (consider what the show is about)
I got to say L take on Captain America, he's not a fascist symbol as you claim in the video, Patriotism doesn't equate to Fascist. We can look at Civil War as used in the B roll as an example, he was against the sokovia accords registering superheroes into the government and which is a pro-small government approach akin to a private militia. Captain America stories set in modern day often expore how Americas very morals and government can allow for dangerous organizations like hydra infultrate and grow as seen in Winter Soldier. Then there's Iron-Man. He feels guilt about creating ultron and his arms dealing past and so agrees with the accords for a sense of redemption. Do I think Tony is a fascist for supporting a larger government? No, because he refused to allow the government to use his technology, unlike some zucker we know of. If Cap isn't a fascist but a patriot and Tony isn't a fascist what is he? Well, he's an alcoholic.
@@S0n0fCh4d ok so I never speak about patriotism because patriotism and fascism are too completely separate qualities. In fact there can be fascism without patriotism So what did I say in the video "Captain America is the Ubermensch". Inadvertently he becomes the super soldier, the superior being. This is a common archetype across all fascist regimes. The nazis had the idea of the super soldier, the Italians had it (though for them it was a cyborg). What qualities Steve Rogers for now possesses is irrelevant. He is the super soldier, a fascist symbol. America created him with less than good intentions in mind. The Nazis had a super soldier too, the red skull. Here the movie kinda drops the ball because it compares them and says, no it's good if we have a super soldier, because we are the good guys... Which no. Everyone is always the good guys and the enemy is evil. Captain America as a super soldier idea is inherently a fascist ideal. And without Steve Rogers behind the mask, we see the break down of this role in the subsequent TV show So now let's talk about Steve Rogers (specifically the MCU representation because I am not going to read comics). Indeed throughout his stories we can see the dangers of corruption of government. But the sokovia accords is not about being pro-small governments. It's about responsibility. Who do the avengers answer to? In a real world, you cannot be above the law and government. Unlike in Watchmen, the government chooses not to ban vigilantes as it deems them useful. But they cannot allow them to enter foreign territories and do anything they want because of "heroism". So an agreement is met. Superheroes are above local authority, but not above human law and processes and must therefore answer to the un, like any nation, like any person. Denying human accountability is arrogant beyond recognition. And if we assume captain America stands for the American people and ideals, then him viewing his wishes and choices as above the wishes and choices of the UN (not just any organisation, the United Nations), implies that captain America puts US above the world. And throughout his movies we see that happen a lot. This is inflated patriotism that now transitions into fascist views
@FaustifyReal I would have to disagree still, based on the ubermensch argument that would make any hero who has beliefs to fight for their country or planet by your logic all fascists which I believe is a flawed perspective. There is no such thing as international law but rather international agreements. But is there truly nothing above law and order? I can think of multiple things above law such as God's, bureaucrats such as the law makers, and appointed judges. Law is only as good as it is written and as bad as it is interpreted. I disagree with the UN on principle. They don't represent everyday people but rather an oligarchy of control, and that's what cap said no too. I do think it's a shame you won't read the comics but I do find it odd when the question of who keeps the Avengers in check, often in the comics it's other teams and organizations like X-men or shield or even inter-team relationships that keep them in check. Going into DC, this very question is asked in the Justice League cartoons as the government is concerned with the watchtower orbiting the earth. They had a very great answer to that question, public trust. The public doesn't like them they disband because it's the right thing to do. Contrast that to government, they often don't back down power because of public outrage but rather control the public to become favorable. Thus, governments grow easily and shrink reluctantly. So may I ask, who keeps the UN in check? Patriotism, it's a word may people misconceptionalised a necessity to Fascism, a precursor. Patriotism is just the support of what x country stands for. Fascism is the bastarization of patriotism, a glorified system of governance that merges state and corporate to further extend the arm of government. I would agree that soldier boy is a byproduct of a fascist system as vaught and government work closely together, in this context I would agree with your arguments of Ubermensch, as the seven are a indirect extention of government. I would say the same with Invincible's Universe with the Guardians of the Globe having read the comic and also not wanting to spoil it for you. There's a good storyline between Cecil and Mark. I think it will be in season 3. Back to cap, I call him a patriot, and you call him a fascist. This is what makes America different from other countries, the constitution. Some argue it's an outdated old paper, others the greatest document rivaled by the Bible. The beauty of it? We can question it and not be prosecuted for speaking out against it. No other country has that. It allows communication and disagreements such as this and protects the debaters even if they are wrong. That's what Cap is standing for when he doesn't sign, and if he did, I would agree with you, but in the end, that's not what the fundamentals America is and therefore Cap is not a fascist.
@@S0n0fCh4d yeah fundamentally a lot of superheroes are the Ubermensch. Of course that person was described by Nietzsche without any fascist connotations, but has nowadays been usurped by such ideologies (largely thanks to Nietzsche's relatives). Anyways - yes all superheroes represent the Ubermensch. Captain America specifically presents the fascist dream of the perfect super soldier that can conquer through sheer might anything. This is irregardless of who is behind the mask - steve Rogers, Bucky, etc. superheroes, removed from the narrative and suspension of disbelief are a dangerous symbol to have in reality, because no one's views and morals are perfect. This is what zemo comments. And desire for such creatures (super humans) is inherently a supremacist ideology.
@FaustifyReal I would recommend looking up the "I dont like bullies" and "Why Me" scenes from Captain America, the first Avenger. Steve is chosen because of his persistent will to stop bullies. He doesn't want to kill anyone. He makes a promise to Dr. Erskine not to become a perfect soldier but a good man. A good man is the closest we can get to these superheroes, I don't believe good men are dangerous. And yes, I would agree to remove narrative, and the suspension of disbelief is dangerous, and I call them politicians. Two-face is a very real villain. Most people see one side or the other, Politicians are the real-world ubermensches they hold the power of the pen they can write into laws and agreements to suppress and kill for no reason other than a perceived threat to power. I would argue that Amanda Waller is a closer fit to fascist than any compassionate superhero or aspiring good men such as Captain America. And lol, you dehumanized them to creatures? Good men are creatures? You would fit right on in with an X-Men Anti-Mutant politician with that rhetoric. But in all seriousness, it's a good conversation even though we disagree.
Soldier boy, while the entirety of his persona has been fabricated like all the others, does not have the mental fragility of homelander. That's why I like him more. He is definitely a strong supe, and can easily walk in and control all the other supes along with his superior son with just his presence and actions. Not the case with the other supes
I haven’t wanted the video, I just came to answer the title’s question. People love Soldier Boy because he’s played by Jensen Ackled who, in addition to being fine as all get out, is the most charismatic actor in Hollywood right now.
Soldier Boy is my favorite "Supe" in the show, because he is a parody of my favorite Marvel Hero, Captain America. I love that Soldier Boy is a mockery of what Cap would have actually been like, and that he was given the Winter Soldier treatment, being messed with my a foreign power.
He was friends with Bill Cosby in the 70's&80's clearly it's M.M."s version of the story that doesn't make sense. Not too mention the whole thing with Black Noire being soo delusional to think that he was going to be in Beverly Hills Cop and somehow soldier boy stopped the production from choosing him and taking Charlie's brother Eddie. Not too mention that chick from the CIA clearly used to bang soldier boy plenty back in the day and storm front to. So definitely not racist but other people in the show are lying and also crazy AF
Because he's a good bad guy. He doesn't follow modern-day social constructs, and has came to terms with what Homelander is still struggling with. He is a soldier on a mission. He is stronger and is literally a walking nuke. Well, I wrote this comment before the video played. I guess it was a good summary.
20:18 Exactly!! I've said these exact same facts, but people still don't get it. He is a great character, but he isn't a well written character due to the things they tell us about him but never show us.
Yeah he is racist and sexist but he can be reasoned with and can adjust to society at large and doesn't want to kill random civilians just because its fun
You have to think. The first version of compound V made Soldier Boy. The first version. Just to get someone just as strong they needed his dna then genetic modification to make someone stronger.
So when you watch “Superman vs the elite” or read the comic it’s based on do you side with the elite? Because entire captain America’s section makes me think you would unironically cheer during the “ It's funny, isn't it? A life of truth, justice and the American, military, capitalist way. In the end, you die on the moon, wondering if your bowels will let go.” Scene.
I have never watched it, so I don't know the context. A story has a moment of suspension of disbelief or certain backstory that can influence a point. With Captain, we see that their actions have severe consequences for others. It is not necessary that they be accountable to the UN (which is the highest international authority everyone SHOULD be accountable to), but at least to someone
He's not really a villain though. He's a severely flawed man who was allowed to get his way because he was a supe. And throughout the season, you can see him coming to the realization that his entire existence was a lie. Everything he's done, everything he was...didn't matter. In the end, they just replaced him and forgot about him. If anything, Butcher turned out to be more a villain in the end. Soldier Boy might have been an asshole, but he stayed true to his word. And he might have killed MM's grandfather, but he didn't do it on purpose. He did it the same way all other supes kill innocents: by not being mindful of their surrounding. This is basically the whole Negan debate again, because Negan wasn't the villain. The circumstances are different, but neither of these two did villainous things, compared to what others around them did. The "heroes" in both these cases ended up doing much worse than the so called villain.
@@ToadimusPrime yeah he is definitely not a villain. It's a bit of clickbaity title on my end. But he is an antagonist (and he is a bit of a less than good characters). I think the show runners had the intention of him being one of the bad guys and create this western-style standoff between three different parties (butcher, homelander, soldier boy).
@FaustifyReal He's no way in hell a good guy, and they did well in making him an antagonist. But when you compare him and Homelander, it's really easy to see which one of them is actually a villain.
The boys is incredibly critical of America - its culture, values, history, etc And the video was never anti soldier boy. I love him as a character as stated multiple times. I just point out his flaws, the subtle characteristics , and what he stands for and explain how despite his flaws he remains he so liked
I disagree we like Soldier Boy because of Jensen Ackles performance more than the writing. The character is well written but so are a lot of other characters.
Actually some instances that shows Soldier Boy is racist can be listed off in several instances. 1) When M.M confronts him during Herogasm and makes it clear that Soldier Boy ruined his family and Soldier Boy replied with “Which one?”, which going back to the newspapers that M.M had used to keep track of Soldier Boy suggests that he’s never cared to remember because the casualties were definitely always people of color. 2) The fact that he says in Herogasm that he founded alongside/hooked up with Liberty aka Stormfront 3) Also the fact that he looked around the room when stepping out of that pod and saw 2 white dudes with 3 people of color, instantly went for attacking the French guy without asking a single question when Frenchie simply said in ENGLISH that Soldier Boy was okay. 4) In the animated sequence of how Black Noir remembers his trauma with Soldier Boy, he blatantly sabotaged Black Noir’s chance of being cast in his dream role, beats him senseless, and used the words “Move on up” with a sterotypical head motion. “Move on up” is a reference to the comedy show “The Jeffersons”, which is literally about a black couple that became wealthy and how they struggle to adjust to their lifestyle. So yeah, he’s absolutely racist and the other characters have every right to say that he is indeed a racist.
2) I don't think him hooking up with sotrmfront makes him racist by association. He might have not known (as this was a very well kept secret) and, tbf, he strikes me as the type of person who would **mate** everything that walks. He remembers her just for he ass. And with that one line we can interpret immediately - he is misogynistic. All the other flaws that he possess - weak character, false stoicism, daddy issues, misogynism, entitlement, poor understanding of the world around him, etc - are shown much better, even without having an explicit line/scene about them, unlike his racist views. 3) Frenchie is a person of colour??? He is born in southern France, canonically. He looks just like any other french person I have ever met (or any European that is not Scandinavian for that matter)? There is nothing to suggest he is a person of colour ever in the series? I think he goes towards Frenchie... because he had his gun out at that moment. 4) that could be. I am not familiar with the "stereotypical head motion" you describe. But the scene isn't about the colour of Noir's skin. It's about the fact that noone else can be anything but his underling. Crimson countess herself began pursuing her musical career after Ben was dead. I think that scene is about soldier boy's overinflated ego of himself, where he would drag anyone else down just so he can alone be at the limelight. Noir challenged this by applying for a role on a big TV show. This risked there being another good solo actor apart from him. The twins do play in a movie, but that one is a Payback movie, so probably everyone else stared In it too (we know the countess starred in it because she is mentioned by the soviet soldier). It's not about him being racist towards noir (which he could be). It's about him not wanting anyone else to steal the spotlight 1) about 1, I need to look at the episodes again to find the scene and pause to read the articles.
But without a doubt - Soldier Boy IS supposed to be racist. I am not arguing against it. The writes make this explicit... But they don't show it properly. Granted, there isn't much opportunity to show it, sure. But then the point still remains. It's nothing shown to us, but told, unlike everything else we get to see about his character
@@Chair991 That's true but Bill Cosby has always been a "safe black". He grew to popularity because he really doubled down on his role as this almost neutered non-threating black man. And, I mean, makes sense why he worked for such a character - I don't think he would have been successful otherwise in that society. He was the safe token character and probably was the same idea in Soldier Boy's mind.
@@FaustifyReal Fair enough, I’m a person of color and he’s definitely one of my favorite characters from the show lol. With the Frenchie thing, I kinda think of Frenchie as a poc because nationality wise his character is French, but his actor is an Israeli Arab and I honestly assumed he was likely a French Arab. In my personal experience like him hooking up with Stormfront in my mind was a moment to joke of “Like father, like son” but at the same time like it’s still a red flag in my book if he hooked up with Liberty when she was literally known for targeting people of color in the forties and fifties. Also with his upbringing like it was extremely common for there to be a prejudiced point of view emphasized among the wealthy class at that time but I wouldn’t doubt it if he probably dropped any aggressive behaviors. So from my own personal standpoint, I don’t think he’s like an aggressive racist but some of the other things he’s said and done give me that impression and my comment is just my personal view from when I watched the show over. Btw I’m sorry that this reply is like days late lol but, it’s good to kinda like discuss it. Cause I think your take in that was interesting and had a good point that they can’t really say over and over that he’s a racist if they didn’t drop more about how he is one. Like with Stormfront, Homelander, Ashley, and the Vought films director those characters are racist all across the board in more performative and malicious ways. But with Soldier Boy to me it was more like “Okay…you’re more lowkey about it, got it.”
I honestly enjoyed the majority of the video up until you said that the reason why soldier boy is still like despite the fact that he is a horrendous character according to you, That the only reason people must like him is because of general illiteracy? Honestly I feel like your Genuinely saying in the nicest Way possible is that the people that like him are stupid. Dude , I don't know about you , but it's just a character from a show. Personally. I don't care for the boy's comic but I thought the show Was phenomenal. As far as the character as soldier boy goes, I enjoy and like the character because he is such a crude parody of a bygone era. And he's played very well by Janssen Ackles.
I said some people. I think there is definitely such a possibility (and read some fo the comments to see proof). But no - I think most of it is NOT due to media illiteracy. I LIKE HIM... as I said multiple times through the video. 2 sentences away from the point you commented about I literally explain the same thing
The last season was decent enough (with some great moments) but then people realised the show was taking the piss out of them, not lifting them up so they down voted it 😂
I think that's a really bad take people have. It's the equivalent of how people say that fans hate star wars the new trilogy just because they are racist/trolls/etc, when the new trilogy had terrible writing and the only good parts were straight up 1:1 copy of star wars a new hope. I don't think the new season in any point satirises any of the views I hold. I am not even American to relate to many of the problems it describes. That aside, I think the show has genuinely worse writing and began relaying a lot more on shock value rather than good story telling. I think the political messages, which before were well written and somewhat nuanced (as seen in this video), have become obviously spelled out for people to understand and really surface level. I don't want to write an entire essay here. One day, when the next season comes out, I might make a video on all the show together as I find it's downfall really interesting. Until then, yeah - season 4 was worse than season 3 objectively by a great margin. It is not the worst show ever. It is still decent, but it had a drop in quality, which is what people dislike. And through reviews and commentary, we can provide feedback to creators, so they hopefully continue to produce their best work. Boiling negative criticism to just the meme of "they are making fun of you and now you get it" is... A really shallow thought process that gets you nowhere
Yeah one sided hackery that pokes fun at the cartoon character hysterical image weak people gave in their heads about their political opponents. Man child Seth Rogen concocts in his zealot brain. Heh heh heh
@@FaustifyReal I don't disagree, for the most part. But my suggestion at the very least contributed to the down votes. It became a lot more obvious in its lampooning this series (for good or ill I've not decided) and as I say, some parts were good, others OK. It felt a little 'filler' in places but not nearly ad bad as some of the reviews were making out. There's a lot of 'evidence' (true, on twitter... 😏) that people realised they weren't being held up as the heroes, but your points are equally valid 👍 I also don't live in America, for what it's worth. I enjoyed the season, mostly, but yeah I think you make valid points as well.
@@StuartHeading it's true that it had decent moments. It is still an ok show. But people are about acceleration. If a show is always of this quality it would get 6 or 7. But if a show that previously consistently had above 8 suddenly drops to this, it will get heavily criticized, because of the drastic change
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Does soldier boy act as himself, not hiding anything? No. Throughout the show we see that he is just a facade after facade of false bravado and machoism. All things he claims about himself are a lie.
That is the point of the video. The boys tricks into believing the subtle propaganda about his character. He is another depth of Freudian desires like the other top superheroes.
What I seek to answer is why despite all his flaws and knowing he is a complete fraud, can we love that character so much.
We really can still love him (not get inspired by him tho)
Two things you missed in the video:
1. After the torture, he's matured a lot. Soldier boy realizes he's a fuck up and a dissapointment, when he says "I know" to Homelander. Through this acknowledgment, it's clear that he isn't oblivious to the fact that he isn't America's hero the way the media portrays him to be. He still likely wants to prove to his father, and himself, that he is a "Real Man", so he tries to do better and live upto that. This is the result of his change of attitude in S3 where he feels remorse after accidentally killing civilians (contrasting the way he killed innocents accidentally in a black neighborhood, and didn't care), and stays honorable through keeping the deal with butcher, letting go of his deepest desire to have a family.
2. And butcher's stupid betrayal at the finale, while sb was trying to keep his word, made us hate butcher and root for Soldier Boy who's the only one acting logically. Butcher could have just ran away with the unconscious ryan and let sb and maeve deal with homelander
I like soldier boy because he's simple. You know what he's about, and he's not trying to hide anything. He's racist and sexist, but he's not a liar or a backstabber, and he's fairly reasonable.
Bro didn't watch the show lmao
Literally lied about being in D Day
@@raxevonapbwd8769We do not know if he did, there is evidence to suggest he was actually there
In the show he never showed any racist or sexist remarks or traits
@@nolanbrett204 The legend said he never stormed normandy and that he was there a few days later for "the photo op", considering what the showrunners are going for with the character it's not shocking that he isnt an actual hero (consider what the show is about)
Jensen Ackles carries the character hard ngl
Captain America is not a bad character...
It's very difficult to dislike Jensen Ackles.
He can sing, dance, and the best hero in the Boys
Jensen Ackles really would've been amazing as Marc Spector/Moon Knight in the MCU.
Would have been interesting to see Ackle's range. I haven't seen him in roles that aren't a tough guy. But he might have been able to pul lsteven too
I got to say L take on Captain America, he's not a fascist symbol as you claim in the video, Patriotism doesn't equate to Fascist. We can look at Civil War as used in the B roll as an example, he was against the sokovia accords registering superheroes into the government and which is a pro-small government approach akin to a private militia. Captain America stories set in modern day often expore how Americas very morals and government can allow for dangerous organizations like hydra infultrate and grow as seen in Winter Soldier. Then there's Iron-Man. He feels guilt about creating ultron and his arms dealing past and so agrees with the accords for a sense of redemption. Do I think Tony is a fascist for supporting a larger government? No, because he refused to allow the government to use his technology, unlike some zucker we know of. If Cap isn't a fascist but a patriot and Tony isn't a fascist what is he? Well, he's an alcoholic.
@@S0n0fCh4d ok so I never speak about patriotism because patriotism and fascism are too completely separate qualities. In fact there can be fascism without patriotism
So what did I say in the video
"Captain America is the Ubermensch". Inadvertently he becomes the super soldier, the superior being. This is a common archetype across all fascist regimes. The nazis had the idea of the super soldier, the Italians had it (though for them it was a cyborg). What qualities Steve Rogers for now possesses is irrelevant. He is the super soldier, a fascist symbol. America created him with less than good intentions in mind. The Nazis had a super soldier too, the red skull. Here the movie kinda drops the ball because it compares them and says, no it's good if we have a super soldier, because we are the good guys... Which no. Everyone is always the good guys and the enemy is evil.
Captain America as a super soldier idea is inherently a fascist ideal. And without Steve Rogers behind the mask, we see the break down of this role in the subsequent TV show
So now let's talk about Steve Rogers (specifically the MCU representation because I am not going to read comics). Indeed throughout his stories we can see the dangers of corruption of government. But the sokovia accords is not about being pro-small governments. It's about responsibility. Who do the avengers answer to? In a real world, you cannot be above the law and government. Unlike in Watchmen, the government chooses not to ban vigilantes as it deems them useful. But they cannot allow them to enter foreign territories and do anything they want because of "heroism". So an agreement is met. Superheroes are above local authority, but not above human law and processes and must therefore answer to the un, like any nation, like any person. Denying human accountability is arrogant beyond recognition.
And if we assume captain America stands for the American people and ideals, then him viewing his wishes and choices as above the wishes and choices of the UN (not just any organisation, the United Nations), implies that captain America puts US above the world. And throughout his movies we see that happen a lot. This is inflated patriotism that now transitions into fascist views
@FaustifyReal I would have to disagree still, based on the ubermensch argument that would make any hero who has beliefs to fight for their country or planet by your logic all fascists which I believe is a flawed perspective. There is no such thing as international law but rather international agreements. But is there truly nothing above law and order?
I can think of multiple things above law such as God's, bureaucrats such as the law makers, and appointed judges. Law is only as good as it is written and as bad as it is interpreted. I disagree with the UN on principle. They don't represent everyday people but rather an oligarchy of control, and that's what cap said no too. I do think it's a shame you won't read the comics but I do find it odd when the question of who keeps the Avengers in check, often in the comics it's other teams and organizations like X-men or shield or even inter-team relationships that keep them in check. Going into DC, this very question is asked in the Justice League cartoons as the government is concerned with the watchtower orbiting the earth. They had a very great answer to that question, public trust. The public doesn't like them they disband because it's the right thing to do. Contrast that to government, they often don't back down power because of public outrage but rather control the public to become favorable. Thus, governments grow easily and shrink reluctantly. So may I ask, who keeps the UN in check?
Patriotism, it's a word may people misconceptionalised a necessity to Fascism, a precursor. Patriotism is just the support of what x country stands for. Fascism is the bastarization of patriotism, a glorified system of governance that merges state and corporate to further extend the arm of government. I would agree that soldier boy is a byproduct of a fascist system as vaught and government work closely together, in this context I would agree with your arguments of Ubermensch, as the seven are a indirect extention of government. I would say the same with Invincible's Universe with the Guardians of the Globe having read the comic and also not wanting to spoil it for you. There's a good storyline between Cecil and Mark. I think it will be in season 3.
Back to cap, I call him a patriot, and you call him a fascist. This is what makes America different from other countries, the constitution. Some argue it's an outdated old paper, others the greatest document rivaled by the Bible. The beauty of it? We can question it and not be prosecuted for speaking out against it. No other country has that. It allows communication and disagreements such as this and protects the debaters even if they are wrong. That's what Cap is standing for when he doesn't sign, and if he did, I would agree with you, but in the end, that's not what the fundamentals America is and therefore Cap is not a fascist.
@@S0n0fCh4d yeah fundamentally a lot of superheroes are the Ubermensch. Of course that person was described by Nietzsche without any fascist connotations, but has nowadays been usurped by such ideologies (largely thanks to Nietzsche's relatives).
Anyways - yes all superheroes represent the Ubermensch. Captain America specifically presents the fascist dream of the perfect super soldier that can conquer through sheer might anything. This is irregardless of who is behind the mask - steve Rogers, Bucky, etc. superheroes, removed from the narrative and suspension of disbelief are a dangerous symbol to have in reality, because no one's views and morals are perfect. This is what zemo comments. And desire for such creatures (super humans) is inherently a supremacist ideology.
@FaustifyReal I would recommend looking up the "I dont like bullies" and "Why Me" scenes from Captain America, the first Avenger. Steve is chosen because of his persistent will to stop bullies. He doesn't want to kill anyone. He makes a promise to Dr. Erskine not to become a perfect soldier but a good man. A good man is the closest we can get to these superheroes, I don't believe good men are dangerous.
And yes, I would agree to remove narrative, and the suspension of disbelief is dangerous, and I call them politicians. Two-face is a very real villain. Most people see one side or the other, Politicians are the real-world ubermensches they hold the power of the pen they can write into laws and agreements to suppress and kill for no reason other than a perceived threat to power. I would argue that Amanda Waller is a closer fit to fascist than any compassionate superhero or aspiring good men such as Captain America. And lol, you dehumanized them to creatures? Good men are creatures? You would fit right on in with an X-Men Anti-Mutant politician with that rhetoric. But in all seriousness, it's a good conversation even though we disagree.
Soldier boy, while the entirety of his persona has been fabricated like all the others, does not have the mental fragility of homelander. That's why I like him more.
He is definitely a strong supe, and can easily walk in and control all the other supes along with his superior son with just his presence and actions. Not the case with the other supes
I haven’t wanted the video, I just came to answer the title’s question. People love Soldier Boy because he’s played by Jensen Ackled who, in addition to being fine as all get out, is the most charismatic actor in Hollywood right now.
@@nomad6205 it's fine if you haven't wanted the video. You don't need to keep it
@@FaustifyReal *watched. I hadn’t watched it, yet. But thank you for correcting my atrocious grammar.
Honestly, I really wanted him to be Marc Spector/Moon Knight in the MCU.
Soldier Boy is my favorite "Supe" in the show, because he is a parody of my favorite Marvel Hero, Captain America. I love that Soldier Boy is a mockery of what Cap would have actually been like, and that he was given the Winter Soldier treatment, being messed with my a foreign power.
Grandpa is better than father
It's that simple
He was friends with Bill Cosby in the 70's&80's clearly it's M.M."s version of the story that doesn't make sense.
Not too mention the whole thing with Black Noire being soo delusional to think that he was going to be in Beverly Hills Cop and somehow soldier boy stopped the production from choosing him and taking Charlie's brother Eddie.
Not too mention that chick from the CIA clearly used to bang soldier boy plenty back in the day and storm front to.
So definitely not racist but other people in the show are lying and also crazy AF
Real
Halo Effect + Stockholm Syndrome + Cool Powers, Personality and Mindset
He’s right about a lot of things
Because he's a good bad guy. He doesn't follow modern-day social constructs, and has came to terms with what Homelander is still struggling with. He is a soldier on a mission. He is stronger and is literally a walking nuke.
Well, I wrote this comment before the video played. I guess it was a good summary.
20:18 Exactly!! I've said these exact same facts, but people still don't get it.
He is a great character, but he isn't a well written character due to the things they tell us about him but never show us.
Nice video, keep up!
Obviously cuz Dean Winchester is adorable
Yeah he is racist and sexist but he can be reasoned with and can adjust to society at large and doesn't want to kill random civilians just because its fun
Bro didn't watch the show
20:18 thanks for quoting me verbatim
You have to think. The first version of compound V made Soldier Boy. The first version.
Just to get someone just as strong they needed his dna then genetic modification to make someone stronger.
Honestly, it worked so well because of Jensen Ackles! Had it been anyone with less charisma it wouldn't have worked. He nailed that role!
Amazon SB isnt even a villian.
Hes just a likable prick.
Supernatural. Is why we love him. I think we more-so love Jensen Ackles.
@@Davinn idk I haven't watched supernatural, so many like him without that :3
He looks like Eddie and the Cruisers 😂..I'm the only one who gets it🤷
So when you watch “Superman vs the elite” or read the comic it’s based on do you side with the elite? Because entire captain America’s section makes me think you would unironically cheer during the “ It's funny, isn't it? A life of truth, justice and the American, military, capitalist way. In the end, you die on the moon, wondering if your bowels will let go.” Scene.
I have never watched it, so I don't know the context. A story has a moment of suspension of disbelief or certain backstory that can influence a point.
With Captain, we see that their actions have severe consequences for others. It is not necessary that they be accountable to the UN (which is the highest international authority everyone SHOULD be accountable to), but at least to someone
@ I’d recommend the movie it’s pretty good.
He's not really a villain though. He's a severely flawed man who was allowed to get his way because he was a supe. And throughout the season, you can see him coming to the realization that his entire existence was a lie. Everything he's done, everything he was...didn't matter. In the end, they just replaced him and forgot about him. If anything, Butcher turned out to be more a villain in the end. Soldier Boy might have been an asshole, but he stayed true to his word. And he might have killed MM's grandfather, but he didn't do it on purpose. He did it the same way all other supes kill innocents: by not being mindful of their surrounding.
This is basically the whole Negan debate again, because Negan wasn't the villain. The circumstances are different, but neither of these two did villainous things, compared to what others around them did. The "heroes" in both these cases ended up doing much worse than the so called villain.
@@ToadimusPrime yeah he is definitely not a villain. It's a bit of clickbaity title on my end. But he is an antagonist (and he is a bit of a less than good characters). I think the show runners had the intention of him being one of the bad guys and create this western-style standoff between three different parties (butcher, homelander, soldier boy).
@FaustifyReal He's no way in hell a good guy, and they did well in making him an antagonist. But when you compare him and Homelander, it's really easy to see which one of them is actually a villain.
This video comes across more anti America and less anti soldier boy
The boys is incredibly critical of America - its culture, values, history, etc
And the video was never anti soldier boy. I love him as a character as stated multiple times. I just point out his flaws, the subtle characteristics , and what he stands for and explain how despite his flaws he remains he so liked
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@@scolveldynasty thanks for pointing out, my dyslexic ass cannot read
I disagree we like Soldier Boy because of Jensen Ackles performance more than the writing. The character is well written but so are a lot of other characters.
What down fall? It's still epic!
Solid character
He's charismatic just not in the traditional sense
Jensen Ackles. Plain & simple
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Can I answer this?
He's played by Jenson Ackles. Jenson can be as bad as he wants cause we likes it 🥵
@@bethanywallace8575 Ma'am? Focus on uni not horny posting in my comment section
@@FaustifyReal 🤨
Actually some instances that shows Soldier Boy is racist can be listed off in several instances.
1) When M.M confronts him during Herogasm and makes it clear that Soldier Boy ruined his family and Soldier Boy replied with “Which one?”, which going back to the newspapers that M.M had used to keep track of Soldier Boy suggests that he’s never cared to remember because the casualties were definitely always people of color.
2) The fact that he says in Herogasm that he founded alongside/hooked up with Liberty aka Stormfront
3) Also the fact that he looked around the room when stepping out of that pod and saw 2 white dudes with 3 people of color, instantly went for attacking the French guy without asking a single question when Frenchie simply said in ENGLISH that Soldier Boy was okay.
4) In the animated sequence of how Black Noir remembers his trauma with Soldier Boy, he blatantly sabotaged Black Noir’s chance of being cast in his dream role, beats him senseless, and used the words “Move on up” with a sterotypical head motion. “Move on up” is a reference to the comedy show “The Jeffersons”, which is literally about a black couple that became wealthy and how they struggle to adjust to their lifestyle.
So yeah, he’s absolutely racist and the other characters have every right to say that he is indeed a racist.
2) I don't think him hooking up with sotrmfront makes him racist by association. He might have not known (as this was a very well kept secret) and, tbf, he strikes me as the type of person who would **mate** everything that walks. He remembers her just for he ass. And with that one line we can interpret immediately - he is misogynistic. All the other flaws that he possess - weak character, false stoicism, daddy issues, misogynism, entitlement, poor understanding of the world around him, etc - are shown much better, even without having an explicit line/scene about them, unlike his racist views.
3) Frenchie is a person of colour??? He is born in southern France, canonically. He looks just like any other french person I have ever met (or any European that is not Scandinavian for that matter)? There is nothing to suggest he is a person of colour ever in the series? I think he goes towards Frenchie... because he had his gun out at that moment.
4) that could be. I am not familiar with the "stereotypical head motion" you describe. But the scene isn't about the colour of Noir's skin. It's about the fact that noone else can be anything but his underling. Crimson countess herself began pursuing her musical career after Ben was dead. I think that scene is about soldier boy's overinflated ego of himself, where he would drag anyone else down just so he can alone be at the limelight. Noir challenged this by applying for a role on a big TV show. This risked there being another good solo actor apart from him. The twins do play in a movie, but that one is a Payback movie, so probably everyone else stared In it too (we know the countess starred in it because she is mentioned by the soviet soldier). It's not about him being racist towards noir (which he could be). It's about him not wanting anyone else to steal the spotlight
1) about 1, I need to look at the episodes again to find the scene and pause to read the articles.
But without a doubt - Soldier Boy IS supposed to be racist. I am not arguing against it. The writes make this explicit... But they don't show it properly. Granted, there isn't much opportunity to show it, sure. But then the point still remains. It's nothing shown to us, but told, unlike everything else we get to see about his character
@@FaustifyReal It doesn't help that he called Bill Cosby "America's dad", that line alone made me think "oh, maybe he isn't racist"
@@Chair991 That's true but Bill Cosby has always been a "safe black". He grew to popularity because he really doubled down on his role as this almost neutered non-threating black man. And, I mean, makes sense why he worked for such a character - I don't think he would have been successful otherwise in that society. He was the safe token character and probably was the same idea in Soldier Boy's mind.
@@FaustifyReal Fair enough, I’m a person of color and he’s definitely one of my favorite characters from the show lol. With the Frenchie thing, I kinda think of Frenchie as a poc because nationality wise his character is French, but his actor is an Israeli Arab and I honestly assumed he was likely a French Arab. In my personal experience like him hooking up with Stormfront in my mind was a moment to joke of “Like father, like son” but at the same time like it’s still a red flag in my book if he hooked up with Liberty when she was literally known for targeting people of color in the forties and fifties. Also with his upbringing like it was extremely common for there to be a prejudiced point of view emphasized among the wealthy class at that time but I wouldn’t doubt it if he probably dropped any aggressive behaviors. So from my own personal standpoint, I don’t think he’s like an aggressive racist but some of the other things he’s said and done give me that impression and my comment is just my personal view from when I watched the show over. Btw I’m sorry that this reply is like days late lol but, it’s good to kinda like discuss it. Cause I think your take in that was interesting and had a good point that they can’t really say over and over that he’s a racist if they didn’t drop more about how he is one. Like with Stormfront, Homelander, Ashley, and the Vought films director those characters are racist all across the board in more performative and malicious ways. But with Soldier Boy to me it was more like “Okay…you’re more lowkey about it, got it.”
I honestly enjoyed the majority of the video up until you said that the reason why soldier boy is still like despite the fact that he is a horrendous character according to you, That the only reason people must like him is because of general illiteracy? Honestly I feel like your Genuinely saying in the nicest Way possible is that the people that like him are stupid.
Dude , I don't know about you , but it's just a character from a show. Personally.
I don't care for the boy's comic but I thought the show Was phenomenal. As far as the character as soldier boy goes, I enjoy and like the character because he is such a crude parody of a bygone era. And he's played very well by Janssen Ackles.
I said some people. I think there is definitely such a possibility (and read some fo the comments to see proof). But no - I think most of it is NOT due to media illiteracy. I LIKE HIM... as I said multiple times through the video. 2 sentences away from the point you commented about I literally explain the same thing
The last season was decent enough (with some great moments) but then people realised the show was taking the piss out of them, not lifting them up so they down voted it 😂
I think that's a really bad take people have. It's the equivalent of how people say that fans hate star wars the new trilogy just because they are racist/trolls/etc, when the new trilogy had terrible writing and the only good parts were straight up 1:1 copy of star wars a new hope.
I don't think the new season in any point satirises any of the views I hold. I am not even American to relate to many of the problems it describes. That aside, I think the show has genuinely worse writing and began relaying a lot more on shock value rather than good story telling. I think the political messages, which before were well written and somewhat nuanced (as seen in this video), have become obviously spelled out for people to understand and really surface level.
I don't want to write an entire essay here. One day, when the next season comes out, I might make a video on all the show together as I find it's downfall really interesting. Until then, yeah - season 4 was worse than season 3 objectively by a great margin. It is not the worst show ever. It is still decent, but it had a drop in quality, which is what people dislike. And through reviews and commentary, we can provide feedback to creators, so they hopefully continue to produce their best work.
Boiling negative criticism to just the meme of "they are making fun of you and now you get it" is... A really shallow thought process that gets you nowhere
Yeah one sided hackery that pokes fun at the cartoon character hysterical image weak people gave in their heads about their political opponents. Man child Seth Rogen concocts in his zealot brain. Heh heh heh
@@FaustifyReal I don't disagree, for the most part. But my suggestion at the very least contributed to the down votes. It became a lot more obvious in its lampooning this series (for good or ill I've not decided) and as I say, some parts were good, others OK. It felt a little 'filler' in places but not nearly ad bad as some of the reviews were making out. There's a lot of 'evidence' (true, on twitter... 😏) that people realised they weren't being held up as the heroes, but your points are equally valid 👍
I also don't live in America, for what it's worth. I enjoyed the season, mostly, but yeah I think you make valid points as well.
@@StuartHeading it's true that it had decent moments. It is still an ok show. But people are about acceleration. If a show is always of this quality it would get 6 or 7. But if a show that previously consistently had above 8 suddenly drops to this, it will get heavily criticized, because of the drastic change
The whole Soldier boy season was pointless and a waste of time. Just like this character. End of story.